Inside Story - Amnesty criticises Israel -06 June 07- Part 1

[Isaiah122]

(Joel 3:1-3)

1 "For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land.

[Isaiah122]

The name Palestine was introduced by Rome as a result of the Jewish revolts of 70AD and 135AD. Well over a million Jews were killed during these revolts and the rest were sold into slavery or dispersed throughout the world. God gave the land eternally to the Jews and as He promised brought them back into the land. He also promised to Judge the nations for dividing the land

[Isaiah122]

(Genesis 17:19)

19 Then God said: "No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him

[Isaiah122]

All the land in Israel belongs to the Jews. First, there is no Palestine or Palestinians! The land was originally called Canaan and it was controlled by several groups. The Canaanites, Amorites, Girgashites, Hittites, Kenites, Raphaites and Jebusites all lived in Canaan until God gave it to Abraham. The Lord God made an everlasting Covenant with Abraham that through Isaac (not Ishmael) all the land would be the Jews for ever.

[whoami2b]

Aaron Klein is completely avoiding the question. Why is it that Israel is building the wall across Palestinian land? The answer is colonialism pure and simple.

[Eliezer18]

Israel is NOT so-called "Palestinian" land. Judea Sumeria is Jewish land.

[vksharma20]

Truth hurts sometime, doesn't it?

Sorry for bursting your baloon of lies and propaganda.

If you are going to post bullshit at least try to prove it. Otherwise go crawl back under the rock you came out of.

[Vierotchka]

I wouldn't know, you're the expert here through your own experience.

Neither lies nor propaganda, nor bullshit - the fact that you're resorting to ad hominems proves that you've lost the debate and know it, and are a sore loser.

[vksharma20]

It seems I've offended you. I'm sorry, hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it.

In whole debate you contributed nothing except mischievous equating of Gaza with Warsaw Ghetto. By what parameters, you don't know. And constant repetition of your so-called "family history".

And how can I forget your most erudite comment "bollocks". This is as far you came intellectually.

You should make your victory claims in front of your classmates in school.

[Vierotchka]

I couldn't give a flea's fart where you come from. On the other hand, I have lost numerous relatives in the Holocaust and in the Warsaw Ghetto, and my mother having been a translator at the Nuremberg Trials, I am deeply and well versed in the Nazi atrocities against my people and in what happened in the Warsaw Guetto.

[Vierotchka]

Therefore I have not committed any logical fallacies and am in a position to find many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza & the West bank, your hubristic and presumptuous little delusions notwithstanding, vksharma20.

[vksharma20]

But still you are unable to tell how you are comparing Gaza with Warsaw Ghetto.

[vksharma20]

Why are you repeating yourself? I have no interest in your concocted family history.

And tell your "deeply and well versed" thing so someone who gives a sh*t.

[Vierotchka]

It is not a "feeble attepmt of equating Gaza and WB with Warsaw Ghetto", it is my honest impression. Your defense nof and attempts justify Zionism, on the other hand, contributes to war and hatred. By the way, I am a Jew and my mother was one of the translators and interpreters at the Nuremberg trials, so you have naught to teach me.

[vksharma20]

Some Italian Jews supported Mussolini in early 30s does not prove Fascism right. Normal Finkelstein's parents were holocaust survivor, does it mean that we have to endorse his holocaust minimising views? You and I could be right or wrong on the merit of our arguments without requiring any explanation and it has nothing to do with your being Jew or my being Indian. This "argument by ethnic-admission" is both logically and empirically fallacious.

[Vierotchka]

Strawman fallacy at best.

[Vierotchka]

Gaza and the West Bank remind me of the Warsaw Ghetto.

[vksharma20]

Your feeble attempt of equating Gaza and WB with Warsaw Ghetto is ignorant at best and outright bigotry at worst.

This name-calling : "Ghetto", "Nazis," "Holocaust," "apartheid", turns a complicated issue into simple-minded sloganeering. It dumbs down the debate. It drowns out the nuanced constructive criticism of particular Israeli & Palestinian policies. And it discourages peace efforts.

[vksharma20]

Thanks Aaron Kline for exposing the lies and half-truths of AI.

[Vierotchka]

Amnesty International does not indulge in lies or half-truths, and it does excellent work. One day, AI will work to help you.

[vksharma20]

Aaron Kline exposed one lie of AI that settlements caused the barrier.

It is hard to take Amnesty Irrational seriously when it refuse to consider Hezbullah as army and describe Hezb causality as civilian casualty.

AI like UN is obsessed with Israel and excluding the real violators (China, Congo etc) and too busy creating moral equivalence between deliberate targeting of civilians and accidental killing of civilian in self-defence. In 2002-3, AI produced 52 reports on Sudan, 192 on Israel.

[Vierotchka]

Hezbollah, whose methods I don't approve, was created for the purpose of chasing Israel out of its illegal and murderous occupation of South Lebanon. Israel constantly deliberately targets civilians, it kills 40 Palestinian children for every Jewish child killed by Palestinians.

[vksharma20]

Hizbullah was created to establish Islamic Government in Lebanon, take control of Shias from Amal, fight against Western & Israeli forces, & beat Druze militia. So you can stop pretending as if Hizbhullah was created solely for "chasing out Israel".

Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000, and Hizb still attacked Israel unprovoked in 2006. Hizb clearly states that they want to destroy Israel and AI (the org I support and contribute) is using its credibility to justify Hizb's actions.

[Vierotchka]

I love your freudian slips! LOL! Causality, LOL!

[tkndo1]

PROPAGANDA !!

[alphautubeone]

+, SLAUGHTER`ING pALESTINIANS AT A RATIO OF 8:1 AND THEN CLAIMINg YOU ARE THE VICTIm OF TERRORISM^ AND ANTISEMITISM IS SIMPLY LAUGHABLE BY ANY RATiONAL, LOGIc, RELIGiON OR CREeD. NO EXCUSe IS CREDiBLE FOR THESE LEVELS OF TERRORISM. NOT EVEN THE JEWISH HOLY TORAH ALLOWS KILLING BEYOND AN EYE FOR AN EYE!

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