The plug and the outlet exercise is so incredibly demeaning and hurtful towards gay people. It takes love and commitment to create a marriage and family. Not opposite parts.
It was around in ancient times too, doesnt mean it was right. Gods moral law NEVER changes. Not today, not tomorrow, not a thousand years from now. Just sayin.
HI Starbound, thank you for the kind way you responded. I hear people say all the time, I am born gay and so God made me gay. Truth is, we are all born "sinners" and need to be "born again". No one is born "perfect." Little children are born telling lies, being selfish, hitting other kids, but you don't encourage them to remain liars or selfish.
Jasonlaw: "Marriage is a legal invention by man."
Tom Brown: "I am so glad you said that because you proved my point: the gay activist do not really believe in the sanctity of marriage--that God is the one who joins together"
This point wasn't presented clearly or effectively- instead of rationally highlighting both sides of the issue, you got the audience emotionally involved with questionable jokes, yelling a lot, and promoting an air of superiority!!
You're shameful. The way you present your arguments is sensationalistic. Lot's of waving your arms around and raising your voice (which does nothing to further your case- rather, it makes you look ridiculous and hateful). You're jeeringly spiteful of the opposition (quote: "I say you're a monkey. No, better than that I say you're a jackass! That's closer than what the judge pronounced!") and present their arguments in a cynical, mocking manner.
Furthermore, read your history books for ancient civilizations. Homosexuality has always been around just like theology. The bible is a great book. But so isn't Harry Potter. I don't believe I can go to Hogwarts...the same way I don't believe that the earth I stand on was put here by a "God."
Same sex marriage is not absurd. It's called modernity. This is the year 2010. As homosexuality has become accepted in today's society it is only natural to give equal rights. If you want to maintain your beliefs in religion and practice that...that's fine. But you cannot push your views onto those that wish to live their lives with the rights they should be granted. Theology is just another form of historical fiction. Its interpretation is all in the eye of the documentee.
and cannot tell the church or Christians anything especially on what or how to believe or who to believe in, this country was founded on God's word and you as an attorney should know that already but like I said before people would rather believe lies and ignorance over the truth and the truth being that God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!!
Just because you got you degree in law for 2 countries does not make you and expert on human knowledge or human relations if you wanted to be an expert on that you should have taken a different course!! The only thing I can tell you is that there is no course on this earth that you can take to make you an expert on what you think you know and try to back up with the law, the separation between church and state was established so that the government could not get involved in what the church does.
I know you are going to keep coming back at me with all these scenarios trying to prove your point or theory however, you have to understand that in the end we are all accountable for our lives, how we live it, how we treat others and what we say to people and for what we believe. You said that it is natural for animals to pair with the same sex for sex but WE are not animals we are a species called HUMANS and it is unnatural for HUMANS to pair up with the same sex!! Did you get it now?
I have my pastor's back although he doesn't need it, I will continue to defend him and stand by his teachings the same way I defend God/Jesus Christ to all men!! I love Jesus Christ and God the Father and because I know God's Word I stand it, believe in it and will testify to it for all ETERNITY!!!
I have 2 advantages that give me a more objective point of view.
1. I am a lawyer, I understand laws change
2. Although born & raised in US I lived 7yrs in Spain, studied law and became lawyer in Spain and US. This allowed me to see that religion, law & language are cultural and historical products. People born to Arab parents speak Arabic and believe in Mohamed, people born in US speak Engli and believe in Christ, in China...Religion & law are cultural & historical not objective like Physics.
Kamal Ataturk the Turkish leader of Erzerum Turkey believe it or not only allowed the Christian faith and not the Muslim faith Jason I am half Turkish and the Turks are Muslim as well and I chose the Christian faith over the Muslim faith, there are other countries my friend that have allowed Christianity to be the majority but only in certain areas of these countries. I cannot believe that you actually think that people came from animals and that we act on animal instinct!!!
Homosexuality not natural and was never intended to be, this way of life is not what God approves of and never will I don't care for the lesbian/homosexual lifestyle but I do care about the people who have this lifestyle!! Why is it that you all are mad at us for telling the truth but you refuse to believe it. Man did not come first God did and we are supposed to follow his example and instruction on how to live our lives that is why he gave us the Bible his infallible Word!! God is infallible!
Fact: Sexual activity and pairing between animals of the same sex IS found in nature, therefore natural. Videos on youtube are evidence. In the end, God is not "saying" anything. These are men who say that they have the authority to speak 4 God. Which man you believe speaks 4 God or is a prophet is a matter of your particular cultural history. That's why religion must be separate from the State. If you want a Biblical marriage that is your right, but you cant force others to believe in that too.
That is perverted in itself I am glad for your achievements of becoming a lawyer for 2 countries my hat's off to you however, you knowledge does not make you and expert on human relations period. Everyone who has the life style that says that they are homosexuals and lesbians and say that they believe in God most certainly do not because if they did they would know for a fact that their life style is wrong!!!
Everything I know and believe comes from my relationship with Christ and belief in God the father not some secularism that a lot of people believe, my heritage did not hold on to me to make me believe there way. I believe in God creator of heaven and earth and in His son Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible is my life line that I live by, I am not perfect and I still make mistakes but my faith and belief stand solid!! I will continue to believe my pastor over ignorance any day!!
"Marriage" like money, is not a "real thing". Money is just a piece of paper. It only has value b/c society has chosen to give it that value. Marriage is the same way. These are part of the "social construction of reality". What exists in nature is pairing. Marriage is a man made "idea" you can't see it or touch it it's not "real". It is something we have made up. Therefore, it can change. Do any other animals get married ? Animals pair off but not marry ! Marriage is a legal invention by man.
I am so glad you said that because you proved my point: the gay activist do not really believe in the sanctity of marriage--that God is the one who joins together (Matt 19).
This is America, not a theocracy. When the Government marries people it is not sanctioning a Biblical marriage but a Civil marriage. Gay marriage is a Civil Rights issue not a religious one.
I don't believe in civil marriage just like to do not believe in common law marriage and if you read all the comments Pastor Tom Brown has put on here, he is clearly right and answers all of your questions with the truth. Way to go Pastor Brown!!
He is not right b/c whether you "believe in it" or not when two people marry down at the county they do so under State law which is either a statute passed by the legislature or precedent by judiciary NOT by Biblical law under Matt.19. Public officials do not operate under Biblical law in this country like in Iran where the Koran is the law. We have a separation of church and state. So they are married b/c they have the same legal and CIVIL RIGHTS (property, insurance, inheritance etc.).
Jason you also have to remember that in the BEGINNING there was NO CIVIL RIGHTS, NO STATE LAW OR LEGISLATURE OR JUDICIARY ANY THING BECAUSE GOD WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS AROUND TO MARRY ANYONE AND THAT IS WHAT HE DID WHEN HE MADE ADAM AND EVE!!! GET IT? GOT IT? GOOD!!! EVERYONE HAS TAKEN THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE OUT OF CONTEXT FOR GENERATIONS AND THAT IS WHERE IGNORANCE FALLS INTO PLACE. EVERYONE ONE WOULD RATHER LISTEN TO WHAT THE WORLD SAYS OVER WHAT GOD SAYS!!!
Correct. In primitive ancient times there was no separation btwn Church/State. All laws were religious i.e., the 10 commands. Now, the Mormons believe BOM is the word of God, the Muslims believe the Koran is, the Jews believe the OT but not the NT, the Episc interpret different from Catho, the Buddhist believe in Buddha, the Hindus in their Gods Who is right ? Everyone "thinks" they are. Separation Church/State is only way to guarantee freedom of religion. Laws from legislature not from Bible.
You have to remember that most of the Religions are man made religions Christianity is not a man made religion, we have a personal one on one RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ, when he came down he came as the son of God not some religion and there for CHRISTIANITY means to be Christ like!!! I come from the Jewish, Catholic and Muslim heritage and I am a born again Believer/Christian.
@TomBrownMinistries But what you're ignoring is the fact that marriage is a human idea. It's a declaration of love and the need to spend the rest of ones life with another person. I believe it is TWO PEOPLE (not defined by gender) pledging their life to one another; agreeing to hold each other up if ever one should fall. God made me perfect just the way I am (gay, straight, transgender) and I should be able to be united heart and soul with whomever I choose by (the HUMAN creation) marriage
How interesting that you compare marriage between a man and woman with animals, marriage is and has been ordained for men and women only and it was ordained by God Himself!!
2. When the state marries somebody in the US it is not being ordained by God but by the state. In case you did not know we have a separation of Church and State here in the USA. Freedom of religion.
Natural law is referred to by Paul in Romans 2 where he mentions homosexuals leaving the "natural" use of the opposite gender. Thus Natural Law is the principle or body of laws derived from nature and is binding on all peoples. It was the use of natural law that convinced countries to get rid of slavery. Natural law clearly means that male and female were meant to marry and procreate, and no "civil" law could overrule the basis of "natural" law.
"Marriage" like money, is not a "real thing". Money is just a piece of paper. It only has value b/c society has chosen to give paper value. Marriage is the same way. These are part of the SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION OF REALITY. What exists in nature is pairs. Marriage is a man made "idea" you can't see or touch it b/c it not "real" nor physical. It is smthing we have made up. Therefore, it can change. Do any other animals get married ? Animals pair off not marry ! Marriage is a LEGAL invention by man.
This is asinine. There is a difference between civil marriage and a church marriage. Two men and two women can very easily have a civil marriage. They can obtain all the rights and benefits that civil marriage grants. When gay men and women fight for marriage, they are fighting for the rights and benefits under the law.
Now, how you want to look at a 'church marriage' is up to you and your God. If two men cannot be married according to your God, and the way you interpret your bible, so be it.
He's comparing our judiciary to nazi (who killed millions)? That's extreme and way overboard.
Perhaps there are no marriages between people of the same sex in his intolerant church, but to claim that there are no civil marriages elsewhere is simply untrue.
Of course he's making a profit selling this hate in the form of his book though - he didn't forget to plug it in his video.
The plug and the outlet exercise is so incredibly demeaning and hurtful towards gay people. It takes love and commitment to create a marriage and family. Not opposite parts.
xxbrokenwishesxx 3 months ago
@xxbrokenwishesxx
yea but the "opposite parts" are a big help when it comes to the family part you mentioned in your comment...
konnerization 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
Satan at his finest.
smurfboywv 4 months ago 3
we all are apes, an evolved kind of apes, but apes anyway.
karl25671 5 months ago 2
@karl25671 God created man and woman.
smurfboywv 4 months ago
@nhemt
It was around in ancient times too, doesnt mean it was right. Gods moral law NEVER changes. Not today, not tomorrow, not a thousand years from now. Just sayin.
konnerization 9 months ago
HI Starbound, thank you for the kind way you responded. I hear people say all the time, I am born gay and so God made me gay. Truth is, we are all born "sinners" and need to be "born again". No one is born "perfect." Little children are born telling lies, being selfish, hitting other kids, but you don't encourage them to remain liars or selfish.
TomBrownMinistries 11 months ago
The fact that you are not ashamed of the hate and intolerance you promote only confirms your ignorance.
chrislouden 1 year ago 4
Jasonlaw: "Marriage is a legal invention by man."
Tom Brown: "I am so glad you said that because you proved my point: the gay activist do not really believe in the sanctity of marriage--that God is the one who joins together"
This point wasn't presented clearly or effectively- instead of rationally highlighting both sides of the issue, you got the audience emotionally involved with questionable jokes, yelling a lot, and promoting an air of superiority!!
jbgoogl 1 year ago
Mr.Brown
You're shameful. The way you present your arguments is sensationalistic. Lot's of waving your arms around and raising your voice (which does nothing to further your case- rather, it makes you look ridiculous and hateful). You're jeeringly spiteful of the opposition (quote: "I say you're a monkey. No, better than that I say you're a jackass! That's closer than what the judge pronounced!") and present their arguments in a cynical, mocking manner.
jbgoogl 1 year ago
@jbgoogl What matters is the word and the word of God is clear.
DarkCode 9 months ago
the happiness in marriage is REALLY good sex. To bad most men don't know how to make women orgasm...
maybeilljoincia 1 year ago
Furthermore, read your history books for ancient civilizations. Homosexuality has always been around just like theology. The bible is a great book. But so isn't Harry Potter. I don't believe I can go to Hogwarts...the same way I don't believe that the earth I stand on was put here by a "God."
nhemt 1 year ago
Same sex marriage is not absurd. It's called modernity. This is the year 2010. As homosexuality has become accepted in today's society it is only natural to give equal rights. If you want to maintain your beliefs in religion and practice that...that's fine. But you cannot push your views onto those that wish to live their lives with the rights they should be granted. Theology is just another form of historical fiction. Its interpretation is all in the eye of the documentee.
nhemt 1 year ago
and cannot tell the church or Christians anything especially on what or how to believe or who to believe in, this country was founded on God's word and you as an attorney should know that already but like I said before people would rather believe lies and ignorance over the truth and the truth being that God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!!
baharheart 2 years ago
Just because you got you degree in law for 2 countries does not make you and expert on human knowledge or human relations if you wanted to be an expert on that you should have taken a different course!! The only thing I can tell you is that there is no course on this earth that you can take to make you an expert on what you think you know and try to back up with the law, the separation between church and state was established so that the government could not get involved in what the church does.
baharheart 2 years ago
I know you are going to keep coming back at me with all these scenarios trying to prove your point or theory however, you have to understand that in the end we are all accountable for our lives, how we live it, how we treat others and what we say to people and for what we believe. You said that it is natural for animals to pair with the same sex for sex but WE are not animals we are a species called HUMANS and it is unnatural for HUMANS to pair up with the same sex!! Did you get it now?
baharheart 2 years ago
I have my pastor's back although he doesn't need it, I will continue to defend him and stand by his teachings the same way I defend God/Jesus Christ to all men!! I love Jesus Christ and God the Father and because I know God's Word I stand it, believe in it and will testify to it for all ETERNITY!!!
baharheart 2 years ago
I have 2 advantages that give me a more objective point of view.
1. I am a lawyer, I understand laws change
2. Although born & raised in US I lived 7yrs in Spain, studied law and became lawyer in Spain and US. This allowed me to see that religion, law & language are cultural and historical products. People born to Arab parents speak Arabic and believe in Mohamed, people born in US speak Engli and believe in Christ, in China...Religion & law are cultural & historical not objective like Physics.
jasonlawmadrid 2 years ago
Kamal Ataturk the Turkish leader of Erzerum Turkey believe it or not only allowed the Christian faith and not the Muslim faith Jason I am half Turkish and the Turks are Muslim as well and I chose the Christian faith over the Muslim faith, there are other countries my friend that have allowed Christianity to be the majority but only in certain areas of these countries. I cannot believe that you actually think that people came from animals and that we act on animal instinct!!!
baharheart 2 years ago
Homosexuality not natural and was never intended to be, this way of life is not what God approves of and never will I don't care for the lesbian/homosexual lifestyle but I do care about the people who have this lifestyle!! Why is it that you all are mad at us for telling the truth but you refuse to believe it. Man did not come first God did and we are supposed to follow his example and instruction on how to live our lives that is why he gave us the Bible his infallible Word!! God is infallible!
baharheart 2 years ago
Fact: Sexual activity and pairing between animals of the same sex IS found in nature, therefore natural. Videos on youtube are evidence. In the end, God is not "saying" anything. These are men who say that they have the authority to speak 4 God. Which man you believe speaks 4 God or is a prophet is a matter of your particular cultural history. That's why religion must be separate from the State. If you want a Biblical marriage that is your right, but you cant force others to believe in that too.
jasonlawmadrid 2 years ago
That is perverted in itself I am glad for your achievements of becoming a lawyer for 2 countries my hat's off to you however, you knowledge does not make you and expert on human relations period. Everyone who has the life style that says that they are homosexuals and lesbians and say that they believe in God most certainly do not because if they did they would know for a fact that their life style is wrong!!!
baharheart 2 years ago
Everything I know and believe comes from my relationship with Christ and belief in God the father not some secularism that a lot of people believe, my heritage did not hold on to me to make me believe there way. I believe in God creator of heaven and earth and in His son Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible is my life line that I live by, I am not perfect and I still make mistakes but my faith and belief stand solid!! I will continue to believe my pastor over ignorance any day!!
baharheart 2 years ago
"Marriage" like money, is not a "real thing". Money is just a piece of paper. It only has value b/c society has chosen to give it that value. Marriage is the same way. These are part of the "social construction of reality". What exists in nature is pairing. Marriage is a man made "idea" you can't see it or touch it it's not "real". It is something we have made up. Therefore, it can change. Do any other animals get married ? Animals pair off but not marry ! Marriage is a legal invention by man.
jasonlawmadrid 2 years ago
I am so glad you said that because you proved my point: the gay activist do not really believe in the sanctity of marriage--that God is the one who joins together (Matt 19).
TomBrownMinistries 2 years ago
This is America, not a theocracy. When the Government marries people it is not sanctioning a Biblical marriage but a Civil marriage. Gay marriage is a Civil Rights issue not a religious one.
jasonlawmadrid 2 years ago
I don't believe in civil marriage just like to do not believe in common law marriage and if you read all the comments Pastor Tom Brown has put on here, he is clearly right and answers all of your questions with the truth. Way to go Pastor Brown!!
baharheart 2 years ago
He is not right b/c whether you "believe in it" or not when two people marry down at the county they do so under State law which is either a statute passed by the legislature or precedent by judiciary NOT by Biblical law under Matt.19. Public officials do not operate under Biblical law in this country like in Iran where the Koran is the law. We have a separation of church and state. So they are married b/c they have the same legal and CIVIL RIGHTS (property, insurance, inheritance etc.).
jasonlawmadrid 2 years ago
Jason you also have to remember that in the BEGINNING there was NO CIVIL RIGHTS, NO STATE LAW OR LEGISLATURE OR JUDICIARY ANY THING BECAUSE GOD WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS AROUND TO MARRY ANYONE AND THAT IS WHAT HE DID WHEN HE MADE ADAM AND EVE!!! GET IT? GOT IT? GOOD!!! EVERYONE HAS TAKEN THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE OUT OF CONTEXT FOR GENERATIONS AND THAT IS WHERE IGNORANCE FALLS INTO PLACE. EVERYONE ONE WOULD RATHER LISTEN TO WHAT THE WORLD SAYS OVER WHAT GOD SAYS!!!
baharheart 2 years ago
Correct. In primitive ancient times there was no separation btwn Church/State. All laws were religious i.e., the 10 commands. Now, the Mormons believe BOM is the word of God, the Muslims believe the Koran is, the Jews believe the OT but not the NT, the Episc interpret different from Catho, the Buddhist believe in Buddha, the Hindus in their Gods Who is right ? Everyone "thinks" they are. Separation Church/State is only way to guarantee freedom of religion. Laws from legislature not from Bible.
jasonlawmadrid 2 years ago
You have to remember that most of the Religions are man made religions Christianity is not a man made religion, we have a personal one on one RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ, when he came down he came as the son of God not some religion and there for CHRISTIANITY means to be Christ like!!! I come from the Jewish, Catholic and Muslim heritage and I am a born again Believer/Christian.
baharheart 2 years ago
@TomBrownMinistries But what you're ignoring is the fact that marriage is a human idea. It's a declaration of love and the need to spend the rest of ones life with another person. I believe it is TWO PEOPLE (not defined by gender) pledging their life to one another; agreeing to hold each other up if ever one should fall. God made me perfect just the way I am (gay, straight, transgender) and I should be able to be united heart and soul with whomever I choose by (the HUMAN creation) marriage
starbound121 11 months ago
How interesting that you compare marriage between a man and woman with animals, marriage is and has been ordained for men and women only and it was ordained by God Himself!!
baharheart 2 years ago
Two important facts:
1. Human beings ARE animals.
2. When the state marries somebody in the US it is not being ordained by God but by the state. In case you did not know we have a separation of Church and State here in the USA. Freedom of religion.
jasonlawmadrid 2 years ago
Natural law is referred to by Paul in Romans 2 where he mentions homosexuals leaving the "natural" use of the opposite gender. Thus Natural Law is the principle or body of laws derived from nature and is binding on all peoples. It was the use of natural law that convinced countries to get rid of slavery. Natural law clearly means that male and female were meant to marry and procreate, and no "civil" law could overrule the basis of "natural" law.
TomBrownMinistries 2 years ago 2
"Marriage" like money, is not a "real thing". Money is just a piece of paper. It only has value b/c society has chosen to give paper value. Marriage is the same way. These are part of the SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION OF REALITY. What exists in nature is pairs. Marriage is a man made "idea" you can't see or touch it b/c it not "real" nor physical. It is smthing we have made up. Therefore, it can change. Do any other animals get married ? Animals pair off not marry ! Marriage is a LEGAL invention by man.
jasonlawmadrid 2 years ago
This is asinine. There is a difference between civil marriage and a church marriage. Two men and two women can very easily have a civil marriage. They can obtain all the rights and benefits that civil marriage grants. When gay men and women fight for marriage, they are fighting for the rights and benefits under the law.
Now, how you want to look at a 'church marriage' is up to you and your God. If two men cannot be married according to your God, and the way you interpret your bible, so be it.
pkiverson 2 years ago
the law is the law deal with it
pinoylover81 2 years ago
"Natural" law overrules "civil" law. Deal with it.
TomBrownMinistries 2 years ago
He's comparing our judiciary to nazi (who killed millions)? That's extreme and way overboard.
Perhaps there are no marriages between people of the same sex in his intolerant church, but to claim that there are no civil marriages elsewhere is simply untrue.
Of course he's making a profit selling this hate in the form of his book though - he didn't forget to plug it in his video.
SpeedyBruin 2 years ago
in english that is, i'm heairng impaired and i would love to know what you're saying, if you do have a transcript please email me... thanks
UTEPSTUDENT52 2 years ago
subtitles por favor...
UTEPSTUDENT52 2 years ago