That last part isn't such a big deal. I had a Catholic upbringing, was taught about hell and so on, and I didn't have night terrors about it or anything.
Also, I abandoned the faith in my mid teens with absolute ease. No long term damage.
What is a big deal here is that free speech, whether you believe what is being said or not, is being jeopardized through a combination of politically correct fear-mongering and insane, beaurocratic stupidity.
education business is set up so liars can sell lies, make young live a lie not a life. all w/ logic/spirit need to get their kids out of the education mill as its a spirit/wealth transfer system that promotes atheism! its for puppets/peons, who're owned, they put blind faith in fools/tools/costumes, hell to pay soon. teacher/cheater recipe of letters & intent/purpose, same. teacher = know it all, if not they're student still. fascists sell education, learning is free, being taught costs a soul
@Rowan616 well so are people who have no kindness, love or compassion for others. BTW I'm a Christian and I help those who are in need. I help the hungry, homeless and poor because it is the right and moral thing to do. What about you Rowan616? Do you help others who are hungry, homeless and poor or do you just laugh, hurt and hate them because they are hungry, homeless and poor. If you do then you are just as bad as those who commit genocide in tyrannical type governments (dictatorships).
I just think that it's gonna upset a 5 year old, telling them they'll go to hell if they don't believe in god - kids that age can sometimes take stuff other kids say at face value. I think they did the right thing here - it's not like they suspended her or got her in serious trouble, they just told her not to say something that might upset another kid.
She's only five. She probably didn't realize that it would result in her teacher reprimanding her. Some teachers think they're parents and that they should take the place of lecturing kids but they really shouldn't.
@trifulquita15 what about people who have and show kindness, love and compassion towards others? Do you think they too should be arrested for that as well?
Aren't you aware that a non-violent Christian is able to go around stating what they believe? Rather than being violent, they just "spread the gospel" as they would say. I'm not a Christian so don't say I'm biased like you guys are. What if her classmates had no religious influence? These Christians feel it is their duty to spread their message to those untold. You think it's that "hateful" for a 5 yr old girl to say "if you don't believe in god, you're going to hell"? Ano
What a stupid lady. Why did she teach her daughter to say such hateful stuff? If the classmate was a Muslim, Hindu, or atheist, how do you think they would respond? This woman is sick.
This is the kind of response you get when you teach your child hateful nonsense. She goes to school and spews the filth you taught her, offending others.
Wow I clicked on this randomly and this school is in my hometown (I went Haywards though). I have to say I agree with the teacher on this one. A 5 year old even being told about the myth of religion and hell and thinking it's true is just wrong.
Sure...it's much more moral to tell them that as humans they are simply a product of evolutionary accident.
I also love the irony of all the moral judgements against 'immoral' Christianity here from atheists; on what moral grounds do you judge what is right or wrong? Secular hypocrisy.
@JakersNI This isn't a question of morality. It's a question of education. Teaching your child purely about heaven and hell will make him wrongly divide the world between good and evil. Raising him with actual scientific fact (like Darwin's theories) will lead him to accepting men's differences, different cultures and the World. Up to you to choose, but seems obvious the second one is better. And evolution is no "accident", it's just logical. I know you don't get that thing called "logic"...
@BloodspillingSam It’s a pity you decided to go for a cheap ad hominem attack at the end. The ‘morality’ comment I made was against those making moral judgements against Christians here. By whose standard do they judge it to be barbaric? Also, evolution is about chance - that chemicals ‘happened’ to combine to create life. At Christianity’s core is respect for other humans – something that Darwin’s survival of the fittest doesn’t: fit animals survive while the weak die, and we are animals.
@JakersNI Christianity doesn't have to be barbaric to be wrong. It is wrong to force christianity down your child's throat because it will slow down his personal development and make him believe he alone possesses the truth and all other are wrong and will burn in hell. That's when he'll start saying the same idiocies as this 5 year old. And if you want to see why christianity is barbaric, just read the Old Testament. Respect for humans is absent, they are disposable to God and to God's people.
@BloodspillingSam It's no different from ‘shoving’ atheism down a child’s throat along with its biases. To coin a popular phrase,’ who are you to say’ what’s wrong? What’s the basis of your standards for judging so? It’s easy to point to the Old Testament, but what about the New Testament and its message of grace? On the flipside, if you want to see an example of atheisms barbarism just look at the role of social Darwinism in influencing the eugenics movement and Hitler.
@JakersNI another one of these theists who think Hitler was an atheist. I know for a FACT you have done no research just by that statement. you were told that one day and you just bought it. Read "Mein Kampf". Even IF he was an atheist, which evidence point towards the fact he was baptized roman catholic, and he was into in occult which is not atheism. he did NOT do his crimes in the name of atheism nore were his actions the result of atheism But inarguably the crusades were in the name of god
@neapals You know nothing about how much research I've done; again, another cheap ad hominem attack. I never stated Hitler was an atheist or he acted in the name of atheism (which is a strawman argument). Social Darwinism was used by scientists to justify 'inferior races', which fuelled the eugenics movement and Hitler eventually used. Hitler wasn’t Christian or atheist; he used whatever he could for political gain. However, if you want a very clear example of atheism’s barbarism, try communism.
@JakersNI Hitler was not even really anti-semitic. He had a conversation with Josef Hell where he said his study revealed that 1) you needed a scapegoat to change the system and 2) Jews were the best scapegoat history ever created. Good old Haman never dies, does he?
America has separation of church and state. In that context, public schools are considered state institutions, and therefore religious activity should be kept out of school.
There are many Christian, Catholic, Jewish private schools, to which this does not apply.
Think about it. I seem to recall at bit of a tiff between the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland a while back.
I doubt having a religious dicussion at school would have been productive for anyone.
@cobbax9916 Oh...it's the usual christian edict "my god is the only true path and your interpretation of the bible is not the right one" can't you see how silly that is? Why would a god care about which path you chose to worship him. He knows that his 'created people' interpret things differently, that 's how he made us according to you. The fact is there is no god and you should stop deluding yourself and indoctrinating your children. Find something better to do with your hands that praying...
@cobbax9916 Christchurch cathedral was damaged by earthquakes in 1881, 1888, 1901, 2010 and twice in 2011. Every time they say Catholics don't know Jesus, their church falls down. Keep up the "good work".
@cobbax9916 How about the people praying in the cathedral in Christchurch? God must have laughed his head off when he brought the entire edifice down on their heads! Your god only exists in your head! If he wanted obedience from us, why did he give us freedom of choice? Make the wrong choice and you will spend eternity in hell...what kind of freedom is that? How utterly immoral! Why would anyone want to spend eternity with the tyrranical god of the old testament anyway? Good job he's not real!
well yr conscience tells you you are guilty of sins yggdrasil (all men are sinners) but Jesus
came to die for our sins to give us a SECOND CHANCE to get back eternal life
in heaven which we lost when Adam and Eve sinned BUT ONLY IF WE CONFESS HE IS LORD, SAY SORRY FOR SIN AND ASK HIM TO ENTER OUR LIFE. Remember anyone can die any age, any day, any hour of a myriad of things and its too late if Jesus hasnt been yr Lord and you havent been obeying his commands and leading a holy life.
@cobbax9916 I'm not going to ask for any evidence of your belief, because I know there is none that humankind has discovered. I will not bow to a God that passes HIV to babies, or creates a parasite that bores into the eye of a child which will one day make him blind, or that has killed more people than Satan, whom you so despise.
Jesus is not my Lord. It is enough for me that the garden we live in is beautiful enough without believing there are fairies at the bottom of it.
@cobbax9916 I do not believe in heaven, and I will not repent sins that I have not committed. I live for this life I have been given, and I will do everything in my power to make my own, and people around me live happily. I will not preach the word of something there is no evidence for. I will not force my own beliefs on other people. I will live and let live, and I will die knowing I bettered this world in some way.
If that doesn't get me into this "heaven", then I don't want any part of it.
@cobbax9916 Why am I responsible for Adam & Eve's sin? This is just one example of the New Testament's utter immorality - the doctrine of original sin, the doctrine of atonement, the concept of eternal hell - utterly disgusting! And why is belief the most important thing to your god? How fortunate that none of it is true and what a shame so many silly people haven't accepted this fact as yet...it's just pathetic...
@cobbax9916 I guess weak minded people need to live in fear in order to maintain their morality. You don't need an instruction manual to tell you how to be good.
@cobbax9916 So what? I have raised 4 daughters...all well adjusted, beautiful, university graduates with good jobs and great marriages and relationships. I have been married to the same woman (their mother) for 35 years and god never entered my life or spent a moment in my company! My dad nearly died of a heart attack some years ago and nobody prayed for him. He got better all the same. So what? I have been an active atheist all my life and yet I have had more 'blessings' than anyone else I know
@cobbax9916 "Praise the Lord", if you haven't realised, is formulated as an order. You wouldn't agree with a kid saying "Praise Satan" in class, would you? Then you're a hypocritical idiot! All the more so for seemingly rejoicing about this woman's death from cancer. Congratulations, hateful crazed fuck! :)
@cobbax9916 First of, what does my age have to do with this? Really, what the hell? Is it that you can't talk to me unless you know my age? Glad to hear you didn't rejoice over her death. Although you apparently seem to think only non-believers can get cancer somehow. Good job on avoiding the subject I was actually going for, that you are biased, hypocritical and in a need to assert the dominance of your religion as well as somehow prove its validity. Thanks for the non-answer! :D
@solidcod4 personally I think it is plain old childhood indoctrination. In many cases it is undisguised brainwashing. Children's minds should not be polluted with religious immorality. Many never recover from it.
@nettieheartful Yes but in the case of workplaces I can see there point. Its one thing saying you are a christians but the problem comes where you continuously preach ( like those crazy nut job preacher) or go around telling everyone they will burn in hell
@badpanda84 yes thats right cause christians always do that in the work place why dont you do your homework before commenting you are so uninformed and prejudice!
@badpanda84 I disagree in this climate now people are looking to shop christians for the crime of their faith and its becoming political there are many examples of it!
@badpanda84 no shop them as in tell on them its like christians are being criminalised for their faith these days as the bible is being called hate speech!
I FEEL SORRY FOR KIDS BEING BROUGHT UP TO BELIEVE IN SUCH CRAP. ITS NOT THE KIDS FAULT BUT THEIR PARENTS. AS AN ADULT THEY SHOULD BE WISE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT GOD IS LOVE AND THATS IT. NO HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE. THESE ARE FEAR TACTICS MADE UP BY RELIGION AND CHURCHES BECAUSE NO ONE WAS GOING TO CHURCH. THIS IS A FACT BACK 100OS OF YRS AGO.
LOL. ITS SO FUNNY TO ME THAT FINALLY THE SO CALLED CHRISTIANS ARE GETTING EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESERVE. THEY CAN SURE DISH IT OUT, BUT THEY SURE CANT TAKE IT. HYPOCRITES TO THE CORE. YOU CAN HATE ALL YOU WANT, BUT DO IT IN YOU OWN HOME, NOT EVERYONE ELSES.
@dorianstark Do shut up this world needs less of you people fucking bigot, have a heart the kid was only 5. I am pretty sure your very religious you just don't know it, how were those easter eggs you skoffed down your neck? or the christmas presents you gave and recieved give over, maybe you shouldn't be searching this stuff if you have negative stuff to say about the video, maybe you athiests should stop harrassing the religious people, your hypocrites, enjoy christmas bitch.
@RunWhilstYouCan well while you are spewing your hateful non-religious profains at another , abt how i am a hypocrite, you need to listen to yourself. do u think u sound very christian? i didn think so. anyway i never claimed i didnt believe in GOD, i dont care for religion. and as i believe n god, ican believe in christmas. as far as easter, ehh, i dont celebrate it. thanks for coming, bye bye now.
I have not heard or seen any authority intimidating..when anyone talks of "allah" . where was all the intimidation when the "peaceful" muslims were shouting anti european slogans murderously while protesting the Danish cartoons..did you see the gutless cops standing just idly by..?? But mention "JESUS"..wow..and the commotion it causes..whatever happened to free speech. Its the spirit of anti christ..anything any name is fine..but not the name of "JESUS"...its clear..
What a load of nonsense. The child should be aloud to say what she "wants" about her Religion , this country was founded on Christian values. Time for this country to wake up.
Evolution is BS, this is more of the brainwashing stuff we have to listen to. If you believe you evolved from an ape, you will act like one. LOL, when they find a fossil, do they see a tag on it , telling them what year it was buried.
@jack23620 LOL, SO UR COMMENT ABT SCIENCE IS BULLSHIT.? HMM, FUNNY,CUZ U APPARENTLY BELIEVE THAT A MAN WALKS ON WATER AND TURNS WATER INTO WINE . A MAN PARTED THE RED SEA WITH A WAVE OF HIS STAFF. A MAN LIVED INSIDE A FISH FOR DAYS. A MAN BUILT AN ARC BIG ENOUGH TO HOUSE EVERY SPECIES OF ANIMAL AND TOOK THE TIME TO FIND THEM AND TALK THEM INTO LINING UP IN TWOS. LMAO- GOOD STUF GOOD STUFF. ARE U A COMEDIAN?
@jack23620 Hahahaha, you're dumb =') We did not evolve from apes, we simply belong to their "family". We share DNA with apes. And the whole point of evolving is that you become BETTER than what you were before. And no, they don't see a tag on it, they simply us radiocarbon dating to find out when it goes back to.
"Talking about Jesus" turns out to actually be one child upsetting and frightening another 5 year old with some nonsense about hell. christianorguk has a way of distorting the truth to make Christians always look like the victims. What about the tears of the child who was upset and frightened by this horror story ?
England is getting more like Nazi Germany every day. Christians are being persecuted for their beliefs and Christian values are constantly being undermined. Scary stuff.
@Indigohue WELL, KEEP TELLING PEOPLE LIES LIKE THEY R GOING TO A MAGICAL PLACE CALLED HELL AND THERE WONT BE ANY DISCUSSION. YOU CAN HATE ALL U WANT. JUST DONT HARRASS ANYONE WHEN U DO IT.
The lie is that there is no hell. Jesus spoke of hell more than heaven because it's His desire that no one goes there.
Satan's first lie was "God lies, you shall not die, but become Gods, being able to judge good from evil yourself"
As a former atheist once said "It is very easy to be an atheist when you're successful, but it's very difficult to be an atheist when you're lying on your death bed
@Indigohue well, i think its great u have found GOD. i know GOD as well, but he is a perfect being that doesnt need a hell. we came here in this hell to better our souls until we go back home 2 heaven. i am secure in this fact. i am not here 2 change ur mind. if u r happy with what u know, fine. bottomline is i am here to better my soul, no 1 elses. i am proud of who i am, but i still need to learn quite a bit more as we all do. i love growing . i respect you ,but we r not here to harrass others
I'm not suggesting that anyone harrass anyone either. But to deny hell is to say the scriptures are not trustworthy, it's an attack on Jesus Christ who spoke clearly of it's reality for those who reject Him.
@Indigohue but harrassment does happen more than not and its nobodys job to try to save someone elses soul but their own. you and i have different views and i simply not a GOD fearing person. u can be that way, but not me. as long as noone gets in my way, we will b alright. but i have been harrassed too much to put up with what ones beliefs r especially when they r not my own. i can respect any1 who can respect me. i dont believe n everything the bible says. but u may, thats the beauty of it all
@Indigohue They're not trustworthy.... have you not read the bible? It claims that Adam had a conversation with a snake. Now tell me, have you ever met a snake that can talk?? Snakes can't talk....
...well, now you're talking about science. Yes, we are a small planet spinning in a vast universe--a fact of science. Adam talking to a snake-- not so much.
You call it science, I call it the marvel of God's creation. Remember science is absolutely of no use to you when you take your last breath on this earth. Then you are in the hands of your Creator.
@Indigohue Glad you're so sure about that.. of course you don't know at all; none of us really do. God is a concept, and it's important we keep that in mind when we're talking about "him"
@Indigohue I didn't say Jesus was a concept, I said God is a concept. Yes, I'm aware that christians believe that Jesus was god...therefore my statement "god is a concept" is read by you as "jesus is a concept" Jesus is a historical fact, I haven't argued that.
Yes, Jesus is God in human flesh. Jesus Christ is God's only provision for our sin. God bridged the gulf which separates us from Him, by sending Jesus to die on the cross in our place and pay a penalty for our sins. "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Also the only way to God is through Jesus Christ.
'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me
@Indigohue very well then , i think we earned a jesus in that case after all god left us to the dogs and to the wims of a cruel nature that we had to fight with absolutly no help. billions have died of illness and billions had no food billions were killed by mankind and we got some help in the afterlife department. sounds a bit fishy to me but i will take what i can get right. all my sins are washed away. because i belive jesus died for my sins.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic. You sound very bitter towards God. You'd be wrong to think you can just say I believe Jesus died for my sins and that will automatically gain you eternal life.
@Indigohue Now, you aren't. To be in the hands of your Creator you'd have to still be. You cannot "be" once you die. Simple use of philosophical logic. When you die, "you" disappears. All that is left is a corpse. End. I know it's scary, but please stop resorting to childish tactics of "My soul will be taken by God to Heaven". Your "soul", your mind, will die when you die. That's just how it goes. Grow up and deal with it.
For such a staunch atheist you spend an awful lot of time arguing with Christians over something you supposedly don't believe in. It obviously bothers you, as well it should, eternity is a long time to be wrong.
You get no chance to repent after you die. Belief in hell is not a requirement to end up there. You are playing russian roulette with your eternal security.
Provide me with concrete proof that there is no life after death. Yep, thought so, you can't!
@Indigohue A certain people believed that one's fate after death is determined thus: the deceased are transformed into some sort of a fish; those magical fish that make it across a bridge are the blessed, while the remainder have no eternal life. Since I can't disprove that, I've decided to start walking across bridges as often as possible.
You can walk across a thousand bridges and it won't help an iota as far as your salvation is concerned.
Atheists love to talk about the flying spaghetti monster and magical fish, but deny the living Son of God who shed His blood on the cross to save sinners from hell. And without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sins!
Face facts, you have blind faith - in absolutely nothing! Whereas the Bible has never been successfully refuted!
@Indigohue To the contrary, I believe in God, but also believe in pre-destination. No matter what you do, your fate after death will occur. It was determined at the beginning of the universe. You can do nothing to alter that fate whatsoever. This includes walking bridges, saying you believe or do not believe in Jesus or Almighty God, or whatever. If you were pre-destined to heaven, you might murder 10,000 and still go there. If you were pre-destined for Hell, you might save 1,000,000,000 lives.
I think you need to read the Bible. What you are writing is absolute nonsense.
1 Cor 6-9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
By your own admission you've made God out to be a liar!
@Indigohue . Eph. 1 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Rom 9 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. . . .
God, who created galaxies, determined who would be saved before birth. You cannot change that.
@Indigohue There is no free will. God determined whether you will go to heaven or Hell at the beginning of the universe. Eph 1 proved that.. Do you really think a truly Almighty God would not have determined this? Consider Mat. 7" 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? & in thy name have cast out devils? & in thy name done many wonderful works? 23& then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Rubbish. God gave Adam and Eve free will, but they chose to disobey Him, but that free will has continued ever since.
And Matt 7 22 is referring to those who are Christian hypocrites, who like the pharisees parade around wearing a cloak of self righteousness but behind closed doors commit all manner of sins. That's why the last sentence says, "Depart from me, ye that work INIQUITY (sin).
Jesus said "If you love me you will keep my commandments."
What is good in our eyes was not good in the eyes of persons living a thousand years ago. The eyes of God, by contrast, are beyond time. For we are, all of us, sin filled, like it or not. All of us fall short.
@Indigohue Dr. Swango, who murdered over 100 people, appears to fit the bill of the saved. He is wicked in our eyes, but what counts is the definition in the following sentence, viz: he was not known to have been a fornicator, an idolater, an adulterer, effeminate, a thief, a covetous man, a drunkard, a reviler, or an extortioner. An abuser of oneself with mankind is hard to understand; but he was not known to masturbate in public. Why the effeminate must to Hell go is a good question.
Gal. 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
By contrast, Dr. Harold Shipman missed the boat. It would have been fine, his murdering all those little old ladies, had he not altered the wills so as to render himself the beneficiary. That made him a thief!
You really need to study the Bible more, if you think murdering is okay in the eyes of God.
Matt 5 21-22 Jesus says, You have heard that our Ancestors were told, ‘You must not murder. If you commit murder, you are subject to judgment.’ But I say, if you are even Angry with someone, you are subject to Judgment! If you call someone an Idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in Danger of the Fires of Hell.”
@Indigohue Crimes against the person are indeed the most serious of sins to us, but not to those just a few centuries ago. Consider Frederick Barbarossa's Peace of the Land from 1152-1157. That was long before the Reformation was felt to be necessary. The death penalty was given for 5 shillings of theft. No penalty waa provisioned for rape. For aggravated assault one simply lost a hand. All King David had to do was to have an infant die.
Society often gets things wrong and has done throughout the ages. But God's moral law is unchanging and it is what he has written on our hearts and to which our conscience bears witness. It is to Him we are answerable to on Judgment Day.
@Indigohue Society in this case comprises the moral standards of an era, religion, and locale; all societies fall short of the glory of Almighty God. The morality of God is beyond human comprehension. What is certain is that God determined the composition of the elect at the beginning of the universe. No one in any human society can say who is and is not a member of the elect, apart from persons in the bible. There is simply no way that human works can save or human sins damn..
I never said we are saved by works, but by Grace. By without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. God's law was given to show people how sinful they really are and to bring the whole world into judgment before Him. We have all fallen short which is why salvation is found only through repentance and being born again through Jesus Christ.
Salvation is a CHOICE.
"For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13
@Indigohue The choice is that of God, not humanity, viz Romans chapters 9-10. That sovereign choice was made by God before the creation of the world. You have no choice in the matter. What you believe to be a choice of Christ may, in the view of Almighty God, be a false belief. Only God can say what constitutes true faith.
No, you are wrong. God is sovereign, but he still gave man free will.
If God really only predestined some people from the foundation of the world to be saved and sends the others to hell, Jesus would not have commanded us to preach the gospel. There would be no point!
Repentance is the underlying theme of all prophetic and gospel messages, which implies man can change.
Joshua 24:15 And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, CHOOSE this day whom you will serve.
@Indigohue God NEVER gave man free will on salvation. Rom 9 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Jesus preached those to whom he was speaking to preach the Gospel.
Jesus preached more on hell than he did on heaven. What would be the point if no one could change??
Your God condemns men for sins He made them do and then commands them to repent of the sins he made them to do!!!
Like I said before your Calvinistic God is schizophrenic and a monster who gleefully condemns some people, including babies and children to an eternity in hell without a chance to repent.
@Indigohue The reasons God does or does not do anything are not questionable by us. To continue with Romans: 19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
@manny298 Totally true... I'm in France and everyone here is free to be of any religion they wish. Jewish, Catholics ( a majority ), Muslims, Buddhists and of course many remain atheists. The LAW even states that we have freedom of religion and opinion.There is a difference between wanting freedom of religion and predominance of your own religion. You want the latter. You simply can't accept that freedom of religion is progressing because it'll lead to the end of religious BS. I hope to see it.
I'd like to know why a 5 year old has even heard of the concept of hell. Did this loving, caring mother actually tell a little girl that people who don't believe in God will go to hell? What kind of parent is that? Of course normal moral people find this wholly unproven, barbaric concept despicable, and moral people are right to protect other young people from hearing this nonsense. Shame on you Jenny.
@snoberts I agree whole heartedly! A 5 year old is not a Christian, she is a child of Christian parents and this woman should be ashamed of herself for indoctrinating this innocent child. Religious belief makes good people do very bad and harmful things...even to those they love...SHAME ON YOU JENNY!
@snoberts the problem here is the head teacher thinks he is god. he should stop getting on his high horse and think this is a child. all this trouble over somthing so small. who pays his wages us in our taxes just so the idiot can cause storm to feel inportant the stupid fool
@tomato6999 As a former primary school teacher and a parent I think it is important to take the trouble to ensure that children are not taught evil lies. We must ensure that the filth you regard as "so small", namely the doctrine of hell and eternal torture based on a person's private beliefs, are not presented to children as morality. I praise the head teacher for stepping in to protect this child, and the other children at the school, from the immoral beliefs that the mother taught her child.
"I'd like to know why a 5 year old has even heard of the concept of hell"
--FYI: Its the Christian religion. I'd advise reading something about it. I'm going to assume you live in a country untouched by the publishing of books, television broadcasts, or the publishing of newspapers, and where there is no religion.
Or maybe somehow you live on another planet and have found a way to access YouTube.
@NoGuff Hey NoGuff. snoberts here. You may have missed the earlier posts but I am fully aware of the christian religion and all its immoral teachings. It is one of the reasons I am no longer a christian. What I am concerned with is that this parent chose to teach her 5yo child the most immoral and barbaric christian belief, when christian childhood indoctrination usually poisons the child into immoral belief over a longer period, saving the doctrine of hell until the child is more corrupted.
@NoGuff Or, you know, he knows the Bible is an outdated piece of crap? Sure, it's fun literature, but nothing to base your life on. Oh, also, he could live in a country where christianity isn't found. Therefore, it wouldn't be part of his culture and you would be proving to be a xenophobic dickwad. If your kid is preaching to other kids, you failed as a parent.
Thank you very much for your Progressive, United Nations sanctioned, Neo-Communist, anti-Christian, hate rant propaganda. You've done a good job as a loyal little brainless indoctrinated drone. Go wash the Che teeshirt you're wearing, put it in the pile for your mother to wash for you, and put on one of the many other Che teeshirts in your drawer, right next to your pagan altar to Saul Alinsky and Karl Marx. Make sure you clean your bongs, too.
I just wonder why the hell you bring up,or talking about jesus.I still think that girl deserved to be slapped,because she claims that the child didnt have right to live,what a cunt child,brought up by an ignorant horrible mother. Just because she is 5 years doesnt mean she can say whatever she wants.Obviously her mother says that to her child that.Where would she otherwise get that.Facts from belief, Its not the fact that they fear going to hell thats bad..but that they claim they have no rights
I consider it child abuse to teach a five year old that everyone who doesn't believe goes to Hell. What kind of "Christian" fills young children's heads with such terrifying and bigoted ideas?
@SpcMedia21: This religious nonsense should not be allowed in a school, a place where you learn about cold hard facts and not some stone age rubbish which has absolutely no evidence for the things it preaches.
so what about evolution? there is no factual evidence to that at all, even Darwin acknowledged the fact that his theory made no sense, but he admitted to that fact that his desire to escape The God of the Bible will be pursued at all cost.
Listen, you can try to run from God, but you cannot succeed. one day you will see Him. the question is when you do will He be your Judge, or you Friend. the choice is yours, Evolution and Creation should be taught in schools and let kids decide.
@SpcMedia21 No factual evidence for evolution? What rock have you been hiding under? The evidence for evolution is mounting everyday my friend and there is nothing in the Bible, Quran or any other looney religous book which can provide us with the answers that Science does.
Everything you use today has been devised by Science yet you sit here using your instruments of technology to tell us that we are wrong and that your religion is the truth? Alot has progressed since Darwin for the record.
@SpcMedia21 Kids are idiots. They'll choose creation because it's easier to remember that "Everything was just made all of a sudden" than to remember how it actually happened. Same reason you tell a child "when a daddy and a mummy love each other very much they make a baby" rather than tell them all about sperm, eggs, phallopian tubes, uteruses etc etc... Easy solution or actual explanation? Seems you choose facility.
@SpcMedia21 "Persecution"? The Jews were persecuted on multiple occasions. This? This is just puny whining over the loss of christian domination in society. Oh no, other cultures exist equally to ours and people are now smart enough to belive in equality, laicity and even atheism! Holy shiiiiiiiiiit! Hahaha, you're dumb and screwed with this mentality :)
What if another 5 year old kid said that if you dont believe in allah to that kid shit would hit the fan from another perspective. First of all stop indoctrinating kids second if you want your beliefs forced upon your kids put them in a fucking relligious scool. If you think this vid symphatizes the christian case your dead wrong.
Solution: Teach your kids the truth, not some 2000 year old myth.
petelyneey 2 weeks ago
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What is this world coming too..God help us
jrad410 3 weeks ago
What is this world coming too..
jrad410 3 weeks ago
@BeauG92
That last part isn't such a big deal. I had a Catholic upbringing, was taught about hell and so on, and I didn't have night terrors about it or anything.
Also, I abandoned the faith in my mid teens with absolute ease. No long term damage.
What is a big deal here is that free speech, whether you believe what is being said or not, is being jeopardized through a combination of politically correct fear-mongering and insane, beaurocratic stupidity.
terratrema 1 month ago
education business is set up so liars can sell lies, make young live a lie not a life. all w/ logic/spirit need to get their kids out of the education mill as its a spirit/wealth transfer system that promotes atheism! its for puppets/peons, who're owned, they put blind faith in fools/tools/costumes, hell to pay soon. teacher/cheater recipe of letters & intent/purpose, same. teacher = know it all, if not they're student still. fascists sell education, learning is free, being taught costs a soul
BankofSpirit 3 months ago
these sort of people fill their children's heads with fear & hate, then wonder why the kids get treated like this when they repeat it
hawkertruffelsnout 4 months ago
@Rowan616 well so are people who have no kindness, love or compassion for others. BTW I'm a Christian and I help those who are in need. I help the hungry, homeless and poor because it is the right and moral thing to do. What about you Rowan616? Do you help others who are hungry, homeless and poor or do you just laugh, hurt and hate them because they are hungry, homeless and poor. If you do then you are just as bad as those who commit genocide in tyrannical type governments (dictatorships).
freedomfighterguy1 4 months ago
I just think that it's gonna upset a 5 year old, telling them they'll go to hell if they don't believe in god - kids that age can sometimes take stuff other kids say at face value. I think they did the right thing here - it's not like they suspended her or got her in serious trouble, they just told her not to say something that might upset another kid.
BobbieMcgee 5 months ago
Got totalitarianism?
FORMETOKNOWONLY 5 months ago
She's only five. She probably didn't realize that it would result in her teacher reprimanding her. Some teachers think they're parents and that they should take the place of lecturing kids but they really shouldn't.
lotusflower281 5 months ago
WHAT?????? The lil girl talked about Jesus in the school?????? Is very disturbing. What is the world coming to?????
Im atheist satanic, I think the 5 yrs old girl and her mom should be arrested for that crime. Christians are crazy.
trifulquita15 6 months ago
@trifulquita15 what about people who have and show kindness, love and compassion towards others? Do you think they too should be arrested for that as well?
freedomfighterguy1 4 months ago
the email also obviously found its way to public bodies...
darrencred 6 months ago
You guys are blind.
Aren't you aware that a non-violent Christian is able to go around stating what they believe? Rather than being violent, they just "spread the gospel" as they would say. I'm not a Christian so don't say I'm biased like you guys are. What if her classmates had no religious influence? These Christians feel it is their duty to spread their message to those untold. You think it's that "hateful" for a 5 yr old girl to say "if you don't believe in god, you're going to hell"? Ano
ohmgrown1991 6 months ago
What a stupid lady. Why did she teach her daughter to say such hateful stuff? If the classmate was a Muslim, Hindu, or atheist, how do you think they would respond? This woman is sick.
DesuConcrete 7 months ago
@DesuConcrete And the atheist bus ads is not proselytism, but education. Watch the video, right side LOL
trifulquita15 6 months ago
This is the kind of response you get when you teach your child hateful nonsense. She goes to school and spews the filth you taught her, offending others.
ripticdu 7 months ago
Threating people with hell is not ok i don't feel bad for this women.
wachnathan 7 months ago
CHRISTIANS ARE BEING PERSECUTED EVERY WHERE SOME JAILED, KILLED FOR THEIR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST GOD HELP US ALL TO HOLD ON AND ENDURE TILL THE END
laysea65 7 months ago
@laysea65 Why all the shouting? Afraid people are sick of your mythological suppression?
ripticdu 7 months ago
I BELIEVE JESUS WARNED THIS WOULD HAPPEN IN THE END TIMES C
laysea65 7 months ago
this is just a load of fucking bollox...like religion is!
filthykafur 7 months ago
Wow I clicked on this randomly and this school is in my hometown (I went Haywards though). I have to say I agree with the teacher on this one. A 5 year old even being told about the myth of religion and hell and thinking it's true is just wrong.
Key3812 8 months ago
Your UK queen and bankers have ruined the world. England sucks!
justryandshutmeup 8 months ago
These modern Teachers are spreading cultural marxism for the NWO and will burn in hell for corrupting the youth!
justryandshutmeup 8 months ago
Sure...it's much more moral to tell them that as humans they are simply a product of evolutionary accident.
I also love the irony of all the moral judgements against 'immoral' Christianity here from atheists; on what moral grounds do you judge what is right or wrong? Secular hypocrisy.
JakersNI 8 months ago
@JakersNI This isn't a question of morality. It's a question of education. Teaching your child purely about heaven and hell will make him wrongly divide the world between good and evil. Raising him with actual scientific fact (like Darwin's theories) will lead him to accepting men's differences, different cultures and the World. Up to you to choose, but seems obvious the second one is better. And evolution is no "accident", it's just logical. I know you don't get that thing called "logic"...
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
@BloodspillingSam It’s a pity you decided to go for a cheap ad hominem attack at the end. The ‘morality’ comment I made was against those making moral judgements against Christians here. By whose standard do they judge it to be barbaric? Also, evolution is about chance - that chemicals ‘happened’ to combine to create life. At Christianity’s core is respect for other humans – something that Darwin’s survival of the fittest doesn’t: fit animals survive while the weak die, and we are animals.
JakersNI 8 months ago
@JakersNI Christianity doesn't have to be barbaric to be wrong. It is wrong to force christianity down your child's throat because it will slow down his personal development and make him believe he alone possesses the truth and all other are wrong and will burn in hell. That's when he'll start saying the same idiocies as this 5 year old. And if you want to see why christianity is barbaric, just read the Old Testament. Respect for humans is absent, they are disposable to God and to God's people.
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
@BloodspillingSam It's no different from ‘shoving’ atheism down a child’s throat along with its biases. To coin a popular phrase,’ who are you to say’ what’s wrong? What’s the basis of your standards for judging so? It’s easy to point to the Old Testament, but what about the New Testament and its message of grace? On the flipside, if you want to see an example of atheisms barbarism just look at the role of social Darwinism in influencing the eugenics movement and Hitler.
JakersNI 8 months ago
@JakersNI another one of these theists who think Hitler was an atheist. I know for a FACT you have done no research just by that statement. you were told that one day and you just bought it. Read "Mein Kampf". Even IF he was an atheist, which evidence point towards the fact he was baptized roman catholic, and he was into in occult which is not atheism. he did NOT do his crimes in the name of atheism nore were his actions the result of atheism But inarguably the crusades were in the name of god
neapals 8 months ago
@neapals You know nothing about how much research I've done; again, another cheap ad hominem attack. I never stated Hitler was an atheist or he acted in the name of atheism (which is a strawman argument). Social Darwinism was used by scientists to justify 'inferior races', which fuelled the eugenics movement and Hitler eventually used. Hitler wasn’t Christian or atheist; he used whatever he could for political gain. However, if you want a very clear example of atheism’s barbarism, try communism.
JakersNI 8 months ago
@JakersNI Hitler was not even really anti-semitic. He had a conversation with Josef Hell where he said his study revealed that 1) you needed a scapegoat to change the system and 2) Jews were the best scapegoat history ever created. Good old Haman never dies, does he?
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
"Belief should not be stated as fact." seems a much better thing to teach children than, "If you don't believe in God you go to Hell."
BRaffertyable 9 months ago
America has separation of church and state. In that context, public schools are considered state institutions, and therefore religious activity should be kept out of school.
There are many Christian, Catholic, Jewish private schools, to which this does not apply.
Think about it. I seem to recall at bit of a tiff between the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland a while back.
I doubt having a religious dicussion at school would have been productive for anyone.
CallMeInfidel 10 months ago
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NoGuff 10 months ago
@boc ..catholics dont know Jesus they are not born again but worship
catholic ritual ...they cannot enter heaven in that state - anyway if you
want to see a catholic who got born again and had a dream of these end
times coming tribulation type in here on youtube (there are many parts)..........
I Saw the Tribulation 1/5 - Ken Peters (condensed) - thats probably why
God destroyed the Chch cathedral they are not obeying the Lord or worshipping Him.
cobbax9916 11 months ago
@cobbax9916 Oh...it's the usual christian edict "my god is the only true path and your interpretation of the bible is not the right one" can't you see how silly that is? Why would a god care about which path you chose to worship him. He knows that his 'created people' interpret things differently, that 's how he made us according to you. The fact is there is no god and you should stop deluding yourself and indoctrinating your children. Find something better to do with your hands that praying...
boc1953 11 months ago
@cobbax9916 Christchurch cathedral was damaged by earthquakes in 1881, 1888, 1901, 2010 and twice in 2011. Every time they say Catholics don't know Jesus, their church falls down. Keep up the "good work".
giuffre714 7 months ago
@boc1953 I have raised sons and daughter and one of my sons has a double
degree (he got at 20 in 2004) and the other is halfway through his degree with As and Bs for marks
on all his assignments and passed every exam (many) so far but each time
he goes into an exam we ask God to be with Him and honour his study and He
has. My kids were brought up with scripture and have never drunk smoke
or done bad stuff just darn good citizens (yeah and not wussies I can almost
hear you think).
cobbax9916 11 months ago
@ BOC...AND BELIEF ISNT ONLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO GOD ALTHOUGH ITS
VITAL BUT OBEDIENCE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AND FEAR OF GOD
AND LOVING THE LORD YR GOD WITH ALL YR HEART, SOUL MIND AND
STRENGTH FIRST COMMAND.
cobbax9916 11 months ago
@cobbax9916 BLABLABLABLA! Y U USE SO MUCH CAPSLOCK?!?!?!?
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
@boc well the Lord says he causes his sun to shine on the good and evil alike
but I too have seen him punish people (he showed me) its unfortunate you
havent given God the credit boc thats the difference between us I DO...
How do you know nobody prayed for yr father maybe the nurse was born again
(I know of one) or maybe people who were christians prayed for yr dad.
Maybe yr lying. I dont know maybe yr not. However some cruise through life
and hell awaits them. Death can come anytme.
cobbax9916 11 months ago
@cobbax9916 How about the people praying in the cathedral in Christchurch? God must have laughed his head off when he brought the entire edifice down on their heads! Your god only exists in your head! If he wanted obedience from us, why did he give us freedom of choice? Make the wrong choice and you will spend eternity in hell...what kind of freedom is that? How utterly immoral! Why would anyone want to spend eternity with the tyrranical god of the old testament anyway? Good job he's not real!
boc1953 11 months ago
skinning
Chansulus 1 year ago
well yr conscience tells you you are guilty of sins yggdrasil (all men are sinners) but Jesus
came to die for our sins to give us a SECOND CHANCE to get back eternal life
in heaven which we lost when Adam and Eve sinned BUT ONLY IF WE CONFESS HE IS LORD, SAY SORRY FOR SIN AND ASK HIM TO ENTER OUR LIFE. Remember anyone can die any age, any day, any hour of a myriad of things and its too late if Jesus hasnt been yr Lord and you havent been obeying his commands and leading a holy life.
cobbax9916 1 year ago
@cobbax9916 I'm not going to ask for any evidence of your belief, because I know there is none that humankind has discovered. I will not bow to a God that passes HIV to babies, or creates a parasite that bores into the eye of a child which will one day make him blind, or that has killed more people than Satan, whom you so despise.
Jesus is not my Lord. It is enough for me that the garden we live in is beautiful enough without believing there are fairies at the bottom of it.
yggdrasil89 1 year ago
@yggdrasil89 well "good" doesn't cut it...good doesn't get you to heaven
only repentance of sin and asking Jesus to forgive your sins and confessing
with your tongue that he is Lord and that he died and rose from death (Romans 10 verse 9) and
asking Him into your life gets you heaven entry at death (Born again... John 3
verse 3). Nothing else can get you to heaven when you die but coming to
Jesus in life and obeying Him when he sends you the Holy Spirit.
cobbax9916 1 year ago
@cobbax9916 I do not believe in heaven, and I will not repent sins that I have not committed. I live for this life I have been given, and I will do everything in my power to make my own, and people around me live happily. I will not preach the word of something there is no evidence for. I will not force my own beliefs on other people. I will live and let live, and I will die knowing I bettered this world in some way.
If that doesn't get me into this "heaven", then I don't want any part of it.
yggdrasil89 1 year ago
@cobbax9916 Why am I responsible for Adam & Eve's sin? This is just one example of the New Testament's utter immorality - the doctrine of original sin, the doctrine of atonement, the concept of eternal hell - utterly disgusting! And why is belief the most important thing to your god? How fortunate that none of it is true and what a shame so many silly people haven't accepted this fact as yet...it's just pathetic...
boc1953 11 months ago
oh my god get a grip!!!!! wait til shes a teenager
jenbrown007 1 year ago
the little girl needed sometime yet (not 5) to be told about hell. But yes hell is
real. I brought my kids up with the scriptures and they are amazing adults
loving, kind and definitely know right from wrong. Actually in my sons class
was a quite nice teacher and one day a young boy said "praise the Lord".
That teacher said "we wont have that sort of talk around here". When my kids
told me I thought uh oh shes in trouble with God. She died of cancer really
quickly and out of the blue.
cobbax9916 1 year ago
@cobbax9916 I guess weak minded people need to live in fear in order to maintain their morality. You don't need an instruction manual to tell you how to be good.
yggdrasil89 1 year ago
@cobbax9916 So what? I have raised 4 daughters...all well adjusted, beautiful, university graduates with good jobs and great marriages and relationships. I have been married to the same woman (their mother) for 35 years and god never entered my life or spent a moment in my company! My dad nearly died of a heart attack some years ago and nobody prayed for him. He got better all the same. So what? I have been an active atheist all my life and yet I have had more 'blessings' than anyone else I know
boc1953 11 months ago
@cobbax9916 "Praise the Lord", if you haven't realised, is formulated as an order. You wouldn't agree with a kid saying "Praise Satan" in class, would you? Then you're a hypocritical idiot! All the more so for seemingly rejoicing about this woman's death from cancer. Congratulations, hateful crazed fuck! :)
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
@BloodspillingSam actually little one Sam I did get the opportunity once on the phone to tell that
woman teacher about the Lord....Praise God again... and was sad when she died but I've seen people
dealt with by the Lord. Lets hope she repented and made heaven. As for you little BloodspillingSam
this conversation is terminated I'm not here to babysit you... be good now. Ive had a kid of 11 message
me on the net once so Im suspecting yr about 11 - 18.
cobbax9916 8 months ago
@cobbax9916 First of, what does my age have to do with this? Really, what the hell? Is it that you can't talk to me unless you know my age? Glad to hear you didn't rejoice over her death. Although you apparently seem to think only non-believers can get cancer somehow. Good job on avoiding the subject I was actually going for, that you are biased, hypocritical and in a need to assert the dominance of your religion as well as somehow prove its validity. Thanks for the non-answer! :D
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
wow... she is five.
THEDAVINATOR 1 year ago
when you teach your child that nonsense is real
they will believe, nonsense is real
that's fine if they're surrounded by like-minded people
(the amish are a prime example)
the problems arise when they start spouting their backwards nonsense in 21st century society
not the child's fault. hopefully she can be saved
al3699 1 year ago
@solidcod4 personally I think it is plain old childhood indoctrination. In many cases it is undisguised brainwashing. Children's minds should not be polluted with religious immorality. Many never recover from it.
snoberts 1 year ago
To clarify, like so many examples against christians generally now in the workplace and schools and other arenas of public life too.
nettieheartful 1 year ago
@nettieheartful Yes but in the case of workplaces I can see there point. Its one thing saying you are a christians but the problem comes where you continuously preach ( like those crazy nut job preacher) or go around telling everyone they will burn in hell
badpanda84 1 year ago
@badpanda84 yes thats right cause christians always do that in the work place why dont you do your homework before commenting you are so uninformed and prejudice!
nettieheartful 1 year ago
@nettieheartful my point that in the workplace people aren't generally against christians as long as the keep it to themselves..
badpanda84 1 year ago
@badpanda84 I disagree in this climate now people are looking to shop christians for the crime of their faith and its becoming political there are many examples of it!
nettieheartful 1 year ago
@nettieheartful ?? shop christains ( I assume you mean stop)
and what do you mean crimes of their faith??
badpanda84 1 year ago
@badpanda84 no shop them as in tell on them its like christians are being criminalised for their faith these days as the bible is being called hate speech!
nettieheartful 1 year ago
Thanks for this its good that the truth is out for all to see!
nettieheartful 1 year ago
its funny that the school peopel are not able to face a 5 yaers old kid's opinion.
hadassahmathew 1 year ago
Suck it Christians
mrchoochoohead 1 year ago
God was real he made us then he fucked off and left us here
fordyboy54 1 year ago
I FEEL SORRY FOR KIDS BEING BROUGHT UP TO BELIEVE IN SUCH CRAP. ITS NOT THE KIDS FAULT BUT THEIR PARENTS. AS AN ADULT THEY SHOULD BE WISE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT GOD IS LOVE AND THATS IT. NO HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE. THESE ARE FEAR TACTICS MADE UP BY RELIGION AND CHURCHES BECAUSE NO ONE WAS GOING TO CHURCH. THIS IS A FACT BACK 100OS OF YRS AGO.
dorianstark 1 year ago
@dorianstark hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha good job lol FINALLY someone else realized this!
jpmac098 1 year ago
@jpmac098 thanks. i appreciate it.
dorianstark 1 year ago
LOL. ITS SO FUNNY TO ME THAT FINALLY THE SO CALLED CHRISTIANS ARE GETTING EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESERVE. THEY CAN SURE DISH IT OUT, BUT THEY SURE CANT TAKE IT. HYPOCRITES TO THE CORE. YOU CAN HATE ALL YOU WANT, BUT DO IT IN YOU OWN HOME, NOT EVERYONE ELSES.
dorianstark 1 year ago
@dorianstark Do shut up this world needs less of you people fucking bigot, have a heart the kid was only 5. I am pretty sure your very religious you just don't know it, how were those easter eggs you skoffed down your neck? or the christmas presents you gave and recieved give over, maybe you shouldn't be searching this stuff if you have negative stuff to say about the video, maybe you athiests should stop harrassing the religious people, your hypocrites, enjoy christmas bitch.
RunWhilstYouCan 1 year ago
@RunWhilstYouCan well while you are spewing your hateful non-religious profains at another , abt how i am a hypocrite, you need to listen to yourself. do u think u sound very christian? i didn think so. anyway i never claimed i didnt believe in GOD, i dont care for religion. and as i believe n god, ican believe in christmas. as far as easter, ehh, i dont celebrate it. thanks for coming, bye bye now.
dorianstark 1 year ago
I have not heard or seen any authority intimidating..when anyone talks of "allah" . where was all the intimidation when the "peaceful" muslims were shouting anti european slogans murderously while protesting the Danish cartoons..did you see the gutless cops standing just idly by..?? But mention "JESUS"..wow..and the commotion it causes..whatever happened to free speech. Its the spirit of anti christ..anything any name is fine..but not the name of "JESUS"...its clear..
robertfox1975 1 year ago
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What a load of nonsense. The child should be aloud to say what she "wants" about her Religion , this country was founded on Christian values. Time for this country to wake up.
jack23620 1 year ago
@jack23620 Hum... it wasn't. Nice try though =D
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
Hell is Spiritual death, ''is the separation of the soul from God''.
jack23620 1 year ago
God is the creator, us humans are creative also. ''A Jumbo-Jet was not created by a Big-Bang in a scrap yard''.
jack23620 1 year ago
Evolution is BS, this is more of the brainwashing stuff we have to listen to. If you believe you evolved from an ape, you will act like one. LOL, when they find a fossil, do they see a tag on it , telling them what year it was buried.
jack23620 1 year ago
@jack23620 LOL, SO UR COMMENT ABT SCIENCE IS BULLSHIT.? HMM, FUNNY,CUZ U APPARENTLY BELIEVE THAT A MAN WALKS ON WATER AND TURNS WATER INTO WINE . A MAN PARTED THE RED SEA WITH A WAVE OF HIS STAFF. A MAN LIVED INSIDE A FISH FOR DAYS. A MAN BUILT AN ARC BIG ENOUGH TO HOUSE EVERY SPECIES OF ANIMAL AND TOOK THE TIME TO FIND THEM AND TALK THEM INTO LINING UP IN TWOS. LMAO- GOOD STUF GOOD STUFF. ARE U A COMEDIAN?
dorianstark 1 year ago
@jack23620 Hahahaha, you're dumb =') We did not evolve from apes, we simply belong to their "family". We share DNA with apes. And the whole point of evolving is that you become BETTER than what you were before. And no, they don't see a tag on it, they simply us radiocarbon dating to find out when it goes back to.
Get a brain, dickhead ! :)
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
"Talking about Jesus" turns out to actually be one child upsetting and frightening another 5 year old with some nonsense about hell. christianorguk has a way of distorting the truth to make Christians always look like the victims. What about the tears of the child who was upset and frightened by this horror story ?
digitaljez 1 year ago
Ugh, disgusting! and how the hell did that guy become head teacher?
MrBornagainzombie 1 year ago
England is getting more like Nazi Germany every day. Christians are being persecuted for their beliefs and Christian values are constantly being undermined. Scary stuff.
Indigohue 1 year ago
@Indigohue WELL, KEEP TELLING PEOPLE LIES LIKE THEY R GOING TO A MAGICAL PLACE CALLED HELL AND THERE WONT BE ANY DISCUSSION. YOU CAN HATE ALL U WANT. JUST DONT HARRASS ANYONE WHEN U DO IT.
dorianstark 1 year ago
@dorianstark
The lie is that there is no hell. Jesus spoke of hell more than heaven because it's His desire that no one goes there.
Satan's first lie was "God lies, you shall not die, but become Gods, being able to judge good from evil yourself"
As a former atheist once said "It is very easy to be an atheist when you're successful, but it's very difficult to be an atheist when you're lying on your death bed
Indigohue 1 year ago
@Indigohue well, i think its great u have found GOD. i know GOD as well, but he is a perfect being that doesnt need a hell. we came here in this hell to better our souls until we go back home 2 heaven. i am secure in this fact. i am not here 2 change ur mind. if u r happy with what u know, fine. bottomline is i am here to better my soul, no 1 elses. i am proud of who i am, but i still need to learn quite a bit more as we all do. i love growing . i respect you ,but we r not here to harrass others
dorianstark 1 year ago
@dorianstark
I'm not suggesting that anyone harrass anyone either. But to deny hell is to say the scriptures are not trustworthy, it's an attack on Jesus Christ who spoke clearly of it's reality for those who reject Him.
Indigohue 1 year ago
@Indigohue but harrassment does happen more than not and its nobodys job to try to save someone elses soul but their own. you and i have different views and i simply not a GOD fearing person. u can be that way, but not me. as long as noone gets in my way, we will b alright. but i have been harrassed too much to put up with what ones beliefs r especially when they r not my own. i can respect any1 who can respect me. i dont believe n everything the bible says. but u may, thats the beauty of it all
dorianstark 1 year ago
@Indigohue They're not trustworthy.... have you not read the bible? It claims that Adam had a conversation with a snake. Now tell me, have you ever met a snake that can talk?? Snakes can't talk....
DanLetts97 1 year ago
@DanLetts97
There are many things that happen in the supernatural realm that are beyond our comprehension.
We are just a tiny planet spinning in a vast universe. That in itself is mind boggling.
Indigohue 1 year ago
...well, now you're talking about science. Yes, we are a small planet spinning in a vast universe--a fact of science. Adam talking to a snake-- not so much.
DanLetts97 1 year ago
@DanLetts97
You call it science, I call it the marvel of God's creation. Remember science is absolutely of no use to you when you take your last breath on this earth. Then you are in the hands of your Creator.
Indigohue 1 year ago
@Indigohue Glad you're so sure about that.. of course you don't know at all; none of us really do. God is a concept, and it's important we keep that in mind when we're talking about "him"
DanLetts97 1 year ago
@DanLetts97
Doubt and disbelief are just part of our egocentric self.Jesus is only a concept for those who don't have a communion with Him.
Indigohue 1 year ago 2
@Indigohue I didn't say Jesus was a concept, I said God is a concept. Yes, I'm aware that christians believe that Jesus was god...therefore my statement "god is a concept" is read by you as "jesus is a concept" Jesus is a historical fact, I haven't argued that.
DanLetts97 1 year ago
@DanLetts97
Yes, Jesus is God in human flesh. Jesus Christ is God's only provision for our sin. God bridged the gulf which separates us from Him, by sending Jesus to die on the cross in our place and pay a penalty for our sins. "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Also the only way to God is through Jesus Christ.
'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me
Indigohue 1 year ago
@Indigohue Take care bro.
DanLetts97 1 year ago
@Indigohue Technically Jesus was just a person... Im sure your quote is from a reliable source? Oh the bible... well, i guess it must be true!
jpmac098 1 year ago
@jpmac098 .
You still have to face God on Judgment Day whether you ‘believe’ in Him or not.
Indigohue 1 year ago
@Indigohue Judgment day XD lol whatever.
jpmac098 1 year ago
@Indigohue very well then , i think we earned a jesus in that case after all god left us to the dogs and to the wims of a cruel nature that we had to fight with absolutly no help. billions have died of illness and billions had no food billions were killed by mankind and we got some help in the afterlife department. sounds a bit fishy to me but i will take what i can get right. all my sins are washed away. because i belive jesus died for my sins.
datzfast 1 year ago
@datzfast
Not sure if you're being sarcastic. You sound very bitter towards God. You'd be wrong to think you can just say I believe Jesus died for my sins and that will automatically gain you eternal life.
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the WILL of My Father in heaven.
John 14:15 If you love me you will keep my commandments. Loving Jesus leads us to give up whatever sin in our lives draws us away from Him.
Indigohue 1 year ago
@Indigohue Now, you aren't. To be in the hands of your Creator you'd have to still be. You cannot "be" once you die. Simple use of philosophical logic. When you die, "you" disappears. All that is left is a corpse. End. I know it's scary, but please stop resorting to childish tactics of "My soul will be taken by God to Heaven". Your "soul", your mind, will die when you die. That's just how it goes. Grow up and deal with it.
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
@BloodspillingSam
For such a staunch atheist you spend an awful lot of time arguing with Christians over something you supposedly don't believe in. It obviously bothers you, as well it should, eternity is a long time to be wrong.
You get no chance to repent after you die. Belief in hell is not a requirement to end up there. You are playing russian roulette with your eternal security.
Provide me with concrete proof that there is no life after death. Yep, thought so, you can't!
Indigohue 8 months ago
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@Indigohue "Provide me with concrete proof that there is no life after death. Yep, thought so, you can't!"
prove that there IS life after death...yep, thought so, YOU CAN'T. shall we keep passing the burden of proof back forth?
neapals 8 months ago
@Indigohue A certain people believed that one's fate after death is determined thus: the deceased are transformed into some sort of a fish; those magical fish that make it across a bridge are the blessed, while the remainder have no eternal life. Since I can't disprove that, I've decided to start walking across bridges as often as possible.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
You can walk across a thousand bridges and it won't help an iota as far as your salvation is concerned.
Atheists love to talk about the flying spaghetti monster and magical fish, but deny the living Son of God who shed His blood on the cross to save sinners from hell. And without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sins!
Face facts, you have blind faith - in absolutely nothing! Whereas the Bible has never been successfully refuted!
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Indigohue 7 months ago
@Indigohue To the contrary, I believe in God, but also believe in pre-destination. No matter what you do, your fate after death will occur. It was determined at the beginning of the universe. You can do nothing to alter that fate whatsoever. This includes walking bridges, saying you believe or do not believe in Jesus or Almighty God, or whatever. If you were pre-destined to heaven, you might murder 10,000 and still go there. If you were pre-destined for Hell, you might save 1,000,000,000 lives.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
I think you need to read the Bible. What you are writing is absolute nonsense.
1 Cor 6-9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
By your own admission you've made God out to be a liar!
Indigohue 7 months ago
@Indigohue . Eph. 1 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Rom 9 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. . . .
God, who created galaxies, determined who would be saved before birth. You cannot change that.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
God gave Adam and Eve free will and that free will has existed ever since.
Your God ordains people to sin, then to repent of the sin that he ordained them to commit. In others words your Calvanistic God is schizophrenic!
Indigohue 7 months ago
@Indigohue There is no free will. God determined whether you will go to heaven or Hell at the beginning of the universe. Eph 1 proved that.. Do you really think a truly Almighty God would not have determined this? Consider Mat. 7" 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? & in thy name have cast out devils? & in thy name done many wonderful works? 23& then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
Rubbish. God gave Adam and Eve free will, but they chose to disobey Him, but that free will has continued ever since.
And Matt 7 22 is referring to those who are Christian hypocrites, who like the pharisees parade around wearing a cloak of self righteousness but behind closed doors commit all manner of sins. That's why the last sentence says, "Depart from me, ye that work INIQUITY (sin).
Jesus said "If you love me you will keep my commandments."
Indigohue 7 months ago
What is good in our eyes was not good in the eyes of persons living a thousand years ago. The eyes of God, by contrast, are beyond time. For we are, all of us, sin filled, like it or not. All of us fall short.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
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@P1B1U1H1
Which is why we all need to repent and find salvation through the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation is a choice.
Acts 2:21
And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Indigohue 7 months ago
@Indigohue Dr. Swango, who murdered over 100 people, appears to fit the bill of the saved. He is wicked in our eyes, but what counts is the definition in the following sentence, viz: he was not known to have been a fornicator, an idolater, an adulterer, effeminate, a thief, a covetous man, a drunkard, a reviler, or an extortioner. An abuser of oneself with mankind is hard to understand; but he was not known to masturbate in public. Why the effeminate must to Hell go is a good question.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
Gal. 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Swango is on his way to hell!
Indigohue 7 months ago
By contrast, Dr. Harold Shipman missed the boat. It would have been fine, his murdering all those little old ladies, had he not altered the wills so as to render himself the beneficiary. That made him a thief!
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
You really need to study the Bible more, if you think murdering is okay in the eyes of God.
Matt 5 21-22 Jesus says, You have heard that our Ancestors were told, ‘You must not murder. If you commit murder, you are subject to judgment.’ But I say, if you are even Angry with someone, you are subject to Judgment! If you call someone an Idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in Danger of the Fires of Hell.”
Indigohue 7 months ago
@Indigohue Murder is so mundane that merely thinking a bad thought becomes its equal. Not so with theft. No. No. No. No.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
Murder is a serious sin, I have no idea why you'd call it mundane.
Indigohue 7 months ago
@Indigohue Crimes against the person are indeed the most serious of sins to us, but not to those just a few centuries ago. Consider Frederick Barbarossa's Peace of the Land from 1152-1157. That was long before the Reformation was felt to be necessary. The death penalty was given for 5 shillings of theft. No penalty waa provisioned for rape. For aggravated assault one simply lost a hand. All King David had to do was to have an infant die.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
Society often gets things wrong and has done throughout the ages. But God's moral law is unchanging and it is what he has written on our hearts and to which our conscience bears witness. It is to Him we are answerable to on Judgment Day.
Indigohue 7 months ago
@Indigohue Society in this case comprises the moral standards of an era, religion, and locale; all societies fall short of the glory of Almighty God. The morality of God is beyond human comprehension. What is certain is that God determined the composition of the elect at the beginning of the universe. No one in any human society can say who is and is not a member of the elect, apart from persons in the bible. There is simply no way that human works can save or human sins damn..
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
I never said we are saved by works, but by Grace. By without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. God's law was given to show people how sinful they really are and to bring the whole world into judgment before Him. We have all fallen short which is why salvation is found only through repentance and being born again through Jesus Christ.
Salvation is a CHOICE.
"For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13
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Indigohue 7 months ago
@Indigohue The choice is that of God, not humanity, viz Romans chapters 9-10. That sovereign choice was made by God before the creation of the world. You have no choice in the matter. What you believe to be a choice of Christ may, in the view of Almighty God, be a false belief. Only God can say what constitutes true faith.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
No, you are wrong. God is sovereign, but he still gave man free will.
If God really only predestined some people from the foundation of the world to be saved and sends the others to hell, Jesus would not have commanded us to preach the gospel. There would be no point!
Repentance is the underlying theme of all prophetic and gospel messages, which implies man can change.
Joshua 24:15 And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, CHOOSE this day whom you will serve.
Indigohue 7 months ago
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@Indigohue God NEVER gave man free will on salvation. Rom 9 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Jesus preached those to whom he was speaking to preach the Gospel.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@P1B1U1H1
Jesus preached more on hell than he did on heaven. What would be the point if no one could change??
Your God condemns men for sins He made them do and then commands them to repent of the sins he made them to do!!!
Like I said before your Calvinistic God is schizophrenic and a monster who gleefully condemns some people, including babies and children to an eternity in hell without a chance to repent.
That makes your God more evil than Satan.
Indigohue 7 months ago
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@Indigohue The reasons God does or does not do anything are not questionable by us. To continue with Romans: 19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
@Indigohue your comments are foul
xxcafe 5 months ago
@Indigohue The further we move away from our religious books, the more civilised we become.
boc1953 11 months ago
@boc1953
Please explain what fault you can find with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Indigohue 11 months ago
@Indigohue Godwin's law : you're doing it right.
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
You have no freedom of religion in Europe...
manny298 1 year ago
@manny298 Totally true... I'm in France and everyone here is free to be of any religion they wish. Jewish, Catholics ( a majority ), Muslims, Buddhists and of course many remain atheists. The LAW even states that we have freedom of religion and opinion.There is a difference between wanting freedom of religion and predominance of your own religion. You want the latter. You simply can't accept that freedom of religion is progressing because it'll lead to the end of religious BS. I hope to see it.
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
I'd like to know why a 5 year old has even heard of the concept of hell. Did this loving, caring mother actually tell a little girl that people who don't believe in God will go to hell? What kind of parent is that? Of course normal moral people find this wholly unproven, barbaric concept despicable, and moral people are right to protect other young people from hearing this nonsense. Shame on you Jenny.
snoberts 1 year ago 7
@snoberts I agree whole heartedly! A 5 year old is not a Christian, she is a child of Christian parents and this woman should be ashamed of herself for indoctrinating this innocent child. Religious belief makes good people do very bad and harmful things...even to those they love...SHAME ON YOU JENNY!
boc1953 11 months ago
@snoberts the problem here is the head teacher thinks he is god. he should stop getting on his high horse and think this is a child. all this trouble over somthing so small. who pays his wages us in our taxes just so the idiot can cause storm to feel inportant the stupid fool
tomato6999 11 months ago
@tomato6999 As a former primary school teacher and a parent I think it is important to take the trouble to ensure that children are not taught evil lies. We must ensure that the filth you regard as "so small", namely the doctrine of hell and eternal torture based on a person's private beliefs, are not presented to children as morality. I praise the head teacher for stepping in to protect this child, and the other children at the school, from the immoral beliefs that the mother taught her child.
TheMortalhuman 11 months ago
@snoberts
"I'd like to know why a 5 year old has even heard of the concept of hell"
--FYI: Its the Christian religion. I'd advise reading something about it. I'm going to assume you live in a country untouched by the publishing of books, television broadcasts, or the publishing of newspapers, and where there is no religion.
Or maybe somehow you live on another planet and have found a way to access YouTube.
NoGuff 10 months ago 3
@NoGuff Hey NoGuff. snoberts here. You may have missed the earlier posts but I am fully aware of the christian religion and all its immoral teachings. It is one of the reasons I am no longer a christian. What I am concerned with is that this parent chose to teach her 5yo child the most immoral and barbaric christian belief, when christian childhood indoctrination usually poisons the child into immoral belief over a longer period, saving the doctrine of hell until the child is more corrupted.
TheMortalhuman 10 months ago
@TheMortalhuman
Thanks, comrade.
NoGuff 10 months ago
@NoGuff Or, you know, he knows the Bible is an outdated piece of crap? Sure, it's fun literature, but nothing to base your life on. Oh, also, he could live in a country where christianity isn't found. Therefore, it wouldn't be part of his culture and you would be proving to be a xenophobic dickwad. If your kid is preaching to other kids, you failed as a parent.
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
@BloodspillingSam
Thank you very much for your Progressive, United Nations sanctioned, Neo-Communist, anti-Christian, hate rant propaganda. You've done a good job as a loyal little brainless indoctrinated drone. Go wash the Che teeshirt you're wearing, put it in the pile for your mother to wash for you, and put on one of the many other Che teeshirts in your drawer, right next to your pagan altar to Saul Alinsky and Karl Marx. Make sure you clean your bongs, too.
NoGuff 8 months ago
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i wish it were more like this in america. if this was an american broadcast it would be the teacher that was in trouble
rollindts44 1 year ago
i wish it were more like this in america. if this was an american broadcast it would be the teacher that was in trouble
rollindts44 1 year ago
I just wonder why the hell you bring up,or talking about jesus.I still think that girl deserved to be slapped,because she claims that the child didnt have right to live,what a cunt child,brought up by an ignorant horrible mother. Just because she is 5 years doesnt mean she can say whatever she wants.Obviously her mother says that to her child that.Where would she otherwise get that.Facts from belief, Its not the fact that they fear going to hell thats bad..but that they claim they have no rights
Tombking2 1 year ago
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badpanda84 1 year ago
I consider it child abuse to teach a five year old that everyone who doesn't believe goes to Hell. What kind of "Christian" fills young children's heads with such terrifying and bigoted ideas?
Mequa32 1 year ago 2
this is the christian persecution that the bible talks about
SpcMedia21 1 year ago
@SpcMedia21: This religious nonsense should not be allowed in a school, a place where you learn about cold hard facts and not some stone age rubbish which has absolutely no evidence for the things it preaches.
MrPragmatism 1 year ago
@MrPragmatism
so what about evolution? there is no factual evidence to that at all, even Darwin acknowledged the fact that his theory made no sense, but he admitted to that fact that his desire to escape The God of the Bible will be pursued at all cost.
Listen, you can try to run from God, but you cannot succeed. one day you will see Him. the question is when you do will He be your Judge, or you Friend. the choice is yours, Evolution and Creation should be taught in schools and let kids decide.
SpcMedia21 1 year ago
@SpcMedia21 No factual evidence for evolution? What rock have you been hiding under? The evidence for evolution is mounting everyday my friend and there is nothing in the Bible, Quran or any other looney religous book which can provide us with the answers that Science does.
Everything you use today has been devised by Science yet you sit here using your instruments of technology to tell us that we are wrong and that your religion is the truth? Alot has progressed since Darwin for the record.
MrPragmatism 1 year ago
@SpcMedia21 Kids are idiots. They'll choose creation because it's easier to remember that "Everything was just made all of a sudden" than to remember how it actually happened. Same reason you tell a child "when a daddy and a mummy love each other very much they make a baby" rather than tell them all about sperm, eggs, phallopian tubes, uteruses etc etc... Easy solution or actual explanation? Seems you choose facility.
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
@SpcMedia21 "Persecution"? The Jews were persecuted on multiple occasions. This? This is just puny whining over the loss of christian domination in society. Oh no, other cultures exist equally to ours and people are now smart enough to belive in equality, laicity and even atheism! Holy shiiiiiiiiiit! Hahaha, you're dumb and screwed with this mentality :)
BloodspillingSam 8 months ago
What if another 5 year old kid said that if you dont believe in allah to that kid shit would hit the fan from another perspective. First of all stop indoctrinating kids second if you want your beliefs forced upon your kids put them in a fucking relligious scool. If you think this vid symphatizes the christian case your dead wrong.
TheAtheistStorm 2 years ago