Some of us don't view Christian Bible camps as "paralyzing young minds". Space camp would be great as well. I respect the fact that some people have not taken the time to read or understand the Bible, and from their viewpoint it seems like rubbish. However, it is extremely condescending to leave comments that insinuate that those of us who believe in God and a literal Biblical history are somehow wasting our time.
If I had kids, I'd rather send them to Space Camp where they can learn up-to-date science and concepts that can actually help humanity get somewhere. Paralyzing young minds through indoctrination is not my idea of money well spent, especially since Ken Ham's "Creation Museum" has become an international embarrassment for the US.
@cadman2300 Thank God you DON'T have kids. Science is GREAT, but without faith is like a car without an engine. It looks nice, but... The "humanity" that you refer to does not even exist as a concept if the children are not educated for love, care, and respect. And you can't find much about that in the science books... :(
FAITH is universally defined as a belief for which there is no tangible evidence. Believing in things that are disproved by tangible evidence is called STUPIDITY. Science is based entirely on evidence, not personal feelings or gut reactions.
Let's also not forget that not all god concepts bring about any of the sentiments that you raise. Being told that people will burn in hell for lack of faith only gives us more reason to criticize religious practices.
People can learn love and respect from all kinds of sources, but for the most part, we get our morality from the societies that we live in and those societies are subject to change over time. This is called Social Evolution and it's why killing a non-virgin wife might have been an acceptable practice 4000 years ago but is considered a crime and human rights violation today.
Science understands this in great detail. Religion gives us an excuse to close our eyes to the outside world.
Like most scientists, you only use the information that supports your opinion... NO, I did not speak about that meaning when I mentioned faith ("blind belief in something for which there is no proof"), but about the classic meaning, of "belief and trust in and loyalty to God" (from feith, fides, fidere - to trust). The real faith/trust does NOT reject evidence. On the contrary, look around to see how perfect this Universe was created (although I bet that you still believe that
everything was an accident), and also talk to the people that have faith and ask them to describe what happened in their lives and how they got their faith. They will bring you plenty of evidence! And I did not mention religion either in my comment, as that is related to what PEOPLE think and do, not God. If SOME people believe that they will burn in hell or that they can kill in the "name of God, that does not prove that God does not exist or that kids should not have faith in God.
Moreover, please remember that Jewish laws were created BEFORE Jesus came to Earth and brought the law of Love over sin, and poor guys did not know better
Do us a favor please and refrain yourself from criticizing the work of Christian parents that want to give their children a moral education, that try to open their children's minds and hearts to make them understand that life is not only a competition and a fight for performance.
Scientists looks at ALL evidence including that which might contradict their hypotheses for they need to consider every factor in order to finalize any conclusion. Ken Ham makes the bogus claim that they only look at one side when it's really the other way around.
Comment two:
Trying to rewrite your context is a bit redundant at this point.
Comment three:
NO scientist has ever said that anything was an accident when natural processes were at work.
Anecdotal testimony is NOT reliable evidence. If they can't offer anything beyond their heartfelt insistence that their experiences were real then their claims become indistinguishable from imagination and I am left with little to go on. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and a disembodied consciousness that created the universe and left no trace of itself other than anthropomorphic stories is quite extraordinary.
Religion very much is related to what people say and do and this is especially the case in countries saturated with religious references. It's this ideology that's used to motivate people to fight in wars and give money to evangelists who promote bigotry in the form of homophobia and false labeling of atheists.
Comment six:
They believed that they were "God's chosen people" just as much as modern fundamentalists. Distancing yourself from them is a Red Herring fallacy.
Your "Christian parents" are placing their kid's education in the hands of an organization that thinks dinosaurs resided in the garden of Eden, that Tyrannosaurus was a vegetarian before the "original sin" of a fictional nude couple, and the asinine idea that teaching evolution will cause the complete collapse of society. If you can think of some reason for me not to criticize that, go ahead and respond. I could use a good laugh.
Your parents probably did not do this (or they did not do it the right way) and that is why you have no interest and respect for Christian views. But if you were lucky to compensate somehow through science and your intelligence above the average, not everybody has this chance, and without moral education they become like "twentyinchsoul" above, f*ing off everybody and everything, because they are too angry, frustrated, and tired. We want BETTER for our kids!
And if you want to learn more about science vs. religion AND faith, I can recommend you a good book, The Merging of Spirit and Science, by Albert Einstein. Quotation: "The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom
wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness." Please don't tell me now that Einstein was not a true scientist
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
The quote you used has absolutely nothing to do with morality and deals more with perception of the universe and the unknown than some stupid AiG-sponsored youth camp.
As far as theism was concerned, Albert Einstein was a pantheist at the very most. Pantheism is the theological position that the term God can refer to everything within perceptible reality. From the universe as a whole all the way down to the smallest subatomic particles. It's an extremely broad position in the way it connects everything in philosophical sense.
But alas, Einstein made his contributions through natural methodology which is the ONLY way science can progress.
@cadman2300 so what? you still posted untrue things about vbs that did not start till this week. i cant help if i try to help the stupid people who believe in science and has to have an answer for everything and will not just accept God and believe Jesus is our Lord and Saviour
where do you find the song there arent any monkeys in my family tree?
dev80mo 9 months ago
We are doing this one with our church this year. Tomorrow is Day 4. It's been a lot of fun this year :)
ashleyster13 1 year ago
Fuck you and leave them kids alone!
twentyinchsoul 1 year ago
Some of us don't view Christian Bible camps as "paralyzing young minds". Space camp would be great as well. I respect the fact that some people have not taken the time to read or understand the Bible, and from their viewpoint it seems like rubbish. However, it is extremely condescending to leave comments that insinuate that those of us who believe in God and a literal Biblical history are somehow wasting our time.
BiblicalLiteracy 2 years ago
As the late PT Barnum said:
"There's a sucker born every minute."
If I had kids, I'd rather send them to Space Camp where they can learn up-to-date science and concepts that can actually help humanity get somewhere. Paralyzing young minds through indoctrination is not my idea of money well spent, especially since Ken Ham's "Creation Museum" has become an international embarrassment for the US.
cadman2300 2 years ago
@cadman2300 Thank God you DON'T have kids. Science is GREAT, but without faith is like a car without an engine. It looks nice, but... The "humanity" that you refer to does not even exist as a concept if the children are not educated for love, care, and respect. And you can't find much about that in the science books... :(
bidulescu 1 year ago
FAITH is universally defined as a belief for which there is no tangible evidence. Believing in things that are disproved by tangible evidence is called STUPIDITY. Science is based entirely on evidence, not personal feelings or gut reactions.
Let's also not forget that not all god concepts bring about any of the sentiments that you raise. Being told that people will burn in hell for lack of faith only gives us more reason to criticize religious practices.
cadman2300 1 year ago
Comment removed
bidulescu 1 year ago
People can learn love and respect from all kinds of sources, but for the most part, we get our morality from the societies that we live in and those societies are subject to change over time. This is called Social Evolution and it's why killing a non-virgin wife might have been an acceptable practice 4000 years ago but is considered a crime and human rights violation today.
Science understands this in great detail. Religion gives us an excuse to close our eyes to the outside world.
cadman2300 1 year ago
Like most scientists, you only use the information that supports your opinion... NO, I did not speak about that meaning when I mentioned faith ("blind belief in something for which there is no proof"), but about the classic meaning, of "belief and trust in and loyalty to God" (from feith, fides, fidere - to trust). The real faith/trust does NOT reject evidence. On the contrary, look around to see how perfect this Universe was created (although I bet that you still believe that
bidulescu 1 year ago
everything was an accident), and also talk to the people that have faith and ask them to describe what happened in their lives and how they got their faith. They will bring you plenty of evidence! And I did not mention religion either in my comment, as that is related to what PEOPLE think and do, not God. If SOME people believe that they will burn in hell or that they can kill in the "name of God, that does not prove that God does not exist or that kids should not have faith in God.
bidulescu 1 year ago
@bidulescu Life was not an accident. Saying something is an accident implies there was an intention. There wasn't and there still isn't an intention.
Sweepingreaper4 1 year ago
@Sweepingreaper4 I apologize. I was not speaking about your life.
bidulescu 1 year ago
Moreover, please remember that Jewish laws were created BEFORE Jesus came to Earth and brought the law of Love over sin, and poor guys did not know better
Do us a favor please and refrain yourself from criticizing the work of Christian parents that want to give their children a moral education, that try to open their children's minds and hearts to make them understand that life is not only a competition and a fight for performance.
bidulescu 1 year ago
First comment:
Scientists looks at ALL evidence including that which might contradict their hypotheses for they need to consider every factor in order to finalize any conclusion. Ken Ham makes the bogus claim that they only look at one side when it's really the other way around.
Comment two:
Trying to rewrite your context is a bit redundant at this point.
Comment three:
NO scientist has ever said that anything was an accident when natural processes were at work.
cadman2300 1 year ago
Comment four:
Anecdotal testimony is NOT reliable evidence. If they can't offer anything beyond their heartfelt insistence that their experiences were real then their claims become indistinguishable from imagination and I am left with little to go on. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and a disembodied consciousness that created the universe and left no trace of itself other than anthropomorphic stories is quite extraordinary.
cadman2300 1 year ago
Comment five:
Religion very much is related to what people say and do and this is especially the case in countries saturated with religious references. It's this ideology that's used to motivate people to fight in wars and give money to evangelists who promote bigotry in the form of homophobia and false labeling of atheists.
Comment six:
They believed that they were "God's chosen people" just as much as modern fundamentalists. Distancing yourself from them is a Red Herring fallacy.
cadman2300 1 year ago
Comment seven:
Your "Christian parents" are placing their kid's education in the hands of an organization that thinks dinosaurs resided in the garden of Eden, that Tyrannosaurus was a vegetarian before the "original sin" of a fictional nude couple, and the asinine idea that teaching evolution will cause the complete collapse of society. If you can think of some reason for me not to criticize that, go ahead and respond. I could use a good laugh.
cadman2300 1 year ago
@bidulescu AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
seylk 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Your parents probably did not do this (or they did not do it the right way) and that is why you have no interest and respect for Christian views. But if you were lucky to compensate somehow through science and your intelligence above the average, not everybody has this chance, and without moral education they become like "twentyinchsoul" above, f*ing off everybody and everything, because they are too angry, frustrated, and tired. We want BETTER for our kids!
bidulescu 1 year ago
And if you want to learn more about science vs. religion AND faith, I can recommend you a good book, The Merging of Spirit and Science, by Albert Einstein. Quotation: "The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom
bidulescu 1 year ago
wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness." Please don't tell me now that Einstein was not a true scientist
bidulescu 1 year ago
Einstein also said something along the lines of:
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
The quote you used has absolutely nothing to do with morality and deals more with perception of the universe and the unknown than some stupid AiG-sponsored youth camp.
cadman2300 1 year ago
And lastly:
As far as theism was concerned, Albert Einstein was a pantheist at the very most. Pantheism is the theological position that the term God can refer to everything within perceptible reality. From the universe as a whole all the way down to the smallest subatomic particles. It's an extremely broad position in the way it connects everything in philosophical sense.
But alas, Einstein made his contributions through natural methodology which is the ONLY way science can progress.
cadman2300 1 year ago
@cadman2300 oh will you just shutup no one gives a rip about your bloody comments. nobody is forcing u to sign your blooming kids up for vbs!
1kissbee 1 year ago
@1kissbee And nobody gives a rip about you poking at a series of criticisms I posted over 4 months ago.
cadman2300 1 year ago
@cadman2300 so what? you still posted untrue things about vbs that did not start till this week. i cant help if i try to help the stupid people who believe in science and has to have an answer for everything and will not just accept God and believe Jesus is our Lord and Saviour
1kissbee 1 year ago
nice video!
MeanHacker 2 years ago