Re: Ignatius of Antioch: Who Reads Him in Context? PART I

[sweet161402]

Without us Catholics the Protestants would have NOTHING of richness of History & yet,they continue to secretly peek into our Church Fathers' writings and have the audacity to turn it,twist it'change it to suit their lies! They are so jealous of our Heritage & yet,they refuse to admit it. All Catholics know this & we feel pity for them.But,We WILL DEFEND THE FAITH OF CHRIST JESUS'CHURCH! Ever wonder Protestants why we are STILL HERE? And will be untill the end of time!

[hooty42079]

Alot of haratics arguing with other haratics about being haratics. Just research history, learn the truth for real, and STOP being a haratic. If you study history, you will learn the only choice about who is the real church could only be either Roman Catholacism or Eastern Orthodox Christianity. So wich one is athentic? HMMM. Papal supremacy? Filoque Harrasy? Papal INFALABILITY?! If you believe that Jesus supports vain glory, willfullness, willfull ignorance, ect. Then by all means be a Roman.

[AWAREOFTRUTHdotCOM]

@PrinceOfGalilee Yeah, I do not agree with "protestantism". Its just as bad as catholicism. I agree with Jesus, thats it. witch trials, lynchings, the klan, Its all bullshit, thats why I stick to Christ. I remember Christ said do not call no one father, but you guys do it all the time. Paul is cool, but I like Christ.

[paulgem123]

Interesting. Don't know James White.

[AWAREOFTRUTHdotCOM]

What about what the Christ said? forget Ignatius, and look at what Christ said. I know it is hard for catholics to look at what Christ and the Apostles taught, being your church is so far from Christ.

[AWAREOFTRUTHdotCOM]

The inquisition was pretty "rude".

[MrDIBBLY]

St Ignatius- Letter to the Smyrnaeans

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop

Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. The celebration of the Eucharist is valid only if it is administered by the bishop or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Where the bishop is, there let the people also be; just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not permitted to baptize or to celebrate an agape without authorization from the bishop.

[prairiemark]

@stinkybonjour  He is a very intelligent man, but not always objective, and his presuppositions lead him in the wrong direction at times.

[Paulkazey1]

The Orthodox Church is the authentic Church. James Whites is good when he debates Muslims and other cults but so wrong when he attacks the historic orthodox Chuch (incl. RC).

[ClockworkOrangeABC]

James White is an angry protestant who is obsessed with Steve Ray.

White's own sister, Patty, recently converted to Catholicism, and her family (husband and children) have ALL converted gradually. James White now refuses to speak to Patty. Patty acknowledges that James once said he would "never" consider that the Catholic Church may be right on their teaching. It's sad that his pride is keeping him away from Christ's One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church.

[rkg62976]

One group can read the Early Church Fathers in their own context.

One group cannot.

I think the division is clear if you listen to Steve Ray and James White. One person quotes the words of Ignatius without even looking at the context; the other person properly identifies the heretical group Ignatius is speaking about in his letter to the Smyrneans.

[Sievad1991]

Major reason for rejection of transubstantiation is the fact that if they admit it then they would have to admit so much more.

"Pride cometh before a fall"

[clarkbailey1973]

@Sievad1991 Can you admit to the real presence of our Lord without transubstantiation...I tend to believe more the EO way than RC...

[gnrhead]

Grow up sbonjour if you post another rude comment you will be banned

[jesserobertray]

Great! You rock. keep defending.