Add in the math behind the amount of freshwater needed to keep all of these animals alive, and the storage space of said water. I know humans must have water every three days. So factor in what is necessary for survival only. Food as well.
Nobody ever asks why an all powerful being needed Noah to do any of this at all? Couldnt he wipe everybody out by himself and remake all the animals? I guess the writer of this STORY didnt consider that.
Kind of animals. Dogs have many species but all can come from 2 dogs. Many species of cats come from the cat family... Noah brought young elephants not full grown. This is common sense stuff.
@wulfone Well I think you mean "genus". The species is called Canis lupus, the different races of dogs are called "subspecies". But if Noah only took one pair of each genus of animals he would have had to decide wether to take dogs, wolves, coyotes or jackals. It would however explain why all other human species have died out.
god is not real end of story theres no invisible man in the sky judging people and watching everything you do to decide if you go to a cloud filled paradise or a place that resembles the core of the earth
but you know what's funny i,& alot of other christians always have respect for others believes, but guys like you, evolutionists always have to say that science disproves God, you think we are mentally ill and i dont think thats fair, your theory has its gaps too,&evidence found against it is mostly avoided or been seen as not significant,you make up evidence yourself so the theory stands...like dark energy/matter,i mean ever seen that?no so thats blind faith too for no reason
@nielsb12345 no it doesent its fact bro have you never learned evolution if you have'nt learned it your either 12 very religious or to old to have it as a teenager its fact bro and no i think your to arrogant to get disprooved and still stand by it constantly just because it was how you were raised up as. done
haha i think i have learned evolution a little bit better then you bro
for years i thought evolution was proven but the more i was taught about it the more i saw how many gaps there are, how small the chance is of a single aminoacid to form itsself.that most mutations in dna are bad instead of good...you are disrespectful for the fact that you are calling me arrogant while you avoid evidence againt your assumed to be proven theory
@nielsb12345 no you havent and amino acids rofl thats in your body its not a organism rofl and do you mean cells form other cells the cell theory? there are no gaps they even got like the 20-30 different forms of homosapiens from current homosapiens back to Australopithecus and dna? you mean the thing with rna that makes you have your traits from your ancestors? my dad has blue eyes i have blue eyes is that to hard for you to understand.and btw theorys are facts till disprooven
@nielsb12345 Actually science disproves god. "f it is proven so what God could have used it to create us, i mean no christian know how He created us,& if one says so he is out of its mind." So now you're taking science and saying "god did it"? Wow. Of course we dont know now, and we may never know. But science doesnt say " oh god did it". Science proves. Yes, if you believe in zombies, and living in fish, why the hell shouldnt we think you're mentally ill? There is "dark energy/energy"duhh.
@paramattic70 i am a christian and i dont fully agree with you but i noticed alot christians indeed live like that, i just want you to know that that is not how God wants a christian to live!! but still i dont agree with you i mean: 1, where did your multiverse came from then? 2,science proves so 3,a duck doesnt talk so thats true indeed 4,hmm that is debatable! 5,i know alot do just so but that is wrong! 6,that doesnt make sence to me either! 7, ???
We used to believe that the world was flat. We used to and some still do that nothing travels faster than light........ I do think its a local story told by locals. So your math is fine but I do not have to have divine intervention to believe this story. I don't believe all the poems I read but some move me emotionally and I am not going to use fairytales to mold my morals. The math was fun.
Your first critical error is assuming that mt. Whereat was in existence at the time of the flood story! Most geologist will tell you that early in the planets history the mountains were fewer and much shorter than as seen today.
Second critical error is number of species. The bible says kind I.e. Dogs. Where there are well over 100 species of dogs you only need a couple/2 dogs as a blue print to make the variation you see today.
Just wanted to say that the Hebrew text doesn't specify a global flood. Based on the ways similar words are used in other Genesis stories, it is acceptable to say that the Genesis flood was regional. So the traditional story is definitely wrong, but the text itself is most likely correct.
Let me start by saying that I do not believe in a god or sky being. But was the earth not once covered by ice and is ice not water. Not I know when water freezes that it mass expands but it is still water. So therefore if you believe that ice ball earth did happen there the earth was covered in water.
@qtpwqt I'm pretty sure that when that happened, continents hadn't breached the surface of the water yet. Therefore when the ice covering all melted, it would still leave a planet covered in water. Then, after millions of years the continents were pushed above the surface of the water.
You see, you stupid rationalists, the Bible is just metaphorical symbolism. If you don't believe in faith, you are a fool. I'm a Muslim, the Koran and it's tails of Mohamid flying horses to Jerusalem make much more sense. The Talmud + Sharia > Secular Law. Separation of church and state? Santorum.
Simply brilliant. Congratulations on an interesting and entertaining scientific rebuttal of an ancient nomadic herders' legend that holds way too much sway over people today.
@Gilmaris Sad, but true. Our knowledge of science has advanced much faster than our poor primitive brains can deal with. We still need to cling to the idea of a Daddy-God who will fix all our problems and tell us what to do.
Cont: I.E since you dont know how tall the mountains were or just how many trenches and vallies that we have now that did not exist then... You can't say with any certainty that the flood did not indeed cover the mountains. There are plenty of evidenses of a global flood. Secular science cherry picks their data to support what they want it to and discard the rest of the data. Many scientists have lost funding & jobs attempting to report what the see because it doesnt support the anti-God agenda.
@Moving2U "since you dont know how tall the mountains were or just how many trenches and vallies that we have now that did not exist then" Actually, due to the process of isostasy and the known densities of rock, as well the extensive mapping that has been done we can tell very closely how high these ancient mountain ranges were. And we do find a great many infilled valleys, canyons, and caves. All showing very ancient sedimentation processes. No global flood.
Genesis 10: The dividing of a single super-continent into multiple continents known today.
The shifting of tectonics, the crashing of one plate system into another, one land mass into another, surface and under water volcanoes erupting... Many things are responsible for the mountains and vallies that we have now. There are zero reasons to believe that todays topography is anything like that at the time of the flood. You can't disprove the mountains weren't covered.
huh you are saying that dinosaurs were on the Ark? uhm i believe they were already dead...
i dont know if the flood was global or not,in the vid they said that wasnt possible,cause where did all te water came from...well probably God took care of that:P
but the flood doesnt have to be global if you know the story God let Noah build an Ark so that He could show his love by giving humanity a new chance/start.maybe not for the whole world but for that place only...
@nielsb12345 Is that what you consider to be a well thought out argument? Well, the world needs burger flippers too. Have at it. Hope you like life at minimum wage. Now, let's get back to point - if Noah existed at all, his flood was local, not global. There is no proof of a global flood, and what IS found, directly rules that possibility out. Now I recommend that you pick up a basic geology text and get educated before you get schooled publicly.
kind of strange that almost every tribe, every religion and every other kind of faith has a story about a great flood likely all based on the story of Noah.
and i already said once here that the flood indeed could be local i mean why not? for them it was the whole world that stood underwater,at least for as far as they could see,so that is possible
im not going to argue with you if evolution could have happened or noah's story...its a religion, you have to believe it without prove.
i mean for evolution is a small chance yet you believe in that i suppose. so have a little more respect you have no idea to who you are talking, you have zero respect; learn to behave and dont make a discussion personal. you should get eduacted on communication
@nielsb12345 As I see that you are not a native English speaker, I can see your point. My apologies. You are trying to communicate a complex series of concepts in a language that you do not have a full command of and so perhaps I'm misinterpreting your commentary? But this is not about evolution, this is about geology. So let's cover that, shall we? How to explain the number of flood stories? Agrarian cultures living along floodplains of course have flood stories. That's expected.
and i agree with you that the flood could have been local, instead of the entire earth it could just be the entire world for them, and instead of all the animals of the earth only the animals that were there at the moment, then it would be possible to explain it by science i think? and the story was told from man to man and so alot of other almost the same stories appeared in other cultures?
@nielsb12345 Possible. Ever hear about "fish stories"? They grow with the telling. It's also possible that an impact event could've been the root cause of the Noah myth. But for the various other myths around the world? These come from primarily agrarian populations. And the best farming is on floodplains.Now a close examination shows that all these stories vary in what, who, how, why they were saved. There's no common link other than flooding.
i agree with you. i am a christian but i dont think everything in the bible should be taken literally! Noah could have been a farmer on a floodplain and maybe he saved two of every animals of his farm?i dunno..(a)
the scale of the disaster could have been overrated too i mean, in iraq when a local says there were 100's of talibans there normally are like 10 if not less, so that could have happened here aswell!
@nielsb12345 But it's the word of god. Therefore, all what he says is true. Who are you to pick what you want from the Bible, and avoid what you dislike? Are you doubting of God's whisdom?
yeah i didnt say that is wasnt true now did I...i dont avoid what i dislike, im just saying that, look if they proof evolution to me that doesnt mean the bible is false if they prove the earth is really millions of years old to me that could be, if you dont like that thats your problem but how do you know how God made the earth? maybe He used a big bang for it, i mean was you there?does the bible says different? no, do i doubt God for saying that...no...who are you to judge me
@nielsb12345 The Bible has been proofed to be billions od years old (throught different methods), and the Theory of Evolution... is a theory, so it's not been totally proofed to be true, but it has enough logical support to claim it's true. Oh, and by that argument (that I wasn't there to see thee creation of the Earth), I could also say that God didn't create the Universe (because I wasn't there) and that my grandfather didn't exist (because he died before I was born).
dude i think you mis my point, all im saying is that it could be possible..not that it is THE only truth...for all i know God sneezed and there was the earth....
we dont know how it happened i believe God created us, but how? i have no fucking idea and neither do you so shut up and read comments better before you react and judge people for something they say, try to understand a comment before overreacting cause now you are wrong
@nielsb12345 You have no fucking idea how the Earth was created. Therefore, God did it? Logic fail. You just DON'T KNOW, but you can read about it, so you can know more about what happened some billions of years ago. Of course, you won't discover all the truth by this time, and can't be sure that the theories we have now are 100% accurate, but at least they're closer to reality than some God that did it. "God did it" is used, as you said, when "i have no fucking idea".
no that is not the reason why i believe God did it...logic fail of yours read my comments better dude
im only saying that even if evolution is proven that doesnt mean that God doesnt exist... at least i have respect for people who believe otherwise, appearently you dont.but wait a minute in your first comment you said that I doubted Gods wishdom, but you are no chirstian at all, so who are you to say even so...
im not going into discussion with you, you have no idea what you are talking about, first you act like if you are a christian saying that everything in the bible is true, then you say the bible is billions of years old..wtf, then evolution is better then God because the theory can be supported,but have u any idea how many evidence there's against evolution? so what are you talking boy, first u say that then the opposite...what do you want haha
@nielsb12345 I know more than you think I know. I've read the whole Bible. I've been a Christian myself (the largest part of my life). It's not only about evolution, it's about morals found in the Bible. The church only shows the passages showing love and union (which is actually good), but they hide the incest, murder, etc. found in it too. About evolution, there's plenty of evidence supporting it too. In the other hand, God hasn't got any...
so than why are you no christian anymore, you sound like if you think that it is evolution vs God, but i think they can both be true, the bible has no clear answer of how God created the earth. so im not saying evollution isnt true im only saying that it is not fully proven yet, and if so then that doesnt mean God doesnt exist...
i know there is alot of violence in the bible but you know too that God didnt want that in the first place
@nielsb12345 He may not have wanted that in the first place, BUT if God is omnipotent, therefore he knew what was going to come. He knew what was going to happen, all the violence an murder. If he didn't know, then he isn't omnipotent.
God loves us, otherwise He wouldnt send His Son to die and save us!
on the otherhand God is also justice, He cant do something that is against His wil, and His wil is always the same,for He is, was and will come.
there is indeed no evidence for God, if you dont believe,if you do you;ll see Gods work everywhere, also a man from my church had two legs with different lenghts,they prayed for it and now he has two simular legs!
i know my last arguement isnt strong because i cant prove it to you, but it is true!!
i havent seen so many people crying at the same time for my entire life...!! i know it is hard to believe in something you cant see, but that is why it is a believe and not a theory, if you have read the bible you also know that God wont let Himself be proven to men.
@nielsb12345 Yes, I read it too. But that seems contradictorial, because if he really didn't want to show any evidence, he wouldn't have send "his son" Jesus to die, or tell some people to write the Bible.
@nielsb12345 I feel happy for him. But I'm almost sure that without medical attention, that's impossible. If it happened without it, then I don't know what could have happened, but that's not evidence of God whatsoever. After all, science has already studied the efficacy of prayer, but there isn't any scientific consensus because of the contradictorial results. What has been proofed is the psychological effect of prayer, which is most likely a placebo.
you dont know anything about God/Jesus, therefor i keep it simple
it was a big sacrifice because when Jesus died He went to hell,see the bible,there He defeated dead not the dead of this body but the dead of your soul. if you accept that you will be forgiven
@Moving2U There was no flood, ergo, your question is not relevant. The chemical composition of just one formation shows this clearly. The base assumption you make is that there was a flood. I'm suprised that this point of logic eluded you so easily.
@NorthForkFisherman Then you are ignorant that your scientists who dont believe in God, do agree that there was a world wide flood, they just dont want it to be associated with God. Go to the top of any mountain you wish, collect seashells and shut up.
@Moving2U Sounds like somebody has their panties in a knot. How about we collect salt, hon? You know, about 9 trillion cu meters of it in one formation alone. The chemistry, physics and math of which, directly rule out said mythical flood. Now it's entirely possible that a local flood got bigger in the retellings over time. But a global flood? Given ALL the data (which creationists studiously avoid) it's not only a myth, it's not even possible. So, you got anything more to say? I've got PLENTY!
@Moving2U Basic geology/orogeny FAIL. Are you really that big an ignoramus that you don't understand that most basic fact? Da Vinci understood it. His examination of Pozzuoli and it's evidence proved it quite clearly to him, As did those "seashells". And while you really aren't worthy to carry his chamberpot, you do have tools that the genius Leonardo did not have, and so have no excuse. Check out Thermopylae, too. So, wanna talk about salt and chemistry now?
what btw also is pretty funny is that almost every culture/religion/believe talks about a great flood, all of them describe the flood the same; like date and stuff
@nielsb12345 No, there are many differences among flood stories, like who survived. There are many mermaid, ape-man, or sun god stories, are they real?
3. u also claim that there is no way all the animals could fit on the ark because there aint enough volume,,well that can be challenged to:billion of the animals that you say were on the ark are smaller than a mouse....they are called insects leaving enough space for bigger animals...
4. comming back at nr2,u say God can never raise a flood so high that it would cover the mt Everest...well u forgot that if u believe He created the earth so high likely he can create a lil' more H2O aswell:P
hmm i see a couple of things that arent right in your arguments.
1. you claim that the water level couldnt rise above the mt Everest. but the point is is that the bible is mostly written in what you see is what you write-style. what means that for them the highest mountain probaply the highest on the earth, also for them the whole world was under water but the whole world doesnt need to mean the ENTIRE earth but maybe only the earth that they knew...
Both obviously happened ONCE - EVEN BEFORE NOAH'S FLOOD.
When you are talking about a 13 billion plus year old universe, intelligence has had a long time to develop. 13 billion is longer than 4 billion (earth age, per you scientists).
So YOU MAY NOT BE THE MOST INTELLIGENT BEING IN THE UNIVERSE.
@themanningsjdsjjj And that's why we keep looking at the stars and the skies, Hoping we can see these other beings. But i highly doubt they'll be anywhere around us.
Ah, the scientists are always right. It could never happen. There was a big bang and it was purely random; we are the product of evolution; global warming is not real; yada, yada, yada. Mars was once covered in water the same scientists say, and the water just went away.
Newton knew everything. Nope. Proven wrong later on. Just because you can not answer the question today does not mean it won't be answered tomorrow. The answer is to change the question. 1st, where could extra H20 come from?
Lol, he bases all of his arguments on strawmen! Wohoo!
One million species? More like 8000 was required. You don't need Chihuahuas, poodles and wolves. You only need two wolf-like creatures. You can then breed all the other from that.
And yes, dinosaurs was taken on the ark. The average size of dinosaurs were not large. Also, he didn't need to bring full adults, he could have brought eggs or babies.
er no - 4000 years (more like 2000) is not enough time for all those new species to evolve.
The people who believe in this rubbish don't believe in evolution over millions of years, so how can they believe it could happen in just 2000-4000 years?
@jazzx251 Kinds and species are not really the same thing. Natural selection is very real. You can breed a poodle from a wolf, but not the other way around. Natural selection works, not evolution however, which adds information (in some pseudo-scientific way).
You can NOT breed a poodle from a wolf - you need to select for the poodle's traits over hundreds of generations. Getting from a wolf (the common ancestor of all dogs) to any small yappy thing with curly fur takes way more than 2000 years.
@PirateXzibit Define "kinds" There doesnt seem to be that term in any biology textbook! What? You made it up? You can define it as you wish? You mean that you're being dishonest?
@PirateXzibit how does removing a few breeds of domestic dog take the number from millions to thousands?? Especially given that the number of species he's quoting doesn't include minor variations within a given species. Sorry mate, but you're off by 3 orders of magnitude with your argument (as if you even understand what an order of magnitude is)
@PirateXzibit The wolf species does not contain dogs because they are different species (poodles and chih's etc). . .and since you are advocating only taking wolves you must believe in evolution. Thank you for confirming evolution for us; we will tell your pastor and have you thrown out into the streets where there is grinding and gnashing of textbooks and the hard work of science. PS he was very generous since there are over 2 Mil species of insects alone not to mention arthropods
And don't forget the part that the Americans have added to the story: the Grand Canyon was the Great Drain Pipe for all that flood water! Then where's the drain itself?
Where was all the food stored on the ark for the diet requirements of the 1.2 million species? The food would have taken up more space than the animals did.
Once the ark ran aground in Turkey, how did marsupials find their way back to Australia and polar bears back to the Arctic? How did squirrels get to N. America?
Here's another wrench I throw into the running engine. How much frozen glacier existed at the time of the biblical flood? How much exposed land and ocean was there? Was mount everest already encased in ice during the flood? NOTE: glacier is known to dam lakes and break. The correct translation of the Hebrew word "world" is "age". The bible mentions 3 worlds"ages".
@ironman197268 Rock layers in China showed that meteors weren't the only cause of the dinosaurs extinction they have also discovered volcanic activities and a lower to no oxygen levels through out the entire earth also a higher acidic level in oceans killing all reptile,shell fish ,including LAMP SHELLS. For a half-million years geologist find no life or vegetation. BUT evolutionist refuse to believe total extinction when the proof is physically there.
whos to say that tall mountains like everest existed before the flood? its likely that while waters rose earths structure changed significantly. but also if mountains & such DID exist the volume that they take up on the earths surface is not accounted for in these calculations. therefore the suggestion that 4 times more water was needed is invalid. as stated theres about 1360000000 km^3 of water & if there were no mountains (which is completely plausible) waters would only need to rise to 687m.
a few scholars say that there were only about 2'000 animals housed (760 square feet each), a lot more say 35'000 (43 square feet each). these numbers are low due to the numbers that could survive the flood and noah didn't house every single creature but just selected hooved and unhooved animals. both numbers are plausible for the ark to hold.
Bible verses so easily explained yet not even a so called educated person can comprehend it. NO MATTER how many quote's ,reference, and new scientific finding there mind are at a "stuck point" nothing can make there thought to progress.
Atheist, in a nutshell ,is plain LAWLESSNESS. The bible is law,God law and it starts at the thought pattern before action. Christain did away with this law and atheist mock it (mock everything even there own discoveries). Jesus warned it will happen again, and AGAIN only a small handful of people will be saved for the next world.
The story of noah's is to happen again but not as a flood but a WORLDWIDE chaos. Josh preach and warned the people to repent,and obey the laws or god will allow a great catastrophe to happen,and the people went on with there LAWLESSNESS.
@NorthForkFisherman In genesis verse 1 "god created the heavens(physical universe) and the earth(physical)" this is the first creation ,and millions-billions of years has gone by till the second verse " the earth BECAME void(chaos) ",there's a time gap between both verses(enough time for coals) meaning that the 7 days is not the creation day but the re-creation as it written in psalm 104:30
@fanofthewettwat I've seen live and dead animals,trees ,brush,bushes,fruits,apples,nuts,floating after a small flood. How much more on a massive flood?
@pillowhole What you're really asking is, "doesn't the fact of coal deposits prove there was a flood?", am I right? To answer your question, no. There's simply TOO MUCH biomatter entrained in sedimentary deposits for there to have been a global flood as per a literal reading of Genesis. Many processes in life and geology are highly exothermic. That heat has to go somewhere, and the amount released simply rules our the story of Noah as a literal event.
What IF the land was different before the flood,more flatter. Also animals that can fly and swim don't need to be in the ark. And what if the animals were young babies? Science say that each different type of animals all had one main ancestry line.
@erikasnipples ~80K years is the physical limit of the C dating technique due to the inability of measuring the resulting small ratio of C14:C12. The age conclusion of the test relies on certain unproven assumptions such as consistency of decay rate and the starting ratio of C14:C12 in the atmosphere of the past. Evidence indicates that both of these assumptions are wrong. Test results giving much older than 10K years then are likely to be inaccurate.
@erikasnipples Exactly erika. Amazes me how these bible bangers refuse to believe something that is so obvious because it doesn't quite jive with their spiritual beliefs. This is when faith clouds common sense.
@rockersuzie "...completely and insanely asinine". That's because you've been indoctrinated into the idea that it HAS to be that old because of the assumption that biological evolution is true.
That facts are that there are millions of dead things buried in/under layers of rock all around the world. This is exactly would you would expect to find if the Biblical Flood were true. Evidence supports the recentness of their burial: unfossilized parts of T.Rex!
@rockersuzie LOL, could not agree more suzie. It amazes me how christians simply refuse to believe carbon dating and fossils because the science doesn't jive with their beloved bible. Ya can't even talk to them about it, its completely ridiculous.
@lezgolezbo Carbon dating only goes back <100K years.
Fossils are "dated" by their location in the layers of sedimentary rock and the assumption is that the lowest are the oldest (megayears) and highest are the youngest. Those are unproven assumptions.
Good science and Scripture correctly interpreted do not conflict. "God has ordered all things by measure, number and weight." (Wis 11:21) Much of the Bible is not literal but God sometimes used real people and events to convey His message.
@staceycrazyishere Yes, dino's on the Ark. Could've been young, so they were small. There are only about 55 different genera (roughly "kinds"), covering the 600+ named dino's.
The space in the ark was ~ 500 tractor-trailers. Plenty of space for representatives of the roughly 8000 animal genera (of land vertebrates) to live for a year.
@AmericanBerean LOL. Wow. That is quite an accomplishment considering that science has proven that dinosaurs went extinct 65 Million years ago. But let me guess, you are one of those bible bangers who actually believe the earth is no older than 10,000 years.
@ironicman197268 "science has proven that dinosaurs went extinct 65 Million years ago". That is false. Science has not proven that. The evidence can be interpreted to imply that (based on certain unproven assumptions), but the scientific method cannot PROVE any model of origins. That would require repeatable experimentation.
The Biblical flood event is plausible, as Scripture describes it, and is nonsensical only to those who accept UPROVEN ASSUMPTIONS about the world and history.
", do you believe that these types of animals made it on the Ark?"
You are ignorant of the what a concept is, animal, species, difference is only a concept. In reality the universe exists as one whole. You are not a human being, or a individual these are but concepts of the mind.
@staceycrazyishere The GReat deluge was a massive flood which covered a large portion of the area where Noah lived, being 800 years old he was wise in science and predicted the flood by his scintific studies. It's been proven that Solomon was also a scientist, and the word magic came into being because of the first science. The earth peoples, rocks people, its God manifisting itself, u call it evolution. The brow grows ur entire life and if you where 900 u'd be a neanderthal. Look it up!
@staceycrazyishere dinosaurs are only reptiles, reptiles grow there entire lives, and when the oxygen levels where double (proven in science), and the earth still had it's rings, either from a astroriod hitting or they slowly dispest over time( three planets of our 9 have ICE rings) the reptiles would continue to grow until reaching massive "be-he-moth" (book of job) sizes. A 300 year old lizard is a dino, and some still live in deep water lakes, and the congo in smaller form. cont.
@psychichamsters I didnt watch the video, but now i did and there misrepresenting "kinds" and talking about the numoruoes species, pretty stupid no matter how you look at it
As a Christian, I too can see that Noah's ark is nonsense from any reasonable and rational attempts to explain it. But I'll have to take the weak way out and say God did it.
@5355vbxjbj76rvn .....no, it says, "all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died" (Genesis 7:22)
As an example, bugs aspirate through their skin/exoskeletons so the verse is not talking about them. The same would go for all creatures living in the water and I suspect some creatures such as alligators, who breath through their nostrils but spend most of their lives in the water.
Again, if you read the details, Genesis appears very accurate.
As an example of a Great Flood that did happen, check out the Ice Age floods of eastern Washington state. Of course, those happened before the supposed age of the world by Young Earth advocates, but they could have been witnessed by immigrants from Asia and incorporated into their creation myths.
everything in the sea would be dead; rain is fresh water and since there will be much more water in rainfall than was already water on the earth, the salt water oceans would be so deluded that all the animals that live in salt water would die. And what about the plants? Noah took no plants on the arc, so every plant on earth would be dead. Did god just recreate the plants? if so, why the FUCK did god make Noah take all the animals? couldn't god just have recreated them?
If religion can't use miracles to explain Noah's Ark, then science can't start from step 2 with the Big Bang. Granted, maybe the earth was created from a big bang, but what made that happen? What "Banged" that it was "Big"? Obviously something existed, and if it did, how did it get there?
@ykjt91 where did god come from? If he came from nothing then why do you have a problem believing the Big Bang came from nothing? God can't have always existed because as theists so often point out there cant be an infinite regress - which is exactly what a god would be if he always existed. Therefore, god must have an origin. Who created god? again, if you say god dosen't need a creator, your whole argument is moot, as you just would have conceded that something can exist without being created.
there are to many variables to break this down to science... such as: How many humans were on Earth? What altitude were they at? Maybe it wasn't the WHOLE Earth that was flooded. When did this actually happen? etc...
@Andy97009814 yea... most people thought the Earth was flat so how would the know where the highest mountain was? ... that's why!!... was the whole world as populated as it is today?... you believe one part of the Bible but not the other?... I'm jus sayin this dude has a science based on what he thinks he knows but really no one knows
@Losdouble I don't believe in the bible what so ever. I just told you what it says. And in case I was unclear: a new paragraph means responding to your next point. I'll be clearer next time.
@Andy97009814 Well almost 50 civilizations around that time have a story of a great flood back then... civilizations that did not ever cross paths.. I agree the whole world probably was not flooded like what we would imagine but obviously something happened... you jus can't dimiss one story when several civilizations tell a simular story (ie. Sumerians story of Gilamesh).... Hopi Indians have a legend in which their ancestors escaped a great flood... why do i waste time arguing with idiots? smh
@Losdouble Yes, something happened. Something happen Dec 26 2004 too. Floods are normal, so it's not weird that many tales of floods exists. But the story of Noah's Ark just does not make sense. How did four men get the strength to build a boat that big in that short period of time? How did he get all the animals on it? How did he make sure the animals didn't eat each others?
And thanks for insulting me with no good reason to do so.
We have sea shells on the tops mts. Water didn't have to reach 7 miles because mts crumbled earth shook.& turned inside out. Mts crumbling into oceans makes huge waves. Instead of adults many baby animals and preg females only. Many animals do can & will feed another breed. How big is a puppy compare to a adult dog? Sorry but your not convincing me. It's so funny when science say waves can be miles high you believe it,untill it relates to the bible. The last days will be as the days of Noah.
@wulfone Yep.
MIT2004 5 days ago
lol do he knew his talking about the first earth age
msalah2341 2 weeks ago
Add in the math behind the amount of freshwater needed to keep all of these animals alive, and the storage space of said water. I know humans must have water every three days. So factor in what is necessary for survival only. Food as well.
BaCkWeRdZ 2 weeks ago
Nobody ever asks why an all powerful being needed Noah to do any of this at all? Couldnt he wipe everybody out by himself and remake all the animals? I guess the writer of this STORY didnt consider that.
FPChris 2 weeks ago
Thank you. Im claiming wolves have a doglike common ancester. Evolution claims they came from a rock that wad rained on billions of yrs ago
wulfone 3 weeks ago
@wulfone ''Evolution claims they came from a rock that wad rained on billions of yrs ago'' Strawman Argument.
Darwin wrote, "Origin of Species'' Not the 'Origin of everything'.
Stop getting your science from Hovind.
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
Kind of animals. Dogs have many species but all can come from 2 dogs. Many species of cats come from the cat family... Noah brought young elephants not full grown. This is common sense stuff.
wulfone 3 weeks ago
@wulfone Well I think you mean "genus". The species is called Canis lupus, the different races of dogs are called "subspecies". But if Noah only took one pair of each genus of animals he would have had to decide wether to take dogs, wolves, coyotes or jackals. It would however explain why all other human species have died out.
8523wsxc 3 weeks ago
Kinds of animals not species
wulfone 1 month ago
@wulfone Define kind.
InternetDarkLord 4 weeks ago
@wulfone kinds is not doable either. There would be even less genetic variety for any to survive for long.
FPChris 2 weeks ago
The Lord raised the land.
wulfone 1 month ago
@wulfone Cite physical evidence.
InternetDarkLord 4 weeks ago
@wulfone lol really? Then why did he need Noah at all?
FPChris 2 weeks ago
god is not real end of story theres no invisible man in the sky judging people and watching everything you do to decide if you go to a cloud filled paradise or a place that resembles the core of the earth
pur3k0 1 month ago
@pur3k0
indeed you do got a point you cannot proof God, true you need blind faith, but hey that is how we call it.
on the other hand i dont think science disproves God, 1. evolution is not fully proven, there is alot only assumed to be true
2. if it is proven so what God could have used it to create us, i mean no christian know how He created us,& if one says so he is out of its mind.
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@pur3k0
but you know what's funny i,& alot of other christians always have respect for others believes, but guys like you, evolutionists always have to say that science disproves God, you think we are mentally ill and i dont think thats fair, your theory has its gaps too,&evidence found against it is mostly avoided or been seen as not significant,you make up evidence yourself so the theory stands...like dark energy/matter,i mean ever seen that?no so thats blind faith too for no reason
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 no it doesent its fact bro have you never learned evolution if you have'nt learned it your either 12 very religious or to old to have it as a teenager its fact bro and no i think your to arrogant to get disprooved and still stand by it constantly just because it was how you were raised up as. done
pur3k0 1 month ago
@pur3k0
haha i think i have learned evolution a little bit better then you bro
for years i thought evolution was proven but the more i was taught about it the more i saw how many gaps there are, how small the chance is of a single aminoacid to form itsself.that most mutations in dna are bad instead of good...you are disrespectful for the fact that you are calling me arrogant while you avoid evidence againt your assumed to be proven theory
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 no you havent and amino acids rofl thats in your body its not a organism rofl and do you mean cells form other cells the cell theory? there are no gaps they even got like the 20-30 different forms of homosapiens from current homosapiens back to Australopithecus and dna? you mean the thing with rna that makes you have your traits from your ancestors? my dad has blue eyes i have blue eyes is that to hard for you to understand.and btw theorys are facts till disprooven
pur3k0 1 month ago
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@nielsb12345 Actually science disproves god. "f it is proven so what God could have used it to create us, i mean no christian know how He created us,& if one says so he is out of its mind." So now you're taking science and saying "god did it"? Wow. Of course we dont know now, and we may never know. But science doesnt say " oh god did it". Science proves. Yes, if you believe in zombies, and living in fish, why the hell shouldnt we think you're mentally ill? There is "dark energy/energy"duhh.
ryan6627 1 month ago
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Laws of Creation/Intelligent Design
1st- something can come from nothing as long as God did it.
2nd- energy can be created and destroyed.
3rd- if it walks, talks, looks, sounds, tastes and smells like a Duck and says it's a Duck, it's Not.
4th- if you don't understand something, God did it.
5th- when all logic, reason and common sense are against you, quote the Bible.
6th- the Bible is proof that the Bible is true so quoting the bible is fact.
7th- denial is the path to enlightenment.
paramattic70 1 month ago
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Laws of Creation/Intelligent Design
1st- something can come from nothing as long as God did it.
2nd- energy can be created and destroyed.
3rd- if it walks, talks, looks, sounds, tastes and smells like a Duck and says it's a Duck, it's Not.
4th- if you don't understand something, God did it.
5th- when all logic, reason and common sense are against you, quote the Bible.
6th- the Bible is proof that the Bible is true so quoting the bible is fact.
7th- denial is the path to enlightenment.
paramattic70 1 month ago
Laws of Creation/Intelligent Design
1st- something can come from nothing as long as God did it.
2nd- energy can be created and destroyed.
3rd- if it walks, talks, looks, sounds, tastes and smells like a Duck and says it's a Duck, it's Not.
4th- if you don't understand something, God did it.
5th- when all logic, reason and common sense are against you, quote the Bible.
6th- the Bible is proof that the Bible is true so quoting the bible is fact.
7th- denial is the path to enlightenment.
paramattic70 1 month ago
nielsb12345 1 month ago
We used to believe that the world was flat. We used to and some still do that nothing travels faster than light........ I do think its a local story told by locals. So your math is fine but I do not have to have divine intervention to believe this story. I don't believe all the poems I read but some move me emotionally and I am not going to use fairytales to mold my morals. The math was fun.
nuromance 1 month ago
Typo correction.
Whereat = Everest
WESTERLUND2 1 month ago
To the maker of this video:
Your first critical error is assuming that mt. Whereat was in existence at the time of the flood story! Most geologist will tell you that early in the planets history the mountains were fewer and much shorter than as seen today.
Second critical error is number of species. The bible says kind I.e. Dogs. Where there are well over 100 species of dogs you only need a couple/2 dogs as a blue print to make the variation you see today.
But otherwise your math would be co
WESTERLUND2 1 month ago
@WESTERLUND2 1. Mount Everest would have been much TALLER if a huge 40 day downpour hit it and eroded it.
2. Bible kinds do not exist, have you heard of INCEST and INBREEDING?
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
Just wanted to say that the Hebrew text doesn't specify a global flood. Based on the ways similar words are used in other Genesis stories, it is acceptable to say that the Genesis flood was regional. So the traditional story is definitely wrong, but the text itself is most likely correct.
obits3 1 month ago
Let me start by saying that I do not believe in a god or sky being. But was the earth not once covered by ice and is ice not water. Not I know when water freezes that it mass expands but it is still water. So therefore if you believe that ice ball earth did happen there the earth was covered in water.
qtpwqt 1 month ago
@qtpwqt I'm pretty sure that when that happened, continents hadn't breached the surface of the water yet. Therefore when the ice covering all melted, it would still leave a planet covered in water. Then, after millions of years the continents were pushed above the surface of the water.
wes5020 1 month ago
@diningatmyY
Yes. Including the birds that cant fly
TheDgdsn 1 month ago
You see, you stupid rationalists, the Bible is just metaphorical symbolism. If you don't believe in faith, you are a fool. I'm a Muslim, the Koran and it's tails of Mohamid flying horses to Jerusalem make much more sense. The Talmud + Sharia > Secular Law. Separation of church and state? Santorum.
inova11901 1 month ago
Simply brilliant. Congratulations on an interesting and entertaining scientific rebuttal of an ancient nomadic herders' legend that holds way too much sway over people today.
thepoliticalcat 1 month ago
@thepoliticalcat What's amazing is that it should actually be necessary to rebutt an ancient nomadic herders' legend.
Gilmaris 1 month ago
@Gilmaris Sad, but true. Our knowledge of science has advanced much faster than our poor primitive brains can deal with. We still need to cling to the idea of a Daddy-God who will fix all our problems and tell us what to do.
thepoliticalcat 1 month ago
Cont: I.E since you dont know how tall the mountains were or just how many trenches and vallies that we have now that did not exist then... You can't say with any certainty that the flood did not indeed cover the mountains. There are plenty of evidenses of a global flood. Secular science cherry picks their data to support what they want it to and discard the rest of the data. Many scientists have lost funding & jobs attempting to report what the see because it doesnt support the anti-God agenda.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U Please, feel free to name any scientists that have lost jobs and/or funding because they saw anything at all supporting the god agenda.
thepoliticalcat 1 month ago
@Moving2U
Lmao
TheDgdsn 1 month ago
@Moving2U "since you dont know how tall the mountains were or just how many trenches and vallies that we have now that did not exist then" Actually, due to the process of isostasy and the known densities of rock, as well the extensive mapping that has been done we can tell very closely how high these ancient mountain ranges were. And we do find a great many infilled valleys, canyons, and caves. All showing very ancient sedimentation processes. No global flood.
NorthForkFisherman 1 month ago
Genesi 6-9: The flood.
Genesis 10: The dividing of a single super-continent into multiple continents known today.
The shifting of tectonics, the crashing of one plate system into another, one land mass into another, surface and under water volcanoes erupting... Many things are responsible for the mountains and vallies that we have now. There are zero reasons to believe that todays topography is anything like that at the time of the flood. You can't disprove the mountains weren't covered.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@InternetDarkLord
huh you are saying that dinosaurs were on the Ark? uhm i believe they were already dead...
i dont know if the flood was global or not,in the vid they said that wasnt possible,cause where did all te water came from...well probably God took care of that:P
but the flood doesnt have to be global if you know the story God let Noah build an Ark so that He could show his love by giving humanity a new chance/start.maybe not for the whole world but for that place only...
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 1. How do you know the dinosaurs died before Noah's Farce?
2. Goddidit is faith, not science.
3. If God wants to show his love, killing everyone but 8 was stupid and unneeded.
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@InternetDarkLord
how do you know they didnt?
duh that is why it is called believing..
maybe, maybe not, if back then the world but 8 people were like you is was needed!!
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 Is that what you consider to be a well thought out argument? Well, the world needs burger flippers too. Have at it. Hope you like life at minimum wage. Now, let's get back to point - if Noah existed at all, his flood was local, not global. There is no proof of a global flood, and what IS found, directly rules that possibility out. Now I recommend that you pick up a basic geology text and get educated before you get schooled publicly.
NorthForkFisherman 1 month ago
@NorthForkFisherman
...
kind of strange that almost every tribe, every religion and every other kind of faith has a story about a great flood likely all based on the story of Noah.
and i already said once here that the flood indeed could be local i mean why not? for them it was the whole world that stood underwater,at least for as far as they could see,so that is possible
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@NorthForkFisherman
i need to get educated?..
based on what makes you say that?
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@NorthForkFisherman
im not going to argue with you if evolution could have happened or noah's story...its a religion, you have to believe it without prove.
i mean for evolution is a small chance yet you believe in that i suppose. so have a little more respect you have no idea to who you are talking, you have zero respect; learn to behave and dont make a discussion personal. you should get eduacted on communication
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 As I see that you are not a native English speaker, I can see your point. My apologies. You are trying to communicate a complex series of concepts in a language that you do not have a full command of and so perhaps I'm misinterpreting your commentary? But this is not about evolution, this is about geology. So let's cover that, shall we? How to explain the number of flood stories? Agrarian cultures living along floodplains of course have flood stories. That's expected.
NorthForkFisherman 1 month ago
@NorthForkFisherman
that's right im from Holland :)
and i agree with you that the flood could have been local, instead of the entire earth it could just be the entire world for them, and instead of all the animals of the earth only the animals that were there at the moment, then it would be possible to explain it by science i think? and the story was told from man to man and so alot of other almost the same stories appeared in other cultures?
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 Possible. Ever hear about "fish stories"? They grow with the telling. It's also possible that an impact event could've been the root cause of the Noah myth. But for the various other myths around the world? These come from primarily agrarian populations. And the best farming is on floodplains.Now a close examination shows that all these stories vary in what, who, how, why they were saved. There's no common link other than flooding.
NorthForkFisherman 1 month ago
@NorthForkFisherman
i agree with you. i am a christian but i dont think everything in the bible should be taken literally! Noah could have been a farmer on a floodplain and maybe he saved two of every animals of his farm?i dunno..(a)
the scale of the disaster could have been overrated too i mean, in iraq when a local says there were 100's of talibans there normally are like 10 if not less, so that could have happened here aswell!
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 But it's the word of god. Therefore, all what he says is true. Who are you to pick what you want from the Bible, and avoid what you dislike? Are you doubting of God's whisdom?
iTzKaizer 1 month ago
@iTzKaizer
yeah i didnt say that is wasnt true now did I...i dont avoid what i dislike, im just saying that, look if they proof evolution to me that doesnt mean the bible is false if they prove the earth is really millions of years old to me that could be, if you dont like that thats your problem but how do you know how God made the earth? maybe He used a big bang for it, i mean was you there?does the bible says different? no, do i doubt God for saying that...no...who are you to judge me
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 The Bible has been proofed to be billions od years old (throught different methods), and the Theory of Evolution... is a theory, so it's not been totally proofed to be true, but it has enough logical support to claim it's true. Oh, and by that argument (that I wasn't there to see thee creation of the Earth), I could also say that God didn't create the Universe (because I wasn't there) and that my grandfather didn't exist (because he died before I was born).
iTzKaizer 1 month ago
@iTzKaizer
dude i think you mis my point, all im saying is that it could be possible..not that it is THE only truth...for all i know God sneezed and there was the earth....
we dont know how it happened i believe God created us, but how? i have no fucking idea and neither do you so shut up and read comments better before you react and judge people for something they say, try to understand a comment before overreacting cause now you are wrong
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 You have no fucking idea how the Earth was created. Therefore, God did it? Logic fail. You just DON'T KNOW, but you can read about it, so you can know more about what happened some billions of years ago. Of course, you won't discover all the truth by this time, and can't be sure that the theories we have now are 100% accurate, but at least they're closer to reality than some God that did it. "God did it" is used, as you said, when "i have no fucking idea".
iTzKaizer 1 month ago
@iTzKaizer
no that is not the reason why i believe God did it...logic fail of yours read my comments better dude
im only saying that even if evolution is proven that doesnt mean that God doesnt exist... at least i have respect for people who believe otherwise, appearently you dont.but wait a minute in your first comment you said that I doubted Gods wishdom, but you are no chirstian at all, so who are you to say even so...
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@iTzKaizer
im not going into discussion with you, you have no idea what you are talking about, first you act like if you are a christian saying that everything in the bible is true, then you say the bible is billions of years old..wtf, then evolution is better then God because the theory can be supported,but have u any idea how many evidence there's against evolution? so what are you talking boy, first u say that then the opposite...what do you want haha
idiot you are
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 I know more than you think I know. I've read the whole Bible. I've been a Christian myself (the largest part of my life). It's not only about evolution, it's about morals found in the Bible. The church only shows the passages showing love and union (which is actually good), but they hide the incest, murder, etc. found in it too. About evolution, there's plenty of evidence supporting it too. In the other hand, God hasn't got any...
iTzKaizer 1 month ago
@iTzKaizer
so than why are you no christian anymore, you sound like if you think that it is evolution vs God, but i think they can both be true, the bible has no clear answer of how God created the earth. so im not saying evollution isnt true im only saying that it is not fully proven yet, and if so then that doesnt mean God doesnt exist...
i know there is alot of violence in the bible but you know too that God didnt want that in the first place
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 He may not have wanted that in the first place, BUT if God is omnipotent, therefore he knew what was going to come. He knew what was going to happen, all the violence an murder. If he didn't know, then he isn't omnipotent.
iTzKaizer 1 month ago
@iTzKaizer
God loves us, otherwise He wouldnt send His Son to die and save us!
on the otherhand God is also justice, He cant do something that is against His wil, and His wil is always the same,for He is, was and will come.
there is indeed no evidence for God, if you dont believe,if you do you;ll see Gods work everywhere, also a man from my church had two legs with different lenghts,they prayed for it and now he has two simular legs!
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@iTzKaizer
i know my last arguement isnt strong because i cant prove it to you, but it is true!!
i havent seen so many people crying at the same time for my entire life...!! i know it is hard to believe in something you cant see, but that is why it is a believe and not a theory, if you have read the bible you also know that God wont let Himself be proven to men.
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 Yes, I read it too. But that seems contradictorial, because if he really didn't want to show any evidence, he wouldn't have send "his son" Jesus to die, or tell some people to write the Bible.
And about your friend,
iTzKaizer 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 I feel happy for him. But I'm almost sure that without medical attention, that's impossible. If it happened without it, then I don't know what could have happened, but that's not evidence of God whatsoever. After all, science has already studied the efficacy of prayer, but there isn't any scientific consensus because of the contradictorial results. What has been proofed is the psychological effect of prayer, which is most likely a placebo.
iTzKaizer 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 if it was such a sacrifice dumbass why would he be going right back up to his daddy dumbass bring anything to me kid ill disproove it
pur3k0 1 month ago
@pur3k0
you dont know anything about God/Jesus, therefor i keep it simple
it was a big sacrifice because when Jesus died He went to hell,see the bible,there He defeated dead not the dead of this body but the dead of your soul. if you accept that you will be forgiven
nielsb12345 1 month ago
@nielsb12345 1. The dinosaurs died 65 million years before the supposed date of the nonexistent flood.
2. Blind faith proves nothing.
3. If God is so powerful, he can solve any problem without killing anyone.
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
And can you prove that the marianis trench was there prior to the flood? Or that the mountains were as high then as they are now?
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U There was no flood, ergo, your question is not relevant. The chemical composition of just one formation shows this clearly. The base assumption you make is that there was a flood. I'm suprised that this point of logic eluded you so easily.
NorthForkFisherman 1 month ago
@NorthForkFisherman Then you are ignorant that your scientists who dont believe in God, do agree that there was a world wide flood, they just dont want it to be associated with God. Go to the top of any mountain you wish, collect seashells and shut up.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U Sounds like somebody has their panties in a knot. How about we collect salt, hon? You know, about 9 trillion cu meters of it in one formation alone. The chemistry, physics and math of which, directly rule out said mythical flood. Now it's entirely possible that a local flood got bigger in the retellings over time. But a global flood? Given ALL the data (which creationists studiously avoid) it's not only a myth, it's not even possible. So, you got anything more to say? I've got PLENTY!
NorthForkFisherman 1 month ago
@NorthForkFisherman Go to the top of any mountain and collect sea shells and choke on them with your sarcasm.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U Basic geology/orogeny FAIL. Are you really that big an ignoramus that you don't understand that most basic fact? Da Vinci understood it. His examination of Pozzuoli and it's evidence proved it quite clearly to him, As did those "seashells". And while you really aren't worthy to carry his chamberpot, you do have tools that the genius Leonardo did not have, and so have no excuse. Check out Thermopylae, too. So, wanna talk about salt and chemistry now?
NorthForkFisherman 1 month ago
It's all a bunch of ancient, primitive myths based on ignorance of the workings of the physical world.
thegreatatheismo 1 month ago
what btw also is pretty funny is that almost every culture/religion/believe talks about a great flood, all of them describe the flood the same; like date and stuff
explain that
nielsb12345 2 months ago
@nielsb12345 No, there are many differences among flood stories, like who survived. There are many mermaid, ape-man, or sun god stories, are they real?
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
3. u also claim that there is no way all the animals could fit on the ark because there aint enough volume,,well that can be challenged to:billion of the animals that you say were on the ark are smaller than a mouse....they are called insects leaving enough space for bigger animals...
4. comming back at nr2,u say God can never raise a flood so high that it would cover the mt Everest...well u forgot that if u believe He created the earth so high likely he can create a lil' more H2O aswell:P
nielsb12345 2 months ago
@nielsb12345 You forgot 500,000 species of dinosaurs...
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
hmm i see a couple of things that arent right in your arguments.
1. you claim that the water level couldnt rise above the mt Everest. but the point is is that the bible is mostly written in what you see is what you write-style. what means that for them the highest mountain probaply the highest on the earth, also for them the whole world was under water but the whole world doesnt need to mean the ENTIRE earth but maybe only the earth that they knew...
2 u count fish to the animal on the boat
nielsb12345 2 months ago
@nielsb12345 Why build an ark for a nonglobal flood?
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
How Much water In The Polar Caps?
vmellin 2 months ago
Right in the beginning i see a couple of things that can be challenged..
1. the highest mountain at that time could very well not be mt. Everest current height
2. The volume of the difference of the earth does not equate what current land that is above the current sea level which would displace some water.
3. The bible says it took 2 of every kind of animals and not 2 of every species.
4. A lot of animals could survive throughout the flood, so Noah didnt have to make shark tanks...there is more
hizzyjizzykizzy 2 months ago
@hizzyjizzykizzy 1. The tallest mountains could have been higher before Noah's Farce.
2. The sea level could have been lower before Noah's Farce.
3. Define Kind. Also, INBREEDING!
4. Did you include dinosaurs?
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
Excellent!
PersonallyOptimistic 2 months ago
@PersonallyOptimistic Although there would be even more animals. As 7 of each "clean" animal were taken!
Splendid video btw!
PersonallyOptimistic 2 months ago
So the way I see it is - it is a 2 fold answer.
1st, how to flood a planet from space.
And then how to drain it.
Both obviously happened ONCE - EVEN BEFORE NOAH'S FLOOD.
When you are talking about a 13 billion plus year old universe, intelligence has had a long time to develop. 13 billion is longer than 4 billion (earth age, per you scientists).
So YOU MAY NOT BE THE MOST INTELLIGENT BEING IN THE UNIVERSE.
themanningsjdsjjj 2 months ago
@themanningsjdsjjj And that's why we keep looking at the stars and the skies, Hoping we can see these other beings. But i highly doubt they'll be anywhere around us.
SirJNicolas 2 months ago
@SirJNicolas
They have not been in the past because this is a prison planet for the criminally insane.
Humans are unique to earth. Very soon EVERYONE will be shown this fact.
themanningsjdsjjj 2 months ago
Pause for just a moment and read slowly what Genesis CLEARLY says:
Genesis 4:4 Says the GENERATIONS of the heavens and the earth... (multiple generations)
Genesis 4:5 Says the plants existed BEFORE it was in the earth. (Not from here?)
Genesis 4:8 Says the LORD God PLANTED a garden. (There wasn't one here?)
Genesis 1:1 Says the heavens and the earth were complete.
Genesis 1:2 Says the earth was wasted. (Confirmed in 2 Peter 3:5-7).
There is apparently a way to flood a planet from space.
themanningsjdsjjj 2 months ago
Ah, the scientists are always right. It could never happen. There was a big bang and it was purely random; we are the product of evolution; global warming is not real; yada, yada, yada. Mars was once covered in water the same scientists say, and the water just went away.
Newton knew everything. Nope. Proven wrong later on. Just because you can not answer the question today does not mean it won't be answered tomorrow. The answer is to change the question. 1st, where could extra H20 come from?
themanningsjdsjjj 2 months ago
Lol, he bases all of his arguments on strawmen! Wohoo!
One million species? More like 8000 was required. You don't need Chihuahuas, poodles and wolves. You only need two wolf-like creatures. You can then breed all the other from that.
And yes, dinosaurs was taken on the ark. The average size of dinosaurs were not large. Also, he didn't need to bring full adults, he could have brought eggs or babies.
PirateXzibit 2 months ago
@PirateXzibit
er no - 4000 years (more like 2000) is not enough time for all those new species to evolve.
The people who believe in this rubbish don't believe in evolution over millions of years, so how can they believe it could happen in just 2000-4000 years?
jazzx251 2 months ago
@jazzx251 Kinds and species are not really the same thing. Natural selection is very real. You can breed a poodle from a wolf, but not the other way around. Natural selection works, not evolution however, which adds information (in some pseudo-scientific way).
PirateXzibit 2 months ago
@PirateXzibit
You can NOT breed a poodle from a wolf - you need to select for the poodle's traits over hundreds of generations. Getting from a wolf (the common ancestor of all dogs) to any small yappy thing with curly fur takes way more than 2000 years.
jazzx251 2 months ago
@PirateXzibit Define "kinds" There doesnt seem to be that term in any biology textbook! What? You made it up? You can define it as you wish? You mean that you're being dishonest?
aden302000 2 months ago
@PirateXzibit how does removing a few breeds of domestic dog take the number from millions to thousands?? Especially given that the number of species he's quoting doesn't include minor variations within a given species. Sorry mate, but you're off by 3 orders of magnitude with your argument (as if you even understand what an order of magnitude is)
kwilliaume 2 months ago
@PirateXzibit The wolf species does not contain dogs because they are different species (poodles and chih's etc). . .and since you are advocating only taking wolves you must believe in evolution. Thank you for confirming evolution for us; we will tell your pastor and have you thrown out into the streets where there is grinding and gnashing of textbooks and the hard work of science. PS he was very generous since there are over 2 Mil species of insects alone not to mention arthropods
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markstevenduke 2 months ago
And don't forget the part that the Americans have added to the story: the Grand Canyon was the Great Drain Pipe for all that flood water! Then where's the drain itself?
Where was all the food stored on the ark for the diet requirements of the 1.2 million species? The food would have taken up more space than the animals did.
Once the ark ran aground in Turkey, how did marsupials find their way back to Australia and polar bears back to the Arctic? How did squirrels get to N. America?
ChipArgyle 2 months ago 3
Here's another wrench I throw into the running engine. How much frozen glacier existed at the time of the biblical flood? How much exposed land and ocean was there? Was mount everest already encased in ice during the flood? NOTE: glacier is known to dam lakes and break. The correct translation of the Hebrew word "world" is "age". The bible mentions 3 worlds"ages".
pillowhole 3 months ago
@pillowhole The flood never happened at all, so all this is irrelevant speculation.
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
@ironman197268 Rock layers in China showed that meteors weren't the only cause of the dinosaurs extinction they have also discovered volcanic activities and a lower to no oxygen levels through out the entire earth also a higher acidic level in oceans killing all reptile,shell fish ,including LAMP SHELLS. For a half-million years geologist find no life or vegetation. BUT evolutionist refuse to believe total extinction when the proof is physically there.
pillowhole 3 months ago
@ironman197268 They are wiped-out by several meteor showers. In China, geologist discovered several reasons the dino's
pillowhole 3 months ago
whos to say that tall mountains like everest existed before the flood? its likely that while waters rose earths structure changed significantly. but also if mountains & such DID exist the volume that they take up on the earths surface is not accounted for in these calculations. therefore the suggestion that 4 times more water was needed is invalid. as stated theres about 1360000000 km^3 of water & if there were no mountains (which is completely plausible) waters would only need to rise to 687m.
namanoom 3 months ago
@namanoom How do you know the mountains were not vastly TALLER before Noah's Farce?
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
a few scholars say that there were only about 2'000 animals housed (760 square feet each), a lot more say 35'000 (43 square feet each). these numbers are low due to the numbers that could survive the flood and noah didn't house every single creature but just selected hooved and unhooved animals. both numbers are plausible for the ark to hold.
namanoom 3 months ago
@namanoom Genesis doesn't say that. There are 3 quite different descriptions of the ark's contents, Chap. 6, 19-21, Chap 7, 2-4, and Chapter 7, 15.
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
How did dinosaurs get nearly destroyed, on a Global scale 65,000,000 years ago? What happened?
ironman197268 3 months ago
Bible verses so easily explained yet not even a so called educated person can comprehend it. NO MATTER how many quote's ,reference, and new scientific finding there mind are at a "stuck point" nothing can make there thought to progress.
pillowhole 3 months ago
Atheist, in a nutshell ,is plain LAWLESSNESS. The bible is law,God law and it starts at the thought pattern before action. Christain did away with this law and atheist mock it (mock everything even there own discoveries). Jesus warned it will happen again, and AGAIN only a small handful of people will be saved for the next world.
pillowhole 3 months ago
@pillowhole Are you retarded?
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
The story of noah's is to happen again but not as a flood but a WORLDWIDE chaos. Josh preach and warned the people to repent,and obey the laws or god will allow a great catastrophe to happen,and the people went on with there LAWLESSNESS.
pillowhole 3 months ago
@pillowhole Are you retarded?
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman In genesis verse 1 "god created the heavens(physical universe) and the earth(physical)" this is the first creation ,and millions-billions of years has gone by till the second verse " the earth BECAME void(chaos) ",there's a time gap between both verses(enough time for coals) meaning that the 7 days is not the creation day but the re-creation as it written in psalm 104:30
pillowhole 3 months ago
@fanofthewettwat I've seen live and dead animals,trees ,brush,bushes,fruits,apples,nuts,floating after a small flood. How much more on a massive flood?
pillowhole 3 months ago
@pillowhole What you're really asking is, "doesn't the fact of coal deposits prove there was a flood?", am I right? To answer your question, no. There's simply TOO MUCH biomatter entrained in sedimentary deposits for there to have been a global flood as per a literal reading of Genesis. Many processes in life and geology are highly exothermic. That heat has to go somewhere, and the amount released simply rules our the story of Noah as a literal event.
NorthForkFisherman 3 months ago
@diningatmyY Have you ever thought about post- flood DEBRIS?
pillowhole 3 months ago
@diningatmyY Exactly! Man it is amazing to me how many stupid people walk on this planet.
fanofthewettwat 3 months ago
What IF the land was different before the flood,more flatter. Also animals that can fly and swim don't need to be in the ark. And what if the animals were young babies? Science say that each different type of animals all had one main ancestry line.
pillowhole 3 months ago
@pillowhole That's not even what the Bible says! For example, it specifies TWICE birds should be on that ark, don't they fly?
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@erikasnipples ~80K years is the physical limit of the C dating technique due to the inability of measuring the resulting small ratio of C14:C12. The age conclusion of the test relies on certain unproven assumptions such as consistency of decay rate and the starting ratio of C14:C12 in the atmosphere of the past. Evidence indicates that both of these assumptions are wrong. Test results giving much older than 10K years then are likely to be inaccurate.
AmericanBerean 3 months ago
@erikasnipples Exactly erika. Amazes me how these bible bangers refuse to believe something that is so obvious because it doesn't quite jive with their spiritual beliefs. This is when faith clouds common sense.
edwardpf122 3 months ago
@rockersuzie "...completely and insanely asinine". That's because you've been indoctrinated into the idea that it HAS to be that old because of the assumption that biological evolution is true.
That facts are that there are millions of dead things buried in/under layers of rock all around the world. This is exactly would you would expect to find if the Biblical Flood were true. Evidence supports the recentness of their burial: unfossilized parts of T.Rex!
AmericanBerean 3 months ago
@rockersuzie LOL, could not agree more suzie. It amazes me how christians simply refuse to believe carbon dating and fossils because the science doesn't jive with their beloved bible. Ya can't even talk to them about it, its completely ridiculous.
lezgolezbo 3 months ago
@lezgolezbo Carbon dating only goes back <100K years.
Fossils are "dated" by their location in the layers of sedimentary rock and the assumption is that the lowest are the oldest (megayears) and highest are the youngest. Those are unproven assumptions.
Good science and Scripture correctly interpreted do not conflict. "God has ordered all things by measure, number and weight." (Wis 11:21) Much of the Bible is not literal but God sometimes used real people and events to convey His message.
AmericanBerean 3 months ago
@staceycrazyishere Yes, dino's on the Ark. Could've been young, so they were small. There are only about 55 different genera (roughly "kinds"), covering the 600+ named dino's.
The space in the ark was ~ 500 tractor-trailers. Plenty of space for representatives of the roughly 8000 animal genera (of land vertebrates) to live for a year.
Google "Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study".
AmericanBerean 3 months ago
@AmericanBerean LOL. Wow. That is quite an accomplishment considering that science has proven that dinosaurs went extinct 65 Million years ago. But let me guess, you are one of those bible bangers who actually believe the earth is no older than 10,000 years.
ironicman197268 3 months ago
@ironicman197268 "science has proven that dinosaurs went extinct 65 Million years ago". That is false. Science has not proven that. The evidence can be interpreted to imply that (based on certain unproven assumptions), but the scientific method cannot PROVE any model of origins. That would require repeatable experimentation.
The Biblical flood event is plausible, as Scripture describes it, and is nonsensical only to those who accept UPROVEN ASSUMPTIONS about the world and history.
AmericanBerean 3 months ago
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truthseeker010101 3 months ago
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@staceycrazyishere " Because the bible says so?"
I am not a religious or dogmatic, no, sorry to ruin your ASSumption!
truthseeker010101 3 months ago
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@staceycrazyishere " And do you really believe Noah was 800 years old?"
I don't "believe" anything! I am merely open to ideas and concepts.
The evidence that oxygen levels where higher is there, are you ignorant of it?
The evidence that reptiles ARE dinosaurs is there, are you ignorant of it?
The evidence that there was a golden age is there, are you ignorant of it?
You don't have to believe something to know it! Your prejudice is blinding you to experiencing other perspectives, ignorance!
truthseeker010101 3 months ago
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@staceycrazyishere
", do you believe that these types of animals made it on the Ark?"
You are ignorant of the what a concept is, animal, species, difference is only a concept. In reality the universe exists as one whole. You are not a human being, or a individual these are but concepts of the mind.
truthseeker010101 3 months ago
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truthseeker010101 3 months ago
@staceycrazyishere The GReat deluge was a massive flood which covered a large portion of the area where Noah lived, being 800 years old he was wise in science and predicted the flood by his scintific studies. It's been proven that Solomon was also a scientist, and the word magic came into being because of the first science. The earth peoples, rocks people, its God manifisting itself, u call it evolution. The brow grows ur entire life and if you where 900 u'd be a neanderthal. Look it up!
truthseeker010101 3 months ago
@staceycrazyishere dinosaurs are only reptiles, reptiles grow there entire lives, and when the oxygen levels where double (proven in science), and the earth still had it's rings, either from a astroriod hitting or they slowly dispest over time( three planets of our 9 have ICE rings) the reptiles would continue to grow until reaching massive "be-he-moth" (book of job) sizes. A 300 year old lizard is a dino, and some still live in deep water lakes, and the congo in smaller form. cont.
truthseeker010101 3 months ago
They needed to take FISH in a flood? I just came her to say that your a god damn retard, hahahahaha.
truthseeker010101 3 months ago
@truthseeker010101 you're the retard, he specifically subtracted fish and other organisms that could survive in the water.
psychichamsters 3 months ago 8
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@psychichamsters I didnt watch the video, but now i did and there misrepresenting "kinds" and talking about the numoruoes species, pretty stupid no matter how you look at it
truthseeker010101 3 months ago
@truthseeker010101 You don't watch the video, so what the hell are you even talking about! Watch it!
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
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nedladdy 1 month ago
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@psychichamsters Even given that so much rainwater would have diluted the saltwater and thereby killed marine plants and animals?
nedladdy 1 month ago
@nedladdy Yeah, creationists never want to talk about the cellular implications of osmosis.
NorthForkFisherman 1 month ago
As a Christian, I too can see that Noah's ark is nonsense from any reasonable and rational attempts to explain it. But I'll have to take the weak way out and say God did it.
napalm5 3 months ago
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@napalm5 If you seek God enough you'll find the answers. You may not agree now if I told you a few truths but if you seek you will find.
truthseeker010101 3 months ago
@5355vbxjbj76rvn .....no, it says, "all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died" (Genesis 7:22)
As an example, bugs aspirate through their skin/exoskeletons so the verse is not talking about them. The same would go for all creatures living in the water and I suspect some creatures such as alligators, who breath through their nostrils but spend most of their lives in the water.
Again, if you read the details, Genesis appears very accurate.
Laylow4now 4 months ago
As an example of a Great Flood that did happen, check out the Ice Age floods of eastern Washington state. Of course, those happened before the supposed age of the world by Young Earth advocates, but they could have been witnessed by immigrants from Asia and incorporated into their creation myths.
atablarasa 4 months ago
i see christianity is try to pull out another bullshit story, very sneaky christianity
antlionC4 4 months ago
made up? no shit sherlock. lol
FreeeeS 4 months ago
everything in the sea would be dead; rain is fresh water and since there will be much more water in rainfall than was already water on the earth, the salt water oceans would be so deluded that all the animals that live in salt water would die. And what about the plants? Noah took no plants on the arc, so every plant on earth would be dead. Did god just recreate the plants? if so, why the FUCK did god make Noah take all the animals? couldn't god just have recreated them?
red666111 4 months ago
If religion can't use miracles to explain Noah's Ark, then science can't start from step 2 with the Big Bang. Granted, maybe the earth was created from a big bang, but what made that happen? What "Banged" that it was "Big"? Obviously something existed, and if it did, how did it get there?
ykjt91 4 months ago
@ykjt91 Scientists are researching that, read M-Theory. The God of Gaps fallacy explains nothing.
InternetDarkLord 4 months ago
@ykjt91 where did god come from? If he came from nothing then why do you have a problem believing the Big Bang came from nothing? God can't have always existed because as theists so often point out there cant be an infinite regress - which is exactly what a god would be if he always existed. Therefore, god must have an origin. Who created god? again, if you say god dosen't need a creator, your whole argument is moot, as you just would have conceded that something can exist without being created.
red666111 4 months ago
there are to many variables to break this down to science... such as: How many humans were on Earth? What altitude were they at? Maybe it wasn't the WHOLE Earth that was flooded. When did this actually happen? etc...
Losdouble 4 months ago
@Losdouble Why does it matter how many people there were on earth? But I would think there were a lot, since they apparently fucked all day long.
What altitude? Why would that matter? The bible clearly says the highest mountain was flooded by several feet.
The bible says the whole world was flooded.
It never happened.
Andy97009814 4 months ago
@Andy97009814 yea... most people thought the Earth was flat so how would the know where the highest mountain was? ... that's why!!... was the whole world as populated as it is today?... you believe one part of the Bible but not the other?... I'm jus sayin this dude has a science based on what he thinks he knows but really no one knows
Losdouble 4 months ago
@Losdouble I don't believe in the bible what so ever. I just told you what it says. And in case I was unclear: a new paragraph means responding to your next point. I'll be clearer next time.
Andy97009814 4 months ago
@Andy97009814 Well almost 50 civilizations around that time have a story of a great flood back then... civilizations that did not ever cross paths.. I agree the whole world probably was not flooded like what we would imagine but obviously something happened... you jus can't dimiss one story when several civilizations tell a simular story (ie. Sumerians story of Gilamesh).... Hopi Indians have a legend in which their ancestors escaped a great flood... why do i waste time arguing with idiots? smh
Losdouble 4 months ago
@Losdouble Yes, something happened. Something happen Dec 26 2004 too. Floods are normal, so it's not weird that many tales of floods exists. But the story of Noah's Ark just does not make sense. How did four men get the strength to build a boat that big in that short period of time? How did he get all the animals on it? How did he make sure the animals didn't eat each others?
And thanks for insulting me with no good reason to do so.
Andy97009814 4 months ago
We have sea shells on the tops mts. Water didn't have to reach 7 miles because mts crumbled earth shook.& turned inside out. Mts crumbling into oceans makes huge waves. Instead of adults many baby animals and preg females only. Many animals do can & will feed another breed. How big is a puppy compare to a adult dog? Sorry but your not convincing me. It's so funny when science say waves can be miles high you believe it,untill it relates to the bible. The last days will be as the days of Noah.
liellibg 4 months ago