Si sa che la guerra è cruda ma è necessaria se non vogliamo che anche i nostri bambini vengano mutilati da attacchi terroristici, e dire no alle missioni di pace in iraq è come dare carta bianca ad al-qaida....si vis pacem para bellum
non mi trovo daccordo con te...per una serie di motivi igiu perchè gli attacchi terroristici sono solo un pretesto per metterci gli uni contro gli altri e nel frattempo loro (i potenti) si fanno gli affari loro e tengono tutto sotto controllo...è una mia teoria un po visionaria forse ma se ci si riflette bene non è tanto visionaria ;)
Ovviamente ci sono persone che si arricchiscono con la guerra ed è un fatto turpissimo, però ci sono moltissimi attacchi terroristici in iraq e non si può che è solo un pretesto perchè ogni giorno là scoppia una bomba,quindi li combattiamo là per non combatterli qui, il problema della nostra missione di pace(non siamo là per conquistare)sta nel fatto che non siamo in guerra con un popolo ma con una ideologia...comunque rispetto le tue idee.
We were not in Iraq to "win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis".
We are in Iraq to prevent another 9/11. We are in Iraq to kick their asses. We have kicked some serious ass. If it were up to me, I would have pulled out of Iraq after we overthrew Saddam. I would have let the rivaling warlords, gangsters, and religious freaks fight for power. That would have turned Iraq into Somalia. If you want to look at what anarchy does to a nation, look at Mogadishu, Somalia. Google it.
So sad; we have gone so far but we are at the same spot. Iraq today, Vietnam in 1969. The similarities are many. I remmember being spit on by protestors as I left the base here at home; I just hope we don't start blaming the troops as we did back then.
No need to blame the troops. They won the war while the politicians ran as fast as they could when things got tough. Same as they did in Vietnam. I think its obvious to most everyone in the world that the tipping point for winning the war in Iraq was passed many months ago. The Iraqi military is capable of taking care of itself and is still growing with some heavy armor comming in as well. This is not another Vietnam, as many hoped and prayed it would be. To them, its unfortunate we won in Iraq.
Are we winning the war or just propping up another fake regime. What happens if we stop paying 10 billion a month to have the Iraq's play nice. Will the fake govt have the backing of the people? I don't think so. Look at how long we propped up the Shaw of Iran and look at the result.
We have won the war militarily. The other issue has to do with governence. It is a populairly elected government voted for by the people of Iraq. I would not call it fake, or a US puppet etc.etc. It is moving along and passing laws and making poicy at a decent pace. Not a pace that would satisfy US senators, but ask US senators how long they have had to deal with our major problems of Social Security, open borders, energy, health care etc. Iraq is not Iran, Vietnam or Somalia.
Expense wise, the Iraqis are already paying the largest portion of the cost of reconstruction ( as they should). As we pull troops out our expenses will decrease, but as long as we have troops there will never go back to zero. Iraq is already developing thier own foreign policy and it is an Iraqi policy that has ties to Iran as well as other countries. Another reason not to believe they are a US puppet. The US stands to gain much from a free Iraq.
You definately have rose colored glasses on. I hope you are right. That is why I said Vietnam 1969. I and many others believed the same as you do about Iraq now. By 1971 I stopped believing anything our Gov says; then or now.
Yes, I am a Vietnam vet as well, and lost faith in the American people after Vietnam. I too have watched the politicians run as fast as they could, when the war in Iraq turned worse in 2006-2007. I really dispise politicians and the media in thier reporting of the war. However, the problem they now face is that the troops have won, dispite thier neverending predictions of failure. And it is past the point where there is any doubt. It sometimes makes a military person wonder if its worth it,
What has been won? As in Vietnam the government and local support is used to large wads of money from U.S. When that ends how long do you think they will support us? The oil contracts are signed but how does that benefit the Iraqi people? S. Vietnam also had lots of heavy military equipment; did it help? We have lost the "Hearts and Minds"; Remmember that phrase? Sorry but I see nothing but trouble ahead.
P.S. I have never lost faith in the American people- just the politicians.
Perhaps most important of what you said is hearts and minds. In that respect I believe you are wrong. Even in Anbar province where many of the "Sons of Iraq " were former terrorists, they have made peace with the troops and work with them day to day . The government of Iraq has loads of money in the bank and can't spend it fast enough. Thier biggest problem is corruption and they know it. The oil contracts and the dispersion of wealth is ongoing even though the laws have not been formally passed
I did lose faith in the American people and am still skeptical that they want to continue to be a free people. It would seem many want to abdicate the power and freedom we have to let someone else take over the responsibility that they see as too much to bear. A lets pretend the world doesn't exist and we can make it go away attitude. The pissing on the troops was only stopped by the advent of the internet and the reactions of many, many individuals who spoke up, including myself.
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stopdiwar 1 year ago
Si sa che la guerra è cruda ma è necessaria se non vogliamo che anche i nostri bambini vengano mutilati da attacchi terroristici, e dire no alle missioni di pace in iraq è come dare carta bianca ad al-qaida....si vis pacem para bellum
igiu
igiu777 3 years ago
non mi trovo daccordo con te...per una serie di motivi igiu perchè gli attacchi terroristici sono solo un pretesto per metterci gli uni contro gli altri e nel frattempo loro (i potenti) si fanno gli affari loro e tengono tutto sotto controllo...è una mia teoria un po visionaria forse ma se ci si riflette bene non è tanto visionaria ;)
giustizia85 3 years ago
Ovviamente ci sono persone che si arricchiscono con la guerra ed è un fatto turpissimo, però ci sono moltissimi attacchi terroristici in iraq e non si può che è solo un pretesto perchè ogni giorno là scoppia una bomba,quindi li combattiamo là per non combatterli qui, il problema della nostra missione di pace(non siamo là per conquistare)sta nel fatto che non siamo in guerra con un popolo ma con una ideologia...comunque rispetto le tue idee.
igiu
igiu777 3 years ago
We were not in Iraq to "win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis".
We are in Iraq to prevent another 9/11. We are in Iraq to kick their asses. We have kicked some serious ass. If it were up to me, I would have pulled out of Iraq after we overthrew Saddam. I would have let the rivaling warlords, gangsters, and religious freaks fight for power. That would have turned Iraq into Somalia. If you want to look at what anarchy does to a nation, look at Mogadishu, Somalia. Google it.
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Crucco82 3 years ago
So sad; we have gone so far but we are at the same spot. Iraq today, Vietnam in 1969. The similarities are many. I remmember being spit on by protestors as I left the base here at home; I just hope we don't start blaming the troops as we did back then.
uh1n71 3 years ago
No need to blame the troops. They won the war while the politicians ran as fast as they could when things got tough. Same as they did in Vietnam. I think its obvious to most everyone in the world that the tipping point for winning the war in Iraq was passed many months ago. The Iraqi military is capable of taking care of itself and is still growing with some heavy armor comming in as well. This is not another Vietnam, as many hoped and prayed it would be. To them, its unfortunate we won in Iraq.
gerry301 3 years ago
Are we winning the war or just propping up another fake regime. What happens if we stop paying 10 billion a month to have the Iraq's play nice. Will the fake govt have the backing of the people? I don't think so. Look at how long we propped up the Shaw of Iran and look at the result.
uh1n71 3 years ago
We have won the war militarily. The other issue has to do with governence. It is a populairly elected government voted for by the people of Iraq. I would not call it fake, or a US puppet etc.etc. It is moving along and passing laws and making poicy at a decent pace. Not a pace that would satisfy US senators, but ask US senators how long they have had to deal with our major problems of Social Security, open borders, energy, health care etc. Iraq is not Iran, Vietnam or Somalia.
gerry301 3 years ago
Expense wise, the Iraqis are already paying the largest portion of the cost of reconstruction ( as they should). As we pull troops out our expenses will decrease, but as long as we have troops there will never go back to zero. Iraq is already developing thier own foreign policy and it is an Iraqi policy that has ties to Iran as well as other countries. Another reason not to believe they are a US puppet. The US stands to gain much from a free Iraq.
gerry301 3 years ago
You definately have rose colored glasses on. I hope you are right. That is why I said Vietnam 1969. I and many others believed the same as you do about Iraq now. By 1971 I stopped believing anything our Gov says; then or now.
uh1n71 3 years ago
Yes, I am a Vietnam vet as well, and lost faith in the American people after Vietnam. I too have watched the politicians run as fast as they could, when the war in Iraq turned worse in 2006-2007. I really dispise politicians and the media in thier reporting of the war. However, the problem they now face is that the troops have won, dispite thier neverending predictions of failure. And it is past the point where there is any doubt. It sometimes makes a military person wonder if its worth it,
gerry301 3 years ago
What has been won? As in Vietnam the government and local support is used to large wads of money from U.S. When that ends how long do you think they will support us? The oil contracts are signed but how does that benefit the Iraqi people? S. Vietnam also had lots of heavy military equipment; did it help? We have lost the "Hearts and Minds"; Remmember that phrase? Sorry but I see nothing but trouble ahead.
P.S. I have never lost faith in the American people- just the politicians.
uh1n71 3 years ago
Perhaps most important of what you said is hearts and minds. In that respect I believe you are wrong. Even in Anbar province where many of the "Sons of Iraq " were former terrorists, they have made peace with the troops and work with them day to day . The government of Iraq has loads of money in the bank and can't spend it fast enough. Thier biggest problem is corruption and they know it. The oil contracts and the dispersion of wealth is ongoing even though the laws have not been formally passed
gerry301 3 years ago
I did lose faith in the American people and am still skeptical that they want to continue to be a free people. It would seem many want to abdicate the power and freedom we have to let someone else take over the responsibility that they see as too much to bear. A lets pretend the world doesn't exist and we can make it go away attitude. The pissing on the troops was only stopped by the advent of the internet and the reactions of many, many individuals who spoke up, including myself.
gerry301 3 years ago