yada yada Lunacy is politicaly correct too. This ones easy stubbornists. Prove even one single thing Christ Jesus ever said that is NOT true. HE is the most studied and sought after person in history, yet NO one has EVER been able to prove him wrong! Doesnt that tell you something? And before you say something stupid about "religioin" (an atheists favorite word) I havent even scratched the surface of history, science (in all ares) the universe, and the personal testimonies of millions. HELLO!+++
Both sides of this over simplify the issue at hand. The "burden of proof" debate, between atheists and theists, assumes the question is only factual and ignores the issue of governing presuppositions.
It was a waste to respond to Shock. The only reason to respond to the question is to communicate the message to others, but ShockofGod will never get it... ever.
incorrect. Christianity excepts the Jewish history and scriptures, but follows a new covenant after the Messiah. It doesn't reject Judaism. where does Christianity claim the world is flat?
are you arguing that the universe came from nothing for no reason? Do you have any evidence for the claim? any philosophical, logical explanation?
This guy claims that religion claims the earth is flat, actually Columbus, reading the Bible, decided that the world was round, saw evidence of it, and set out to verify it.
it's not "religion vs science". Science supports the existence of an infinite being.
you can't make a scientific argument that God does not exist. Don't try it. Arguing a negative is impossible. for example, Prove i didn't cut your lawn last year.
@dog22boy Says who? why does everything that exsit must have a cause? But i see your point, an action caused by a reaction... but could it be possilbe that it moved it's self and from that everyting else came to be... something that didn't need a cause? If there is a cause to everything then the begining becomes a paradox.. the begining of the begining of the begning to infinity... which makes logic get thrown away
I honestly think that your stance in this matter is wrong.. Atheism in itself is a lack of belief.. To make us believe in something, proof would be needed, so there would be a base to place our beliefs on. The problem with religion is, that when a atheist asks if 'There is proof in the existence of god'. They usually say that the complete world is proof enough.. Which is wrong, as there are more plausible theories, without a superior ''guy'' being involved. They are just ignorant on the theory.
Atheism is simply the new church. Basic human psychology does not cease to exist when a person declares antheism nor does it make the person any less needful of having their beliefs confirmed, written into text and supported by fellow believers.
I guess youtube is not the right place to explain the whole theory of evolution but I highly recommend you to check out this great website: evolution.berkeley.edu
Before you start to criticize the theory of evolution (which is btw accepted by about 99% of all scientists in the world) you should at least first have a basic understanding of it.
Since it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of a god in the scientific sense, "proof," when referring to supernatural claims, becomes a relevant term determined by one's personal criteria. For example, someone might say, "there is enough evidence for me to believe..."
I think the real answer to Shock's question is: What would prove to HIM that atheism is accurate and correct?"
Once HIS criteria is established, then the "evidence" could be presented.
The only atheists who believe that atheism is the most rational and accurate conclusion haven't smoked DMT or have taken Terence McKenna's recommendation of eating five dried grams of psilocybin-containing mushrooms.
I think you gave him too much credit for the poor structure of the question and lack of understanding of the definition of atheism. He would have stopped you at your first words and said "I didn't ask for a definition, I asked for proof and evidence!"
Essentially, it was as if he asked, "What's the proof or evidence that your favorite colour is blue is correct?"
The question itself, speaks volumes of his ignorance.
Atheist are making the claim there is no God. SO PROVE IT. If you can't then you are admitting there is the POSSIBILITY there is a God. This makes you an agnostic not an atheist.
@YesYou123333 - "Atheist are making the claim there is no God. SO PROVE IT. If you can't then you are admitting there is the POSSIBILITY there is a God. This makes you an agnostic not an atheist."
Translation table:
You say ATHEIST, most Atheists say GNOSTIC (or STRONG) ATHEIST
You say AGNOSTIC, most Atheists say AGNOSTIC ATHEIST
There's no real right/wrong to this. We're just using slightly different wording to describe the same thing.
@YesYou123333 Isn't atheism the lack of belief in a God? I'm not saying there isn't a God, an easter bunny, a fairy ext. I just don't believe there is any of those things. So I'm an atheist.
@YesYou123333 Your a fucking idiot. Look up the word atheism. Atheism: Someone who denies the existence of a god. Denies: refuse to admit the existence of something. I'm simply saying I don't believe there is a God, I don't believe one exists. I'm not saying there is NO GOD THAT EXISTS, I choose not to believe one does. I do NOT think that there could be a God, much like I don't think there could be a fairy. However that does not mean I claim to know that both don't exist.
@YesYou123333 No.....How did you not get that? I'm an atheist, someone who denies the existence of god. I don't think there COULD BE A GOD. So I'm not an agnostic. The only reason you don't understand is because you don't know what an atheist is. An atheist is not someone who claims there isn't a god.
@YesYou123333 I just fucking gave you the definition of atheism. You said that atheism is the claim that there is no god, although every dictionary would disagree with you. I do not think there could be a god, so I'm not an agnostic. Can I be any clearer?
But, back to what i was saying. So your saying that the only reason why Atheism is correct, is because god is incorrect?
Your theory is stupid. I`m not say " You "Specifically as a person are stupid, I'm just saying your theory is. Because your explanation doesn't { E x p l a i n } , a whole lot. Personally, I don`t know what to believe. So I`m [ not ] gonna say that your wrong. But at the same time I'm not gonna say ur right. But maybe u are right...Maybe.
I believe in the flying spaghetti monster. What proof and evidence do you have that your non-belief in the flying spaghetti monster is accurate and correct?
Atheism is saying god doesn't exist. Any source says something along the lines of denying god. Your think of agnosticism if you believe in the chance that god exists. You can't be both so pick one. Theist and atheist are the very left and the very right of the theoretical table. Agnosticism is the space in between where you admit you don't know if god does or doesn't exist.
0:46 In fact atheism as the most worlds dictionaries show is "The doctrine of deny the existence of God, any gods, and any evidence that will ever be brought for this case!
If I'm subscribing to Christianity, this means that I have a negative belief about other deities (meaning that Allah does NOT exist), but that after, the "American definition " is not Atheism ...right?
Atheism = NO God! ( what is Accurate and Correct on that?)
@ejdf870 wow you really need to learn to read better. I said that that is old science. Not modern science. Today Christians use that as more of a metaphorical guideline of how to be a good Christian. An argument based on that is attacking Christians that existed 2000 years ago. Good luck with that and good for you.
@Pucker7 So, since (by your own admission) "Christianity" is subject to change as science learns more about the universe, why not just believe in science??? Why still rely on this label, this crutch that is "faith"? And, faith in what exactly, since it seems that faith eventually cedes to science anyway when it becomes ridiculous to argue against what is evident ?
@ejdf870 That's not answering his question, dont you guys get it?
what proof and evidence can you provide that proves atheism is accurate and correct?!
Snakes don't talk on their own, and oceans don't part on their own, yes we know that. Satan spoke through the snake, and God parted the ocean, and God is above science. Science cannot disprove God, therefore out "claims" are not ridiculous and outlandish. Can your science prove that the universe just "happened"?
@DemonHunter7609 You are one brainwashed, lost idiot if you are actually trying to make a case for the nonsense you are spouting out of your ass. Save this stuff for your 5 year-old's bedtime story.
You cannot prove a negative. So, no you cannot "prove" God does not exist, the same way you cannot prove fairies or the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. Nice try, though.
@ejdf870 Actually I can prove that the bunny and fairly don't exist, through everyone's parents. when your old enough, they admit that their the ones doing all that holiday stuff, so there's your proof for that. BTW calling me an idiot won't make you smart, so not only is every insult you make hurting you, but also makes you look like a hot-headed troll. It's impossible for you to make a response without insulting or cursing at someone, which makes you sound like a little kid.
@DemonHunter7609 Whatever you say "DemonHunter". You religious fanatics have A LOT of issues, my friends. Just because you so badly want your imaginary friend to exist does not mean he will exist for you. Get over yourself, it's not about you. Grow up and face reality, and stop trying to justify the idiocy that's in the Bible by making up CRAP. You're calling ME a little kid?
And, NO you have NOT proven that fairies don't exist, because if you have, then I have proven that God doesn't exist.
@ejdf870 there is more proof on the theist side than your's So you have to proove us wrong ! Prove there is no god give us scientific proof that we can research please ! because so far there is none !! Science calls it a unknown wich means god does exsist untill proven other wise ! So please provide the proof and evidence !
@Burnonyou I believe in the four-headed flying pink elephant. Prove there is no four-headed flying pink elephant; give me scientific proof that I can research please! Because there is none!! The four-headed flying pink elephant exists until proven otherwise! So please provide the proof and the evidence!
@ejdf870 Im dont beleave in a 4 headed flying pink elephant because there is no proof of that or books saying such a thing created the heavens and the earth ! But there is proof that jesus was the son of god so i do beleave that !!
@Burnonyou I'm still waiting for you to prove that the 4 headed flying pink elephant doesn't exist, since you so arrogantly and smugly challenged me to "prove there is no God".
@ejdf870 i dont worship a 4 headed flying pink elephant because it does not exisist thats not my argument there is no bible saying that there is one ! but there is a bible saying that there is a god and had a son named jesus that died on a cross and roseup 3 days later there where witnesses of it !
@Burnonyou Your "Bible" is only proof that a bunch of Bronze Age Middle Eastern men liked to write mythology, the same way the Greeks did.
So, since you cannot disprove a negative, the burden of proof, once again, rests squarely on YOUR shoulders to prove a supernatural being exists. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
@ejdf870 science has allready proved that the bible is true ! The burned of proof is on your shoulders because last time I checked there are more beleavers of the bible than not ! Go to shockofgods website he has more proof over there too !
@Burnonyou Oh, boy.....this is where I get off. I'm not even going to dignify this nonsense with an argument. It's obvious that you are a brainwashed religious fanatic who is in denial, and wouldn't listen to reason if his house were burning down.
From now on I'm not going to waste my time and energy arguing with people who have the mentality of a child. Have a nice day.
OK what proof is there that The koran is incorrect, greek and roman mythology are incorrect, because all of these other religions have books written about them, There were witnesses to many stories in all three of these religions
@ejdf870 I fucking hate you people! I'm atheist too, but saying "we KNOW that snakes don't talk, virgins don't conceive, and oceans don't part" is a redundant argument!
All of these stories are supposed to proof that God can do things that wouldn't normally be possible.
You CAN prove atheism by the way. In a way similar to this video. I will probably make my own with my own proof.
@ejdf870 For you to make a general statement like that, you must have come across EVERY snake that has lived, virgin that has lived & come across every body of water that has existed since the beginning of time... Have you?
@ejdf870 Why do you consider me crazy? Because I believe in something I haven't seen. I believe in a 1 million dollar bill, even though I haven't seen one before but, I've been told, it exists. This is called, faith! It's the substance of things hoped for with the evidence of things unseen! How can you be such a "free thinker" but still so narrow minded? & if I came across a talking snake, I'm not calling you! I'm rich!!
I just don't get how you can be so STUPID! You really believe in talking snakes, 1 million dollar bills and stuff like that because it has not been disproved yet? You sure you have no serious brain damage?Maybe you fell from a tree as a child? No? You know there are many people who suffer a brain damage but don't know it.
This is so insane. You actually claim that literally everything people can make up in their minds is true if it cannot be disproved.
Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have called you insane. I didn't mean to offend you but your reasoning has just driven me crazy.
And that's why I think religion is harmful, it makes normal people believe in the most idiotic things without having any shred of evidence. Religious people just believe whatever their holy books might say. And if "god" says that homosexuality is a sin or that atheists are evil wicked people etc., well, then that has to be true.
@EickhorstPokerPro First off, you don't have to be religious to believe in the existence of God. Secondly, life itself proves God's existence. How could life exist just by random chance. How does a mother produce milk to feed her new born child & milk is only released after the child is born? Life is God's finger print. Our universe is too controlled for it to exist only by chance.
No scientist claims that life exists by random chance. Evolution is NOT a random process. That's what a lot of people don't get. Evolution is actually chance and necessity and it is the most proven theory in the world.
Lol. You remember that thing in your head called brain? Apparently not.
Look can you prove that there is no flying spaghetti monster? No, you can't because in order to disprove that claim you'd have to know every single place in space, what is impossible. So does that mean that there is really a flying spaghetti monster? Of course not! And the same also applies to all theistic claims. As long as you have no evidence, the bible (or whatever holy book) is just a bunch of fairy tales.
Shock already knows all this, deep, deep down.... he simply choses to ignore it and peddle his "reasoning" behind his favourite fantasy because that's all he knows. For him, the truth is a very scary prospect.
@AllHeathens1 you atheist can't answer a simple question, instead, you just walk around it and throw insults at shock and every other christian you come in contact with. Your chosing to ignore the question.
@DemonHunter7609 Just because you can put a question mark after a sentence doesn't mean it is automatically capable of being a question. Here's a simple question for you, how do trees grow on the planet mars?
@DemonHunter7609 how do you know, have you been there? It's such a simple question, why can't you answer it? Stop evading the question. How do trees grow on mars?
@AllHeathens1 I have seen mars and so has NASA. If they did grow on mars then they would probably grow the same way they do on earth. is this good enough for you or do I need to dumb it down? I really don't want to have to dumb it down, it makes you look stupid (which I doubt you are, you're just acting it) and it waste both our times.
@AllHeathens1@MCP2012 Don't waste your breath, he is so brainwashed that reason eludes him. Here's a better way to prove that he really believes in science, and not "god"- the next time he gets injured watch if rushes to the hospital, or kneels down to pray for "god" to heal him. Seems to me that these religious charlatans act in a way that suggests science is more likely to be true than religion.
@DemonHunter7609 See, Demon, here's the thing, kid-o: This remark evinces u to not really understand 1 iota about logic, epistemology, metaphysics or anything else that comes into play in a sophisticated discussion of the (*pseudo*-)concept of "God". U want evidence? OK! How 'bout that the concept of God (Rick Swinburne to the contrary notwithstanding) is ultimately a LOGICALLY INCOHERENT concept! If something's logically incoherent, it sure-as-hell DOESN'T EXIST. Again, see works cited.
@DemonHunter7609 Indeed, think of it this way (as TJ, aka AmazingAtheist, has recently put it): It's NOT that "atheists can't answer a simple question". On the contrary, atheists (and pantheists) have been refuting the hell out of monotheism (especially Abrahamic monotheism) for **centuries**. So they've (the atheists) provided ANSWERS---but theists irrationally refuse to accept these answers!
@MCP2012 Ok, you've listed all these books (written by atheist) and you say that atheist have given us "proof" and "evidence" that atheism is accurate and correct, we just refuse to accept it. So, instead of all these books and the history lesson, how about you provide me with some answers then?
what proof and evidence can you provide that proves atheism is accurate and correct? and don't say that it's not a "real question" just answer it.
@DemonHunter7609 Wrong again, Demondude! Dean Overman is a fuckin' theist & Christian! His book is about the best shot (& even he concedes his "case", while strong, is not conclusive!!). OK, Sherlock: (1) If it takes BOOKS (or at least fairly long ESSAYS) to properly discuss this stuff, it is (AGAIN) unreasonable (bordering on *irrational*) of U to expect a 500-space-limit knock-down-drag-out refutation. WHAT do U *mean* by "God" anyway?! (2) But, all that notwithstanding (continued...)
@DemonHunter7609 Here's the answer: The very "concept" (please note the scare quotes, intended to indicate that it is ultimately merely a *pseudo*-concept) of "God" is, again Rick Swinburne notwithstanding, logically/metaphysically INCOHERENT. If u don't grasp the import of that, then I'm sorry, but I can't help u--u're fuckin' goddamn stupid to further discuss with. Here's Answer#2: The existence of EVIL. THAT is conclusive evidence that the Abrahamic "God" is a Myth---like unicorns!
@DemonHunter7609 SO, DemonHunter7609, I've just provided U & every other lame-brained "Christian" on YouTube with no less than TWO conclusive (albeit truncated) ANSWERS---in the form of "proof & evidence"---that the Abrahamic "God" is---logically/metaphysically speaking---strictly on a par with unicorns, leprechauns, etc. But U, I've little doubt, won't accept that. Indeed, U utterly fallaciously, question(s)-beggingly say that I "really" have "not" answered it. & so it goes...
@DemonHunter7609 "BTW I don't want to investigate atheism..." = "BTW, I'm a close-minded dullard who has no interest in intellectual exercise & investigation---I'm merely interested in shoring-up my own primitive, borderline-*irrational* belief system". But, if perchance, u get the urge to actually THINK about this stuff, how 'bout a short, 1-stop-shop? At least read Peter Angeles, *The Problem of God*, which is the best short intro one can find: Fair and thorough. I dare ya...[wink]
@MCP2012 really...4 comments to the same person. Complete with insults and curse words. You know, it's gonna be very hard for you to get your point across if your comments involve insults such as lame-brain, ignorant, primitive, or dullard (which means stupid BTW, you could've just said that) because that makes you sound frustrated and angry. Your comments aren't teaching me a lesson, and their not insulting me. They either make me laugh, or, they bore me. In this case it's the latter.
@DemonHunter7609 Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. Read some actual theology and *a*theology. Then perhaps we can talk. And, believe it or not, I wasn't out to insult u (at the very least not *per se* merely for the sake of so doing). U, after all, were the one who kept stupidly prattling on & on about "proof & evidence that atheism is true & correct". I provided u with PROOF *&* EVIDENCE. Accept it or not. I don't give a damn.
@MCP2012 Don't waste your breath, he is so brainwashed that reason eludes him. Here's a better way to prove that he really believes in science, and not "god"- the next time he gets injured watch if rushes to the hospital, or kneels down to pray for "god" to heal him. Seems to me that these religious charlatans act in a way that suggests science is more likely to be true than religion.
@AllHeathens1@AllHeathens1 That's the problem will all these religious fanatics. But their actions betray their beliefs. Just observe what they DO, and you will see what they REALLY believe. When they get sick do they kneel and pray, or do they go to a doctor? Their actions reveal that they believe science is much more likely to be true than religion.
@shockofgod Hey, Shock, why'd u block me?! U need to man-up & quick begging the hell out of the various relevant questions. Have u even studied atheism? Deism? Pantheism? If not (and I suspect not), then u quite **literally** don't know what u're running ur mouth about.
@goby326 Not a very learned or well-read one, I dare venture to say...Indeed, he doesn't strike me as particularly either intelligent or well-read in **either** theology or (especially) philosophy and *a*theology.
@MCP2012 This COCKROACH does this to everyone who doesn't agree with him.
He poses a "challenge" to atheists to answer his question on his channel, and when you reply with a comment, it says "comment pending approval", which means your answer will not get posted, and you just wasted your time typing.
He's a real piece of work; not to mention a dishonest bastard who is quite ignorant and brainwashed.
BTW my response to his question is posted above, since it wasn't allowed on his video.
@MCP2012 How does he not know what he's running his mouth about? It's just a simple question. what evidence can you provide that proves atheism to be accurate and correct? It's not various questions, it's only one.
@DemonHunter7609 How 'bout EVIL, for one? SoG is a lame-brain, who obviously hasn't read anything more sophisticated than, say, Lee Strobel's slanted, question(s)-begging drivel. Look, if YOU really want to investigate atheism (or at least non-theism), check-out Nick Everitt's *The Non-Existence of God* as well as Dave Steele's *Atheism Explained*. But see also Dean Overman, *A Case For the Existence of God*. See also Mike Martin, *Atheism: A Philosophical Justification*. Check 'em out!
@DemonHunter7609 Besides you obviously don't even fully understand my comment to which u're replying. SoG BEGS THE HELL OUT OF VARIOUS METAPHYSICAL AND/OR EPISTEMOLOGICAL QUESTIONS. UR remark, "It's not various questions, its only one" clearly evinces that U don't even (at least not fully) understand/appreciated wtf I originally said!! In addition to the previous books I recommended, see also George Smith, *Atheism: The Case Against God*, and Rich. Gale, *On the Nature & Existence of God*.
@potsocket Finally! A reasonable comment from a Christian with at least some (perhaps quite a bit of) intellectual honesty & *integrity*. Good for you, Potsocket!
@potsocket Oh, there r indeed a few bright folk who're theists---there're very, very few of 'em (present interlocutor excepted) on Youfuckin'Tube, however. Most, tho indeed perhaps not quite all, monotheists (especially Abrahamic monotheists) here in YouTube evince themselves to be very nearly totally neo-cortically brain-dead!
@potsocket Hmmm....I seem to've spoken a bit too soon & a bit too optimistically. With all due respect, ID "theory" is rubbish, & has been thoroughly trounced intellectually. It might behoove u instead to check out James Gardner's stuff: See his books, *Biocosm* and *The Intelligent Universe: AI, ET, and the Emerging Mind of the Cosmos*. "Neocortical" refers to the brain's neocortex, more specifically the pre-frontal lobes, where mentation takes place.
One might ask,"Is there any evidence that an atheistic veiwpoint will create a better life experience than a theistic veiwpoint?"...And don't make a jackass out of yourself when asking this question.I think it's fair to say that nobody likes their assertions or beliefs being questioned from a position of arrogance.
Theists claim that their god made the universe and everything in it. If such a god existed I would regard that god as having supreme inteligence. Religious scripture whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim or whatever which are purely and simply lies written by humans would be nothing but an insult to the intelligence of that god were he to exist. Atheists claim they don't believe god exists. I personally would take that a step further and say that I am an atheist because there is definitely no god
What upsets me about sog though is his promotion of hatred. Example: on his show, in his vids, & in comments on others' vids he frequently repeats the claim that atheists are increasingly hated. He pretends it doesn't include HIM but states that more & more people utterly loathe atheists for the terrible things they say & do so you're crazy to be one. His intention can only be to encourage persecution by the more thuggish of his fans, with a 2ndary aim of making atheists shut up from fear
This Shock joker is really evil, by the way. I've seen a few of his vids & heard his own show where atheists call. You think he was bad calling in? He's even worse on his show, with more power.
He's no Einstien but he can't be stupid therefore he must be deliberately dishonest.
He repeats the same phrasing over & over again, also when claiming he used to be "a member of the humanist religion of atheism" but left because they couldn't provide evidence - an obvious lie
It's a very good attempt, Think. I like your suggestion that theists look for verifiable claims; it'll lead some of them to atheism - sneaky!
As you say near the end, you've reworded the question as atheism is (now I'm rewording) a description of a phenomenon applicable to a group.
It's as nonsensical as asking "what proof or evidence have you that sugar is accurate and correct?" except that atheism is an abstract noun. Sugar is simply sugar. Theism is theism and atheism is not.
i think it was ok. "the proof or evidence that atheism is accurate and correct is the proof or evidence that theistic claims are incorrect" is implying we as atheists have proof or evidence that they are incorrect.
@jkjkjij22 evidence in this case would be logical reasoning as opposed to physical evidence. For atheism to be correct, it would only have to validly reject the theistic claims. The basis for this rejection, the logically valid refutations, is the evidence.
@richaldeano that's true, i never looked at it that way. so, for example,if there was enormous amount of evidence For the existence of god then you'd be illogical in being an Atheist. i don't think anyone is wrong for believing what they believe. because if they do that means that the evidence provided to them is enough. something that is enough for someone else may not be sufficient for other people. either way evidence must be provided by the claimant. how much evidence is enough is personal
@jkjkjij22 Very well stated. I would have to agree with you on this. There is only so much to interpret from a youtube comment. Thanks for clarifying that.
And how do you know that what you 'know is true? It will feel absolutely true for you, though someone with a contradictory 'truth' will feel exactly the same! So how do we decide whose 'truth' is the 'real truth'? As for what Einstein said, who gives a damn? Stephen Hawking states that no god is necessary for the existence of the universe...he MUST be right, as he's the current 'Einstein'.! Of course not. Once we emply this 'you will know the truth' stuff we build castles in the air.
'If you actually desire to know, you will'. Many deeply sincere people, in many different cultures and times, have honestly and passionately believed that they have 'found the truth'. And they all spoke the statement given above which means ' If you are REALLY sincere and honest you will find that MY truth is the real truth'. Muslims, christians, and hindus (amongst others) believe with 100% sincerity that they have the 'truth', and that YOU will find it too, if you are really sincere.
Bit patronising my friend; I have spent 63 years questioning. What you mean that as my questioning yields a different answer than yours I need to do a bit more questioning! Priceless! The only answers that I will accept ARE scientific ones, based on evidence.... though there can never be any certainty. How does one establish which of a thousand DIFFERENT religious views are 'right'? SINCERITY resides in all irrational beliefs, even ones that have died out, or proved nonsensical.
@derek24hudson Exactly. Religions are simply attempts to reach god. You could very well start your own. It is bewildering. Every religion claims to be the best. It is therefore important to question. If your questions cannot be answered, then it is not rite for you. Only you can know your sincerity. If you actually desire to know, you will.
You don't need to subscribe to my belief. Like Albert Einstein said, religion without science is lame. This process IS scientific.
Al-Quran has 1400 years ago and Muslim Scientists has been declared "He (God) makes you (human), in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness".
Al Quran sura Az Zumar;6
".....He (God) makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. . . ."
Have the Bible and scientists states "He (God ) makes you (human), in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness"?
I almost said that i disagreed with your claim that a dogma of atheism is "You must find theistic claims unworthy of believing in." But, then, if I DID ever find that theistic claims actually did meet their burden of proof and they became worthy of belief, i suppose i would at that point become a theist. Almost got me there. ;-)
I've gotta say, I agree with most of what you're saying. Especially in the description about Shock. I'm not an atheist, I do believe in God, but I think that people should be free (and in many countries, they are) to believe what they want without major criticism, which is what Shock does. If I was asked to give a statement that I think that God exists, it would be that everything in the universe is way too interconnected to be just random. I think there should be something that created it all.
just wanting to point this out, the flood does have a bit of evidence in its favor, even in a scientific manner. almost every, if not every mountain range in the world has been found to have fossil remains of marine life at the top. For example, clusters of hundreds of gigantic (300kg/650lbs) oysters found atop the Andes Mountains in South America. also flood traditions, in cultures from africa to asia to europe are abundant. they all have stories about a great flood.
I think that the burden of proof may actually be on atheists. This is because a version of theism is generally accepted among the masses. Therefore it would be atheists making the claim that there is no God. That is the claim since it is generally accepted by most people that there is a God. If most people were atheists, then people started preaching about God, theists would need to provide proof. The view that goes against society is the view that needs evidence, for they are making claims.
@RMBVP atheism seems to be pointed upon the disbelief of any god. Theism is a belief that a god exists. Theism and Atheism have different religions to verify them. Atheism has humanism, and Buddism, and other types. If anyone studies the Bible, they can see the historicity within it concerning Christianity and points working within such. Personal research notes the Bible as a bunch of history books and biographies with fulfilled/fulfilling prophecy here and there.
Believers often contend that god 'had' to give us free will for a variety of reasons, one being to explain cruelty, sin etc. (Though the EXTREME cruelty of the animal world is not explained. Carnivores, predators, parasites, famine, disease...)
1 'God' MUST have foreseen the suffering of mankind owing to freewill.
2 ''god' did need NEED to create anything...it is self sufficient, with NO needs.
3 Yet he CHOSE to go ahead.
THEREFORE he is cruel in causing unnecessary suffering.
@derek24hudson I feel your pain. It does seem unfair. The thing is though, without free will, you might as well be a stone or dirt. What seems more fair?
1-I agree. He knows PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE. What parents do you think want their kids to be rascals and cheaters? Yet, we see, there are plenty. Owing to the free will we so need. Our suffering is caused because we choose to associate with the bad instead of the good.
2-God needed us as much as parents enjoy having children.
1 IF you KNEW that your kids would die in excrutiating agony would you go ahead and have them because you 'needed them'? Please answer.
2 God, by definition, cannot NEED anything, or 'he' is NOT god. Don't you understand this ? An all-sufficient, all-powerful etc god cannot NEED anything; he mat WANT, but that's different.
So, to recap, a god, not needful of anything, decided, because he WANTED to, to make creatures suffer and die.
@derek24hudson 1- That's exactly why there is heaven also. There's a balance. The free will you have chooses either side. It would seem unfair if the only choice was pain and agony.
2-Exactly. He does not NEED. He does not NEED to do or not do. He acts freely. He made you because he felt like it. He gave you options. You can choose either one.
RECAP: God created because he felt like it. You are here now, choose to live in pain or happiness with the free will he so kindly gave you.
No, you still don't get. ANY being who would create other sentient beings KNOWING that millions would suffer in agony is a monster, immoral and unworthy of respect. There was no NEED to do this, you say. So WHY DO IT?
He gave OPTIONS? Here's an option; Believe in me (even if you can't) OR i will destroy you, ot torture you for ever...but you have the FREEDOM to choose!!
A god HAD to create a system where billions of animals (includibg us HAVE to die and suffer in fear and agony?
@derek24hudson (1) Yes He does not HAVE to do anything.Getting frustrated about this matter will only hurt you. If you are drowning and someone throws a rope at you, it is not wise to calculate where this rope is coming from. Rather, use the rope and save your life. The fact is, because we are spiritual beings by nature, no amount of material happiness can make us happy. I very much agree with you that the cruelty to animals is not justified by any means. The law of karma WILL catch up to those.
Who's getting frustrated? How can I be frustrated about the asupposed evil actions of a being whose existence I don't believe in?!! If we're 'drowning, according to you' it's because 'god' pushed you into the water and then offers you a rope...MORAL; don't push people in the water, then say 'now I have the POWER to save you..'. That's cruel, unnecessary and immoral. I have a little frustration..when 'debaters' won't answer simple questions...you know, the one about having kids?
@derek24hudson I have tried to answer each one of your questions to the best of my capacity. If you are not satisfied, you should seek someone else to argue with. My friend, you are only as great as what it takes to make you angry. Denying facts of life does not hide them. Accept the facts of life and only then you can solve their mysteries. I answered each of your questions. You can ask again if you think I didn't. Please try to read the answers though.
...and, frustratingly, you haven't answered question 2!
COULD god have created a world without famine, disease, etc....
I think you might agree that 'he' could?But chose not to do so. That's what we call immoral, evil and sadistic. If you COULD create a world in which your kids did not suffer unnecessarily (EVEN if 'things even out in the end') and chose not to, you make yourself an equal brute. Cruelty TO animals? What? We're talking about intrinsic cruelty of 'creation'.
@derek24hudson When you study the scriptures, you learn that this material realm isn't even one third of the spiritual realm. Actually majority of the population resides in the spiritual world. Somehow other, due to our ignorance, we have fallen in this situation thus the goal is to go back. This material world is compared to a prison house. Every city has a prison house. It's not that the government expects everyone to be criminals, but they know some will be so they construct prison house.
Suffering in humans has the same causes as suffering in ALL the (sinful) animal kingdom; disease, famine, predation, death, natural disasters, competition, parasites (made by god?), etc. The free will of deer, gazelles, sparrows causes this suffering? Really? So, what makes you think that it is any different in humans?
The number one killer of humans is,,,,? Yes malaria, caused by the 'free will' of a gid making a parasite to spread the disease, or just part of nature/survival?
@derek24hudson Birth, death, old age and disease are there.They effect every living being in this material realm.I can misuse my free will and hurt you although you may not be at fault.It effects you even though you were an innocent bystander. In return, the law of Karma will catch up to me and there will be justice.In spiritual understanding it is accepted that we are eternal beings.With that POV it is not hard to understand that the source of our pains is from our own actions.Past or present.
'The law of karma' is not a law, only in the belief systems of various people. If you believe it, fine, but then people believe thousands of contradictory things by faith.
PLEASE answer at least ONE question.
1 Would you have kids if you KNEW they would die in agony from cancer? (You don't NEED them.)
2 COULD god have created a world without disease, parasites, predation, ttorment, fear, famine, earthquakes, death?
3 The source of pain for gazelles etc is from PAST actions?
yada yada Lunacy is politicaly correct too. This ones easy stubbornists. Prove even one single thing Christ Jesus ever said that is NOT true. HE is the most studied and sought after person in history, yet NO one has EVER been able to prove him wrong! Doesnt that tell you something? And before you say something stupid about "religioin" (an atheists favorite word) I havent even scratched the surface of history, science (in all ares) the universe, and the personal testimonies of millions. HELLO!+++
hevy99 1 week ago
You are my new hero for today :-)
Tolya1979 2 months ago
shockofdog can't understand this. Trolls aren't very smart.
PlutoPowered 2 months ago
Both sides of this over simplify the issue at hand. The "burden of proof" debate, between atheists and theists, assumes the question is only factual and ignores the issue of governing presuppositions.
Frankdude1000 2 months ago
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Frankdude1000 2 months ago
I don't get it.?
xElaments 2 months ago
Me to creationist: What kind of logic is that Newtonian or Quantum?
mattgresh1 3 months ago
It was a waste to respond to Shock. The only reason to respond to the question is to communicate the message to others, but ShockofGod will never get it... ever.
stormblast49 3 months ago
Way to represent the replublic with that shoot all skaters shirt...
christoph2005 4 months ago
genius, what are your "more plausible theories?"
dog22boy 6 months ago
incorrect. Christianity excepts the Jewish history and scriptures, but follows a new covenant after the Messiah. It doesn't reject Judaism. where does Christianity claim the world is flat?
dog22boy 6 months ago
are you arguing that the universe came from nothing for no reason? Do you have any evidence for the claim? any philosophical, logical explanation?
This guy claims that religion claims the earth is flat, actually Columbus, reading the Bible, decided that the world was round, saw evidence of it, and set out to verify it.
dog22boy 6 months ago
@GunOfGod777 really so you was there?
curemymind 6 months ago
it's not "religion vs science". Science supports the existence of an infinite being.
you can't make a scientific argument that God does not exist. Don't try it. Arguing a negative is impossible. for example, Prove i didn't cut your lawn last year.
dog22boy 6 months ago
can you respond logically to this argument?
Everything that exists must have a cause, and a beginning. The universe exists, there fore it must have a cause
dog22boy 6 months ago
@dog22boy Says who? why does everything that exsit must have a cause? But i see your point, an action caused by a reaction... but could it be possilbe that it moved it's self and from that everyting else came to be... something that didn't need a cause? If there is a cause to everything then the begining becomes a paradox.. the begining of the begining of the begning to infinity... which makes logic get thrown away
curemymind 6 months ago
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NerdboiisAfroMan 7 months ago
I honestly think that your stance in this matter is wrong.. Atheism in itself is a lack of belief.. To make us believe in something, proof would be needed, so there would be a base to place our beliefs on. The problem with religion is, that when a atheist asks if 'There is proof in the existence of god'. They usually say that the complete world is proof enough.. Which is wrong, as there are more plausible theories, without a superior ''guy'' being involved. They are just ignorant on the theory.
geenius3ab 7 months ago
The Earth WOULD be the centre of an infinite universe.
Tonnredein 10 months ago
Religion vs science.
*grabs popcorn*
smartergroup 10 months ago
Atheism is simply the new church. Basic human psychology does not cease to exist when a person declares antheism nor does it make the person any less needful of having their beliefs confirmed, written into text and supported by fellow believers.
podedwards 10 months ago
@DeaconDeZ
I guess youtube is not the right place to explain the whole theory of evolution but I highly recommend you to check out this great website: evolution.berkeley.edu
Before you start to criticize the theory of evolution (which is btw accepted by about 99% of all scientists in the world) you should at least first have a basic understanding of it.
EickhorstPokerPro 10 months ago
@keneyed209 I don't get it... either you're incredibly thick-headed, or satirical
ThinkAbout1t 11 months ago
@ThinkAbout1t He's making a joke on the fact that many Christians provide the bible as evidence for their belief.
gohoggyourself 10 months ago
Since it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of a god in the scientific sense, "proof," when referring to supernatural claims, becomes a relevant term determined by one's personal criteria. For example, someone might say, "there is enough evidence for me to believe..."
I think the real answer to Shock's question is: What would prove to HIM that atheism is accurate and correct?"
Once HIS criteria is established, then the "evidence" could be presented.
BTW, Great shirt!
sinebass808 1 year ago
Go to your address bar, after the word YOU and before the word TUBE, type in "win" then press enter
MagicStraightJacket 1 year ago
The only atheists who believe that atheism is the most rational and accurate conclusion haven't smoked DMT or have taken Terence McKenna's recommendation of eating five dried grams of psilocybin-containing mushrooms.
Hanahleia 1 year ago
I think you gave him too much credit for the poor structure of the question and lack of understanding of the definition of atheism. He would have stopped you at your first words and said "I didn't ask for a definition, I asked for proof and evidence!"
Essentially, it was as if he asked, "What's the proof or evidence that your favorite colour is blue is correct?"
The question itself, speaks volumes of his ignorance.
chynamese 1 year ago
Q: Why Atheism Is "Accurate and Correct?"
A: It does what it says on the tin.
BunWackettBuzzard 1 year ago
You will never be able to answer the question because it doesn't make any sense. The guy is a nut case.
LevelheadedFitness 1 year ago
So you're saying that the Bible says the earth is flat and the center of the universe?
BAHHAHAHAHAA!!!! OMG NOT ANOTHER ONE!
TheStigmadeign 1 year ago
Do you have proof that theistic claims are incorrect?
TheStigmadeign 1 year ago
Atheist are making the claim there is no God. SO PROVE IT. If you can't then you are admitting there is the POSSIBILITY there is a God. This makes you an agnostic not an atheist.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 - "Atheist are making the claim there is no God. SO PROVE IT. If you can't then you are admitting there is the POSSIBILITY there is a God. This makes you an agnostic not an atheist."
Translation table:
You say ATHEIST, most Atheists say GNOSTIC (or STRONG) ATHEIST
You say AGNOSTIC, most Atheists say AGNOSTIC ATHEIST
There's no real right/wrong to this. We're just using slightly different wording to describe the same thing.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 Isn't atheism the lack of belief in a God? I'm not saying there isn't a God, an easter bunny, a fairy ext. I just don't believe there is any of those things. So I'm an atheist.
LevelheadedFitness 1 year ago
@LevelheadedFitness You're an agnostic. Atheism is the claim there is no God. You CANNOT prove atheism.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 Your a fucking idiot. Look up the word atheism. Atheism: Someone who denies the existence of a god. Denies: refuse to admit the existence of something. I'm simply saying I don't believe there is a God, I don't believe one exists. I'm not saying there is NO GOD THAT EXISTS, I choose not to believe one does. I do NOT think that there could be a God, much like I don't think there could be a fairy. However that does not mean I claim to know that both don't exist.
LevelheadedFitness 1 year ago
@LevelheadedFitness So, you're an agnostic. How many times do I need to repeat this?
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 No.....How did you not get that? I'm an atheist, someone who denies the existence of god. I don't think there COULD BE A GOD. So I'm not an agnostic. The only reason you don't understand is because you don't know what an atheist is. An atheist is not someone who claims there isn't a god.
LevelheadedFitness 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 I just fucking gave you the definition of atheism. You said that atheism is the claim that there is no god, although every dictionary would disagree with you. I do not think there could be a god, so I'm not an agnostic. Can I be any clearer?
LevelheadedFitness 1 year ago
can u explain this with easier wording i didnt really get where u were coming from but i am atheist all the way
speedykong 1 year ago
Woohoo Calgary flames! Haha :D
But, back to what i was saying. So your saying that the only reason why Atheism is correct, is because god is incorrect?
Your theory is stupid. I`m not say " You "Specifically as a person are stupid, I'm just saying your theory is. Because your explanation doesn't { E x p l a i n } , a whole lot. Personally, I don`t know what to believe. So I`m [ not ] gonna say that your wrong. But at the same time I'm not gonna say ur right. But maybe u are right...Maybe.
3OH3x1 1 year ago
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I believe in the flying spaghetti monster. What proof and evidence do you have that your non-belief in the flying spaghetti monster is accurate and correct?
ejdf870 1 year ago
Atheism is saying god doesn't exist. Any source says something along the lines of denying god. Your think of agnosticism if you believe in the chance that god exists. You can't be both so pick one. Theist and atheist are the very left and the very right of the theoretical table. Agnosticism is the space in between where you admit you don't know if god does or doesn't exist.
Pucker7 1 year ago
0:46 In fact atheism as the most worlds dictionaries show is "The doctrine of deny the existence of God, any gods, and any evidence that will ever be brought for this case!
If I'm subscribing to Christianity, this means that I have a negative belief about other deities (meaning that Allah does NOT exist), but that after, the "American definition " is not Atheism ...right?
Atheism = NO God! ( what is Accurate and Correct on that?)
VyckRo 1 year ago
Humanist Religion of Atheism?????????
Man, what an idiot!
Bowmaj21 1 year ago
I'm going to answer this question the RIGHT way, since it's frustrating to watch Atheists stumble and fumble over it.
The burden of proof rests on THEISM to demonstrate that it is "accurate and correct", NOT the other way around.
Also, we KNOW that snakes don't talk, virgins don't conceive, and oceans don't part.
Our "proof" is that your claims are outlandish and ridiculous, and scientific evidence supports exactly the opposite.
ejdf870 1 year ago 18
@ejdf870 WAIT SNAKES DON'T TALK, OH SHI-
Daves0r 1 year ago
@ejdf870 As far as it goes, WELL-SAID!
MCP2012 1 year ago
@ejdf870 1. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence .
2. We have evidence, the bible, Jesus Christ we just don't have proof.
3. If we had proof we wouldn't require faith.
4.The reason why the burden of proof lies on atheism is because they are making a claim unlike Christians who just believe.
5. The question is asking why believe in atheism (dumbed down version) so what's the answer?
6. Referencing anything other then the gospel or letters in the bible is a straw man because you're judg
Pucker7 1 year ago
@Pucker7 ing the science of that time which has nothing to do with modern Christianity.
Pucker7 1 year ago
@Pucker7 If you are actually trying to make a case for talking snakes, etc, then I rest my case, and I don't even want to bother arguing with you.
ejdf870 1 year ago
@ejdf870 wow you really need to learn to read better. I said that that is old science. Not modern science. Today Christians use that as more of a metaphorical guideline of how to be a good Christian. An argument based on that is attacking Christians that existed 2000 years ago. Good luck with that and good for you.
Pucker7 1 year ago
@Pucker7 So, since (by your own admission) "Christianity" is subject to change as science learns more about the universe, why not just believe in science??? Why still rely on this label, this crutch that is "faith"? And, faith in what exactly, since it seems that faith eventually cedes to science anyway when it becomes ridiculous to argue against what is evident ?
ejdf870 1 year ago
@ejdf870 That's not answering his question, dont you guys get it?
what proof and evidence can you provide that proves atheism is accurate and correct?!
Snakes don't talk on their own, and oceans don't part on their own, yes we know that. Satan spoke through the snake, and God parted the ocean, and God is above science. Science cannot disprove God, therefore out "claims" are not ridiculous and outlandish. Can your science prove that the universe just "happened"?
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 You are one brainwashed, lost idiot if you are actually trying to make a case for the nonsense you are spouting out of your ass. Save this stuff for your 5 year-old's bedtime story.
You cannot prove a negative. So, no you cannot "prove" God does not exist, the same way you cannot prove fairies or the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. Nice try, though.
ejdf870 1 year ago
@ejdf870 Actually I can prove that the bunny and fairly don't exist, through everyone's parents. when your old enough, they admit that their the ones doing all that holiday stuff, so there's your proof for that. BTW calling me an idiot won't make you smart, so not only is every insult you make hurting you, but also makes you look like a hot-headed troll. It's impossible for you to make a response without insulting or cursing at someone, which makes you sound like a little kid.
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 Whatever you say "DemonHunter". You religious fanatics have A LOT of issues, my friends. Just because you so badly want your imaginary friend to exist does not mean he will exist for you. Get over yourself, it's not about you. Grow up and face reality, and stop trying to justify the idiocy that's in the Bible by making up CRAP. You're calling ME a little kid?
And, NO you have NOT proven that fairies don't exist, because if you have, then I have proven that God doesn't exist.
ejdf870 1 year ago
@ejdf870 you mad bro?
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@ejdf870 there is more proof on the theist side than your's So you have to proove us wrong ! Prove there is no god give us scientific proof that we can research please ! because so far there is none !! Science calls it a unknown wich means god does exsist untill proven other wise ! So please provide the proof and evidence !
Burnonyou 1 year ago
@Burnonyou I believe in the four-headed flying pink elephant. Prove there is no four-headed flying pink elephant; give me scientific proof that I can research please! Because there is none!! The four-headed flying pink elephant exists until proven otherwise! So please provide the proof and the evidence!
ejdf870 1 year ago
@ejdf870 Im dont beleave in a 4 headed flying pink elephant because there is no proof of that or books saying such a thing created the heavens and the earth ! But there is proof that jesus was the son of god so i do beleave that !!
Burnonyou 1 year ago
@Burnonyou I'm still waiting for you to prove that the 4 headed flying pink elephant doesn't exist, since you so arrogantly and smugly challenged me to "prove there is no God".
ejdf870 1 year ago
@ejdf870 i dont worship a 4 headed flying pink elephant because it does not exisist thats not my argument there is no bible saying that there is one ! but there is a bible saying that there is a god and had a son named jesus that died on a cross and roseup 3 days later there where witnesses of it !
Burnonyou 1 year ago
@Burnonyou Your "Bible" is only proof that a bunch of Bronze Age Middle Eastern men liked to write mythology, the same way the Greeks did.
So, since you cannot disprove a negative, the burden of proof, once again, rests squarely on YOUR shoulders to prove a supernatural being exists. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
ejdf870 1 year ago
@ejdf870 science has allready proved that the bible is true ! The burned of proof is on your shoulders because last time I checked there are more beleavers of the bible than not ! Go to shockofgods website he has more proof over there too !
Burnonyou 1 year ago
@Burnonyou Oh, boy.....this is where I get off. I'm not even going to dignify this nonsense with an argument. It's obvious that you are a brainwashed religious fanatic who is in denial, and wouldn't listen to reason if his house were burning down.
From now on I'm not going to waste my time and energy arguing with people who have the mentality of a child. Have a nice day.
ejdf870 1 year ago
@ejdf870 Talk about mentality of a child you talk about a 4 headed flying pink elephant !! LOL atheism is madness !!!
Burnonyou 1 year ago
@Burnonyou .....Have a nice day.
ejdf870 1 year ago
@Burnonyou You're on a whole 'nother level of ignorance.
Ambibbly 1 year ago
@Burnonyou
OK what proof is there that The koran is incorrect, greek and roman mythology are incorrect, because all of these other religions have books written about them, There were witnesses to many stories in all three of these religions
duffy3131 1 year ago
@Burnonyou
You are wrong there, There is proof of a man named Jesus but there is absolutly no proof to his claims that he was the son of god
duffy3131 1 year ago
@ejdf870 I fucking hate you people! I'm atheist too, but saying "we KNOW that snakes don't talk, virgins don't conceive, and oceans don't part" is a redundant argument!
All of these stories are supposed to proof that God can do things that wouldn't normally be possible.
You CAN prove atheism by the way. In a way similar to this video. I will probably make my own with my own proof.
xenomann442 1 year ago
@ejdf870 For you to make a general statement like that, you must have come across EVERY snake that has lived, virgin that has lived & come across every body of water that has existed since the beginning of time... Have you?
DeaconDeZ 1 year ago
@DeaconDeZ Well, when you come across a snake that talks, and a virgin who has conceived let me know. I'll call Bellvue for you.
ejdf870 1 year ago
@ejdf870 Why do you consider me crazy? Because I believe in something I haven't seen. I believe in a 1 million dollar bill, even though I haven't seen one before but, I've been told, it exists. This is called, faith! It's the substance of things hoped for with the evidence of things unseen! How can you be such a "free thinker" but still so narrow minded? & if I came across a talking snake, I'm not calling you! I'm rich!!
DeaconDeZ 1 year ago
@DeaconDeZ OH....boy.
ejdf870 1 year ago
@DeaconDeZ
I just don't get how you can be so STUPID! You really believe in talking snakes, 1 million dollar bills and stuff like that because it has not been disproved yet? You sure you have no serious brain damage?Maybe you fell from a tree as a child? No? You know there are many people who suffer a brain damage but don't know it.
This is so insane. You actually claim that literally everything people can make up in their minds is true if it cannot be disproved.
EickhorstPokerPro 10 months ago
@DeaconDeZ
Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have called you insane. I didn't mean to offend you but your reasoning has just driven me crazy.
And that's why I think religion is harmful, it makes normal people believe in the most idiotic things without having any shred of evidence. Religious people just believe whatever their holy books might say. And if "god" says that homosexuality is a sin or that atheists are evil wicked people etc., well, then that has to be true.
EickhorstPokerPro 10 months ago
@EickhorstPokerPro First off, you don't have to be religious to believe in the existence of God. Secondly, life itself proves God's existence. How could life exist just by random chance. How does a mother produce milk to feed her new born child & milk is only released after the child is born? Life is God's finger print. Our universe is too controlled for it to exist only by chance.
DeaconDeZ 10 months ago
@DeaconDeZ
No scientist claims that life exists by random chance. Evolution is NOT a random process. That's what a lot of people don't get. Evolution is actually chance and necessity and it is the most proven theory in the world.
EickhorstPokerPro 10 months ago
@DeaconDeZ
Lol. You remember that thing in your head called brain? Apparently not.
Look can you prove that there is no flying spaghetti monster? No, you can't because in order to disprove that claim you'd have to know every single place in space, what is impossible. So does that mean that there is really a flying spaghetti monster? Of course not! And the same also applies to all theistic claims. As long as you have no evidence, the bible (or whatever holy book) is just a bunch of fairy tales.
EickhorstPokerPro 10 months ago
Shock already knows all this, deep, deep down.... he simply choses to ignore it and peddle his "reasoning" behind his favourite fantasy because that's all he knows. For him, the truth is a very scary prospect.
AllHeathens1 1 year ago
@AllHeathens1 you atheist can't answer a simple question, instead, you just walk around it and throw insults at shock and every other christian you come in contact with. Your chosing to ignore the question.
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 Just because you can put a question mark after a sentence doesn't mean it is automatically capable of being a question. Here's a simple question for you, how do trees grow on the planet mars?
AllHeathens1 1 year ago
@AllHeathens1 There are no trees on mars.
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 how do you know, have you been there? It's such a simple question, why can't you answer it? Stop evading the question. How do trees grow on mars?
AllHeathens1 1 year ago
@AllHeathens1 I have seen mars and so has NASA. If they did grow on mars then they would probably grow the same way they do on earth. is this good enough for you or do I need to dumb it down? I really don't want to have to dumb it down, it makes you look stupid (which I doubt you are, you're just acting it) and it waste both our times.
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 what you've seen all of mars? I doubt it. It''s such a simple question, how do trees grow on mars? I don't care how they grow here.
AllHeathens1 1 year ago
@AllHeathens1 I have seen all of Mars there bud, doubt it all you'd like.
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 do you have any evidence that your assertion that there are no tree on mars is accurate and correct?
AllHeathens1 1 year ago
@AllHeathens1 @MCP2012 Don't waste your breath, he is so brainwashed that reason eludes him. Here's a better way to prove that he really believes in science, and not "god"- the next time he gets injured watch if rushes to the hospital, or kneels down to pray for "god" to heal him. Seems to me that these religious charlatans act in a way that suggests science is more likely to be true than religion.
ejdf870 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 See, Demon, here's the thing, kid-o: This remark evinces u to not really understand 1 iota about logic, epistemology, metaphysics or anything else that comes into play in a sophisticated discussion of the (*pseudo*-)concept of "God". U want evidence? OK! How 'bout that the concept of God (Rick Swinburne to the contrary notwithstanding) is ultimately a LOGICALLY INCOHERENT concept! If something's logically incoherent, it sure-as-hell DOESN'T EXIST. Again, see works cited.
MCP2012 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 Indeed, think of it this way (as TJ, aka AmazingAtheist, has recently put it): It's NOT that "atheists can't answer a simple question". On the contrary, atheists (and pantheists) have been refuting the hell out of monotheism (especially Abrahamic monotheism) for **centuries**. So they've (the atheists) provided ANSWERS---but theists irrationally refuse to accept these answers!
MCP2012 1 year ago
@MCP2012 Ok, you've listed all these books (written by atheist) and you say that atheist have given us "proof" and "evidence" that atheism is accurate and correct, we just refuse to accept it. So, instead of all these books and the history lesson, how about you provide me with some answers then?
what proof and evidence can you provide that proves atheism is accurate and correct? and don't say that it's not a "real question" just answer it.
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 Wrong again, Demondude! Dean Overman is a fuckin' theist & Christian! His book is about the best shot (& even he concedes his "case", while strong, is not conclusive!!). OK, Sherlock: (1) If it takes BOOKS (or at least fairly long ESSAYS) to properly discuss this stuff, it is (AGAIN) unreasonable (bordering on *irrational*) of U to expect a 500-space-limit knock-down-drag-out refutation. WHAT do U *mean* by "God" anyway?! (2) But, all that notwithstanding (continued...)
MCP2012 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 Here's the answer: The very "concept" (please note the scare quotes, intended to indicate that it is ultimately merely a *pseudo*-concept) of "God" is, again Rick Swinburne notwithstanding, logically/metaphysically INCOHERENT. If u don't grasp the import of that, then I'm sorry, but I can't help u--u're fuckin' goddamn stupid to further discuss with. Here's Answer#2: The existence of EVIL. THAT is conclusive evidence that the Abrahamic "God" is a Myth---like unicorns!
MCP2012 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 SO, DemonHunter7609, I've just provided U & every other lame-brained "Christian" on YouTube with no less than TWO conclusive (albeit truncated) ANSWERS---in the form of "proof & evidence"---that the Abrahamic "God" is---logically/metaphysically speaking---strictly on a par with unicorns, leprechauns, etc. But U, I've little doubt, won't accept that. Indeed, U utterly fallaciously, question(s)-beggingly say that I "really" have "not" answered it. & so it goes...
MCP2012 1 year ago
@MCP2012 BTW I don't want to investigate atheism, and I don't want to start a little flame war. I just want to see atheist answer this question.
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 "BTW I don't want to investigate atheism..." = "BTW, I'm a close-minded dullard who has no interest in intellectual exercise & investigation---I'm merely interested in shoring-up my own primitive, borderline-*irrational* belief system". But, if perchance, u get the urge to actually THINK about this stuff, how 'bout a short, 1-stop-shop? At least read Peter Angeles, *The Problem of God*, which is the best short intro one can find: Fair and thorough. I dare ya...[wink]
MCP2012 1 year ago
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DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@MCP2012 really...4 comments to the same person. Complete with insults and curse words. You know, it's gonna be very hard for you to get your point across if your comments involve insults such as lame-brain, ignorant, primitive, or dullard (which means stupid BTW, you could've just said that) because that makes you sound frustrated and angry. Your comments aren't teaching me a lesson, and their not insulting me. They either make me laugh, or, they bore me. In this case it's the latter.
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. Read some actual theology and *a*theology. Then perhaps we can talk. And, believe it or not, I wasn't out to insult u (at the very least not *per se* merely for the sake of so doing). U, after all, were the one who kept stupidly prattling on & on about "proof & evidence that atheism is true & correct". I provided u with PROOF *&* EVIDENCE. Accept it or not. I don't give a damn.
MCP2012 1 year ago
@MCP2012 Whatever you say child
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 U bet, kid-o, anytime, *my CHILD*. (As I'm probably old enough to be ur father...)
MCP2012 1 year ago
@MCP2012 Don't waste your breath, he is so brainwashed that reason eludes him. Here's a better way to prove that he really believes in science, and not "god"- the next time he gets injured watch if rushes to the hospital, or kneels down to pray for "god" to heal him. Seems to me that these religious charlatans act in a way that suggests science is more likely to be true than religion.
ejdf870 1 year ago
@AllHeathens1 @AllHeathens1 That's the problem will all these religious fanatics. But their actions betray their beliefs. Just observe what they DO, and you will see what they REALLY believe. When they get sick do they kneel and pray, or do they go to a doctor? Their actions reveal that they believe science is much more likely to be true than religion.
ejdf870 1 year ago
ahhhh this never gets old lol
shockofgod 1 year ago
@shockofgod Hey, Shock, why'd u block me?! U need to man-up & quick begging the hell out of the various relevant questions. Have u even studied atheism? Deism? Pantheism? If not (and I suspect not), then u quite **literally** don't know what u're running ur mouth about.
MCP2012 1 year ago
@MCP2012 ummm, he used to BE an atheist smart one
goby326 1 year ago
@goby326 Not a very learned or well-read one, I dare venture to say...Indeed, he doesn't strike me as particularly either intelligent or well-read in **either** theology or (especially) philosophy and *a*theology.
MCP2012 1 year ago
@MCP2012 This COCKROACH does this to everyone who doesn't agree with him.
He poses a "challenge" to atheists to answer his question on his channel, and when you reply with a comment, it says "comment pending approval", which means your answer will not get posted, and you just wasted your time typing.
He's a real piece of work; not to mention a dishonest bastard who is quite ignorant and brainwashed.
BTW my response to his question is posted above, since it wasn't allowed on his video.
ejdf870 1 year ago 10
@MCP2012 How does he not know what he's running his mouth about? It's just a simple question. what evidence can you provide that proves atheism to be accurate and correct? It's not various questions, it's only one.
DemonHunter7609 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 How 'bout EVIL, for one? SoG is a lame-brain, who obviously hasn't read anything more sophisticated than, say, Lee Strobel's slanted, question(s)-begging drivel. Look, if YOU really want to investigate atheism (or at least non-theism), check-out Nick Everitt's *The Non-Existence of God* as well as Dave Steele's *Atheism Explained*. But see also Dean Overman, *A Case For the Existence of God*. See also Mike Martin, *Atheism: A Philosophical Justification*. Check 'em out!
MCP2012 1 year ago
@DemonHunter7609 Besides you obviously don't even fully understand my comment to which u're replying. SoG BEGS THE HELL OUT OF VARIOUS METAPHYSICAL AND/OR EPISTEMOLOGICAL QUESTIONS. UR remark, "It's not various questions, its only one" clearly evinces that U don't even (at least not fully) understand/appreciated wtf I originally said!! In addition to the previous books I recommended, see also George Smith, *Atheism: The Case Against God*, and Rich. Gale, *On the Nature & Existence of God*.
MCP2012 1 year ago
Guys i am a christian, but really...this wuestion is wrong. he is just ignoring all valid responses like this. don't listen to Shock.
potsocket 1 year ago
@potsocket Finally! A reasonable comment from a Christian with at least some (perhaps quite a bit of) intellectual honesty & *integrity*. Good for you, Potsocket!
MCP2012 1 year ago
@MCP2012 right on bro! but calling theists not intellectually inclined is not so true. many intelligent design theorists have several phds. but hey..
potsocket 1 year ago
@potsocket Oh, there r indeed a few bright folk who're theists---there're very, very few of 'em (present interlocutor excepted) on Youfuckin'Tube, however. Most, tho indeed perhaps not quite all, monotheists (especially Abrahamic monotheists) here in YouTube evince themselves to be very nearly totally neo-cortically brain-dead!
MCP2012 1 year ago
@MCP2012 lol true not many ID theorists have youtube channels...what does neocortically mean?
potsocket 1 year ago
@potsocket Hmmm....I seem to've spoken a bit too soon & a bit too optimistically. With all due respect, ID "theory" is rubbish, & has been thoroughly trounced intellectually. It might behoove u instead to check out James Gardner's stuff: See his books, *Biocosm* and *The Intelligent Universe: AI, ET, and the Emerging Mind of the Cosmos*. "Neocortical" refers to the brain's neocortex, more specifically the pre-frontal lobes, where mentation takes place.
MCP2012 1 year ago
My Belief: ShockofGod will ignore this very logical video. Or, he will only show portions of it which will make you sound illogical.
Good video. Thumbs up
NynInchNayls 1 year ago
Of course he'd ignore it!
He'd get about 50 seconds into the video and start his usual "SEE YOU'RE AVOIDING THE QUESTION, I'M RIGHT AGAIN, BLAH BLAH BLAH!"
Bowmaj21 1 year ago
One might ask,"Is there any evidence that an atheistic veiwpoint will create a better life experience than a theistic veiwpoint?"...And don't make a jackass out of yourself when asking this question.I think it's fair to say that nobody likes their assertions or beliefs being questioned from a position of arrogance.
SunsetNap 1 year ago
Theists for the most part have gotten the answers to their questions. Atheists will get their as well. You're not going to like the answer.
Greyhoshi 1 year ago
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Islam and Christians believe in the same God you idiot
IlC4RL0SIl 1 year ago
Theists claim that their god made the universe and everything in it. If such a god existed I would regard that god as having supreme inteligence. Religious scripture whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim or whatever which are purely and simply lies written by humans would be nothing but an insult to the intelligence of that god were he to exist. Atheists claim they don't believe god exists. I personally would take that a step further and say that I am an atheist because there is definitely no god
poofax56 1 year ago
What upsets me about sog though is his promotion of hatred. Example: on his show, in his vids, & in comments on others' vids he frequently repeats the claim that atheists are increasingly hated. He pretends it doesn't include HIM but states that more & more people utterly loathe atheists for the terrible things they say & do so you're crazy to be one. His intention can only be to encourage persecution by the more thuggish of his fans, with a 2ndary aim of making atheists shut up from fear
queenastilon 1 year ago
This Shock joker is really evil, by the way. I've seen a few of his vids & heard his own show where atheists call. You think he was bad calling in? He's even worse on his show, with more power.
He's no Einstien but he can't be stupid therefore he must be deliberately dishonest.
He repeats the same phrasing over & over again, also when claiming he used to be "a member of the humanist religion of atheism" but left because they couldn't provide evidence - an obvious lie
queenastilon 1 year ago
It's a very good attempt, Think. I like your suggestion that theists look for verifiable claims; it'll lead some of them to atheism - sneaky!
As you say near the end, you've reworded the question as atheism is (now I'm rewording) a description of a phenomenon applicable to a group.
It's as nonsensical as asking "what proof or evidence have you that sugar is accurate and correct?" except that atheism is an abstract noun. Sugar is simply sugar. Theism is theism and atheism is not.
queenastilon 1 year ago
very good video.
wachnathan 1 year ago
i think it was ok. "the proof or evidence that atheism is accurate and correct is the proof or evidence that theistic claims are incorrect" is implying we as atheists have proof or evidence that they are incorrect.
this is one of the better videos tho...
jkjkjij22 1 year ago
@jkjkjij22 evidence in this case would be logical reasoning as opposed to physical evidence. For atheism to be correct, it would only have to validly reject the theistic claims. The basis for this rejection, the logically valid refutations, is the evidence.
richaldeano 1 year ago
@richaldeano that's true, i never looked at it that way. so, for example,if there was enormous amount of evidence For the existence of god then you'd be illogical in being an Atheist. i don't think anyone is wrong for believing what they believe. because if they do that means that the evidence provided to them is enough. something that is enough for someone else may not be sufficient for other people. either way evidence must be provided by the claimant. how much evidence is enough is personal
jkjkjij22 1 year ago
@jkjkjij22 Very well stated. I would have to agree with you on this. There is only so much to interpret from a youtube comment. Thanks for clarifying that.
richaldeano 1 year ago
the proof and evidence that atheism is acurate and correct, is the non proof that theist have about there religion
MrgotPump 1 year ago
And how do you know that what you 'know is true? It will feel absolutely true for you, though someone with a contradictory 'truth' will feel exactly the same! So how do we decide whose 'truth' is the 'real truth'? As for what Einstein said, who gives a damn? Stephen Hawking states that no god is necessary for the existence of the universe...he MUST be right, as he's the current 'Einstein'.! Of course not. Once we emply this 'you will know the truth' stuff we build castles in the air.
derek24hudson 1 year ago
'If you actually desire to know, you will'. Many deeply sincere people, in many different cultures and times, have honestly and passionately believed that they have 'found the truth'. And they all spoke the statement given above which means ' If you are REALLY sincere and honest you will find that MY truth is the real truth'. Muslims, christians, and hindus (amongst others) believe with 100% sincerity that they have the 'truth', and that YOU will find it too, if you are really sincere.
derek24hudson 1 year ago
Bit patronising my friend; I have spent 63 years questioning. What you mean that as my questioning yields a different answer than yours I need to do a bit more questioning! Priceless! The only answers that I will accept ARE scientific ones, based on evidence.... though there can never be any certainty. How does one establish which of a thousand DIFFERENT religious views are 'right'? SINCERITY resides in all irrational beliefs, even ones that have died out, or proved nonsensical.
derek24hudson 1 year ago
@derek24hudson Exactly. Religions are simply attempts to reach god. You could very well start your own. It is bewildering. Every religion claims to be the best. It is therefore important to question. If your questions cannot be answered, then it is not rite for you. Only you can know your sincerity. If you actually desire to know, you will.
You don't need to subscribe to my belief. Like Albert Einstein said, religion without science is lame. This process IS scientific.
cofeerush 1 year ago
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Al-Quran has 1400 years ago and Muslim Scientists has been declared "He (God) makes you (human), in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness".
Al Quran sura Az Zumar;6
".....He (God) makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. . . ."
Have the Bible and scientists states "He (God ) makes you (human), in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness"?
mollenth 1 year ago
I almost said that i disagreed with your claim that a dogma of atheism is "You must find theistic claims unworthy of believing in." But, then, if I DID ever find that theistic claims actually did meet their burden of proof and they became worthy of belief, i suppose i would at that point become a theist. Almost got me there. ;-)
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
I've gotta say, I agree with most of what you're saying. Especially in the description about Shock. I'm not an atheist, I do believe in God, but I think that people should be free (and in many countries, they are) to believe what they want without major criticism, which is what Shock does. If I was asked to give a statement that I think that God exists, it would be that everything in the universe is way too interconnected to be just random. I think there should be something that created it all.
TheScroobs 1 year ago
Best answer I've heard to this question. :) GJ mate.
damillionmalania 1 year ago
for example, China's "Hihking Classic" and Babylon's "Epic of Gilgamesh."
MrRustyt2011 1 year ago
just wanting to point this out, the flood does have a bit of evidence in its favor, even in a scientific manner. almost every, if not every mountain range in the world has been found to have fossil remains of marine life at the top. For example, clusters of hundreds of gigantic (300kg/650lbs) oysters found atop the Andes Mountains in South America. also flood traditions, in cultures from africa to asia to europe are abundant. they all have stories about a great flood.
MrRustyt2011 1 year ago
I think that the burden of proof may actually be on atheists. This is because a version of theism is generally accepted among the masses. Therefore it would be atheists making the claim that there is no God. That is the claim since it is generally accepted by most people that there is a God. If most people were atheists, then people started preaching about God, theists would need to provide proof. The view that goes against society is the view that needs evidence, for they are making claims.
joe848484 1 year ago
Buddism is a form of atheism
RMBVP 1 year ago
@RMBVP atheism seems to be pointed upon the disbelief of any god. Theism is a belief that a god exists. Theism and Atheism have different religions to verify them. Atheism has humanism, and Buddism, and other types. If anyone studies the Bible, they can see the historicity within it concerning Christianity and points working within such. Personal research notes the Bible as a bunch of history books and biographies with fulfilled/fulfilling prophecy here and there.
RMBVP 1 year ago
I like how you just make the claim that these things in the bible were true when you didn't even quote or show the proof of false fact.
xchampx 1 year ago
FREE WILL?
Believers often contend that god 'had' to give us free will for a variety of reasons, one being to explain cruelty, sin etc. (Though the EXTREME cruelty of the animal world is not explained. Carnivores, predators, parasites, famine, disease...)
1 'God' MUST have foreseen the suffering of mankind owing to freewill.
2 ''god' did need NEED to create anything...it is self sufficient, with NO needs.
3 Yet he CHOSE to go ahead.
THEREFORE he is cruel in causing unnecessary suffering.
derek24hudson 1 year ago
@derek24hudson I feel your pain. It does seem unfair. The thing is though, without free will, you might as well be a stone or dirt. What seems more fair?
1-I agree. He knows PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE. What parents do you think want their kids to be rascals and cheaters? Yet, we see, there are plenty. Owing to the free will we so need. Our suffering is caused because we choose to associate with the bad instead of the good.
2-God needed us as much as parents enjoy having children.
cofeerush 1 year ago
@cofeerush
You have not adressed the point I made; sorry.
1 IF you KNEW that your kids would die in excrutiating agony would you go ahead and have them because you 'needed them'? Please answer.
2 God, by definition, cannot NEED anything, or 'he' is NOT god. Don't you understand this ? An all-sufficient, all-powerful etc god cannot NEED anything; he mat WANT, but that's different.
So, to recap, a god, not needful of anything, decided, because he WANTED to, to make creatures suffer and die.
derek24hudson 1 year ago
@derek24hudson 1- That's exactly why there is heaven also. There's a balance. The free will you have chooses either side. It would seem unfair if the only choice was pain and agony.
2-Exactly. He does not NEED. He does not NEED to do or not do. He acts freely. He made you because he felt like it. He gave you options. You can choose either one.
RECAP: God created because he felt like it. You are here now, choose to live in pain or happiness with the free will he so kindly gave you.
cofeerush 1 year ago
@cofeerush
No, you still don't get. ANY being who would create other sentient beings KNOWING that millions would suffer in agony is a monster, immoral and unworthy of respect. There was no NEED to do this, you say. So WHY DO IT?
He gave OPTIONS? Here's an option; Believe in me (even if you can't) OR i will destroy you, ot torture you for ever...but you have the FREEDOM to choose!!
A god HAD to create a system where billions of animals (includibg us HAVE to die and suffer in fear and agony?
derek24hudson 1 year ago
@derek24hudson (1) Yes He does not HAVE to do anything.Getting frustrated about this matter will only hurt you. If you are drowning and someone throws a rope at you, it is not wise to calculate where this rope is coming from. Rather, use the rope and save your life. The fact is, because we are spiritual beings by nature, no amount of material happiness can make us happy. I very much agree with you that the cruelty to animals is not justified by any means. The law of karma WILL catch up to those.
cofeerush 1 year ago
@cofeerush
Who's getting frustrated? How can I be frustrated about the asupposed evil actions of a being whose existence I don't believe in?!! If we're 'drowning, according to you' it's because 'god' pushed you into the water and then offers you a rope...MORAL; don't push people in the water, then say 'now I have the POWER to save you..'. That's cruel, unnecessary and immoral. I have a little frustration..when 'debaters' won't answer simple questions...you know, the one about having kids?
derek24hudson 1 year ago
@derek24hudson I have tried to answer each one of your questions to the best of my capacity. If you are not satisfied, you should seek someone else to argue with. My friend, you are only as great as what it takes to make you angry. Denying facts of life does not hide them. Accept the facts of life and only then you can solve their mysteries. I answered each of your questions. You can ask again if you think I didn't. Please try to read the answers though.
cofeerush 1 year ago
@cofeerush
...and, frustratingly, you haven't answered question 2!
COULD god have created a world without famine, disease, etc....
I think you might agree that 'he' could?But chose not to do so. That's what we call immoral, evil and sadistic. If you COULD create a world in which your kids did not suffer unnecessarily (EVEN if 'things even out in the end') and chose not to, you make yourself an equal brute. Cruelty TO animals? What? We're talking about intrinsic cruelty of 'creation'.
derek24hudson 1 year ago
@derek24hudson When you study the scriptures, you learn that this material realm isn't even one third of the spiritual realm. Actually majority of the population resides in the spiritual world. Somehow other, due to our ignorance, we have fallen in this situation thus the goal is to go back. This material world is compared to a prison house. Every city has a prison house. It's not that the government expects everyone to be criminals, but they know some will be so they construct prison house.
cofeerush 1 year ago
@cofeerush
Suffering in humans has the same causes as suffering in ALL the (sinful) animal kingdom; disease, famine, predation, death, natural disasters, competition, parasites (made by god?), etc. The free will of deer, gazelles, sparrows causes this suffering? Really? So, what makes you think that it is any different in humans?
The number one killer of humans is,,,,? Yes malaria, caused by the 'free will' of a gid making a parasite to spread the disease, or just part of nature/survival?
derek24hudson 1 year ago
@derek24hudson Birth, death, old age and disease are there.They effect every living being in this material realm.I can misuse my free will and hurt you although you may not be at fault.It effects you even though you were an innocent bystander. In return, the law of Karma will catch up to me and there will be justice.In spiritual understanding it is accepted that we are eternal beings.With that POV it is not hard to understand that the source of our pains is from our own actions.Past or present.
cofeerush 1 year ago
@cofeerush
'The law of karma' is not a law, only in the belief systems of various people. If you believe it, fine, but then people believe thousands of contradictory things by faith.
PLEASE answer at least ONE question.
1 Would you have kids if you KNEW they would die in agony from cancer? (You don't NEED them.)
2 COULD god have created a world without disease, parasites, predation, ttorment, fear, famine, earthquakes, death?
3 The source of pain for gazelles etc is from PAST actions?
derek24hudson 1 year ago