TPMtv: A Chat with Dahlia Lithwick

[Tsang8406]

*Gulp* !!! hey is that you ?

I've been on a cam chat with this chick

I've checked my bookmarks and here is da link @ DateHerSafe(')com/profile?=177­8

[x0mrgrinch0x]

this lady is an idiot

[CrewSBigFun]

want to chat with singles

looking for friends yW

[ba2rn3]

i just got out of the shower and im still naked xD r

[freightmaster2]

Looks like you two have missed the entire point in this video! Does the word fascism mean anything to you?

[GretchenDawntreader]

no one in the current administration will ever be tried for anything, if Bush doesn't issue blanket immunity on his way out, the next president (either one, sadly) will issue a blanket pardon in the name of national unity.

The only people who ever paid the price for anything were some enabled guards at Abu Gharib...not the people who commanded them, or who tortured people to death at Gitmo or undermined our rights or led an adventurous war of opportunity, or Blackwater/KBR rapists, or anyone.

[PsyogiBottoms]

OK, Bitch it far too uncomfortable. Wow, hand jive much? AND YES - Let's have a World Wide OPEN War Crimes Hearing for all the World to SEE. This is after all fucking the hell out of just about everyone on the fucking planet. If that Fascist is Guilty - Then let the ENTIRE WORLD CRUCIFY HIS ASS! ~ THAT IS JUSTICE - VENGEANCE IS MINE SAYETH THE LORD!

[PreetSG]

Boring.... Get Josh back!

[SubmarinerAndroid]

I'm for fair and public Nuremberg-style trials, with death as the ultimate possible penalty. Nothing less will send a sufficiently strong message to future would-be dictatorial Presidents. This is not about partisanship, it's about preserving the United States as we know it, a constitutional republic.

[Aiden057]

I would agree, but absent the death penalty. I just hope that false claims of such trials being "too much to put the country through" are utterly rebuked. The country has already been torn apart, these trials would be a first step in the necessary mending.

[stebunn]

Let's all take a stroll down lollipop lane and wish for gumdrops and rainbows while criminals escape to Paraguay with suitcases of money. I'm tired of this limp liberal speak- where's the anger?

[jophus82]

So what is the alternative? Hire Blackwater to take care of it?

[Colossus306]

Liberals type Conservatives talk

[44MONTEREY]

We need an investigation into what happened?

Excuse me, but we have been investigating

these war crimes for seven years. It is obvious with many infallible proofs.

[jophus82]

I think it is evident that she meant finding out what those blacked out 23 pages (symbolic) actually said.

A true investigation.

[alnewberry]

Why not Nuremburg-style trials. If a private citizen did the same things this administration has done, there would be no mercy.

[sachaput]

Friends and I have been trying to guess who Bush will pardon in the last month of his administration.

My guess is a blanket pardon for everybody who was a cabinet member or appointed by G.W. Then Bush will resign a week before he has to step down, Cheney will become President and then pardon Bush. Everybody's happy!!

[Richardgwm]

Bush will issue a blanket pardon to everyone in his administration for all actions they took during his administration. Either that, or he will suspend elections, disband the Congress and declare himself Emperor.

[volumedealer1]

There needs to be total an utter supervision of all people in power so they cannot direct this country in the wrong direction.

Dick Cheney is a very evil individual who certainly shows himself above the love because he is so powerful.He is arrogant,and needs to be placed in check.

This administration has done NOTHING GOOD FOR THIS COUNTY,only help themselves to profit from us by driving gas prices up and helping the war complex profit.

[FeelFreeToArgue]

The attempts to write immunity into the law for their various trangressions has always bugged me about BushCo. It's all part of this administration's overall sneaky way of doing things, their imperial notions of rule by fiat. It's about them being too cowardly to pay the price for their deeds.

They show an unseemly amount of interest in immunity for people who constantly protest that they aren't doing anything wrong.

[rarelibra]

FeelFreeToArgue - I couldn't agree more. While the politicians and CEOs get away with whatever they want (and not covertly either), the rest of the crowd just nods and says "well, what can we do". Mindless bots, most Americans are - worried about Britney's panties or Lyndsey's sexual preference. Meanwhile, the powers that be do what they want, pat each other on the back getting rich, and exonerate each other of any crime (or destroy the evidence).

[nicholas9999]

feelfree: Agreed. They've damaged the country. Which is why people have responded to a hopeful message.

[MooseOfReason]

My vote's for a war crimes trial.

We don't need anymore fact-finding.

[jefferios]

Play at 00:25 -- David is tongue-tied, wants to take her out for a drink

[BeondaPale]

I just became a fan of Dahlia Lithwick

[ogjimkenobi]

Does anybody else experience video problems whenever that "Instinct" Sprint phone ad starts to run?

Shit is annoying.

[rarelibra]

this is a bunch of shit. War crimes were committed, evidence is now clear - it isn't just ONE person stepping forward with a theory - it is MANY people stepping forward with statements. HANG THEM ALL. Let's get back on track and continue Roosevelt's dream.

[hunterswine]

The truth is coming , the truth is coming!!

[rarelibra]

nicholas - you want the police called? LOL. Look around you - MANY police agencies are corrupt, at best. You think the police will help you? LOL. The police can't even eliminate simple gang violence. The world is like a grape vine - you go through, pluck off the bad ones, and THROW THEM AWAY.

[nicholas9999]

rare: We don't want your world. It's that simple. You have a terminal cynicism. Few people want to live as you want to live.

[rarelibra]

We? We? Do you have a mouse in your pocket, nicholas? Your opinion stands for YOU, not we. Trust me, plenty of people believe like I do. MANY people want to live like I do - without violence and without doubt of the crazies out there.

[nicholas9999]

rare: I don't have a mouse, I have all the people who don't want to live in the world you're describing.

[rarelibra]

dude, you only have your opinion. Are you a zealot or something? Are you that pompous that you THINK you represent the world? Get a grip on life, son.

[nicholas9999]

rare: "dude," you may have missed it, but people have been fighting for gun control for a long time. I'm one of those people. I'm one of that group that fights for gun control and to eliminate the death penalty. Yup, I'm one of those. We don't want your world, dude, lol!!

[rarelibra]

nicholas - again your 'we' complex comes in. The death penalty exists for a reason - you are one of those people who want to save a serial killer because you think he can be 'rehabilitated' - but then you will scream about the death penalty if that killer were to get your spouse, your child, your family member, etc. Hypocrite. You are one of the sheep, crying about the predator wolf - until the wolf takes out the demons that lay around. in YOUR world there would be no police or army, right? Stop

[nicholas9999]

rare: Does that straw man ruse actually work for you? You actually have not a clue what I want. You're an idiot who makes up the opinions of others. You're too dishonest for me to talk to anymore. Bye bye. You're blocked from my e-mail. Argue with your sick self.

[rarelibra]

straw man ruse? Dickhead - you should be thanking me for the rights you enjoy to have your 'we' complex and your freedom. People like you are the reason we need backup anyway - because you can't fend for yourself and be a real man. So be it. Stop the we shit, it's getting old.

[MISSBEBEBLUE]

5/5

[rarelibra]

Given up? What is this bitch talking about? We NEED to allow gun ownership - for everyone. Imagine if EVERYONE in the US was allowed to carry? People would think twice of using a gun - because EVERYONE AROUND THEM would have one too. Someone tries to rob a bank? Not going to happen - because they'll get riddled with bullets. Crime WILL go down - look at Florida and Texas for examples.

[TYFrankWhite]

Now I'm for your right to bear arms but that is assuming that all guns and all weapons in particular are ceated equal. Even if everyone has a gun, a machine semi-automatic will always trump a regular handgun if that is your reasoning.

[rarelibra]

I'll give you two machine semi autos to my one .44 revolver. You can spray away. All it would take me is one well-aimed shot. Semi auto is overrated. I've seen people that can't hit a man-size target with a machine gun at 200m. Hah.

[Liribaenz]

So every country should have nuclear weapons, because if so, no country would start a war, f.ex. over oil or water? (According to your logic.)

[rarelibra]

If every country had nuclear weapons, there wouldn't be any more war. I'm quite serious. Or we would all destroy each other. But the point is, we would all be equal. You assume that if we take guns away, that bad guys can't get them - when, in fact, only the bad guys will have them. They don't abide by the rules now in obtaining them - so make the playing field equal.

[nicholas9999]

rarelibra: The reason we don't want people to be carrying around guns is sort of the same reason we don't want people to call women "bitches" who have a different opinion than we do: it's just a matter of not wanting your world. I don't want a bank robber "riddled with bullets," I want the police called. I am from Texas, but I won't go back.

[rarelibra]

Illogical at best, nicholas. Not wanting 'your world' - we all live in the same world. Unfortunately, your eyes are closed to the forces around you. Germany in the 1930s - yeah, they took guns away there too. They installed a Homeland Security. And they pointed out the 'terrorists' (communists). They took away rights and imprisoned people. You want that world? Neither do I. Trust me, if everyone had a gun, you wouldn't have criminals trying to use them. They would be a moot point.

[MISSBEBEBLUE]

what has made you so afraid that you need a gun?

[rarelibra]

Not afraid, of sorts. Trained - and educated. Let me ask you this - if this world continues into decay and we have chaos and war and riots for food or water or oil... do you REALLY think that your friend, or your neighbor, or your co worker will regard you in the same manner? Yes, it is important to count on the good will of humanity. However, all one needs to do is to look at how easy this decays when faced with REAL challenge. Don't speak on this unless you've SEEN it (I have - in Africa).

[alnewberry]

Probably our out of control government.

[nicholas9999]

rare: Again from the top, we don't want your world, i.e., we don't want the world you want. What is this crap about imprisoning people and the Germans of the 1930s?? Virtually the only people accused of terrorism have been Muslims in the U.S. or elsewhere. We don't want vigilantism, we want the rule of law. We don't want a bunch of paranoid wackos running around carrying concealed weapons. Why not? Because we don't want your world.

[rarelibra]

nicholas - WAKE UP. The last suicide bomber in the US was a young white guy - a CHRISTIAN, in fact - near the Univ of Oklahoma. Not quite the profile of a darky that speaks a middle eastern language, eh? So not very newsworthy. The world you want will point a finger and shout "terrorist" in a chant while your rights are taken away behind your back. You are already halfway becoming a Nazi yourself. This isn't about terrorism - I could give two shits about a guy who wants to off himself in Iraq.

[nicholas9999]

rare: I don't care whether the last guy was a white guy. You would never have been able to stop, nor can you now stop, someone who is reasonably intelligent with mayhem on their mind. My rights are being taken away from me behind my back? In fact, the Bush admin has compromised the rights of everyone in the country right in front of us. That's not an apocalyptic vision, that's a problem to be solved by sensible realistic Americans who have no interest in conspiracy theories.

[rarelibra]

What I DO care about are common crimes that continue to spiral out of control. Crimes where children are getting killed at schools or in the ghettos. Or where people in churches have a guy with a shotgun walk in and start shooting - or in a mall - or in a classroom. If someone tried that in my world, well - he would be riddled with bullets. End of story - and he wouldn't have the capacity to contribute to future crimes. Go wack off to your George Bush tapes, you moron.

[nicholas9999]

rare: If you're worried about crime, the best way to handle that is to have a society in which violence is looked-down-upon, a peaceful society where people have adequate food, housing and medical care, where there is a sense of community and sharing. Not a place where people want to call each other names. Hopefully, we will slowly but surely move in that direction.

[rarelibra]

nicolas - you are incorrect. You can easily stop someone who is intelligent with mayhem on the mind. I have 20+ yrs of military training that will back me up. Take, for example, if I had a gun and was in the room when the VA Tech gunman walked in - it wouldn't have taken long to get down, get covered, aim in, and drop him hard. Same with any mall killer - if I wasn't the first one hit, sure enough - the killer is going down. You probably don't realize this - that's ok. Go pick your daises now.

[nicholas9999]

rare: thanks for the admission that you have 20 plus years of military training. As we like to say about McCain, if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. Most people don't have 20 years of military training and don't want to shoot anyone. We don't want to carry a weapon. We don't want to live in the world you want to live in.

[rarelibra]

You live in a dream world - because you preach to the choir to people like me, and you do NOTHING to change the world. You probably cry about crime and cry "woe is me, what do I do?". I'm about changing the world. If only criminals have guns, then only the criminals will have the upper hand. You know NOTHING about human character. You have to factor in the dark side - or your utopia will be in shambles with the first person who gets the upper hand.

[nicholas9999]

rare: not sure about the whole preach to the choir reference, but okay. In fact, you simply make the world a place we don't want to live. Hence, the continuing attack on laws that permit people to run around with hidden guns and a paranoid take on reality. It won't work, it has never worked, it simply brutalizes society. We don't want it.

[rarelibra]

if you destroy all of the guns, you will have to ward off the knives. If you destroy all the knives, you will have to ward off the sticks. Get the point? There MUST be a deterrent to the dark side of human nature. Stop your megalomaniacal claims of "we" and get a grip on life. YOU live in the world that I live in, dickhead.

[nicholas9999]

rare: Actually, guns are far more convenient to use that are knives, but you seem to be completely missing the point. We would rather have a world where occasionally someone goes off the deep end, than we would want to have your world. And since you still want a world where you call other people names, I'm going to let you do that by yourself. Bye bye.

[rarelibra]

You are missing the point, nicholas. YOU and your WE complex. Get some psychological help for that - for you and your schizo friends. A world where "occasionally someone goes off the deep end"? LOL. You should target the corporations for that - people are locked into virtual worlds and cell phones and tv ignoring what is going on around them. LOL. Occasionally... crime rates are ALWAYS relational to population size. This is a fact. Your utopia won't exist without some form of protection.

[nicholas9999]

rare: Obviously, you're not aware of what you're writing. First you say I have a "we complex," while mentioning me and my "schizo friends" in the same sentence. This points up the deep sickness that seems to have grabbed you: you really don't get the whole idea of "we" to begin with. Crime rates are ALWAYS relational to population size? You have obviously never heard of cross-cultural research. Go away, you're a sicko.

[rarelibra]

Hey nicholas - you are too stupid and too self-righteous to get what real life is all about - the yin and yang, the good and evil - you can't have utopia, loser. Your schizo friends are the voices in your head that cause you to say "we" (or the mouse in your pocket). You are obviously too weak to stand on your own opinion, so you psychologically attempt to back yourself up with "we". That's called pronoun trouble. But you are hard pressed with research against crime rate and population size.