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  • Don't worry about it. It was partly my fault. I ride a motorcycle myself and, apparently, drivers feel that is not a mode of transportation either. I guess some kids were never taught to share by their parents. Keep safe and keep riding.

  • @freddotu....fair enough. I'll be on the road in a bit. However, my comment was directed at how stupid people like to split the lane you are utilizing rather than wait their turn (behind you) and then make a right hand turn. I could have probably been more specific.

  • @postalpaulie, my apologies. As you may have noted from the other comments, there are plenty of commenters who don't have a clue how to operate properly and safely on the roadway. It is easy enough to misunderstand one's words. Even when attacked in a comment, I try to remain civil. Your post was a good example of a place I can work to improve.

  • Right of way and stupidity are two totally different things.

  • @postalpaulie, right of way is how the road works. Stupidity is ignoring or disregarding the right of way of legitimate road users. If you don't understand that, you should consider to stay off the roads until you learn how it works.

  • What I dont get is bicyclist's are supposed follow the rules of the road, right? If thats the case then why dont they get pulled over for impeding traffic by traveling way below the speed limit?

  • @StepinacLax, they don't get pulled over because there is no such law in any state in the united states. Uninformed uniformed officers will pull a cyclist over, even write a citation, but those citations have been dismissed by the court. Some people have misconceptions when it comes to right-of-way and use of the roadway.

  • you obviously dont know the only real right of way law is tonnage

  • @tonyf686, twenty four thousand miles and more makes your assessment invalid.

  • @freddotu ok well i drive over 30,000 a year and i have seen more than a few fearless bikers get hit, just because you follow the law doesnt mean your not putting yourself in unnecessary danger

  • @tonyf686, your understanding of safe cycling is different than mine, as I've taken a cycling safety course and was a certified cycling instructor. In those classes, one learns things that drivers don't know. Just because you drive 30,000 miles a year doesn't mean you can tell the difference between safe cycling and not.

  • @freddotu you ride your bike where you want but im not about to drive my car let alone my bike 15 miles an hour slower than traffic its just asking for some inattentive ass hole to make me a hood ornament

  • There is NOTHING wrong with the pickup driver's actions in this video. The overtake was good.

  • @pendulumx, such interpretations are why motor vehicle operators should be required to have additional training and repeated testing to remain on the road. The overake was unsafe and performed in an unwarranted manner.

  • @freddotu He gives you plenty of room. Your own video proves this. The most popular comment is "no he did a good overtake" and it has 28 thumbs up because it is correct and everybody agrees.

  • @pendulumx, I think it's unlikely that anyone who rides a bicycle for transportation purposes would consider it to be a safe overtake. It's also unlikely that anyone who has been passed so closely would consider it to be a safe overtake. The frame of reference is important.

  • @freddotu You were on a bike in the middle of the road. You should of been to the side allowing cars to get past safely and easy. Your the kind of cyclist that gives us all a bad name!

  • @OtisTheJanitor, you're the kind of cyclist who doesn't know how to operate safely and endangers yourself without realizing it. Take a cycling safety course and learn how to ride on the roadways. I'm not in the middle of the road, I'm in the middle of a sub-standard width lane. There's a difference.

  • @freddotu I in fact did take one of those courses. In fact I have done it twice now. Sub-standard width lane? Funny, to me it looks as if its big enough to fit a big SUV. Very "Sub-standard" indeed...

  • @OtisTheJanitor , in the state of Florida, substandard width is under 14 feet. That particular area has 11-12 foot wide lanes. I'm glad you took the course, and it's your decision where to ride, just as it is mine. If you believe that my riding practices give cyclists a bad name, you must have missed a segment of the course. Also note that there is an entire lane in the same direction which allows other road users to perform a safe and easy pass.

  • @freddotu The courses we have done must be very different. We were always taught to stay to the left of the lane (would be right for you) and only go to the middle when making a right turn.

    As for this SUV, yes it may of seemed it was impatient with how fast he went past and such, but he gave you plenty of room. You should try cycling in London, or Edinburgh. You get much closer to the traffic than that!

  • @OtisTheJanitor, I view Magnatom's videos and a few others from the London area and it surprises me how close to the edge some of the riders will operate. Because of the low profile of the velomobile, I have to keep visible and being too close to the edge causes traffic masking, in that two or three cars back, the driver does a SMIDSY. It does not happen any more, and it's easier on the driver too.

    London traffic is amazing and just plain crazy!

  • @freddotu Oh right so your not on your typical bike but one of the low sit back ones? Explains why your in the middle then like hell would I get close to the side with those lol. But that does make a point that since you are so low in that position things around you will seem much bigger and closer than they actually are.

  • @OtisTheJanitor, it was worse before I learned to take control of the lane. So many people would tell me I'm impossible to see. Now they tell me they see me everywhere. Before I learned the safer method, I would have a dozen drivers blow their horns at me over a single day's ride, now it's maybe once a week. Big trucks, busses and large construction cranes are no longer a concern, as they are often better skilled drivers and it's easier to see me. I have a 4w flashing taillight.

  • I do think people need to be more aware of and considerate towards cyclists while driving.

  • Assholes do this to me every day, even when I'm driving. People are just assholes, this isn't anything special

  • Road rage? Lol In Chicago this is quite normal.

  • Dude, just get as closer to the bike lane as possible. You are waaaay far out there. You're taking up a whole lane. I ride my bike to work every day, 10 miles each way. We have bike lanes, and sometimes they're filled with debris or parked cars. But don't piss off the people driving, because all it takes is one pissed off idiot to run you off the road and its over. You might be right, but you're dead. Be considerate on the road goes both ways

  • @fenix9885, the lines you see do not mark a bike lane. I am not "waaay far out there", I am in the center of a sub-standard width lane. I ride my bike every day, 30-50 miles. I don't piss off the people driving, only the unskilled inconsiderate drivers. Four lane roadways mean there's plenty of room for other road users. When you don't know what you're doing, it's easy to criticize me. Thousands of drivers are able to change lanes to pass safely. Inferiority cycling is what you're describing.

  • I think it should be a rule to go at least the speed limit if you are cycling on the road. What is the speed limit there? Driving way slower than traffic is just dangerous regardless what you drive.

  • @jamesfs912, it's really amazing how many people think like that, even though I have more than 20,000 miles to disprove it. Unskilled inattentive drivers are the only ones with problems of this nature. A driver is to operate a motor vehicle at speeds appropriate for all circumstances and conditions. If a slower moving vehicle ahead of a driver causes that driver to crash, the responsibility lies with the driver approaching, not the slower moving vehicle operator.

  • @jamesfs912, if you extend your suggestion about speed limits, then you would have no bus service, no rubbish pickup, no mail service and plenty of other things would be halted. Drivers should be fined for operating in excess of the speed limit by even one mph, and you would see the 300,000 deaths per year caused by motor vehicle operators to plummet drastically.

  • @freddotu Even if we set aside the fact that slower drivers do actually cause accidents whether you want to believe it or not. Why cycle going 20 mph on a 40 mph road? Do you see all the people that had to move out of the way because of you? It's all about common courtesy. It's a privilege to drive not a right. Why do you think 49cc scooters with a top speed of 35 mph aren't allowed on roads with a speed limit of 40+mph.

  • @jamesfs912, I don't have a choice on the speed limits on the roads. The roads take me where I'm going. Those people who "had to move out of my way" are people who were able to pass safely and continue on their way without the slightest problem. Courtesy means nothing when one is operating a multi-ton vehicle at high speeds. Common courtesy recognizes the right to use the roadway as allowed by law. There should be more scooters on the road doing 35 mph, not fewer.

  • @freddotu depends on what state you live in but here you can go only 20 below the limit and yes the police do give tickets for going even 25 under

  • @xXxchipperchopperxXx, you may find that such statutes (none in FL) apply only to motor vehicles.

  • @freddotu so this thing isnt a motor vehicle then why are you bitching about people going around you get that fuckin thing off the road

  • @xXxchipperchopperxXx, clearly you are not observant enough to recognize the "unsafe" portion. Your unwarranted profanity gains you a block.

  • @freddotu Lastly, why do police officers give tickets to people that are moving too slow or in the passing lane? I'm not saying you are a bad driver and never did I just feel that youre being selfish. Why make everyones experience more difficult just to make yours more convenient?

  • @jamesfs912, passing lanes exist only on interstate or limited access highways. Skilled drivers are not inconvenienced by having to perform a safe lane change to pass me. It is not a matter of convenience, it is a matter of safety. If it is dangerous for a driver to change lanes, that driver is incompetent. 

  • @freddotu What you and others are doing is rude. Just because a driver is " skilled" doesn't mean they are irritated. We have a huge number of bicyclists in our area that ride on the public road and almost every person I talk says they do get irritated when a cyclist is traveling below the speed limit. If you think that all these people that change lanes and pass you are content then you are mentally ill and I know now that this conversation will go nowhere.

  • @jamesfs912, I've spoken to a number of these drivers. They have no problems with bikes. You are missing one important point in this concept, if you think you can handle it. The roads are for public use. You are granted the privilege to use the roadway as the operator of a motor vehicle. It is not a right. Cyclists' use of the road as a right has been upheld by courts.

    If you think you are more important than a cyclist and want them to get out of your way, turn on your lights and siren.

  • If I were cycling on the road that day I would not be offended or feel unsafe in anyway if that truck did that to me

  • @CommieThreat, well good for you. I'm rarely comfortable sharing the road with incompetent, inconsiderate or unskilled drivers.

  • @freddotu there is a narrow road where I live that goes through wetlands, cyclists are always on the side and they always yell when a car drives by them because they go fast and there isn't room--but honestly they will never hit a cyclist because the road has enough space... I hate paranoid cyclists makes the rest of us look like roadhogs

  • @CommieThreat, my experience with people who criticize safe cycling practices is that those people do not know how to ride safely. Take a look at commute orlando d o t c o m and especially the article about helping motorists with lane positioning. If you can't understand how it works, it's your loss.

  • @freddotu I say, it doesn't matter if they tailgate me, change lanes next to me, cut me off, if they aren't hitting me I don't care I'm taking up their space anyway I can't go as fast as they can

  • @CommieThreat I second that. I ride a lot, and there was nothing unusual or unsafe here.

  • i understand you are allowed the full lane, but if your looking out for your safety, then you must know that there are stupid drivers out there. why not ride closer to the right shoulder, instead of in the middle? This would allow you much more distance between the idiots like that guy.

  • @someguyperson6, Riding at the edge of the roadway creates much greater danger than most people realize. A very well done piece of research was performed in Orlando and can be found at commuteorlando d o t com, under the heading of Helping Motorists with Lane Positioning.

    The video clearly shows that drivers are better able to manage a cyclist in the center of a sub-standard lane and less able when the rider is at the edge.

  • My experience is exactly that shown in the video, but there will always be unskilled or inconsiderate drivers on the road. Managing lane position reduces the problems with that type of driver. My videos show the rare instances of these drivers.

    I would have thousands of hours of drivers passing safely, changing lanes with zero problems, but that sort of thing is pretty boring.

  • @freddotu well said, thanks for the info

  • So you posted your reply to my response, while removing my response?

    You're a strange cat.

  • @breakingsoftware, sorry about that. I neglected to press the approve button, which has been done. Not as strange as most.

  • As one cyclist to another, who has been in an accident with a car... it doesn't matter what the law is. It doesn't matter if you're right either. The law isn't an invisible force field to protect you. I got busted up over 3 years ago and will never be the same. Trust me, it's NOT worth it. You're better off in the bike lane, and even then consider yourself lucky if you don't get hit. Cars and bikes obviously don't mix that well. Plus, be honest with yourself -- you have pent up anger.

  • @breakingsoftware, your point of view is common among cyclists who have not taken any cycling safety courses. I have no pent up anger, as my riding has become more enjoyable and much safer. These incidents are more rare now that I know how to ride safely.

    As one cyclist to another, I recommend cycling safety courses to every rider. You may be experienced, but if you've taken safe cycling training, you're not as safe as you may think.

  • how fast can you go in it? I was looking at getting one .

  • @EVWilliam, I cruise at about 20-25 mph, and have hit 48 mph on a downhill (bridge) with a tailwind. The hills here are called bridges and aren't very high, so 48 mph is really decent. Because of the heavier weight, they do better in flat areas.

    Are you looking at a specific model? So many from which to choose.

  • @freddotu I was looking at the Go-One Evolution or the Bluevelo "Team" or "Quest".

    

  • @EVWilliam, I've not seen a Quest in person, but there's a lot about it to like, in my opinion. Ray M. of BlueVelo is a great fellow too. Have you seen his video here on YouTube, where he's interviewed on a Canadian human interest show? Search for good idea velomobile, it's great. The Go-One has impressive styling, but all that clear bubble would have me concerned. Hot and future scratches...

  • you should get the police to sponsor both side of you Velomobile regarding safe driving.

    it would be priceless to see their faces as they pass you like the way the truck did

  • @EVWilliam,

    The police don't do that sort of thing in this area.

  • I don't know, didn't look to bad to me, he just let himself get boxed in and couldn't change lanes to pass without braking. I'm a professional driver and we are taught to avoid letting other motorist pack up around us. Of course, sometimes you can't avoid it.

  • i would have done the same thing

    no offense

  • @worlddxb, I suppose you should be proud of identifying with an inconsiderate and unsafe driver.

  • what is that yellow thing lol?

  • @alextehwiz, the yellow thing is called a velomobile, generically speaking, and the model is a WAW imported from Belgium. Good fun, and great transportation.

  • no he did a good overtake

  • Not leaving the lane and then returning to the right with such small clearance is not a good overtake. Such dangerous moves should not be defended.

  • you dont go back into the lane until you can see both headlights in your rear view, if you cant, your TOO CLOSEE! like this asshole was

  • @Abdelhak92izi All except he forgot to swing the passenger open as they passed him.

  • @dudechuck82, now you're suggesting that a motor vehicle driver should further endanger me? A fabulous reflection on your own humanity.

  • @freddotu Ya you could uplaod it onto break. Imagine how funny it would be if they door checked you as they passed. It would be better than the videos you post now.

  • @dudechuck82, you certainly are a wonderful representation of lack of consideration for others. You are not obligated to view my videos, and your comments add very little to their value. Find somewhere else to troll.

  • I think I heard the squeal of tires just a little. I get a kick out of people in a hurry (even myself), because they tend to still hit the same red light I'm at a mile and a half down. :)

  • freddotu, I like your riding style. Your a vehicle, and are subject to all rules and responsabilities as a car driver. Screw what other people think..ride as you are traffic. Its the best and the most safest way to ride. Where I live though..riding in the center of the lane is not very safe. I live in Toledo, Ohio and people will honk even if your hugging the curb. Keep on riding, and be safe!

  • Thanks for the positive comments, but please consider that people will honk. If your safety is important and Ohio laws allow you the full use of a sub-standard lane, as in TX and FL and other states, why compromise your safety?

    I just searched the OH statutes and it would appear that you can use the entire lane. I can't post URLs but you can search for: 4511.25. Specifically a bicycle is a vehicle and there's nothing segrating the bicycle in OH statutes that I can see. Check next message.

  • (B)(1) Upon all roadways any vehicle or trackless trolley proceeding at less than the prevailing and lawful speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, and far enough to the right to allow passing by faster vehicles if such passing is safe and reasonable, except under any of the following circumstances:

    I like "if such passing is safe and reasonable" in particular, plus... next message

  • (2) Nothing in division (B)(1) of this section requires a driver of a slower vehicle to compromise the drivers safety to allow overtaking by a faster vehicle.

    So let them honk. In FL those honks mean misguided geese are exerting territorial demands for which they have no foundation.

    I did a google search on "Street Smarts Ohio" and the very first return came back with the right information. It also has a great summary with notes for the laws and cycling appropriate interpretation.

  • @freddotu It is clear that you know the motor vehicle laws, but you are missing the point. You are not in a motor vehicle, only a modified bicycle. You are unable to keep up with the flow of traffic or maintain a speed anywhere near the posted speed. You are in fact a rolling road block and a hazzard to yourself and automobile drivers who pass you. How would you feel if someone blocked your lane by driving half your speed. You would not like it and either do we when you do it to us.

  • @giantmidget08, It is clear that you do not understand how safe cycling practices work. I am not a hazard to other drivers and I am operating in the safest possible manner allowed by law.

    Please explain how your right to use the road is greater than mine. Be sure to quote specific laws that say faster vehicles have right of way over slower vehicles.

    If you have that right of way, turn on your lights and siren and I will pull out of the way. Until then, I have the same rights to use the road.

  • @giantmidget08 I disagree with you on that. The vehicle laws are the point. The only places where the flow of traffic is planned for in the country are the limited access Freeways and Interstates. Cyclists, pedestrians and horse drawn carriages have to be allowed access to the roadways and our traffic laws work for vehicles of different speeds.

  • I stopped riding when I got hit buy a car, thats when I contained it too the bike tracks, and use my car for the road,

    anyways check other post, im having a 2 way conversion here, i'll narrow it to 1

  • you posted up another vid of a guy riding in the gutter, but he has less of a chance of being hit than you, you may be following the rules, which is great, not many people know them, im saying people might not see you till the last minute, and youll get hit, where as the "gutter rider' dude won't. If I rode a bike in the centre of the outside lane here in this country, id get a $200 ticket for holding up traffic

  • you are under a common misconception about being hit. The gutter rider is putting himself in far greater danger than I am, and five thousand miles of experience bears this out. I was once a gutter rider and rode many thousands of miles as an inferiority cyclist. Once I received proper training, my riding has become far safer.

    I've been pulled over sixteen times by cops who do not know the laws, ticketed twice and both were dismissed.

    Get some training, be a safer rider, or not.

  • It might seem like that, driftrich, but in fact you're wrong. Fred is riding well and safely, and will be much safer than the gutter nutter you mention.

    Rear enders are amongst the least common accident types.

  • that may be so, I do understand that you believe you are obeying the rules, but its your safety id be concered about, you don't control what cars are going to do behind you, you will get rear ended soon enough, and I think you'll come out second best.

    please post up that vid when it happens

  • you're a funny fellow, without any training for safe cycling practices. Consider taking a Traffic Skills class from the LAB and become a smarter cyclist, or remain in the dark and criticize others for safe riding.

  • yep your going to get run over one day

  • The method in which I operate is the safest manner possible. I don't let your lack of understanding worry me at all.

  • whats wrong with this guy? your going a 1/8 of the speed they are. PLUS YOUR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WTF i would have given ya a little tap with my grill gaurd and at least a honk.

  • I am in the center of the traffic lane. You are welcome to honk your horn as much as you like, as it amuses me to hear them too.

    By all means, strike me with your motor vehicle and see how you like vehicular assault charges.

    Operating on a public roadway does not mean you have the right to operate faster than anyone else, and there are no minimum speed limits on these roads. It's a four lane road, genius, change lanes and be on your way without endangering anyone else.

  • The problem is alot of motorists today still think the bicycle is a toy! Just because it isn't as fast, or big as a car doesn't make it any less of a vehicle! It has it's place on the road, just as any car does! But I feel if motorists were educated on what the road rules for bicycles are, they would better understand why us cyclists ride certain ways.

  • tomcatfranks, I agree about the education part. The unfortunate aspect of this is that motorists and bicycle operators alike lack training and education. Motorists often appear to believe that they are entitled to exclusive use of the roadway, which is incorrect in most, if not all, states.

  • the camera has a wider angle lens which does cause distortion in the distances involved. The truck returned to the lane dangerously close to me. Also the driver crossed the white line at the road edge prior to passing and after passing. Failure to maintain a lane is a citation in this state.

  • I don't get it. What makes him unsafe? Maybe the video is just making it harder to see how close he actually passed you.

  • jenysymon, clearly you are not a trained cyclist and are not qualified to determine what is safe for me.

    Look up SmartCycling or Effective Cycling, or Street Smarts

  • Listen, I respect bikes, but riding in the middle of the road?!, gimme a break.

    If it was me I'd stay the right as safe and appropriately as possible. Ultimately both bikes and motorized vehicles need to share the road LETS ALL USE COMMON SENSE! On a bike, I'm no match against a 2 thousand pound car or a 30 ton truck!

  • Bravo!

  • buy a bike normally o a car

  • The speed limit is meaningless when it comes to safe bicycle operations. The higher the speed limit, the more important it is to operate as a vehicle, for safety reasons.

  • Whoa I ride on stop-and-go Urban streets all the time, but this is WAY too much for me. I assume the speed limit is at least 40mph?

  • t320f, perhaps you should recognize that bicycle riders are valid and legal users of the road and have the same rights and responsibilities as other road users. "for fun" does not apply for many of my rides, as this is my transportation. Perhaps you should restrict your driving to the interstate highway system only, since that is one place that bikes are not permitted, except they are allowed in some states.

  • I hate people who ride bikes on busy roads. really, isnt there somewhere else you can ride for fun? you know, with little to no traffic?

  • Continued....

    Seems when you are "polite" you as a cyclist expose yourself to DANGER, thus I understand why you ride on the road the way you do. I myself do the same on roads under construction where there is space to just one vehicle because if I ride to the extreme right, by being "polite" people just HONK, yell throw stuff, ect... I rather make them wait, ride a little, pull over, let cars by, and then do it again. As you said before, my life is not less important than the guy with the truck

  • Others' posts suggest that because it's legal does not mean it's safe, but they are not skilled nor qualified to make such statements. It is legal and it is safe. It is far safer to provide drivers time to change lanes than to be in a panic because a bike suddenly appears in view, especially if that driver is following too closely the vehicle ahead.

    Research vehicular cycling, John Forester and FL Statute 316.2065, paragraph 5 section a and you'll see reference to using the entire lane.

  • Interesting literature. Well appreciated. I do commend your dedication to abide to law, and what seems like a real "safe" and true understanding of cyclist rights on the road. As said before, I do understand what it is to be on a busy road with vehicles passing by (sometimes) inches by you. I thought of it as being "polite" by riding as far right as possible but find myself riding sometimes on the 1st third of the road so to NOT allow motorists to "squeeze" around me and cause me to crash....

  • genettico, you have a misunderstanding shared by many road users and unfortunately, by many people on bikes. Your statement "be riding as far as right as possible" is incorrect. The law reads "as far as right as practicable" and practicable means "that which can be practiced safely." Additionally, FL law allows a cyclist to use the entire lane when the lane is not 14 feet wide. Using the shoulder on this road means more risk of close-passes and an increased danger.

  • Seems like Clyde Morris?

  • I myself a cyclist do not appreciate the rude, non informed motorists that choose to use their vehicles as a tool to get cyclist OFF the road altogether! In this case, the trucker did not pass as per law, but then again you yourself should only be riding as far right as possible. If safety is your main goal, why are you taking a risk on riding in such a busy road?

  • Yes, we can use the whole lane if needed, specially when you are riding on a road where the speed limit exceeds 45mph (so it seems on your vid), because I hate it when motorists feel the need to ride by you at 45mph to 50mph within 2 feet of you. They forget the pressure wave they make with their vehicle is good enough to make a cyclist crash. With that being said, I think it is irresponsible for you to cycle in such a fast open big lane road when you definately had space to ride on the shoulder

  • The governor of Massachusetts just signed a Bicycle Bill Of Rights. It makes such behavior as this fellow displayed illegal.

    It also puts in place the education of all police personnel though out the state to be made aware and to enforce the laws.

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