AK 47 vs M16 Comparing accuracy, and penetration

[VSzx1]

Of cource americans say that the M16 is better because it's american.

[omega4chimp]

se silncers on the m16.then you dont even know were you are.

[thedogthat1eatstoast]

cant you make an AK-47 more accurate with a better barrel

[moptim]

And the Russian infantry doctrine is based on automatic fire, not single shots. That's where the AK is at its best. They have separate marksman rifles (such as Dragunov) as well.. and what about the AK-74? It shoots a cartridge that has something in common with the M16 5.56x45, the high velocity light bullet. Is it more accurate than the old AK-47?

[moptim]

The AK action might be crude but nevertheless you can hit the broad side of a barn with it. And way smaller and more distant targets..? And you could mass produce one for.. emm, say, 20 bucks, while an M16 would easily cost several hundreds. And just think which of em is more beautiful! ;D

[kupulisippi]

m16 may be a good weapon but ak 47 is still ak 47 :)

[mechmusician]

Gun is a tool. Each job has a proper tool. Each has their place. M16 would be a terrible militia/insurgent/survival issue because it's finnicky and high-maintenance. But it's deadly in the right, trained hands and maintained properly. AK is stupidly simple and guaranteed to work, but only the first round is accurate at all in a burst. The M16 is lighter to carry around. But you can use the AK as a club. Just figure out what you need your tool to do to pick the right one.

[tpd223]

@mechmusician M16s are not finicky, and they are easy to maintain.

[mechmusician]

@tpd223 Ok. Try going on a three-month tour of duty away from any base without any cleaning equipment. Then report back. Deadly accurate, lightweight, modular, and customizable. But still unreliable and finicky. Battle is a very messy place. Blood, mud, water, snow, sand, guts. All things that will stop the M16, but not the AK. Like I said, different tools for different jobs.

[Kylenashari]

Did anyone notice that they said that the target was set at 200 yards, but when they showed the sights of the AK, it was still set to 100. No wonder he missed.

[abz520]

Here is the end all! The M16 is more reliable than poeple think and the AK is more accurate than poeple think!

[MrGoryGlory]

@flatpicker10 true you can carry more ammo, but youll need more that you can carry when the ones you shoot dont even hurt the people your shooting at! And as far as it being complicated, compared to the AK, its just a stupid gun plain and simple. Simpler is better! Less parts means less jams, breaks, and cleaning

[shaveddave]

they should do a retest to see how acurate the rifle is. not the shooter. like by putting both firearms in a vice and firing at different distances

[YouJustL0stTheGame]

@shaveddave

I agree that the shooter is unqualified to shoot that rifle, that was a terrible grouping. However, the AK-47 would still lose in a vice grip situation. A well maintained m16 or m4 is a perfect launching point for the already well refined .223 round. The .223 is so small and fast that it has almost a perfect flight path out to 400 meters. The 7.62x39 tends to tumble at about 200-300 meters.

[shaveddave]

@YouJustL0stTheGame but what about inside 200-300 meters? is the ak acurate? does it hit where u aim?

[YouJustL0stTheGame]

@shaveddave

You should be able to hit a man sized target at those ranges. Your groupings will probably suck though. If I had to pick a survival rifle, it would be the ak. Great stopping power/reliability and decent enough accuracy to hunt and kill. If I had to pick a gun for a firefight, I'd pick the M16, has way more reach and once you hit your target they won't want to fire back.

[shaveddave]

@YouJustL0stTheGame o ok. i have an ak but i havent taken it to the range yet. when i do im gonna confirm those results. ud pick an m16 for a firefight? how far away do u think ur gonna be? lol but yea both rifles have advantages and disadvantages. it depends what you are using each for

[YouJustL0stTheGame]

@shaveddave

Ideally I'd be 400-500 meters away. Good luck hitting me behind cover with an ak. I still think I would have the advantage up to 50 meters due to the almost non-existent recoil. I could put 30 rounds on my target accurately and within 15 seconds.

[shaveddave]

@YouJustL0stTheGame the ak round is more likely to penetrate trhough walls and thick objects better. but at that range prob not gonna hit it lol. but at 50 meters idk. the ak round is bigger and packs more punch. a few shots and the target is down. but yes the m16 does have less recoil. but some can handle the ak some cant. i can handle the recoil pretty well and dump the mag acuratly decently fast

[frank6920]

@YouJustL0stTheGame in a city u arnt going to be shooting so far away really and if us on the other side of a wood wall or even brick the damage with a ak would rally be grater and so for an ak is better not only becouse of its power but in a war u aint going to get to clean ur ar after every fire fight like some people think and if ur fireing across the street at me u aint going to have time to aim at my head so what is your best bet really an ak or an ar

[frank6920]

@YouJustL0stTheGame and not only u dont have time to aim the ak has a long range model to compite agenst the ar ita called a ak 74 it uses a 5.45 simaler to an 5,56 and its sead to have everything the nato round has and a little more stoping power cus it jitters just like the nato 5,56 or also known as .223 still an ak 47 cant get comperd to an ar 15 cus bouth calivers are too diffrent but u can comper a ak 74 to an ar 15 cus the ak 74 uses almost the same round

[frank6920]

@YouJustL0stTheGame but the ak 74 hase everything the ak 47 but less recoil then the ar 15 and same accuresy at 700m then the ar 15 so if the only reason the ar 15 was better was accuracy you can just trow the ar out the window cus the ak 74 is durable accuret and needs less maintnence and the ammo is way less expencive then .223 ammo yeah the ak sights are for cave man but put a scope or red dot and problem solved really the truth is ak is just better for all out war. hope this helps

[moptim]

@frank6920 It depends somewhat on some factors. Let's take my country, Finland, as an example: you have densely forested terrain where any battle engagements would be short in range. In the 1950's we were thinking about getting assault rifles for our army, and we chose the Soviet 7.62x39mm cartridge instead of the NATO 7.62x51mm (which would work better on long range). 5.56x45 is based on the same principle as 7.62x51, it just kicks back less and has more diminutive terminal effects.

[moptim]

@frank6920 In other words, if shooting distances are short then the accuracy of the 7.62x39mm is adequate, and in its terminal power is excellent compared to its recoil. If you have to shoot further you either have to use a 5.56x45mm rifle or a battle rifle firing 7.62x51 (or 7.62x54R). Or to use a designated sniper rifle. But yeah there are many places where 5.56x45 or 5.45x39 are the best ones to use.

[moptim]

@YouJustL0stTheGame And then you would be shot with bursts, and probably one of those rounds would penetrate right through your cover and hit you. :P

[tpd223]

@YouJustL0stTheGame The 7.62 does no such thing. It may drop like a rock at distance, but it is stable and does not tumble.

[VSzx1]

The AK-47 is much more better than M16 or M4. Those american guns aren't very reliable but AK is. And the AK:s low accruracy is because of bad shooter or its sight has beeb adjusted too up. The sight of M16 isn't as good when aiming movin target as AK:s.

[VSzx1]

And that what they said about AK in the beginning (about it's barrel) is bullshit! It can't do enything like it!

[Sun6Tzu]

When firing on semi-automatic, the accuracy depends on the shooter. Some people do better with the M16 system, and some do better with the AK system. It depends on which one is comfortable for you, and feels right. Both the shooters were trained on the M16 system, obviously he would do worst when testing the AK. This video is propaganda.

[Timberwolf7585]

Rather have the M16. Lighter, more accurate at longer distances, and you have the greater capacity to kill the target instead of wounding it.

[TheSmartestTaco]

I think they both have their strengths and are both a great weapon and feel great in your hands. I have a nice russian AK (Drum mags, bipod, blued metal, and plain old iron sights, est) and a really nice AR (Same stuff as I have on my AK pretty much) that both cost me a pretty penny.

The AK is sheer power, the M-16 is more precision. If you really want to tear shit up, AK is your choice. If you want a clean headshot at 500 yards, M-16 is your choice. I wish sombody would comine the two!

[13thmistral]

@TheSmartestTaco ak-74 ?

or some of those more modern ak rfles firing other rounds then 7.62x39mm

[TheSmartestTaco]

@13thmistral Or the k-2000 daewoo.

[TheSmartestTaco]

@13thmistral I mean the DR-200 daewoo

[oeyesea]

Mexican drug cartels quit using AK47s after being in transRio Grande shootouts with US law enforcement armed with ARs. I suppose fighting somebody who can take you out with head shots at 200-300meters while your shots aren't getting anywhere your enemy is very eye-opening and motivating.

[flatpicker10]

The M16 is a great weapon. It does require daily cleaning, but if kept clean its very reliable. Its a lot more reliable than it is given credit for, just as the AK is more accurate than people think.

[thermonuclearweapon1]

What a stupid video and a stupid shooter, I absolutely can get 100/100 shot from AK at 200 meters, not 200 yards, iron sight only. At 100 m ,I can really hit something a bit bigger than 1 Heineken.

[TheHigherVoltage]

Open sights from a sandbag is a retarded accuracy test.

[wtg2989]

Your description shows that you are basing all your knowledge on this video. The guy shooting the ak47 is a horrible shot. There are videos everywhere showing the ak being very accurate at 200+ yards. If I were in a firefight within 300 yards, there is no weapon I would rather have than an AK. People assume that because it's not the most accurate, it must be just horrible and can't hit anything past 75 yds and that's BS. It's a rifle designed to kill a man, and it does kill men.

[DrunkenGodMode]

@wtg2989 lol the guy shooting the m16 is a horrible shot the ak guy was fucking terrible

[edenjonesss]

this video makes the ak47 out to be a shitty rifle...and that dude representing the ak47 (like a bitch i might add) cant shoot 200 yards with iron sights? give me a fuckin break

[mcleanm10]

The M16 is far more accurate than the AK. Hands down, bullet for bullet, your hit percentage will be higher with an M16. However, the AK is much more accurate than it is given credit for.

Keep in mind: Most people that use the AK are not trained. They use bad ammo and beat up rifles. You can get decent hits with the AK with a little training. Its accurate enough to be respected on the battlefield.

[thermonuclearweapon1]

@mcleanm10 It's only most. In Vietnam, my country, a college or even 1 high school good-eye-student can get 27/30 or 28 points after 3 shots of AK, at the first time shooting in their lives. My aunt got 28 in the first test.

Half of well-trained soldiers in a company can get 28/30, they all use Chinese-made of old Russian made guns after Vietnam War, which can't keep the accuracy as high as the above AK in the clip,fucking retarded video.

[flatpicker10]

@thermonuclearweapon1 The AK is not a match grade rifle. Its a good rifle for shooting at man sized targets at 200 yards. The M16 can drive tacks. It's very accurate.

The AK is easier to train on, cheaper, and more rugged. Shooting in combat is different than shooting unstressed.  MOST of the folks that the United States is fighting today are not as highly trained with weapons as the American Infantryman. This is evident in the kill percentage.

[BusinessKi11ER]

AK-47 wins, hands down. Get a M-16 if your a sore loser!

[Madmann135]

AK 47: A weapon of power and harsh environment reliability.

M16: A weapon of accuracy and low recoil. Lighter ammunition. (modern variants are better to combat elements)

approximately 10 kilogram ammo load:

5.56x46, 20 rd magazine @ .3 kg - 33 magazines/660 rds.

7.62×39mm.,30 rd magazine @ .8763 kg - 12 magazines/360 rds.

Winner!?:

Depends upon user preference.

I say overall they are just about even when it comes to strengths and weaknesses.

[flatpicker10]

@Madmann135 We use 30 round mags now.

[retardopose]

0:33 fatass amerifag

[joshkkv]

@retardopose << euro fag.

[sabufinisher]

i just wna ask is that m16a1?

[robbase54]

I like to the prema donna m-16 with all that crap lasers , flash light, gps , heart monitor, laptop, built-in crap. The m-16 is made in the good ole USA and out of all the things we can make this is the shit that are government comes up with crap gun... crap ammo 223...

[timothychong48]

You bastard, you're just another over confident fag about his own country. Bullshit. Maybe if you would stop stealing discovery channels videos, and go to Russia and see for your self, you wouldent be such a prick like you are now. If you people were not fucking kids who cant handle the recoil of the AK-47, your army would all be using AK's. Well, you're just kids arent you, bunch of motherfuckers who cant respect other weapons.

[CrazyyBodyguard]

The test is biased. Maybe the guy who fired the M16 is a better marksman than the guy who fired the AK-47.

[MrGoryGlory]

The M-16 SUCKS. Even american soldiers during vietnam hated the M-16, it jammed and got many soldiers killed in action wich is why during the vietnam war soldiers would toss the M-16 and pick up enemy AK-47's to use in combat (R.I.P. America's sons, brothers, husbans, and fathers) the M-16 should have never been used for battle.

[MrGoryGlory]

WHO THE FUCK WOULD EVER THINK THE M-16 WAS BETTER THAN THE AK-47?!?!? AK-47: 1. Extremely reliable and rugged 2. Extremely powerful 3. Easy to field strip and clean 4. High rate of fire 5. Keeps cool on full auto M-16: 1. Unreliable and complicated 2. Ammo suited for small animals 3. Breaks, jams, and is hard to feild strip and clean 4. Peep sights suck in low light 5. Overheats to extreme tempuratures on full auto

[flatpicker10]

@MrGoryGlory A lot of folks prefer the M16. It's a lighter weapon. You can carry more ammo. It's more accurate. The M16 is VERY reliable. It is not hard to strip and keep clean.

[psychokillax]

holy shit the guy with the ak is a terrible shot ,and he had the rifle rested on a bag?! and still couldnt hit shit? idk anymore people will believe anything these days ..check out 200 yard ak 47 iron sights by millerusaf , =P

[APMbeast32]

bull shit the ak-47 is way more accurate than that i can get a 5moa at 250 yards

[newyears912]

@APMbeast32 dumb

[APMbeast32]

@newyears912 look i do own both and at 200 yards i can dam sure do better than what the guy got on this target in the video. Ya we all know that the ak is not that accurate but at 200 u can still hit something. that is all im saying.

[newyears912]

@APMbeast32 oh! my bad i misread your comment...

ya i agree the shooter here sucks pretty bad lol

[BJCOOPER125]

If the m16 is "better", then why are more amreicans dying from ak47's then middle east of m16 rounds? (P,S. - i support my country.. but the ak is actually more accurate, its been tested before, it doesnt ever jam, and still shoots nomatter what. The m16 overheats to 800 degrees in under 8 seconds of shooting and has to be shot in bursts so it doesnt jam. The m16 is cool, but unreliable. If i were to go to a neighboring planet, i would bring an ak over a m16 anyday. 

[newyears912]

@BJCOOPER125 why are more americans dying from aks? because thats all the fucking sand terrorists can afford. Dont you think that if the ak was more effective the US military would use it? After all it IS CHEAPER than an m16, and being as greedy as us americans are wouldnt we not jump at such a deal if it were true? OF COURSE!

umm more accurate? gtfo it was just tested in front of you in this video

[nsaaea]

i like both rifles. the ar. if you want to clean it more often than shoot it then its great. but i stand with the everlasting ak. it's high reliability with minimal or no maintenance. and its not that bad of a shooter. maybe not a tack driver but i have no problem hitting center mass. plus its still made with that old thing called steel and wood. if all else fails club your enemy to death and the rifle will still function.

[Ramissand]

This is not a competition at all, the M16 is much better.Situation 1: you are alone in the middle of the desert. You have 100 rounds. You can see any moving object 500M away. Are you really going to choose the AK47 with low accuracy at 500M? Sit. 2: Your getting attacked from all sides. enemy are in-between your pals. Are you going to trust that bending, burping, hunk of metal (AK47) to shoot the bad guy, when your pals are 100M away and the enemy is 5M from you best pal? Accuracy is everything!

[newyears912]

@Ramissand You are literally the ONLY sane person when it comes to this ak vs m16 debate. The fucks the point of the rifle if you cant HIT ANYTHING WITH IT?

[ThePetru1]

ak47 IS 1 shot 1 kill..u can survive with an ak47 bullet in hand,body,leg..

[justdfactsmaam]

Did ya'll see that crappy grouping of the M16!!! He can't shoot for shite! This was a terrible doc on these weapons.

[kangooroo100]

m16 is a pece of plastik that can't be anything deadly ander 10 degrise, it just piese of junk

ak47 might have big recoil, but it is for sure 1shot one kill, the caliber is not pussy, it is really like death weapond never fails under any conditions never gives shit when wasn't looked after for ages.

P.S. AK-47 gives mushroom cloud when fired.

scope on ak-47 might be a bit hard to aim but pro's can aim with it acuratly in any distanse.

Dont foget it american video they all hate Russians.

[Warpath2198]

@kangooroo100 5.45 round and 5.56 round the first being Russian the second being NATO does more damage to flesh noob. Only 3rd world nations run around with AK-47's. The Russians ditched it as their standard rifle back in 1974.

[thetrialshot]

@kangooroo100 you fail

ak47 is not 1shot 1 kill

some people survived during iraq war and afghan war when hit by ak47

[realgungho]

Not hitting that target @ 200 yards is a joke ! I've shot these targets (& smaller) @ 300 yards with my AK & achieved good hit rates, comparable to an AR.

[CommanderLukas]

Spam because you're a jackass.

[BritneyAddicted4EVA]

AK wins hands down. Try testing M16A4 against AK-103 or AK-74M and I'm not saying some crappy copy of AK-47. Use Russian. AK's that are/were imported are inferrior. AK they were testing is prolly from Bulgaria/Romania or China.

[esh325]

@BritneyAddicted4EVA There is no absolutely nothing wrong with Bulgarian or Chinese copies from owning a few myself. The rifle in the video is most likely Russian.

[Warpath2198]

@BritneyAddicted4EVA To get a good AK in the U.S. it costs around 700 bucks. You can buy an AR15 for that. So there is no point.

[dillshark]

200 yards???

I'm getting ready for SHTF.... not to become a sniper!

[scallywag86]

and I just lost the game...fuck

Anyway. It`s a matter of training. Most armies equipped with the AK spray and pray while armies equipped with the M16 family take aimed shots. There`s a reason the losses on both sides are so uneven. They were built for different purposes and while each is superior in their respective ways, it all comes down to application.

[BeautyCents]

did you see the way that guy pulled the trigger on the ak? He yanked it like a lanyard on a 105. Obviously the fellow is not a rifleman.

[goonballer]

the ak isnt actually inaccurate compared to the m16 , several other tests have shown it to be about the same but with more power obviously . The thing the makes the ak inaccurate is the fact that the sight is to far away from the eye making the lining more difficult , but in the right hands you can hit the target 99.99% of the time

[scallywag86]

@goonballer This is half true. Semi Auto, the AK is fine but it loses range faster than the M16 and in full auto it`s not nearly as good at long range. The M16 is very reliable as long as you maintain it properly like any other rifle. As I said before, both represent different mentalities in battle and for what they were built for neither one has an edge.

[ak47yawhy]

@goonballer yep thats what i tell ppl all the time. Since i only have a semi ak which i prefer anyways i 99% of the time hit all my targets usally being claybirds in a stationary position or water jugs scattered around and thats about 50 60 yards. anything farther i use paper targets and do pretty good. ive hit a clay bird in 3 shots from the 250 yard range. id argue with anybody saying its not accurate. spray and pray is unaccurate.

[ScopedOUT2]

LOL at the description. It's so true.

[ILikeToMong]

They should have swapped guns on the grouping test incase the other guy was just a shit shot.

[FreakingDwarf]

AK hands down

enjoy your plastic peace of shit M16

[skpotamus]

Was more like a propaganda piece for the AR with a bunch of AR specialists running it.

They showed a closeup of the guy shooting the AK's trigger technique. He was mashing the trigger instead of pressing. He probably would've missed the target with the AR shooting like that. Should've had the same guy shoot both guns.

[esh325]

@skpotamus, He jerks that trigger like crazy. He talks about it not being really accurate when he's a very poor shot himself.

[WoWproductions21]

the ak47 does have more power but the m16 damage your organs more

[RedPower012]

Yes might as well go for them hollow points then if you want internal damage. The AK47 is a combat rifle, meant to penetrate cover and body armor. The M16 would not be sufficient when in combat with a trained and equipped enemy.

[wakeboarder860]

@RedPower012 what are you talking about both guns work great in battle and a hollow point ak round is not going to penetrate good military body armor it would prematurely expand. Plus hollow points are illegal in war.

[paronfisk]

This is not a real test, a scientist would not compare one of each. They would use more AR and shooter for a study. I bet this is just patriotic propaganda.

[yiannos1997]

wtf ak is better

[laminaatio]

Both guns are classic. And dont say that AK is better than M16 just because its looks finer.

[goldbullet50]

AK is much more reliable than M16

[Warpath2198]

@goldbullet50 Watch AR15 AK47 dirt/dust test and say that again noob.

[goldbullet50]

@Warpath2198 gees...

[Markio123123]

@goldbullet50 You got your facts mixed up Cod boy

[goldbullet50]

@Markio123123 For god sake!!! If I play call of duty series doesn't mean I'm a cod boy, I don't base my weapon knowledge for some god damn game. But seriously, M16 is famous for it's unreliability due some dust, unlike AK-47 which is famous for it's reliability.

[Markio123123]

@goldbullet50 The Ak-47 jams so much bud, The ak is known for its popularity because its everywhere and very easy to obtain, The M16 is a far greater design. But still, to compare these guns is like comparing apples with oranges, The M16 is more of a long range rifle and the AK-47 is more of the smg/rifle type (judging by rate of fire)

[esh325]

@Markio123123 The AK jams? Do you own AK's?

[Markio123123]

@esh325 Its a well known fact. No gun in the history of the world never jams.

[esh325]

@Markio123123 I've had jams with my AK's, but the majority of them have been very reliable.

[Markio123123]

@esh325 early models aswell? It is a down fall of the design in the army why else do you think american soldiers dont use them?

[esh325]

@Markio123123 Even the early models worked well. I don't really understand where you got the idea that AK jams. And unless you have fired an AK, I don't think you have any knowledge on the subject. Technically, the US military does use AK's. Mostly special operations forces. They aren't regular issue for the common soldier.

[Markio123123]

@esh325 im pretty sure AK 47s are not in the military especially with special ops missions, i can see it if they are in disguise but not the main weapon.

[SirHoover2010]

@goldbullet50 Both cleaned and in perfect working condition M16 is better, in combat AK

[paronfisk]

Are tease shooters really professional?

[RedPower012]

What do you think? They guy cant hit a a man size target at 200 yards with the ak47, I wouldn't be surprised if he has never fired a gun in his life.

[paronfisk]

@RedPower012 I guess.

[Transporter1022]

The accurecy test is BS, The M16 is WAY more accurate than that. Same thing with the AK.

[jamalicious1]

the ak is definitely a good jungle gun, but for urban environments, i think the m16 would be better. a semi-auto 7.62x51 sniper rifle would be a good choice if you think you might need to take some long range shots.

[detailedplayer]

youre kidding. i luv the ak . its the best.

[Elricc1]

The Ak can be modified to be more accurate and then it still is more powerful. plus its the most mass produced rifle so u can infinitely upgrade it, and it is less expensive.

[powderkillr]

How??

If you are going to compare the AK with an attachment, add the same thing onto the m-16

You can't make the bullets any weaker,

you can't take away recoil effectively

They don't make rifles so you can upgrade them when they cost $46.73 USD to make...

[Elricc1]

Im just saying its FAR more prolific, so naturally the gun will have upgrades made for it that arent expensive. My other point was the AK can be modified in some way to make it almost as accurate as the m-16. besides, in most situations ur not 250 yards away all propped up. your most likely to be a little on edge. In which case I want the one that goes through a tree, and will NEVER jam. The m-16 is a great rifle, no doubt. i own an AK and an M16. I just like the AK better.

[MrHairyNutz]

Not to mention the AR-15/M16 SS109 ammunition outside of about 200 yards basically turns the bullet into an ice pick rather than shattering thats with a 1'7 twist,20 inch barrel

[WeisserWolf666]

AK's Rule! Need not say anymore!

[Xp21007]

the AK47 rules it never stop firing the m16 suck and the ak47 is more powerful the m16 firers a 22cal bullet the ak fires a 7.62cal bullet m16 gust not as good as the ak47

[powderkillr]

m16 fires a 5.62.... AK 47 is very unreliable, m16 is a ton better? I have shot both in real life, my uncle owns a gun shop... no need to say anymore really. The AKs recoil doesn't allow you to effectively shoot it in automatic mode

[Xp21007]

5.56 suck it has no stopping power i have also shot both an the ak47 will all was be my fav and the m16 takes to long to clean the ak47 is so easy to clean a 4 year old kid can do it the m16 is gust not as good

[powderkillr]

Dude... Honestly, cleaning a gun doesn't mater when you are comparing gun strength honestly... Kids get stupider everyday... m16 makes up for having a weak round with its extreme accuracy...

AK 47 Jams all the time, it is only good on Call Of Duty because so idiot game designer made it...

[TheCrazyFinn]

Iv'e never had a jam on my RK-95(an AK variant), with live rounds, a few with blanks.

[powderkillr]

Are you from the US or Canada, in both those areas its highly illegal to posses any gun that fires automatic, it has to only have semi...

And I am talking about the AK not some knock off bullshit thats better than the cheap ass AK

[TheCrazyFinn]

Finland, highly illegal here also, unless you're in the military... =)

Not a knock off, an entirely new weapon with superior craftsmanship and materials. Along with the Galil, the best AK variant, and one of the best rifles in the World. Mechanically the same as an AK, though.

[cookie58663]

in the US IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO OWN A FULLY AUTO AK.

[powderkillr]

Yes it is.... Unless it was made before May 5 1988, then your fine..

[cookie58663]

you just proved my point that it is legal to own one. To say its illegal is like saying that there is no way of owning one period.

[Kekermonger]

Oops, I read your post wrong. :P my bad lol.

[Kekermonger]

You can own a fully auto AK if you have a class 3 FFL license. I believe you have to get it registered, but not quite sure. So, you are wrong, you can own a full auto AK, or most any other full auto gun for that matter.

[Elricc1]

iv shot 3K rounds in my AK.. with VERY little cleaning.. Never jammed once, But thats just me.

[OutdoorsBlackMan]

.22 (5.5mm?) and .223 (5.56...not 5.62) is only 3 THOUSANDTHS of an inch of difference.

[powderkillr]

Yeah ik and what is the point?

[OutdoorsBlackMan]

You were arguing with the guy who said the m16 fires a 22 cal bullet by saying "M16 fires a 5.62...".

.223 is pretty close to .22....

[powderkillr]

Alright ya little bitch..

That number measures the inside of the Barrel...

A .223 BULLET weighs 62 Grams flys at 3,100 fps, at 1,767 foot pounds of energy.

An average .22 BULLET that weighs 40 grains flys at 1,080 fps, with 104 foot pounds of energy

Now you tell me those two BULLETS preform the same..

Bullet size means nothing look at the ballistics..

[OutdoorsBlackMan]

The caliber refers to the width of the bullet. Sometime they do go by the bore of the gun. 38 special BULLETS are the same caliber as 357 magnum BULLETS, for example....

223 puts about the same size hole into soft targets as .22WMR (basically the same .22lr bullet with a bigger case and extra powder).

[powderkillr]

You are talking to me like I have no idea about bullets...

Caliber is Measured from the width of barrel THAT is why a 223 DOESNT put the same hole in a target as a .22

A 223 compresses as most rifles do going out the barrel Which is why it is so much bigger than a .22

You could do the same thing with a little .22 but there isn't enough force to compress the bullet, which is why they are so small

A .223 is going to fuck you up, while a .22 earns you a nice scar and a trip to the hospital

[OutdoorsBlackMan]

What kind of in field testing have you done?

[powderkillr]

Ummm.. Besides The fact I own a Remington .223, and a Browning .22LR, Both semi automatics..

I have shot at alot of things with both, wood, ballistics gel, bear, squirrels, rabbits, old empty 55 gal drums, shot a morning dove with a .223(no dove left after), i have shot tons of stuff.

A .223 will bring down a White Tail Buck, Black Bear, and anything smaller, once you kill a Black Bear with a .22 I'll believe that they make a similar hole...

[OutdoorsBlackMan]

I wouldn't bother buying anything smaller than 30 cal for big game hunting. My sweet spot is 308.

Anything close to .22 is a rabbit getter, but I would rather use a pellet gun because the ammo is cheaper and quieter.

[powderkillr]

Yeah I have a .300 Weatherby Mag also...

I like the .223 for Turkeys, Coyotes, and stuff like that, but I know what you mean...

[Arelak]

They messed up REALLY bad with the AK-47: NO MUZZLE BRAKE! Get one and your accuracy goes WAY up!

[powderkillr]

you need to buy a new barrel if you plan on that too... and the point of the show is to show the rifles w.o any modifications or accessories what so ever, how they would be used in war.

[Arelak]

No you do not need a new barrel, there are PLENTY of gun smiths who can solve that problem easily no new barrel needed. Also the M16 the guy fires has a muzzle brake on the end which is not a fair assessment of the two.

[joeybognar]

i was just gonna say that js

[jscameo]

this test might mean something if the same guy fired both guns its like me shooting against my three year old.

[AthrunZalaZaft]

@jscameo I agree completely. Take a look at how the chap with the AK-47 pulls the trigger at 3:36. He slaps the trigger hard; which is usually the first thing that instructors tell you NOT to do when firing your rifle. The accuracy shown on those paper targets is just pathetic for the AK, which leads me to believe that the rifling is in poor shape... I mean really, the thing is a rifled firearm. Semi-automatic should lend at least decent accuracy.