@frank44145 okay you think about this. Robbery. You draw a gun on the bad guy. The clerk has already hit the panic button. Cops arrive. You're behind a shelf. Bad guy is behind another shelf. WTF do the cops do now? Shoot you both and ask questions later, that's what. Likewise this: you carry an open gun. SO DOES THE BAD GUY. Clerk waits on you. Clerk waits on bad guy too. Bad guy shoots clerk because clerk thought he had nothing to be afraid of. YOU are too late.
Such an asinine attempt at whining away the 2nd Amendment. It's the law. Get over it. If you don't wish to defend yourself DON'T...maybe you won't learn the hard way.
Your little creation here is a hypothetical liberal fiction that comes no where near reality. I see why you weren't replied to originally. This response is so absurd. You setup the situation and presume to know what's going to happen with two imaginary people and imaginary police.
@marksmith46 Legal carriers have committed no crimes. They are not mental cases. They have had local, state, and Federal background checks.
A criminal does not open carry as I said. A criminal conceals his weapon until he strikes. What if your imaginary "open carry" criminal was walked up to by the police and asked for his Permit? What if this? What if that? What if shoved up your arse with a whiffle ball bat?
@marksmith46 ...and I must point out the INVALIDITY of the liberal propaganda "what if's".
Like I said I hope you don't learn the hard way about Reality and become the victim of a violent crime. It would be better for you to seek LOGIC and Common Sense now than to risk such, but I doubt it.
Yes your post was 2 weeks old, but I couldn't resist pointing out the idiocy of the "What if" commentary you posted.
@marrob357 Seriously. Myself, I weigh like 150 lbs. I'd look ridiculous with a gun. This guy, I truly believe, carries a gun just because it makes him look like even more of a douchebag. OOPS! I meant "tough guy". lol
Liveing in fear is not liveing in a civil society the antigun group fear my guns they are the people preventing civility. I have nothing to fear I can defend myself and my loved ones if somthing happens.
What are you teaching your children? well mam we are teaching them that we have a 2nd ammendment right to open carry for personall protection because the police are not there to protect you and generally show up after you've been mugged.We are teaching them to be responsible for themselves in a society that has many illegal weapons hidden from view and we are teaching them that good guys wear guns openly carried like cops do whereas bad guys don't.
@2wheels88 Great words. What sickens me is that pretty much all of the stores in my town put up the no gun sign. That really dampens my right to defend myself against the thug robbers. And since this area you have to drive to get anyway, the only time I can carry is while driving. It really sucks.
@2wheels88 That's the big problem. Legally I can not carry into a store to protect myself. Maybe all of the victims in the robberies should start suing the stores for failing to provide a safe store.
WAVE thinks Wisconsin already has a low crime rate and there is no need to legalize gun carry. The problem with that is victims won't have any concern over numbers, stastistics or comparisons while in the process of being stabbed, robbed, or raped.
Police will only be there to write a nice report after the crime has happened.
or Create a video response * I have walked into many bars in Wisconsin and never saw a problem :) normally the concealed carry and open carry gun geeks are in the corner talking about computers and the next new organic health drink lol.
Law abiding citizens carrying for defense is the answer to criminals carrying for assault. It's not the perfect answer but as is so blatantly obvious we do not live in a perfect world. As for my children, what am I teaching them, that their life is precious and it is worth defending.
you guys that are bashing this woman for what she says (even though what she says is incorrect) is one reason why people don't like concealed carry, they don't like the concept of guys with your attitudes carrying a gun, your all feeding the anti-gun flames when you all lash out like that...chill and be civil. :) Sheepdogs are gentle...they aren't hot heads, so lets all show them we are good people and conduct this argument without profanity, it makes all pro-gunners look bad when you use it. :)
This dumb bitch needs to study the gun laws and crime rates in Switzerland. Gun control has never been about controlling guns, its always been about controlling people. What planet do these idiots come from?
what this dumb Blond dont realize is not everybody is a kind and gentle sole there are people out there that will kill you for the shoes on your feet.hell there are people that will kill you for fun.this BLOND BIMBO has been sheltered way to long probable in a state or government job no doubt and it seems to me you are teaching your kids to be sheep.and to get every thing from the government they will protect you ha im not for open carry i do think it can provoke some and scare other sheepeople
What does that ulgy bitch know about public safety, she sits on her fat ass at a desk all day flipping through papers. The cops and the public defenders that are out on the streets, they are the ones that know the streets, and they are pro carry. She should shut her wrinkly ass up and look at the statistics, stupid fucken whore, god damn troll
Look at what happened to Australia after disarming its citizens. Violent crime, robberies, beatings, etc rose dramatically.
I open carry, and will continue to open carry until we get a constitutional carry in our state of WI. Then I will conceal.
We cant rely on the police to protect us all the time. Average response time of 5 minutes means the criminal will have a 4 minute head start on him. I AM the first line of defense for myself and family, or any other citizen whos life may be in peril
oh silly anti gun people-don't you know your time is near. soon you shall be utterly defeated, utterly disgraced & utterly despised. the courts hate you. the legislatures hate you. the president & all the governors hate you. the only thing you have accomplished is delivering house & senate seats to the republicans. such silly little fools. don't you know that you were used. your opponents wanted you to campaign for gun control because your campaigning does nothing but promote gun ownership :)
Why should the citizen pay for so called license to a constitutional right.
If the gov wants you licensed they the gov should pay for training. All except ammunition at the fire rang test.
It would be simple to have the state police fire arms instructor, review by two or three prosecutors and a state appellate judges to make sure it is right. Then put all info on DVD about the legal requirements. Make them available through the web, local police and county.
This lady and other retarded people out there needs to understand the reason we want to carry conceal...is so that NO ONE KNOWS, you retards!!! Holy F!@# there's alot of idiots out there. Sorry for the foul language... If we have the law it'll make people think twice before doing something stupid like robbing someone.
This lady and other retarded people out there needs to understand the reason we want to carry conceal...is so that NO ONE KNOWS, you retards!!! Holy F!@# there's alot of idiots out there. Sorry for the foul language... If we have the law it'll make people think twice before doing something stupid like robbing or raping someone.
Yea that bonavia thinks that because if you carry a gun it will give kids the impression we all dislike eachother. So NOW we wont carry guns, have no self defence, get jumped and die. BUt dont worry! the kids wont get the impression, and all we had to do was give up our self defence in order to "send a message to the kids"
The lady in this video asks "what are we teaching our kids about our society" does she know we have a military that our gov send our kids to fight for what ever reason. What is that teaching? Isnt that vilolence? We can go to other countrys and shoot people there and thats ok? I want to get all the people who are againt guns and have a debate, face to face on natinal television with no media editing, and educate them, and the rest of the US
For the first time I like the press. The AssociatedPress. They gave last word to right person: responsible for own safety and safety of everyone around law abiding Citizen carrying firearm. Not concealed (which bastards prohibit) but openly carrying (one should realize: open carry has multiple disadvantages compared to concealed carry)
That guys arms aren't going to do him much good when someone shoots at him with another gun... I think he has every right to carry a gun. I do it too. If people don't like it, they're entitled to close their eyes. They DO NOT have a right to deny my rights on the basis of a false sense of "safety."
Looks to me like this guy carries three guns; the one on his belt and his two arms!
On a more serious note, Jeri Bonavia needs to understand that in the real world, there are legitimate and credible threats that people may encounter that could potentially severely disable or end their lives. Should she ever encounter a situation like that, I hope her magical fairy dust works out for her. As for me, I'll trust myself with my lawfully concealed pistol.
If I saw this guy walking down the street, I wouldn't bat an eye. He's clean cut, carries himself in a normal manner. If anything, I would think he was a plain clothes cop. If you don't like it you may want to take another look at the country you live in. It's legal, people are going to do it, and that's the way it is.
The vast majority of American citizens strive to be hard working, law abiding people; just looking to enjoy the small things life has to offer. Then we have the polar opposite: Scum bags that live their life preying on innocent people in order to further a personal agenda. We live amongst murderers, rapists, drug dealers, terrorists (yes, terrorists) etc... And somehow "gun control" activists would like me to simply close my eyes and ignore the fact that most cities have 10X the ...
Amount of criminals then they do LEO’s patrolling the streets? Get real. If it were possible to holster an LEO on my hip, I WOULD, but this isn’t a fairy tale. A quick response by a team of EMT’s after a violent crime may help some sleep better at night, but personally, I’d rather not risk it. If I’ve got the option to choose between a .40 cal Springfield or and underpaid cop magically manifesting himself at the scene of a violent crime, guess what? I can draw my gun faster than I can dial 911.
One of Jeri Bonavias followers on W.A.V.Es facebook page said "
John Schneider: I would be tempted to taunt them until they draw the weapon, then shove it right up their ass. Probably best to avoid conflict though, hehehey.
like im not legally allowed to own a gun, but at the same time its very possible i can go to LA right now and buy an ak 47 for maybe $500, though it may be a used product. ridiculing our 2nd amendment rights gives way for organized crime to circulate "used guns" in the black market. similar to money laundering. wise up
jeri bonavia is a moron. is she one of those parents that consults a book for every phase of her kids life? guns are scary, therefore we shouldnt have them. come back to reality bitch! because our gov is trying to suppress our right to open carry (which i think is retarded in its own right), people are making it a kind of counter culture. the same with weed. because regardless of whether you think they should or should not be legal, ITS BEING SOLD ANYWAYS! ever heard of the black market bitch?
Wow, that is a huge guy in the video, like having 2 bodyguards. But concealment seems preferred, you don't "freak out" people, and there is that great element of surprise. If a crime being committed, or about to be, a perceived nonchalant bystander could be packing a concealed weapon, unbeknownst to the attacker. By carrying open, you become the first target since you are the threat to the criminal. Better to blend in, then strike by surprise when the opportunity arises.
What a dumb ass fucking bitch. She has no fucking brain. More guns equal more crime? Yea, ok. Check out California. Its extremely difficult to carry a gun on you in California and look at how high the crime rate is there. On the other hand, look at Texas. Just about everybody carrys a gun on themselves because the law is so lenient in that area. Look at how much lower the crime is in Texas compared to California. People just need to get educated
It's way too late.....states like NY, NJ and Mass don't have the 2nd ammendment right. If the goverment can do 3 states than thy'll find a way to do all 50 states. Americans are giving away their freedom with a smile, soon America will be a Police state where freedom is only a myth.
More guns = more violence has always been a tactic used by the anti-gun crowd. And it's NEVER happened in any state that has passed laws allowing carrying of firearms concealed or openly.
Why are police and retired police in Wisconsin allowed to carry concealed, but normal civilians can't? You can show it without permission, but you can't conceal it w/o permission. Why are police given special privileges that law-abiding citizens are not? That's bullshit if I've ever heard of it...
LMAO!!! Doesn't increase public safety or personal safety? Tell that to all the people whose lives have been saved by CCW. Fuck the anti-gun morons. It takes a life changing experience for them I gues
bonavia has been paid off simple, and as for the guys comment about people provoking an incident because you carry well if your a meth addict maybe, escaped mental patient ok gangbanger well who cares if you get shot anyone i missed?
i think that chick is right we need to teach or children to bow down and take it like a bitch the last thing we need to do is teach them to defend themselfs just imagine if the colonists didnt have guns what a fuckin twat that bitch is
This lady is off in la la land. Yes it would be a great world if nobody had guns and if people were all happy, peaceful and jolly. But this world isnt like that. The world is full fo scum. Scum that kidnaps, molest and kills kids. Scum that rapes woman. Scum that rob people. Scum thugs that will pick a fight with you and hurt you for no reason other than to show their tough. Innocent, law abiding citizens have ever right to be armed.
Personally, I prefer to carry concealed. But people should be able to carry openly too if that's their thing. Seems like it's getting more popular these days.
I didn't think any carry was legal in Wisconsin. I guess that just Illinois as the only complete no carry state. I'd rather open carry. I think it's more comfortable.
I carry, I will continue to carry until they take it from my lifeless corpse...my safety and ensuring my life isn't cut short is my responsibility, the police in my experience as a personal security officer are minutes or longer away when you need to react now.
"What are we showing our kids", I guess its okay to be a victim it's not okay to protect yourself. Just like she have the rights of freedom of speech and the right to voice her opinion, we have the rights to bear arms and protect ourselves. There are a lot more criminals than there are law abiding citizens.
We need as many tools as we can get to fight the media's ignorant, misleading and misguided propaganda about firearms, brainwashing society basically.
Ms Bonavia is ignorant (deliberately unaware) of results from other states as well as research about the effect of lawfully-carried firearms on the crime rate. When concealed carry is allowed, crime drops. Criminals don't want to risk attacking someone who can fight back effectively. And if you check out other videos by Wisconsin Carry (here on YT) you'll see someone grocery shopping with absolutely NOBODY alarmed in the least.
@truthnproof You are correct but have you ever talked to a liberal?They "think" rather than get the facts...emotion trumps everything.Michael Savage says liberalism is a mental disorder and he's right.I could have a more productive conversation with a fire hydrant on the sidewalk than with a lib.They are sick people and need help.Liberalism needs to be destroyed like cancer but keep a couple around...put them at the zoo...in a cage...poke them with sticks and such.
@truthnproof Of course they have to go to an ignorant sheep like her to "balance" their story...no amount of facts will get her to open her eyes.These people hate guns...period. And then to go to that clueless black guy who never made it past third grade...this is what we're up against. Concealed carry will soon be the law of the land...long live Gov. Walker!
I think it's great that this guy carries his gun openly everywhere. I disagree with the prohibition of concealed carry in Wisconsin. I wish I was brave enough to openly carry in Milwaukee. I read in the Wisconsin law that if you openly carry your gun, you risk being arrested for disturbing the peace. I don't know if that would actually happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did....
the lady is on drugs in dream land.. People are not by nature good.. If they were, why do we need the cops, jails, courts and all that... The truth is plain to see.. And armed people is a much safer people.
no one is going to provoke an incident with the guy in the red shirt. the lady in the interview would most likely be more comfortable with a UN Belgian soldier knocking on her door demanding ID then one of her neighbors open carrying a glock.
There are a large number of Americans who truely are sheep.
that fucking lady is a retard. everyone should be armed. we dont need police. we call them because they have guns. they wouldnt pull the shit they do if we all had guns.
A huge guy like that can usually deter trouble just by standing up, but Its nice to see someone his size who realizes that muscle wont stop bullets and that he could still be shot dead by an 11 yr old girl with a crappy 22 cal revolver and no training.
I don't open carry because I can carry concealed , but if I did OC, I would always dress like I was off duty police detective. It puts people at ease to see a professional looking individual OCing rather than some ratty crack addict looking guy.
Jeri Bonavia that is the problem You are not teaching the kids nothing other then how to be a victim be it crime or self. Why not use all that energy and money to teach the kids gun safety and their rights as an Law abiding citizen of America? IMO
I'm so glad I live in Florida, the concealed carry capital of America. Open-carry is illegal in Florida, which is good because cops and criminals don't know who's carrying and who's not.
"The best way to live amongst each other is armed?" Well....yea. Another way to put it would be "The best way to live amongst each other is that each person be responsible for their own defense from assault."
No data supports her claim. The man isn't trying to force her to carry, yet she is trying to force him not to carry. (FACE PLAM) Fucking anti-gun hippies!!
Criminals don't obey laws and will carry a concealed firearm to harm or kill their victims. Law abiding citizens with proper training should exercise their right to carry and protect themselves and loved ones. It is impossible to eradicate firearms, no matter how insane our laws become. Strict gun laws disarm law abiding citizens, prevent us from protecting ourselves, and give more power to criminals.
@TriggerFinger338 I'm sure nobody's telling *you* that. They're just telling it to to actual *crazy* people that might start shooting up a place. Everybody knows that *you're* not dangerous. In fact, I'm sure that if you walked into my daughter's daycare with the gun on your him, I'd feel better about her safety.
Wow take away guns from good people? People can still get guns illegally and those are going to be the people that want to hurt others. Um what makes it so much harder to smuggle guns then illegal drugs? And now we have no protection. Dumbasses.
then why carry a gun? to wave at someone and "intimidate" them? You should only carry a weapon that you plan on using if "heaven forbid" you need to. If you carry it for fun or a cool-factor the you are asking for real trouble
@evolutionist101 it appears to me that this guy needs to feel like a "tough guy"... even when he is going to the store and walking the dog haha. seems like a weak minded fellow... or simply making up for his manhood.
@timabad Your perception is quite flawed. I carry a firearm because of my LOVE for my family. It is MY job to protect them to the best of my ability. It is MY job to return to them. Until you know what helplessness feels like (and I hope you never do) you will never understand. To judge someone for their reasons to carry is childish and displays you have no argument. On top of that, it is a Constitutional Right...your "feelings" on the matter...is moot.
@timabad The same kind of city where the Luby's massacre took place. The same kind of city where random violence takes place. Our "smaller, peaceful town" just found a man in a burned car, with a bullet hole in his head. I also have a fire extinguisher and a smoke alarm, in my home. Am I afraid of fire? Or do I wish to be prepared? I wear my seatbelt. Am I afraid of a crash? Or do I wish to be prepared? Do you have/do any of the above? If so..why are you scared?
@timabad Telling someone that they seem scared is also NOT an argument. I've been over this. If you'd like to have a real discussion on the subject...feel free. Otherwise, go troll someone else. Ask another troll question and it will demonstrate you have no intellectual position and that you have no argument. It demonstrates you have an ignorant position. It is you that seems to have fear. Fear of law-abiding citizens exercising a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Good day to you.
@evolutionist101 do you live in the middle east? You shouldn't feel so unsafe. you should move if things are that bad. do cause a lot of trouble? If things really are as bad for you as someone in, say, darfur, wow, I can see why you would need a gun to feel safe...
@timabad I see you don't read the news. Rapes, murders and a multitude of violent crimes occur everyday. Many of those people are FIRST TIME victims. What is wrong with simply having options? I feel safe with or without a firearm. I feel safe without a fire extinguisher, but I still own one. Do you wear your seatbelt? If so..are you scared without it? Please address this question. Have you ever been in a situation in which you were helpless to a violent criminal? Answer please.
@evolutionist101 sure, I will gladly NOT avoid your questions =)
I read the news. nothing is wrong with options, though going to extremes is a sign of malfunction. I wear a seatbelt. =) I am not scared without it, I put it on so I won't get a ticket most of the time. I have not been/felt helpless to a violent crime or anything else. I know how to defend myself, and I'm intelligent.
@timabad Thanks for answering. Your mental block (not an insult) starts with an irrational fear of an inanimate object. It is NOT extreme to carry a firearm. This where we split with logic and reason. With your logic, all Cops must be extreme. A firearm is a tool. Just like a seatbelt, fire extinguisher, life insurance, home insurance. All tools/options. If you think my examples are silly, you're partly right. Replace the word "firearm" with those other "options". and it sounds silly to me, too.
@timabad No. I am not a Cop, but is a Cops life worth more than mine? Are going to suggest that it is his a part of his job? Many anti-gunners will say that guns will escalate the situation. If that is true, shouldn't Cops then go unarmed?
@timabad Interesting question. At the age of 21, I purchased my carry permit. I didn't carry for over 13 years. I've only carried the last 3 years. I never felt afraid or worried when I didn't carry. Do I feel "more secure" or "more confident"? Yes and no. Only in the sense, if danger approached. As for my ability to just be in public, I've never been a timid nor shy individual. I feel the same "confidence" with a seatbelt on and a fire extinguisher in my house. I simply feel prepared.
@timabad The same POTENTIAL danger I face with having a car wreck or with my house burning down. Have you not drawn the lines connecting the examples I've been making, over and over again? It is simply being prepared with OPTIONS in case a situation arises. I drive everyday without having an accident, yet I still wear my seatbelt. I live everyday in a house with a fire extinguisher, yet I've never had a house burn down. Are actions then considered irrational?
@timabad Robbery, carjacking, an attempted rape of my wife, assault, a mad man going on a rampage. ANY violent crime you can think of. Simply being at the wrong place at the right time.
Is your next question going to be the likely-hood of this happening? My answer will be pretty close to this...I'd rather HAVE a firearm and not need it, than NEED firearm and not have it. What is the likely-hood of my house burning down? Should I just not carry insurance and remove my smoke detector?
@timabad Simply displaying a firearm is not deadly force. The only time deadly force is applied is when the trigger is pulled. I have twice stopped a potential violent crime by letting 4 drunk frat boys know I was armed. They didn't feel the need to pummel me after that. And another time was when an alcohol/drug crazed driver at 3am acted as though they wanted to ram me for no reason at all. Two crimes stopped. No police activity needed. No deadly force necessary. Knowledge is key.
@timabad I prevented 2 violent crimes. Anti-gunners would rather violence had taken place. A firearm is a tool. Only as good as the individual behind it. Permit carriers are the most law-abiding segment of society and is only responsible for less than 1% of ALL violent crime. You stand a more likely chance of being struck by lightning, than shot by a permit carrier. I've represented my view logically. If you don't wish to carry, that's your choice. Just don't get in the way of my rights.
@evolutionist101 it's good you have it all the time then. what would you do without it? it is good that you keep it available as a necessary tool for your own feeling of well-being.
@timabad Your sarcasm is unjustified. I've used reason and logic to explain my position. Yet you've never answered ANY of my questions. Do you have home insurance? Why? Do you wear your seatbelt? If so, could you go on without it? You seem to have a mental block to accept logical positions. You should find a friend who owns a gun. Ask them to take you to the range. Target shooting competition is fun. Try it one day, instead of tossing insults to carry your irrational position.
@evolutionist101 I've just been asking you questions. I have no dog in this fight. I've answered your seatbelt question. I answered all your questions. I really would like to know though, what you would do without a gun? why where you afraid of the frat boys? do you not know how to protect yourself, or did you think they might have their own gun? No sarcasm, I do think its good for you to hold your gun next to you, if that's what make you feel brave. My nephew used to hold his blanket
@timabad If you think that 4 people beating on your is fun and NOT life threating,,,you're crazy. Some people enjoy violence. You seem to be one of those. I prefer to avoid it/prevent it. And somehow, you think I'm the twisted one......Good luck with your violence.
@evolutionist101 I defend myself if I have to. You seem to be a "the glass is half empty" kind of guy. I don't immediately count myself out.
I don't imagine the 4 people beating on me. I too do my best to avoid violence. I can't see myself carrying a gun around, and be afraid of frat boys and drunk people my whole life.
@timabad You lack the mental capacity to grasp the reality of this world we live in. I've already told you. I'm NOT afraid. I've explained that already. It's not about FEAR. It's about having OPTIONS. Answer this: Do you own a fire extinguisher? Are people who own one afraid there house will burn down? Do you wear a seatbelt out of fear? Anyone with a measurable IQ, can grasp this. Everytime you suggest I carry out of fear, demonstrates you lack ANY intellectual capacity.
@evolutionist101 me - "why where you afraid of the frat boys?" you - "Tell you what...you take on 4 200lbs guys"... I don't own a fire extinguisher. A person who keeps a fire extinguisher with them all day expecting a possible fire at any moment needs a psychiatrist. (even though your gun=extinguisher comparison is severely making light of the gun) I wear a seatbelt so that I won't get a ticket...remember?
@timabad So a person that keeps their fire extinguisher with them (at home) all day, need a psychiarist? Gotcha.
I suppose a Cop needs one, too. Totally logical position you have. Just admit you live in fear while driving a car.
Making light of gun? You are making a mountain out of a mole hill with your mental block you have. A firearm is a tool. You can't grasp that. You don't have the mental capacity. You have yet to make an argument. Do you have one? Doesn't look like it.
@timabad So a person that keeps their fire extinguisher with them (at home) all day, need a psychiatrist? Gotcha.
I suppose a Cop needs one, too. Totally logical position you have. Just admit you live in fear while driving a car.
Making light of gun? You are making a mountain out of a mole hill with your mental block you have. A firearm is a tool. You can't grasp that. You don't have the mental capacity. You have yet to make an argument. Do you have one? Doesn't look like it.
@timabad "do you know how to protect yourself without a gun?"
Yes. Do your female loved ones know how? Are you going to teach them the Austin Powers "Judo Chop!" You seem to think there is no difference in fighting 1 man, or fighting 4 men. Should a 90lb woman be able to carry? How about elderly people? Are you going to tell a 70 yo to learn to be a real man and learn Brazilian Ju-jit-su? Are you saying you can pretty much beat everyone?
@timabad Up until now, you have simply make emotional assertions about people you don't even know. If you have an argument....let's hear it. If all you have is..."I don't like it!" "They have a small penis!" "They must be scared!" It demonstrates a severely deficient IQ. I'll listen to an argument...otherwise...I'm done here.
@evolutionist101 I've told you I don't have a stance when it comes to gun control. "I have no dog in this fight." I don't care that people have them. The reasons they have them interest me. I've been asking you questions to get some background. you've misquoted me three times, but put the text in quotes as if I wrote those exact words... on the other hand;
"Tell you what...you take on 4 200lbs guys" and "If you think that 4 people beating on your is fun and NOT life threating" - that's fear
@timabad Being concerned about 4 guys beating the crap out of you is a justified and logical position. You can call it fear all you want to. It doesn't make it true. You do seem to care if people have firearms. You make your argument based on assertions about people you don't even know. To suggest otherwise makes you intellectually dishonest.
If the reasons truly interested you, you wouldn't scoff at and make fun of sincere answers.
@evolutionist101 I don't mind if people have guns. I do think it's cheating though, that's all =) you made a great point in your last comment about weaker people benefiting from an equalizer. the guy in the video looks like he could handle himself without the gun.... how do you know when pulling the trigger is necessary?
@timabad PART 1--- I'm quite alright with cheating....as long as you're the innocent individual that was put in a situation you didn't ask for.
Being able to handle yourself in a physical altercation, is not a reason NOT to carry. This gentleman may very well be able to handle 98% of physical alt. that come his way, but what if he'd rather skip fighting altogether? Is that choice less manly? They're may be different levels of danger.....
@timabad PART 2---in which an individual my decide when pulling a trigger is necessary. Knowing the law is absolute key here. Gun Owners are bound by it. That's why I support the Castle Doctrine. A person who has a legal right to be somewhere is NOT under any obligation to retreat. I hope all States adopt this.
For me personally, an individual will likely have to be armed and/or charging me, to pull the trigger. OR there could be multiple persons with the threat of violence....
@timabad PART 3----with no options for me to retreat. There could be a multitude of reasons that may dictate the situation. What if I had my 2 youngest boys with me, ages 5 and 3? What if a single person wanted to get violent with me? What if i'm VERY confident I could knock his ass out? Do I "act like a man" and face-off with him? Why should I? Where are my children at this point? Will they run away scared? Should I let my children run through a dangerous parking lot? Scenarios change.
@evolutionist101 I see. you have more to lose than me. I can see when I have children that I could have a different thinking on safety. what do you do if you had your gun, and someone else flashes their gun at you?
@timabad flashing a gun and pointing a gun are two different things....be specific. If they have the balls to point it at you when they KNOW you have one....nothing will stop them if you don't....at least I was prepared. At least I wasn't an "unarmed" victim if things went bad. At least I had a chance......you....dead
@frank44145 okay you think about this. Robbery. You draw a gun on the bad guy. The clerk has already hit the panic button. Cops arrive. You're behind a shelf. Bad guy is behind another shelf. WTF do the cops do now? Shoot you both and ask questions later, that's what. Likewise this: you carry an open gun. SO DOES THE BAD GUY. Clerk waits on you. Clerk waits on bad guy too. Bad guy shoots clerk because clerk thought he had nothing to be afraid of. YOU are too late.
marksmith46 2 weeks ago
Such an asinine attempt at whining away the 2nd Amendment. It's the law. Get over it. If you don't wish to defend yourself DON'T...maybe you won't learn the hard way.
Your little creation here is a hypothetical liberal fiction that comes no where near reality. I see why you weren't replied to originally. This response is so absurd. You setup the situation and presume to know what's going to happen with two imaginary people and imaginary police.
Criminals DO NOT open carry.
007CTHULHU007 5 days ago
@marksmith46 Legal carriers have committed no crimes. They are not mental cases. They have had local, state, and Federal background checks.
A criminal does not open carry as I said. A criminal conceals his weapon until he strikes. What if your imaginary "open carry" criminal was walked up to by the police and asked for his Permit? What if this? What if that? What if shoved up your arse with a whiffle ball bat?
I'm tired of the WHAT IF'S of anti-gun imbeciles.
007CTHULHU007 5 days ago
@marksmith46 ...and I must point out the INVALIDITY of the liberal propaganda "what if's".
Like I said I hope you don't learn the hard way about Reality and become the victim of a violent crime. It would be better for you to seek LOGIC and Common Sense now than to risk such, but I doubt it.
Yes your post was 2 weeks old, but I couldn't resist pointing out the idiocy of the "What if" commentary you posted.
007CTHULHU007 5 days ago
They allow open carry in Pa. Now the problem is most of the cops in Philadelphia think this illegal. They confiscate guns all of the time.
talltom1973 3 weeks ago
So this woman hasn't made the association between the lower crime in her area and the ability to carry?!?!?
deadrepublicantv 1 month ago
Nick Clark is a big PUSSIE!!! Lookat the size of this guy. Hey Clark, chances are you won't be a victim.
marrob357 2 months ago
@marrob357 Seriously. Myself, I weigh like 150 lbs. I'd look ridiculous with a gun. This guy, I truly believe, carries a gun just because it makes him look like even more of a douchebag. OOPS! I meant "tough guy". lol
marksmith46 2 weeks ago
Liveing in fear is not liveing in a civil society the antigun group fear my guns they are the people preventing civility. I have nothing to fear I can defend myself and my loved ones if somthing happens.
ruger111dog 3 months ago
I don't agree that concealed carry should be prohibited. There are times and places where you should do either or.
PDigi2o3 4 months ago
@brassmonkey1971 You got that right!
TheDeJureTour 5 months ago
What are you teaching your children? well mam we are teaching them that we have a 2nd ammendment right to open carry for personall protection because the police are not there to protect you and generally show up after you've been mugged.We are teaching them to be responsible for themselves in a society that has many illegal weapons hidden from view and we are teaching them that good guys wear guns openly carried like cops do whereas bad guys don't.
2wheels88 7 months ago
@2wheels88 Great words. What sickens me is that pretty much all of the stores in my town put up the no gun sign. That really dampens my right to defend myself against the thug robbers. And since this area you have to drive to get anyway, the only time I can carry is while driving. It really sucks.
frank44145 2 months ago
@frank44145 Gee i wonder if robbers are going to respect those signs?
2wheels88 2 months ago
@2wheels88 That's the big problem. Legally I can not carry into a store to protect myself. Maybe all of the victims in the robberies should start suing the stores for failing to provide a safe store.
frank44145 2 months ago
WAVE thinks Wisconsin already has a low crime rate and there is no need to legalize gun carry. The problem with that is victims won't have any concern over numbers, stastistics or comparisons while in the process of being stabbed, robbed, or raped.
Police will only be there to write a nice report after the crime has happened.
They might even take some nice photographs.
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or Create a video response * I have walked into many bars in Wisconsin and never saw a problem :) normally the concealed carry and open carry gun geeks are in the corner talking about computers and the next new organic health drink lol.
gunitup234 7 months ago
WE WIN AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Scott Walker is signing it TODAY!!!!
Tux3d0 7 months ago
Law abiding citizens carrying for defense is the answer to criminals carrying for assault. It's not the perfect answer but as is so blatantly obvious we do not live in a perfect world. As for my children, what am I teaching them, that their life is precious and it is worth defending.
Kiddeth 7 months ago 4
you guys that are bashing this woman for what she says (even though what she says is incorrect) is one reason why people don't like concealed carry, they don't like the concept of guys with your attitudes carrying a gun, your all feeding the anti-gun flames when you all lash out like that...chill and be civil. :) Sheepdogs are gentle...they aren't hot heads, so lets all show them we are good people and conduct this argument without profanity, it makes all pro-gunners look bad when you use it. :)
GrenMoyo 8 months ago
That guy is a beast. He could whoop ass even without his gun. Still, even if he doesn't need it, it's his right to carry it.
That being said, I open carry too.
WTF1920 8 months ago 2
This dumb bitch needs to study the gun laws and crime rates in Switzerland. Gun control has never been about controlling guns, its always been about controlling people. What planet do these idiots come from?
dickinyobox 8 months ago
what this dumb Blond dont realize is not everybody is a kind and gentle sole there are people out there that will kill you for the shoes on your feet.hell there are people that will kill you for fun.this BLOND BIMBO has been sheltered way to long probable in a state or government job no doubt and it seems to me you are teaching your kids to be sheep.and to get every thing from the government they will protect you ha im not for open carry i do think it can provoke some and scare other sheepeople
O7ROADKING 8 months ago
What does that ulgy bitch know about public safety, she sits on her fat ass at a desk all day flipping through papers. The cops and the public defenders that are out on the streets, they are the ones that know the streets, and they are pro carry. She should shut her wrinkly ass up and look at the statistics, stupid fucken whore, god damn troll
jus1me9n8my6glock 9 months ago
Look at what happened to Australia after disarming its citizens. Violent crime, robberies, beatings, etc rose dramatically.
I open carry, and will continue to open carry until we get a constitutional carry in our state of WI. Then I will conceal.
We cant rely on the police to protect us all the time. Average response time of 5 minutes means the criminal will have a 4 minute head start on him. I AM the first line of defense for myself and family, or any other citizen whos life may be in peril
CONCRETE13 9 months ago
oh silly anti gun people-don't you know your time is near. soon you shall be utterly defeated, utterly disgraced & utterly despised. the courts hate you. the legislatures hate you. the president & all the governors hate you. the only thing you have accomplished is delivering house & senate seats to the republicans. such silly little fools. don't you know that you were used. your opponents wanted you to campaign for gun control because your campaigning does nothing but promote gun ownership :)
XQ55QX 9 months ago
@XQ55QX Well said
TheDiceAreLoaded 9 months ago
Why should the citizen pay for so called license to a constitutional right.
If the gov wants you licensed they the gov should pay for training. All except ammunition at the fire rang test.
It would be simple to have the state police fire arms instructor, review by two or three prosecutors and a state appellate judges to make sure it is right. Then put all info on DVD about the legal requirements. Make them available through the web, local police and county.
samten10a 9 months ago
Dude's a bad-ass!
ffairlane57 9 months ago
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This lady and other retarded people out there needs to understand the reason we want to carry conceal...is so that NO ONE KNOWS, you retards!!! Holy F!@# there's alot of idiots out there. Sorry for the foul language... If we have the law it'll make people think twice before doing something stupid like robbing someone.
MyBigDingaLing 9 months ago
This lady and other retarded people out there needs to understand the reason we want to carry conceal...is so that NO ONE KNOWS, you retards!!! Holy F!@# there's alot of idiots out there. Sorry for the foul language... If we have the law it'll make people think twice before doing something stupid like robbing or raping someone.
MyBigDingaLing 9 months ago
Tell Jeri to focus her energy to stop all the war instead of waging war on our constitution!
TiMMYSQUibbLES 9 months ago
Yea that bonavia thinks that because if you carry a gun it will give kids the impression we all dislike eachother. So NOW we wont carry guns, have no self defence, get jumped and die. BUt dont worry! the kids wont get the impression, and all we had to do was give up our self defence in order to "send a message to the kids"
Dumb bimbo.
JerFish12 10 months ago
The lady in this video asks "what are we teaching our kids about our society" does she know we have a military that our gov send our kids to fight for what ever reason. What is that teaching? Isnt that vilolence? We can go to other countrys and shoot people there and thats ok? I want to get all the people who are againt guns and have a debate, face to face on natinal television with no media editing, and educate them, and the rest of the US
KnuckleheadGraphics 10 months ago
That lady is straight up Reptilian. Look at those slit eyes go back and forth to round and slit.
xtelevisionset 11 months ago
@xtelevisionset she's one komodo dragon all right
pete5668 11 months ago
One thing you never hear gun opponents say is that it was illegal guns and criminals that did 90% of the killings.
outlawracer2229 11 months ago
I carry three at all times with a permit... Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away...
Khoutekkelly 11 months ago
On a side note. You think them gangs care what she, or the laws say?!?!
Tanarus20 11 months ago
0:50 THAT lady is a Retard. Yea...i'm going to attack someone carrying a gun. Give me a break! *Rolleyes*
Tanarus20 11 months ago
For the first time I like the press. The AssociatedPress. They gave last word to right person: responsible for own safety and safety of everyone around law abiding Citizen carrying firearm. Not concealed (which bastards prohibit) but openly carrying (one should realize: open carry has multiple disadvantages compared to concealed carry)
yuowatcher 11 months ago
God created people. Samuel Colt made them equal.
yuowatcher 11 months ago
as big as he is,he don't need a gun.
MrTabby5000 1 year ago
That guys arms aren't going to do him much good when someone shoots at him with another gun... I think he has every right to carry a gun. I do it too. If people don't like it, they're entitled to close their eyes. They DO NOT have a right to deny my rights on the basis of a false sense of "safety."
hogger129 1 year ago
Looks to me like this guy carries three guns; the one on his belt and his two arms!
On a more serious note, Jeri Bonavia needs to understand that in the real world, there are legitimate and credible threats that people may encounter that could potentially severely disable or end their lives. Should she ever encounter a situation like that, I hope her magical fairy dust works out for her. As for me, I'll trust myself with my lawfully concealed pistol.
InspctrClouseau 1 year ago
If I saw this guy walking down the street, I wouldn't bat an eye. He's clean cut, carries himself in a normal manner. If anything, I would think he was a plain clothes cop. If you don't like it you may want to take another look at the country you live in. It's legal, people are going to do it, and that's the way it is.
BrownLabRanch 1 year ago 10
The vast majority of American citizens strive to be hard working, law abiding people; just looking to enjoy the small things life has to offer. Then we have the polar opposite: Scum bags that live their life preying on innocent people in order to further a personal agenda. We live amongst murderers, rapists, drug dealers, terrorists (yes, terrorists) etc... And somehow "gun control" activists would like me to simply close my eyes and ignore the fact that most cities have 10X the ...
SteadfastCountryman 1 year ago
Amount of criminals then they do LEO’s patrolling the streets? Get real. If it were possible to holster an LEO on my hip, I WOULD, but this isn’t a fairy tale. A quick response by a team of EMT’s after a violent crime may help some sleep better at night, but personally, I’d rather not risk it. If I’ve got the option to choose between a .40 cal Springfield or and underpaid cop magically manifesting himself at the scene of a violent crime, guess what? I can draw my gun faster than I can dial 911.
SteadfastCountryman 1 year ago
One of Jeri Bonavias followers on W.A.V.Es facebook page said "
John Schneider: I would be tempted to taunt them until they draw the weapon, then shove it right up their ass. Probably best to avoid conflict though, hehehey.
October 15 at 2:20am"
I'd really like to see that guy try it with Nick Clark there.
And we're the violent and unstable ones...........
KhazadDhum 1 year ago
like im not legally allowed to own a gun, but at the same time its very possible i can go to LA right now and buy an ak 47 for maybe $500, though it may be a used product. ridiculing our 2nd amendment rights gives way for organized crime to circulate "used guns" in the black market. similar to money laundering. wise up
ThaigerDon 1 year ago
@ThaigerDon concur
masterofnotmuch 1 year ago
jeri bonavia is a moron. is she one of those parents that consults a book for every phase of her kids life? guns are scary, therefore we shouldnt have them. come back to reality bitch! because our gov is trying to suppress our right to open carry (which i think is retarded in its own right), people are making it a kind of counter culture. the same with weed. because regardless of whether you think they should or should not be legal, ITS BEING SOLD ANYWAYS! ever heard of the black market bitch?
ThaigerDon 1 year ago 2
Wow, that is a huge guy in the video, like having 2 bodyguards. But concealment seems preferred, you don't "freak out" people, and there is that great element of surprise. If a crime being committed, or about to be, a perceived nonchalant bystander could be packing a concealed weapon, unbeknownst to the attacker. By carrying open, you become the first target since you are the threat to the criminal. Better to blend in, then strike by surprise when the opportunity arises.
mokyan7 1 year ago 2
stupid bitch fuck you
czbaby12 1 year ago
What a dumb ass fucking bitch. She has no fucking brain. More guns equal more crime? Yea, ok. Check out California. Its extremely difficult to carry a gun on you in California and look at how high the crime rate is there. On the other hand, look at Texas. Just about everybody carrys a gun on themselves because the law is so lenient in that area. Look at how much lower the crime is in Texas compared to California. People just need to get educated
Vorash2002 1 year ago
She is dumb. She should go to Britain where the have no guns and crime is nearly 3 times higher than the U.S.
iTzGiNz 1 year ago
What I am about to say is intended to have NO political meaning, I'm not saying anything FOR or AGAINST open carry, but...
That guy with the gun, Nik Clark, does NOT look like he needs a gun to protect himself.
nukenate 1 year ago
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It's way too late.....states like NY, NJ and Mass don't have the 2nd ammendment right. If the goverment can do 3 states than thy'll find a way to do all 50 states. Americans are giving away their freedom with a smile, soon America will be a Police state where freedom is only a myth.
Redcaster916 1 year ago
Jeri, what a dummy.
xdjillusionx 1 year ago
Jeri Bonavia, you are mentally handicapped !
ferks60 1 year ago
More guns = more violence has always been a tactic used by the anti-gun crowd. And it's NEVER happened in any state that has passed laws allowing carrying of firearms concealed or openly.
hogger129 1 year ago
Why are police and retired police in Wisconsin allowed to carry concealed, but normal civilians can't? You can show it without permission, but you can't conceal it w/o permission. Why are police given special privileges that law-abiding citizens are not? That's bullshit if I've ever heard of it...
LMAO!!! Doesn't increase public safety or personal safety? Tell that to all the people whose lives have been saved by CCW. Fuck the anti-gun morons. It takes a life changing experience for them I gues
hogger129 1 year ago
bonavia has been paid off simple, and as for the guys comment about people provoking an incident because you carry well if your a meth addict maybe, escaped mental patient ok gangbanger well who cares if you get shot anyone i missed?
hesmydog 1 year ago
i think that chick is right we need to teach or children to bow down and take it like a bitch the last thing we need to do is teach them to defend themselfs just imagine if the colonists didnt have guns what a fuckin twat that bitch is
bobwatters 1 year ago
The firearm is the last thing I'd worry about if I picked a fight with that guy. He could kill you with his untrimmed fingernail...
MyLATim 1 year ago
Holy shit, that guy is a tank.
metalfaust19 1 year ago 2
This lady is off in la la land. Yes it would be a great world if nobody had guns and if people were all happy, peaceful and jolly. But this world isnt like that. The world is full fo scum. Scum that kidnaps, molest and kills kids. Scum that rapes woman. Scum that rob people. Scum thugs that will pick a fight with you and hurt you for no reason other than to show their tough. Innocent, law abiding citizens have ever right to be armed.
JohnnyBoyCali 1 year ago 2
Personally, I prefer to carry concealed. But people should be able to carry openly too if that's their thing. Seems like it's getting more popular these days.
gsszuber 1 year ago
I didn't think any carry was legal in Wisconsin. I guess that just Illinois as the only complete no carry state. I'd rather open carry. I think it's more comfortable.
zerk54 1 year ago
I carry, I will continue to carry until they take it from my lifeless corpse...my safety and ensuring my life isn't cut short is my responsibility, the police in my experience as a personal security officer are minutes or longer away when you need to react now.
wolfie83 1 year ago
"What are we showing our kids", I guess its okay to be a victim it's not okay to protect yourself. Just like she have the rights of freedom of speech and the right to voice her opinion, we have the rights to bear arms and protect ourselves. There are a lot more criminals than there are law abiding citizens.
tytyree19 1 year ago
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We need as many tools as we can get to fight the media's ignorant, misleading and misguided propaganda about firearms, brainwashing society basically.
glenbjack 1 year ago
i think he's also open carrying two other guns that are a result of that tight shirt.
stixs2005 1 year ago
Ms Bonavia is ignorant (deliberately unaware) of results from other states as well as research about the effect of lawfully-carried firearms on the crime rate. When concealed carry is allowed, crime drops. Criminals don't want to risk attacking someone who can fight back effectively. And if you check out other videos by Wisconsin Carry (here on YT) you'll see someone grocery shopping with absolutely NOBODY alarmed in the least.
truthnproof 1 year ago 26
@truthnproof Agreed 100%
bobsegar30 1 year ago
@truthnproof You are correct but have you ever talked to a liberal?They "think" rather than get the facts...emotion trumps everything.Michael Savage says liberalism is a mental disorder and he's right.I could have a more productive conversation with a fire hydrant on the sidewalk than with a lib.They are sick people and need help.Liberalism needs to be destroyed like cancer but keep a couple around...put them at the zoo...in a cage...poke them with sticks and such.
solocamlad 1 year ago
@truthnproof I'm Canadian, and that Bonavia bitch is full of it. I hope one day Canada joins the U.S.A. in concealed carry laws.
FrankieC63 10 months ago
@truthnproof Of course they have to go to an ignorant sheep like her to "balance" their story...no amount of facts will get her to open her eyes.These people hate guns...period. And then to go to that clueless black guy who never made it past third grade...this is what we're up against. Concealed carry will soon be the law of the land...long live Gov. Walker!
solocamlad 8 months ago
@truthnproof very ignorant and a fake. "More guns = more violence" Hah
She fails to say where she gets her data and in what context. She works for the government, that says it all right there.
I wonder if she is against all of the violent programming on tv and the movies.
frank44145 2 months ago
Jeri you are an idiot!! Get in the real life!
Dionysis62 1 year ago
I think it's great that this guy carries his gun openly everywhere. I disagree with the prohibition of concealed carry in Wisconsin. I wish I was brave enough to openly carry in Milwaukee. I read in the Wisconsin law that if you openly carry your gun, you risk being arrested for disturbing the peace. I don't know if that would actually happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did....
mkematter 1 year ago
The best way to reduce crime is to leave people defenseless.
Ramshobraja 1 year ago
Nik Clark = BEARMODE
thejmeister88 1 year ago
Jeri, ...heil Jeri, only the goverment is to be armed according to her...
232323C 1 year ago
the lady is on drugs in dream land.. People are not by nature good.. If they were, why do we need the cops, jails, courts and all that... The truth is plain to see.. And armed people is a much safer people.
TACMAN518 1 year ago
no one is going to provoke an incident with the guy in the red shirt. the lady in the interview would most likely be more comfortable with a UN Belgian soldier knocking on her door demanding ID then one of her neighbors open carrying a glock.
There are a large number of Americans who truely are sheep.
God Bless America.
freestate239 1 year ago
that fucking lady is a retard. everyone should be armed. we dont need police. we call them because they have guns. they wouldnt pull the shit they do if we all had guns.
DollyPartonFarts 1 year ago
bonavia needs to gtfo of my country and suck a fucking cock
EliteAmericans 1 year ago
Dude is HUUUGE! But that's cool tho
plzhelpj 1 year ago
A huge guy like that can usually deter trouble just by standing up, but Its nice to see someone his size who realizes that muscle wont stop bullets and that he could still be shot dead by an 11 yr old girl with a crappy 22 cal revolver and no training.
I don't open carry because I can carry concealed , but if I did OC, I would always dress like I was off duty police detective. It puts people at ease to see a professional looking individual OCing rather than some ratty crack addict looking guy.
Snipe4261 1 year ago
Jeri Bonavia that is the problem You are not teaching the kids nothing other then how to be a victim be it crime or self. Why not use all that energy and money to teach the kids gun safety and their rights as an Law abiding citizen of America? IMO
outcastink 1 year ago 26
come live in my neighborhood and tell me u dont need a gun.
johnvu692 1 year ago
I'm so glad I live in Florida, the concealed carry capital of America. Open-carry is illegal in Florida, which is good because cops and criminals don't know who's carrying and who's not.
n310ea 1 year ago
i wanna smack her in the head what about the gang banger with the guns.. ban rap not my guns
nhornar15 1 year ago
People will attempt to provoke a incident? Again, where are the incidents where people are being shot after provoking an open carrier.
IlovemyGlock21 1 year ago
"The best way to live amongst each other is armed?" Well....yea. Another way to put it would be "The best way to live amongst each other is that each person be responsible for their own defense from assault."
No data supports her claim. The man isn't trying to force her to carry, yet she is trying to force him not to carry. (FACE PLAM) Fucking anti-gun hippies!!
IlovemyGlock21 1 year ago
Criminals don't obey laws and will carry a concealed firearm to harm or kill their victims. Law abiding citizens with proper training should exercise their right to carry and protect themselves and loved ones. It is impossible to eradicate firearms, no matter how insane our laws become. Strict gun laws disarm law abiding citizens, prevent us from protecting ourselves, and give more power to criminals.
hlfqban 1 year ago
I'm fine with people carrying guns in public as long as they don't hesitate to use them on the police.
fywacia 1 year ago
@TriggerFinger338 I'm sure nobody's telling *you* that. They're just telling it to to actual *crazy* people that might start shooting up a place. Everybody knows that *you're* not dangerous. In fact, I'm sure that if you walked into my daughter's daycare with the gun on your him, I'd feel better about her safety.
timrob62 1 year ago
@OaGuardian I'm telling
timabad 1 year ago
@OaGuardian weak...
timabad 1 year ago
Wow take away guns from good people? People can still get guns illegally and those are going to be the people that want to hurt others. Um what makes it so much harder to smuggle guns then illegal drugs? And now we have no protection. Dumbasses.
bloodnsoup 1 year ago
i live in cali can i carry my gun in my car loaded? or with me but just hidden?im not going to shoot no one
evil9MMPEARLGRIP 1 year ago
then why carry a gun? to wave at someone and "intimidate" them? You should only carry a weapon that you plan on using if "heaven forbid" you need to. If you carry it for fun or a cool-factor the you are asking for real trouble
drpepper8442 1 year ago
little cock syndrome
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad is that what the other half of gun owners suffer from? ie. women?
stainless1911 1 year ago
@stainless1911 no cock syndrome
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad And that must be what the female gun owners are compensating for?
Difference between you and me in an armed robbery or home invasion is you will be the victim, and I will not
stainless1911 1 year ago
@stainless1911 that and about 50 IQ points...
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Solid argument! Can't be broken!! Dumbass.......
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 hahaha hit a sensitive spot ,huh?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Yeah....can't remember what you posted...just remember it was ignorant.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 and there you have it.
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad ahhh yes...the small penis argument....
If one doesn't have an argument....call people names...or make up shit.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 it appears to me that this guy needs to feel like a "tough guy"... even when he is going to the store and walking the dog haha. seems like a weak minded fellow... or simply making up for his manhood.
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Your perception is quite flawed. I carry a firearm because of my LOVE for my family. It is MY job to protect them to the best of my ability. It is MY job to return to them. Until you know what helplessness feels like (and I hope you never do) you will never understand. To judge someone for their reasons to carry is childish and displays you have no argument. On top of that, it is a Constitutional Right...your "feelings" on the matter...is moot.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 wow, you sound scared.
what kind of city do live in?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad The same kind of city where the Luby's massacre took place. The same kind of city where random violence takes place. Our "smaller, peaceful town" just found a man in a burned car, with a bullet hole in his head. I also have a fire extinguisher and a smoke alarm, in my home. Am I afraid of fire? Or do I wish to be prepared? I wear my seatbelt. Am I afraid of a crash? Or do I wish to be prepared? Do you have/do any of the above? If so..why are you scared?
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@timabad Telling someone that they seem scared is also NOT an argument. I've been over this. If you'd like to have a real discussion on the subject...feel free. Otherwise, go troll someone else. Ask another troll question and it will demonstrate you have no intellectual position and that you have no argument. It demonstrates you have an ignorant position. It is you that seems to have fear. Fear of law-abiding citizens exercising a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Good day to you.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 so... what are you so scared of
HAHAHAHAHA
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad I don't understand the premise of your assertion. Please explain.....
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 do you live in the middle east? You shouldn't feel so unsafe. you should move if things are that bad. do cause a lot of trouble? If things really are as bad for you as someone in, say, darfur, wow, I can see why you would need a gun to feel safe...
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad I see you don't read the news. Rapes, murders and a multitude of violent crimes occur everyday. Many of those people are FIRST TIME victims. What is wrong with simply having options? I feel safe with or without a firearm. I feel safe without a fire extinguisher, but I still own one. Do you wear your seatbelt? If so..are you scared without it? Please address this question. Have you ever been in a situation in which you were helpless to a violent criminal? Answer please.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 sure, I will gladly NOT avoid your questions =)
I read the news. nothing is wrong with options, though going to extremes is a sign of malfunction. I wear a seatbelt. =) I am not scared without it, I put it on so I won't get a ticket most of the time. I have not been/felt helpless to a violent crime or anything else. I know how to defend myself, and I'm intelligent.
so, what scary war torn city do you live in?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Thanks for answering. Your mental block (not an insult) starts with an irrational fear of an inanimate object. It is NOT extreme to carry a firearm. This where we split with logic and reason. With your logic, all Cops must be extreme. A firearm is a tool. Just like a seatbelt, fire extinguisher, life insurance, home insurance. All tools/options. If you think my examples are silly, you're partly right. Replace the word "firearm" with those other "options". and it sounds silly to me, too.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 are you a cop?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad No. I am not a Cop, but is a Cops life worth more than mine? Are going to suggest that it is his a part of his job? Many anti-gunners will say that guns will escalate the situation. If that is true, shouldn't Cops then go unarmed?
evolutionist101 1 year ago 8
@evolutionist101 I'm not trying to set logic traps... I was just curious.
do you feel more secure or confident with a gun?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Interesting question. At the age of 21, I purchased my carry permit. I didn't carry for over 13 years. I've only carried the last 3 years. I never felt afraid or worried when I didn't carry. Do I feel "more secure" or "more confident"? Yes and no. Only in the sense, if danger approached. As for my ability to just be in public, I've never been a timid nor shy individual. I feel the same "confidence" with a seatbelt on and a fire extinguisher in my house. I simply feel prepared.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 what kind of danger?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad The same POTENTIAL danger I face with having a car wreck or with my house burning down. Have you not drawn the lines connecting the examples I've been making, over and over again? It is simply being prepared with OPTIONS in case a situation arises. I drive everyday without having an accident, yet I still wear my seatbelt. I live everyday in a house with a fire extinguisher, yet I've never had a house burn down. Are actions then considered irrational?
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 what kind of danger are you thinking will potentially come your way at any moment?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Robbery, carjacking, an attempted rape of my wife, assault, a mad man going on a rampage. ANY violent crime you can think of. Simply being at the wrong place at the right time.
Is your next question going to be the likely-hood of this happening? My answer will be pretty close to this...I'd rather HAVE a firearm and not need it, than NEED firearm and not have it. What is the likely-hood of my house burning down? Should I just not carry insurance and remove my smoke detector?
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 do you think deadly force is needed for every instance of these situations, or just a knowledge of how to control them?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Simply displaying a firearm is not deadly force. The only time deadly force is applied is when the trigger is pulled. I have twice stopped a potential violent crime by letting 4 drunk frat boys know I was armed. They didn't feel the need to pummel me after that. And another time was when an alcohol/drug crazed driver at 3am acted as though they wanted to ram me for no reason at all. Two crimes stopped. No police activity needed. No deadly force necessary. Knowledge is key.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 I guess it's a good thing you had it... if that's what you think you needed to feel safe...
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad I prevented 2 violent crimes. Anti-gunners would rather violence had taken place. A firearm is a tool. Only as good as the individual behind it. Permit carriers are the most law-abiding segment of society and is only responsible for less than 1% of ALL violent crime. You stand a more likely chance of being struck by lightning, than shot by a permit carrier. I've represented my view logically. If you don't wish to carry, that's your choice. Just don't get in the way of my rights.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 it's good you have it all the time then. what would you do without it? it is good that you keep it available as a necessary tool for your own feeling of well-being.
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Your sarcasm is unjustified. I've used reason and logic to explain my position. Yet you've never answered ANY of my questions. Do you have home insurance? Why? Do you wear your seatbelt? If so, could you go on without it? You seem to have a mental block to accept logical positions. You should find a friend who owns a gun. Ask them to take you to the range. Target shooting competition is fun. Try it one day, instead of tossing insults to carry your irrational position.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 I've just been asking you questions. I have no dog in this fight. I've answered your seatbelt question. I answered all your questions. I really would like to know though, what you would do without a gun? why where you afraid of the frat boys? do you not know how to protect yourself, or did you think they might have their own gun? No sarcasm, I do think its good for you to hold your gun next to you, if that's what make you feel brave. My nephew used to hold his blanket
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Tell you what...you take on 4 200lbs guys.
Don't "need" it to feel brave.....already been through that.
Have a good day troll.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 black eyes are fun every once in a while. nice chatting with you too. =) good luck out there.
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad If you think that 4 people beating on your is fun and NOT life threating,,,you're crazy. Some people enjoy violence. You seem to be one of those. I prefer to avoid it/prevent it. And somehow, you think I'm the twisted one......Good luck with your violence.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 I defend myself if I have to. You seem to be a "the glass is half empty" kind of guy. I don't immediately count myself out.
I don't imagine the 4 people beating on me. I too do my best to avoid violence. I can't see myself carrying a gun around, and be afraid of frat boys and drunk people my whole life.
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad You lack the mental capacity to grasp the reality of this world we live in. I've already told you. I'm NOT afraid. I've explained that already. It's not about FEAR. It's about having OPTIONS. Answer this: Do you own a fire extinguisher? Are people who own one afraid there house will burn down? Do you wear a seatbelt out of fear? Anyone with a measurable IQ, can grasp this. Everytime you suggest I carry out of fear, demonstrates you lack ANY intellectual capacity.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 me - "why where you afraid of the frat boys?" you - "Tell you what...you take on 4 200lbs guys"... I don't own a fire extinguisher. A person who keeps a fire extinguisher with them all day expecting a possible fire at any moment needs a psychiatrist. (even though your gun=extinguisher comparison is severely making light of the gun) I wear a seatbelt so that I won't get a ticket...remember?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad So a person that keeps their fire extinguisher with them (at home) all day, need a psychiarist? Gotcha.
I suppose a Cop needs one, too. Totally logical position you have. Just admit you live in fear while driving a car.
Making light of gun? You are making a mountain out of a mole hill with your mental block you have. A firearm is a tool. You can't grasp that. You don't have the mental capacity. You have yet to make an argument. Do you have one? Doesn't look like it.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@timabad So a person that keeps their fire extinguisher with them (at home) all day, need a psychiatrist? Gotcha.
I suppose a Cop needs one, too. Totally logical position you have. Just admit you live in fear while driving a car.
Making light of gun? You are making a mountain out of a mole hill with your mental block you have. A firearm is a tool. You can't grasp that. You don't have the mental capacity. You have yet to make an argument. Do you have one? Doesn't look like it.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 a fire extinguisher strapped to them...
I'm a good driver. My family's first car had no seat belts.
you don't just flash a fire extinguisher at a fire. do you know how to protect yourself without a gun?
timabad 1 year ago
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@timabad "do you know how to protect yourself without a gun?"
Yes. Do your female loved ones know how? Are you going to teach them the Austin Powers "Judo Chop!" You seem to think there is no difference in fighting 1 man, or fighting 4 men. Should a 90lb woman be able to carry? How about elderly people? Are you going to tell a 70 yo to learn to be a real man and learn Brazilian Ju-jit-su? Are you saying you can pretty much beat everyone?
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 If the lady or the elderly had guns they wouldn't be so scared.
There are better ways of fighting 4 people, but nothings 100%.
I can not beat the majority of the people, but it's ok.
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Up until now, you have simply make emotional assertions about people you don't even know. If you have an argument....let's hear it. If all you have is..."I don't like it!" "They have a small penis!" "They must be scared!" It demonstrates a severely deficient IQ. I'll listen to an argument...otherwise...I'm done here.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
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@evolutionist101 I've told you I don't have a stance when it comes to gun control. "I have no dog in this fight." I don't care that people have them. The reasons they have them interest me. I've been asking you questions to get some background. you've misquoted me three times, but put the text in quotes as if I wrote those exact words... on the other hand;
"Tell you what...you take on 4 200lbs guys" and "If you think that 4 people beating on your is fun and NOT life threating" - that's fear
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Being concerned about 4 guys beating the crap out of you is a justified and logical position. You can call it fear all you want to. It doesn't make it true. You do seem to care if people have firearms. You make your argument based on assertions about people you don't even know. To suggest otherwise makes you intellectually dishonest.
If the reasons truly interested you, you wouldn't scoff at and make fun of sincere answers.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 I don't mind if people have guns. I do think it's cheating though, that's all =) you made a great point in your last comment about weaker people benefiting from an equalizer. the guy in the video looks like he could handle himself without the gun.... how do you know when pulling the trigger is necessary?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad PART 1--- I'm quite alright with cheating....as long as you're the innocent individual that was put in a situation you didn't ask for.
Being able to handle yourself in a physical altercation, is not a reason NOT to carry. This gentleman may very well be able to handle 98% of physical alt. that come his way, but what if he'd rather skip fighting altogether? Is that choice less manly? They're may be different levels of danger.....
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@timabad PART 2---in which an individual my decide when pulling a trigger is necessary. Knowing the law is absolute key here. Gun Owners are bound by it. That's why I support the Castle Doctrine. A person who has a legal right to be somewhere is NOT under any obligation to retreat. I hope all States adopt this.
For me personally, an individual will likely have to be armed and/or charging me, to pull the trigger. OR there could be multiple persons with the threat of violence....
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@timabad PART 3----with no options for me to retreat. There could be a multitude of reasons that may dictate the situation. What if I had my 2 youngest boys with me, ages 5 and 3? What if a single person wanted to get violent with me? What if i'm VERY confident I could knock his ass out? Do I "act like a man" and face-off with him? Why should I? Where are my children at this point? Will they run away scared? Should I let my children run through a dangerous parking lot? Scenarios change.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 I see. you have more to lose than me. I can see when I have children that I could have a different thinking on safety. what do you do if you had your gun, and someone else flashes their gun at you?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad flashing a gun and pointing a gun are two different things....be specific. If they have the balls to point it at you when they KNOW you have one....nothing will stop them if you don't....at least I was prepared. At least I wasn't an "unarmed" victim if things went bad. At least I had a chance......you....dead
charlitunaman2002 1 year ago
@charlitunaman2002 I wrote flashing. I meant flashing.
In your pointing example, you would be able to grab your gun in time?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad Easily
charlitunaman2002 1 year ago
@charlitunaman2002 ?
timabad 1 year ago
@timabad ??
charlitunaman2002 1 year ago
@timabad My first impulse would be to see if there is a way out. Then act accordingly.