Iran never threaten USA. USA is just Israel's bitch. Israel can't defend there own land against Muslims, so they send American military to take more land and enforce Israel laws, cause they all are pussies and like to make it seem that Iran is our enemy to create war in there benefit, but Israel can't go to war alone because there cowards. I say let them fight there own war, America first!
Israil aka Zionist jews and crusaders win 999 times out of 1000 times or may be million times but if Arab only 1 time then it will be all over for IsraHell
@leegeorgeson Exactly, religion is almost the entire cause of this conflict. Judaism and Islam are both supremacist religions with absolutely no respect for the non believer.
If Palestinians are SO poor, they should stop having so many children and overpopulating the planet and demanding AID. But NOO Allah wants us to, and we should hate the jews and put an internationally recognised anti-Semitic terrorist organisation in power.
Mortar Israel........Cry when they bulldoze your house.
@OASISriffs Well, they're actually poor because their land has been occupied, and they have been placed in an economic strangle hold for 44 years. As far as the rest of your "assessment" it seems that watching this single video is the extent of your knowledge of the Israel/Palestine Conflict.
@Puck2442 you'll have to to convince Hamas that Israel has the right to exist, then ask the palestinians to not mortar Israel. The point still stands that birth rates are too high for a country so poor (4 highest population density for a country with 1m+ population), you wouldn't be so sympathetic towards someone where you live who had 12 kids and bitched about being poor and living purely on welfare (The foreign AID in this analogy, of which 60 per cent + of Palestine are dependent on).
You begin your argument with the assumption that Israel DOES have a right to exist. Sorry I don't see it. That you can tell a Palestinian family that the land their family has lived on for centuries actually belongs to the European jew....sorry, I have a hard time buying that
Did the U.N. give it to you?
It was not the U.N.'s to give
If the person with 12 kids lived in a tent because I bulldozed their home and stole their farm land I wouldn't be so quick to call them whiners
@Puck2442 If you've got 12 kids then I'll always be quick to call you a whiner, Since you're denying a country's right to exist,what if I were to extrapolate that onto "Palestine" (this was the land of the Jews etc...). All I'm saying is If you want to deny someone the right to exist and mortar them for it, then don't be surprised they come over and do something about it.
You still haven't addressed my argument on the overpopulation/density of Palestine and the resultant foreign AID dependency.
So your big complaint is that, having driven a million Arabs into tent cities, they are failing to visit the local birth control clinics as often as they should?
You have economically strangled them to the point they couldn't afford birth control even if it were available.
I understand jewish women avoid the problem by only putting out for their husbands once a year so you may not understand that this is not normal but without access to birth control babies are going to happen.
@Puck2442 So lack of availability of Birth Control is why they have massive birth rates (implying the whole of Palestine consists of 'accident' people), Right. I hear Palestinians bitching about not enough food, water, fuel... for their children (oh think of the very many children) yet never about not having enough condoms/pills.all paid for by foreign AID. IF you happen to live in a "tent city" under horrrid conditions with 12 kids,keep it in your pants, rather than subject more kids to misery.
Claiming the land their family has farmed for centuries does not automatically belong to European jews is slightly different than "denying a country's right to exist"
Most Americans would do the same if Israel announced their right to exist included taking over New York and sent soldiers to drive them everyone off
You are NAZIs. But thank God the whole world is slowly but very surely becoming aware of it
@Puck2442 I highly doubt Israel is purely a country consisting of "European Jews", a significant proportion of them would have been "farming these lands for centuries". As for "one more generation and Israel is done" I bet we'll be more secular by then and the world will begin to realise Hamas for what is is (and they'll be done, which is probably more likely).
@OASISriffs The vast majority of Jews that live in Israel are European, with a smaller amount coming from other countries around the world. I don't think they should all be expelled or anything, but the creation of the state of Israel (especially in that location) was one of the worst mistakes in human history. And it certainly does not help that the government of Israel is controlled by ultra ethno-nationalistic,right wing religious extremists that believe that God gave them that land.
@ryan84160 European huh? So the Jews that were slaughtered throughout Europe and constantly told to "Go Back to Palestine", shoved into gas chambers and seen as "invaders", are now European? Genetically, my friend, even Ashkenazi Jews have more Semitic DNA then European DNA. Read "Y Chromosome EVidence for a Founder Effect in Ashkenazi Jews." Oh, and since you feel Israel was a mistake, I guess Lebanon, Syria, Jordan were also mistakes since they were created in the same way
@TheIDFman Most European Jews can trace their ancestry back to the middle east, I never disputed this. I meant that they are European in the sense that they have lived in Europe for many generation, belong to European culture,speak European languages and European genes.
I have no idea how they were created so I can't comment on that.I would even say the creation of my own country was a mistake and injustice. However, we don't demand that it be called a white christian state.
@ryan84160 Actually most European Jews were shunned from European society, many of them lived in "shtetls" (basically ghettos), apart from the main European population, they rarely intermarried (as evidenced by the purity of the J-1 haplogroup (levantine gene) in their genes as opposed to the R-M17 haplogroup (European gene). They also created their own languages derived from ancient Hebrew, such as Yiddish.
@TheIDFman Just because they were mistreated in Europe does not mean they weren't European.
They probably didn't intermarry too often, but a small percentage of inter marriage over many generations quickly adds up to a large percentage of genes.
Yiddish is not descended from Hebrew, Yiddish is a German language.
@ryan84160 Yiddish is a Germanic language that borrows many words and lexicon from Hebrew, half of my family speaks it so believe me when I say it is not strikingly different from Hebrew.
@ryan84160 Israel is a Jewish state only in the sense that it is a refuge where Jews will always be able to flee to, history has taught us that such a state is necessary. However, anyone can become a citizen of Israel. Israel has the highest tolerance of other religions, races, and creeds than any other state in the region. ZIonism is not a new idea, it goes back to the Jewish expulsion of 70AD, there have now been 3 autonomous Jewish state in that exact spot, why would Israel be anywhere else?
@TheIDFman Isreal can be a safe refuge for Jews with out being a "Jewish state". Why should Israel be called a Jewish state, when a significant portion of the population is not Jewish? That says that Jews are the first priority. Would it be ok if Canada suddenly declared itself to to be a English/Ango Saxon state when a significant portion of the population is French. Would it be ok if it was declared a white or Christian state when a significant portion of the population are native?
@ryan84160 Israel's population is Jewish. Jews are more than just a religion, they are an ethnic group, as well as a traditional "nation". Its been this way for thousands of years, yet they were always denied a state. A Jewish state simply means Jews are given priority in citizenship, after thousands of years of being chased and hunted around the world, I see no problem with having a sliver of land the size of NJ given Jewish citizenship priority. Thats not to say others can't become citizens.
@TheIDFman Why is such a state necessary today ? There are millions of Jews living in Canada(and many other countries) that are treated exactly the same as any other citizen and have never been in any type of danger.
If there is no ethno/nationalist/ religious component to zionism or the need for a Jewish state, why would it have to be where it is? Why couldn't and equally good option be a giant chunk of Canada or any other area ?
@ryan84160 People thought Jews were safe in Germany and Poland 100 years ago also, but things change, and Israel is there for that very reason. Antisemitism is alive and well and you can see it throughout Europe especially from many of the Muslim inhabitants. The Holocaust was the last straw and was preceded by thousands of years of what you call "tolerance" to Jews. During the Holocaust, Jews fleeing to the US were many times turned back and sent to their deaths.
@ryan84160 The Palestinians have their state, it is called Jordan and it has been stolen by a Hashemite minority, even as Palestinians make up a 75% majority. Look up Mudar Zahran, a Palestinian politician who has been chased away to Europe for preaching logical solution to the conflict, to quote him, "what Mr. Abbas is doing is evolving into saturday night live sponsored by the UN"
@ryan84160 Jordanians are Palestinians! 75% of the country is composed of Palestinians. Prior to 1940s, there was no such thing as Jordan. Jordan was considered Eastern Palestine, yet no one claims they are under occupation over there, why? because they're also Muslim. Israel is the only state in the world that allows Jewish refuge no matter what, however it still allows others to seek citizenship. If you don't know by now why there needs to be a Jewish state, you need to learn some history.
@ryan84160 Jordanians are Palestinians! 75% of the country is composed of Palestinians. Prior to 1940s, there was no such thing as Jordan. Jordan was considered Eastern Palestine, yet no one claims they are under occupation over there, why? because they're also Muslim. Israel is the only state in the world that allows Jewish refuge no matter what, however it still allows others to seek citizenship. If you don't know by now why there needs to be a Jewish state, you need to learn some history.
@ryan84160 Jordanians are Palestinians! 75% of the country is composed of Palestinians. Prior to 1940s, there was no such thing as Jordan. Jordan was considered Eastern Palestine, yet no one claims they are under occupation over there, why? because they're also Muslim. Israel is the only state in the world that allows Jewish refuge no matter what, however it still allows others to seek citizenship. If you don't know by now why there needs to be a Jewish state, you need to learn some history.
@ryan84160 Jordanians are Palestinians. 75% of the country is composed of Palestinians. Prior to 1940s, there was no such thing as Jordan. Jordan was considered Eastern Palestine, yet no one claims they are under occupation over there, why? because they're also Muslim. Israel is the only state in the world that allows Jewish refuge no matter what, however it still allows others to seek citizenship. If you don't know by now why there needs to be a Jewish state, you need to learn some history.
@ryan84160 You will also find that most Israelis, the vast majority actually, and the leaders are extremely secular. Israel was founded as a result of millennia of anti-semitism, not the belief that it is "promised by God". Historically, this is the land Jews immigrated throughout the world from, so to say that they do not belong in the levant or the Middle East for that matter, is deeply ignorant
@TheIDFman Then why was it so important for the state of Israel to be where it is? If during the time Jews were looking to create a state of their own and we offered a chunk of our giant country for the creation of a homeland, would this have been accepted ? I highly doubt it. Zionists are fairly particular as to where they want to live.
@TheIDFman That said, I really have no problem with Jews living in the Levant at all. My main problem is the treatment of the Palestinians, the occupation,the blockade, the right of return for refugees and calling Israel a "Jewish state".
@ryan84160 Okay, tell me this, occupation of what? Jordan ANNEXED the West Bank in 1948 and kept Jews out of Jerusalem, did anyone say it was occupation? Did anyone claim that there needs to be "Palestinian nationalism"? No! Palestinians will never have a right to return because the Jews that have been kicked out of Arab land for centuries, even before Israel, will never have a right to return or compensation for their land.
@TheIDFman This is a fucking ridiculous argument. Because the government of some Arab countries expelled Jews, you also have the right to expel Arabs? It is as if I said, " the Saudi government has tortured Canadian citizens in the past, therefore Canada has the right to torture Arabs". A Jew born in Toronto has an automatic, no questions asked right to live in Israel, but a Palestinian that was ACTUALLY born there doesn't have this right ?
@TheIDFman This is a fucking ridiculous argument. Because the government of some Arab countries expelled Jews, you also have the right to expel Arabs? It is as if I said, " the Saudi government has tortured Canadian citizens in the past, therefore Canada has the right to torture Arabs". A Jew born in Toronto has an automatic, no questions asked right to live in Israel, but a Palestinian that was ACTUALLY born there doesn't have this right ?
@TheIDFman Also, if there were Israeli Jews that wanted to return to their homes in Arab land or be compensated for any property that was confiscated, I am the first person to support this100%.
@ryan84160 Oh and there was no blockade 10 years ago, checkpoints, blockades, curfews, are not arbitrary actions, they are logical responses to decades of terrorism and attacks on civilians within the Israel.
@TheIDFman There are terrorists within the Palestinian territories, of course.I am EXTREMELY critical of Islamc terrorism and Islam in general, but you think the logical response to this is occupy, colonize,blockade, restrict the movement of the entire population?This is called collective punishment.
Is the use of white phosphorus on an urban population also a logical response?
@TheIDFman There are terrorists within the Palestinian territories, of course.I am EXTREMELY critical of Islamc terrorism and Islam in general, but you think the logical response to this is occupy, colonize,blockade, restrict the movement of the entire population?This is called collective punishment.
Is the use of white phosphorus on an urban population also a logical response?
@TheIDFman There are Palestinian terrorists, of course. I am extremely critical of Islamic terrorism even Islam in general, but you think the logical response is occupation,blockade, colonization restriction of movement and curfews of the entire population ? This is called collective punishment.
Is the use of white phosphorus in an urban setting also a "logical response"?
@ryan84160 Here we go with the white phosphorus dialogue:
1) Show me one death attributed to Israeli White Phosphorus
2) Show me how the use of white phosphorus as a smoke screen (as its been used by Israelis, US, Britain) is illegal
The Israel critics use white phosphorus as a buzzword to undermine any Israeli actions attempting to minimize casualties. They used the phosphorus as smokescreens so they can use ground troops rather than carpet bombing which critics criticize.
@ryan84160 Give me your plan in dealing with terrorists that not only hide among a civilian population but also is supported by them. The Gazans elected Hamas knowing full well the ideology they were dealing with and Israel is then blamed for dealing with Hamas as it should. Secondly, these "collective" punishments have become last resorts. Israel has tried everything in the book, are you aware of the thousands of liars, phone calls, and text messages Israel sends prior to every bombing/raid
what i believe is the truth ."The Zionists were by far the more powerful and better organized force, and by May 1948, when the state of Israel was formally established, about 300,000 Palestinians already had been expelled from their homes or had fled the fighting, and the Zionists controlled a region well beyond the area of the original Jewish state that had been proposed by the UN.
Cenk, during which years did the Turkish government forbid Kurds from speaking Kurdish? Also, you do realise this was in the case in government buildings where the language spoken was Turkish alone, as English was the only recognised language in America? And do remember, many languages were spoken in Turkey which they couldn't cater for.
@omegahunterx But Kurdistan as a nation doesn't exist. Are you intentionally being difficult? There is no Kurdish state, it's surely clear that is what he meant.
if there was a god, HE WOULD NOT TELL US IN THE OLD TESTAMENT TO RAPE LITTLE GIRLS, KILL THEIR PARENTS, AND TAKE THEIR LANDS.
THAT IS SOMETHING SATAN WOULD SAY. FROM THE FUCKING BIBLE. READ IT YOU STUPID "CHRISTIANS" STILL WAITING FOR THE DAY ONE OF YOU MORONS CAN JUSTIFY OR EXPLAIN RAPING LITTLE GIRLS AND TAKING THEIR LAND.
FROM NUMBERS 31:7-18
Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
What do you think about Turkey occupying kurds? There are 20 million kurds concentrated in the south-east, and Turkey doesn't give them independence (only 5 million Palestinians). Turkey has killed 30,000 Kurds since 1978, while Israel has killed just over 8000 Palestinians since 1967. Israel occupies 6000 km² of Palestinian land, whiled Turkey occupies 230,000 km² of Kurdish land. Turkey has the land from aggresive Ottoman campaigns, while Israel captured the land in self defence.
Turkey isn't "occupying kurds". get6 your facts straight you stupid fucking INBRED NAZI. nice stats. Did you get them from israeli propaganda nministry
Zionist lies are fucking UNBELIEVABLE. seriously, UNBELIEVABLE.
ps: if you hate turkey so much, then why is Turkey israel;'s best friend in the middle east? LOL
STUPID FUCKING IDIOT,. BIRDS OF A FEATHER, FLOCK TOGETHER.
@RabSimpsonDotCom By no stretch of the imagination could one say Israel invaded Palestine in 1948. The more accurate description is that surrounding states invaded Israel, there were skirmishes and fighting prior to the full attack but this attack was always coming. Israel repulsed it and hence survived in expanded yet still vulnerable borders. All Jews in Jordanian and Egyptian occupied land were gone and Jews were denied access to Jewish holy sites which were allowed to rot.
@RabSimpsonDotCom You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation. in 1948 there was a partition between the people who already lived there, one 'Jewish' state and the rest to top up Jordan which had been granted the majority of the Mandate in 1926 I believe. This had been done as Jews were barred from emigrating East of the Jordan river, the plan was to use the rest to accommodate the 'stateless' jews who were coming to this stateless area despite anyone's efforts to stop them.
@Saddamuel Now listen carefully because I'm not assuming you're a bad person or that you necessarily will become pro-Israel even if you have a more accurate idea of the history. There was no Palestine prior to 1948, there were Jews and Arabs living there but there had been no independent state in the region for a very long time. So neither Israel nor Palestine existed and Palestine continued not to because Jordan and Egypt occupied the territory that had been allocated to her.
@Saddamuel It seems that you're saying 300,000 Zionists came to the area in 1948 and attacked a country called Palestine. Nothing could be further from the truth. Zionists came to the area in peace since the late 19th Century. They lived there in peace, bought land, built cities and homes and made the region wealthier. With this development the non Jewish population also boomed. The Zionists petitioned patiently and peacefully for a small state where Jews could always know they would be safe.
@Saddamuel The Zionist plan was never to subjugate or remove the rights of the Arab population, their hope was that a small Jewish state would bring benefits to them and be accepted with the rights of any non Jews within this new Israel totally respected. The idea was about having one place in the world where Jews would always be welcome and where they wouldn't face discrimination, at least not for being Jewish! I just can't understand people who find this concept so hateful... anyway.
@Saddamuel "The Zionist plan was never to subjugate or remove the rights of the Arab population, their hope was that a small Jewish state" reality .Israel to this day has never stopped expanding .it refuses to state its boarders.the only country i know of who does not have defined boarders.i wonder why?
@Saddamuel I'm being very brief and inexact here but what happened was that after the vote on a partition of the Mandate was won at the UN, Arab states rejected it and an invasion was obvious. There were forces from Egypt in the region fighting in the 'civil war', for example Jews in Jerusalem were besieged etc... Anyway Arab States invaded as soon as the Mandate actually ended! Israel survived and armistice lines were drawn, these are what we call the 67 boundaries - did u know all this or...?
@Saddamuel There's no perfect comparison to this unique situation, but say Kurds living abroad started returning to Iraqi Kurdish with plans for an independent Kurdistan. Say the UN had a mandate over Iraq after the state collapsed due to civil war and the UN voted for an independent Kurdistan. But Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Yemen and Egypt invade on the basis that the majority of its citizens are 'foreigners'. All I'm looking for is a kernel of understanding from people like you...
@MUDSHARK111 Maybe back then? But do you think Jews wanted to sell their land? Feels like you're searching for reasons to criticize rather than trying to be fair.
According to UN242, Israeli withdrawal and final borders are to be agreed through negotiations. For Israel to unilaterally state their borders would make people like you angry! If they imposed fair land swaps would you be happy?
Am I to take it that you agree with everything else I've said given that you haven't commented?
@Saddamuel" Am I to take it that you agree with everything else I've said given that you haven't commented?" SADD i am not sure what you have said to me i have scrolled down to find you have commented to yourself .your going to have clear it up a bit foe me .
@MUDSHARK111 Fair enough. You replied to a long comment in a slightly flippant way (no offence but it felt like point scoring or finger pointing?). I was just wondering if you read what I wrote and thought about it or can see where I'm coming from? I'm always happy to have a calm conversation :) [I was being a bit simplistic and slightly biased in my phrasing but that was mostly due to space contraints!]. You started talking to me, was wondering if you had anything to say?
@Saddamuel "The Zionist plan was never to subjugate or remove the rights of the Arab population" before we move on to other points lets address this .no i do not believe the Zionist intended to subjugate the Arabs but i absolutely believe it was there intention to remove them from the area .with out calling on modern historians to back up this assertion .i ask.
@Saddamuel how could a Jewish state remain Jewish if the Arabs had remind within the Israeli UN boarders .even now the Arabs in Israel are reproducing at a grater rate than the Israeli jews and many have expressed concern that eventually Israel will be voted out of existence .removing Arabs removes there Rights.
@MUDSHARK111 The problem is that we can never really know what their intentions were because there was a civil war and on the day the Mandate ended there was a full scale war with the surrounding Arab states. For all intents and purposes they were fighting on the 'Palestinian side' and I'm sure a lot of the forced removals of Palestinians were due to the demands of war, not leaving the enemy at your rear etc. It's also possible that many were reprisals for Jews who had to flee. It's only because
@Saddamuel in an interview benny morris regraded as one of isteaukls leading authoritys on the suject was asked Ben-Gurion was a “transferist”?Of course. Ben-Gurion was a transferist. He understood that there could be no Jewish state with a large and hostile Arab minority in its midst. There would be no such state. It would not be able to exist.the expulsion was by design not a by product .
@MUDSHARK111 (cont) Israel won that more Palestinians were expelled. You could also ask, 'would Israel have won the war if they hadn't expelled the potential enemy?'
Then consider that if Israel had been accepted then she would have existed within the initial boundaries which contained few Palestinians.
Now Israel could have been viable because there was a huge backlog of Jewish immigration and in every other nation building there have been population transfers.
@Saddamuel" if Israel had been accepted then she would have existed within the initial boundaries which contained few Palestinians".Israel was never under any threat from the Palestinians .but Israel chose to cross there new boarders and invade Palestine expelling and murdering as they went even before the second and third rate Arab armies crossed into Palestine.the Arabs did not have an option . Israel forced there hand.
@MUDSHARK111 But from an Israeli point of view an invasion was inevitable anyway, the Arabs had made it clear. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? You sound fair enough to concede that Israel had good reason to anticipate the attack which did occur and that Arab states had designs on the entire mandate (to the detriment of Israelis and Palestinians tbh). Benny Morris says transfers were necessary because of a hostile Arab minority in it's midst, for me the emphasis is on 'hostile'...
@MUDSHARK111 Are you saying that if Israel hadn't acted and reacted to the siege of Jerusalem and the fighting then Arab armies wouldn't have invaded? Let's be fair here. My view is that in a war you are sometimes forced into certain actions necessary to your survival - necessary evils, and hopefully you choose the course which is 'least bad'. So I guess it comes down to whether you think Israel had a right to ensure its existence or not... Anyway again gtg - sorry if this isn't clear/coherent!
@MUDSHARK111 In short, it's disingenuous to say the Arab invasion was the mere result of the Civil war in 1947-48 and that before it Arab leadership was happy to allow Israel to come into existence. That is an Arab 'creation myth' as much as the once Israeli myth that Palestinians mostly fled under orders from their own leaders. You act as if Israel went around murdering peaceful Palestinians for no reason and then Arab armies tried to come to their rescue - do you really believe this?
@Saddamuel cont....... Now it's then that Israel was attacked by its neighbors - in May 1948; it's then, after the Zionists had taken control of this much larger part of the region and hundreds of thousands of civilians had been forced out, not before." Chomsky l has better command of English than i do lol.
@MUDSHARK111 It's confusing: one minute I hear it argued that the Arabs may have had the will but didn't have the ability, and the next I hear that they had the ability but not the will (proving their 'peaceful' and defensive intentions). I'd argue that the 'they didn't have the ability' idea is a luxury of hindsight and that 'they didn't have the will' is not something Israel could just sit back and hope to be true (in contradiction to the rhetoric etc...). Can you at least see this?
@Saddamuel do i believe the Arab armies rushed in to defend there brothers? no i believe the other Arab nations had there own agenda, and no expectation or realistic ability to eradicate Israel . the British where very much aware there was no army or army's capable of challenging Israel, and more importantly Israel was aware of this to . .
@MUDSHARK111 A quick internet search of the map on 15th May shows no significant change from the partition plan, what is Chomsky on about? The corridor forged to Jerusalem in order to alleviate the siege on the Jews there? Or is it be the small Arab enclave in Jaffa which reduced Israel's width to 5miles? From what 'you've' said it's as if they were already at the 1949 armistice lines, which btw were still dangerously 'undefendable'. You act as if Israel was already a military power! wow...
@MUDSHARK111 Maybe my map from a Pro-palestinian website is incorrect?
So, since the Arabs had no 'realistic ability to eradicate Israel', this can't have been their goal. Israel should just sit back and hope to be allowed their 10km wide strip in the wake of an invasion? Can you at least see the Israeli fears? Fact is that there was an invasion and Israel was of one mind and fighting for its existence, I imagine that is one reason why their strength and resolve grew whilst the Arabs' wained...
from what i've read the problem is that palestine has been invaded and is under occupation from a force calling itself israel. israel may have been the name of the area in the past but that doesn't give people the right to forcibly remove people from their homes just because they're not jewish.
israel are commiting the same crimes against palestine that nazi germany commited against the jews and other people they didn't like.
people who are pro-israel seem to think it's abhorrent that palestinian people are fighting back against their jewish oppressors. i would like to ask them how they would react to being forcibly removed from their homes.
if you come back and tell me that the country is RIGHTFULLY jewish, i will call you a fucking cunt and tell you that you're COMPLETELY full of shit.
we all live on this planet, and we're fighting over fucking dirt.
The zionist NAZI, doesn't believe the palestinian should fight for freedom BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE PALESTINIANS DESERVE FREEDOM.
iF you read the bible, the old testament, you will know that he jews came from BABYLOHN. they tried to war against EVERY TRIBE they encountered. they won a few at the beggining, then the babylonians destroyed and enslaved them.
zionists simply believe that GOD GAVE THEM LAND. which to me is, INSANE.
abraham was born in babylon. "god" told him to go west, and then he said this in exodus 23:23
any MORON or JUDO NAZI who thinks i' lying, can please pick up a bible and FUCK YOURSELF WITH IT. My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23
@Democraticarabiya474 For real. How can an allegedly declared independent (but illegitimate) state (israel) be sooooo dependent on us (the US). Parasites are anthing but independent.
Looks like rocksparadox finally accepted that ass whoopin'.
@Saddamuel The phrase Sharon used was 'wither on the vine.'. I take it you approve of less than extreme humanitarian crisis, rather than letting these refugees return to their rightful and ancient homelands.
@gamesbok I disapprove of your duplicity or perhaps merely your ignorance. There is a long history of population transfers in border disputes and Israel/Palestine is no different except that one side decided to treat those displaced in war as refugees in perpetuity or at least until Israel was defeated, whilst Israel took in and forgot the property and land claims of the near 1m displaced Jews.
Like many, you seem more interested in hashing up the past than in forging a better future...
@gamesbok (2) Now - I may take a dim view of a blockade whose aims are to weaken an armed enemy directly and through civilian hardship. My view's not so dim that I consider it the major issue, I'm clear headed enough to see that it is an excuse to point to this or to foolish settlements as 'obstacles' to peace. If we were to measure the effects of this blockade it would rank low on the scale of 'crimes' - would you rather Israel engaged in a land war against Hamas in response to rocket attacks?
@Saddamuel "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
You don't seem to understand who we are dealing with.
@gamesbok You may want to check the source of that quote! As far as I can see, not only have you mis-attributed it but even the so called correct attribution (to the Koanig report) is a fabrication! I don't resort to quotes unless I am certain of their provenance and even then I find that quotations don't an argument make.
You don't seem to understand who you are buying this nonsense from - perhaps this will teach you to question yourself in future, though unfortunately not.
(3) The truth is that were there the will, Palestinians could lobby for peace on the basis of previous offers and ignore all the excuses their leaders constantly find for not talking or compromising and instead they could be bold. Israel doesn't have the will to ram peace down the throat of a people who don't seem to want it, and although they probably could it is not incumbent on them to do so. My point - before the blockades, before the settlement, was there a big Palestinian peace movement?
@gamesbok According to you Israel is the main source of injustice in the Middle East? What surprises me is that those who complain of the airbrushing of history are willing to do it themselves. How could Israel settle the Palestinian issue when for 40 years she faced existential or serious threats from her neighbours? She had larger concerns than convincing Palestinans to coexist and accept a just solution whilst the latter were firmly set on a 'just' solution that involved the end of Israel!
@gamesbok If the Palestinians want justice then they need merely have fought on this basis rather than the goal of destroying Israel and once this failed demand that all displaced Palestinians should return to Israel (and live as foreigners?) rather than live in their own state. Then it is the settlements that are the problem! And if not the settlements, the brutal way in which their brutal attacks are countered... excuses can always be found.
@verchow1 Rabin talked to Arafat, and they murdered him for it. Israel's attack in 1967 is taught in military staff colleges around the world. The land they won had been planned from 1947, and if you think that's a coincidence I'm going to stop talking to you.
@serioushamster I disagree, I think religion is what both sides use to justify themselves to the media and their supporters. Israelis feed jewish fanaticism when they continue to talk about 'land given to us by god'. The truth is is that Zionism was always a SECULAR movement.
Hamas rally support from palestinians by stirring up religious emotion similarly, but the fact remains that the palestinian resistance has ALSO never been about religion - Arabs can be jewish, christian or muslim.
@aswad877 you are wrong about Zionism being a secular movement,its underline principle was and has always been to found a Jewish homeland in the land of Palestine.
@serioushamster No, you are wrong. The first world Zionist Congress in 1897 elected Theodor Herzl as its president, who although was concerned with The jewish identity;
"He saw the future [jewish] state as a model social state, basing his ideas on the European model of the time, of a modern enlightened society. It would be neutral and peace-seeking, and of a secular nature."
@aswad877 actually it was but it was only suppose to cover 2% of Palestine's landmass but then flood of illegal Jewish immigration coupled with the activities of Jewish terrorist organisations like Irgun along with those 2 wars changed all that.
@aswad877 You're right. Imagine the Jews were a Muslim tribe that was expelled from the area over 1000 years ago. I'm sure the opposition to their return and desire for a small slither of land as a state would have been opposed just as forcefully and intransigently. The hatred for the Islamic Republic of Israel's amongst her neighbours would have been just as strong and every minutiae of the conflict would be front page news just like Kurdistan's struggle for freedom is a huge world story ;)
@rocksparadox 'fanatical muslim', Ha! Shows how much you know, I'm white! Come to America you pussy mother fucker and have any of our Homies (Skins, Blacks, Mexicans, Asians) not only FUCK YOU UP but most likely KILL YOU! Pussy ass jewish sympathizer!
@rocksparadox Virgin? Haha. Yeah, born again virgin. I've actually fucked a jewish chick, have been hit on by an israeli chick that worked in the mall i used to work at, so your broken english insults just smacked your kike ass right back in the face you fuckin' lame.
@rocksparadox Wait, are you debbie schlussel? Nah, she's American and has pretty good english. So you're from Europe. Did you know that israel has all major European countrie's capitals targeted with nuclear weapons?
I empathize with anybody who is being systematically oppressed and villified for no reason such as the Palestinians are. If you believe the holocaust narrative and the treatment of jews no matter the amount of lives lost was bad, the you should feel the same way for the Palestinans
@rocksparadox If not more for the Palestinians, because they get it 10 times as worse, it's happening to them in this day and age not almost a 100 years ago and the Palestinians are actually close to near extinction, whereas to be honest the jews never were. So if you can't feel where I'm comming from you're not only a hypocrite, but a naive fool and possible threat to your own people for not being acutely aware of the great threat these maniacs are to the entire world (including good jews).
@rocksparadox As for trying to pin a "neonazi or a frustrated arab" label on me, neither will work. It's a damn shame when the peoples of this planet so desperately look to someone's character or nationality to attack when arguing things as critical as these. Instead of mustering up an ounce of intellect to actually debate the issue, but then again I guess that's what one does when they have no argument is resort to childish name calling. Humans used to be smart. God bless their ignoranceIguess
@KpopManiacSFL Then why don't any of it's so called neighbors recognize its existence or its right to exist, but still recognize Palestine once the land of Canaan? :P
What he describes as the 'Palestinian view' of Israel's origins is not only Palestinian. It is also my view and that of many people I know. I do not believe in the Torah or King David either, in the sense that they are no more and no less sacred to me than is the Acropolis. I am Acadian. Do I have the right to ask the United Nations to give me back the land of my ancestors? At least in my case, I could probably located the exact parcel of land they farmed before being exiled.
@benwaddington seriously man, wtf are you talking about? its hilarious to see the words nazi and zionist juxtaposed. A true sign of a man with rhetoric but no substance. Nazi refers to a political party that conquered the world, collected jews and executed them systematically. WHERE IS THE CONNECTION? Zionism is a philosophical idea, no longer necessary btw, that the jews need to have a place of their own. nothing to do with arabs, who all pretty much agree should have their own state.
@jimmylewis9871 I'm sorry Jimmy, but what I saw in Israel was Zionists creatinf lebensarum for the herrenvolk at the expense of the untermensch. If you can tell me what's not Nazi about this I'm all ears.
@MrCRM114 i agree, blowing up up kids, launching rockets, beheading your own people,and torturing prisoners,brainwashing their children to hate israel to commit martyrdom etc. is justifiable
my claim is as accurate as yours is. how does it feel to be on the receiving side of retarded remarks? go look up the word terrorist and then you will realize that is impossible. then go to gaza and get perspective. better yet, go to Ramallah as well, to see the contrast.
@benwaddington Oh btw, about 'Count Bernadotte' it's true that Israeli extremists assasinated him. What you left out is, the Arabs rejected Bernadotte's plan. I love the way you idiots try to paint an extremist faction within Israel as the whole of 'Israel,' but, when Hamas fires 10,000 missiles, and is the actual GOVERNMENT of Gaza, it's perfectly fine. Lol@ a supposed suicide bomber being responsible for Arab hatred of Jews. Man you are DUMB.
@Asymmatrix first off you dumb zionist, the message was not to you:
do not feel bad about him calling you an anti-semite. He calls his mom that when they disagree. Typical zionist bs. Disagree with any israeli policy: You are an anti-semite, nazi and probably a terrorists. Let him spew his 3 insults.
LOL and there you go you called me a nazi! See my point?
@Asymmatrix you replied to a comment not adressed to you: do not feel bad about him calling you an anti-semite. He calls his mom that when they disagree. Typical zionist bs. Disagree with any israeli policy: You are an anti-semite, nazi and probably a terrorists. Let him spew his 3 insults.
you are so thick you actually did exactly what i mentioned... use one of your 3 insults. You zionists are pathetic.
10000 missiles LMAO how many israeli dead? lol quit the bs ashkenazi fuck
@slickrickdarula Haha it's so easy with ansisemitic tools like you. It's a fact, not an insult. Tell us about the childhood trauma which has rendered you so sick that you are inclined to demonize an asylum for Holocaust survivors, rather than the sane opposite.
But Jews do believe in Allah... It's simply the Arabic word for God..
DenizenOD 1 week ago
Stinking Jew
vantagesuck 1 month ago
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Iran never threaten USA. USA is just Israel's bitch. Israel can't defend there own land against Muslims, so they send American military to take more land and enforce Israel laws, cause they all are pussies and like to make it seem that Iran is our enemy to create war in there benefit, but Israel can't go to war alone because there cowards. I say let them fight there own war, America first!
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xMrShaDoW2k10 6 months ago
Israil aka Zionist jews and crusaders win 999 times out of 1000 times or may be million times but if Arab only 1 time then it will be all over for IsraHell
shazlionusa 8 months ago
Israel is doing what the Hebrews were doing in Ancient Times, fighting with all their neighbours and they will be driven out again.
Muslims are doing what they have been doing since Medieval times, raping women, stoning people, killing each other.
Religion is an abomination!
leegeorgeson 8 months ago
@leegeorgeson check your facts.
jooks223 8 months ago
@jooks223 I'm a historian, but I don't expect you to understand :)
leegeorgeson 8 months ago
@leegeorgeson Nicely put!
OASISriffs 8 months ago
@leegeorgeson Exactly, religion is almost the entire cause of this conflict. Judaism and Islam are both supremacist religions with absolutely no respect for the non believer.
ryan84160 5 months ago
this cant even be took as a joke!!
bonzaga21 8 months ago
If Palestinians are SO poor, they should stop having so many children and overpopulating the planet and demanding AID. But NOO Allah wants us to, and we should hate the jews and put an internationally recognised anti-Semitic terrorist organisation in power.
Mortar Israel........Cry when they bulldoze your house.
OASISriffs 11 months ago
@OASISriffs Well, they're actually poor because their land has been occupied, and they have been placed in an economic strangle hold for 44 years. As far as the rest of your "assessment" it seems that watching this single video is the extent of your knowledge of the Israel/Palestine Conflict.
senortonyful 11 months ago
@OASISriffs
OR..you could stop destroying their homes, ripping up their orchards etc etc.
Puck2442 8 months ago
@Puck2442 you'll have to to convince Hamas that Israel has the right to exist, then ask the palestinians to not mortar Israel. The point still stands that birth rates are too high for a country so poor (4 highest population density for a country with 1m+ population), you wouldn't be so sympathetic towards someone where you live who had 12 kids and bitched about being poor and living purely on welfare (The foreign AID in this analogy, of which 60 per cent + of Palestine are dependent on).
OASISriffs 8 months ago
@OASISriffs
You begin your argument with the assumption that Israel DOES have a right to exist. Sorry I don't see it. That you can tell a Palestinian family that the land their family has lived on for centuries actually belongs to the European jew....sorry, I have a hard time buying that
Did the U.N. give it to you?
It was not the U.N.'s to give
If the person with 12 kids lived in a tent because I bulldozed their home and stole their farm land I wouldn't be so quick to call them whiners
Puck2442 8 months ago
@Puck2442 If you've got 12 kids then I'll always be quick to call you a whiner, Since you're denying a country's right to exist,what if I were to extrapolate that onto "Palestine" (this was the land of the Jews etc...). All I'm saying is If you want to deny someone the right to exist and mortar them for it, then don't be surprised they come over and do something about it.
You still haven't addressed my argument on the overpopulation/density of Palestine and the resultant foreign AID dependency.
OASISriffs 8 months ago
@OASISriffs
So your big complaint is that, having driven a million Arabs into tent cities, they are failing to visit the local birth control clinics as often as they should?
You have economically strangled them to the point they couldn't afford birth control even if it were available.
I understand jewish women avoid the problem by only putting out for their husbands once a year so you may not understand that this is not normal but without access to birth control babies are going to happen.
Puck2442 8 months ago
@Puck2442 So lack of availability of Birth Control is why they have massive birth rates (implying the whole of Palestine consists of 'accident' people), Right. I hear Palestinians bitching about not enough food, water, fuel... for their children (oh think of the very many children) yet never about not having enough condoms/pills.all paid for by foreign AID. IF you happen to live in a "tent city" under horrrid conditions with 12 kids,keep it in your pants, rather than subject more kids to misery.
OASISriffs 8 months ago
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Claiming the land their family has farmed for centuries does not automatically belong to European jews is slightly different than "denying a country's right to exist"
Most Americans would do the same if Israel announced their right to exist included taking over New York and sent soldiers to drive them everyone off
You are NAZIs. But thank God the whole world is slowly but very surely becoming aware of it
One more generation though, and Israel is done
Puck2442 8 months ago
@Puck2442 I highly doubt Israel is purely a country consisting of "European Jews", a significant proportion of them would have been "farming these lands for centuries". As for "one more generation and Israel is done" I bet we'll be more secular by then and the world will begin to realise Hamas for what is is (and they'll be done, which is probably more likely).
OASISriffs 8 months ago
@OASISriffs The vast majority of Jews that live in Israel are European, with a smaller amount coming from other countries around the world. I don't think they should all be expelled or anything, but the creation of the state of Israel (especially in that location) was one of the worst mistakes in human history. And it certainly does not help that the government of Israel is controlled by ultra ethno-nationalistic,right wing religious extremists that believe that God gave them that land.
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160 European huh? So the Jews that were slaughtered throughout Europe and constantly told to "Go Back to Palestine", shoved into gas chambers and seen as "invaders", are now European? Genetically, my friend, even Ashkenazi Jews have more Semitic DNA then European DNA. Read "Y Chromosome EVidence for a Founder Effect in Ashkenazi Jews." Oh, and since you feel Israel was a mistake, I guess Lebanon, Syria, Jordan were also mistakes since they were created in the same way
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@TheIDFman Most European Jews can trace their ancestry back to the middle east, I never disputed this. I meant that they are European in the sense that they have lived in Europe for many generation, belong to European culture,speak European languages and European genes.
I have no idea how they were created so I can't comment on that.I would even say the creation of my own country was a mistake and injustice. However, we don't demand that it be called a white christian state.
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160 Actually most European Jews were shunned from European society, many of them lived in "shtetls" (basically ghettos), apart from the main European population, they rarely intermarried (as evidenced by the purity of the J-1 haplogroup (levantine gene) in their genes as opposed to the R-M17 haplogroup (European gene). They also created their own languages derived from ancient Hebrew, such as Yiddish.
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TheIDFman 5 months ago
@TheIDFman Just because they were mistreated in Europe does not mean they weren't European.
They probably didn't intermarry too often, but a small percentage of inter marriage over many generations quickly adds up to a large percentage of genes.
Yiddish is not descended from Hebrew, Yiddish is a German language.
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160 Yiddish is a Germanic language that borrows many words and lexicon from Hebrew, half of my family speaks it so believe me when I say it is not strikingly different from Hebrew.
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@ryan84160 Israel is a Jewish state only in the sense that it is a refuge where Jews will always be able to flee to, history has taught us that such a state is necessary. However, anyone can become a citizen of Israel. Israel has the highest tolerance of other religions, races, and creeds than any other state in the region. ZIonism is not a new idea, it goes back to the Jewish expulsion of 70AD, there have now been 3 autonomous Jewish state in that exact spot, why would Israel be anywhere else?
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@TheIDFman Isreal can be a safe refuge for Jews with out being a "Jewish state". Why should Israel be called a Jewish state, when a significant portion of the population is not Jewish? That says that Jews are the first priority. Would it be ok if Canada suddenly declared itself to to be a English/Ango Saxon state when a significant portion of the population is French. Would it be ok if it was declared a white or Christian state when a significant portion of the population are native?
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160 Israel's population is Jewish. Jews are more than just a religion, they are an ethnic group, as well as a traditional "nation". Its been this way for thousands of years, yet they were always denied a state. A Jewish state simply means Jews are given priority in citizenship, after thousands of years of being chased and hunted around the world, I see no problem with having a sliver of land the size of NJ given Jewish citizenship priority. Thats not to say others can't become citizens.
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@TheIDFman Why is such a state necessary today ? There are millions of Jews living in Canada(and many other countries) that are treated exactly the same as any other citizen and have never been in any type of danger.
If there is no ethno/nationalist/ religious component to zionism or the need for a Jewish state, why would it have to be where it is? Why couldn't and equally good option be a giant chunk of Canada or any other area ?
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160 People thought Jews were safe in Germany and Poland 100 years ago also, but things change, and Israel is there for that very reason. Antisemitism is alive and well and you can see it throughout Europe especially from many of the Muslim inhabitants. The Holocaust was the last straw and was preceded by thousands of years of what you call "tolerance" to Jews. During the Holocaust, Jews fleeing to the US were many times turned back and sent to their deaths.
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@ryan84160 The Palestinians have their state, it is called Jordan and it has been stolen by a Hashemite minority, even as Palestinians make up a 75% majority. Look up Mudar Zahran, a Palestinian politician who has been chased away to Europe for preaching logical solution to the conflict, to quote him, "what Mr. Abbas is doing is evolving into saturday night live sponsored by the UN"
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@TheIDFman What do you mean its called Jordan ? All Palestinians should move to Jordan ?
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160 Jordanians are Palestinians! 75% of the country is composed of Palestinians. Prior to 1940s, there was no such thing as Jordan. Jordan was considered Eastern Palestine, yet no one claims they are under occupation over there, why? because they're also Muslim. Israel is the only state in the world that allows Jewish refuge no matter what, however it still allows others to seek citizenship. If you don't know by now why there needs to be a Jewish state, you need to learn some history.
TheIDFman 5 months ago
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@ryan84160 Jordanians are Palestinians! 75% of the country is composed of Palestinians. Prior to 1940s, there was no such thing as Jordan. Jordan was considered Eastern Palestine, yet no one claims they are under occupation over there, why? because they're also Muslim. Israel is the only state in the world that allows Jewish refuge no matter what, however it still allows others to seek citizenship. If you don't know by now why there needs to be a Jewish state, you need to learn some history.
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@ryan84160 Jordanians are Palestinians! 75% of the country is composed of Palestinians. Prior to 1940s, there was no such thing as Jordan. Jordan was considered Eastern Palestine, yet no one claims they are under occupation over there, why? because they're also Muslim. Israel is the only state in the world that allows Jewish refuge no matter what, however it still allows others to seek citizenship. If you don't know by now why there needs to be a Jewish state, you need to learn some history.
TheIDFman 5 months ago
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@ryan84160 Jordanians are Palestinians. 75% of the country is composed of Palestinians. Prior to 1940s, there was no such thing as Jordan. Jordan was considered Eastern Palestine, yet no one claims they are under occupation over there, why? because they're also Muslim. Israel is the only state in the world that allows Jewish refuge no matter what, however it still allows others to seek citizenship. If you don't know by now why there needs to be a Jewish state, you need to learn some history.
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@ryan84160 You will also find that most Israelis, the vast majority actually, and the leaders are extremely secular. Israel was founded as a result of millennia of anti-semitism, not the belief that it is "promised by God". Historically, this is the land Jews immigrated throughout the world from, so to say that they do not belong in the levant or the Middle East for that matter, is deeply ignorant
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@TheIDFman Then why was it so important for the state of Israel to be where it is? If during the time Jews were looking to create a state of their own and we offered a chunk of our giant country for the creation of a homeland, would this have been accepted ? I highly doubt it. Zionists are fairly particular as to where they want to live.
ryan84160 5 months ago
@TheIDFman That said, I really have no problem with Jews living in the Levant at all. My main problem is the treatment of the Palestinians, the occupation,the blockade, the right of return for refugees and calling Israel a "Jewish state".
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160 Okay, tell me this, occupation of what? Jordan ANNEXED the West Bank in 1948 and kept Jews out of Jerusalem, did anyone say it was occupation? Did anyone claim that there needs to be "Palestinian nationalism"? No! Palestinians will never have a right to return because the Jews that have been kicked out of Arab land for centuries, even before Israel, will never have a right to return or compensation for their land.
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@TheIDFman This is a fucking ridiculous argument. Because the government of some Arab countries expelled Jews, you also have the right to expel Arabs? It is as if I said, " the Saudi government has tortured Canadian citizens in the past, therefore Canada has the right to torture Arabs". A Jew born in Toronto has an automatic, no questions asked right to live in Israel, but a Palestinian that was ACTUALLY born there doesn't have this right ?
ryan84160 5 months ago
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@TheIDFman This is a fucking ridiculous argument. Because the government of some Arab countries expelled Jews, you also have the right to expel Arabs? It is as if I said, " the Saudi government has tortured Canadian citizens in the past, therefore Canada has the right to torture Arabs". A Jew born in Toronto has an automatic, no questions asked right to live in Israel, but a Palestinian that was ACTUALLY born there doesn't have this right ?
ryan84160 5 months ago
@TheIDFman Also, if there were Israeli Jews that wanted to return to their homes in Arab land or be compensated for any property that was confiscated, I am the first person to support this100%.
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160 Oh and there was no blockade 10 years ago, checkpoints, blockades, curfews, are not arbitrary actions, they are logical responses to decades of terrorism and attacks on civilians within the Israel.
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@TheIDFman There are terrorists within the Palestinian territories, of course.I am EXTREMELY critical of Islamc terrorism and Islam in general, but you think the logical response to this is occupy, colonize,blockade, restrict the movement of the entire population?This is called collective punishment.
Is the use of white phosphorus on an urban population also a logical response?
ryan84160 5 months ago
@TheIDFman There are terrorists within the Palestinian territories, of course.I am EXTREMELY critical of Islamc terrorism and Islam in general, but you think the logical response to this is occupy, colonize,blockade, restrict the movement of the entire population?This is called collective punishment.
Is the use of white phosphorus on an urban population also a logical response?
ryan84160 5 months ago
@TheIDFman There are Palestinian terrorists, of course. I am extremely critical of Islamic terrorism even Islam in general, but you think the logical response is occupation,blockade, colonization restriction of movement and curfews of the entire population ? This is called collective punishment.
Is the use of white phosphorus in an urban setting also a "logical response"?
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160 Here we go with the white phosphorus dialogue:
1) Show me one death attributed to Israeli White Phosphorus
2) Show me how the use of white phosphorus as a smoke screen (as its been used by Israelis, US, Britain) is illegal
The Israel critics use white phosphorus as a buzzword to undermine any Israeli actions attempting to minimize casualties. They used the phosphorus as smokescreens so they can use ground troops rather than carpet bombing which critics criticize.
TheIDFman 5 months ago
@ryan84160 Give me your plan in dealing with terrorists that not only hide among a civilian population but also is supported by them. The Gazans elected Hamas knowing full well the ideology they were dealing with and Israel is then blamed for dealing with Hamas as it should. Secondly, these "collective" punishments have become last resorts. Israel has tried everything in the book, are you aware of the thousands of liars, phone calls, and text messages Israel sends prior to every bombing/raid
TheIDFman 5 months ago
what i believe is the truth ."The Zionists were by far the more powerful and better organized force, and by May 1948, when the state of Israel was formally established, about 300,000 Palestinians already had been expelled from their homes or had fled the fighting, and the Zionists controlled a region well beyond the area of the original Jewish state that had been proposed by the UN.
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
Cenk, during which years did the Turkish government forbid Kurds from speaking Kurdish? Also, you do realise this was in the case in government buildings where the language spoken was Turkish alone, as English was the only recognised language in America? And do remember, many languages were spoken in Turkey which they couldn't cater for.
PasquaRosee 1 year ago
@PasquaRosee
He's from South Eastern Turkey, otherwise known as Kurdistan.
Moron.
Reqrezentin 1 year ago
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memzb92 1 year ago
@Reqrezentin im sorry but kurdistan does not exist its just south eastern Turkey.
memzb92 1 year ago
@memzb92
It's known as part of Kurdistan, like part of Syria, Iraq and Iran, even Armenia.
Reqrezentin 1 year ago
@Reqrezentin yeah but theres no such thing as kurdistan
memzb92 1 year ago
@memzb92 Saying Kurdistan doesn't exist is as stupid as saying the Middle East doesn't exist because it's just the unofficial name of a region.
omegahunterx 1 year ago
@omegahunterx But Kurdistan as a nation doesn't exist. Are you intentionally being difficult? There is no Kurdish state, it's surely clear that is what he meant.
Saddamuel 1 year ago
if there was a god, HE WOULD NOT TELL US IN THE OLD TESTAMENT TO RAPE LITTLE GIRLS, KILL THEIR PARENTS, AND TAKE THEIR LANDS.
THAT IS SOMETHING SATAN WOULD SAY. FROM THE FUCKING BIBLE. READ IT YOU STUPID "CHRISTIANS" STILL WAITING FOR THE DAY ONE OF YOU MORONS CAN JUSTIFY OR EXPLAIN RAPING LITTLE GIRLS AND TAKING THEIR LAND.
FROM NUMBERS 31:7-18
Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
wowurdumb2 1 year ago
What do you think about Turkey occupying kurds? There are 20 million kurds concentrated in the south-east, and Turkey doesn't give them independence (only 5 million Palestinians). Turkey has killed 30,000 Kurds since 1978, while Israel has killed just over 8000 Palestinians since 1967. Israel occupies 6000 km² of Palestinian land, whiled Turkey occupies 230,000 km² of Kurdish land. Turkey has the land from aggresive Ottoman campaigns, while Israel captured the land in self defence.
ZIONISTMAN1 1 year ago
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@ZIONISTMAN1
Turkey isn't "occupying kurds". get6 your facts straight you stupid fucking INBRED NAZI. nice stats. Did you get them from israeli propaganda nministry
Zionist lies are fucking UNBELIEVABLE. seriously, UNBELIEVABLE.
ps: if you hate turkey so much, then why is Turkey israel;'s best friend in the middle east? LOL
STUPID FUCKING IDIOT,. BIRDS OF A FEATHER, FLOCK TOGETHER.
wowurdumb2 1 year ago
@ZIONISTMAN1 "while Israel captured the land in self defence"
seriously, what the fuck?
israel invades palestine in 1948 and you're saying that israelis killing palestinians is SELF DEFENSE?! WHAT FUCKING PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON?!
RabSimpsonDotCom 1 year ago
@RabSimpsonDotCom By no stretch of the imagination could one say Israel invaded Palestine in 1948. The more accurate description is that surrounding states invaded Israel, there were skirmishes and fighting prior to the full attack but this attack was always coming. Israel repulsed it and hence survived in expanded yet still vulnerable borders. All Jews in Jordanian and Egyptian occupied land were gone and Jews were denied access to Jewish holy sites which were allowed to rot.
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel are you out of your fucking mind? israel did not EXIST prior to 1948.
if you want to talk about taking back holy lands, the pagans want europe back from those murdering christians.
RabSimpsonDotCom 1 year ago
@RabSimpsonDotCom You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation. in 1948 there was a partition between the people who already lived there, one 'Jewish' state and the rest to top up Jordan which had been granted the majority of the Mandate in 1926 I believe. This had been done as Jews were barred from emigrating East of the Jordan river, the plan was to use the rest to accommodate the 'stateless' jews who were coming to this stateless area despite anyone's efforts to stop them.
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel Now listen carefully because I'm not assuming you're a bad person or that you necessarily will become pro-Israel even if you have a more accurate idea of the history. There was no Palestine prior to 1948, there were Jews and Arabs living there but there had been no independent state in the region for a very long time. So neither Israel nor Palestine existed and Palestine continued not to because Jordan and Egypt occupied the territory that had been allocated to her.
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel It seems that you're saying 300,000 Zionists came to the area in 1948 and attacked a country called Palestine. Nothing could be further from the truth. Zionists came to the area in peace since the late 19th Century. They lived there in peace, bought land, built cities and homes and made the region wealthier. With this development the non Jewish population also boomed. The Zionists petitioned patiently and peacefully for a small state where Jews could always know they would be safe.
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel The Zionist plan was never to subjugate or remove the rights of the Arab population, their hope was that a small Jewish state would bring benefits to them and be accepted with the rights of any non Jews within this new Israel totally respected. The idea was about having one place in the world where Jews would always be welcome and where they wouldn't face discrimination, at least not for being Jewish! I just can't understand people who find this concept so hateful... anyway.
Saddamuel 1 year ago
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@Saddamuel "The Zionist plan was never to subjugate or remove the rights of the Arab population, their hope was that a small Jewish state" reality .Israel to this day has never stopped expanding .it refuses to state its boarders.the only country i know of who does not have defined boarders.i wonder why?
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
@Saddamuel I'm being very brief and inexact here but what happened was that after the vote on a partition of the Mandate was won at the UN, Arab states rejected it and an invasion was obvious. There were forces from Egypt in the region fighting in the 'civil war', for example Jews in Jerusalem were besieged etc... Anyway Arab States invaded as soon as the Mandate actually ended! Israel survived and armistice lines were drawn, these are what we call the 67 boundaries - did u know all this or...?
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel There's no perfect comparison to this unique situation, but say Kurds living abroad started returning to Iraqi Kurdish with plans for an independent Kurdistan. Say the UN had a mandate over Iraq after the state collapsed due to civil war and the UN voted for an independent Kurdistan. But Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Yemen and Egypt invade on the basis that the majority of its citizens are 'foreigners'. All I'm looking for is a kernel of understanding from people like you...
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel "bought land" that once was owned by a it Jew was not allowed to be sold back to an Arab.
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
@MUDSHARK111 Maybe back then? But do you think Jews wanted to sell their land? Feels like you're searching for reasons to criticize rather than trying to be fair.
According to UN242, Israeli withdrawal and final borders are to be agreed through negotiations. For Israel to unilaterally state their borders would make people like you angry! If they imposed fair land swaps would you be happy?
Am I to take it that you agree with everything else I've said given that you haven't commented?
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel" Am I to take it that you agree with everything else I've said given that you haven't commented?" SADD i am not sure what you have said to me i have scrolled down to find you have commented to yourself .your going to have clear it up a bit foe me .
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
@MUDSHARK111 Fair enough. You replied to a long comment in a slightly flippant way (no offence but it felt like point scoring or finger pointing?). I was just wondering if you read what I wrote and thought about it or can see where I'm coming from? I'm always happy to have a calm conversation :) [I was being a bit simplistic and slightly biased in my phrasing but that was mostly due to space contraints!]. You started talking to me, was wondering if you had anything to say?
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel "The Zionist plan was never to subjugate or remove the rights of the Arab population" before we move on to other points lets address this .no i do not believe the Zionist intended to subjugate the Arabs but i absolutely believe it was there intention to remove them from the area .with out calling on modern historians to back up this assertion .i ask.
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
@Saddamuel how could a Jewish state remain Jewish if the Arabs had remind within the Israeli UN boarders .even now the Arabs in Israel are reproducing at a grater rate than the Israeli jews and many have expressed concern that eventually Israel will be voted out of existence .removing Arabs removes there Rights.
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
@MUDSHARK111 The problem is that we can never really know what their intentions were because there was a civil war and on the day the Mandate ended there was a full scale war with the surrounding Arab states. For all intents and purposes they were fighting on the 'Palestinian side' and I'm sure a lot of the forced removals of Palestinians were due to the demands of war, not leaving the enemy at your rear etc. It's also possible that many were reprisals for Jews who had to flee. It's only because
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel in an interview benny morris regraded as one of isteaukls leading authoritys on the suject was asked Ben-Gurion was a “transferist”?Of course. Ben-Gurion was a transferist. He understood that there could be no Jewish state with a large and hostile Arab minority in its midst. There would be no such state. It would not be able to exist.the expulsion was by design not a by product .
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
@MUDSHARK111 (cont) Israel won that more Palestinians were expelled. You could also ask, 'would Israel have won the war if they hadn't expelled the potential enemy?'
Then consider that if Israel had been accepted then she would have existed within the initial boundaries which contained few Palestinians.
Now Israel could have been viable because there was a huge backlog of Jewish immigration and in every other nation building there have been population transfers.
Sorry a bit short gtg!
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel" if Israel had been accepted then she would have existed within the initial boundaries which contained few Palestinians".Israel was never under any threat from the Palestinians .but Israel chose to cross there new boarders and invade Palestine expelling and murdering as they went even before the second and third rate Arab armies crossed into Palestine.the Arabs did not have an option . Israel forced there hand.
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
@MUDSHARK111 But from an Israeli point of view an invasion was inevitable anyway, the Arabs had made it clear. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? You sound fair enough to concede that Israel had good reason to anticipate the attack which did occur and that Arab states had designs on the entire mandate (to the detriment of Israelis and Palestinians tbh). Benny Morris says transfers were necessary because of a hostile Arab minority in it's midst, for me the emphasis is on 'hostile'...
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@MUDSHARK111 Are you saying that if Israel hadn't acted and reacted to the siege of Jerusalem and the fighting then Arab armies wouldn't have invaded? Let's be fair here. My view is that in a war you are sometimes forced into certain actions necessary to your survival - necessary evils, and hopefully you choose the course which is 'least bad'. So I guess it comes down to whether you think Israel had a right to ensure its existence or not... Anyway again gtg - sorry if this isn't clear/coherent!
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@MUDSHARK111 In short, it's disingenuous to say the Arab invasion was the mere result of the Civil war in 1947-48 and that before it Arab leadership was happy to allow Israel to come into existence. That is an Arab 'creation myth' as much as the once Israeli myth that Palestinians mostly fled under orders from their own leaders. You act as if Israel went around murdering peaceful Palestinians for no reason and then Arab armies tried to come to their rescue - do you really believe this?
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel cont....... Now it's then that Israel was attacked by its neighbors - in May 1948; it's then, after the Zionists had taken control of this much larger part of the region and hundreds of thousands of civilians had been forced out, not before." Chomsky l has better command of English than i do lol.
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
@MUDSHARK111 It's confusing: one minute I hear it argued that the Arabs may have had the will but didn't have the ability, and the next I hear that they had the ability but not the will (proving their 'peaceful' and defensive intentions). I'd argue that the 'they didn't have the ability' idea is a luxury of hindsight and that 'they didn't have the will' is not something Israel could just sit back and hope to be true (in contradiction to the rhetoric etc...). Can you at least see this?
Saddamuel 1 year ago
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MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
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@Saddamuel do i believe the Arab armies rushed in to defend there brothers? no i believe the other Arab nations had there own agenda, and no expectation or realistic ability to eradicate Israel . the British where very much aware there was no army or army's capable of challenging Israel, and more importantly Israel was aware of this to . .
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
@MUDSHARK111 A quick internet search of the map on 15th May shows no significant change from the partition plan, what is Chomsky on about? The corridor forged to Jerusalem in order to alleviate the siege on the Jews there? Or is it be the small Arab enclave in Jaffa which reduced Israel's width to 5miles? From what 'you've' said it's as if they were already at the 1949 armistice lines, which btw were still dangerously 'undefendable'. You act as if Israel was already a military power! wow...
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@MUDSHARK111 Maybe my map from a Pro-palestinian website is incorrect?
So, since the Arabs had no 'realistic ability to eradicate Israel', this can't have been their goal. Israel should just sit back and hope to be allowed their 10km wide strip in the wake of an invasion? Can you at least see the Israeli fears? Fact is that there was an invasion and Israel was of one mind and fighting for its existence, I imagine that is one reason why their strength and resolve grew whilst the Arabs' wained...
Saddamuel 1 year ago
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Saddamuel 1 year ago
from what i've read the problem is that palestine has been invaded and is under occupation from a force calling itself israel. israel may have been the name of the area in the past but that doesn't give people the right to forcibly remove people from their homes just because they're not jewish.
israel are commiting the same crimes against palestine that nazi germany commited against the jews and other people they didn't like.
(to be continued)
RabSimpsonDotCom 1 year ago
@RabSimpsonDotCom (continued)
people who are pro-israel seem to think it's abhorrent that palestinian people are fighting back against their jewish oppressors. i would like to ask them how they would react to being forcibly removed from their homes.
if you come back and tell me that the country is RIGHTFULLY jewish, i will call you a fucking cunt and tell you that you're COMPLETELY full of shit.
we all live on this planet, and we're fighting over fucking dirt.
RabSimpsonDotCom 1 year ago
@RabSimpsonDotCom
The zionist NAZI, doesn't believe the palestinian should fight for freedom BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE PALESTINIANS DESERVE FREEDOM.
iF you read the bible, the old testament, you will know that he jews came from BABYLOHN. they tried to war against EVERY TRIBE they encountered. they won a few at the beggining, then the babylonians destroyed and enslaved them.
zionists simply believe that GOD GAVE THEM LAND. which to me is, INSANE.
PS: god did tell them to RAPE VIRGINS
wowurdumb2 1 year ago
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@RabSimpsonDotCom
The same thing happened 5000 years ago.
abraham was born in babylon. "god" told him to go west, and then he said this in exodus 23:23
any MORON or JUDO NAZI who thinks i' lying, can please pick up a bible and FUCK YOURSELF WITH IT. My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23
wowurdumb2 1 year ago
@Democraticarabiya474 For real. How can an allegedly declared independent (but illegitimate) state (israel) be sooooo dependent on us (the US). Parasites are anthing but independent.
Looks like rocksparadox finally accepted that ass whoopin'.
PlainSight52 1 year ago
@Saddamuel The phrase Sharon used was 'wither on the vine.'. I take it you approve of less than extreme humanitarian crisis, rather than letting these refugees return to their rightful and ancient homelands.
gamesbok 1 year ago
@gamesbok I disapprove of your duplicity or perhaps merely your ignorance. There is a long history of population transfers in border disputes and Israel/Palestine is no different except that one side decided to treat those displaced in war as refugees in perpetuity or at least until Israel was defeated, whilst Israel took in and forgot the property and land claims of the near 1m displaced Jews.
Like many, you seem more interested in hashing up the past than in forging a better future...
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@gamesbok (2) Now - I may take a dim view of a blockade whose aims are to weaken an armed enemy directly and through civilian hardship. My view's not so dim that I consider it the major issue, I'm clear headed enough to see that it is an excuse to point to this or to foolish settlements as 'obstacles' to peace. If we were to measure the effects of this blockade it would rank low on the scale of 'crimes' - would you rather Israel engaged in a land war against Hamas in response to rocket attacks?
Saddamuel 1 year ago
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@Saddamuel "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
You don't seem to understand who we are dealing with.
gamesbok 1 year ago
@gamesbok You may want to check the source of that quote! As far as I can see, not only have you mis-attributed it but even the so called correct attribution (to the Koanig report) is a fabrication! I don't resort to quotes unless I am certain of their provenance and even then I find that quotations don't an argument make.
You don't seem to understand who you are buying this nonsense from - perhaps this will teach you to question yourself in future, though unfortunately not.
Saddamuel 1 year ago
(3) The truth is that were there the will, Palestinians could lobby for peace on the basis of previous offers and ignore all the excuses their leaders constantly find for not talking or compromising and instead they could be bold. Israel doesn't have the will to ram peace down the throat of a people who don't seem to want it, and although they probably could it is not incumbent on them to do so. My point - before the blockades, before the settlement, was there a big Palestinian peace movement?
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@Saddamuel The problem in the Middle East isn't peace. The problem is justice.
I don't think you're in a position to accuse anyone of 'duplicity.
gamesbok 1 year ago
@gamesbok According to you Israel is the main source of injustice in the Middle East? What surprises me is that those who complain of the airbrushing of history are willing to do it themselves. How could Israel settle the Palestinian issue when for 40 years she faced existential or serious threats from her neighbours? She had larger concerns than convincing Palestinans to coexist and accept a just solution whilst the latter were firmly set on a 'just' solution that involved the end of Israel!
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@gamesbok If the Palestinians want justice then they need merely have fought on this basis rather than the goal of destroying Israel and once this failed demand that all displaced Palestinians should return to Israel (and live as foreigners?) rather than live in their own state. Then it is the settlements that are the problem! And if not the settlements, the brutal way in which their brutal attacks are countered... excuses can always be found.
I can see past Hamas though.
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@gamesbok No retraction on your quote. How sad.
Saddamuel 1 year ago
@a1776patriot That's funny, both Abraham and Moses called the area Palestine.
gamesbok 1 year ago
@verchow1 Rabin talked to Arafat, and they murdered him for it. Israel's attack in 1967 is taught in military staff colleges around the world. The land they won had been planned from 1947, and if you think that's a coincidence I'm going to stop talking to you.
gamesbok 1 year ago
A. Palestinians aren't necessarily muslims.
B. Allah is just the arabic word for God.
C. This conflict has nothing to do with religion.
aswad877 1 year ago
@aswad877 but religion does fuel the fire
serioushamster 1 year ago
@serioushamster I disagree, I think religion is what both sides use to justify themselves to the media and their supporters. Israelis feed jewish fanaticism when they continue to talk about 'land given to us by god'. The truth is is that Zionism was always a SECULAR movement.
Hamas rally support from palestinians by stirring up religious emotion similarly, but the fact remains that the palestinian resistance has ALSO never been about religion - Arabs can be jewish, christian or muslim.
aswad877 1 year ago
@aswad877 you are wrong about Zionism being a secular movement,its underline principle was and has always been to found a Jewish homeland in the land of Palestine.
serioushamster 1 year ago
@serioushamster No, you are wrong. The first world Zionist Congress in 1897 elected Theodor Herzl as its president, who although was concerned with The jewish identity;
"He saw the future [jewish] state as a model social state, basing his ideas on the European model of the time, of a modern enlightened society. It would be neutral and peace-seeking, and of a secular nature."
-according to jewishvirtuallibrary
aswad877 1 year ago
@aswad877 and where was this state meant to be founded?
serioushamster 1 year ago
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aswad877 1 year ago
@serioushamster in Palestine, under the rules of international law. which it wasn't.
aswad877 1 year ago
@aswad877 actually it was but it was only suppose to cover 2% of Palestine's landmass but then flood of illegal Jewish immigration coupled with the activities of Jewish terrorist organisations like Irgun along with those 2 wars changed all that.
serioushamster 1 year ago
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@aswad877 "Allah is just the arabic word for God."
I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT, BUT NOBODY EVER LISTENS
"Allah akbar" = "God is good"
PlainSight52 1 year ago
@aswad877 You're right. Imagine the Jews were a Muslim tribe that was expelled from the area over 1000 years ago. I'm sure the opposition to their return and desire for a small slither of land as a state would have been opposed just as forcefully and intransigently. The hatred for the Islamic Republic of Israel's amongst her neighbours would have been just as strong and every minutiae of the conflict would be front page news just like Kurdistan's struggle for freedom is a huge world story ;)
Saddamuel 1 year ago
God: jews Should Be Strangled Literally
PlainSight52 1 year ago
@Democraticarabiya474 Do you have intercourse with animals?
rocksparadox 1 year ago
One of the gems of TYT.
matrix13thfloor 1 year ago
Who or what's israel? I know what Palestine is, it's that country where Jerusalem is between the Mediterranean and Dead Sea.
PlainSight52 1 year ago
@PlainSight52 It is that place where people who don't contribute but threaten get fucked really bad by a really pissed off army.
An army that has kept shortsighted, lazy rats out for 5 decades now.
Come to europe, fanatical muslim, and have our security or rightwing skinheads fuck you up.
rocksparadox 1 year ago
@rocksparadox 'fanatical muslim', Ha! Shows how much you know, I'm white! Come to America you pussy mother fucker and have any of our Homies (Skins, Blacks, Mexicans, Asians) not only FUCK YOU UP but most likely KILL YOU! Pussy ass jewish sympathizer!
PlainSight52 1 year ago
@PlainSight52 Wow, you are either a really fat faggot troll virgin, or the biggest lying neonazi scumbag I have ever come across!
Your ''homies'' , if you are so antisemite, I bet you have a lot of other friends too, mr. Tolerant.....
Wake up, and jump from a building at least 7 stories high.
rocksparadox 1 year ago
@rocksparadox Virgin? Haha. Yeah, born again virgin. I've actually fucked a jewish chick, have been hit on by an israeli chick that worked in the mall i used to work at, so your broken english insults just smacked your kike ass right back in the face you fuckin' lame.
PlainSight52 1 year ago
@PlainSight52 I have blue eyes, blonde hair, score in the last percentile and I have nothing to do with Israel directly, you blundering boob.
I know people from many places but somehow I know you are either a neonazi or a frustrated arab.
You showed you could suck a golfball through a gardenhose by saying that I produce insults using broken english!
Your verbal constructs are completely devoid of grammar.
Haven't you never heard of no triple negative before, you inbred hick?
rocksparadox 1 year ago
@rocksparadox Wait, are you debbie schlussel? Nah, she's American and has pretty good english. So you're from Europe. Did you know that israel has all major European countrie's capitals targeted with nuclear weapons?
I empathize with anybody who is being systematically oppressed and villified for no reason such as the Palestinians are. If you believe the holocaust narrative and the treatment of jews no matter the amount of lives lost was bad, the you should feel the same way for the Palestinans
PlainSight52 1 year ago
@rocksparadox If not more for the Palestinians, because they get it 10 times as worse, it's happening to them in this day and age not almost a 100 years ago and the Palestinians are actually close to near extinction, whereas to be honest the jews never were. So if you can't feel where I'm comming from you're not only a hypocrite, but a naive fool and possible threat to your own people for not being acutely aware of the great threat these maniacs are to the entire world (including good jews).
PlainSight52 1 year ago
@rocksparadox As for trying to pin a "neonazi or a frustrated arab" label on me, neither will work. It's a damn shame when the peoples of this planet so desperately look to someone's character or nationality to attack when arguing things as critical as these. Instead of mustering up an ounce of intellect to actually debate the issue, but then again I guess that's what one does when they have no argument is resort to childish name calling. Humans used to be smart. God bless their ignoranceIguess
PlainSight52 1 year ago
@PlainSight52 Its the country that wiped Palestine off the map :D
KpopManiacSFL 1 year ago
@KpopManiacSFL Then why don't any of it's so called neighbors recognize its existence or its right to exist, but still recognize Palestine once the land of Canaan? :P
PlainSight52 1 year ago
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then give the kurds their own state
MosheStern18 1 year ago
then give the kurds their own state
MosheStern18 1 year ago
Americans should not tolerate Senators and congressmen who are blindly obedient to a foreign nation like this treasonous fool Schumer
Uncle99B 1 year ago
What he describes as the 'Palestinian view' of Israel's origins is not only Palestinian. It is also my view and that of many people I know. I do not believe in the Torah or King David either, in the sense that they are no more and no less sacred to me than is the Acropolis. I am Acadian. Do I have the right to ask the United Nations to give me back the land of my ancestors? At least in my case, I could probably located the exact parcel of land they farmed before being exiled.
aiglefort 1 year ago
I hate this guy and his stupid show but he is making sense in this video; "Free Palestine"
doomsdaypreacher 1 year ago
Unassailable logic.
devourerofbabies 1 year ago
Excellent Cenk.
Cornucopiaification 1 year ago
Dear Senator can you really live with yourself!
iraaus 1 year ago
@iraaus
i'd like to ask that too!
shq007pk 1 year ago
@benwaddington seriously man, wtf are you talking about? its hilarious to see the words nazi and zionist juxtaposed. A true sign of a man with rhetoric but no substance. Nazi refers to a political party that conquered the world, collected jews and executed them systematically. WHERE IS THE CONNECTION? Zionism is a philosophical idea, no longer necessary btw, that the jews need to have a place of their own. nothing to do with arabs, who all pretty much agree should have their own state.
jimmylewis9871 1 year ago
@jimmylewis9871 I'm sorry Jimmy, but what I saw in Israel was Zionists creatinf lebensarum for the herrenvolk at the expense of the untermensch. If you can tell me what's not Nazi about this I'm all ears.
gamesbok 1 year ago
kinda shows who really runs this country.
IWantUrBallsSmashed 1 year ago
Do a youtube seach on:
Expose Senator Schumer and Israeli Terrorism!
IWantUrBallsSmashed 1 year ago
I support Israel
RayWilliamJohansen 1 year ago
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"Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Sir John Harrington, 1561-1612
magprob 1 year ago
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"Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Sir John Harrington, 1561-1612
magprob 1 year ago
Totally agree with this video.
The Israeli IDF are terrorists in uniform.
MrCRM114 1 year ago
@MrCRM114 i agree, blowing up up kids, launching rockets, beheading your own people,and torturing prisoners,brainwashing their children to hate israel to commit martyrdom etc. is justifiable
RayWilliamJohansen 1 year ago
@MrCRM114 You are a murderer.
my claim is as accurate as yours is. how does it feel to be on the receiving side of retarded remarks? go look up the word terrorist and then you will realize that is impossible. then go to gaza and get perspective. better yet, go to Ramallah as well, to see the contrast.
jimmylewis9871 1 year ago
@smokydave I know, I have tons of jew friends.
fdeink 1 year ago
@benwaddington Oh btw, about 'Count Bernadotte' it's true that Israeli extremists assasinated him. What you left out is, the Arabs rejected Bernadotte's plan. I love the way you idiots try to paint an extremist faction within Israel as the whole of 'Israel,' but, when Hamas fires 10,000 missiles, and is the actual GOVERNMENT of Gaza, it's perfectly fine. Lol@ a supposed suicide bomber being responsible for Arab hatred of Jews. Man you are DUMB.
Asymmatrix 1 year ago
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@Asymmatrix first off you dumb zionist, the message was not to you:
do not feel bad about him calling you an anti-semite. He calls his mom that when they disagree. Typical zionist bs. Disagree with any israeli policy: You are an anti-semite, nazi and probably a terrorists. Let him spew his 3 insults.
LOL and there you go you called me a nazi! See my point?
slickrickdarula 1 year ago
@Asymmatrix you replied to a comment not adressed to you: do not feel bad about him calling you an anti-semite. He calls his mom that when they disagree. Typical zionist bs. Disagree with any israeli policy: You are an anti-semite, nazi and probably a terrorists. Let him spew his 3 insults.
you are so thick you actually did exactly what i mentioned... use one of your 3 insults. You zionists are pathetic.
10000 missiles LMAO how many israeli dead? lol quit the bs ashkenazi fuck
slickrickdarula 1 year ago
@slickrickdarula Haha it's so easy with ansisemitic tools like you. It's a fact, not an insult. Tell us about the childhood trauma which has rendered you so sick that you are inclined to demonize an asylum for Holocaust survivors, rather than the sane opposite.
Asymmatrix 1 year ago
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@Asymmatrix why dont you answer my question?
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF A FOREIGN STATE WAS ESTABLISHED IN YOUR BACKYARD?
slickrickdarula 1 year ago