Beijing Style Shuaijiao Technique

[semillasdelorto]

I love how the young generations claim to be the best, just because they're young and stubborn, ground and wrestling has been in the MA worlds for milenia, I don't care how many TV shows you make about them. it's very old, and most people are ignorant so it's easy to talk when you have nothing to argue about.

First search the roots of MA and then talk, or else be silent and learn.

[ashwix]

@semillasdelorto not sure who this is directed to...care to clarify?

[dustargentum]

funky dance, listen this video with some jamiro quai music

[LunaticReason]

I just discovered the channel. I'm interested in Shuai Jiao. Can it be applied to mma? Are there any techniques that does not require grappling the opponents uniform?

[Aztecalt1997]

has any1 ever seen Judo vs. Shua Jiao b4?

[piguahand]

tight!!!

[hseckink]

hello ashwix. May i ask you some questions ?

Fist does shuaijiao( or wushu) has a groundwrestling system like bjj. Second what is the advantages of the shuaijiao according to other systems. Of course i just want your own opinions. If it is possibile to take. Thank you really very much for all your posting !

[ashwix]

There are thousands of different styles in China. All i can say is that i have yet to come across a ground grappelling system. Some say Fujian Dog style or Ditang Boxing are ground styles. I havent seen anything but showy routines from them though.

[ashwix]

@ashwix qinna is not really thought of as a system, there are those that teach it as such, but they have some ground techniques...nothing as developed as bjj though

[ashwix]

I'm not keen on commenting about advantages of Shuaijiao over other systems, although i have a strong opinion about Shuaijiao compared to other Chinese Martial Arts. but i will say this: You are welcome to come and try it out for 6 months and make your own mind up :-)

[hseckink]

Thank you for your reply ashwix. You are at beijing right ? When i come beijing again ( next year ) I ll give at least a visit with pleasure ! Actually ditang is a acrobatic system. Dog style is a kicking from ground system. You know better than me, there are many grappling style. Jiujitsu,Bjj, sambo, submission wrestling i was thinking about what is the difference of shuaijiao. I really supriced when i couldnt find a chinese ground grappling system. Maybe you create one in the future :)

[ashwix]

Yes Im in Beijing.

Let me know when you come and we can arrange some training for you :-)

[georgeee1]

Well chinese styles dont really have ground grapping because ground grappling with weapons involved is a bad idea 2 hands on a choke or armbar will get you killed in the streets ! where im from washington d.c anyway where ppl have knifes

[CarNikolaj]

Ok then you die standing - a big difference.

[eugeneshaolin]

hseckink.. If I could chime in on this, I've also never seen a Chinese style that treats ground-fighting in any detail the way BJJ or Sambo does. I suspect this is due to the abundance of weapons and the social context in which the styles were developed. In modern Brazil, most fights are mano a mano, with no weapons. In feudal or turn of the century China, you'd be hard-pressed to find a population of people where edged weapons weren't commonplace. Hence, ground-work is a bad idea.

[lolll666]

you will not find ground grappling in ancient styles because ground grappling is a modern martial art. brazil developed ground grappling on accident, and BJJ was not always emphasizing the ground game, it looked very much like judo with a more developed ground game then. it was made in the early 20th century. sambo was also developed in the 20th century, but i don't know the background well so i don't want to say how and be wrong, though i believe it was a military project

[eugeneshaolin]

ground grappling is not exclusively modern. There is record of well-developed ground-fighting techniques in many parts of the world dating back as long as the striking arts do. Ancient greek wrestling being the most notable example. While there's no way to know for sure, it stands to reason that ground fighting falls out of favor in cultures where weapons are prevalent but has been practiced for just as long as other fighting styles. BJJ and Sambo are modern examples, but not the only examples.

[BoxerMonkey]

there's some pretty ancient ground grappling techniques in india

[1uc3n7]

The closest I have seen to ground fighting in the northern systems were some of the throw to joint break combinations my instructor showed from Shuaijiao (where the break occurs almost simultaneously with the throws impact). In Japanese styles, the prevalence of ground fighting has varied a lot. For example, Kano's school was pretty much all throws, then all of his students got dominated by a ground fighter. The Kosen branch of Judo was the result of the grapplers collaboration with Kano.

[1uc3n7]

Maeda was an expert in both the Daisen (standing) and Kosen (ground) fighting methods of the Kodokan, and he was the instructor of the Gracies. The Japanese (including Maeda) in general favored the Daisen methods, and it was the Gracies that eventually favored the grappling methods. It should be noted that during the pre-war years Japanese Judo masters dominated the Judo and Jujitsu fights in South America with rapidly applied combinations of throws into submissions (no extended grappling).

[ashwix]

@hseckink hi...no ground fighting today. the advantages of Shuaijiao compared to other systems...hmmm...thats not a good question because there is no perfect system. its a throwing art, and one of the best there is. if you want to throw, learn shuaijiao

[eyewishwalrus]

two hands to control one is never a very good idea unless its an armbar you are sure of two hands to control one standing not good

[tattooedmonk]

What? What you are saying is an absolute. Every situation requires a different method. For a specific situation this method could be used, but not in all situations. I had this argument a while back about crossing your legs in a rear naked choke. Everyone said that it was a rookie move, then it came out that there are specific situations where it should/ can be done

[lolll666]

so explain the arm drag, which marcelo garcia uses as pretty much his #1 takedown

[chihlitiger]

Check out the book "Yawara, The Ancient Japanese Martial Art of Jujitsu". It has a full chapter on the origin of 7 distinct lineage of Jujitsu, in which 3 are originated in Chinese Shuaijiao and Qinna schools. The name Jujitsu us created by the founder of Kaneguchi Ryu which in early 1500's adopted Taoist classic Lao Zi's philosophy of Rou (Ju) as the main core of this new style of martial art.

[eknick]

that grip reminds me of aikido

[nifka72]

Its kind of funny,I guess we may never get the full true story on it, thanks for the reply.

[Myderion]

He seems like a great teacher. God bless him for his age. It's amazing how the arts can encompass all ages without wear or tear on them. THe health benefits are astonding.

[jeridz64]

nice stuff. thanx for uploading this :D

[nguyenalvin]

intresting to see this kind of stuff is this before judo and jujitsus time

[blackjamm]

Judo and Jujitsu developed from Chinese shuaijiao. A practitioner named Chen Yuan Yun left China for Japan in the Ming dynasty. The belt system has its origins in the belt of the Dalian, the robe you can see them wearing in the clip - the robe would be cleaned, but the belt would not be, so it got dirtier the more times it was used.

[dougrhess]

The belt story is a myth. Belts didn't start until after WWII when the modern founder of judo began using just white and black to distinguish junior and senior students. Shotokan's founder was a good friend of his and adopted the idea late in his life. Shotokan schools generally have just white, green, brown and black. As other schools picked this up some, notably Korean ones, started going nuts with all kinds of colors and bizarre stories about their meanings.

[blackjamm]

I've always assumed it was a myth.  Doesn't stop it from being true!

[chihlitiger]

Judo uses belt before WWII. Originally only white and black, later a brown is added by Kodokan after WWII. The use of other colors are for kids in Japan and for adults in other country.

[nifka72]

True, and the dirtier it got,to some degree ,would show the level of training and practice one was doing,hence a black belt.

[blackjamm]

Probably a myth, like dougrhess says, but shuaijiao uniforms (the dalian) have had belts for as long as anyone can remember, certainly before the founding of judo, and there might be a kernel of fact in the legend.

[dougrhess]

No, that's a myth. (Besides the dirtier it gets the smellier it gets.)

[chihlitiger]

No, it is fact. Go read the Jujitsu Encyclopedia compiled by Japan Jujitsu Federation, published by Kodansha in 2005.

[chihlitiger]

There are at least 7 distinct styles of Jujitsu, in which Chen was one. Kito Ryu derived from one of Chen's student, Yoshin Ryu's founder studied in China for over 10 years. Chen studied in Shaolin, but since he was from Tianjin and Nagasaki had regular convoys with Ningpo, I suspect Jujitsu is derived from Neijia Quan that was popular in Zhejiang in late Ming and early Qing, which spread and survived till today by a Tianjin family in Siquan and Shanghai

[SakurabaSan]

Wow so "complete" kung fu is essentially mixed martial arts just with all chinese techniques.

[nagi85]

Awesome to see. I wish they had a school for Shuai jiao around me. I mean San Shou isn't bad it's just that would be cool to learn as well.

[nilsonmorhes]

Yes, Complete kung fu is Tradicional forms,sanshou,shuaijiao and chin-na.

[BenAske]

Great Video and cover lots of basic chinese wrestling i will be adding it to my train immeditaly