Michael Rabin - Wieniawski Concerto No.2 Part 1

[GangsterGiraffitti]

@iwavns it's called...idk...SARCASM

[squeatley]

Hear that up bow staccato? Thats how its done. And very classy. No one else on you tube can do it properly like this - not even rachel b-p. In fact this performance is pretty definitive and to be honest nothing much holds a candle to it. I know theres lots of 13 year old (and younger) kids knocking it out but so what? Thats novelty not music. Who can play Paganini 24 the youngest ! Or the fastest flight of the b-b before being potty trained. You need to have loved and lost to play this piece.

[jhglobal1]

Wonderful....I also think his playing of No.1 is the best ever. His own teacher, Galamian, himself said that Michal Rabin was the best of all..."never a weakness, never"...that includes Perlman who borrowed from Rabin's style in many aspects.

[NSSpaser]

I'm always confused when I hear the harmonic at 6:07; it seems a little out of place...Can someone comfort me with a theory explanation of that note? (I know, too scholarly for such a great piece, but it's the only thing that bothers me when I listen to something this awesome...)

[Grothmanus]

@NSSpaser Surprised no one answered this question. Simply put, that whole gesture, from the 16th notes right before the high harmonic D and following, is all on the D string. The jump from one position to the next is very large, so the harmonic is actually easier to get to. As a plus, this gesture looks more virtuosic. Also, at least in the Galamian edition, it is printed in the part to play a harmonic. I cannot speak for the original manuscript, however. Hope that answers the question.

[PawCat]

@NSSpaser Grothamanus said it all correct... I also think he maybe used the harmonic for the slide upwards. The chromatic line down afterwards is completely on the d string so the d''' on the d string is a good idea. The slide up there to the harmonic simply sounds better and is easier... at the very end it sounds similar to a slide where you slide first and then put a higher finger on, like at 4:15. In the edition I have, this is also printed as an harmonic, but that does not say very much.

[mizzothify]

@NSSpaser First, I share your confusion about that note! Second, I will try to explain: Harmonically, the progression is tonic (F) – double dominant (G; third inversion = F in the cellos) – dominant (C) (2nd inversion = E in the cellos) – tonic (F). This is quite a simple progression by itself. It is not easy to follow it though bc it is played by the strings in pizz. only, whereas the chromatic line in the solo vln gives no harmonic support. On top, the open G sounds much stronger …

[mizzothify]

@NSSpaser (2) … than the other notes in that chord, again blurring the G-maj. All in all, the instrumentation in these bars is just not particular successful in clarifying the harmonic progression ... Brahms and Mozart and the like would have done better …

[ohverrmynd]

Jeez these comments are confusing might as well talk about how musicality is the half step between Technicality and Emotion

[tingwayyy]

the front part was kinda slow!

[kbunge]

@tingwayyy you have no idea how awesome this is. it really wasn't too slow... he's a fantastic player

[in2music13]

beautiful

[Tophood96]

I love how the orchestra combines with the violin melody :D

[violinsrockdude]

Oh my goodness, I'll be learning this whole concerto and I'm a little scared to death!!

[careinn10]

simply beautiful. I admit, I didn't like this concerto the first few times I heard it, but hearing him play 3:40 to the end of the lyrical section just made me fall in love.

[jabatotheviolin]

the best!!!!!!!!!!!

[eduhyuuga]

The thing that really matters is how you play it, not what you are playing...Always remember that! I'm sure Michael Rabin also played happy birthday for his friends and you can still say that he is an awesome violinist just by listening to his awesome sound!

[wiversonc]

nossa eu conhesi ele agora e ja sou o muior fam

[CrockSkinTesticles]

I just turned 2 and am starting this piece, it will be easy having learned the 24 caprices though....

[MrAgentCooki]

@CrockSkinTesticles haha, that made me laugh xD then I saw your username and laughed again... o_o

[iwavns]

@CrockSkinTesticles You just turned 2 and am starting this piece? It would be a wonder that you already know how to go online....not to mention understand what 'testicles' are....Who believes that you are only 2 is a fool...

[stradrools]

@iwavns you are a smart one, aren't you?

[xilibai]

@iwavns Ahem. Whoever is actually skeptical and gave it some thought is the fool. It's obviously a joke. Not a bad one at that---Rabin was a genius as well, so it's fitting.

[Catherineviolon95]

I very like this concerto. Wieniawsky is one of the compositors who made me love the classical music:). I'm playing it and it's very easy for me to feel the music..it's so beautiful!

Rabin's interpretation is very beautiful..his tone is amazing!Ö

[Catherineviolon95]

I very like this concerto and Wieniawsky is one of my favorite compositor. I'm playing it and it's easy for me to feel the music..it's so beautiful^^

This interpretation is very great! His tone..wowÖ!

[MrGunterguerrero]

The Wieniawsky's Concerto was one who mades me love the classical music in my childhood...and about the Michael Rabin's perform...marvellous, unique !

[lmfviolet78]

i think a lot of young people play this because it is exciting music and isn't terribly difficult. im 16 playing this. but for me the technicality is a lot harder than the expression of the music. its hard for me to play how i feel sometimes because my technical skills are on a lower level than my musicality.. congratulations to all you who have mastered both

[0oxisabellaxo0]

@lmfviolet78  I am 16 and playing this too! Im just starting it, best of luck to you! and i struggle with the EXACT same thing, im very good at the musicality of playing, but the TECHNIcalities are a challenge for me. i Just played the sarasate zigeurnerweisen and that was a rough one.. Anyways, i hope that doesn't slow you down! again, best of luck :)

[Toasty25000]

That concerto got pwnt

[paulostroff99]

Astounding! TY.

[welkkom]

He's playing so wunderfull<3

and his tone *0*

It is so sad that he has died so young T.T..

[angryperson3]

This gets a solid 10 from me!

I wish this guy didn't have to meet such a tragic end, he had such a grand career ahead of himself.

[lavaflu]

wow! such beautiful tone quality!

[catlvr4567]

playing this :) not qute as well, but still! ahh so beautiful

[2cello]

this is so much fun to play in the orchestra. (cello :P)

[DownMemoryAve]

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why the heck do comments from classical pieces always end up in heated arguments about composers and soloists and how they play...dont pick at them/it so much! Leave it be!....

[soyoureStory]

@DownMemoryAve it's part of why we love classical music! the analysis and criticism that comes with it :)

[MrEcho711]

@DownMemoryAve It's because the best things in life are all surrounded by conspiracies and lots of perspective. Thats life.

[Steroid0Strad]

MichaelRabinMemorian didn't post the whole thing, he left out a giant chunk from the beginning.

[rebeccanubodys]

dga471- jesus, enough already...

[Steroid0Strad]

@rebeccanubodys

I agree with dga471

[Steroid0Strad]

@rebeccanubodys

he's also at perfect liberty to talk as much as he wants, and he's probably not here right now

[derryaky]

@Steroid0Strad

[calloffthedogs]

I love this. Rabin has such a purity and innocence not to mention of course that he was a spectacular virtuoso even at a very early age. Just gorgeous.

[xoxCarlyx7]

honestly people... who cares? let's just enjoy this great music.

[ahongwiki]

Rabin is a prodigy

[dziady1]

471 I mean that people ascribe deep meanings to works

based on "who" wrote it Beethoven -"deep meaning "

Brahms needing maturity etc . etc . these are" heavier"

as opposed to "light " Wieniawski -they wrote in different times so came to the "concerto " form with different thoughts.

It's how you receive it as a work of art -I would rather

hear the Mozart violin concertos than Brahms or Beethoven -much less the Bruch that has for me, no

meaning at all .How about the Sibelius great violin work ?

[dga471]

It's understandable if you think all these "meanings" are something artificial and relative, but the fact is that many different listeners have often come to the same conclusions: that Beethoven is deeper than Wieniawski, and things like that. Meaning isn't completely objective, but it isn't completely arbitrary as well. Not all Beethoven's works are considered on the same par as his violin concerto. It depends on the content of the work, not just the composer.

[dziady1]

Of course Beethoven has to be deeper - we are conditioned to" that" thought ,just as Mozart is on all

candy boxes in Salzburg and Vienna . Mozart "light". as opposed to Ludwig serious .The last movement

of the Beethoven violin concerto is no more profound than any movement of Wieniawski 2 but we are conditioned to

accept the Beethoven as" deeper" because to do otherwise would be to upset the apple cart of pedantic

teaching rather than examin the construction of the works in question /

[dga471]

Nobody said Mozart was light. Mozart, though seemingly using simpler harmonies and more transparent textures, always wrote God-inspired melodies. In some of his works he can compete with anything Beethoven ever wrote - have you ever listened to the Requiem? Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, they are regarded more highly than Wieniawski because of the fact that they are more inventive, more technically gifted and more original in terms of structure, harmony, even melody!

[dziady1]

dga471 -you are out of your depth concerning Mozart textures

etc. and the usual "God inspired melody bit " then of course you land on the Requiem which everybody under

the sun had a hand in this work and only the opening was

finished by Mozart -the rest bits and pieces put together

by various composers.Haydn was the most inovative

of the three ,but the usual uninformed baloney persists

simpler harmonies -transparent textures and on and on.

Give it a break yes i know the requiem very well .

[dga471]

Take a look at the Wieniawski concerto here - I'm not indoctrinated, I'm examining the work itself - look at the harmony. It's very straightforward, simple, not very groundbreaking for a work written in the late Romantic period. Wieniawski was highly skilled in compositional technique, but he didn't have much powers of innovation/originality. It has nothing to do with "the apple cart of pedantic teaching". I examined the music myself and understood why people say these things

[dziady1]

The harmony in the other concertos are all straight forward as well with little innovation?originality?. He didn't break in new harmonic ground ,neither did Beethoven

in his work -you may not care for the Wieniawski which

is your right -do you go around saying Renoir is no Bellini or do you appreciate each artist for what they did in their "time".You remind me of people who would like

new music if it only sounded like the old .,you know

Beethoven , Mozart , Haydn ,whatever .......

[dga471]

You are merely starting to shift away from the issue and start making a lot of assumptions about ME, instead of the composers and music we're talking about. Beethoven didn't break new harmonic ground? How about the Grosse Fuge? He made new innovations in other ways as well, not just harmonically. If Wieniawski lived in the same time as Beethoven and composed this concerto, then he would indeed be original. But no, he lived around the same time as Liszt, Wagner, Mahler.

[dga471]

Just compare this Wieniawski and the Brahms, for example - if you are completely open-minded, Wieniawski is the one much easier to enjoy, because of its lighter character and more conventional harmony.

Mozart's Requiem was finished by Mozart up to the Lacrimosa - you can't say Suessmayer came up with everything. And instead of denouncing everything I said as "uniformed baloney" and "being out of my depth", why don't you reply properly to what I said: who says Mozart is light? I DID NOT.

[dga471]

I appreciate each composer for what they did. I DO CARE FOR THE WIENIAWSKI. But for my case, "caring" about music isn't about completely loving one and completely hating the other. I appreciate Wieniawski and Paganini for those works which demonstrate what violin technique can do better than anything else. These works very enjoyable, I can assure you. I appreciate Beethoven and Brahms because they weren't so concerned about showing off technique for the sake of itself.

[dga471]

And lastly you are DEAD WRONG if you think I don't like new music. Before this I vehemently championed Schoenberg on another forum. My own compositions are often more atonal than tonal. A few days ago I listened to Kirchner's second string quartet and was completely amazed at it. Then I saw Ligeti's Artikulation, Sequenzas - I thought they were brilliant. I assign different values to different pieces of music - but I enjoy them all.

[dga471]

I actually don't like Mozart very much - but I still refuse to denounce him as "Viennese candy". That might apply to Johann Strauss, but I also love and enjoy his music anyway. I'm baffled by what you think and say - what do you think about Wieniawski? Do you think Beethoven and Wieniawski are equally great as composers? How about Bach and Wieniawski? Please refrain from spouting another series of "everything you said is baloney and the result of preconditioned thinking." We want to discuss.

[dga471]

In the end, I think I'm not the one of depth here. This is the first time anybody ever told me that we are usually indoctrinated to think Beethoven is "serious" and Mozart "light." It's more like we think of Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, Brahms, Chopin, Liszt as "major composers", Paganini and Wieniawski (maybe Kreisler) as "violin showpiece composers", and Lalo, Weber, Saint Saens as "the best composers of light music." So the fact is that you seem to be arguing against the wrong statement.

[dga471]

And this is also the first time that someone said Haydn is more innovative than Beethoven. It's far more often for people to refrain comparing directly these two giants. But the sure thing is that while Haydn was indeed the father of the symphony, a master of the string quartet, and so on, Beethoven is the one who everyone unanimously says brought over the Romantic period.

[dga471]

It's kind of weird to say Beethoven's harmony is just as straightforward as Wieniawski - maybe it is, but that's quite typical in the Classical style (and I don't think late Beethoven is harmonically simple at all). In the Romantic period, we have people doing a lot of stuff harmonically ala Wagner, Mahler, Liszt, even Brahms and Tchaikovsky - and yet we still have Wieniawski's harmony. Most people can immediately figure out which composer is the more sophisticated one - Wieniawski or Brahms.

[dga471]

So appreciate composers in the context of their time - OF COURSE! You can't go around saying Palestrina's "harmony" is simpler than Mozart then say thus Palestrina sucks. You also can't say that since Boulez and Stockhausen create much more complicated compositions than Brahms, for example, thus Brahms is lesser than them. Such complexity is unsurprising in this modern era. On the other hand, Wieniawski's harmony was indeed a bit too simple to be compared against the giants of Mahler and Wagner.

[dziady1]

No one denigrates Palestrina -On the other hand I find Brahms an uncreative bore and what I saw of Licht series

of Stockhausen was highly creative and thrilling.You are correct concerning Wieniawski ,but when listening to him

I am not looking for Wagner and the other way around .

It's how well the work is carried off that matters ,I like Weill more than the colossal windbag Mahler , one page

of Weill says more than endless hours of huffing and puffing Mahler, at least to me .

[dziady1]

haydn upon inspection was more inventive -he just had

more fun and you don't give out Oscars for "fun" you

must to be rewarded only for "angst" most people

can't fathom "depth" coming from a laugh . A "chicken"

symphony c'omon !! He wasn't making grand statements

he was enjoying himsel writing music .just look at how the "Farewell " symphony is carried out -sheer fun ,joy

and clever - all in one -a statement yes but with a laugh

Only Mozart comes close or matches this virtuosity,

[dga471]

You're making it sound as if people often think lowly of Haydn because of that "laughter." On the other hand, I actually think people love Haydn because of that. Beethoven also put in a lot of humor inside his music between those "grand statements", and we've come to appreciate that side of him. Even Mahler put in a lot of stuff which is the opposite of grand statements - he put in military music, passages akin to those of street musicians - all kinds of banality between those grand statements.

[dga471]

In the end, it's about embracing all sides of life - the funny and the serious as well. When I say some things are "heavier", it does not mean that laughter is contemptible. Bad music isn't music that is funny - it's music that isn't crafted well, isn't original - no matter what the topic is. True "depth" lies in these aspects - originality, expressiveness, organization, adventurousness, etc. Thus even humor can have depth - look at the facts: not everybody worships Wagner!

[dga471]

I have a feeling a lot of people here are still teenagers who think they can bring this piece out convincingly with enough emotions. I agree in the case of this piece, but certainly not in the case of something like Brahms or Prokofiev or Beethoven or even Bruch. Most teenagers think they're already as grown up as they can be, but will quickly realize their immaturity a few years down the road. Music isn't just about simple experiences like getting happy or angry, which even children experience

[dziady1]

dga471 -what nonsense ! the best violin concerto is the Mendelssohn -Beethoven is a minor concerto and if it weren't for the name which we have come to bow before no matter what ,it would receive few performances. The

Wieniawski requires great technique and musical insight

to carry it off otherwise it is just show piece as it is here.

Rabin was major fiddle player but minor artist to carry off this highly elegant romantic work as it should be done .

[dga471]

What do you mean by "nonsense"? It's fine for you to think Mendelssohn is better for Beethoven, but I have never actually seen a music critic/musician denounce that concerto like you did. My opinion that Beethoven's stands among the Mendelssohn and Brahms isn't far-fetched at all. I was completely drawn in the first time I heard the Beethoven.

[namastekala1]

DIVINE......

[micanpa]

magnifico

[zenViolin]

"Many children cannot express such emotions because they simply do not know what it feels like to, for example, lose a loved one, or experience overwhelming joy..."

to say this is an expression of ignorance centered around your individual experience in life. perhaps your problems happened when you were older. many people's problems happen at a young age. children's expression of emotion is true and undiluted. i am one child (15) who is technically and emotionally able to play this piece.

[AXESHREDDER21]

now to me tht sounds a bit arrogant. not to say that was your intention or that you are not telling the truth. i don't know you. I just think such comments should be kept to themselves. anyway best of luck to you

[violin957]

disagree, Wieniawski needs emotion. also younger people can experience hardships just like older people. does someone have to be old enough to feel pain or pleasure? sometimes, yes, not always

[violin957]

ahhhh, thanks for the clarification. I see what your saying with the emotion between Wieniawski and other composers now and I agree with you.

I don't think the part about a person's Brahms blooming fully until an older age is true. In international violin competitions, which you must play music like the Beethoven and the Brahms, it has shown that the age group within 18 to 21 years old of so is more likely to win.

[dga471]

Wait until the guy is like 30 years old, assuming he's on the right track, then compare his Brahms to when he won the competition - assuming he's on the right track, it must be different. Look at the reviews of recordings made by musicians in their old age, like 70s or 80s - everyone keep saying there's always a certain kind of "wisdom" inside the music that younger people can't bring out, even though the technique might have gone down.

[violin957]

apples and oranges

[PapermoonCutout]

DIE DIE DIE

[CirrusMagus]

Either everyone is arrogant or decently good. I think it might be both.

[cockpitproductions]

Im about to learn this piece. Any advice on anything?

[saiyukiaoi]

;D I'm learning this piece right now too! I'm excited because its NOT Mendelssohn. :D

[ThaSchwab]

Why would you remove the ending? :(

[AXESHREDDER21]

Just started this piece. twill be quite a challenge

[jmuzic77]

I, too, know a girl studying at Juilliard that has played this before at 15/14. We are in the same orchestra and the same age so, needless to say, I'm slightly intimidated. I was not fortunate enough to start at a young age like 4. I started in the public school system at 8 and didn't study privately untill 11. I consider it a great accomplishment that I might do Bruch soon.

[jmuzic77]

Point is, even though I can't play this yet b/c I didn't start when I was 4, its determination and talent that makes a violinist good.

[saiyukiaoi]

Starting at 4 does help though... alot of instinctive things develop.

the bruch will be very helpful to you, it's an important gateway song. :)

[charlotteviolin]

@jmuzic77 play this too it´s tecnically really easy but musically soooo difficult!!! (okay i play violin since 10 years but i still can´t play this musically perfect!)

[welkkom]

@charlotteviolin I think that it's musically really easy, you must just feel the music <3 n_n.. I really like to play this peace, it's so beautifull.. but, technically I think it's not difficul but also not easy n_n, but I am 13 year old, maybe that's why... x3..

but, I love this peace<3, and when I play it, I just can feel the music n_n<3 that's why I love it to play this peace n_n

[charlotteviolin]

@welkkom i´m 14 and its tecnically really easy.. well i don´t know how long you`re practising so... but musically it´s difficult and if you´ve got fun with it and if you feel the music i just can congratulate you =) cause it´s for many people difficult to feel the music =) i love this peace too =) =) =)

[proviolist]

Im gonna transpose this for viola!! Anyone care to help?? hehe

[RattledGoldRush]

Down a 5th

[ffmandal]

Have all you violinist learned that just playing it is not the answer at 15 years old! Please explain your approach at timbre, musicianship, and phrasing. Rabin nailed it. It is just not about the friggin notes....

[poseuresque]

friggin amen to that. i get tired off all the little kids on youtube miming the grown ups and masters. "look mommy me play just like they do!"

No. you just look like a monkey making fun of something beautiful.

[AXESHREDDER21]

well we all gotta start somewhere

[charlotteviolin]

@poseuresque agree =)

[OriginalMoonbeam]

It's heartening to learn of so many young people who are working on this piece. Congratulations to each of you and best wishes for success. Michael Rabin's performance is a great one to listen to and snag pointers. You'll probably return to this Concerto again and again as your style and playing develops. It makes me smile to think of you all practicing so diligently!!!! Keep up the good work!!!!

[JackieMusicRose]

I agree with some opinions, this piece requires a lot of emotion, but my fourteen year old friend is playing it, and so is another girl at MSV. They're both extremely talented violinists and play really well. I still think to play this you would need to be also thinking of the technical AND emotional aspects to this concerto. I'm writing a piano concerto right now, i look up to pieces like this. Crazy77town, please chill :) Go Wieniawski, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninov, Sarasate and Mascagni! :D

[crazy77town]

when we are talking about playing we are talking about P E R F O R M A N C E !!!!!!!! not just scratching in front of our parents... if anyone is really proud for having scracthed in the age of 10 or 14 in front of his parents wieniavksy or even bruch, which accuires LOADS of stuff well done to him/her....but i cannot really keep on this kind of discussion o amatuers.. in the age of 15 a kid knows very little things about violin, and he just finds to find out the music emotional-wise

[KrnGangzta]

This is the current piece that I have been learning, it has been 6 months now but I STILL can not master the run at 2:00. Honestly, how does one's fingers move that fast?

[joobloo237]

lolz, that runs liek the easiest one in the whole concerto

its ridiculously hard

enjoyyy XD

[KrnGangzta]

Have you played it? I fail to see how it can be considered as the easiest run.

[fraggleferret]

That fingered octave run IS very hard. Don't give up! Practice scales in fingered octaves, and when they get good, add various rhythms to the fingered octave scales and increase the speed. That should train up those fingered octaves pretty well! Then do the same on the actual run in the piece - practice in rhythms, gradually increasing speed. And if all else fails and you have to perform it, just take the bottom notes out!

[KrnGangzta]

Thanks, will do. :D

[ssmfrocks]

that is VERY good advice

thank you

im playing the piece also, and although i am not having TOO much difficulty on this run, it is really frustrating and im sure when i perform ill be anxious when that run comes. thanks for your advice!! it helps so much.

[ninjax456456]

You can say its better for Heifetz.

[popminer]

who are we to argue who can and can not play a piece?

this is ridiculous.

i have high respects for ANYONE at ANY AGE who can play this piece--for it is difficult, i know first hand.

[joobloo237]

also anybody that tries to put emotion into their playing will think that they play with emotion, not that i doubt md25222s ability but i dont think that talking about ur own ability to put feelings into music can mean much

[joobloo237]

w0w im 15 and im having a difficult time with this piece, just a few lines and technical stuff here and there

any1 know where i can find a vid of some1 playing it, not just sound?

not that this isnt a great recording but id liek to see a few things

[johntomfoolery]

As Menuhin said, emotions are most pure in children. I think children play many of these pieces even better than adults because their emotional palette has not been watered down by cynicism and the difficulties of living. Each emotion is in a much more pure form and comes across that way in the music. It is ridiculous to say that children can't play emotionally charged pieces. I agree that the only ones who feel that way are those who are jealous that they can't emote as well as a child.

[DualThunder]

despite what you say, there must be a certain line drawn as to what you define as a child. I would say that 'adolescent' is more accurate. Many children cannot express such emotions because they simply do not know what it feels like to, for example, lose a loved one, or experience overwhelming joy to the point of tears. These experiences and extremes can only be greater understood when the musician is of an age in which they are aware, yet still under the securities of living with parents, etc.

[MD25222]

Hey Crazy77town, im 13 and i can play this piece perfectly. just because someone is young dosent mean they suck at a difficult piece or cant play with emotions. Its probably just u who couldnt play the tecniques right...

[muzz100]

Said with the true confidence of a child but also with the same predictable lack of humility. There is no such thing as playing a piece "perfectly". If the "perfect" performance existed and was attainable, there would be no point in anybody learning the violin. Good for you for having self-confidence, but be careful. Over the next few years, that confidence will be tested by life`s hard knocks and your playing will be the better for it, if you are open to learning from them.

[Ciryanroth]

Crazy, I'm disagree. People of age fourteen can have the right of playing the Wieniawski-people. I agree, in that expression of emotion and style come with maturity. However, it's also possible that Crazy is struggling to play the piece and violin girl has it easy, I personally just think it's a great piece to play-I woudn't call it an easy or very hard piece. It's certainly one of the more difficult concertos but certainly not one prohibited from young artists. Watch videos of the masters at 13

[joaopaulodoviolino]

Amazing...

[phobosanomoly]

I cant play, but I ve just bought a violin - and this is why, no other instrument sounds so achingly beautiful - I can only hope to play one day - thanks for posting this, its fantastic.

[Duendeflamenco]

What kind of violin did you buy?

[Duendeflamenco]

Magnificent violinist of our time. Sadly enough he died much too young, but we can still enjoy and admire his playing.

Thank you for posting this lovely piece!

[legman36]

Rabin had the most incredible technique combined with the most expressive tone imaginable making him (for me) the perfect violinist, or at least the closest thing to the perfect violinist that I can conceive.

[theViolinDreamer]

Rabin's playing is so expressive, emotional.There's just so much to learn from this great master.So pitty he died so early.

[AznLanceLord]

He took drugs or something i think

[violingirl1994]

that peace is sooo hard and he plays it so wonderful...i study it at the moment and i'm getting crazy because of all those difficulties...how does he do it that he plays technical so perfect but also with so much emotion???? i think until i will be able to play it like that i'm 100 years old^^

[crazy77town]

in ur twenties u ll be able to do it if u work hard....

[violingirl1994]

twenties???

well, i have practised it very very hard...it's not as difficult as i thought!

[crazy77town]

dont get so easily excited...it is not just about the notes but the expression I am sure u dont have for this concerto at the age of 14, neither the technique on the right!!!! so in 19-20 u ll be perfect with the same work u say u do for this concerto, and hopefully the 1st of wieniawski....

[violingirl1994]

oh, i didn't just play the notes...

i played with emotion and expressions!!! just because i'm 13 it doesn't mean that i can't play with emotion!!!

and i know very well that i don't play it perfect (nobody does!!!) but i also don't just play the notes boring and stupid without any expressions!!!

[crazy77town]

this is what u say, but u have to ask ur audiences opinion...i am sure u have emotions inside u that u want to take out, that's y u play classic music! u wouldnt otherwise, but if it was so easy to do it in 13 noone would need 10 years at least to master violin...and finally u never master!!!even in 50!!u learn all the time

u are not able technically and mind-wise to express on ur violin such feelings and let the others to understand them...not u sweety, noone in the world in 13

[DualThunder]

a certain degree of highly technical ability can most certainly be reached by the age of 13. By the age of 16 violinists such as heifetz reached a very high level of skill + ability. u dont need to master the violin to play wieniawski. you only need a certain level of ability. then depending on how well you evoke emotions, depends on your performance. i admit 13 is just about too young to fully grasp emtional feelings and concepts within music, however that isnt to say they cant play the music.

[Haavvok]

I agree, Dual. Wieniawski is more demanding in musicality and emotion in comparison to technique. Not saying that the piece is simple- it's not- but emotional complexions are of high grade. I'm sure many 13 year olds CAN pull it off well, but they will certainly pull it off BETTER when they come back to it in a few years.

[AXESHREDDER21]

i tried it when i was 13. couldnt do it. but im tryin to do it again 3 years later. i guess it all depends on the violinist

[saiyukiaoi]

you should try doing bruch violin concerto in g first, and mozart in g. It'll make it easier.

[cockpitproductions]

Thanks. I've played the Mozart. I'll think about trying Bruch. Good luck on the piece.

[AXESHREDDER21]

ive done those already. my teacher wants me to learn this so i can hav it "in my arsenal" as she calls it. its fun. thanks for the tip though

[saiyukiaoi]

I see... mine too, even though I should be doing harder songs. :( But this is good too. Not my favorite, but i can deal with it.

[melomansarasatiste]

not twenties??

Then why I played it at 16

[crazy77town]

the fact that u can play in tune doesnt mean that u can express the feelings or many little details that the composer needs...

music is all about the little details

[melomansarasatiste]

yess and I wanted to say this, this piece contains many figures and many feelings different and complicated feelings, and that's y until now it remains the most difficult and the most intense one for me

[fraggleferret]

Twenties? This concerto is NOT considered very difficult. Many students first major romantic concerto is Bruch, followed by Wieniawski no. 2. I myself played it at 12, and that wasn't considered young at all, but then that's compared to other Juilliard students, but still, this concerto is not difficult compared to most of the other big violin concerti

[crazy77town]

ooh my goodness, I have really read so many posts for just a thing i have said!! Please do me the favour not to talk as if u are a prodigy child!! "I MYSELF PLAYED IT AT 12..."

And what do u think, that playing it in that age u have the tune u are SUPPOSED to have in romantics? and the octaves as well? Am sure they didnt even be clear enough...and it is the logical thing for this age.

so from now on please anyone do me the favour not to think to much of himself as if he has played in 12 or 5!!

[charlotteviolin]

@crazy77town yeah!!!! you can´t play this in the age of 12 or 5! okay technically maybee but if you try to play it musically... no! it´s one of the real romantic pieces and you can´t get this if you´re 12! i can play this tecnically too of course but it´s so difficult to make it sound good! and i play the violin since 10 years and i still can´t play this musically perfect!!! and sry for my english =) it´s weard i know =) sry

[Eejhunator]

@crazy77town so true, the mark of a real master of violin is the fact that he does not brag about his skill, but lets other people marvel at it instead. No idea what people try to achieve when they state they have played this piece at 13,12 ...... Dont be complacent, dont brag, practice hard and let your actions speak instead.

[hubertypuberty]

@crazy77town i was born with a violin in my arms out of my mother's womb. i heard this piece on the radio while lying in my hospital bed. i memorized this beautiful song and learned to play it by the time i was fed that evening.....it really isn't that hard. i'm no prodigy, i'm sure you could do it too.

[MadAuralSkills]

@crazy77town It doesn't matter how old you are when you play this concerto, you will never, ever sound as good as Michael Rabin. He owns this concerto, just as Oistrakh owns the Sibelius, and Kogan owns the Beethoven. You can have the fastest fingers in the world, but without a unique tone, what is the point?

[crazy77town]

@MadAuralSkills this is exactly what I was talking about! However I was refering to a descent romantic play with all the musicιanship you are supposed to express playing that concerto, and not playing better than Rabin or so whatever....impossible!

besides I dont like comparisons in music, anyone interpretes in his own unique way and this is why classics do not die hundrends of years after their birth!

my only objection would be about who owns Sibeliust.... for me it's Kavakos :)

[JackieMusicRose]

Hey Violingirl1994, consider me PianoGirl1995, my friend, who's fourteen and another fourteen year old girl i know are both playing the Wieniawski. The real trick to this piece is combining technical skill and emotional sesitivity. I'm a composer, i could only dream of writing a violin concerto like that :) Goodluck with the Wieniawski.

[michaelrabinthebest]

Rabin's RULES

[takamori400]

This is just so beautiful, and amazing interpritation, clear sounds of violin. Superbe!!

[eurodealing]

Great! He is the one of the best players! Has heart!Thanks!

[prodigyboy10]

OMG this guy's playing is flawless! If he had lived long enough, he probably would have succeeded Heifetz. *Sigh* His life ended so tragically...

[takamori400]

Yes, I think that he would be like Heifetz or better violinist. It is so sad that he passed away so young...

[cogermax91]

S U P E R B E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[M666M666]

RABIN IS SIMPLY GREAT

[stradivari08]

OmG, this is absolutely amazing!

[MichaelRabinMemoriam]

who rated 2 stars??

Was he of mind??