Whether by design or coincidence the costs of the Vietnam War was used as justification to go off the gold standard of US currency.
A research paper by the federal reserve had previously acknowledged that doing so would lead inflation and eventually the likely loss of reserve currency status of the dollar.
The fed is listed as a private corporation. The US tax payers pay INTEREST to a cartel of private banks for their country going into debt. It amounts to well over a trillion annually i
Its funny how many times leaders have told us what might be a good direction for the country and the people still allow them to conduct business the way they want
Honest presidents admit that the Pentagon is beyond their control. Perhaps, that's why Eisenhower warned the American public of the danger posed by the Military-Industrial Complex...
Ike was a good and honorable man, an old school millitary man. Duty. Honor.Country. When he became president he was out flanked by less then honorable men. He was a product of the late 19th century. Honest and open.He was not from a ruling class family. The Dark Shadows of post WW2 America surrounded him and most likely lied to him. Im sure Ike knew he was in deep shit and was surrounded by Govt. sharks, and the best he could do would be stay alive and be a thorn in the MICs ass. RIP Ike.
@klumberg Not necessarily, we burned a lot of money in the last ten years, and for what? a few drops of oil? No. People pursue it for their own purposes, and quiet often their interests intertwine with what they believe their countries' interests are, and with any luck they stumble upon a "just cause" to make them feel better about their actions.
@millamulisha because the CCCP had a reputation of having limited freedom of religion, and that would be another reason why people could (and would) disagreed with them. always look for problems in systems that you don't want your country to adopt, not very nice but it worked.
Bad, if you consider that he did nothing to openly stop McCarthy, authorizing U-2 flights over Russia, and allowing the CIA to destroy Mossadeq's progressive Iran, and plan the invasion of Castro's Cuba. Good points. But it is interesting that Ike was so worried about the strength of the military-industrial complex......
Its treible what this nation has come to. We have become EXACTLY what we "supposedy" stand against. The saddest part of all, is that the "ruling class" who control everything have such tight grip on our lives/future that I dont see any possible way of stopping it.
likewise. these are important speeches for our time. what is warned about here is what has become reality now. we are slaves people. think about it carefully. think about money debt and the power it has. the power that we, the people, have given it. it can be done differently, only we have to want and allow it.
How the hell do we the people stop the military/industrial complex?? If knew I would jump feet first into whatever i could do to help stop these Bastards.. they are raping the world and its people and they've been doing it for over 50 years.. why hasn't anyone done anything about this? Why do we as people continue to stay divided and mum on the very subjects that would change our entire way of life for the better? the biggest weapon the MIC has against the people? media and pop culture.
How the hell do we the people stop the military/industrial complex?? If knew I would jump feet first into whatever i could do to help stop these Bastards.. they are raping the world and its people and they've been doing it for over 50 years.. why hasn't anyone done anything about this? Why do we as people continue to stay divided and mum on the very subjects that would change our entire way of life for the better? the biggest weapon the MIC has against the people? media and pop culture.
THIS is why support for the troops is so foolish. Not that there is anything wrong with supporting the troops, but NEVER at the expense of the wellbeing of the nation as a whole.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
I hope Obama has at least seen this speech. War has become a very profitable business. One of they main pursuits of Alchemy was to turn lead into gold, yet our so called "Private Military Contractors" (aka: Tax-Funded Mercenaries) have discovered that turning lead into gold is easy. Just do the jobs our soldiers should be doing, for more money, and without a chain of command. Money is the root of all evil.
We cannot blame anything or anyone for the evil amonst us other then ourselves. (the following isnt pointed solely at you) Neither god or money has anything to do with the evil in us humans, they are mere tools. Human intelligence is to blame, the ability to see personal gain in others suffering etc. What we humans lack is wisdom and proper reason.:D
But yes I hope Obama has heard this speech and that he can change the future for the better.
actually I think quite a few get a real grip on his speech, like when dwight goes "give nothing for granted, be aware, participate"... the people OWNING us actually take that into account when they perfected the little machine that makes us all into zombies and let them f*** us
You are correct.. our problem is that it is waaay to late to stop them. Ike warned us & told JFK.. in depth, of the monster jerking the strings. Once the military-industry-cia complex murdered JFK & RFK. JFK couldn't stop them... even though he had quite a bit of power & help. Alas.. it was no match.
When did it stop being a requirement for American presidents to actually know how to speak-and on issues? Listening to this is so depressing. Think about how low our standards for electing a president has gone down.
I completely agree. But it's not only the case for presidents but for society in general at that time. If you could listen to an american Bishop, univ. president, all the way down the line you would hear the same difference. BRING CLASSICAL EDUCATION BACK! This is the most important differences between officers like Eisenhower were educated and ourselves. Far too many of todays leaders in USA today are little more than social parasites, they serve no social function for the common good.
I disagree with that. I do not think that education is the main reason why people fail to face the needs of our time. I rather believe that our surroundings take a much bigger part in it. All this stupidity being spread throughout the nation and we begin feeding our childing with this stuff at a very early age...
This was different in "the old days" but would it be better to have those old days back? Of course not!!! We have to learn to deal with the fact that time has changed and face it.
The downward curve of American education correlates perfectly with the discovery of new knowledge that would facilitate the evolution of humankind.
We're being duped into stupidity, lust, fear laziness and complacency directly because the "authorities" know that enough information exists today to put an end to poverty and starvation and abolish warfare altogether forever.
Warfare has always been the most profitable business in human history. Research depopulation, eugenics, Mike Ruppert.
Conflict is the natural state of man, there will always be war and those who seek to gain from it. There are three basic types of people. Individuals, sheep, and those who exploit the sheep. As long as the sheep are the overwhelming majority mankind will never change.
"The Truth hurts"...That's why you get marked as a bad comment.Jesus spoke in allegories.The lion and the lamb he spoke of were two of the types of people you listed.The sheep don't like being called sheep,that's why they like heroes(individuals).It's easier to imagine you're the hero than admit you're one of the sheep.
This place is infested with Marxist/Socialist morons, so getting marked badly is pretty much expected. We need more Libertarians in this country who care about things other than pot smoking. The GOP has clearly abandoned Conservatives and Libertarians now.
Libertarians are closest to being Jeffersonian Democrats,in my eyes.And I believe that's where we need to head as a country.Too many of our fellow citizens,though,are blindly following the lead of the news media.Walter Cronkite used to end his news shows with "And that's the way it is" Too many people listen to what the news has to say and think that that's just the way it is.
An excerpt of this speech opens Oliver Stone's JFK. According to the "Colonel X" character, "The organizing principle of any society is for war. The authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers."
Military suppliers profit off of war. The Gulf of Tonkin lie "justified" Vietnam and made a boatload of money. Even the Cold War racked up profits in nukes & delivery systems. Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War in his second term. And look what happened to him...
I think the bad things he presided over had a lot to do with this speech. He knew Prescott Bush very well. He may not have known about his Nazi connections, which really only came to light in 2003, but he must have had some serious misgivings about him and the proto-CIA bunch.
Amazing how much he got right. I sent a letter to Obermann suggesting that he air this speech to the American public, and it be played out loud to ALL of the Congress. There are many words of wisdom here. Could I suggest a modification to this presentation that might make even more of an impact...a flowing banner of text across the screen during the speech, but not the entire text. Rather just some of the excerpts, as they are so relevant to the situations we find ourselves in today
Twice,in public speeches,and once,to JFK as they traded offices,Ike said,"Vietnam is the wrong war,in the wrong place,for all the wrong reasons." And,as a man of war,he was one to know.Once Ike was out,forces worked to get us deeper and deeper into that war.After JFK was dead,they got exactly what they wanted.
We actually got into it at the same time we got into Korea.During the Truman years.We call bothe Korea and Vietnam "wars".We went at the behest of the UN,who called Korea and Vietnam "peace-keeping effort police actions.
MacArthur wasn't a "politician soldier".like Ike or Marshall.He was more like Patton.And,he'd also been involved in Korea(where we were "entrenched" for far longer than in Vietnam)He knew Vietnam could easily be a long,drawn out affair that we might lose.WWII not only needed great men,to be won,but men who could see the lay of the land before getting there.We needed men like Patton and MacArthur around,before we got ourselves into this "War On Terror".
Patton said we should have continued WWII and invaded Russia, it would have been intersting if FDR and Congress were listening to him. Too bad FDR was more worried about getting socialism entrenched here instead.
Patton didn't see much difference between Hitler and Stalin.And historic hindsight is;that he was not wrong to think so.Stalin,and Mao in China,were both way worse than Hitler and his mob.Another historic hindsight,of mine at least,is that there were probably some who were relieved when Patton had his car accident.
Ron Paul made a questionable point in the recent debate that Republicans have a traditionally non-interventionist foreign policy. Granted, Eisenhower pulled troops out of Korea. But it was under his administration that the CIA began its "covert operations", first by deposing Mossadeq in Iran and then Arbenz in Guatemala, both democratically elected leaders. This was not a non-interventionist foreign policy.
That's a good point. People have marveled at how prescient Ike was in this address. The fact is, he knew about the emerging military-industrial complex because he worked with them: Alan Dulles, Prescott Bush, and even George H. W. Bush. Ron Paul's point was that the Republicans have won on anti-war platforms. They have not always been true to their promises. The worst offender was George W. Bush.
Eisenhower warned as he went out, and JFK wrestled with the M.I.C. when they wanted to try a false flag stunt with Cuba, and he told MacNamara he wasn't going to do it, and to tell the CIA to back off.
the most chilling speech a president has ever given!its like he foresaw what the u.s. would turn into!the monster it is now!lets change before we have the rest of the world turn against us!
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sudokcd 5 months ago
Whether by design or coincidence the costs of the Vietnam War was used as justification to go off the gold standard of US currency.
A research paper by the federal reserve had previously acknowledged that doing so would lead inflation and eventually the likely loss of reserve currency status of the dollar.
The fed is listed as a private corporation. The US tax payers pay INTEREST to a cartel of private banks for their country going into debt. It amounts to well over a trillion annually i
sudokcd 5 months ago
the only person who dislikes this is stalin
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Futurecop2012E 9 months ago
Its funny how many times leaders have told us what might be a good direction for the country and the people still allow them to conduct business the way they want
mustakraakish 9 months ago
Honest presidents admit that the Pentagon is beyond their control. Perhaps, that's why Eisenhower warned the American public of the danger posed by the Military-Industrial Complex...
gyoza007 10 months ago
This made a lot of conspiracy theorists get to work finding a new "global economic control conspiracy"
Clarkesque 11 months ago
Ike was a good and honorable man, an old school millitary man. Duty. Honor.Country. When he became president he was out flanked by less then honorable men. He was a product of the late 19th century. Honest and open.He was not from a ruling class family. The Dark Shadows of post WW2 America surrounded him and most likely lied to him. Im sure Ike knew he was in deep shit and was surrounded by Govt. sharks, and the best he could do would be stay alive and be a thorn in the MICs ass. RIP Ike.
kadennis66 1 year ago
War is profitable, and we ceaselessly pursue it.
klumberg 1 year ago
@klumberg Not necessarily, we burned a lot of money in the last ten years, and for what? a few drops of oil? No. People pursue it for their own purposes, and quiet often their interests intertwine with what they believe their countries' interests are, and with any luck they stumble upon a "just cause" to make them feel better about their actions.
Clarkesque 11 months ago
"atheistic in character" - why is that a bad thing, ugh...
millamulisha 1 year ago
@millamulisha because the CCCP had a reputation of having limited freedom of religion, and that would be another reason why people could (and would) disagreed with them. always look for problems in systems that you don't want your country to adopt, not very nice but it worked.
Clarkesque 11 months ago
@millamulisha ...because man can't truly progress without reverence for God and his generous blessings.
britishjohn04 10 months ago
@britishjohn04
Implying man is compleatly incapable of perpetuating the seeds of his own blessings...
Atheists and theists need to stop hating for no real reason, were both faiths, cant proove jack or squat in terms of our relative stances...
We perceive nature as maleable and unconscious.
You perceive it as maleable through nature's consciousness[IE god]. Not much of a big difference...
WoodlandRavah 9 months ago
@breaks0 Which actions do you consider to have been "bad"?
MercierBradleyMichae 1 year ago
Bad, if you consider that he did nothing to openly stop McCarthy, authorizing U-2 flights over Russia, and allowing the CIA to destroy Mossadeq's progressive Iran, and plan the invasion of Castro's Cuba. Good points. But it is interesting that Ike was so worried about the strength of the military-industrial complex......
MrSunlander 1 year ago
Its treible what this nation has come to. We have become EXACTLY what we "supposedy" stand against. The saddest part of all, is that the "ruling class" who control everything have such tight grip on our lives/future that I dont see any possible way of stopping it.
DunShootPlz 1 year ago
likewise. these are important speeches for our time. what is warned about here is what has become reality now. we are slaves people. think about it carefully. think about money debt and the power it has. the power that we, the people, have given it. it can be done differently, only we have to want and allow it.
itchy8me 1 year ago
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How the hell do we the people stop the military/industrial complex?? If knew I would jump feet first into whatever i could do to help stop these Bastards.. they are raping the world and its people and they've been doing it for over 50 years.. why hasn't anyone done anything about this? Why do we as people continue to stay divided and mum on the very subjects that would change our entire way of life for the better? the biggest weapon the MIC has against the people? media and pop culture.
CrazyKing570 1 year ago
How the hell do we the people stop the military/industrial complex?? If knew I would jump feet first into whatever i could do to help stop these Bastards.. they are raping the world and its people and they've been doing it for over 50 years.. why hasn't anyone done anything about this? Why do we as people continue to stay divided and mum on the very subjects that would change our entire way of life for the better? the biggest weapon the MIC has against the people? media and pop culture.
CrazyKing570 1 year ago
Sadly, the US government has been bought out by corporations. Ike warned us, and we didn't listen.
notparistexas 1 year ago
best speach ever almost prophetic
thetenet 2 years ago
wise men don't exist in government...
slobb666 2 years ago
@slobb666 oh, they're wise alright. just not very nice.
wyrda222 1 year ago
If the military is so bad, then why are their uniforms so hot?
Makron5 2 years ago
THIS is why support for the troops is so foolish. Not that there is anything wrong with supporting the troops, but NEVER at the expense of the wellbeing of the nation as a whole.
gpciie 2 years ago
Very good video. Thanks for posting.
swirlcrop 2 years ago
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
khallaghi 3 years ago
he warned us but theres still nothing we can do
krinkls 3 years ago
Arguably the most important speech of the 20th century.
kajoodle123 3 years ago
Yet sadly one that has been forgotten and what he warned us about has been allowed to come to pass within the strongest western country.
Wish the world would once again listen to his words.
lordcrapalot 3 years ago
I hope Obama has at least seen this speech. War has become a very profitable business. One of they main pursuits of Alchemy was to turn lead into gold, yet our so called "Private Military Contractors" (aka: Tax-Funded Mercenaries) have discovered that turning lead into gold is easy. Just do the jobs our soldiers should be doing, for more money, and without a chain of command. Money is the root of all evil.
kajoodle123 3 years ago
We cannot blame anything or anyone for the evil amonst us other then ourselves. (the following isnt pointed solely at you) Neither god or money has anything to do with the evil in us humans, they are mere tools. Human intelligence is to blame, the ability to see personal gain in others suffering etc. What we humans lack is wisdom and proper reason.:D
But yes I hope Obama has heard this speech and that he can change the future for the better.
lordcrapalot 3 years ago
actually I think quite a few get a real grip on his speech, like when dwight goes "give nothing for granted, be aware, participate"... the people OWNING us actually take that into account when they perfected the little machine that makes us all into zombies and let them f*** us
44kilo 2 years ago
You are correct.. our problem is that it is waaay to late to stop them. Ike warned us & told JFK.. in depth, of the monster jerking the strings. Once the military-industry-cia complex murdered JFK & RFK. JFK couldn't stop them... even though he had quite a bit of power & help. Alas.. it was no match.
Century25 2 years ago
Wise men dont exist in our government anymore
speakman7 3 years ago
Google:
'Online Library of Liberty.'
'Liberty Library of Constitutional Classics.'
wrb1957 3 years ago
When did it stop being a requirement for American presidents to actually know how to speak-and on issues? Listening to this is so depressing. Think about how low our standards for electing a president has gone down.
sfldd 3 years ago
I completely agree. But it's not only the case for presidents but for society in general at that time. If you could listen to an american Bishop, univ. president, all the way down the line you would hear the same difference. BRING CLASSICAL EDUCATION BACK! This is the most important differences between officers like Eisenhower were educated and ourselves. Far too many of todays leaders in USA today are little more than social parasites, they serve no social function for the common good.
bdweightexer 3 years ago
I disagree with that. I do not think that education is the main reason why people fail to face the needs of our time. I rather believe that our surroundings take a much bigger part in it. All this stupidity being spread throughout the nation and we begin feeding our childing with this stuff at a very early age...
This was different in "the old days" but would it be better to have those old days back? Of course not!!! We have to learn to deal with the fact that time has changed and face it.
oC6qB 3 years ago
The downward curve of American education correlates perfectly with the discovery of new knowledge that would facilitate the evolution of humankind.
We're being duped into stupidity, lust, fear laziness and complacency directly because the "authorities" know that enough information exists today to put an end to poverty and starvation and abolish warfare altogether forever.
Warfare has always been the most profitable business in human history. Research depopulation, eugenics, Mike Ruppert.
Polyphemus08x 3 years ago
good
fredericksikes 3 years ago
wow thumbs up to you JiveDadson for putting this up thanks!!!!!
bstep13 4 years ago
"Those who foolishy sought power by riding the back of the tiger wound up inside."
-John F. Kennedy
lyden2006 4 years ago
Military Industrial Complex then:
military+war= money for industry
Now:
military+war=money for industry= money for congressional and presidential elections= more wars.
When war becomes profitable we will see more of it.
rmrm1mrmr 4 years ago 5
Conflict is the natural state of man, there will always be war and those who seek to gain from it. There are three basic types of people. Individuals, sheep, and those who exploit the sheep. As long as the sheep are the overwhelming majority mankind will never change.
AKlover 4 years ago
"The Truth hurts"...That's why you get marked as a bad comment.Jesus spoke in allegories.The lion and the lamb he spoke of were two of the types of people you listed.The sheep don't like being called sheep,that's why they like heroes(individuals).It's easier to imagine you're the hero than admit you're one of the sheep.
Taranau 3 years ago
This place is infested with Marxist/Socialist morons, so getting marked badly is pretty much expected. We need more Libertarians in this country who care about things other than pot smoking. The GOP has clearly abandoned Conservatives and Libertarians now.
AKlover 3 years ago
Libertarians are closest to being Jeffersonian Democrats,in my eyes.And I believe that's where we need to head as a country.Too many of our fellow citizens,though,are blindly following the lead of the news media.Walter Cronkite used to end his news shows with "And that's the way it is" Too many people listen to what the news has to say and think that that's just the way it is.
Taranau 3 years ago
@rmrm1mrmr so fn tru
wheresjizzle 8 months ago
no doubt Zug, no doubt.. it's sad how people don't realize just how on spot Ike was.
That's when the country died - with JFK.. Ike's warning was manifested.
bolognium420 4 years ago 5
I bet Ike is turning in his grave right now...
ZugBub 4 years ago 9
An excerpt of this speech opens Oliver Stone's JFK. According to the "Colonel X" character, "The organizing principle of any society is for war. The authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers."
Military suppliers profit off of war. The Gulf of Tonkin lie "justified" Vietnam and made a boatload of money. Even the Cold War racked up profits in nukes & delivery systems. Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War in his second term. And look what happened to him...
christineglamazon 4 years ago
In future, please be aware that I delete comments with "bad words" that are pretty tame by today's standards.
JiveDadson 4 years ago
I think the bad things he presided over had a lot to do with this speech. He knew Prescott Bush very well. He may not have known about his Nazi connections, which really only came to light in 2003, but he must have had some serious misgivings about him and the proto-CIA bunch.
JiveDadson 4 years ago
Watch this over and over!
This is MANA! Eat this up!
noselfnoproblemo 4 years ago 2
Amazing how much he got right. I sent a letter to Obermann suggesting that he air this speech to the American public, and it be played out loud to ALL of the Congress. There are many words of wisdom here. Could I suggest a modification to this presentation that might make even more of an impact...a flowing banner of text across the screen during the speech, but not the entire text. Rather just some of the excerpts, as they are so relevant to the situations we find ourselves in today
concernedpatriot 4 years ago
We like Ike! Our SCOD "Dear YOUTUBE" Letter is a Tribute and a Challenge to YOUTUBE Inc.
SCODgreenhood 4 years ago
Twice,in public speeches,and once,to JFK as they traded offices,Ike said,"Vietnam is the wrong war,in the wrong place,for all the wrong reasons." And,as a man of war,he was one to know.Once Ike was out,forces worked to get us deeper and deeper into that war.After JFK was dead,they got exactly what they wanted.
Taranau 4 years ago
I thought that they got into that war with Kennedy
paulagloria 4 years ago
We actually got into it at the same time we got into Korea.During the Truman years.We call bothe Korea and Vietnam "wars".We went at the behest of the UN,who called Korea and Vietnam "peace-keeping effort police actions.
Taranau 4 years ago
Kennedy wanted out. Kennedy was the ultimate whistle blower. Why do you think he was shot?
doubleaamazin 4 years ago
MacArther also warned JFK to avoid the quagmire of Vietnam. He had died about that same time. Great men were needed to win WWII.
When the war was over the politicians didn't want the any more.
tomrdee 4 years ago
MacArthur wasn't a "politician soldier".like Ike or Marshall.He was more like Patton.And,he'd also been involved in Korea(where we were "entrenched" for far longer than in Vietnam)He knew Vietnam could easily be a long,drawn out affair that we might lose.WWII not only needed great men,to be won,but men who could see the lay of the land before getting there.We needed men like Patton and MacArthur around,before we got ourselves into this "War On Terror".
Taranau 4 years ago
are "entrenched", were still in Korea!
LuckyDutch9 4 years ago
Patton said we should have continued WWII and invaded Russia, it would have been intersting if FDR and Congress were listening to him. Too bad FDR was more worried about getting socialism entrenched here instead.
AKlover 3 years ago
Patton didn't see much difference between Hitler and Stalin.And historic hindsight is;that he was not wrong to think so.Stalin,and Mao in China,were both way worse than Hitler and his mob.Another historic hindsight,of mine at least,is that there were probably some who were relieved when Patton had his car accident.
Taranau 3 years ago
Ron Paul made a questionable point in the recent debate that Republicans have a traditionally non-interventionist foreign policy. Granted, Eisenhower pulled troops out of Korea. But it was under his administration that the CIA began its "covert operations", first by deposing Mossadeq in Iran and then Arbenz in Guatemala, both democratically elected leaders. This was not a non-interventionist foreign policy.
corcman19 4 years ago
That's a good point. People have marveled at how prescient Ike was in this address. The fact is, he knew about the emerging military-industrial complex because he worked with them: Alan Dulles, Prescott Bush, and even George H. W. Bush. Ron Paul's point was that the Republicans have won on anti-war platforms. They have not always been true to their promises. The worst offender was George W. Bush.
JiveDadson 4 years ago
I wish everyone would wake up and see what is on the horizon. Act, dont sit and bitch and hope someone else acts.
nightflame2002 4 years ago
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ccvtee 4 years ago
Go to whywefight dot com
Very good film. Watch the trailer (link at the top). Watch the film too.
jckvt 4 years ago
He was probably talking about the soviets..
Renegen1 4 years ago
The truth is powerful get Ron Paul in office!
Jamsie567 4 years ago
Eisenhower warned as he went out, and JFK wrestled with the M.I.C. when they wanted to try a false flag stunt with Cuba, and he told MacNamara he wasn't going to do it, and to tell the CIA to back off.
vigilance77 4 years ago
Very cool! Thanks 4 posting! He was a Prophet!
benbur69 4 years ago
Vote! Eisenhower 08!
Budvb 4 years ago
Or you can join the new American Revolution... Vote Ron Paul 2008!
barnroad 4 years ago
the most chilling speech a president has ever given!its like he foresaw what the u.s. would turn into!the monster it is now!lets change before we have the rest of the world turn against us!
cocodapitbull 4 years ago
Thanks for sharing!
smallgovisbest 4 years ago
Thanks
Elk2020 4 years ago
Thanks for posting these.
jeremiahp 4 years ago