By.FlaSh vs Lomo[fOu], Set-2 @ MSL Quarter-Finals (Triple)

[Chrijz]

Thanks!

[ShakuganNoDango]

whats all this talk about cheese?

[fiskarensfisk]

cheese is when you do something cheap in the beginning (I think).

[Kanajashi]

Cheese is when you build you first barracks/gateway close to the enemy base or even inside their base area. Its actually less likely to be scouted early on.

[Joshbad4695]

actually kanajashi you are somewhat right.

But cheese actually refers to something "Cheesy"

A proxy, is what you explained, but cheese could also be late game, by doing other cheap or cheesy things.

[thedtiltriptide]

Cheese: An unorthodox, generally all-in strategy. If it works, you win and your opponent looks like an idiot. If it fails, you lose. Occasionally, games progress normally after a failed cheese.

[undieinglight]

This is the only video where I enjoyed the post-game analysis more than the game itself.

[Aggrobacillus]

I wonder if Flash could've gone for a base trade with a marine or two while Lomo didn't have those 5+ marines yet.

[foxdragoon84]

Looking back over that whole intense marine micro, I agree with Klazart but just by a small margin. Flash wasn't outmicroed, but that's not to say Lomo didn't do well. Lomo did have a slight numeric advantage most of the time, but not by much. It was pretty even all round, with both bunkers in the middle and no one going anywhere with marines alone.

[Tillysouth]

When you see the marine battle you see that Lomo is the one who is attacking and saying I can out micro you. Thats what diggity meant.

On the other hand, klaz is little right about that Flash could still build up and camp in the bunker. Then lomo would go from north, and then Flash could trap him from 2 sides, cuz his barracks were further north. That was the only mistake from Flash.

And I dont think that flash microed that well against the vultures. It was that Lomo didnt micro at all. GG

[messitup]

lol, i like how digty and kalzart argues.

i personally agree with kalzart

[Influenza91]

letsgolomo

[RealmEternal]

Lomo Fighting!

[bayoung1]

I agree with none of them. Lomo could easily walk above and around the firing range of the bunker and wipe out the SCV line, rendering Flash's bunker practically useless. Flash was smart to support his bunker by using his marines to hold back Lomo's forces.

Second, if there was enough resources and time for flash to go for 2-port cloaked wraiths, there was more than enough time to go for a siege tank. One tank, even without siege mode, could have held back Lomos vultures, goliaths, and marines.

[fcmwong]

MEDIATOR CHOLERA HWAITING!

[JensLyn7]

Lomo looks like such a punk. Go Flash!

[zabacinjsh]

interesting...

[Miikle89]

I love a good argument :)

[RaiKageRyu]

A very heated discussion there. Offered two very good sides.

[krodRATM]

I think flash should have sent his marines and all his scvs to his opponents base and just leave the bunk and 3-4 scvs before the fact was started.

[RelinquishedHeart]

i agree with diggity. scv + marines way out numbered lomo even with a higher marine count lomo has to move attack while not taking any damage from scvs on flashes side all he needed to do was push lomo away. still a awesome game and commentary

[Let4rgiCo]

basically I agree with klaz, ok flash was surely a little back economically after been cheesed...but maybe not that much, since he got his bunker to defend he could have just stayed there and wait there were still some chances plus u have to count that cheesing so fast sending out an scv while u have just 4 slow u down a lot

[RegaLSC]

Those were hot marines :D Best marine/marine action ever.

I wonder what Flash typed before he said GG?

[CHumga]

i think Flash was trying to take down the bunker and the barracks and end the siege.

[Qexen]

at the end of the game the players say two things. one is "gg" but what is the other ?

[Andy3427]

i love disagreement between the commentators ^_^

[HydroSquirrel]

Not a big fan of Lomo. He looks like a cocky little kid slappin his gum around. Flash is much more composed.

Awesome commentary - this is one hell of a trio!

[SchumannSC]

flash shoulda saved scvs and just made another bunker

[arthainius]

flash shoulda just pulled a jd and went for an enemy base elimination :D

[BenHileday]

Royal Flush ='s Emp on scanners then Nuclear LauncheS Detected.

[stuntmonk14]

Can you even EMP scanners? I thought it only worked on units? (EMP the all too rare shield batteries also?)

[lovelymanforu2004]

I dont think it will work with the scanner. Im not sure with the shield battery though.

[BenHileday]

Yep it works. Ive seen it and done aswell as tried it. I would assume it would work on sheild batteries aswell :)

[rabarbersnopp]

What an awesome game! I love it when these ultra-cheese starts dont finish the game immediately but still give a short, intense game.

I still think Flash's micro was better, especially when Lomo's vultures got out, really impressive. But he lost too many SVCs early on so it was hard for him to keep up macro-wise.

[kekekwon]

that wasnt ultra cheese ultra cheese is when you build a barracks right on the mineral line lmfao!

[Xbizkitl]

Gay cheese.

[valentine452]

where is moletrap :(

[S3xybek]

moletrap aint doing commentaries anymore he gave his acc to diggity

[megadethqc]

Are you kidding me? Moletrap stopped commentary?

[rabarbersnopp]

Hooray!

diggity + klaz + cholera ftw!

[ckrazy]

ITS MAHVEL BAYBEE! Flash is so PRINGLES! =)

[flubio123]

Nice commentary guys. You are on the game. I agree with Klazart but Klazart man you are such a Flash fanboy! bwahahahha. You guys are wicked. ~ later

[UnknownEnemy]

IT'S MAHVEL BAYBEEE!!!!

[exDreamDuck]

lol the lomo masks and the girl fake chewing, rotfl. good commentary!

[TerranFan11111]

lol, Boxeresque ninja proxy like Boxer vs oov

[japphan]

Nice to hear that you know each other good enough to disagree with one another, and good that you had that discussion in the end, and not during the action.

Please keep doing these little post game discussions, and stay friends. ;)

[Kendal411]

Smell that? Smells like cheese :)

[jungenbum]

What's with all the gay poker references?

[tejntanga]

If you don't understand poker, don't just call it gay. It's ok to ask what the refferences mean, mate.

[jungenbum]

I fully understand poker and the theory behind it. I've been playing it for 4 years now. I'm just saying its kinda gay they way they related it

[KermitLeFrog]

Nice commentary, intens game.

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I think Flash should have waited in his bunker for lomo to flank him from the north, once lomos SCV was killed. He could have fought there with SCVs and marines without fearing lomos bunker.