Please get your facts straight in australia you can have semi-automatic rifles and pump action shot guns if you need them for your job e.g Farming, or feral animal control and it's fairly easy to get a gun licence in australia as long as u don't have a recent criminal record or a mental ilness
@AussieLAFO this person is repeating the same lies that the NRA said 15 years ago as a matter of fact the High Court ordered them to not only remove the "statistics" from their website but also ordered them to retract all statements regarding it.
Governments are not concerned about the rising crime rate. It gives them the excuse to increase tax revinues ,to hire more police , buy more equipment, and build more prisons which employ more prison guards, it is all just another big business operation.
New Zealand didn't ban guns like Australia did. All they did was block you from owning one if you had a criminal record or poor mental health history. That is common sense regulation without draconian banning.
@OmegaRage Who determines whether your thoughts are "healthy"? There is a recent "study" from the UK published in a biological journal that claims to have found that "Conservatives" are more prone to "fear" and feeling threatened because of larger amygdalas. Considering the absurdity of how the "study" was conducted and that it is considered "scientific" it wouldn't be a stretch for some "experts" to conclude that "Conservatives are prone to paranoia".
I live is Australia, own firearms and am PLEASED that we have lots of gun controls. Guns are ONLY needed by farmers in this country. USA, grow up and control guns
@anotherlookmedia are u trying 2 say that all the hunters who control the feral animal populations should not own guns who are not farmers. i am a gun owner in oz & am not a farmer. i 2 dont have a prob with my guns being registered & in some ways the controls should be tightened 2 weed out the idiots.
I fell for you my friend. We are "civilized" now and apparently all that stuff with genocide and democide "cant" happen in today's modern society. Yeah, right. Guns are only there to kill people, so thats why our armies and police need them, not your average citizen who wants to hunt or defend himself from criminals or tyranny.
Sooner or later your government will infringe on the rights of its people, there is nothing to stop them, nothing to make them "responsible" to you.
The Sporting Shooters Association of Australia states that there is no evidence that gun control restrictions in 1987, 1996 and 2002 had any impact on the already established trends.
No evidence of any impact means: continuing downtrends in gun deaths, as before the ban.
Your arguments hold no merit because you are using biased statisticts. Australian streets are much safer than the US streets. Murders per capita, using guns, are far less. If armed robberies are up, how many used guns? That wasnt mentioned. How do break in's or assaults relate to gun control..they are mutually exclusive. I sleep well at night knowing that there are much less gun nuts here than you have where you are.
@BobAndGeorgia02 It's not ridiculous, plenty of assaults have been prevented by the would be victim being armed and able to display that fact. Not really with shoplifting though, it's stealing without the owner/employee notices. How is being armed gonna affect that? And honestly no one would pull a gun on someone for littering unless that person is a cop and/or mentally disturbed.
Also I've seen interviews with inmates where they explicitly say they avoid breaking into houses in areas where alot of people own guns, so it does actually have relevance with gun control laws.
@BobAndGeorgia02 Errr no petty violent crime is higher, our none gun murder rate is higher than Australia’s combined murder rate, and some states (guns and all) have lower murder rates than Australia’s. this is going to sound bad but there are a lot of murders in the US because of blacks.
So I went and looked at Australias Institute of Criminology like @MGoose66 said and found charts showing crime going up since the gun ban yet he/she seems to indicate its the opposite. Interesting.
It's not a question of whether or not people should be allowed to own guns, people need to have guns to take down tyrants and prevent fools from forming a thuggish rulership of organised crime called a government!
@TheScotsAussie How so? Gun control does nothing to stop criminals from getting guns no more than drugs being illegal stops drug dealers from dealing them. You're just depriving law abiding citizens from having guns.
Also if gun control is so clearly the cause of low crime why does one of lowest crime rates in Europe happen to be in the country with the highest gun ownership rates, meaning Switzerland?
@crazypants88 Just for your knowledge. There is a huge difference between gun control laws, and high gun ownership. Switzerland has high gun ownership, because of the militia type defense they use, but they still have proper gun laws, and gun control. The US has gun control as well, but it is a poor system, and needs brought up to modern times as most first world nations have...............................
@quedorf That's true, strict gun laws don't automatically remove the possibility of high gun ownership rates. But I think it's fair to argue that gun control laws only tend to make it harder for regular folks to arm themselves.
I have still yet to see an argument that explains how you can keep something out the hands of criminals through legislation. It just seems almost absurd by definition since they're the very people that don't obey the law.
@crazypants88 That is not my point about gun ownership rates. My point is that they are a different monster all together. Example. There are lots of firearms in Canada, but also very effective gun control laws. If the law is followed, these guns are much more difficult to steal by criminals, as many guns criminals get were originally legal. As well, a scenario. If the police see a person on the street with a firearm, the law is broken, and the police can apprehend the individual............
@quedorf That assumes there's no illegal gun trafficking. And again "If the law is followed..." that's the crux of the issue, criminals don't and wont follow the law.
Firearms, even cumbersome ones can be hidden on your person with enough skill. Though a pat down would probably show the person to be armed, to be fair. But most cops aren't patting down everyone they come across.
@crazypants88 But as I said illegal guns quite often start as legal guns. And those law abiding citizens who follow the law will store the guns as they are supposed to, and make their theft much more difficult. Will it eliminate the theft. No, but it is much more difficult to steal a gun from a locked and secured safe, than a bedside table. To traffic guns illegally you need a source of guns.
Nothing will eliminate crimes. But they can be reduced.
@quedorf I don't know whether it starts of with legal guns, but I'll grant you that criminals could get their hands on legal guns by stealing them, but restricting law abiding people's access to guns wont stop a criminal from getting his hand on one. It will only affect the law abiding person. But if you require people to store their weapon in a safe then they aren't as easily accessible when they need it for self defense.
@crazypants88 .....If you have carry laws, one must basically wait till a crime is committed till you can do anything, as they have a legal right to carry the gun. Proper legislation makes it harder for criminals to acquire a item. Drugs are an example. Yes they still exist, but do you honestly think that they are as commonplace as if they were completely legal? Again just look at legal drug usage and death rates compared to illegal drugs. Nothing will eliminate crimes.
@crazypants88 Because the black market needs a source of guns. if all guns were locked into a secured safe, the source for guns would be diminished. if people could just walk into a house, and guns were set on the kitchen table, they would be much more likely to be stolen and put into the black market system.
@quedorf Right and what makes you think there isn't a source of guns. States lose guns all the time, the Soviet Union lost untold amount of guns, tanks, missiles etc etc when it collapsed. And this even ignoring that manufacturing guns illegally is by no mean impossible. In a John Stossel interview with some convicted felons, they said they consciously try to avoid houses or areas they know or suspect that the inhabitants are armed.
People will do drugs regardless of any law and since taking a substance doesn't do anyone harm except maybe yourself, why have it be illegal?
I'd tell you to look at mountains of bodies because of the war on drugs, in Mexico alone the number is staggering. The drugs aren't the most dangerous part of this. It's the black market that gets created by these morality laws.
@crazypants88 I totally disagree that drugs do not harm anyone but the user. Directly maybe, but indirectly, I have known people who's families have broken because of drug abuse. There are children born crack addicted. People killed because of drunk drivers, and on an on. But this is a different debate.
@quedorf Oh sure indirectly anything can hurt anyone. But a single person taking some recreational drug, doesn't inherently hurt anyone else. Well to be fair if it's some drug that will turn into bloodthirsty maniac, then yeah, but that doesn't apply to recreational drugs, and if they did, making them legal would minimize that risk since legal drug manufacturers would be incentivized to make it as safe as they could, unlike their black market counterparts.
@quedorf Disagree, the parallels between the two are obvious. One is banning drugs and how the black market subverts the law, the other is about guns and how the black market subverts the law.
@crazypants88 BUT... If you recall, no one is talking about banning guns. Australia does not ban guns. Canada does not ban guns. Most of these countries with reasonable gun laws do not ban guns. They simply have reasonable storage and handling laws when dealing to guns. Something the US lacks as a whole. So they are not parallel in this sense at all.
@quedorf Yeah, I know. But as I said it earlier, both concepts, gun control and gun bans, operate under the same principle, that criminals follow or even care for laws. You can write laws until your hand cramps up, criminals will just break them. So gun restrictions or bans will only affect those who follow the law, i.e. everyone except criminals. There are parallel to each other when discussing how criminals will get their hands on guns.
Also gun laws in the US vary wildly between areas.
@crazypants88 But if both concepts are the same,then why do most comparable countries with proper gun control have much less of a gun and violence problem than the US? Gun laws and bans do not operate under the same principle. One is to eliminate guns from society, while the other is to control firearm handling and storage within a country. Criminals will find it harder to get and use firearms with proper laws and law enforcement. It will not eliminate the crime, but reduce it.............
@quedorf Just because those country have low crimes and strict gun laws, doesn't mean that they're then automatically causally related. Look at Mexico, it has one of the strictest gun laws anywhere yet it has gangs armed to teeth and Switzerland where gun ownership is much more commonplace than in it's surrounding countries and yet has lower crime rates than those countries (according to wikipedia anyways)
@crazypants88 Wrong on all counts. First Mexico is not a comparable country to the US. Switzerland is, and has quite good gun control. Number of guns and gun ownership is not the issue. Gun control in Switzerland is strict in the sense that they must have guns locked when not in use, and away from ammo. Carrying is not easy in Switzerland. They have good gun control.................................
@quedorf No everything I said was factually correct. Mexico DOES have very strict gun control and high crimes and Switzerland has high gun ownership rates and low crime rates even compared to it's European neighbors.
I'm not comparing Mexico to the U.S., I'm pointing out a country that has very strict gun control and high crime rates, in response to your allusion that strict gun control is somehow instrinsically connected with low crime rates.
@crazypants88 If you read what I wrote, you will see that I said there are other factors to take into account as well as guns, but guns are a part. You pick a country that has strict gun control, yet major social and economic problems. No reasonable person would compare each countries reason for high crime. And the US would have a much better system if it adopted Switzerland's gun control system.
Nothing makes smuggling impossible, but again if you read what I wrote, I said that already.....
@quedorf I use Mexico as an example that the black market will subvert any law on a good like guns or drugs or services like prostitution. The fact that Mexico is a 3rd world country doesn't detract from my point at all. What happens in Mexico happens in other countries as well, rich European countries. Just the other day in Oslo a guy started shooting at another guy, luckily no one was killed but obviously the gun laws there didn't prevent the gunman from getting a gun.
Whether it be through the black market or just stealing it, the fact remains criminals will still get guns regardless laws, because they're criminals, who by definition are people who break the law. The high crime in Mexico is obviously due to the lucrative drug market in the US, the guns are just a byproduct in a sense. Some of the highest gun crime in the US happens exactly in areas where gun ownership is highly restrictive or banned. Such as L.A., N.Y.C and Detroit.
Right your argument against the black market subverting any gun restrictions or bans is that it's hard. That doesn't close the giant hole in your argumentation when all criminals need to do is what drug traffickers do all the time and gross untold amount of money out of it.
I already explained to you, just because there's a strict gun law and low crime rates, does not mean that one then causes the other. Without a argument explaining that causal link, you're committing the correlation=causation fallacy. Look at the neighboring countries to Switzerland, they all have stricter gun laws, yet Switzerland as lower crime rate, with three exception as far as I can tell.
@crazypants88 What you fail to remember is that Swiss gun laws are strict., and I said before that the US would go a long way forward if they adopted laws similar to Switzerland.
@quedorf Are they? You can get anti-tank rocket launchers with an easily-obtainable license and anyone can buy at least some kinds of long arms without any need for a record of the purchase to show up.
@crazypants88 And I already explained to you that guns are not the only factor, but it is one. One can make a link between the two when the preponderance of the evidence is leaning towards those comparable countries with functional gun control have a lower firearm homicide rate, yet a comparable non firearm homicide rate. And Switzerland has a low firearm homicide rate, yet there are many comparable countries with lower, or very similar rates including Finland, Hungary, Germany, Canada, England
@crazypants88 .....No reasonable person would expect to eliminate all crime, but the laws intent is a reduction in crime. Of course ideally elimination is what people want, but that is impossible. So no there is no gaping hole in my argument. My argument is reasonable gun control reduces crime. Lets look at comparable figures Non firearm related homicides per country are almost comparable (Canada 1.05 Switzerland 0.4 US 1.58). Now firearm related (Canada 0.54 Swiss 0.56 US 2.97)......
@crazypants88 .....This shows clearly that US has an issue with guns that comparable countries do not have. Which goes back to what I said. The US does not have to get rid of gun, but they do have to be more strict and consistent on the controlling of the guns.
Switzerland might have strict gun laws, but they don't commit the same fallacy as most countries by giving militiamen weapons, not restricting weapons to citizens and thinking that won't bite them in the ass when criminals break those laws and get guns through illegal means.
Sure I'll agree that smuggling guns would be difficult, but that doesn't make it impossible. It's still is a gaping hole in your argument.
@crazypants88 ............An extreme example. If you are a criminal, and every gun in a country is locked and secured well according to the law, getting a gun for a crime will be much more difficult, than if these guns are laying around everywhere and easily stolen. Guns could be brought in from outside across guarded borders, but you have to admit it is much more difficult to do so, than across a unguarded border where no laws exist to prevent this...................
@crazypants88 ....... As I always said, it will not eliminate all crime, but it will reduce it. Of course there are other factors, and anyone will admit that. Poverty, lack of social programs etc, but gun availability, and lax laws dealing with such, are one of the factors.
Right gun control is set to prevent gun crime, right? So it does operate under the same principle. If you're going to put something as law, it follows that only those who abide by laws are going to follow them. Criminals don't follow the laws on murder, rape or theft, why would they follow the laws regarding guns? According to your argumentation drug trade as it is today, i.e. booming, could not exist because it's against the law and the state limits access to it.
@crazypants88 ..... The varying laws is exactly what I was referring to when I said "something the US lacks as a whole". Some states and areas have good laws, but they are hobbled by the ones that have terrible laws, and right across a undefended state border.
@crazypants88 .............To address your original comparison. Check on the usage, and deaths related to illegal drugs, and compare it to the usage, deaths related to legal drugs such as tobacco, and alcohol. I think you will find that although the war on drugs might not be a roaring success, it does have an effect. Same goes for GOOD gun laws.
@quedorf Sure it has an effect, the effect being that because these drugs aren't made by the same professional standard as legal recreational drugs are, they are much more dangerous to consume. Just like when alcohol was made illegal in the US and in my own country, alcohol became much more expensive and much more dangerous. You could go blind or even die from it. Granted people still die from alcohol today but it's undeniably more safe than when it was illegal.
Then there's gangs that get extremely rich and powerful because of illegal drug trade. Today there are no gangs fighting over the sale of liquor, like they were when it was illegal.
@crazypants88 Yes that is fine, but we are not discussing making guns illegal. We are discussing making proper gun laws. Guns are not illegal in Canada. There are many many guns. No one will get rich off of a black market gun ring, unless they find fools to sell overpriced guns to.
@quedorf Right I realize the difference, it's just both of these concepts suffer from the same fatal flaw, that criminals follow laws.
I'm pretty sure the guy who smuggles arms into Mexico and up until recently Libya is living pretty well. Mexico BTW has one of the strictest gun laws on the planet, yet the cartels are armed to the teeth.
FUCK! I could not agree more, I've been going through so much paper work to get a gun licence and now I'm going through the probation period of 6 months to get my handgun, why can't we be like America, instant background checks and you can have a handgun and be shooting it in an hour and permits for concealed weapons, why the fuck don't we have that, I've almost been robbed 3 times, thankfully I carry quite a large hunting knife on me yes I know it's illegal but it's protected but I'd like a gun
Although I agree with most of this video, anyone who knows history can categorically state that the percentage of armed American citizens was not a determining factor for Japan to invade the United States. They never intended to invade mainland USA in the first place. The Japanese however, did invade American territory in Alaska (see the Aleutian Islands campaign).
In Canada we are engaged in a constant fight to protect what few gun rights we still have. The last year has seen some surprising turns in our favor, but it takes 110% to keep up progress. Australia is sadly an example us Canadian gun owners use to illustrate the folly of antis. Here's hoping things change for the better for everyone.
@TheStellapoint settle down comrade Gun Control was designed to lower gun crime and it its done that, you are more likely to die in a road accident than murdered and if you are murdered odds are you've been stabbed to death.
Japan has very strict gun laws and very little gun crime. Switzerland has very liberal gun laws and very little gun crime. Mexico has strict gun laws and high gun crime. Plenty of countries have, de facto or de jure, liberal gun control and high gun crime. It seems to me that resources, education, and social values are more indicative of violence than gun ownership is. There's no denial that guns are a tool which may be used violently, though.
@mscme1 Actually no; race and ethnicity are more indicative of violence than gun owernship. Switzerland and Japan have VERY few blacks and browns for instance. Japan has practically NO blacks or browns; the Japanese as a people are HIGHLY racist against non-japs. Whatever any countries gun laws, if it is filled with large amounts of third world people or large concentrations of minorities, there will be very high crime.
@zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx I have an issue with the 5th 'myth', since 12 people in my community were murdered by a man who most would consider average. He used firearms which he was legally allowed to own. It's not a myth if there's proof it happens.
@LastKissGoodbye IF that happended, that is an extremely rare occurence. 9/10 it is criminals with illegally owned firearms. I would also like to see some proof of what you are claiming.
@LastKissGoodbye Bad things will happen as long as there are bad people out there. Guns are just tool and if someone wants to hurt you they will, with or without a gun. Passing laws to disarm the people make no sense because criminals don't follow laws. If on the other hand the criminal thinks that he might get shot while committing a crime by the citizens he might think twice about it. In the case you mention if the public were armed someone might have been able to stop him before he got to 12.
@LastKissGoodbye That's why we have concealed carry laws. No one has to "flout" the storage laws when it is legal to carry a concealed weapon and protect yourself and the public with it. Concealed carry laws have consistantly lowered the rate of violent crime when a state passes them. Why? Because as I said before the bad guys don't want to get shot so they will look for easier targets elsewhere. Perhaps where guns are illegal so the honest people will be disarmed.
@fishndoc11 Or better yet, potential criminals have something to think about, which itself reduces crime. Consider it... peer pressure: "If you commit a criminal act, especially a violent act, you are far more likely to face severe consequences. In other words, don't do it."
@LastKissGoodbye I watched a few videos about it, and Im sorry to hear that it happened in your community, or if any of your firends were killed, it looks like a terrible incident. But again like I said that is a very rare occurance, and gun control will not stop it from happening, as the video prooved, it said UK has some of the strictest gun laws, and the firearms were legal, but it still happened, but then again these occurances are very rare, most of the time it is illegally owned guns.
For decades democrats/liberals have pushed for gun control because they are the criminals and would love to see us vulnerable. I can see where we'd getting robbed, murdered by these low life democrats & their associates. The main reason i believe the left is against capital punishment due to they commit most of the violent crimes. Liberals don't want the death penalty used on themselves. They also are the prison guards making a liven housing prisoners.1 less liberal=several freed tax payers!
Here's the truth guys people are always going to kill people for reasons sane people won't understand. Maybe it's for drugs? Maybe for money to pay rent? Maybe their just crazy? But the real question is are you able to do what is necessary to protect yourself and your family? Most guns used in crimes in America are illegal anyway most of them came across the border from Mexico criminals don't care about adding five years because of gun possession to a life sentence.
i listened to everyone USA & Australia wasnt invaded because its just to far ...look at the world map.56 million people never got executed because of gun control was a war tanks and bombs & how these issues relate to today i do not know.This is a computer generated video because no human would be dumb enough to tell these lies.In Australia we dont have Gun Control we have laws.Someone sent me an email telling me that when people die its worth the sacrifice for Gun Rights.Makes me upset.
Switzerland has the highest gun ownership rate in all of Europe (3rd in the world), and yet they only have a murder rate of 0.7 per 100,000 people (and 0.3 homicide by firearm). The UK's is 1.28 per 100,000 people (probably the strictest gun laws in all of Europe) while Russia's murder rate is 15.0 per 100,000 people (very strict, all handguns are banned). South Korea is VERY strict gun laws (even more so than the UK) and their murder rate is 2.3, so clearly there is no correlation.
@lavahornet2 I Have to dis agree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
@lavahornet2 I Have to disagree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
@lavahornet2 I Have to dis agree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
@lavahornet2 I Have to dis agree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
@lavahornet2 I Have to dis agree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
I Have to dis agree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
@virendra24bangalore I found it on Wikipedia actually haha (but don't worry all numbers are cited) "List of countries by intentional homicide rate" and where I got the Switzerland having the 3rd largest civilian arsenal was also Wikipedia, "List of countries by gun ownership" as long as the information is cited then it's okay.
@The18plusOver The United States murder rate is 5.0 per 100,000 people, and NO. Russia's murder rate is 13 per 100,000 people and has strict gun control and all handguns are banned. Some states in the US like New Hampshire(0.8 per 100,000 people) or Vermont (1.1 per 100,000 and one doesn't even need a permit to carry a handgun) and in spite of having the laxest gun laws in the country they still have a murder rate slightly less than the UK (1.28 per 100,000 people)
Ironically a law designed to disarm the Australian people resulted in the creation of what can only be described as the Australian Underground Army. Whilst a lot of guns were handed, many more were not. The government of the day were in error when they introduced the law before have a pre-licensing phase and comprehensive audit to determine what was out there, how many, and who had them. In addition to the weapons pre 79 are the W11 surplus weapons .. Lawrence LYons (infowarsnetau vid clip)
@Humberto4790 Yes, you can own semi-automatic shotguns and rifles in Russia, like the Saiga-12 for instance :) Oh I guess you can own handguns but not cartridge firing, just rubber ball firing or tear gas. And you have to get your shotgun license first, safe use of this arsenal for 5 years allows purchase of a rifle afterwards,
You think you have it bad try coming to the UK. Here you can legally carry a folding pocket knife if the blade is under 3inches and it does not lock. But if for any reason you are searched and found to have Any blade on you you can still be prosecuted for carrying an offensive weapon. Yes that means you have to hide the fact you have a Swiss-Army penknife in your pocket! So imagine what it's like if you want to own even an Airsoft gun let alone an Air rifle or god forbid a shotgun!
i live in canberra, the capital of australia and i can clearly say that it is the most crime ridden area in australia, there are drug dealers, murderers, rapists, pedophiles, gansters, car thieves and muggers EVERYWHERE. this is due to the fact that australia in most cases does not support self-defence, an example being that we cant even carry mace or a tazer without being criminally charged!!
Yeah its so stupid! I cant even get an airsoft Gun in australia unless im gonna settle for something crap which probably couldnt be used for anything besides target practice at 20m
I have NEVER heard it said more clearly. None of my guns have ever shot a person. But guns are the ONLY reason criminals won't invade my home and take my wife or daughter. PERIOD.Isn't it good to know,That when seconds count, Police are only 20 miniutes away.Criminals have NO reguard for the law and any law that restricts our right to defend ourselves is unconstitutional and leaves us defenceless.Our forefathers knew more in1776 than most Americans obviously do now. GET A CLUE!
Where I live, the police are an hour away during business hours, and at least an hour and a half away at night. My .22mag and single barrel 12g. were taken by the police last year because of an unpleasant divorce (What other kind is there?). Now I have to spend my meagre income on pro shooters to keep the foxes and wild dods under control.
Last month my dog latched onto a drug-fuck trying to steal farm chemicals from the shed - the council orderred me to put him down; How? I asked
The council took him away with electrical tape holding his mouth shut and euthanised him. I'll never get over it, and I'll never forgive them. The cops (mostly) are only doing their job I guess, tho always 2 hours too late, but local councils are vermin scum.
Anyway; all my chickens are gone, this year's lambing will be a disaster, and I'm thinking of emigrating to a free country somewhere.
@diginit3 And the best defense is if every person in the house has been taught about and how to use them. And if you need over 2 shots to get the job done, you need more practice time.
What if the crim doesn't have a weapon what if the crim came to steal you're food because he or seh was hungry or just wanted something for free, only cowards use guns who can't fight with their fists learn karate or a martial art and then you will be able to defend you're self safely from assaults, most assaults that happen in my country are not done by knife because we have no access to weapons what so ever even knifes.
@Dimitri0809 You are obviously uninformed. No martial art can stop a bullet.Just because you idiots allowed yourselves to be disarmed and completely controlled by your government,Doesn't mean we have to.Please stay in your country as we need no more dummies imported.I had to use my belt once against 2 jerks that tried to dump me into a river off a bridge and take my girlfriend. If your hands were registered weapons,Mr. martial arts,I could shoot you in self defence.legally.You know nothing.
Dimitri, You don't have knives?How do you cut your steak?Or does your government do it for you?Your post is so full of sh*t. Your CRIME rate is higher than ours.You are nothing but sheeple and you call me a coward? Wish you were here...
P.S. learn how to spell if you want anyone to actually understand what you post. There is also a book. "Self defence for dummies." Buy it and have someone read it to you.
@Dimitri0809 You are a fool. Ill tell you what tough guy. I will meet you somewhere. You bring your martial arts and a knife if you want to. Ill bring my CC. You pull your knife, Ill shoot you. What else you got slick?
@Dimitri0809 Shut up you pussy. You'd piss yourself and cry like a little girl if you had to deal with the scumbags that tried to rob me twice with knives. I drew and aimed and they ran like little girls, like you would with piss and shit filling your panties
@Dimitri0809 I'm a man with the guts to defend myself and my family. You'd be in the corrner pissing yourself and begging for the cops to come save your worthless ass. your kind of limp-wristed pussy wannabee makes me sick
Well 2 can play that game you want fucking chaos dickhead, I'm fine with that only thing is what if the crim shoots first then you will be the first to go, after all you couldn't defend you're self without a gun so now you got gun in ur fucking face because a nation couldn't keep their gun control policies under control, you asked for it dickhead.
@Dimitri0809 You are such a pathetic piece if shit, can't even make a coherent response. I'm former military, licensed to carry a concealed firearm, which requires a very extensive background check and I practice several times a month. I'm also a range safety officer and handgun instructor. I'm almost 50 and I don't care to take on several young crack addicts in hand to hand combat. I consider that common sense. As my TI said, fight smarter, not harder
@Dimitri0809 And just to amuse myself I will respond to your inane comment " what if the crim shoots first"? on the off chance he fired 1st and was able to hit me what do I lose? I try to defend myself and die or I don't try to defend myself and die anyway? Oh, that's right. According to you I'm the bad guy for wanting to stay alive instead of waiting for police to come and tag and bag my dead body
@Dimitri0809 so the military and police force is full of pussies and cowards? oh you are so right about that, the soldiers should just run up to the enemy with knives and fists huh? get a life idiot.
@Dimitri0809 So I shouldn't even try to fight back against a criminal (using equal force, AKA a gun) because he might shoot me before I can shoot him? THAT is a coward's argument, chief!
YOU, Dimitri0809, appear to be the coward here! (Are you a faggot too? Wouldn't surprise me, a lot of anti-gunners are!)
I dont believe it , at first in australia it might have gone up but now no guns is good , though the truth is the knife attacks have gone up ...stabbed or shoot ...bad people are bad and if they want to rob rape and be ratbags they could use a pole xx
The commanding Admiral of Japan, Isoroku Yamamoto, who had total military control of the war plans given to him by the Emperor said, thought it would be suicide. In his own words, "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
Makes me wonder now why so many are for gun control considering our second amendment was a great detterent to the US being invaded during WWII.
@herndonchevy You do realize that this quote was most certainly never said by Yamamoto, and is thought by most historians as a fake. As well, the Japanese had no interest in invading the US, and it had nothing to do with guns or the 2nd amend. It had to do with resources. The Japanese had other interests, and did not have the resources to invade somethign they did not want.
@quedorf they never had any plans in the first place to invade the US that was the whole idea of Pearl Harbour it was designed to knock the US out of the war before they had a chance to enter it.
@quedorf the Japanese did try to invade the US and Canada through Alaska; they were fought off by the natives and didn't get past Dutch harbor, because they weren't ready for arctic warfare.
@Poptartza Yes technically they did invade US soil, but did not have any interest in mainland continental US. You clearly know that this was a strategic invasion to assist in controlling pacific routes. The point is that they had no interest in mainland US, and US citizens being armed had nothing to do with their lack of interest.
this is a lie ... just listen it say's Japan decided not to invade america because they knew American's were armed ... Pearl Harbor was real and USA just dropped a nuke on Japan.I am Australian gun related deaths and injury dropped from 600+ people to 300+ people in one year .America wake up most websites tell me you have 250k deaths and injuries from firearms every year 250K deaths & injuries.People are sold fear and only own a handgun to protect themselfs from others who own handguns.
@chantal1235 Dude, Pearl Harbor wasn't a fuckin' invasion... If the japs "invaded" by dropping damn bombs and shit on boats and shooting up the barracks, then i guess the USA invaded when they dropped two nukes on them right?
@sportbikeandhunter i agree with you im just making a point that this video is untrue all of it's a lie ... did Japan try to invade USA yeah they tried & they didnt care if anyone owned a gun ... Hawaii is part of the USA.I am Australian & Victorian and everything said in this video is untrue but there isnt enough room in this small box to rip each comment apart so my comment was an example.
@sportbikeandhunter just because it wasnt a succesful invasion doesnt mean they didn't try .If you would like to chat to me about guns for self defense i am more than happy to swap idea's with you but i say no more about 2nd world war wow Japan Germany etc they were going to invade every country.So can we talk about hanguns please.
@chantal1235 250,000? your facts are way off it's less than 1/10th of that, and over 80% of all murders with guns in the US are from people who illegally obtained them
@Poptartza yes maybe 250,000 is wrong so we go with 1/10th and remove 80% which makes 5,000 innocent men woman & children murdered .When i quoted that figure i never said murdered i said deaths & injuries (meaning suicide,accident,law enforcement etc) . Anyway 5,000 precious people is 5,000 to many.
ya look at that one town in Kansas they have a law that all civilians are required to own at lest 1 firearm per household and all gun related crime dropped 3% and if i remember right last year it was down 20% and that was just one town hehe
Please get your facts straight in australia you can have semi-automatic rifles and pump action shot guns if you need them for your job e.g Farming, or feral animal control and it's fairly easy to get a gun licence in australia as long as u don't have a recent criminal record or a mental ilness
Paddymelon75 5 days ago
Correct
88RBack 1 week ago
This video should be called ' Australian gun control bullshit half truths '
Australia is not ' disarmed ' there is a million licenced civillian firearm owners in Australia.
What changed was semi auto rifles and pump shotguns being put into a different licence catagory ( Cat C / D )
AussieLAFO 1 week ago
@AussieLAFO this person is repeating the same lies that the NRA said 15 years ago as a matter of fact the High Court ordered them to not only remove the "statistics" from their website but also ordered them to retract all statements regarding it.
irishgodfatherchris 3 days ago
9 shootings in Sydney in the last week. THE LAST WEEK.
mlwwlm 1 week ago
@mlwwlm ** Gun control is working marvelously, isn't it?
mlwwlm 1 week ago
Governments are not concerned about the rising crime rate. It gives them the excuse to increase tax revinues ,to hire more police , buy more equipment, and build more prisons which employ more prison guards, it is all just another big business operation.
BADDOOKUS 2 months ago in playlist More videos from Camo4x4s 4
New Zealand didn't ban guns like Australia did. All they did was block you from owning one if you had a criminal record or poor mental health history. That is common sense regulation without draconian banning.
OmegaRage 3 months ago 6
@OmegaRage No it's not. History has shown that even those sort of bans increase crime. Or at most do not effect it.
pcgamernum1 3 weeks ago
@OmegaRage Who determines whether your thoughts are "healthy"? There is a recent "study" from the UK published in a biological journal that claims to have found that "Conservatives" are more prone to "fear" and feeling threatened because of larger amygdalas. Considering the absurdity of how the "study" was conducted and that it is considered "scientific" it wouldn't be a stretch for some "experts" to conclude that "Conservatives are prone to paranoia".
Draconian?
Certainly Orwellian.
FoundInBetween 1 week ago
YOU CAN BUY GUNS IN THE WESTERN SUBURBS OF SYDNEY FROM CRIMS NO PROBLEM
russ9356 4 months ago
This video should be called "Australia Gun Control Lies "
This American clearly has no idea .... weare not "unarmed"
I and over a million other shooters in Australia are licenced gun owners.
what bullshit hype this video is.
AussieLAFO 5 months ago
I live is Australia, own firearms and am PLEASED that we have lots of gun controls. Guns are ONLY needed by farmers in this country. USA, grow up and control guns
anotherlookmedia 5 months ago
@anotherlookmedia are u trying 2 say that all the hunters who control the feral animal populations should not own guns who are not farmers. i am a gun owner in oz & am not a farmer. i 2 dont have a prob with my guns being registered & in some ways the controls should be tightened 2 weed out the idiots.
frasatat2 5 months ago in playlist Gun Control Knowledge
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The 56 Million number is WAY low, it's 170 Million...
w w w . youtube.com/watch?v=jFp51KusLmU
NinjaRider777R 5 months ago
I fell for you my friend. We are "civilized" now and apparently all that stuff with genocide and democide "cant" happen in today's modern society. Yeah, right. Guns are only there to kill people, so thats why our armies and police need them, not your average citizen who wants to hunt or defend himself from criminals or tyranny.
Sooner or later your government will infringe on the rights of its people, there is nothing to stop them, nothing to make them "responsible" to you.
CanadianReich 6 months ago
i support gun control: EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD SHOULD LEARN HOW TO CONTOL A GUN!!!!
aussiedig01 6 months ago
This video is bullshit.
The Sporting Shooters Association of Australia states that there is no evidence that gun control restrictions in 1987, 1996 and 2002 had any impact on the already established trends.
No evidence of any impact means: continuing downtrends in gun deaths, as before the ban.
Belgianmeth 6 months ago
Australia is a nation of subjects. But I don't think it's by choice.......
cshawn07 6 months ago
So, the basis of yoyr argument is that if you cant beat them, join them. Perhaps stronger gun control is needed
BobAndGeorgia02 6 months ago
Your arguments hold no merit because you are using biased statisticts. Australian streets are much safer than the US streets. Murders per capita, using guns, are far less. If armed robberies are up, how many used guns? That wasnt mentioned. How do break in's or assaults relate to gun control..they are mutually exclusive. I sleep well at night knowing that there are much less gun nuts here than you have where you are.
BobAndGeorgia02 6 months ago
@BobAndGeorgia02 Assaults are relevant because they could have been prevented by the victims if they were armed..
crazypants88 6 months ago
@crazypants88 Then that is a ridiculous argument. You could say that for shoplifting and littering too.
BobAndGeorgia02 6 months ago
@BobAndGeorgia02 It's not ridiculous, plenty of assaults have been prevented by the would be victim being armed and able to display that fact. Not really with shoplifting though, it's stealing without the owner/employee notices. How is being armed gonna affect that? And honestly no one would pull a gun on someone for littering unless that person is a cop and/or mentally disturbed.
contd.
crazypants88 6 months ago
@BobAndGeorgia02 contd.
Also I've seen interviews with inmates where they explicitly say they avoid breaking into houses in areas where alot of people own guns, so it does actually have relevance with gun control laws.
crazypants88 6 months ago
@BobAndGeorgia02 Errr no petty violent crime is higher, our none gun murder rate is higher than Australia’s combined murder rate, and some states (guns and all) have lower murder rates than Australia’s. this is going to sound bad but there are a lot of murders in the US because of blacks.
badgerattoadhall 6 months ago
"There are no dangerous weapons... only dangerous people."
Tinfoilnation 7 months ago
This is a firearm forcast anouncement :P
MavHunter20XX 7 months ago
The UN like being a bunch of faggots and taking away guns from African villages so they can't defend themselves from the next genocidal war lord.
CrocoDuck420 7 months ago
These "facts" are propaganda rubbish. Check the truth at Australian Institute of Criminology.
MGoose66 8 months ago
So I went and looked at Australias Institute of Criminology like @MGoose66 said and found charts showing crime going up since the gun ban yet he/she seems to indicate its the opposite. Interesting.
woodsmanlw 7 months ago
It's not a question of whether or not people should be allowed to own guns, people need to have guns to take down tyrants and prevent fools from forming a thuggish rulership of organised crime called a government!
rebelq1 8 months ago in playlist Gun Control Knowledge
I'm just gonna say it, this video bored me to tears. I don't know if the video is for or against guns. I just couldn't watch more than 3 seconds.
Tiosh 8 months ago
well this is just screaming world wide repbelion any names for the repbel forces?
no guns i agree it is unconstitutional and takes away our rite to bear arms this should not be tolorated!
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TheHcgdietplan 8 months ago
This is nonsense. Our low murder rates in Australia are due to our tight gun controls
TheScotsAussie 8 months ago
@TheScotsAussie How so? Gun control does nothing to stop criminals from getting guns no more than drugs being illegal stops drug dealers from dealing them. You're just depriving law abiding citizens from having guns.
Also if gun control is so clearly the cause of low crime why does one of lowest crime rates in Europe happen to be in the country with the highest gun ownership rates, meaning Switzerland?
crazypants88 8 months ago
@crazypants88 Just for your knowledge. There is a huge difference between gun control laws, and high gun ownership. Switzerland has high gun ownership, because of the militia type defense they use, but they still have proper gun laws, and gun control. The US has gun control as well, but it is a poor system, and needs brought up to modern times as most first world nations have...............................
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf That's true, strict gun laws don't automatically remove the possibility of high gun ownership rates. But I think it's fair to argue that gun control laws only tend to make it harder for regular folks to arm themselves.
I have still yet to see an argument that explains how you can keep something out the hands of criminals through legislation. It just seems almost absurd by definition since they're the very people that don't obey the law.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 That is not my point about gun ownership rates. My point is that they are a different monster all together. Example. There are lots of firearms in Canada, but also very effective gun control laws. If the law is followed, these guns are much more difficult to steal by criminals, as many guns criminals get were originally legal. As well, a scenario. If the police see a person on the street with a firearm, the law is broken, and the police can apprehend the individual............
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf That assumes there's no illegal gun trafficking. And again "If the law is followed..." that's the crux of the issue, criminals don't and wont follow the law.
Firearms, even cumbersome ones can be hidden on your person with enough skill. Though a pat down would probably show the person to be armed, to be fair. But most cops aren't patting down everyone they come across.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 But as I said illegal guns quite often start as legal guns. And those law abiding citizens who follow the law will store the guns as they are supposed to, and make their theft much more difficult. Will it eliminate the theft. No, but it is much more difficult to steal a gun from a locked and secured safe, than a bedside table. To traffic guns illegally you need a source of guns.
Nothing will eliminate crimes. But they can be reduced.
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf I don't know whether it starts of with legal guns, but I'll grant you that criminals could get their hands on legal guns by stealing them, but restricting law abiding people's access to guns wont stop a criminal from getting his hand on one. It will only affect the law abiding person. But if you require people to store their weapon in a safe then they aren't as easily accessible when they need it for self defense.
Yes and there is a source of guns.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 .....If you have carry laws, one must basically wait till a crime is committed till you can do anything, as they have a legal right to carry the gun. Proper legislation makes it harder for criminals to acquire a item. Drugs are an example. Yes they still exist, but do you honestly think that they are as commonplace as if they were completely legal? Again just look at legal drug usage and death rates compared to illegal drugs. Nothing will eliminate crimes.
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf True, but isn't that the nature of crime, you can't fight until you know about it.
How? How will it prevent criminals from acquiring guns illegally, through stealing them of legal gun owners or just buy them of the black market?
No I don't think they are as common place as if they were illegal. But that doesn't stop it from being a multi billion dollar industry.
contd.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 Because the black market needs a source of guns. if all guns were locked into a secured safe, the source for guns would be diminished. if people could just walk into a house, and guns were set on the kitchen table, they would be much more likely to be stolen and put into the black market system.
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf Right and what makes you think there isn't a source of guns. States lose guns all the time, the Soviet Union lost untold amount of guns, tanks, missiles etc etc when it collapsed. And this even ignoring that manufacturing guns illegally is by no mean impossible. In a John Stossel interview with some convicted felons, they said they consciously try to avoid houses or areas they know or suspect that the inhabitants are armed.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@quedorf contd.
People will do drugs regardless of any law and since taking a substance doesn't do anyone harm except maybe yourself, why have it be illegal?
I'd tell you to look at mountains of bodies because of the war on drugs, in Mexico alone the number is staggering. The drugs aren't the most dangerous part of this. It's the black market that gets created by these morality laws.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 I totally disagree that drugs do not harm anyone but the user. Directly maybe, but indirectly, I have known people who's families have broken because of drug abuse. There are children born crack addicted. People killed because of drunk drivers, and on an on. But this is a different debate.
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf Oh sure indirectly anything can hurt anyone. But a single person taking some recreational drug, doesn't inherently hurt anyone else. Well to be fair if it's some drug that will turn into bloodthirsty maniac, then yeah, but that doesn't apply to recreational drugs, and if they did, making them legal would minimize that risk since legal drug manufacturers would be incentivized to make it as safe as they could, unlike their black market counterparts.
contd.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@quedorf contd.
Different debate, sure, but one worth having if you genuinely believe that prohibition does more good than harm.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 Perhaps one worth having, but not on a gun control discussion.
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf Disagree, the parallels between the two are obvious. One is banning drugs and how the black market subverts the law, the other is about guns and how the black market subverts the law.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 BUT... If you recall, no one is talking about banning guns. Australia does not ban guns. Canada does not ban guns. Most of these countries with reasonable gun laws do not ban guns. They simply have reasonable storage and handling laws when dealing to guns. Something the US lacks as a whole. So they are not parallel in this sense at all.
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf Yeah, I know. But as I said it earlier, both concepts, gun control and gun bans, operate under the same principle, that criminals follow or even care for laws. You can write laws until your hand cramps up, criminals will just break them. So gun restrictions or bans will only affect those who follow the law, i.e. everyone except criminals. There are parallel to each other when discussing how criminals will get their hands on guns.
Also gun laws in the US vary wildly between areas.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 But if both concepts are the same,then why do most comparable countries with proper gun control have much less of a gun and violence problem than the US? Gun laws and bans do not operate under the same principle. One is to eliminate guns from society, while the other is to control firearm handling and storage within a country. Criminals will find it harder to get and use firearms with proper laws and law enforcement. It will not eliminate the crime, but reduce it.............
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf Just because those country have low crimes and strict gun laws, doesn't mean that they're then automatically causally related. Look at Mexico, it has one of the strictest gun laws anywhere yet it has gangs armed to teeth and Switzerland where gun ownership is much more commonplace than in it's surrounding countries and yet has lower crime rates than those countries (according to wikipedia anyways)
contd.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 Wrong on all counts. First Mexico is not a comparable country to the US. Switzerland is, and has quite good gun control. Number of guns and gun ownership is not the issue. Gun control in Switzerland is strict in the sense that they must have guns locked when not in use, and away from ammo. Carrying is not easy in Switzerland. They have good gun control.................................
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf No everything I said was factually correct. Mexico DOES have very strict gun control and high crimes and Switzerland has high gun ownership rates and low crime rates even compared to it's European neighbors.
I'm not comparing Mexico to the U.S., I'm pointing out a country that has very strict gun control and high crime rates, in response to your allusion that strict gun control is somehow instrinsically connected with low crime rates.
contd.
crazypants88 4 months ago
@crazypants88 If you read what I wrote, you will see that I said there are other factors to take into account as well as guns, but guns are a part. You pick a country that has strict gun control, yet major social and economic problems. No reasonable person would compare each countries reason for high crime. And the US would have a much better system if it adopted Switzerland's gun control system.
Nothing makes smuggling impossible, but again if you read what I wrote, I said that already.....
quedorf 4 months ago
@quedorf I use Mexico as an example that the black market will subvert any law on a good like guns or drugs or services like prostitution. The fact that Mexico is a 3rd world country doesn't detract from my point at all. What happens in Mexico happens in other countries as well, rich European countries. Just the other day in Oslo a guy started shooting at another guy, luckily no one was killed but obviously the gun laws there didn't prevent the gunman from getting a gun.
contd.
crazypants88 4 months ago
@quedorf contd.
Whether it be through the black market or just stealing it, the fact remains criminals will still get guns regardless laws, because they're criminals, who by definition are people who break the law. The high crime in Mexico is obviously due to the lucrative drug market in the US, the guns are just a byproduct in a sense. Some of the highest gun crime in the US happens exactly in areas where gun ownership is highly restrictive or banned. Such as L.A., N.Y.C and Detroit.
contd.
crazypants88 4 months ago
@quedorf contd.
Right your argument against the black market subverting any gun restrictions or bans is that it's hard. That doesn't close the giant hole in your argumentation when all criminals need to do is what drug traffickers do all the time and gross untold amount of money out of it.
contd.
crazypants88 4 months ago
@quedorf contd.
I already explained to you, just because there's a strict gun law and low crime rates, does not mean that one then causes the other. Without a argument explaining that causal link, you're committing the correlation=causation fallacy. Look at the neighboring countries to Switzerland, they all have stricter gun laws, yet Switzerland as lower crime rate, with three exception as far as I can tell.
crazypants88 4 months ago
@crazypants88 What you fail to remember is that Swiss gun laws are strict., and I said before that the US would go a long way forward if they adopted laws similar to Switzerland.
quedorf 4 months ago
@quedorf Are they? You can get anti-tank rocket launchers with an easily-obtainable license and anyone can buy at least some kinds of long arms without any need for a record of the purchase to show up.
TheDamiandemos 2 months ago
@crazypants88 And I already explained to you that guns are not the only factor, but it is one. One can make a link between the two when the preponderance of the evidence is leaning towards those comparable countries with functional gun control have a lower firearm homicide rate, yet a comparable non firearm homicide rate. And Switzerland has a low firearm homicide rate, yet there are many comparable countries with lower, or very similar rates including Finland, Hungary, Germany, Canada, England
quedorf 4 months ago
@crazypants88 .....No reasonable person would expect to eliminate all crime, but the laws intent is a reduction in crime. Of course ideally elimination is what people want, but that is impossible. So no there is no gaping hole in my argument. My argument is reasonable gun control reduces crime. Lets look at comparable figures Non firearm related homicides per country are almost comparable (Canada 1.05 Switzerland 0.4 US 1.58). Now firearm related (Canada 0.54 Swiss 0.56 US 2.97)......
quedorf 4 months ago
@crazypants88 .....This shows clearly that US has an issue with guns that comparable countries do not have. Which goes back to what I said. The US does not have to get rid of gun, but they do have to be more strict and consistent on the controlling of the guns.
quedorf 4 months ago
@quedorf contd.
Switzerland might have strict gun laws, but they don't commit the same fallacy as most countries by giving militiamen weapons, not restricting weapons to citizens and thinking that won't bite them in the ass when criminals break those laws and get guns through illegal means.
Sure I'll agree that smuggling guns would be difficult, but that doesn't make it impossible. It's still is a gaping hole in your argument.
crazypants88 4 months ago
@crazypants88 ............An extreme example. If you are a criminal, and every gun in a country is locked and secured well according to the law, getting a gun for a crime will be much more difficult, than if these guns are laying around everywhere and easily stolen. Guns could be brought in from outside across guarded borders, but you have to admit it is much more difficult to do so, than across a unguarded border where no laws exist to prevent this...................
quedorf 5 months ago
@crazypants88 ....... As I always said, it will not eliminate all crime, but it will reduce it. Of course there are other factors, and anyone will admit that. Poverty, lack of social programs etc, but gun availability, and lax laws dealing with such, are one of the factors.
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf contd.
Right gun control is set to prevent gun crime, right? So it does operate under the same principle. If you're going to put something as law, it follows that only those who abide by laws are going to follow them. Criminals don't follow the laws on murder, rape or theft, why would they follow the laws regarding guns? According to your argumentation drug trade as it is today, i.e. booming, could not exist because it's against the law and the state limits access to it.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 ..... The varying laws is exactly what I was referring to when I said "something the US lacks as a whole". Some states and areas have good laws, but they are hobbled by the ones that have terrible laws, and right across a undefended state border.
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf Oh ok I just misunderstood you then.
Again, parallels to the drug trade. Illegal drugs go from areas where it's illegal to where it's illegal, why couldn't gun smugglers do the same?
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 .............To address your original comparison. Check on the usage, and deaths related to illegal drugs, and compare it to the usage, deaths related to legal drugs such as tobacco, and alcohol. I think you will find that although the war on drugs might not be a roaring success, it does have an effect. Same goes for GOOD gun laws.
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf Sure it has an effect, the effect being that because these drugs aren't made by the same professional standard as legal recreational drugs are, they are much more dangerous to consume. Just like when alcohol was made illegal in the US and in my own country, alcohol became much more expensive and much more dangerous. You could go blind or even die from it. Granted people still die from alcohol today but it's undeniably more safe than when it was illegal.
contd
crazypants88 5 months ago
@quedorf contd.
Then there's gangs that get extremely rich and powerful because of illegal drug trade. Today there are no gangs fighting over the sale of liquor, like they were when it was illegal.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 Yes that is fine, but we are not discussing making guns illegal. We are discussing making proper gun laws. Guns are not illegal in Canada. There are many many guns. No one will get rich off of a black market gun ring, unless they find fools to sell overpriced guns to.
quedorf 5 months ago
@quedorf Right I realize the difference, it's just both of these concepts suffer from the same fatal flaw, that criminals follow laws.
I'm pretty sure the guy who smuggles arms into Mexico and up until recently Libya is living pretty well. Mexico BTW has one of the strictest gun laws on the planet, yet the cartels are armed to the teeth.
crazypants88 5 months ago
The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton
PapaLuvTLC 8 months ago
FUCK! I could not agree more, I've been going through so much paper work to get a gun licence and now I'm going through the probation period of 6 months to get my handgun, why can't we be like America, instant background checks and you can have a handgun and be shooting it in an hour and permits for concealed weapons, why the fuck don't we have that, I've almost been robbed 3 times, thankfully I carry quite a large hunting knife on me yes I know it's illegal but it's protected but I'd like a gun
AussieBoyX 9 months ago
@AussieBoyX In june it will be a year and I'm waiting for a permit, no word. So its not instant buddy, but this is NY
mycaddigo 9 months ago
Although I agree with most of this video, anyone who knows history can categorically state that the percentage of armed American citizens was not a determining factor for Japan to invade the United States. They never intended to invade mainland USA in the first place. The Japanese however, did invade American territory in Alaska (see the Aleutian Islands campaign).
doggreen 9 months ago
In Canada we are engaged in a constant fight to protect what few gun rights we still have. The last year has seen some surprising turns in our favor, but it takes 110% to keep up progress. Australia is sadly an example us Canadian gun owners use to illustrate the folly of antis. Here's hoping things change for the better for everyone.
RabidSpatulaPaul 9 months ago
@TheStellapoint settle down comrade Gun Control was designed to lower gun crime and it its done that, you are more likely to die in a road accident than murdered and if you are murdered odds are you've been stabbed to death.
irishgodfatherchris 9 months ago
Japan has very strict gun laws and very little gun crime. Switzerland has very liberal gun laws and very little gun crime. Mexico has strict gun laws and high gun crime. Plenty of countries have, de facto or de jure, liberal gun control and high gun crime. It seems to me that resources, education, and social values are more indicative of violence than gun ownership is. There's no denial that guns are a tool which may be used violently, though.
mscme1 9 months ago
@mscme1 Actually no; race and ethnicity are more indicative of violence than gun owernship. Switzerland and Japan have VERY few blacks and browns for instance. Japan has practically NO blacks or browns; the Japanese as a people are HIGHLY racist against non-japs. Whatever any countries gun laws, if it is filled with large amounts of third world people or large concentrations of minorities, there will be very high crime.
xChuckNorrisKickx 9 months ago
41 people are totally retarded and need to leave this country submit to slavery somewhere else.
chocoholic77 10 months ago
9.CANADIANS DO NOT USE FIREARMS FOR SELF-DEFENCE
10.AUTOMATICS, SEMIAUTOMATICS, AND "MILITARY ASSAULT" FIREARMS ARE MORE DANGEROUS THAN OTHER GUNS AND ARE THE WEAPONS OF CHOICE IN CRIME
SPREAD THE WORD, SAY NO TO OPPRESSIVE GUN LAWS
zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx 10 months ago
Ten Myths About Gun Control
1.VERY FEW PEOPLE IN CANADA OWN FIREARMS
2.CANADIANS WANT MORE RESTRICTIVE "GUN CONTROL" LAWS
3.REDUCING THE NUMBER OF GUNS WILL LOWER VIOLENT CRIME
4.RESTRICTIVE "GUN CONTROL" LAWS REDUCE ROBBERY
5.HOMICIDES ARE COMMITTED BY "AVERAGE" PEOPLE ARMED WITH LEGALLY OWNED FIREARMS
6.ELIMINATING FIREARMS WILL REDUCE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
7.FIREARM LEGISLATION REDUCES SUICIDE AND FIREARM ACCIDENTS
8.RESTRICTING LEGAL ACCESS TO GUNS DETERS THE ARMED CRIMINAL
zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx 10 months ago
@zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx I have an issue with the 5th 'myth', since 12 people in my community were murdered by a man who most would consider average. He used firearms which he was legally allowed to own. It's not a myth if there's proof it happens.
LastKissGoodbye 9 months ago
@LastKissGoodbye IF that happended, that is an extremely rare occurence. 9/10 it is criminals with illegally owned firearms. I would also like to see some proof of what you are claiming.
zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx 9 months ago
@zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx search for Whitehaven shootings.
LastKissGoodbye 9 months ago
@LastKissGoodbye Bad things will happen as long as there are bad people out there. Guns are just tool and if someone wants to hurt you they will, with or without a gun. Passing laws to disarm the people make no sense because criminals don't follow laws. If on the other hand the criminal thinks that he might get shot while committing a crime by the citizens he might think twice about it. In the case you mention if the public were armed someone might have been able to stop him before he got to 12.
fishndoc11 9 months ago
@fishndoc11 that only works if people with legal weapons are flouting the storage laws and carrying on the street.
LastKissGoodbye 9 months ago
@LastKissGoodbye That's why we have concealed carry laws. No one has to "flout" the storage laws when it is legal to carry a concealed weapon and protect yourself and the public with it. Concealed carry laws have consistantly lowered the rate of violent crime when a state passes them. Why? Because as I said before the bad guys don't want to get shot so they will look for easier targets elsewhere. Perhaps where guns are illegal so the honest people will be disarmed.
fishndoc11 9 months ago
@fishndoc11 Or better yet, potential criminals have something to think about, which itself reduces crime. Consider it... peer pressure: "If you commit a criminal act, especially a violent act, you are far more likely to face severe consequences. In other words, don't do it."
garwoodv6 9 months ago
@garwoodv6 I agree. CCW is a great crime deterrent.
fishndoc11 9 months ago
@LastKissGoodbye I watched a few videos about it, and Im sorry to hear that it happened in your community, or if any of your firends were killed, it looks like a terrible incident. But again like I said that is a very rare occurance, and gun control will not stop it from happening, as the video prooved, it said UK has some of the strictest gun laws, and the firearms were legal, but it still happened, but then again these occurances are very rare, most of the time it is illegally owned guns.
zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx 9 months ago
i just want to participate in target shooting and its hard to get a license for that and handgun laws are ridiculous
AgentMonkeyzz 10 months ago
For decades democrats/liberals have pushed for gun control because they are the criminals and would love to see us vulnerable. I can see where we'd getting robbed, murdered by these low life democrats & their associates. The main reason i believe the left is against capital punishment due to they commit most of the violent crimes. Liberals don't want the death penalty used on themselves. They also are the prison guards making a liven housing prisoners.1 less liberal=several freed tax payers!
ISUCN 10 months ago
i thought australians had balls
MrJumbolegz 10 months ago
FUCK!! THIS IS STUPID STUPID STUPID
FUCK DIDNT THEY SEE THIS COMING? YUK
Titleification 10 months ago
Here's the truth guys people are always going to kill people for reasons sane people won't understand. Maybe it's for drugs? Maybe for money to pay rent? Maybe their just crazy? But the real question is are you able to do what is necessary to protect yourself and your family? Most guns used in crimes in America are illegal anyway most of them came across the border from Mexico criminals don't care about adding five years because of gun possession to a life sentence.
Snigglit 11 months ago
i listened to everyone USA & Australia wasnt invaded because its just to far ...look at the world map.56 million people never got executed because of gun control was a war tanks and bombs & how these issues relate to today i do not know.This is a computer generated video because no human would be dumb enough to tell these lies.In Australia we dont have Gun Control we have laws.Someone sent me an email telling me that when people die its worth the sacrifice for Gun Rights.Makes me upset.
chantal1235 11 months ago
you can have my gun....out of my dead cold fingers
Hoschi0913 11 months ago 3
Switzerland has the highest gun ownership rate in all of Europe (3rd in the world), and yet they only have a murder rate of 0.7 per 100,000 people (and 0.3 homicide by firearm). The UK's is 1.28 per 100,000 people (probably the strictest gun laws in all of Europe) while Russia's murder rate is 15.0 per 100,000 people (very strict, all handguns are banned). South Korea is VERY strict gun laws (even more so than the UK) and their murder rate is 2.3, so clearly there is no correlation.
lavahornet2 11 months ago 38
@lavahornet2 I Have to dis agree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
Crogers2010 9 months ago
@lavahornet2 I Have to disagree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
Crogers2010 9 months ago
@lavahornet2 I Have to dis agree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
Crogers2010 9 months ago
@lavahornet2 I Have to dis agree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
Crogers2010 9 months ago
@lavahornet2 I Have to dis agree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
Crogers2010 9 months ago
I Have to dis agree the South Koreans have a different type of society than that of America or other European nations. The South Koreans are more about the whole community and helping out. thus no reason to steal or murder where in other countries listed it is more individualized thus South Korea statistic should be tossed out. As well one anomaly does not off set a trend of data as you gave.
Crogers2010 9 months ago
@lavahornet2
I'd be grateful if you could share the source of your statistics. I could use it if required.
virendra24bangalore 7 months ago
@virendra24bangalore I found it on Wikipedia actually haha (but don't worry all numbers are cited) "List of countries by intentional homicide rate" and where I got the Switzerland having the 3rd largest civilian arsenal was also Wikipedia, "List of countries by gun ownership" as long as the information is cited then it's okay.
lavahornet2 7 months ago
@lavahornet2
Thanks
virendra24bangalore 7 months ago
@lavahornet2 why didn't you mention america? is it because the murder rate is so high, you don't want to mention it?
The18plusOver 7 months ago
@The18plusOver The United States murder rate is 5.0 per 100,000 people, and NO. Russia's murder rate is 13 per 100,000 people and has strict gun control and all handguns are banned. Some states in the US like New Hampshire(0.8 per 100,000 people) or Vermont (1.1 per 100,000 and one doesn't even need a permit to carry a handgun) and in spite of having the laxest gun laws in the country they still have a murder rate slightly less than the UK (1.28 per 100,000 people)
lavahornet2 7 months ago 14
Ironically a law designed to disarm the Australian people resulted in the creation of what can only be described as the Australian Underground Army. Whilst a lot of guns were handed, many more were not. The government of the day were in error when they introduced the law before have a pre-licensing phase and comprehensive audit to determine what was out there, how many, and who had them. In addition to the weapons pre 79 are the W11 surplus weapons .. Lawrence LYons (infowarsnetau vid clip)
infowarsnetau 4 months ago in playlist Gun Control Knowledge
@The18plusOver and Australia's too (1.3 per 100,000 people) I'm not saying more guns = less crime but there's no correlation EITHER WAY!
lavahornet2 7 months ago
@lavahornet2 No handguns in Russia?What about semi autos in Russia?
Humberto4790 6 months ago
@Humberto4790 Yes, you can own semi-automatic shotguns and rifles in Russia, like the Saiga-12 for instance :) Oh I guess you can own handguns but not cartridge firing, just rubber ball firing or tear gas. And you have to get your shotgun license first, safe use of this arsenal for 5 years allows purchase of a rifle afterwards,
lavahornet2 6 months ago
You think you have it bad try coming to the UK. Here you can legally carry a folding pocket knife if the blade is under 3inches and it does not lock. But if for any reason you are searched and found to have Any blade on you you can still be prosecuted for carrying an offensive weapon. Yes that means you have to hide the fact you have a Swiss-Army penknife in your pocket! So imagine what it's like if you want to own even an Airsoft gun let alone an Air rifle or god forbid a shotgun!
TacticalAtheist 11 months ago
australias gun laws suck not to mention all the other stupid laws but thats what happens when you have a woman running the country lol
malcolmxxxtdevils 11 months ago
i live in canberra, the capital of australia and i can clearly say that it is the most crime ridden area in australia, there are drug dealers, murderers, rapists, pedophiles, gansters, car thieves and muggers EVERYWHERE. this is due to the fact that australia in most cases does not support self-defence, an example being that we cant even carry mace or a tazer without being criminally charged!!
mummysez1mspecial 11 months ago
Yeah its so stupid! I cant even get an airsoft Gun in australia unless im gonna settle for something crap which probably couldnt be used for anything besides target practice at 20m
Spirky7 1 year ago
I have NEVER heard it said more clearly. None of my guns have ever shot a person. But guns are the ONLY reason criminals won't invade my home and take my wife or daughter. PERIOD.Isn't it good to know,That when seconds count, Police are only 20 miniutes away.Criminals have NO reguard for the law and any law that restricts our right to defend ourselves is unconstitutional and leaves us defenceless.Our forefathers knew more in1776 than most Americans obviously do now. GET A CLUE!
diginit3 1 year ago 27
@diginit3
Where I live, the police are an hour away during business hours, and at least an hour and a half away at night. My .22mag and single barrel 12g. were taken by the police last year because of an unpleasant divorce (What other kind is there?). Now I have to spend my meagre income on pro shooters to keep the foxes and wild dods under control.
Last month my dog latched onto a drug-fuck trying to steal farm chemicals from the shed - the council orderred me to put him down; How? I asked
crocfme 11 months ago
@crocfme
The council took him away with electrical tape holding his mouth shut and euthanised him. I'll never get over it, and I'll never forgive them. The cops (mostly) are only doing their job I guess, tho always 2 hours too late, but local councils are vermin scum.
Anyway; all my chickens are gone, this year's lambing will be a disaster, and I'm thinking of emigrating to a free country somewhere.
crocfme 11 months ago
@crocfme It's great here in the Pacific Northwest, I live in Seattle. Rains a lot though. Sorry to hear about your dog, that's terrible!
lavahornet2 11 months ago
@crocfme They were talking about the drug-fuck right, not your dog, he was good defense.
MrUS1972 11 months ago
@diginit3 i thumbed you up like a million times if that counts for anything
MrJumbolegz 10 months ago
@diginit3 And the best defense is if every person in the house has been taught about and how to use them. And if you need over 2 shots to get the job done, you need more practice time.
TheBiscuit08 9 months ago
@diginit3 20 minutes? Try 90....(looks at the newspaper on the Norway shootings)....
I agree! :)
CanadianReich 6 months ago
@diginit3
What if the crim doesn't have a weapon what if the crim came to steal you're food because he or seh was hungry or just wanted something for free, only cowards use guns who can't fight with their fists learn karate or a martial art and then you will be able to defend you're self safely from assaults, most assaults that happen in my country are not done by knife because we have no access to weapons what so ever even knifes.
Dimitri0809 6 months ago
@Dimitri0809 You are obviously uninformed. No martial art can stop a bullet.Just because you idiots allowed yourselves to be disarmed and completely controlled by your government,Doesn't mean we have to.Please stay in your country as we need no more dummies imported.I had to use my belt once against 2 jerks that tried to dump me into a river off a bridge and take my girlfriend. If your hands were registered weapons,Mr. martial arts,I could shoot you in self defence.legally.You know nothing.
diginit3 6 months ago
@diginit3
Dimitri, You don't have knives?How do you cut your steak?Or does your government do it for you?Your post is so full of sh*t. Your CRIME rate is higher than ours.You are nothing but sheeple and you call me a coward? Wish you were here...
P.S. learn how to spell if you want anyone to actually understand what you post. There is also a book. "Self defence for dummies." Buy it and have someone read it to you.
diginit3 6 months ago
@Dimitri0809 You are a fool. Ill tell you what tough guy. I will meet you somewhere. You bring your martial arts and a knife if you want to. Ill bring my CC. You pull your knife, Ill shoot you. What else you got slick?
rb2112002 6 months ago
@Dimitri0809
Tell that to a disabled person who can't protect them selves from a strong teen aged thug.
Bleys1973 5 months ago
@Dimitri0809 Shut up you pussy. You'd piss yourself and cry like a little girl if you had to deal with the scumbags that tried to rob me twice with knives. I drew and aimed and they ran like little girls, like you would with piss and shit filling your panties
36mauijim 5 months ago
@36mauijim
You're a pussy cause you use a gun. and a coward.
Dimitri0809 5 months ago
@Dimitri0809 I'm a man with the guts to defend myself and my family. You'd be in the corrner pissing yourself and begging for the cops to come save your worthless ass. your kind of limp-wristed pussy wannabee makes me sick
36mauijim 5 months ago 7
@36mauijim
Well 2 can play that game you want fucking chaos dickhead, I'm fine with that only thing is what if the crim shoots first then you will be the first to go, after all you couldn't defend you're self without a gun so now you got gun in ur fucking face because a nation couldn't keep their gun control policies under control, you asked for it dickhead.
Dimitri0809 5 months ago
@Dimitri0809 You are such a pathetic piece if shit, can't even make a coherent response. I'm former military, licensed to carry a concealed firearm, which requires a very extensive background check and I practice several times a month. I'm also a range safety officer and handgun instructor. I'm almost 50 and I don't care to take on several young crack addicts in hand to hand combat. I consider that common sense. As my TI said, fight smarter, not harder
36mauijim 5 months ago
@Dimitri0809 BTW you really shouldn't attempt to respond to comments online. You just expose your ignorance in glaring detail
36mauijim 5 months ago
@Dimitri0809 And just to amuse myself I will respond to your inane comment " what if the crim shoots first"? on the off chance he fired 1st and was able to hit me what do I lose? I try to defend myself and die or I don't try to defend myself and die anyway? Oh, that's right. According to you I'm the bad guy for wanting to stay alive instead of waiting for police to come and tag and bag my dead body
36mauijim 5 months ago
@Dimitri0809 so the military and police force is full of pussies and cowards? oh you are so right about that, the soldiers should just run up to the enemy with knives and fists huh? get a life idiot.
LooksLegitBro 5 months ago
@Dimitri0809 You are a moron. Please die at your earliest convenience.
tlucentefl 5 months ago
@Dimitri0809 So I shouldn't even try to fight back against a criminal (using equal force, AKA a gun) because he might shoot me before I can shoot him? THAT is a coward's argument, chief!
YOU, Dimitri0809, appear to be the coward here! (Are you a faggot too? Wouldn't surprise me, a lot of anti-gunners are!)
bjggjb 5 months ago
You're a tough stud-muffin then? You going to do the Batman thing and punch out that mugger?
Nah. You're full of shit, and probably admire thugs (or their butts sticking out the top of those saggin' jeans, anyway.)
bjggjb 5 months ago
I dont believe it , at first in australia it might have gone up but now no guns is good , though the truth is the knife attacks have gone up ...stabbed or shoot ...bad people are bad and if they want to rob rape and be ratbags they could use a pole xx
chargersbride 1 year ago
The commanding Admiral of Japan, Isoroku Yamamoto, who had total military control of the war plans given to him by the Emperor said, thought it would be suicide. In his own words, "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
Makes me wonder now why so many are for gun control considering our second amendment was a great detterent to the US being invaded during WWII.
herndonchevy 1 year ago 7
@herndonchevy I one hundred percent AGREE with you on that one
BlueCollarSurvival 1 year ago
@herndonchevy You do realize that this quote was most certainly never said by Yamamoto, and is thought by most historians as a fake. As well, the Japanese had no interest in invading the US, and it had nothing to do with guns or the 2nd amend. It had to do with resources. The Japanese had other interests, and did not have the resources to invade somethign they did not want.
quedorf 1 year ago
@quedorf they never had any plans in the first place to invade the US that was the whole idea of Pearl Harbour it was designed to knock the US out of the war before they had a chance to enter it.
irishgodfatherchris 11 months ago
@quedorf the Japanese did try to invade the US and Canada through Alaska; they were fought off by the natives and didn't get past Dutch harbor, because they weren't ready for arctic warfare.
Poptartza 11 months ago
@Poptartza Yes technically they did invade US soil, but did not have any interest in mainland continental US. You clearly know that this was a strategic invasion to assist in controlling pacific routes. The point is that they had no interest in mainland US, and US citizens being armed had nothing to do with their lack of interest.
quedorf 11 months ago
this is a lie ... just listen it say's Japan decided not to invade america because they knew American's were armed ... Pearl Harbor was real and USA just dropped a nuke on Japan.I am Australian gun related deaths and injury dropped from 600+ people to 300+ people in one year .America wake up most websites tell me you have 250k deaths and injuries from firearms every year 250K deaths & injuries.People are sold fear and only own a handgun to protect themselfs from others who own handguns.
chantal1235 1 year ago
@chantal1235 Dude, Pearl Harbor wasn't a fuckin' invasion... If the japs "invaded" by dropping damn bombs and shit on boats and shooting up the barracks, then i guess the USA invaded when they dropped two nukes on them right?
sportbikeandhunter 1 year ago
@sportbikeandhunter i agree with you im just making a point that this video is untrue all of it's a lie ... did Japan try to invade USA yeah they tried & they didnt care if anyone owned a gun ... Hawaii is part of the USA.I am Australian & Victorian and everything said in this video is untrue but there isnt enough room in this small box to rip each comment apart so my comment was an example.
chantal1235 1 year ago
@sportbikeandhunter just because it wasnt a succesful invasion doesnt mean they didn't try .If you would like to chat to me about guns for self defense i am more than happy to swap idea's with you but i say no more about 2nd world war wow Japan Germany etc they were going to invade every country.So can we talk about hanguns please.
chantal1235 1 year ago
@chantal1235 250,000? your facts are way off it's less than 1/10th of that, and over 80% of all murders with guns in the US are from people who illegally obtained them
Poptartza 11 months ago
@Poptartza yes maybe 250,000 is wrong so we go with 1/10th and remove 80% which makes 5,000 innocent men woman & children murdered .When i quoted that figure i never said murdered i said deaths & injuries (meaning suicide,accident,law enforcement etc) . Anyway 5,000 precious people is 5,000 to many.
chantal1235 11 months ago
ya look at that one town in Kansas they have a law that all civilians are required to own at lest 1 firearm per household and all gun related crime dropped 3% and if i remember right last year it was down 20% and that was just one town hehe
masterofnotmuch 1 year ago 2