Probably not true this is just my idea so go on and hate but if it were to end we can develop more powerful transistors.graphine transistors for example is more powerful than silicon
Probably not true this is just my idea so go on and hate but if it were to end we can develop more powerful transistors.graphine transistors for example is more powerful than silicon
@artthugable But it's true.. all the technologies in the iPhone were present at least 10 years before it's existence (maybe even more). Apple were just the first to see it's potential, as was the case with Xerox as well.
@VeXorian1337 I don't agree, you should do research into Handspring, early HTC and even windows CE. You might not like what you see. You'll shit when I tell you that Apple bought almost all of its early patents from Xerox and just re-purposed them...
@artthugable What? I think there was some confusion in my statement. No I'm not an Apple fan boy, in fact I never possessed an Apple product. Nor am I stating that Apple's technology is new, in fact I was doing the otherwise. Apple DID indeed buy patents from other companies. It's technology already present, but not utilized properly. You're just repeating my statement. Good for you, make "shitload of money", I don't care. I make shitload of money myself as both software and hardware engineer..
@VeXorian1337 I think there *was* some confusion, I am used to defending my opinions to fan boys. At first read your reply seemed to praise the iphone in a direct contrast to my comment. Also I am not rich *no* apple consultants are. There is no trickle effect down in corporations, well maybe at google...
@artthugable It's funny, because at first I thought you were praising Apple yourself .. hahahahaha .. This is one of the reasons why I hate YouTube commentary nowadays :P
Respond to this video... Anyways I'm not going to assume you're a apple fan-boy but you should do some research before you reply with opinion only bases responses. By the way I make a shit load of money advising Apple on
system continuity so I guess that makes me an expert...?
Laser processor, photon processor, quantum computer, 3D processors, bioprocessors, chemical processors, nanotube processors, and all combinations of those. Moore is here to stay or about to leave, but not because of techology, but because of Peak Oil, or WW III, or something of that scale.
@trakkaton Moores law is going away because of technology. The replacement of silcon itself will kinda replace that law. A combination of all those applications you just named will end it. Not even wwiii could end moore's law. Or oil prices. More than likely the tech is already made it just not ready to give it for civilian use. Prime ex: Internet existed back in the 30's was not given till the 90's.
WWIII/ Peak Oil/ Just in Time breakdown/ the derivatives bubble/ petrod0llar collapse - all of those are capable to render all you know obsolete and make Murphy's Law the only one you can count on.
@selftaughtninja no the internet was NOT around in the 30's, it was originaly created in the 50's to dominate the soviet union in a nuclear war, claiming that it existed back in the 30's is straight out ridiculous for the fact that in the 30's we had absolutely no computer power at all. the closest to a computer we had was radio..
@oOcrazy95Oo But trying to make trillions of transistors on 1 chip, and making hundreds of thousands of chips and trying to dissipate the heat in those chips is just impractical.
@selftaughtninja Only if we find a way to overcome quantum tunneling, otherwise what I said previously stands true and the electron we try to channel in order to create our logic gates will just escape or go in a whole variety of random areas that we cannot control or manipulate.
@selftaughtninja The what? I am talking about the standard consequence of quantum tunneling when you pursue quantum computers. In order to even come close to perfecting the usage of graphene chips that fundamental problem has to be solved. Otherwise there would be a limit to how small transistors can be, and to gain any performance increase will require larger chips and better cooling. PS, by singularity do you mean when computers obtain self-awareness or something of that sort?
@jayjjj3 Yes I am referring to that. I was refferring to your last comment. "in order to create our logic gates will just escape or go in a whole variety of random areas that we cannot control or manipulate."
But understand what your talking about. We're not there yet. But its getting close. Or something is. Either Moore's law will end or it will evolve and extend . Who knows? Only time will tell.
I hate how my stuff gets outdated in months. I'll be glad when there isn't any more new stuff coming out. Dam Pentium 4 computer! Dam Motorola cliq. Dam tv! LOL
I'm getting a amd phenom x6 1095T right in a year amd is going to release it's next processor line. Now what!
Moore's Law has hit a brick wall right now, the only reason cpus are getting faster is because of multicores. When will the adding of cores stop? 32? 64? 128? who Knows, but truth is a single core can't double its speed in 18months anymore, which is what ML said it would.
yeah all well and good mate but when u consider that H is just one proton and one electron how would you propose that we "cut" it?
even by "cutting" larger multi photon atoms u get nuclear fission which of course is very unstable
I think (and so does everyone else) that the way forward will of course be quantum computing which is barely out of the conceptual stage at the moment.
Consider the memristor. It resists electricity depending on the prior current level. The active elements in the HP version are 60 nanometers wide, and it can retain at least 256 different resistance levels.
Rumors of bounds on Moore's Law appear periodically. It would do good for a bounds discoverer to review prior bounds discoveries.
if i cut a piece of pie in half and keep cutting the half in half, will i ever run out of the pie...????? nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them..
The problem with M Chips is that the smaller they are, the hotter they get (more heat they produce). By 2015-20 Microsoft or IBM will have to come up with an alternative than to chip building, as by then, the chip would be to small to process. The only way for IMB etc, can survive, is to start now in building Proton based computers (Quantum Processors) which many think, that this would take another 50 years or so.
@wizzboy76 Is the end of Moore's law - while inevitable - something so catastrophic? Chipmakers would have a hard time since it removes the need to constantly upgrade computers or buy new ones. I do not believe that is significantly slows down the speed by which technological progress will progress. And if it did we would not mind it at all. Progress is accelerating to a degree that is puzzling now. To have a decade or two with relative stagnation would not be too serious.
Yeah Moore's law is coming to an end. I will never use money on a new pc anymore! YEAH this is great. Thumbs up if you agree!
JOTTABYTE 2 weeks ago
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Probably not true this is just my idea so go on and hate but if it were to end we can develop more powerful transistors.graphine transistors for example is more powerful than silicon
goalieborn 6 months ago
Probably not true this is just my idea so go on and hate but if it were to end we can develop more powerful transistors.graphine transistors for example is more powerful than silicon
goalieborn 6 months ago
Aslong as there is currency and therefore money to be made by very greedy men, there will be Moore's law.
TheTrueJBV3737 8 months ago
1:09-1:11 LOL at his pony tail... XD
DanielAvilaAGT 8 months ago 4
I'm guessing there would be heat dissipation problems with running thick 3D / vertical structures?
tyebillion 9 months ago
his rat tail is so distracting
Ninji00 10 months ago
I wish they would stop eating and listen to the the bloke!
TheGodParticle 11 months ago
I nearly pissed myself laughing... "iphone doesn't represent leading edge technology in almost any dimension"
artthugable 1 year ago 5
@artthugable But it's true.. all the technologies in the iPhone were present at least 10 years before it's existence (maybe even more). Apple were just the first to see it's potential, as was the case with Xerox as well.
VeXorian1337 3 months ago
@VeXorian1337 I don't agree, you should do research into Handspring, early HTC and even windows CE. You might not like what you see. You'll shit when I tell you that Apple bought almost all of its early patents from Xerox and just re-purposed them...
artthugable 2 months ago
@artthugable What? I think there was some confusion in my statement. No I'm not an Apple fan boy, in fact I never possessed an Apple product. Nor am I stating that Apple's technology is new, in fact I was doing the otherwise. Apple DID indeed buy patents from other companies. It's technology already present, but not utilized properly. You're just repeating my statement. Good for you, make "shitload of money", I don't care. I make shitload of money myself as both software and hardware engineer..
VeXorian1337 2 months ago
@VeXorian1337 I think there *was* some confusion, I am used to defending my opinions to fan boys. At first read your reply seemed to praise the iphone in a direct contrast to my comment. Also I am not rich *no* apple consultants are. There is no trickle effect down in corporations, well maybe at google...
artthugable 2 months ago
@artthugable It's funny, because at first I thought you were praising Apple yourself .. hahahahaha .. This is one of the reasons why I hate YouTube commentary nowadays :P
VeXorian1337 2 months ago
Respond to this video... Anyways I'm not going to assume you're a apple fan-boy but you should do some research before you reply with opinion only bases responses. By the way I make a shit load of money advising Apple on
system continuity so I guess that makes me an expert...?
artthugable 2 months ago
Laser processor, photon processor, quantum computer, 3D processors, bioprocessors, chemical processors, nanotube processors, and all combinations of those. Moore is here to stay or about to leave, but not because of techology, but because of Peak Oil, or WW III, or something of that scale.
trakkaton 1 year ago
@trakkaton Moores law is going away because of technology. The replacement of silcon itself will kinda replace that law. A combination of all those applications you just named will end it. Not even wwiii could end moore's law. Or oil prices. More than likely the tech is already made it just not ready to give it for civilian use. Prime ex: Internet existed back in the 30's was not given till the 90's.
selftaughtninja 8 months ago
@selftaughtninja
WWIII/ Peak Oil/ Just in Time breakdown/ the derivatives bubble/ petrod0llar collapse - all of those are capable to render all you know obsolete and make Murphy's Law the only one you can count on.
trakkaton 8 months ago
@trakkaton lol...evolution of mankind. touche. lmao
selftaughtninja 8 months ago
@trakkaton oops nvm. Thats darwins law. I'm feeling under the weather today.
selftaughtninja 8 months ago
@selftaughtninja no the internet was NOT around in the 30's, it was originaly created in the 50's to dominate the soviet union in a nuclear war, claiming that it existed back in the 30's is straight out ridiculous for the fact that in the 30's we had absolutely no computer power at all. the closest to a computer we had was radio..
MrDroopdog1 7 months ago
the smallest succesful transistor is 3 atoms across
1nm seems huge to 3 atoms
oOcrazy95Oo 1 year ago
@oOcrazy95Oo But trying to make trillions of transistors on 1 chip, and making hundreds of thousands of chips and trying to dissipate the heat in those chips is just impractical.
jayjjj3 1 year ago
@jayjjj3 Graphene chips or dna based computing is where were headed. With trillions of nano transistors which they're perfecting now.
selftaughtninja 8 months ago
@selftaughtninja Only if we find a way to overcome quantum tunneling, otherwise what I said previously stands true and the electron we try to channel in order to create our logic gates will just escape or go in a whole variety of random areas that we cannot control or manipulate.
jayjjj3 8 months ago
@jayjjj3 Are you talking about the singularity?
selftaughtninja 8 months ago
@selftaughtninja The what? I am talking about the standard consequence of quantum tunneling when you pursue quantum computers. In order to even come close to perfecting the usage of graphene chips that fundamental problem has to be solved. Otherwise there would be a limit to how small transistors can be, and to gain any performance increase will require larger chips and better cooling. PS, by singularity do you mean when computers obtain self-awareness or something of that sort?
jayjjj3 8 months ago
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@jayjjj3 Yes I am referring to that. I was refferring to your last comment. "in order to create our logic gates will just escape or go in a whole variety of random areas that we cannot control or manipulate."
But understand what your talking about. We're not there yet. But its getting close. Or something is. Either Moore's law will end or it will evolve and extend . Who knows? Only time will tell.
selftaughtninja 8 months ago
you will not run out of pie, unless you consume it lol..
TheEnrico05 1 year ago
I hate how my stuff gets outdated in months. I'll be glad when there isn't any more new stuff coming out. Dam Pentium 4 computer! Dam Motorola cliq. Dam tv! LOL
I'm getting a amd phenom x6 1095T right in a year amd is going to release it's next processor line. Now what!
JetJL 1 year ago
false. Look a the memoristers. It's going to continue for atleast another 20 years...
evanmwstuart 1 year ago
Moore's Law has hit a brick wall right now, the only reason cpus are getting faster is because of multicores. When will the adding of cores stop? 32? 64? 128? who Knows, but truth is a single core can't double its speed in 18months anymore, which is what ML said it would.
Reddoguk 1 year ago
@Reddoguk you are totally wrong. moores law says transistors on a chip doubles every 18months.
chumbucket843 1 year ago
@Reddoguk
Intel plans to go to 22nm next year.
trakkaton 1 year ago
@Reddoguk
Massively parallel processing is likely the future of computing. It's how our brains work, after all.
fuzzylogic11 1 year ago
who says u cant cut a hydrogen atom...mankind can do anything...
gwokerism 2 years ago
@gwokerism i can cut it in half just burn it lmao it is flammable after all
ajboomboom5 2 years ago
yeah all well and good mate but when u consider that H is just one proton and one electron how would you propose that we "cut" it?
even by "cutting" larger multi photon atoms u get nuclear fission which of course is very unstable
I think (and so does everyone else) that the way forward will of course be quantum computing which is barely out of the conceptual stage at the moment.
tuleo554 1 year ago
@gwokerism That is the attitude people need these days, Just cause you don't see it in the stores does not mean our brilliant minds have not done it.
NewRomeGaming 1 year ago
Consider the memristor. It resists electricity depending on the prior current level. The active elements in the HP version are 60 nanometers wide, and it can retain at least 256 different resistance levels.
Rumors of bounds on Moore's Law appear periodically. It would do good for a bounds discoverer to review prior bounds discoveries.
fluteler 2 years ago
if i cut a piece of pie in half and keep cutting the half in half, will i ever run out of the pie...????? nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them..
gwokerism 2 years ago
yes u wil u cant cut a atom of hydrogen in 2
croquis24 2 years ago
Moores Law......
The problem with M Chips is that the smaller they are, the hotter they get (more heat they produce). By 2015-20 Microsoft or IBM will have to come up with an alternative than to chip building, as by then, the chip would be to small to process. The only way for IMB etc, can survive, is to start now in building Proton based computers (Quantum Processors) which many think, that this would take another 50 years or so.
So is there any alternatives ?
wizzboy76 2 years ago
@wizzboy76 Is the end of Moore's law - while inevitable - something so catastrophic? Chipmakers would have a hard time since it removes the need to constantly upgrade computers or buy new ones. I do not believe that is significantly slows down the speed by which technological progress will progress. And if it did we would not mind it at all. Progress is accelerating to a degree that is puzzling now. To have a decade or two with relative stagnation would not be too serious.
omnivorous65 5 months ago