Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre Speaks -1 of 4

[celticcelticwger066]

Deutschland Deutschland ueber alles, umgewandelt in Trauermusik, sehr interessant!

[iotaunam1]

Ecumenism is not Catholic. John himself, the Apostle of love, who seems to reveal in his Gospel the secrets of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and who never ceased to impress on the memories of his followers the new commandment "Love one another," alogether forbid any intercourse with those who professed a mutilated and corrupt version of Christ's teaching: "If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house, nor say to him: God speed you."

[Kosta63]

I don not attend SSPX chapels or TLM regularly

but time will prove Mons Marcel LeFebvre was one of the most important Catholic figures in all of Church history. Santo Subito

[catholicam]

god have mercy on you

[liaanah]

Why do you say this?

[NearKhand]

Hpoefully the next thing to be addressed (which i think is more important) will be the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Or before that the release of the third secret of Fatima.

[lent77cv]

W Mons. Lefebvre Apostolo della Messa

[requiemaeturnum]

Wow. Do some research. His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI has called the SSPX a matter of internal reconciliation.

[Oblationem]

I think you will also find that Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos said; the SSPX is not in formal schism and is inside the Church. Google this for yourself.

[catholicam]

It matters more what the Pope says... In anycase i'm extremely glad His Holiness has lifted the excommunications from the 4 bishops.

Deo Gratias for FSSPX may they one day be in full and unproblematic communion with Rome

[Oblationem]

Yes, so long as the truths of Catholicism dont suffer.

[catholicam]

of course of course

[okwuoc]

God bless you Oblationem for the post. Thy reward remains in the Eternal Manssions if thou persevere by the grace of God through Mary our Mother.

For those still acknowledging the current apostate Vatican, my prayers for you will always be that you may see!!!

Just for the records, as tcb1991 has correctly mentioned, St. Peter became Pope after the acenssion. It is Catholic DOGMA that a true Pope CAN NEVER err in Faith or Morals. That makes all "popes" after Pope Pius XII to be antipopes. QED.

[liaanah]

Yes, but in all history, the popes of the ages only used this power of infallibility once, and that is to say that Mary our Mother conceived the Savior Immaculately.

[baldwalrus7]

That is not true. No pope has defined that Mary conceived Jesus immaculately (though that is, of course, already de fide). Pius IX defined the immaculate conception of Mary herself, if that's what you mean.

Pius XII also used papal infallibility in his "Munificentissimus Deus" to define Mary's assumption.

[tcb1991]

St Peter was'nt the pope when he denied jesus beccause,he become the leader of the church after of the Asension of the lord,

[Oblationem]

Yes, my mistake.

Peter was promised the Papacy in Matthew 16 when Jesus said, thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church. Then Peter was given the Papacy after Jesus was risen from the dead in John 21 when Jesus said, feed my lambs feed my sheep.

[ForEverCatholic]

Please, let us Catholics stop quarreling among us. Otherwise, the only one to win out of this will be the offspring of that damend Martin Luther (when I pronounce his name, it seems to me las if I were saying: Lucifer).

LUTHER, I HATE YOUR GUTS!

Long live the Catholic Church!

Let us be united under the Pope!!!

[Oblationem]

Some things are worth fighting for.

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold, nor hot. I would thou wert cold, or hot. But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.

[chrisman737]

"Where there is Rome, there is the Church." I pray that all who view this video will accept Pope Benedict XVI as the true pope.

[Oblationem]

Yes.., but as the late President Ronald Regan said: "Trust but verify".

[chrisman737]

"Trust but verify." And I really hope you do the same thing with your beloved Marcel Lefebvre. Personally, I will side with Rome and Pope Benedict XVI.

[Oblationem]

You are welcome to side with and with who ever you want to, free will eh?

I will side with 2,000 years of Tradition and Papacy, not necessarily any one pope.

I am not the first or the last to predict that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre akin to St. Athanasius, will one day be Canonized a Saint. I don't think JP2 the Great or B16 will make the cut. In fact, the good Archbishop will make the cut simply for the reasons that JP2 and B16 will not...

[chrisman737]

Well, to "make the cut," as you put it, requires a miracle. Pope John Paul II already has one -- in fact, he it is clear that God worked miracles through him while he was alive (though these latter miracles are not "admissible" for his cause). When I said I side with Rome and Pope Benedict XVI, I was saying I side with 2,000 years of Tradition. You side, unfortunately, with a schismatic. There is a difference.

[Oblationem]

John Paul II, this pope has arguably been the greatest disaster that the Church has known, having deprived greater numbers of the Roman Catholic faithful of the true Mass, Sacraments, and Faith than any other pope in history. He has canonized more saints than all the previous popes (put together) in the history of the Church. JPII did away with the Devil's Advocate. Thank God canonization is not invariably held to be an act of Papal infallibility.

[franmon88]

The Pope is the only one who can lead the Church.

Jesus said: "I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world". So Jesus is still in the Catholic Church and he is with the Pope Benedict XVI.

[Oblationem]

You left out the part that says, "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you."

[franmon88]

so? The Pope is chosen by the Holy Spirit so He can´t make mistakes.

The Catholic Curch is the real Jesus´s Curch and the Pope is the leader of that Curch.

Long Live the Pope!!!

[Oblationem]

The Pope can't make mistakes? Did you forget about St. Paul, who resisted St. Peter to the face when St. Peter fell from apostolic doctrine in Scripture? Would you like a long list of heresies of Pope Benedict XVI, not according to me, but from Church teachings and traditions? Did you forget that Peter denied Christ three times? No mistakes, better think again...

[tcb1991]

St Peter denied crist when Crist was alive, so St Peter was not pope yet.Just like any Cardinal now,or like razinger in 1988 they can make mistakes.

[IustitiaPax]

May this venerable Roman Catholic Archbishop Lefebvre, defender of Catholic Tradition and Truth, intercede for us in heaven before God. O, Blessed Mother, hear our prayers and intercede for the Restoration of the Holy Mother Church, One, Apostolic, Catholic and Roman!

[IustitiaPax]

Archbishop emeritus of Tulle, Marcel Lefebvre C.S.Sp. was not a "traditionalist" Catholic. He was a Roman Catholic archbishop who faithfully upheld the Faith of the one, holy, Catholic, apostolic and Roman Church in these times of crisis due to neo-modernism and liberalism and neo-marxism. There are no 'traditionalist' or 'liberalist' factions in the Church. One is either Catholic (accepts all dogma + Holy See), or one is a non-Catholic. Lefebvre was a saintly Roman Catholic of the Latin Church.

[Oblationem]

Thanks for explaining it, nicely done.

[IustitiaPax]

I just wanted to say, that one hás to uphold and fully believe Apostolic Tradition, otherwise one is not a Catholic. That is simple. That does not make on a traditional"ist" at all. Lefebvre was a good missionary. Until the end of his life. May he pray for us! Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us and for restoration and salvation from this deepest Church crisis éver!

[Oblationem]

True, what you say is correct.

Many others and I use the terms

'Traditionalist' and 'Novus Ordo' for ease of distinguishing between the two. But again, you are correct. We should all just simply be able to say, "I am a Catholic".

[TheoStuss]

It is not the question of omitting the Holy Trinity in the new form, but the Trinity and the Filioque is explicitly denied. In addition of denying the Filioque, God's power (an attribute proper to all Holy Divine Persons) is exactly identified with the Holy Ghost. The is beyond the rules of appropriation. You may say "the power of the Holy Ghost", or "the Ghost and the power", but never is the power the Holy Ghost. This is Cabalism and Jehova Witness theology.

[Oblationem]

Yes, and..."...We are forbidden by the Catholic religion to say there are three gods or lords. The Father was not made nor created nor begotten by anyone. The Son is from the Father alone, not made nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is from the Father and the Son, not made nor created nor begotten, but proceeding...

[Oblationem]

There is therefore one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits; and in this Trinity there is nothing first or later, nothing greater or less, but all three persons are coeternal and coequal with one another, so that in every respect, as has already been said above, both unity in Trinity, and Trinity in unity must be venerated. Therefore let him who wishes to be saved, think thus concerning the Trinity..." Sources Catholic Dogma. -- Denzinger.

[TheoStuss]

Dear Olbaltionem, (mail 1)

to give you some more details:

French form used during the Episcopal consecration of Mgr Breton in the arena of Dax, 2002 (my own translation into English) :

"So now pour out upon this chosen one that power which is from you, the sovereign Spirit

whom you gave to your beloved Son, Jesus Christ, the Spirit given by him to the holy

apostles, who founded the Church in every place to be your sanctuary for the unceasing glory and praise of your name."

[TheoStuss]

Mail 2:

compare this form with the Canon 9 of the Council of Ephesus:

THE CHURCH TEACHES 408, TAN-Books:

Canon 9. "If anyone says that the one Lord Jesus Christ was glorified by the Spirit, as making use of an alien power that worked through him and as having received from him the power to master unclean spirits and to work divine wonders among people, and does not rather say that it was his own proper Spirit through whom he worked the divine wonders, let him be anathema."

[TheoStuss]

Mail 3:

11th Council of Toledo. THE CHURCH TEACHES 301

"For He (the Holy Ghost) does not proceed from the Father to the Son, nor

from the Son to sanctify creatures, but He is shown to have proceeded from

both at once, because He is known as the love or the sanctity of both.Hence

we believe that the Holy Spirit is sent by both, as the Son is sent by the

Father.."

Now, what does the new form of Paul VI say?

[TheoStuss]

Mail 4:

Sine the new form of Paul VI is addressed to another god that is not the Triune God, this new order is unvalid. Father Cekada agrees with me.

[TheoStuss]

Yes, those are are good words. But one thing remains to be said: Not only our faith is in danger, but the priesthood as such, since Paul VI's new order of episcopal consecration denies the Holy Trinity by rejecting explicitly the Filioque in its very form. The words of the new form are against the 9th Can. of the Council of Ephesus and against the doctrine of the 11th Council of Toledo: "The Holy Ghost does not proceed from the Father to the Son".

[Oblationem]

"There is therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity: nor is there anything that has been added as though it once had not existed, but had entered afterwards: therefore the Father has never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit: and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever." New Advent Web Site.

[TheoStuss]

Yes, and that's why the Father does not give the Holy Ghost (who is the passive Spiration) to the Son; but by begetting the Son, the active spiration is not only one in the Father and the Son regarding its kind, but is numerically one. There is only one Spirator (Father and Son who are two "Spirantes"). Here Saint Thomas does contradict Saint Hillary of Poitier who supposed two Spirators.

[Oblationem]

And so... the new 'form' of Episcopal Consecration of Pope Paul Vi in 1968 omitting the proper Trinitarian formula on purpose or by mistake, means that most all the bishops and priests in the Novus Ordo church are invalid. Yes? If the Novus Ordos wanted to get valid, they would have to go to the SSPX to be conditionally or unconditionally re-ordained. The Church is in such a mess because there is no grace coming from the Novus Ordo Mass eh?

[TheoStuss]

Dear Oblationem,

it is not a question of an omission, as you say. The forms of ordination do not, unlike baptism, have to express the Trinity directly. But at least no form can explicitly go against the dogma of Blessed Trinity. The latter is the case of the new form of Paul VI.

Yes, there are hardly any bishops anymore and pseudo-bishops don't ordain priests. Just the oriental ones.

[labota51]

Excellent words from the Archbishop. May God cradle him in His eternal Glory.

[shorei]

Excellent! I, for one, am very grateful for the work you are doing by putting out these videos. Hopefully, it will help to awaken the lukewarm, and embolden the tepid.

[Oblationem]

This video dedicated to all the Souls lost because of the Second Vatican Council.

[medusa20023]

this is very very true. he was more correct that he ever imagined he'd be. the state of the church is sad with all the rampant freemasonry and prtestantism. the arch bishop will be a saint some day. excellent video!!!

[IACP]

Compeling words from a great and holy man. Words once heard and taught in every single Catholic institution.  Nicely presented.