She certainly does look Greek in this, but I am one of the people who beleive she was half Greek and half African. Dont forget, her sister Arsione was found at Ephesus and prooved via DNA that she was Greek, African and Egyptian but she had the face of a white european
@JudeMaris darling u r good in art but not in history at least ptolemaic part. zahi hawass says she is greek if you know him he tried to find and still is trying to find her tomb. another thing historians have always referred to her as a lagid i.e. children of Lagus, Ptolemy's father. Shakespeare made her a proud egyptian to add spice to his story.
@boronghousegtk Borong, you like the sound of your own voice far too much to be of any use here. I never claimed authenticity. Those who know history know this video can ONLY be an informed guess. If you approach this with the idea that I am trying to claim 100% accuracy (something even the most esteemed scholar cannot do) that's a greater reflection on your own substandard information, & I claim no responsibility for that. You're done here.
There two Cleopatra's. One was white, or white looking, and the other(the Cleopatra we know) was egyptian aka a blk woman. I didnt know that there was a "white" Cleopatra that was a ruler of Egypt at some point.
@YurrahAlHadi There was ONE Cleopatra and she was Greek. The Greeks occupied Kemet at this time and changed its name to "Egyptos". Who ever told you there was a "black" Cleopatra? That's as ridiculous and offensive as claiming a Chinese Malcolm X. The indigenous Kemetian civilization under "black" rule was LONG before the dynastic period of "white" rule. Kemetians built the Sphinx. The fact that we are never taught about THAT civilization in history class is why so many people are confused.
@YurrahAlHadi Scientists DO say that the face of the Sphinx is black African AND female ….and even with her nose chiseled off, she's a helluva lot prettier than Cleopatra. LOL
According to indigenous legend, the Sphinx was built in three stages starting some 54,000 years ago. The head we see today is re-carved from the eroded stump of the original. The Kemetian civilization is SERIOUSLY ancient, bro!
lol i always here rumors about that but theres never anything mentioned about it on any websites other than yahoo answers were ppl joke about it... how do u knw this? wheres a good source for it.. even wikipedia doesn't say anything abt that duno where ppl get that from about her blowing 100 or more roman soldiers. :|
whenever i look at her statue not her head replica... she looks alot better than what was portrayed in this video id say this video is inconsistent with her statue found at a burial site. however u tried kid nice job. google her statue u'd be shocked how good she looks, unlike the head thing shown here. thats just bullshit. O_o
@TippiP50 Just because we know her family for over 300 or so years makes it harder for her to come out as a pure white. what about you, who knows if you are white, you may have had black blood. u cannot deny it. you may or may not. and about Cleo's mom, better Tryphaena than the presumed Egyptian woman which is guessed by Werner Hub. dat's guessing and how can u put guessing in history? We know Cleo's ancestry better than Alexander the Great's.
Actually, this video is extremely misleading. Modern-day scholars have never been in agreement about Cleopatra's lineage. There have always been too many indicators to suggest that it is highly unlikely that she would have been pure Greek. In more recent times, the available evidence strongly suggest that Cleopatra was indeed Egyptian, just as she professed herself to be.
@TippiP50 "Egypt" comes from the Greek "Egyptos". Egypt was a Greek-ruled civilization in Cleopatra's time. Do not confuse with ancient indigenous Kemet which preceded the Persian, Greek and Roman conquests. I do not find this video to be at all misleading.
i like how the video mentions that it wasnt her physical apprearance alone that won great men of her time... but it was more of her internal beauty, as these great historical men wouldnt be tricked just by looks
@boronghousegtk If those are "my own facts" then they are in agreement with the world's leading archeologists and historians. It would take much more effort to make that stuff up, and I don't have the time. In response to your video "proof", try some legitimate reading instead of looking to glamorized Hollywood movies for your "facts".
@JudeMaris Please don't make her so ugly with your modifications if u want to see her in flesh and blood then watch my video "The Modern Myth Proved Wrong that Cleopatra was Ugly." Same to whoever watches this video.
A petty etymological explanation on the origin of Cleopatra: Kleos=Ancestral Glory+Patra=the capital of the Achaea region in the Peloponesus=The Ancestral Glory of the men of Patras, a reference to a battle won by the Achaeans (Patraeans) while allied with the Macedonians, Gk. Kleopatra, Latinised=Cleopatra.
Yes i agree her hair WOULD have been black being as an artist of portraits of different races and having many Greek friends i know this,try not to look on the negative side of comments when someone has enjoyed your video otherwise youll never except compliments.
@emfri Studies do not suggest she was half negro. Her only known decedents were of Macedonian stock. Her grandmother cannot be definitively determined by the information known to current historians and is the only wild card in determining her ancestry. According to historian Adrian Goldsworthy, the Ptolemies were Macedonian, but through marriages there is a little Persian blood in the family line. And that is all that is absolutely known about Cleopatra's bloodline.
@mikeyg484 let e refrase then, some studies suggest that she might have been of african decendt, but as any other part of history it is mostly qualified guessing...
Kleopatra like the greek name said is fro mthe isle of Crete..she is from greek heritage..its not difficult to know..all know this except americans..they thin torjans are perisans and they are of course greek folk... why you try to change history??
Cleopatra was somewhat attractive! Not A supermodel! Her wealth and power made her even more so attractive ofcourse! Her charasmatic personality and personality over all made her Even more attractive than maybe she actually was! Aparently her nose was quite large! We only have statues to have some clue of what she looked like!
well, it IS said she wasn't pretty...but men were attracted to her because of how she acted and spoke. Must have been ONE HELL of an act and speech combo. O.O
@Usernametpc I think she was a like a man... not attactive by todays standard. Dont forget most men were bi those days... maybe they liked to male look????
@JudeMaris I think you did a great job. I am Greek, and she looks Cypriot to me. You forgot to mention that she was half Semitic on her mother side. Her mother came from somewhere near Israel. I know people who look like her here in Greece, but she mostly looks Cypriot to me. I think Cypriots would agree. Cheers.
@JudeMaris Perhaps you should take a closer look at modern scholarship regarding Cleopatra's lineage. Your statement on that subject is clearly erroneous.
Stick to reality. She had her father's nose but her mother's lips. SDhe had huge Ptolemaic eyes. She would look like those plump, very white British women. Somehow I get why people tan. Too white makes people sick.
Um... dude. She lived in the late 68 BC. People wouldn't possibly know what she looked like. And most of her portraits and statues never look alike. And the coins, how could people be so dumb? There weren't machines to laser perfect portraits into coins back then.
I think she has beauty, no not like the beautiful woman of Hollywood, but she is no ugly duckling, that's for sure. I would do the you know what thing with her. I'll call her tonight, and take her out. I would like to see the rest of her.
she was beautiful bc of her mind, not her looks. i believe people loved her for her power and her confidence and her wisdom and wit. it wasn't like it is now days, people actually cared more about what was on the inside than the outside.
beauty & the standards of beauty change over time. Look at the physique of the women in the arts during the periods of the Renaissance or time periods before & after. In the olden days, the virtue of the spirit & character was just as important if not more so than the material body itself. Cleopatra's physical qualities may have matched her character extremely well, & that is what great men look for in a woman. The entirety of the person, not just one aspect that many people now a days go for.
I'm glad you used this bust. I heard it was made while she was alive. But I watched a show one time that was describing what you are seeing. She had laurel leaves in her hair (very popular for Greek women and men). Her hair was wavy but light. Her hair was also pulled back. But you did a great job on her face. Let me know if you make one with light hair and laurel leaves.
The few ancient images of Cleopatra contradict each other. Egyptian ones show her as beautiful, whereas the Greek ones are either ordinary or ugly looking. Im sure she had dark hair and maybe olive-toned skin, that was the norm in Mediterranean Greece.
Surely the Ptolemaic kings had harems of women from across the ancient world. Her mom, Cleopatra V was her father's sister, sadly little else is known about her.
ALL WHITE/ARABS PEOLE ARE FOREIGN TO AFRICA ---WHATS AMAZING OUT OF ALL THE QUEENS OF EGYPT THIS WHITE WOMAN WITH HER STUPID LOOKING NOSE IS TALKED ABOUT AS MOST BEAUTIFUL ------???????WHITE FOLK ARE FUNNY
@tamaduni Tell that to a person of Amazigh heritage in North Africa were some if not a big population look so called "white". If you are African you already know that there is not one specific look of a native African. Besides the history of Mali, Nigeria, Nubia,and the Horn is much more interesting than people always obsessing over Egyptians skin color.
@ATAATX Is there some place on earth feeding this stupidity regarding endogamy? Tribes are by their nature endogamous. That's why we have tribes and societies and cultures and ultimately races. If human beings all mated at random and as far flung as possible, then there would be no diversity, there would be homogeneity.
Of course Cleo was beautiful, would Caesar and Antony have fallen in love with an unattractive woman? They were the two most powerful and richest men in the Roman Empire and could have had any woman. Anyway, several historians from the period attested to her charm, intellect, regal poise, musical voice, and physical loveliness.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 You have a good point. Besides, standards of beauty was very different 2,000 years ago than it is today. If Cleo was walking down the street nowadays I think many men wouldn't give her a second look. In any case both Caesar and Antony were enthralled by her, and that's why she is the most famous woman of antiquity. (I still think she was attractive, if not a great beauty)
The fact that Cleo didn't look and smell like an animal would have set her apart from most women (and people) in her time. A well groomed and dressed average woman is a more attractive sight than a starving and dirty supermodel. And money always enhances ones desirability. She was a Queen, that made her attractive. It's like Karen Walker says, "Add money to anything, it makes it better."
I don't care how sweet her voice is. She's ugly as sin. I love how disappointed people sound when they see she is not beautiful, Hollywood has wrecked our minds. And dashed our dreams
I am sorry, it is just observation, but shee loks more like he. Biggest secret in that time? I is one possibility. Shee got childern that speaks against it.
A Roman historian met her personally when she visited Rome,( I believe Pliny the Elder) and he wrote that Cleopatra definately was not beautiful. She was well educated, graceful, and charming: in short, an exotic, foreign queen. Cleopatra's attraction was personality based, not physical.
she was charming and that's why she won over mark anthony and julius ceasar not because she was beautiful.I even thought she was,but years ago I remember my history teacher telling me she had a masculine face and I imagined her as that.
But Neferetti if that's her real face on the statue she is really pretty because she has nice,soft features and big eyes.Very lovely woman.
This is way too harsh a representation. I have seen other ancient sculptures of her head which are far more feminine. Yes she did have a prominant nose, but she wasn't this harsh looking.
@jshenaz9lol who cares she died thousands of years ago,sides we not 100?%sure this her.maybe they fell in love with her mind.this woman looks too boring it can't be her.
Excellent! This hits the nail on the head ... we will NEVER know what she looked like ... but Queen Cleopatra VII Philopator was and will always be one of the most famous and fascinating women in all history.
@Vegheadsrock True. A large nose was a distinguishing characteristic of the Ptolemies. However what was considered "beautiful" was different in those days from today.
@shiyamala2000 I was wondering what Cleopatra looked like and several people had told me she was not a beautiful woman. In my opinion she isn't even pretty. She does posess the traits of Greek more than Egyptian. But, I guess she was a woman of intrigue and could handle her own. That is what made Ceasar and Mark Anthony fall in love with her. I am with you she looks manly. I was expecting to see someone different.
@shiyamala2000 .. yes everyone does think so .. plus there is a text by - a famous historian of the time - "if Cleopatra's nose were any longer ... " , Mark Anthony was not such a stud either .
can some one give me more details plss, that what happent after tutakhnamun; how cloepara 's family come in power. is she daughter of tutakh or grand daughter... i don't know but i really like to know.
Modified Answer: In light of the discovery of Cleoptatra's younger sister's (Arsinoe IV) skeleton, the scientists have enough information to conclude that Arsinoe's ancestry was a complicated combination of Macedonian / Greek (father's side) with ties to Egyptian or native African ancestry on the mother's side based on certain traces in skull structure. Since those traces are slight, it is unlikely that Arsinoe or Cleopatra would look "black", because the mother's full ancestry is still unknown.
Aaaand...quite a few sources maintain that Arsinoe IV was Cleopatra's HALF sister, as was Cleopatra's younger brother Ptolemy XIII, so we're back to square one. Without DNA from the mother, we can never be 100% certain.
@JudeMaris And here is the problem. The skeleton of Cleopatra's alleged half sister has been missing for 80 years....all they have is 1 picture in black and white of it. They weren't even certain back then that the skeleton was of Arsinoe, it was just an educated guess. So it doesn't prove anything one way or another.
@JudeMaris Describe "black" u mean big lips wide nose so called Negroid? If anything IF she was a mix native of that region, she would look Nubian or maybe Somali. There facial traits are of long noses and thinner lips. Besides West Africa had nothing to do with Egypt.
The only question in Cleo's ancestry is who her paternal grandmother was. She was the mistress rather than the wife of Cleo's grandfather. Now, the Afrocentrists seize upon this to say she MIGHT (and therefore in their mind was) have been Egyptian (which in their mind means negro) but there is no evidence of this, and it would have been out of character. Moreover, in the ONE case where a pharaoh had a negro mistress (Didyme), it was specifically mentioned in writing.
@Gulfporter Still no one knows one Discovery Channel said that she was of mixed descent, yet recently people have said differently. I don't know...far as I know she grew up Greek/Egyptian so that is what she is/was.
Discovery Channel has no reason to say that she was of mixed ancestry. And given the fact that Alexandria was such a crossroads, being of "mixed ancestry" even if she were known to be so, would not mean that she was necessarily Greek and Egyptian. She might have been born to a Martian, but it's not reasonable to think that she was. Neither is there reason to think that she was part negro. It would have been out of norm, and the Roman writers would have made sure to write about it.
@Gulfporter First off Discovery Channel or it may have been History Channel,It has been at least 4 years or so, but it has more input from archeologist than people on youtube. Race wasn't such an issue like it is unfortunately in modern times, it was more about language. Again, no one really know what she was... but look at Egypt's location with the North African Berbers, the Ethiopian Empire, and Nubia as well as Greece and the population would probably reflect that.
"but it has more input from archeologist than people on youtube"
Archeologists are irrelevant to this discussion. And even if they weren't you would find some who disagree.
Wellesly College, which has considerably more cachet than a TV channel, is professional home to both a professors who claims that Cleopatra was a black woman, and a professor who says it's highly unlikely that Cleo was anything but Greek. The difference is that the pro-black prof cannot defend her position.
@Gulfporter Negro is such an archaic relic of ancient times. At one time the founder of racial concepts, Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, referred to any "black" face as Ethiopian. The term turned to Negro or Negriod from the Spanish and Portuguese. In reference to Africa and what is African, the concept of race is a misnomer. There really is not one specific look to be an African.
For future reference, this is not your finest technique. As William F Buckley once said, "Political Correctness is nothing less than a deliberate effort to stifle debate by reducing the conversation to an argument over terminology."
It might still work on some college campuses, but by and large most people have had enough of it.
@Gulfporter The term "Negro" would be out of the norm because the Romans wouldn't have said "negriod" (if they did please cite it for me :p) When someone uses the word "negro" it brings up connotations of the stereotypical American version of what is African being wide nose and big lipped which isn't always true. My point is that ancient Egypt was probably as diverse in the past as it is now in the present. Besides Egypt and Nubia were always at war during periods of decline for control.
"The term "Negro" would be out of the norm because the Romans wouldn't have said "negriod" "
I never said that they did. I said they would have written about her had she been negroid. They also would not have written in English, which is what language I am writing in.
"When someone uses the word "negro" it brings up connotations of the stereotypical American version of what is African being wide nose and big lipped which isn't always true."
Negro is the word which most accurately refers to the Afrocentric claim about Cleopatra. You are now desperately trying to baffle with bullshit, and rather than find you baffling or even clever, I merely find you tiresome and anti-intellectual.
"My point is that ancient Egypt was probably as diverse in the past as it is now in the present. Besides Egypt and Nubia were always at war during periods of decline for control."
No, your "point" is that you want to believe that Cleopatra was black, somewhat black, anything other than caucasian, probably not entirely greek or something other than the most likely answer. And you are engaging in the disingenuous Afrocentric degradation of history.
@Gulfporter Since you are quoting from my text, where did I say she was "black"? I said look at the Egypt's neighbors which included Berbers, The Horn, Greece, and let's include the Levant. I did not identify anyone as "black". I don't have an Afrocentric viewpoint about Cleo. You are just stuck on stereotyping and putting all so called "Negroes" in a box. Not all Africans have "negro" features or skin tone just like Europeans don't look all alike.
@Gulfporter Cleo was probably of Greek descent but considered herself Egyptian.
She probably didn't look West African and she probably didn't look Scandinavian. Neither you or I were there and most like we are not related to her so who cares.
@Gulfporter actualy afrocentrisim is good only if it relates i belive in afrocentrisim but cleopatria was clearly a greek macedonian by desent and i can admit that alot of egyptians were asiatics but most were brown and black skinned peoples with alot of mulatoos
@osiruskat DONT BELIEVE THE DISCOVERY CHANEL ---NO ONE CAN TELL YOU THE STORY OF AFRICA BETTER THAN AN AFRICAN------I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY EUROPEANS HAVE GIVEN THEMSELVES THIS TASK
@tamaduni Whoah buddy calm down!!! Many books suggest that Cleopatra was either of Greek descent or some say mixed descent. I said earlier that no one really knows. I'm not Native African but I can tell you that Greeks were in Egypt during 26 dynasty after the Nubians brief reign. Other nationalities like the Persians and the Turk had later inflluence in Egypt over time. What is "white"? I've never considered Arabs to be solely one so called color. (at least not the ones I've lived around.
By that logic, the only one who can tell you about the history of North America before Eric The Red is an American Indian. The problem with that is, that some American Indians refuse to accept that their folklore and mythology isn't supported by science.
She certainly does look Greek in this, but I am one of the people who beleive she was half Greek and half African. Dont forget, her sister Arsione was found at Ephesus and prooved via DNA that she was Greek, African and Egyptian but she had the face of a white european
xelanesqueHQ 1 week ago
that's some honker on her mug
musherX 1 week ago
@JudeMaris darling u r good in art but not in history at least ptolemaic part. zahi hawass says she is greek if you know him he tried to find and still is trying to find her tomb. another thing historians have always referred to her as a lagid i.e. children of Lagus, Ptolemy's father. Shakespeare made her a proud egyptian to add spice to his story.
boronghousegtk 1 month ago
@boronghousegtk Borong, you like the sound of your own voice far too much to be of any use here. I never claimed authenticity. Those who know history know this video can ONLY be an informed guess. If you approach this with the idea that I am trying to claim 100% accuracy (something even the most esteemed scholar cannot do) that's a greater reflection on your own substandard information, & I claim no responsibility for that. You're done here.
JudeMaris 1 month ago
She was a hedonistic manipulative witch
BallDanglinBeast 1 month ago
@BallDanglinBeast indeed!
xelanesqueHQ 1 week ago
Cleopatra looks like a man dress in drag.
QueenEiliYAH 1 month ago
Good work on making that stone bust come alive. The final result really looks quite lifelike.
crucisnh 2 months ago
There two Cleopatra's. One was white, or white looking, and the other(the Cleopatra we know) was egyptian aka a blk woman. I didnt know that there was a "white" Cleopatra that was a ruler of Egypt at some point.
YurrahAlHadi 2 months ago
@YurrahAlHadi There was ONE Cleopatra and she was Greek. The Greeks occupied Kemet at this time and changed its name to "Egyptos". Who ever told you there was a "black" Cleopatra? That's as ridiculous and offensive as claiming a Chinese Malcolm X. The indigenous Kemetian civilization under "black" rule was LONG before the dynastic period of "white" rule. Kemetians built the Sphinx. The fact that we are never taught about THAT civilization in history class is why so many people are confused.
MooPotPie 2 months ago
@YurrahAlHadi Scientists DO say that the face of the Sphinx is black African AND female ….and even with her nose chiseled off, she's a helluva lot prettier than Cleopatra. LOL
According to indigenous legend, the Sphinx was built in three stages starting some 54,000 years ago. The head we see today is re-carved from the eroded stump of the original. The Kemetian civilization is SERIOUSLY ancient, bro!
MooPotPie 2 months ago
it's a dude in a wig
Galygal77 2 months ago
@sodomy1972
lol i always here rumors about that but theres never anything mentioned about it on any websites other than yahoo answers were ppl joke about it... how do u knw this? wheres a good source for it.. even wikipedia doesn't say anything abt that duno where ppl get that from about her blowing 100 or more roman soldiers. :|
True2TheBlueYoViGang 2 months ago
@True2TheBlueYoViGang
whenever i look at her statue not her head replica... she looks alot better than what was portrayed in this video id say this video is inconsistent with her statue found at a burial site. however u tried kid nice job. google her statue u'd be shocked how good she looks, unlike the head thing shown here. thats just bullshit. O_o
True2TheBlueYoViGang 2 months ago
When was this statue made? That was not attractive........by any means.
MsKittenz1 3 months ago
@MsKittenz1 She looks pretty good to me!
IsraeliteMessenger 3 months ago
@TippiP50 Just because we know her family for over 300 or so years makes it harder for her to come out as a pure white. what about you, who knows if you are white, you may have had black blood. u cannot deny it. you may or may not. and about Cleo's mom, better Tryphaena than the presumed Egyptian woman which is guessed by Werner Hub. dat's guessing and how can u put guessing in history? We know Cleo's ancestry better than Alexander the Great's.
boronghousegtk 3 months ago
oh jeez she looks like Adam Sandler in Jack and Jill
acmedressform 3 months ago
Actually, this video is extremely misleading. Modern-day scholars have never been in agreement about Cleopatra's lineage. There have always been too many indicators to suggest that it is highly unlikely that she would have been pure Greek. In more recent times, the available evidence strongly suggest that Cleopatra was indeed Egyptian, just as she professed herself to be.
TippiP50 3 months ago
@TippiP50 "Egypt" comes from the Greek "Egyptos". Egypt was a Greek-ruled civilization in Cleopatra's time. Do not confuse with ancient indigenous Kemet which preceded the Persian, Greek and Roman conquests. I do not find this video to be at all misleading.
MooPotPie 2 months ago
@TippiP50 No she was Greek all right no doubt about it.She even looks like one.
ZOLTRAN1 2 months ago
@TippiP50 - Cleopatra is NOT a real true blood Egyptian. She was a white whore.
QueenEiliYAH 1 month ago
@QueenEiliYAH she wasn't a whore. rome made her one. but octavian was gay. i can say that too because he was like one.
boronghousegtk 1 month ago
i like how the video mentions that it wasnt her physical apprearance alone that won great men of her time... but it was more of her internal beauty, as these great historical men wouldnt be tricked just by looks
zhulikify 3 months ago
funny thing, she was considered to be a BEAUTIFUL woman........
japaneseladysamurai 3 months ago
THIS PICTURE ON COIN BELONGS TO CLEOPATRA V TRYPHAENA NOT TO RULER CLEOPATRA VII
GreekCleopatraVII 3 months ago in playlist Cleopatra (Movie) -Archeology of Egypt - (3-26-11)
@GreekCleopatraVII What "coin" is in this video?
JudeMaris 3 months ago
I knew she was a shemale!!!!!!
ButterflyGathering 3 months ago
When was this bust created?
SanamLovesEssie60 4 months ago
@SanamLovesEssie60 It's dated to have been carved between 40-30 B.C. Cleopatra died in 30 B.C. so it would have been created in her lifetime.
JudeMaris 3 months ago
@JudeMaris please don't give your own facts. source por favor?
boronghousegtk 1 month ago
@boronghousegtk If those are "my own facts" then they are in agreement with the world's leading archeologists and historians. It would take much more effort to make that stuff up, and I don't have the time. In response to your video "proof", try some legitimate reading instead of looking to glamorized Hollywood movies for your "facts".
JudeMaris 1 month ago
@JudeMaris Please don't make her so ugly with your modifications if u want to see her in flesh and blood then watch my video "The Modern Myth Proved Wrong that Cleopatra was Ugly." Same to whoever watches this video.
boronghousegtk 1 month ago
@JudeMaris another proof that cleo could've been legitimate. she is the exact carbon copy of her dad. dat means her parents were close relatives.
boronghousegtk 1 month ago
A petty etymological explanation on the origin of Cleopatra: Kleos=Ancestral Glory+Patra=the capital of the Achaea region in the Peloponesus=The Ancestral Glory of the men of Patras, a reference to a battle won by the Achaeans (Patraeans) while allied with the Macedonians, Gk. Kleopatra, Latinised=Cleopatra.
Axaios70 4 months ago
That is one huge nose. Looks like a man as do many of the classic sculptures of women.
Standards of beauty change of course.
ExoticCalli 4 months ago
Yes i agree her hair WOULD have been black being as an artist of portraits of different races and having many Greek friends i know this,try not to look on the negative side of comments when someone has enjoyed your video otherwise youll never except compliments.
richard68ization 4 months ago
I think she looked very much like the British Queen especially before the hair became black.
richard68ization 4 months ago
studies suggest that cleopatra was half negro
emfri 5 months ago
@emfri Studies do not suggest she was half negro. Her only known decedents were of Macedonian stock. Her grandmother cannot be definitively determined by the information known to current historians and is the only wild card in determining her ancestry. According to historian Adrian Goldsworthy, the Ptolemies were Macedonian, but through marriages there is a little Persian blood in the family line. And that is all that is absolutely known about Cleopatra's bloodline.
mikeyg484 4 months ago
@mikeyg484 let e refrase then, some studies suggest that she might have been of african decendt, but as any other part of history it is mostly qualified guessing...
emfri 4 months ago
Kleopatra like the greek name said is fro mthe isle of Crete..she is from greek heritage..its not difficult to know..all know this except americans..they thin torjans are perisans and they are of course greek folk... why you try to change history??
Kerasounta 5 months ago
there were a lot of "cleopatra" in history.
toki1221 5 months ago
she loofks like a man in drag!
justfedup2020 5 months ago
@justfedup2020 agreed
gmaureen 4 months ago
Wonderful!
traynor2rt 6 months ago
as we know those statues back then were not too accurate.
kingkold 6 months ago
she killed her own brother
allylovedance 6 months ago
she looks like a man. illlll that's nasty
mangatons 6 months ago
Cleopatra was somewhat attractive! Not A supermodel! Her wealth and power made her even more so attractive ofcourse! Her charasmatic personality and personality over all made her Even more attractive than maybe she actually was! Aparently her nose was quite large! We only have statues to have some clue of what she looked like!
LadyOsiris53 6 months ago
wow
lovebug273 6 months ago
well, it IS said she wasn't pretty...but men were attracted to her because of how she acted and spoke. Must have been ONE HELL of an act and speech combo. O.O
watsap4u 6 months ago
@watsap4u there's more to beauty than one single nose
livsstilen 6 months ago
@livsstilen yes, isn't that what i said?
watsap4u 6 months ago
i hope she didn't look like this,and if she really did what a horrific sight to see...lol!!!
immaculateprince 7 months ago
hahaha she looks like a drag queen
winadyaputri 7 months ago
What an ugly women!!!
MostHighCreator 7 months ago
She's Ugly O.o
xXxAhmedTarekxXx 7 months ago
she looks like a man. illlll that's nasty
sumer33ful 9 months ago
U rMade her look like a dam man!
Usernametpc 9 months ago
@Usernametpc I think she was a like a man... not attactive by todays standard. Dont forget most men were bi those days... maybe they liked to male look????
rappzy22 8 months ago
Could you make a recreation of Madame X by John Singer Sargent?
LaSerpentaCanta 10 months ago
That is one hell of a nose!
flexan4o 10 months ago
I'm the only one here NOT claiming to be an expert on Cleopatra's appearance. This is just a guess, one of many possibilities.M'kay?
JudeMaris 10 months ago
@JudeMaris I think you did a great job. I am Greek, and she looks Cypriot to me. You forgot to mention that she was half Semitic on her mother side. Her mother came from somewhere near Israel. I know people who look like her here in Greece, but she mostly looks Cypriot to me. I think Cypriots would agree. Cheers.
Axaios70 4 months ago
@JudeMaris Perhaps you should take a closer look at modern scholarship regarding Cleopatra's lineage. Your statement on that subject is clearly erroneous.
TippiP50 3 months ago
@TippiP50 Which "erroneous statement" got your attention?
JudeMaris 3 months ago
Stick to reality. She had her father's nose but her mother's lips. SDhe had huge Ptolemaic eyes. She would look like those plump, very white British women. Somehow I get why people tan. Too white makes people sick.
boronghousegtk 10 months ago
She looks like GaGa
MinxKitty12 10 months ago
@MinxKitty12 Even Gaga is prettier than that.
xander7ful 7 months ago
I think she was a beautiful person, inside and out
Jenettefan23 11 months ago
Um... dude. She lived in the late 68 BC. People wouldn't possibly know what she looked like. And most of her portraits and statues never look alike. And the coins, how could people be so dumb? There weren't machines to laser perfect portraits into coins back then.
AllysaCosain 11 months ago
This is Cleopatra VII was most likely Greek/Egyptian.
tmax45R 11 months ago
I think she has beauty, no not like the beautiful woman of Hollywood, but she is no ugly duckling, that's for sure. I would do the you know what thing with her. I'll call her tonight, and take her out. I would like to see the rest of her.
tmax45R 11 months ago
Nice piece!
swannavon 11 months ago
she was beautiful bc of her mind, not her looks. i believe people loved her for her power and her confidence and her wisdom and wit. it wasn't like it is now days, people actually cared more about what was on the inside than the outside.
ChelseaBobcat 1 year ago
beauty & the standards of beauty change over time. Look at the physique of the women in the arts during the periods of the Renaissance or time periods before & after. In the olden days, the virtue of the spirit & character was just as important if not more so than the material body itself. Cleopatra's physical qualities may have matched her character extremely well, & that is what great men look for in a woman. The entirety of the person, not just one aspect that many people now a days go for.
wonphi 1 year ago
she was a very ugly woman, but very VERY INTELLIGENT...
kanata0717 1 year ago
I'm glad you used this bust. I heard it was made while she was alive. But I watched a show one time that was describing what you are seeing. She had laurel leaves in her hair (very popular for Greek women and men). Her hair was wavy but light. Her hair was also pulled back. But you did a great job on her face. Let me know if you make one with light hair and laurel leaves.
bradley95257 1 year ago
The few ancient images of Cleopatra contradict each other. Egyptian ones show her as beautiful, whereas the Greek ones are either ordinary or ugly looking. Im sure she had dark hair and maybe olive-toned skin, that was the norm in Mediterranean Greece.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
For anyone interested, read 'Cleopatra A Life' by Stacy Schiff. Angelina Jolie's suppose to play the legendary queen in a movie based off it!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
Awesome
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
Surely the Ptolemaic kings had harems of women from across the ancient world. Her mom, Cleopatra V was her father's sister, sadly little else is known about her.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
The coin portraits were propaganda, they conveyed a strong message, not how she actually looked it was for political reasons.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
I've read Cleopatra's mother's family were followers of the creator god Ptah.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
at the end u should have put egyption style makeup on her eyes like the eye of horus
carlosZ1981 1 year ago
ALL WHITE/ARABS PEOLE ARE FOREIGN TO AFRICA ---WHATS AMAZING OUT OF ALL THE QUEENS OF EGYPT THIS WHITE WOMAN WITH HER STUPID LOOKING NOSE IS TALKED ABOUT AS MOST BEAUTIFUL ------???????WHITE FOLK ARE FUNNY
tamaduni 1 year ago
@tamaduni Tell that to a person of Amazigh heritage in North Africa were some if not a big population look so called "white". If you are African you already know that there is not one specific look of a native African. Besides the history of Mali, Nigeria, Nubia,and the Horn is much more interesting than people always obsessing over Egyptians skin color.
osiruskat 1 year ago
this is so fake...rofl...she was mix...she had black african blood....
iloln 1 year ago
@iloln
".she was mix...she had black african blood...."
And what are you basing this statement on ?
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@iloln True! One of her ancestress was a Syrian princess by the way.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
Ok folks, this shows you the result of generations of inbreeding. Kinda like the Habsburgs of Europe.
ATAATX 1 year ago
@ATAATX Is there some place on earth feeding this stupidity regarding endogamy? Tribes are by their nature endogamous. That's why we have tribes and societies and cultures and ultimately races. If human beings all mated at random and as far flung as possible, then there would be no diversity, there would be homogeneity.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
people r so afraid of the truth
childrenofthesupreme 1 year ago
is everybody forgetting jewish(dark skinned).
FireWate1 1 year ago
There is something sad about Cleopatra as if she didn't have such a great life.
zjones1222 1 year ago
idk that egypt is black...r they really black ppl or what?
lalagirl211 1 year ago
@lalagirl211 yes they were
Blueberry40 2 months ago
Of course Cleo was beautiful, would Caesar and Antony have fallen in love with an unattractive woman? They were the two most powerful and richest men in the Roman Empire and could have had any woman. Anyway, several historians from the period attested to her charm, intellect, regal poise, musical voice, and physical loveliness.
buddmar 1 year ago
@buddmar: You act like what they find attractive is what everybody finds attractive. That's not true.
HispanicIsNotARace1 1 year ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 You have a good point. Besides, standards of beauty was very different 2,000 years ago than it is today. If Cleo was walking down the street nowadays I think many men wouldn't give her a second look. In any case both Caesar and Antony were enthralled by her, and that's why she is the most famous woman of antiquity. (I still think she was attractive, if not a great beauty)
buddmar 1 year ago
@buddmar
The fact that Cleo didn't look and smell like an animal would have set her apart from most women (and people) in her time. A well groomed and dressed average woman is a more attractive sight than a starving and dirty supermodel. And money always enhances ones desirability. She was a Queen, that made her attractive. It's like Karen Walker says, "Add money to anything, it makes it better."
Gulfporter 1 year ago
LOL my teacher made us watch this in our Ancient History lesson :P
TheJOnasSisterz 1 year ago
Very interesting, but does this mean that she did not test poisons on people and animals as a source of entertainment?
wesleyism 1 year ago
nicely done gz
TheHorsenation 1 year ago
Our minds are shrouded by the media, we have to remember that this was when we didn't base judgment so much on looks, but more on our personalities.
KayKay114 1 year ago
i don't think her nose was THAT big...
OummMohiEldin 1 year ago
@OummMohiEldin I agree no way possible it was that LARGE.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
she's actually a bit scary looking
Brettwbeyer14 1 year ago
I don't care how sweet her voice is. She's ugly as sin. I love how disappointed people sound when they see she is not beautiful, Hollywood has wrecked our minds. And dashed our dreams
ruapraia 1 year ago
?...What ...is that!?
SilentNight700 1 year ago
What did Cleopatra look like?
She did look like a transexual.
VPerVaFFa 1 year ago
if she wasn't pretty as people know
I guess Hollywood made her pretty
Luisofbrazil 1 year ago
I am sorry, it is just observation, but shee loks more like he. Biggest secret in that time? I is one possibility. Shee got childern that speaks against it.
ixccxi 1 year ago
She looked like a man...
cmjr89 1 year ago
A Roman historian met her personally when she visited Rome,( I believe Pliny the Elder) and he wrote that Cleopatra definately was not beautiful. She was well educated, graceful, and charming: in short, an exotic, foreign queen. Cleopatra's attraction was personality based, not physical.
joel1923 1 year ago
looks like a jew
VikingWarCry 1 year ago
she was charming and that's why she won over mark anthony and julius ceasar not because she was beautiful.I even thought she was,but years ago I remember my history teacher telling me she had a masculine face and I imagined her as that.
But Neferetti if that's her real face on the statue she is really pretty because she has nice,soft features and big eyes.Very lovely woman.
TheQueenGia 1 year ago
that's her???:-S
fromastar 1 year ago
This is way too harsh a representation. I have seen other ancient sculptures of her head which are far more feminine. Yes she did have a prominant nose, but she wasn't this harsh looking.
duran66 1 year ago
This is brilliant..
It's great to see her face, but can you do her from the front?...
YazminIzabella 1 year ago
@YazminIzabella That would be brilliant! I too would love to see a front view. JudeMaris please could you make a front view?
kaydeanne 1 year ago
she looks like a man
mr1954philip 1 year ago
She look like guy! Very dissapointing!!
jshenaz9 1 year ago
the way they said that Cleopatra was a veryyyyy beautiful women!! I'm shocked to c that she was not beautiful ... Pfff .... Very Disappointing!!
jshenaz9 1 year ago
@jshenaz9lol who cares she died thousands of years ago,sides we not 100?%sure this her.maybe they fell in love with her mind.this woman looks too boring it can't be her.
lail111 1 year ago
oh c`mon shes not our modern example of beautiful, however shes not that bad looking either, its not bad look.
RCplanes102 1 year ago
Excellent! This hits the nail on the head ... we will NEVER know what she looked like ... but Queen Cleopatra VII Philopator was and will always be one of the most famous and fascinating women in all history.
buddmar 1 year ago
Amazing! Thanks for sharing.
kaydeanne 1 year ago
cleopatra was a whore.but u have a nice voice though.
prettytoney09 1 year ago
She has a very big honker.
Vegheadsrock 2 years ago
@Vegheadsrock True. A large nose was a distinguishing characteristic of the Ptolemies. However what was considered "beautiful" was different in those days from today.
buddmar 1 year ago
wat the hell i thought she was beautiful...she looks like a guy..very dissapointing
shiyamala2000 2 years ago
The narration explains the reason for that.
JudeMaris 2 years ago
@shiyamala2000 so true very disappointing!! lol looks! like a guy hahaha...
jshenaz9 1 year ago
@shiyamala2000 well we don't actually know she looked like that.she was described as a beauty i doubt this is her.
lail111 1 year ago
@shiyamala2000 I was wondering what Cleopatra looked like and several people had told me she was not a beautiful woman. In my opinion she isn't even pretty. She does posess the traits of Greek more than Egyptian. But, I guess she was a woman of intrigue and could handle her own. That is what made Ceasar and Mark Anthony fall in love with her. I am with you she looks manly. I was expecting to see someone different.
iscrca 1 year ago
@shiyamala2000 because that's not her. LOL
rossdaboss1959 11 months ago
@shiyamala2000 .. yes everyone does think so .. plus there is a text by - a famous historian of the time - "if Cleopatra's nose were any longer ... " , Mark Anthony was not such a stud either .
TheKsk1997 10 months ago
The bust that the reconstruction was based upon, where did that come from? Is that supposed to be her?
EmpireX1020 2 years ago
The bust is a Greek portrait of Cleopatra which was sculpted near the end of her reign...around 40 - 30 B.C.
(Cleopatra died August 12, 30 BC), so yes, it is meant to be her.
JudeMaris 2 years ago
thanks
missAngelofmercy666 2 years ago
can some one give me more details plss, that what happent after tutakhnamun; how cloepara 's family come in power. is she daughter of tutakh or grand daughter... i don't know but i really like to know.
morwareedjan 2 years ago
im dork but wuz cleopatra black? ? very nice video
missAngelofmercy666 2 years ago
Modified Answer: In light of the discovery of Cleoptatra's younger sister's (Arsinoe IV) skeleton, the scientists have enough information to conclude that Arsinoe's ancestry was a complicated combination of Macedonian / Greek (father's side) with ties to Egyptian or native African ancestry on the mother's side based on certain traces in skull structure. Since those traces are slight, it is unlikely that Arsinoe or Cleopatra would look "black", because the mother's full ancestry is still unknown.
JudeMaris 2 years ago
Aaaand...quite a few sources maintain that Arsinoe IV was Cleopatra's HALF sister, as was Cleopatra's younger brother Ptolemy XIII, so we're back to square one. Without DNA from the mother, we can never be 100% certain.
JudeMaris 2 years ago
thank u !!! how u know everything bout Cleoptatra? can u teach me
missAngelofmercy666 2 years ago
@JudeMaris And here is the problem. The skeleton of Cleopatra's alleged half sister has been missing for 80 years....all they have is 1 picture in black and white of it. They weren't even certain back then that the skeleton was of Arsinoe, it was just an educated guess. So it doesn't prove anything one way or another.
osallent 1 year ago
@JudeMaris Describe "black" u mean big lips wide nose so called Negroid? If anything IF she was a mix native of that region, she would look Nubian or maybe Somali. There facial traits are of long noses and thinner lips. Besides West Africa had nothing to do with Egypt.
osiruskat 1 year ago
@osiruskat
The only question in Cleo's ancestry is who her paternal grandmother was. She was the mistress rather than the wife of Cleo's grandfather. Now, the Afrocentrists seize upon this to say she MIGHT (and therefore in their mind was) have been Egyptian (which in their mind means negro) but there is no evidence of this, and it would have been out of character. Moreover, in the ONE case where a pharaoh had a negro mistress (Didyme), it was specifically mentioned in writing.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter Still no one knows one Discovery Channel said that she was of mixed descent, yet recently people have said differently. I don't know...far as I know she grew up Greek/Egyptian so that is what she is/was.
osiruskat 1 year ago
@osiruskat
Discovery Channel has no reason to say that she was of mixed ancestry. And given the fact that Alexandria was such a crossroads, being of "mixed ancestry" even if she were known to be so, would not mean that she was necessarily Greek and Egyptian. She might have been born to a Martian, but it's not reasonable to think that she was. Neither is there reason to think that she was part negro. It would have been out of norm, and the Roman writers would have made sure to write about it.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter First off Discovery Channel or it may have been History Channel,It has been at least 4 years or so, but it has more input from archeologist than people on youtube. Race wasn't such an issue like it is unfortunately in modern times, it was more about language. Again, no one really know what she was... but look at Egypt's location with the North African Berbers, the Ethiopian Empire, and Nubia as well as Greece and the population would probably reflect that.
osiruskat 1 year ago
@osiruskat
"but it has more input from archeologist than people on youtube"
Archeologists are irrelevant to this discussion. And even if they weren't you would find some who disagree.
Wellesly College, which has considerably more cachet than a TV channel, is professional home to both a professors who claims that Cleopatra was a black woman, and a professor who says it's highly unlikely that Cleo was anything but Greek. The difference is that the pro-black prof cannot defend her position.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter Negro is such an archaic relic of ancient times. At one time the founder of racial concepts, Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, referred to any "black" face as Ethiopian. The term turned to Negro or Negriod from the Spanish and Portuguese. In reference to Africa and what is African, the concept of race is a misnomer. There really is not one specific look to be an African.
osiruskat 1 year ago
@osiruskat
"Negro is such an archaic relic of ancient times. "
You can do better than word games. If you can't then there isn't much point in continuing.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter what is your definition of an African not from an Afrocentric view just your view of who they are.
osiruskat 1 year ago
@osiruskat
For future reference, this is not your finest technique. As William F Buckley once said, "Political Correctness is nothing less than a deliberate effort to stifle debate by reducing the conversation to an argument over terminology."
It might still work on some college campuses, but by and large most people have had enough of it.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter You know I watched W. Buckley's shows growing up and it always seemed to me that he needed a enema.
osiruskat 1 year ago
@osiruskat
"You know I watched W. Buckley's shows growing up and it always seemed to me that he needed a enema. <<<
LOL! True
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter The term "Negro" would be out of the norm because the Romans wouldn't have said "negriod" (if they did please cite it for me :p) When someone uses the word "negro" it brings up connotations of the stereotypical American version of what is African being wide nose and big lipped which isn't always true. My point is that ancient Egypt was probably as diverse in the past as it is now in the present. Besides Egypt and Nubia were always at war during periods of decline for control.
osiruskat 1 year ago
@osiruskat
"The term "Negro" would be out of the norm because the Romans wouldn't have said "negriod" "
I never said that they did. I said they would have written about her had she been negroid. They also would not have written in English, which is what language I am writing in.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@osiruskat
"When someone uses the word "negro" it brings up connotations of the stereotypical American version of what is African being wide nose and big lipped which isn't always true."
Negro is the word which most accurately refers to the Afrocentric claim about Cleopatra. You are now desperately trying to baffle with bullshit, and rather than find you baffling or even clever, I merely find you tiresome and anti-intellectual.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@osiruskat
"My point is that ancient Egypt was probably as diverse in the past as it is now in the present. Besides Egypt and Nubia were always at war during periods of decline for control."
No, your "point" is that you want to believe that Cleopatra was black, somewhat black, anything other than caucasian, probably not entirely greek or something other than the most likely answer. And you are engaging in the disingenuous Afrocentric degradation of history.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter Since you are quoting from my text, where did I say she was "black"? I said look at the Egypt's neighbors which included Berbers, The Horn, Greece, and let's include the Levant. I did not identify anyone as "black". I don't have an Afrocentric viewpoint about Cleo. You are just stuck on stereotyping and putting all so called "Negroes" in a box. Not all Africans have "negro" features or skin tone just like Europeans don't look all alike.
osiruskat 1 year ago
@Gulfporter Cleo was probably of Greek descent but considered herself Egyptian.
She probably didn't look West African and she probably didn't look Scandinavian. Neither you or I were there and most like we are not related to her so who cares.
osiruskat 1 year ago
@Gulfporter actualy afrocentrisim is good only if it relates i belive in afrocentrisim but cleopatria was clearly a greek macedonian by desent and i can admit that alot of egyptians were asiatics but most were brown and black skinned peoples with alot of mulatoos
PhaorohCJ 1 year ago
@osiruskat DONT BELIEVE THE DISCOVERY CHANEL ---NO ONE CAN TELL YOU THE STORY OF AFRICA BETTER THAN AN AFRICAN------I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY EUROPEANS HAVE GIVEN THEMSELVES THIS TASK
tamaduni 1 year ago
@tamaduni Whoah buddy calm down!!! Many books suggest that Cleopatra was either of Greek descent or some say mixed descent. I said earlier that no one really knows. I'm not Native African but I can tell you that Greeks were in Egypt during 26 dynasty after the Nubians brief reign. Other nationalities like the Persians and the Turk had later inflluence in Egypt over time. What is "white"? I've never considered Arabs to be solely one so called color. (at least not the ones I've lived around.
osiruskat 1 year ago
@tamaduni
By that logic, the only one who can tell you about the history of North America before Eric The Red is an American Indian. The problem with that is, that some American Indians refuse to accept that their folklore and mythology isn't supported by science.
Gulfporter 1 year ago