007 HHO Dry Cell First MPG (milage) Test F350 7.3L Diesel 5.5

[lea1mercian]

I have a Mercedes C220 CDI ( not sold in the US) 2003, 4 pot turbo diesel I can get 50mpg average at 70mph somtimes up to 55 depending on the traffic. around town I get average 27 to 34mpg. If I was to install a system like your realistacaly do you think I could get 40mpg around town and 60mpg on the motorway.

My MPG are based on the onboard computer not actual calculations

[weleplaya]

BP????????????

[lea1mercian]

BP have clean fuel I only use Shell or BP prefer BP as they clean the fuel better

[O2streaming]

I read that there is a fine balance in the amount of HHO; too much HHO causes a loss in efficiency. Since it takes three times the energy to make the HHO , then is gained in the HHO (as a fuel source), you really are hoping to use only enough HHO to increase the complete burn of the Petrol. In other words, the gain in MPG happens, because the HHO causes the petrol to burn more completely. So using too much HHO, is a waste of HHO, and this kills any MPG gained.

[HybridWaterMan2]

For a truck this size you need more than a couple liters of hho gas from an hho generator. You need more like 4-6 liters for best results. We have had some of our customers get 45% increase on their 7.6 liter diesel (F250)using our 773 hydrogen generator and either a mileage chip or a Bully Dog

[jjohn984able]

put the car on a dyno

[mbas0507]

my friend, maybe you are runing at low amps os small HHO kit, and not all the necesary HHO, for a 7.3 liters enine which is a big monster, you are going to need at least 3 lpm or more.., so if you are under 2 lpm 11 % in savings is a good result, it could be very importanet to know how many LPM are your producing ....all the best

[billjim123]

first, its good that you did the just diesel run first, that way you don't show the cleaning effects of the hho. Second, you can't really get great improvement in your mpg unless you can tell the engine to run leaner and is direct injection. This you can do by modifying voltage on your air sensors. If you can successfully lean the mixture of diesel/air to right amount to balance with your level of hho you should be able to easily hit 20-21 mpg for your truck. Best of luck to you.

[Ace011mm]

HI Mars! Do you have some EFIE or other enhancers on this FORD? First test is the worst,you need time to clean carbon deposits inside engine,then you have better results. Sorry,my English not so good,you maybe explane everything but I not understand.

[space9888]

99 2wd f350 7.3 powerstroke 6spd manual totally stock, including tire size. UNLOADED

mainly city driving, some highway some aggressive driving/ but mainly economical. test included idling for warm up and during quick stops (running into quicky mart or the house for a few minutes at a time.

20.89 mpg (656 miles to 31.4 gallons)

thats with lucas oil additive @ 20% of oil capacity (165,500 miles total on engine w/ factory clutch.) (my milage was in the mid 500s without the lucas additive

[tacticalHID]

If your only getting 2-3 lpm of gas... thats probably not enough for 7.3L truck.

Most people recommend 1l HHO per 2 liters engine size. So you should be putting out at least 3.5l hho.

[sodapop503]

I've often thought of using Mythbusters trick for measuring fuel consumption. disconnect your fuel line from the fuel filter and use a small container or bag for a temporary fuel tank. preferably something clear that you can write accurate increments on.

[roddyyy524]

only problem is a diesel is a pain in the ass to get running again when its ran out of fuel

[sodapop503]

oh. Why is that? im quite the motorhead, but I dont know squat about diesel motors.

[roddyyy524]

you have to prime the motor to get it to start again, idk about the newer ones but the ones in machinery you have to unscrew the last injector allitle bit and crank the motor until some diesel comes out then tighten it and it will start, but it wont work with air in the lines, i didnt know that the first time i ran a generator our of fuel and thought i killed it

[EasternAggie]

@roddyyy524

not necessarily. mine has a priming screw on top of the fuel filter I crack, hit the primer button a few times, and she'll fire right up. gotta love 12v's lol

[sodapop503]

He looks like Red Foreman from that 70s show. lol

[mmm9mmm9]

Trucks are cool

[TransAm2k4]

I have a 99 F250 with a 7.3 Powerstroke and I get about 23 MPG highway and 18 city... It is a 2wd 6speed which has some to do with the economy. I want to congratulate you on keeping most of the variables the same but on diesel engines load variance can change your MPG a lot. By changing my driving from regular to carefull economic I increase my MPG from 15 to 18 in the city. I think this should be taken into account...

[fpvshitsonhsv]

Gonna wanna hope water doesnt get in the engine

[DjGisME]

what do you think when u have 7.2 liter engine you crazy power hungry mad man - buy yourself smaller car and you will save money then - 1.8 engine with 1l of HHO can do approx 80 miles as oppose to 40 - 100% mileage increase with HHO

...listen careffuly

never dispose hho generator liquid into the sink as it's chromates causes cancer THEREFORE

Store it in sealed BARREL or CONTAINER until recycling centres available - plastic preferable don't store waste liquid in metal container

[mars1952]

I use my truck to haul heavy things and to pull 10,000 lb trailers for my farm. I need the weight and power of this truck to pull heavy trailers. It doesn't work out economically to buy a small car with payments, insurance and taxes to save a little fuel.

A lot of people have claimed 100% increases in MPG when adding HHO but I have never actually seen it. When you look at their results critically you will see that their calculations have errors. Or the methods are vague.

Good Luck, Mars

[biomansoil]

thats all well indeed however, have you ever tried to haul 10k lbs in a vw tdi. it dont work. two miles to the gallon make a big difference to one who uses 100 gallons a week.

[pdog62279]

thats good for mpg, I heard that some new F series can get up to 25 mpg with a 7.3 with a "MacDonald system", true or not I don't know. My 05 F250 gets 8/10 city/hiw with a 5.4 L gas

[adamfolwell]

Well good concept and may be somewhat accurate... the only reason i say somewhat accurate is because mpg can be manipulated buy simple traffic and driving habits. i.e more red lights, braking and going again, punching it of the line, things of that nature will make mpg go down but if you drive your truck like a grandmother mpg will go up...lol

[marauda777]

i wanted to see your cells and everything i dont know if you did another video where you showed that

if did what is it called

[mars1952]

Yes I have several videos in a playlist that show the whole process. Click on mars1952 anywhere on this page it will take you to my channel. When you get to my channel click on Playlists. Then scroll down to ..My first HHO brick.

Good Luck Mars

[tonysshadow]

excellent post and level headed trial and error approach. I have an old 1989 F-350 7.3L IDI, I bought specifically for this. Naturally none of the electronic gadgetry uder the hood. Your experience got me to thinking though about the tried and true diesels that run on LPG. Perhaps comparing numbers such as volume being pumped to intake might useful. Maybe help some in troubleshooting.

[jimdawg185]

you need a tuner as well. My excursion gets 24 on the highway, (as long as i stay out of the turbo) with chip, custom fuel, intake and exhaust. I have gotten as good as 27 with hals and veggie with my hpop cranked up. For a chip call Jody @ DP tuner, he can help you with a custom tune, and maybe help you with a hho tune.

[jimdawg185]

Messing with the MAP and other sensors will not do what you want. These motors do not operate like gassers or like other oil burners. azpong is right about the twin injection. They call the powerstroke splitshot. Your hho is being burnt up on the initial burn, and prolly not helping with power or efficiancy. You need single shot injectors, or hybrids. if you have 150k you can rebuild them yourself. Google DIY injectors, Jim is the best!

[mars1952]

Hi Jimdawg185: I have read and heard many opinions about "Split Shot" injectors and how they work with HHO but I have never seen any actual test results. I think that the mistake people are making is that they think of the "Split Shot" as two events. In reality it is just a slight stutter in a single injection event.

People also think that the HHO somehow burns separately from the diesel. I don't think that it happens that way. Continues:

[mars1952]

Continued: The HHO is mixed into the intake air and the result is air that is enriched with slightly more H2 than is already in the atmosphere.

If you know of a single shot Powerstroke that is burning HHO, and is documented, please let me know where I can see it.

Thanks, Mars

[chevey25]

DUDE...you guys are silly!! What kina liters per min are you trying to get mpg from? These are 100 to 400 hp engines your talkin bout! You cant expect to get gains by adding 1 LPM to a 2 to 6 liter engine. It takes alot of hho! It takes 6 lpm to just idle a 3.5 hp engine on straigh hho and half that to make it more efficent!! If you dont notice more power than you aint got enough fuel!! Get er dun!!

[glenn20021]

i tried hho in my 7.3 and it seemed to work for a few tankfulls with minimal improvments in mpg only later to get even worse mpg with it hooked up , so i unhooked it perminantly til a bigger breakthrough can be found,i have a 4cyl ford ranger that seems to like the hydrogen booster i made for it, and im looking forward to hooking up the 7.3 hho i had to the ranger , i'd like to get those big improvments so i can cheer it up to yaknow.

[AZPONG]

I have 2001 F250 7.3 TD did all the mods to my truck too. 3 HHO units running on my rig at 20 amps each. Had a map enhancer on my MAP sensor using a potentiometer to adjust the voltage signal back to the PCM, Used different types of electolytes, moved the injection point from the filter box to the intake manifold, No gains in MPG. All the MAP enhancer did was limit the boost on the turbo. Trick the IAT sensor to try and lean it out. Probably No O2 sensors On your rig, same as mine.

[mars1952]

Hi Azpong: It's good to connect with other Powerstroke owners. Have you achieved any MPG gains? If so what are they.

I have been running my cell at between 45 and 60 amps and my batteries have slowly drained down. Apparently the alternator doesn't have enough reserve to run at 60amps. I am reluctant to add a second alternator until I am assured that I will get MPG gains.

Mars

[AZPONG]

No increase in MPG on my end. Some people are claiming that rather than using a map enhancer that using a IAT (intake Air Temperature enhancer) on the IAT sensor will assist in adjusting the pcm to lower the amount of diesel fuel injected into the cylinders. Our motors inject fuel twice for each burn. First injection for the initial burn, second injection is the power stroke burn. Key is to lean the engine out buy reducing fuel input by the injectors. HHO gas compensates for the reduced Diesel.

[superduty73]

Your truck has split shot injectors in it which inject fuel in two processes, most of the HHO will be burned in the first process. This is way u arent getting great mileage. If u have any questions about ur truck ask I might be able to help.

[ILoveMyCatx10]

I hear you can get a tax deduction for green fuel including Hydrogen up tp $50,000 for big trucks and businesses, which might help you offset some of your costs till you get it working. I think you will once you get the right combination going on. I did a lot of hit and miss till I got mine working. Good Luck

[ILoveMyCatx10]

I use a MAP O2 Enhancer I built and a Meyer/Joe cell I also built in my 95 Saturn and got from 28-30 mpg to 48 mpg. I also use a PWM motor controller to adjust AMPs and Voltage I run it at 3 to 5 AMPs is all. Way smaller engine ofcourse. Just food for thought.

[pat1huey]

I think with longer trips you will see a bigger increase. I look forward to your results. Nice work.

[mars1952]

I really,really want this to work and I am trying to not let my desires color my findings. Anyway I hope you are right.

[hhobegginernew]

hello mars1952,

What electronics are you using? EFIE? MAP enhancer?

You should use electronics devices like those, so send less diesel to engine as you substitute with HHO.

Take Care

[mars1952]

Hi hhobegginernew: I plan on making a MAP sensor fooler but I am reluctant to use one until I get an OBOII code reader so that I can see what is going on when I use the MAP fooler.

Good Luck, Marshall

[kratomosphere]

I am in great question of the benafits of the MAP enhancer. I had one installed in my truck and was doing tests with a Scan gauge to read real time MPG. I would drive at a set speed with the MAP enhancer off and log real time MPG. Then when I would switch it on, on a very lean setting I did NOT notice any difference with MPG. I found that it does not work well to LEAN out fuel use. I no longer use this device. EFIE is my next test. Just FYI I thought I should share my findings. Thank you!

[cheaphardwarez]

I have used an EFIE and had great results! I think it also depends on the computers program and ability to lean up the mix.  Now here is the kicker. Using water vapor injection and the EFIE on a 4 cylinder engine I doubled my millage at the cost of take off power. American Hydrogen assoc claims you need 5% BTU value h2 to improve millage, no hho cell is going to do that.. sorry..

[PLPPETERSON]

great honest test--i have a 02 f350 7.3 powerstroke---getting about the same mpg's---about the same time & $ spent for little return-- getting frustrated

[mars1952]

I still have hope that I can further increase the gains with more HHO and a MAP sensor mod. Also I have ordered an after market computer chip that claims a 15% MPG increase plus more power without increasing the EGT. I will test it and post the results.

Good Luck, Marshall

[phlathack]

I like your tests. Sure wish there were more honest tests like yours on youtube. Have you looked at any O2 or other fuel system electronics changes long with HHO? I've seen in some vehicles people actually get worse MPG because the computer is using too much fuel. I am still new at this and hope to test one on my Jeep soon.

[rocketman32815]

I have a 98 350 turbo 7.3 for which I've been researching HHO. I think you might want to look into the MAP sensor mod which adds a potentimeter between the sensor and computer. This mod allows for leaning to compensate for HHO. I'm in Mt Airy part of the year.

[mars1952]

I am looking into MAP sensor mods.

Thanks for the advice, Marshall

[higherpoweredh2o]

one more idea for you. when i install propane injection on powerstrokes you have to reflash the pcm to get full benifit. Very important to use egt on diesel also. infact you see more pyrometers on diesel than gas engine do to alot of boost pressure. Get a power programer for your truck you will enjoy more torque and mpg with that alone. it also may accept hho better. keep up the good work. I am glad to see you do the powerstroke.

[mars1952]

I plan on getting an EGT monitor. I am looking into the Power Programmer.

Thanks for the advice, Marshall

[higherpoweredh2o]

Great work. I suggest a longer drive. I do 100 miles. And as far as vehicle mpg guage it is an average. the comp assumes and calculates based on tps. YOu actually did well in my book. Diesel is a whole different combution process. powerstrokes also use alfa n tuning. its only real feed back is tps and manifold pressure. i have always assumed new diesels would be a harder nut to crack and you have somewhat confirmed my idea. good job.

[mars1952]

Longer drives are on the schedule. I wanted to get an accurate MPG as soon as possible and I didn't want to waste a lot of fuel doing side by side comparisons. I would like to modify the MAP senor but all the mods I have found revolve around increasing the amount of fuel injected I need to decrease it. What so you suggest?

Good Luck, Marshall

[mars1952]

correction: What do (not so) you suggest.

[HHOdude]

Maybe you need more HHO for a larger engine. You might need electronic enhancers to fool OBD2 computer. I would think someone could reprogram chip to work with HHO, I've heard OBD2 is hard to fool. TPS would be a great way to control HHO. The throttle position would limit power to cell limiting production at low throttle; hope to experiment in near future. Your videos are great documentation of your progress! I am honored that you mentioned my build, was an awesome compliment - thank you!!

[mars1952]

Hi HHOdude: My best guess right now is that I need about 3 times as much HHO as I am producing now. (1 to 3L now, need 3 to 9L. Where can I get that many Amps!) I am not sure but I think that my truck uses OBD1. I am looking into MAP sensor mods. It apprears that if I fool the Map into thinking that there is less turbo boost then the computer will inject less fuel.Good Luck, Marshall