Sugar Ray Robinson fights Jake LaMotta 3

[haupper]

Lamotta moves like molasses here. He had to be more dynamic than this when he beat Robinson the first time.

[sweetsugarsmith]

3:53 ouch. damn jake was hard headed.

[ajp135212]

Robinson vs Prime Roy Jones would have been good...

[LordShivaTheDeStroyA]

Bless up Da GoD Sugar Ray Robinson

[apacheslim]

Both of these fuckers are quick and can take punishment. Not as much hugging as today. Mayweather and Pacquiao wouldnt last in this time period unless they adapted and trained harder. Theyd have to learn from their losses.

[TheManthighs]

I feel like a strong gust of wind could snap Robinson's legs.

[pressrolls]

Agreed.....want to REALLY SKIINY legs on a black guy??

Look up a video of featherweight boxer Sandy Saddler. WOW!

Willie Pep vs Sandy Saddler (that vid)

[danogzilla]

i bet ray had nightmares of lamotta relentlessly coming at him. and lamotta had nightmares of being hit by punches he couldn't see.

[XxDiddyDidItxX]

their feet look so tiny .... maybe cause the camera or distance idk

[pressrolls]

@XxDiddyDidItxX

No Rays feet and ankles (hell, his whole leg!) is ridiculously skinny. Look like deer legs stuck on his lower body.... "getaway sticks" as they called them in the 30's.

[XxDiddyDidItxX]

@pressrolls 1 things for sure ; he knows how to use them to help the power in his punches, you can tell by the way hes standing .

[rucula2]

@XxDiddyDidItxX have you seen tyson legs its ridicoulusly thin for his size.. its kind of the boxer's physique though marciano legs where pretty big

[stlucianrasta92]

I'm surprised at how well LaMotta used his jab. I never knew he had such a good jab

[dempsey981]

consensus is that ray is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME,and i agree.his total package skill set is certainly like no other.perfect!

[spactick]

Lamotta's a tuff son of a bitch.

[haris000000]

the frst one who floated liek a buterfly and stung like a bee

[benjamminmt]

these guys hit like freight trains...dont make em like this anymore. a tougher life made tough men..

[exeat5]

ive seen the movie with robert de niro first .... MAN DE NIRO SUCH A GREAT ACTOR he was boxing the exact same way man incredible same posture such a great imitation robert de niro rules ! great match btw !

[tftmc]

Both of these fighters are some of the best of all time. As far as Slugger vs. Boxer goes, this is the best rivalry. Better than Ali-Frazier even.

They both had tremendously hard chins, and great heart. LaMotta was tougher, Robinson hit harder with the left. Lamotta killed on the inside and pounded you when he hit, and Robinson can flurry punches towards you from any angle.

Every advantage is the others weakness. Each of the 6 fights showed stamina like no other rival fights.

[TheChoice264]

Well said.

[tftmc]

Thanks. Just saying what I see.

On top of that I would like to say I feel sorry for people who don't truly know these fighters of yesteryear & only know today's 12rd Champions.

LaMotta would kill the brawlers of today on stamina & toughness alone. Skill sets may be better today, but they don't come tougher than Raging Bull.

As for Robinson, who couldn't he destroy? The guy would take on all the Welter/Middleweight greats over the years. Fought nearly on a monthly basis w/ pro 200 fights.

[maforo85]

Just because these boxers are from the past dosent mean they are always the best, immortals that can never be beaten. There has been many boxers in the modern era that bare as great or better than than past boxers. Look at this fight, look hoe slow LaMotta is but he is still giving Robinson a fight, imagine if Robinson fought Camacho, Meldrick Taylor, Salvador Sanchez, Pryor, or Todays legend Pacquiao? i dont think Robinson stands a chance. Wake up to reality.

[ExplosiveThinMan]

Thats true. There were great boxers from every era.

The great ones could have success in any era.

[Subsw00fers]

You can't really say Robinson doesn't stand a chance because you never watched more than 10 of his bouts.

[aquaphone]

@maforo85

I agree with what a lot of what you said and I think you make some good points, but I think Robinson or LaMotta would easily knock out Pacquiao.

[tftmc]

Agreed. Robinson was just as quick as Pacman, was MUCH stronger and could hit you from any angle. Pacman feeds off the weaknesses of his opponent. In this case, Robinson has none except he held his left hand low, which wouldn't really matter against a southpaw like Pacman and Robinson had a granite chin. Roach has focused on getting Pacquiao to exploit the shit out of those weaknesses, but it wouldn't work with SRR.

That's why many in the boxing community consider him the best of all time.

[tftmc]

As for LaMotta. He isn't Cotto. Although they have similar physical attributes, LaMotta had the best chin, more heart and more stamina.

LaMotta could go 20 rounds if he needed to, Pacman is built for 12. Today's fighters would feel like they're hitting a rock every time they landed.

Today's fighters might win on the cards, but I doubt it. LaMotta could still bob & weave like any counter puncher and make that right that much more powerful. Especially against southpaw's like Wright and PAcman.

[FrizzyBlue]

It's mostly a matter of mathematics. To give you an idea of what has happened to boxing since Robinson's days: In the 50s there were almost 10,000 registered pro boxers in the United States. In 2006, there was just over 2,000. That's a 500% decrease in talent pool. Additionally, Robinson had 200 pro fights. I'm not saying those guys you mentioned weren't great fighters. But let's see them fight almost every month of their career and see how their record stands up to what Sugar Ray did.

[FrizzyBlue]

and don't forget. He fought everybody. and anybody. Sanchez and Pryor? THose guys are LIghtweights. Are you saying they don't stand a chance against Sugar Rat at 147? THat's crazy. Robinson is hands down the best welter ever.

[cpdusmcdst9]

DUDE are you really that retarded? comparing floyd fairyweather to either of theese 2 put the fuckin crack pipe down my lord 85% of the world must be borderline retards i didnt think it was possible for people to be that dumb..... its scary

[chilidog4960]

I was always curious why LaMotta never fought Graziano or tony Zale they both held the title between 46 - 48 and jake was in his prime then.

[ExplosiveThinMan]

Those guys didnt want to fight LaMotta

[TheChoice264]

Cuz they both ducked him.

[FrizzyBlue]

Mayweather can slip and dodge in pocket, but I wouldn't say he "fights" there. Sugar Ray is always getting off combinations in there. No one today can punch like SRR.

[TheChoice264]

Well said.

[HarryTheTalkingDude]

notice how SRR has timed La Motta's jab, and counterpunches. Then whenever La Motta is too discouraged to jab, SRR lays two, three jabs on him. Completely got him flustered.

[TheMisterti]

jack jonson style

[ExplosiveThinMan]

One more thing to notice is that Ray was moving away from Jake`s lefthook the whole night. He wasnt backing straight up but circling, catching an angle to get to stop and get his flurries off.

A good boxer should never back straight up. Ray was the master.

[Portis1Luv]

Ali once said Robinson was the greatest of all time.....true words check it out.

[Kowaliski55]

He is

[Chris2O09]

GUYS!

look at around 3:15

Did i just see Robinson do the groundwork of the Ali shuffle?

They should call it the sugar ray shuffle!!!

[420wakeNbake420]

no your a fucking idiot its ali shuffle, you must have smoked crack before you watched this retard

[Chris2O09]

Robinson did it... before ali was born.

[420wakeNbake420]

at 3:15 there is nothing even reminiscent of the Ali shuffle your on crack.... ali used to do the shufle to distract his opponents by getting them to look at his flashy foot work/ speed.... at 3:15 rays backing up crack head

[Chris2O09]

I said around then, it was at 3:17 you fucking idiot.

[ancience1923]

robinson dominated back then but you have to wonder how well he would've done if he had been in the 70's era. You can see both his and jake's styles are pretty relaxed and simple. It would be interesting to see how Robinson would stand to people like Foreman and Frasier.

[Chris2O09]

Foreman and Frasier were Heavyweights.... what are you getting at?

[ancience1923]

im just saying, if Robinson fought in a more modern time i don't think he'd do as well. no shot at robinson or lamotta but their forms are sort of sloppy. i could see robinson having troubles boxing in later eras because the boxing techniques have been perfected

[Chris2O09]

If you can name a middleweight today who could knock Jake down or outbox Ray Robinson i dont think i've heard of him.

You say sloppy, relaxed.... did you ever see Chris Eubank fight? He would stand perfectly still then suddenly KO brawlers like Nigel Benn... nothing wrong with not bouncing around like Ali you know.

[Chris2O09]

Roy Jones Junior also had a very strange technique which was extremely effective.

[ExplosiveThinMan]

Robinson`s footwork was more economical that Ali`s and he didnt waste as much energy. Also remember this is about a 31 year old Sugar. Ali didnt move as well after his layoff even in his late 20s.

The boxers today dont have the defensive skills of those oldtime fighters. They need to use their legs to get out of danger. Fighters like Sugar Ray, Charles, Archie and Burley they could stand right in the pocket and slip.

[sugarnadf]

mayweather fights in the pocket all the time hes a great example of that.also to say the fighters in those days didnt use their legs as much isnt true. this very fight shows how sugar ray was constantly moving circling to avoid punches.he didnt stay in the pocket much he tended to grab.sugar was still in his prime here,he grew out of the welter division and had nothing to prove.also ali's legs went cause of the layoff n ofcourse a heavyweight that moves like that would be difficult to maintain

[ExplosiveThinMan]

Yeah but there is only one Mayweather he is unique. There are some guys today that can slip in the pocket all night. Like Hopkins, Toney but most of them cant do it.

Notice when they refer to Floyd, Bernard etc are described as old school.

No question that fighters in that long ago era didnt run around as much.

Ali had alot to do with changing the style of fighting. He did it with flair and then Ray Leonard carried it on.

[sugarnadf]

your right, im just saying its not a lost art..they may not fight in the pocket as much but then you could switch it around and say todays fighters are better movers and better footwork. also dont call it running thats unfair, to use the ring and not standing toe 2 toe and create angles or look for counters or tire an opponent is not running. peace!

[ExplosiveThinMan]

Fair enough.

[TheChoice264]

They run. You create angles by pivoting and by shifting weight.

[sugarnadf]

stand by what i said, theres no rulebook on how to move or create angles. every fighter is unique movement creates angles look at ali srl and jones

[TheChoice264]

It's called the sweet science. you should look into it. There are "rules" that apply moron.

[TheChoice264]

(cont.) Yeah movement creates angles! The kind of movement i stated! Look, don't take my word for it,what do i care? I know what the hell i'm talkin about unlike some people LOL! Fighters today waste so much damn energy and it's unecessary. It renders them useless.

[TheChoice264]

(cont) congradualtions! You just used Ali who was old-school and Leonard who was old-school as examples of TODAYS FIGHTERS and why it's good to run! LOL! You fool! Ali and Leonard didn't run,they moved. There's a difference. Who today even remotely does what they did effectively? Nobody. Leonard didn't waste energy.

[TheChoice264]

By the way Jones does exactly what i said..he pivots and shifts weight...moron! Stop wasting my time! Go learn something!

[sugarnadf]

moron?so anyone who has a diiferent opinion is a moron..if there was rule books idiot y have boxers changed so much since the early days genius,watch jack johnson and c if he fights anything like muhammad ali...exactly. and if u think ali was old school then ur the idiot he was the first fighter to use the 'dancin' style wer he moved constantly to create angles didnt pivot as much like a joe louis or someone...

[TheChoice264]

Boxing peaked from the 30's-80's and drastically declined in the 90's to present. Everybody in fistiana knows this and i could give you many reasons why since you're in the dark. Ali DID NOT invent his style. He was simply the first heavyweight to employ it. Duh. And yes he was definately OLD-SCHOOL by the way he fought.

[TheChoice264]

Are you telling me that boxers have evolved since the 1940-1980 era's? Is that what you're telling me?

[sugarnadf]

and i never said modern fighters dont pivot and shift weight every one who has a body does that when in any fight sports but if u call todays fighters runners for moving round the ring then ur the moron and not me, look at what ali did against all his opponents in 60s, he moved constantly so hes not what u call old school fighter stop contradicting yourself, its the style not the year.cant believe grown men act like kids when they dont agree with someone online...get a grip keyboard warrior!

[TheChoice264]

I'm not contradicting you are just not bright enough to figure it out. You don't know the sweet-science. Ali was old-school in everything that he did. He was just the first heavyweight to use that style. Using latteral movement and circling on the balls of your feet and employing your reach advantage behind a good stiff jab was not NEW. Hell, he didn't even invent the rope-a-dope. Boxers been doin that forever. Wake up. Stop saying old-school guys like Ali and Leonard are present day fighters.

[sugarnadf]

the first guy i ever seen who circled and moved alot was willie pep and then robinson..but ali perfected it. but if todays fighters do it people like u call it running like when u replied to my comment that i typed like 7-8 months ago. thats the problem when they do it now people call them runners and boo.when there doin it to create angles,make the opponent miss and for counter opportunities.fighters before pep nd the likes wer alot more flat footed,nobody constantly moved like the 1s mentioned

[TheChoice264]

Who today fights like Pep or Ali? Who? Guys want to act like them but dont really want to be like them. Do you know what Pep and Ali did? They FOUGHT and OFTEN... in the gym and in the prize fight.

That's why they could do those things. Kids today try to emulate what they did and all they do is HURT themselves and i dont like kids getting hurt. All they do is waste energy that is unecessary and dont have it when they need it or to protect themselves. It's a joke. Pep was rarely EVER out of pos.

[TheChoice264]

(cont.) Pep was rarely ever out of position and Pep did more pivoting and shifting and rolling...hell he did it all. He was a defensive Master. Ali WASN'T. Ali wasted alot of energy as well which is why when he could no longer run he took beatings. What Ali did wasn't evolving at all. It was very devolved but he made it work for him,atleast for awhile because he mastered the priciples of Timing and Distance. Once he got off his bicycle he just took beatings. Teach kids to be like Pep,not Ali.

[sugarnadf]

fighters have been evolving and changin ever since the sport started so watch more boxing and stop wastin ur time acting tough on utube comments

[TheChoice264]

You mean more than i do the 2-3hrs i'm at the boxing gym every night? Or the boxing books that are constantly on me? Or the films i watch in my "spare-time"? Should i stop the spanish classes i'm taking to better understand my latino warriors as well? Ok. LOL!

[TheChoice264]

And one more thing....PLEASE don't ever compare Pep's Manly Art Of Self DEFENSE to Ali's again. There is no comparison. Ali was a great fighter but couldn't hold a candle to Pep's defensive skills and offensive direct attacks and counter-attacks and in-direct attacks. Pep had everything. Ali had a FEW things that he did very,very well.

[sugarnadf]

also i dont think pep had everything tbh.he didnt have a punch and he didnt have a great chin,2 things which ali had over pep imo.but both are in my top 5..but like i said its opinion..peace

[TheChoice264]

Really? You don't think Pep had a good chin???

[TheChoice264]

Also, Pep and Ali didn't start the moving and circling. They just didn't. It's a fact,not my opinion. Yes nobody ever did it like Ali though. But Ali didn't have good defense. He did 4 things very,very well. Frazier did only 2 things very well. LOL. Peace.

[TheChoice264]

Yeah but in boxing you dont really need a punch,though it sure helps.LOL.

[dempsey981]

@TheChoice264 u dont really need a punch????reallllly?punch is the only way to STOP a man.punch along with speed,and technique is very important.without punching power the other guy will keep tryin to walk right thru you,thats a problem.theres no substitute for punch friend.give me speed and give me punch.

[sugarnadf]

this is my last reply cant b bothered with immature people like u,im entitled to my - u think fighters today arent what they used to be fair enough,i think there different in some ways not any worse of except not always fighting the best when they should be, but style wise whether its on the decline or not isnt a fact its an opinion, if ur gonna disagree with some1 atleast grow up.u keep going on about fighters from the past are this and that, y dont u try being a gentlemen and sport like them 2

[TheChoice264]

I apologize for name calling. You're right i shouldn't do that. I'll be the first to admit that i'm not perfect.

You say boxings/boxers decline is not a fact but a mere opinion. I guess ther'e just no such thing as a fact anymore is there? Everything is simply an "opinion". Again, i see it everyday and i know boxing/boxers are a shadow of what it used to be. There are REASONs for this. Much of the art has been lost and modern boxing gurus aren't helping.

[sugarnadf]

i said i wasnt gona reply but as long as its respectful i jus had to clarify something...i wasnt saying alis defense was as good as peps,pep to me was the greatest defensive master in boxing history,ali was also up there he was a good a mover as someone 6 ft 3 could be,pep was tiny and low centre of gravity so he could do things ali couldnt.i meant that they started the moving and circling,but ali perfected a style variation of it for himself, never seen any1 circle as much until he came along

[Audioslav3driver]

You sir are an idiot.

Boxers from that era make todays boxers look like giant vaginas =

[625412]

tough as teak these guys great fighters and were real men good to see

[Neimisis]

gr8 fighters but fuckin shit defense

[lahkidd]

RAY R. SPENT TIME TRAINING W/ ALI AND WAS HIS ADVISOR. RR IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME HE DIDNT LOSE A FIGHT TIL HIS 176th BOUT!!!WHEN HE WAS 19 NOBODY WOULD GO NEAR HIM, HE WOULD KNOCK YOU OUT MOVING BACKWARDS!! MONSTER

[AlexChandler100]

@lahkidd This is not true. Ray had only 173 wins in his entire career. And he had an early loss against Jake Lamotta in 1943. Of course I am not saying that he is not the greatest of all time. But the things that you are saying are simply false.

[01400401967]

only 173 wins!!!!!!!!!!

[username7212345]

@lahkidd He actually lost his 41st fight to Lamotta

[asiercostas1]

this guy sucks he doesnt know how to fight

[kilomeister]

ali's style is comparable with sugar. as for raging bull. he went down on his cosa nostra puppet master.

[lockjaw23]

yeah he did, in his 4th last fight though, hard bastard

[vivelaviva]

I think RR´s boxing style is somehow comparable with Ali´s

[odeball22]

If by comparable you mean manny times better.Sorry RR didnt say on the ropes all the time.

[ExplosiveThinMan]

Yes. They both had speed and mobility.

One difference though is that Sugar Ray doesnt jump around the ring and waste energy. He had a pocket defense and was able to use foot movement more efficiantly.

Sugar Ray glides around the ring and gets the distance and the angle he needs to get his shots off. Its effortless the way he does it.

[itsabird]

yeah the tv quality of that day really doesnt' do him justice...i actually think that's a huge reason why most people today have a hard time accepting that the average boxer of that day was much better, cause you can't see or hear them as well back then.

[JcLeopard]

How did you come to that conclusion. I'll bet you that 99% of boxing analist, historians, trainers, and fighters will tell you that robinson was and the greatest p4p fighter that ever lived

[asiercostas1]

i think sugar ray robinson sucks

[actionseries]

Dude you are stupid as hell with a dumb ass name (asiercostas1) Robinson never sucked and was/is the greatest fighter ever!!!

[Rasclot222]

People can say what they want Jake Lamotta was tuff but RR beat him period

[robochibi]

You cant not give jake credit. Robinson in his prime was the greatest boxer in his day and lamotta was the only one who gave him real competition. This match up is intersting because their styles are night and day. They are the pefect counter for one another. matches like this are rare.

[Benjodnb]

The best brawler-boxer fight was Jack Dempsey v.s Tunney. Probably wont be on youtube though cuz its from the 1920's.

[fernanhoy]

sure you can find that fight in youtube. I agree both fights dempsey-tunney were good boxing exhibition.

[ExplosiveThinMan]

Well in boxing a clean jab to the face is a scoring punch. Robinson`s hooks and crosses woudve iced most boxers. Jake had the hardest head Ive ever seen.

Robinson`s skills, defense and mobility won this for him.

[saltymike666]

i dont care what anyone thinks or says about this comment but if Lamotta can keep walking into jabs and contiualy unphased and forcing the other guy to move back than he is winning Period

[Rasclot222]

Ray Robinson beat Jake in this fight.

[badjaeaux]

La Motta = Robinson

give Jake the credit

[ExplosiveThinMan]

Robinson won 5 out of 6 of their fights. I agree Jake was good but he was no Sugar Ray. THe record speaks for itself. Jake himself would admit as much.

[Magicdalyricist]

Sugar Ray Robinson Is Quick, You Gotta Respect His Moves. He Was Moving In & Moving Back So He Can Effectly Punch Jack LaMotta A Couple Times To His Face & Body. That's What Boxing's All Bout. If You Got Speed, Power, Agility Then You Have The Right To Keep Moving back & ward. :-)

[LeprechaunDrunk]

i have deep respect for sugar ray, but la motta's style and approach is incredible. jake himself called sugar ray's style "cute and dancy" (not the exact words but something to that effect.) Jake keeps bearing in, never relenting as sugar ray continuously backs away from him.

[Diunky]

i think the likes of roy jones jr would have beatin lamotta but as for robinson he's the king of the ring

[intoccabile]

I dont see how ANYONE could possibly give jake round 7.

2 decent hooks at the beginnig dont make up for the jab clinic he was given, and combinations he ate in the last minute and 30

[intoccabile]

Ec you are wrong.

Just because X loses to Y, doesnt mean that Y can beat W and Z, and X can't. That is why styles make fights.

it's very possible that Although Ray can beat Jake, Jake may be able to beat people that Ray can't, and vice versa.

Or may be able to successfully defeat more styles/opponents than Ray can.

It's never good to judge fighter vs fighter based off what happened when THEY meet, but what happends when they fight other opposition.

[PRFrancis]

Lammata is pretty good but no middleweight can handle Hopkins headbutts hell no.

[PRFrancis]

Their great midleweights but Bernard Hopkins would probably beat both of them. Hopkins is the greatest middleweight of all time, sure he just lost to Calzaghe but not by much + Hopkins is 43 years old!

Robinson wasnt as great at middleweight as he was at welt. Robinson killed 2 men at welterweight, hed probably beat everyone of today at welt but it would be good fight, welterweights in a golden age today, Floyd, Cotto, Margarito, Quintana, Williams, Cintron, Mosley, Oscar.

Robinson thered b 0p

[jakeichi]

lamotta is in the middle of the ring just waithing the fucking suga rays dancing around hem like a sha sha girl, just fucking go straight hem. LaMOta the best and harder than ray no matter that he only one 1 time vs robinson he was better and robinson never down lamotta and la motta did it

[yaiqab]

One more time in english please, lol.

[tacktitioner]

Lamotta would have today's middleweigts avoiding him,if not running in fear. If anyonecan tell me one midlwght in todays game tht would have beaten Lamotta tell me...

[ForcedContortion]

jake lamotta could have todays lightweights running in fear.... nobody in boxing since it changed from 15 rounds to 12 could ever beat any body from before that era.

[crazyhuyman]

I don't know too much, but do you guys think it would've been cool if Lamotta came in during the 80's era (Hagler, Hearns, and Leonard)? I'm not favoring any over the other, but don't you think it'd be cool to see that sort of fighter in that era? I would've loved that.

[ec40268]

No man i'll have to correct you..I dont think somebody can be better tha someone when they lost to em about five times.....Ray whoped his ass on tha other fights..now dont get me wrong..Lomota is a good fighter...he jus got his ass whoped..ya kno wat i mean

[Rob1892]

Love watching fights like these. Exactly how boxing should be. Ref hardly has to get involved hardly any clinches, and even when there are they break freely.

Plus the clash of styles is fascinating to watch. Excellent video.

[ndmarine08]

wow what a jab on sugar ray. sorry to draw the poetic parralel but it looks a lot like sugar ray leonards

[laveticusprime]

yeah. but just having a hard head is not enough. I don't think he had ANY style and he absorbed a TON of punches. That doesn't make a great boxer. Sugar ray is tagging him at will. He has a hard head and can take a lot of punishment, but it looks like Sugar ray is happy to keep popping him and racking up the points. He's getting creamed.

[jaycore]

lamotta defense is underated. he slips allota punches

[sidemannn]

isn't it frightful to see a rival always step towards you la motta does, eventhough he takes hard punches. ıt must be really hard to fight against such a boxer. Not one step back and always menacing...

[brianZoso]

man Jake is a fucking Bull, Ive never seen anyone take shots like him

[WZ912]

AWESOME! I wish I was there to see this fight live.