Very very good. You guys are the first Americans I see with the right room clearing technique. One thing you missed it commands and putting some rounds into the room before entering from the corner of the door space. The is a way to do so without exposing yourself. But overall very very nice. I wish US troops would learn clearing room this way instead of just jumping straight in stupidly like they do.
been an army grunt for a good bit (21years as now),have seen alot of ways to do this in many variations a lot live fires. Picked up advanced urban clearing techniques seen bad techniques. It all comes down to many times doing it. I want go into what I no because terrorists are watching youtube, but thier are alot of ways to do it.
Point man really does most of the room clearing everyone else just picks up the stragglers. You don't wait for #2 to take out someone you already identified as a threat. Pretty sure as soon as you go into the fatal frontal you sweep and get as many as you can identify and go to your designated point.
What's with the side exposure on entry... Not leading with the muzzle? And why place the butt and not already have your mount for the snap on contact. It's a good video well presented but basic in tactical principles... Which might be the point so that you don't show the good stuff.
Quit chicken winging your weapon, remember wall body weapon, and you might wanna pay attention to the fatal funnel. You look like a bunch of POGs on the first day of MCT. Nobody take this video seriously please.
nice i love how you ran your long wall. what you could also do is after you set in place and both sound clear your 2 man can move a ittle more along the wall if he has to to and clear the rear of the table. for exampe of if it was a sofa or somthing you cant see through easily. also check for wires and ieds. thi is how they showed us in AUC(advanced Urban Combat)USMC baby. its crazy how much you can do in a building. we try not to do a 2 man unless we have to. good job.
@kovemaster5591 I've been through a career of this type training and thier are many levels of skill I've seen in this. most of the infantry as a hole have dam good teams. It requires alot of training with your team to become well oiled.
points mans shoulder facing towards a hall way (if it is youre watching the hall) or wall once the room entered 1st man button hooks and second crosses without having to raise the weapon the room is entered with muzzles already up with little correct to get that eye muzzle alignment. And one more thing stopped getting sucked into the corner.
this is the correct way to clear a room if you want to get shot and die. That chicken wing buttstock is a big hell no. I recommend you shoulder the weapon with the muzzle pointed towards the door. The angle is correct, but the shouldering is missing as well as the second man should rest his muzzle on his left shoulder once the room is entered muzzles should never be dropped. Those seconds you spent raising the weapon can cost you your life. Since second mans weapon is already resting on
im glad you mentioned foot setup...all to often people stumble through the door and miss the initial moment of surprise simply because they cant make that wide pivot.
i noticed you guys didnt clear your tweve o'clock when you immidiatly entered the room, you were almost instanly turning to your repective corners. i was tought the first and second man shoulder the rifle to theyre twelve while going through the door then sweeping into your "hard" corners then back out to your interlocking arcs. not being picky just the way we do things
Good to see airsoft portrayed in a good light by firearm owners. Most "amateur" shooters tend to flame airsofters, luckily the experts see the real training value of them. I used airsoft to train for a weapons handling test. I passed first time, with only 1 hour of official training.
@sockschappercat Have you tried paintball too? Airsoft and paintball are great ways to train on a budget. You should try paintball also for both things offer something different and they have their limitations but you can get valuable experience doing both.
one thing I believe you should mention how to come out of a room.... in the acadamey we always stacked back up and announced before we came out of a room even with a rear guard watching the hallway or other room out side of the fatal funnel... also a question I have is i saw that the first in used the bottom jamb of the door to push into his button hook... my question is what is the point of this extra step instead of just coming into a button hook
Im assuming man 2 would take up security on the door, unless your method is to move immedatly to the next door? I'v often wondered what the best way to pull rear security would be in a 2 man stack. Any input would be helpful... thanks. Also I like your idea that man 1 doesnt take the path of least resistance, so as to clear the entire room upon entry... good tactics for such a small element.
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While I am not a member of Paladin Press, one possible reason could be that they want to make sure the weapon fits through the doorway. Since it does extend out from your body, if you had a longer barrel or longer firearm in general, you could turn bump it in to the doorway or get stuck on the wall as you pivot.
@UtahShotokan That would be my guess. If you're entering a doorway with a rifle shouldered and extended someone could easily grab the barrel or handgrip as you're coming in. If it's tucked into your armpit, even if a person manages to grab it there would be a lot more resistance, and could give you a precious second or two to fire off shots.
@UtahShotokan its called short stocking, it allows you to whip that barrel around the corner easier without having to muzzle sweep the other man in the stack and it makes for a more compact set up by losing nearly 6 inches off length coming off your body. marine corps follows similar doctrine because we have to carry full sized m16's
What the hell is this? You people haven't got a single clue. You try that in a real raid and you will most likely get killed. People like these individuals piss me off because there actually are soldiers ignorant enough to buy this shit. If any of my men tried this method I would rain shit on them all day long. That is all.
@ReturnofMichiko You are more than welcome to share your concerns with Rich Nance at WARTAC. If you'd like to offer some useful constructive criticism here, perhaps we can all learn from your experiences, ... if you can articulate them in a reasonable manner.
So I have a question... So lets say there is a guy in the middle of the room towards the back of the room...obviously when entering you would see him there.. Is the first guy entering the room going to still go in and check the immediate corners then the next corners and then work his way to neutralizing the target in the center or would he take him out first? thanks
LEO's obviously do things different than Military. Not knocking the technique used here. But cutting the pie prior to entry can be achieved before even stepping foot inside and exposing yourself to the op. I'm no SF but I had to unlearn 90's style entries in Afghanistan and updated again in Iraq, and now even more improvements in entry techniques
My personal and proven technique is high/low entry. If, and the world is full of the word "IF", there actually was a suspect cornered you wouldn't have a chance to protect nor acknowledge the threat. 1, is your weapon is pointing 90 across the room. This area should have been cleared prior to entry. 2 you exposed your body, to the threat AREA, first, rather than weapon first.. I could go on and on. I don't claim to be the know-all, but I am the go-to guy... Good lesson and vocal information, po
@MOSULTEEBOX i agree that this method is by far not the best, but i believe that the high low method is also somewhat out dated. even in drills there is often hesitation while entering as both 1 and 2 try and enter simultaneously, which often leads to spending way too much time in the doorway. Now assuming you are doing it for real and there is a high amount of stress involved, you are more likely going to get stuck in that doorway.
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@theslayer246 Thank you for your question, ... I'll have to defer it to Mr. Peachman however, and he can be contacted through the WARTAC website: wartac.com.
These guys are doing it right. Number one man gos to the path of least resistance AWAY from the hinges because the door opens inwards,oppisite direction of an outward door ( then you would go into hinge direction). He immediately covers the blind corner and then adjacent corners with interlacing fields of fire. Notice he does not push to the blind corner because of the hallway on that side. For all you haters that think that these dudes are not doing it right you might want to stop playing COD.
@dirtydanarchy Have you contacted Rich at WARTAC to express your concerns? There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with their methods, but what about offering your opinion of the correct method? Why do think this DVD is garbage? Why do you consider these methods to be stupid ideas?
@PaladinPress Wouldn't the door placement for the room mean you have to make changes to the entry?, like in the demo the door is on the far right hand side (or left for the entry team) but say its at the center wouldn't it make this method a little bit more tricky? just wondering
I think the quickest way to answer your question would be to contact Rich Nance at WARTAC. Their website is w w w (dot) wartac (dot) com. Please let me know if you're unable to make contact.
@PaladinPress - I think ReturnofMichiko was just troll posting. What these guys did in the video is same method which multiple instructors have show us during in-service training.
@IlovemyGlock21 Most likely. He said he would come back and disclose his procedures, but didn't have that kind of time at the moment. Yep. I've heard that before. Enough time to bitch, but no time for a solution. Not sure I'd want him leading me anywhere. All bark and no knowledge.
principal and vice principal of a school could learn some simple things like this and be able to stop a massacre. Of course those officials dont want to be responsible for their kids though
Always something new to learn than buttonhook etc. If entry method can be successfully applied (and as it seems it is) than there is nothing more to require.
I've liked the part with foot stop before changing next corner. Thanks
@free4life85: No, sorry, should have made that clear, if the door opens outward (toward the stack) first man in moves toward the hinge side. If the door opens inward then the first man in moves away from the hinge side. And of course you always leave at least one man in the hall as security. Also the video did not mention the use of grenades. Stun (if there might be friendlies in the room) or mini-frag as appropriate prior to entering the room if at all possible.
The bald guy isn't holding his M4 proper when he shoulders it, the bore, and buffertube parallel line is up and over is shoulder, not controlling good recoil as much as the way his partner shoulders his rifle.
In this specific vid the #1 can already see the left corner when he takes that first step in prior to pivoting to cover the right sector. So what decides what direction the #1 man goes into the room? Is it shape of the room? Placement and layout of the door in relation to rest of the room?
Hi, free4life 85 ... I really wish I could answer your questions, but I'd have to defer to WARTAC founder Rich Nance and/or WARTAC instructor Aaron Peachman.
You could try reaching them via their website: wartac.com
Please let me know if you were unable to reach them and I'll see what I can do for you.
@free4life85 I'm in the 101st and the unit standards here dictate that you move in opposite from the point entry, because, like you said, you already have eyes on that point of domination, but at the same time you don't want to be predictable. So either way could be right, there's more than one way to skin a kitty.
@free4life85 the doorway is called the fatal funnel. In basic we got an 8 man squad into a room in under two seconds. Most teams the point man always goes to the right first after clearing imminent danger zones (anything in front of you after your through the doorway) and ones hes in the guys that file behind him watch the other corners and the point mans back. sorry this is a pretty rough explanation but thats how its done in some cases since you dont always have schematics.
1 man eyes on door.2 man security to the 12 if rear secruity is held by another element..anyone gunna smash the door to make sure no ones behind. clear that dead space? call out doors and redzones
1 man eyes on door.2 man security to the 12 if rear secruity is held by another element..anyone gunna smash the door to make sure no ones behind. clear that dead space? call out doors and redzones
@david0ffxxx David, many law enforcement and military personnel continue their education and training on their own time. Paladin Press offers a vast array of Police Science and Military Science products. I'm not sure what you mean by it being a manual for terrorists ... that's a bold statement I do not appreciate.
@PaladinPress Ok I shouldn't have put it in such a way, that was childish and for that i apologize (btw i'm not english so excuse me if i write spellingmistakes). But i still keep on thinking that throwing techniques like this on the internet isn't responsible. Any crazy (not stupid) guy with a gun can learn now how to secure a room in a professional way.
But then again a lot of worse things can be found on the internet (like making bombs) so I geuss this is ok compared with that.
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PaladinPress explained it very well but; all systems have their flaws and USMC/SWAT train to exploit and overcome these flaws. For an example one of my LEO buddys showed me a way to make a KM styled gundissarm fail. I believe he called it the COPP (Control Orient Push Pull) method; and there are also ways to make the COPP dissarm defense fail. Bottom line LEO/USMC is always 2 steps ahead of the civilian world.
why have the #1 man button hook? takes up so much time and puts him at a greater risk. I know there are 10 million different ways to do this but from experience the 1 man needs to take the "path of least resistance", as you said the #2 needs to stick to him so they enter at the same time. Just my .02 cents
A few things, and yes these should be forwarded. One, they did not cover the intiating of the clear, ie. a bump with the knee on the lower body. Why the lower body? So it is not mistaken for any accidental movements. Two, why in the world did they not clear the fatal front? There's a reason for the name, neither of them cleared forward and the two man should also, if there's a door or the one man missed it that's game over. Three silhouetting, don't get stuck in front of an open door or window.
Hmm. Perhaps it would be more beneficial to partially clear the room prior to entering by moving in a semi circle to to the other side of the doorway (not allowing your barrel to enter the doorway), then use an entry method like the one on this vid to clear the hard corners.
I have to give you both a fail. First person who enters the room should not button hook the door. It slows your movement down and that can cause a backup in the door way to occur. The second man in didn't bother to secure the door (check behind the door or slam body up against it, ensuring no one is behind it). If I was hiding behind the door I would have slammed the door closed to keep anyone else from entering and killed the second man in first and then the first man.
I don't know. I'm not expert, but I do have tactical training so don't you think they were both easy targets as you entered the room? If I were a threat I would be tuned to the door entry and shot you right as you entered.
What you did was a dynamic entry and isn't very applicable to normal police or civilian defense training. I would have been able to shoot both of you as you attempted to enter the room.
#1 man should have his weapon shouldered and ready to rock BEFORE going in to the room. That low ready posture on entry is dangerous and can get you killed. Buttonhooking the corner before CLEARING the immediate doorway funnel isn't to bright. Breaching the door and assuming the bad guy is NOT standing right in the funnel is an assumption that is pretty dangerous. Whether he is doing it for some "justifiable" retention reason or not, it is not a very sound tactic.
As the "Lead" in this entry (at 2:21 into the video) why would you have the gun on the right of your body? Would you not want the gun to get into the room before your torso???
I would think you would want the gun in as fast as possible as apposed to entering with the body moving into the doorway first? Can you give me your feedback on the reasons way you have to gun on that side of your body...
@BadgersBrigade Thank you for your comment, BadgersBrigade. Unfortunately, those questions would have to be addressed by Rich Nance or Aaron Peachman from WARTAC. If you would like, we can forward your contact information and questions to the authors.
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@BadgersBrigade the guy at the front does have the gun up. the guy at the back doesn't, and my guuess is so he doesn't acidentaly shoot his partner. donno
@BadgersBrigade I think one of the reasons is that coming with rifle up gives away the fact that you're entering by the barrel, is prone to a gun grab and makes you linger in the entryway longer than necessary.
Hm...Sounds logical, but if u wrap the corner fast, gun high isn't that better 2 be looking at them down the barrel as opposed 2 bringing the gun up as u come around the corner? Especially if your in someones sights as u come around (coming up with ur gun)? If they r close enough 2 grab your barrel wouldn't they be close enough 2 keep u from bringing your gun up as well? I think if someone grabbed my barrel i would pull the trigger and still pull the gun into there torso region...
@BadgersBrigade If they try to grab your gun, which is at a low position while you're in the doorway, you can still tackle, shove or hit them, clear the doorway and handle them on your own. If the gun is up, they can take it away from you and leave you defenseless as well as leave you blocking the door. It's also a matter of convenience, using a technique that can be used on any weapon, short or long.
I think I will study all the techniques out there 2 find a way that makes me feel safer. I just don't feel this is the best way. Please Take No offense, I just feel my gun needs 2 b on the enemies. I feel u can "Slice" into a room giving very little of yourself & then clear it with gun up & ready. If ur enemy is in the far corner I may drop my barrel a little 2 round the corner, but not much. And if there are 2, your tackle or shove will get you dead if the other has a shot.
@BadgersBrigade Whatever works for you. Just remember, if you're slicing a corner correctly, the door must already be open, and you must pay attention. That takes time, which doesn't really go to well with a snap entry.
I was thinking this myself? I sent a few questions to the guys about this and the "low-ready" on entry so I am waiting for a response... Wonder if it was just a mistake or if there is so reason? I am new to CQB/CQC and have only been studying for about two years so there is still a lot of little tricks I am learning every day. But I have to say, it looks a little hairy to me... (again, far from an expert though)
Cool.How 2train people not being soldiers/SF to know how 2act like one.3:19 Why U look first at left small corner when Ur right is exposed? than keeping you eye view low on ground?(maybe it just looks so)And the 2nd guy have to watch again your checked site?
I play rainbow six games a lot. I know pretty much every tactical entry as an elite player. both against other hard core players and A.I. when they were waiting at the door it is called stacking up. you can stack up 2 on either side of the door or split the stack with one on both sides of the door.
Very very good. You guys are the first Americans I see with the right room clearing technique. One thing you missed it commands and putting some rounds into the room before entering from the corner of the door space. The is a way to do so without exposing yourself. But overall very very nice. I wish US troops would learn clearing room this way instead of just jumping straight in stupidly like they do.
MrNomansland100 5 days ago
been an army grunt for a good bit (21years as now),have seen alot of ways to do this in many variations a lot live fires. Picked up advanced urban clearing techniques seen bad techniques. It all comes down to many times doing it. I want go into what I no because terrorists are watching youtube, but thier are alot of ways to do it.
spiritwolf50 1 week ago
Point man really does most of the room clearing everyone else just picks up the stragglers. You don't wait for #2 to take out someone you already identified as a threat. Pretty sure as soon as you go into the fatal frontal you sweep and get as many as you can identify and go to your designated point.
fresh2deft 1 week ago
What's with the side exposure on entry... Not leading with the muzzle? And why place the butt and not already have your mount for the snap on contact. It's a good video well presented but basic in tactical principles... Which might be the point so that you don't show the good stuff.
oxbyj 1 week ago
@oxbyj last part good point, terrorists in training probally out thier taking notes even though that want help their dumb asses much.
spiritwolf50 1 week ago
Uhh what do you do if the doors closed.. and try keep your eye or arm pointed at next availible entry.
Yesr777 2 weeks ago
Quit chicken winging your weapon, remember wall body weapon, and you might wanna pay attention to the fatal funnel. You look like a bunch of POGs on the first day of MCT. Nobody take this video seriously please.
jrrivello 2 weeks ago
nice i love how you ran your long wall. what you could also do is after you set in place and both sound clear your 2 man can move a ittle more along the wall if he has to to and clear the rear of the table. for exampe of if it was a sofa or somthing you cant see through easily. also check for wires and ieds. thi is how they showed us in AUC(advanced Urban Combat)USMC baby. its crazy how much you can do in a building. we try not to do a 2 man unless we have to. good job.
eetmytwinki 3 weeks ago
not the way they showed us in the ARMY but its ur life
kovemaster5591 3 weeks ago
@kovemaster5591 probably because you're not even in the army my friend.
garrl007 2 weeks ago
@kovemaster5591 I've been through a career of this type training and thier are many levels of skill I've seen in this. most of the infantry as a hole have dam good teams. It requires alot of training with your team to become well oiled.
spiritwolf50 1 week ago
Note to self....Shoot through walls with Centurion buck and ball when badguy is after you then transition to handgun. Nice Video guys keep it up!
Derail07 3 weeks ago
the 1st guy is never wrong
pinoydancer118 4 weeks ago
umm wall body weapon
sargemanaustin 4 weeks ago
Good call using airsoft. Very good for practice.
PimpSlapNoJutsu 4 weeks ago
points mans shoulder facing towards a hall way (if it is youre watching the hall) or wall once the room entered 1st man button hooks and second crosses without having to raise the weapon the room is entered with muzzles already up with little correct to get that eye muzzle alignment. And one more thing stopped getting sucked into the corner.
yourdaddy20192 4 weeks ago
this is the correct way to clear a room if you want to get shot and die. That chicken wing buttstock is a big hell no. I recommend you shoulder the weapon with the muzzle pointed towards the door. The angle is correct, but the shouldering is missing as well as the second man should rest his muzzle on his left shoulder once the room is entered muzzles should never be dropped. Those seconds you spent raising the weapon can cost you your life. Since second mans weapon is already resting on
yourdaddy20192 4 weeks ago
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swatlover16 1 month ago
You have no rear security, the guy behind you killed you both.
SarsecPally 1 month ago 4
@SarsecPally 2 man room entry cannot be done solo. deal with what you have.
TheRaellz 1 month ago
Great video guys!
TheRubberDuck139 1 month ago
im glad you mentioned foot setup...all to often people stumble through the door and miss the initial moment of surprise simply because they cant make that wide pivot.
loydma3 1 month ago
i use these tactics on a day to day basis in my apartment complex
MegaFatWalrus 1 month ago
PaladinPress is such an excellent source of info - THANK YOU!
utahprof 1 month ago
i noticed you guys didnt clear your tweve o'clock when you immidiatly entered the room, you were almost instanly turning to your repective corners. i was tought the first and second man shoulder the rifle to theyre twelve while going through the door then sweeping into your "hard" corners then back out to your interlocking arcs. not being picky just the way we do things
humpdidyvoop 1 month ago
Good to see airsoft portrayed in a good light by firearm owners. Most "amateur" shooters tend to flame airsofters, luckily the experts see the real training value of them. I used airsoft to train for a weapons handling test. I passed first time, with only 1 hour of official training.
Thanks for this. Very informative.
sockschappercat 1 month ago
@sockschappercat Have you tried paintball too? Airsoft and paintball are great ways to train on a budget. You should try paintball also for both things offer something different and they have their limitations but you can get valuable experience doing both.
Lordzulu91 1 month ago
@Lordzulu91 Yes I have. I've found the recoil to be a bit heavier, but airsoft has a more realistic feel than even RAMs.
sockschappercat 1 month ago
one thing I believe you should mention how to come out of a room.... in the acadamey we always stacked back up and announced before we came out of a room even with a rear guard watching the hallway or other room out side of the fatal funnel... also a question I have is i saw that the first in used the bottom jamb of the door to push into his button hook... my question is what is the point of this extra step instead of just coming into a button hook
snowmofrk13 2 months ago
Im assuming man 2 would take up security on the door, unless your method is to move immedatly to the next door? I'v often wondered what the best way to pull rear security would be in a 2 man stack. Any input would be helpful... thanks. Also I like your idea that man 1 doesnt take the path of least resistance, so as to clear the entire room upon entry... good tactics for such a small element.
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lostrybe8 1 month ago
@PaladinPress Make sure you guys check your immediate danger area front. both are dead bcuz no one checked it when making entry.
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@PaladinPress Make sure you guys check your immediate danger area front. both are dead bcuz no one checked it when making entry.
lostrybe8 1 month ago
Whats the reasoning behind keeping the buttstock in the armpit when entering? In case someone grabs the barrel? Just curious.
UtahShotokan 2 months ago
@UtahShotokan Thanks for the comment. I've been directing questions to the author of the video Rich Nance. He can be reached via his website at WARTAC (dot) com. Please let me know if you're unable to reach him and I'll do what I can for you.
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While I am not a member of Paladin Press, one possible reason could be that they want to make sure the weapon fits through the doorway. Since it does extend out from your body, if you had a longer barrel or longer firearm in general, you could turn bump it in to the doorway or get stuck on the wall as you pivot.
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@UtahShotokan That would be my guess. If you're entering a doorway with a rifle shouldered and extended someone could easily grab the barrel or handgrip as you're coming in. If it's tucked into your armpit, even if a person manages to grab it there would be a lot more resistance, and could give you a precious second or two to fire off shots.
DJReddie 1 month ago
@UtahShotokan I think it's to move the weapon more easily through the door, without the barrel getting caught, not positive though
Icemed3 1 month ago
@UtahShotokan its called short stocking, it allows you to whip that barrel around the corner easier without having to muzzle sweep the other man in the stack and it makes for a more compact set up by losing nearly 6 inches off length coming off your body. marine corps follows similar doctrine because we have to carry full sized m16's
LeaveItToBeaner 1 month ago
@LeaveItToBeaner 1st man always button hooks. there's no reason why your weapon should ever cross someone ever.
yourdaddy20192 4 weeks ago
@UtahShotokan so the barrel will be shorter because you don't need longer barrel in close quarter.it can affect the mobility in cqb
nokia26300 4 days ago
its funny how all these apparent gun expert trolls on YT always have a bunch of Japanese cartoons on their channel
coty734 2 months ago 3
What the hell is this? You people haven't got a single clue. You try that in a real raid and you will most likely get killed. People like these individuals piss me off because there actually are soldiers ignorant enough to buy this shit. If any of my men tried this method I would rain shit on them all day long. That is all.
ReturnofMichiko 2 months ago
@ReturnofMichiko You are more than welcome to share your concerns with Rich Nance at WARTAC. If you'd like to offer some useful constructive criticism here, perhaps we can all learn from your experiences, ... if you can articulate them in a reasonable manner.
PaladinPress 2 months ago 3
what about directly across from the entry point, why didnt you clear that first?
schwenke88 2 months ago
very nice method. you guys look badass doing it too!! but i guess looks isn't what this tactic is about lol. but still very nicely done
GearHeadHeart 2 months ago
So I have a question... So lets say there is a guy in the middle of the room towards the back of the room...obviously when entering you would see him there.. Is the first guy entering the room going to still go in and check the immediate corners then the next corners and then work his way to neutralizing the target in the center or would he take him out first? thanks
661niggaplz661 2 months ago
LEO's obviously do things different than Military. Not knocking the technique used here. But cutting the pie prior to entry can be achieved before even stepping foot inside and exposing yourself to the op. I'm no SF but I had to unlearn 90's style entries in Afghanistan and updated again in Iraq, and now even more improvements in entry techniques
kalif151byccrew 3 months ago
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TheShart1234 3 months ago
My personal and proven technique is high/low entry. If, and the world is full of the word "IF", there actually was a suspect cornered you wouldn't have a chance to protect nor acknowledge the threat. 1, is your weapon is pointing 90 across the room. This area should have been cleared prior to entry. 2 you exposed your body, to the threat AREA, first, rather than weapon first.. I could go on and on. I don't claim to be the know-all, but I am the go-to guy... Good lesson and vocal information, po
MOSULTEEBOX 3 months ago
@MOSULTEEBOX i agree that this method is by far not the best, but i believe that the high low method is also somewhat out dated. even in drills there is often hesitation while entering as both 1 and 2 try and enter simultaneously, which often leads to spending way too much time in the doorway. Now assuming you are doing it for real and there is a high amount of stress involved, you are more likely going to get stuck in that doorway.
Taylor486imU 2 months ago
very good video. though you should make one on entering stairwell and moving down hallways!
xbox360royalbenefits 3 months ago
wasnt paladinpress the seller of how to be a hitman? loved that book :)
hagalazronin 3 months ago
@hagalazronin Yes, Paladin Press was the original publisher of Hit Man. It's since gone to the public domain. For Paladin Press FAQs, please visit our website and then click on About Us, then choose FAQs.
PaladinPress 3 months ago
can i ask what sling Aron is using?, thx
theslayer246 3 months ago
@theslayer246 Thank you for your question, ... I'll have to defer it to Mr. Peachman however, and he can be contacted through the WARTAC website: wartac.com.
PaladinPress 3 months ago
Oh yeah bullets go through tables. if there was an actual threats it would be killed. Thanks.
msk1911 3 months ago
These guys are doing it right. Number one man gos to the path of least resistance AWAY from the hinges because the door opens inwards,oppisite direction of an outward door ( then you would go into hinge direction). He immediately covers the blind corner and then adjacent corners with interlacing fields of fire. Notice he does not push to the blind corner because of the hallway on that side. For all you haters that think that these dudes are not doing it right you might want to stop playing COD.
msk1911 3 months ago 3
@msk1911 beautiful explanation man!
darkprecurser 3 months ago
i have those exact same chairs
and it seems like half the people commenting here are pros and are saying this video is demonstrating the techniques wrong? what is wrong?
bullmeatt 3 months ago
hey... the Pictures in the background are cool ... nice vid.
Mr96Philip96 3 months ago
You're gonna get someone killed with your stupid ideas
dirtydanarchy 3 months ago
@dirtydanarchy Have you contacted Rich at WARTAC to express your concerns? There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with their methods, but what about offering your opinion of the correct method? Why do think this DVD is garbage? Why do you consider these methods to be stupid ideas?
PaladinPress 3 months ago 13
@PaladinPress Wouldn't the door placement for the room mean you have to make changes to the entry?, like in the demo the door is on the far right hand side (or left for the entry team) but say its at the center wouldn't it make this method a little bit more tricky? just wondering
ichrammsteinfan 2 months ago
@ichrammsteinfan Thank you the comment and question.
I think the quickest way to answer your question would be to contact Rich Nance at WARTAC. Their website is w w w (dot) wartac (dot) com. Please let me know if you're unable to make contact.
PaladinPress 2 months ago
@PaladinPress - I think ReturnofMichiko was just troll posting. What these guys did in the video is same method which multiple instructors have show us during in-service training.
IlovemyGlock21 2 months ago
@IlovemyGlock21 Most likely. He said he would come back and disclose his procedures, but didn't have that kind of time at the moment. Yep. I've heard that before. Enough time to bitch, but no time for a solution. Not sure I'd want him leading me anywhere. All bark and no knowledge.
PaladinPress 2 months ago
oh this is so lame.. no skills at all
roberthansenfbi 4 months ago
principal and vice principal of a school could learn some simple things like this and be able to stop a massacre. Of course those officials dont want to be responsible for their kids though
jmyersv1 4 months ago
If there were threats under the table, wouldnt they have already shot your legs out by the time youre established in the room?
h8rzhate 4 months ago
Systema PTW?
NallePu83 4 months ago
Always something new to learn than buttonhook etc. If entry method can be successfully applied (and as it seems it is) than there is nothing more to require.
I've liked the part with foot stop before changing next corner. Thanks
SGOgdansk 4 months ago
Awesome guys! Short sweet and streight to the point! Guy's overthink this shit most of the time.
paboisselle 5 months ago
WRONG!
MrReimontube 5 months ago
@offramp100
Ok, is it the same when a door swings outward of the room, not into the room?
free4life85 5 months ago
@free4life85: No, sorry, should have made that clear, if the door opens outward (toward the stack) first man in moves toward the hinge side. If the door opens inward then the first man in moves away from the hinge side. And of course you always leave at least one man in the hall as security. Also the video did not mention the use of grenades. Stun (if there might be friendlies in the room) or mini-frag as appropriate prior to entering the room if at all possible.
offramp100 5 months ago
@offramp100
I appreciate the knowledge
free4life85 5 months ago
The bald guy isn't holding his M4 proper when he shoulders it, the bore, and buffertube parallel line is up and over is shoulder, not controlling good recoil as much as the way his partner shoulders his rifle.
IMFDB 5 months ago
@PaladinPress
In this specific vid the #1 can already see the left corner when he takes that first step in prior to pivoting to cover the right sector. So what decides what direction the #1 man goes into the room? Is it shape of the room? Placement and layout of the door in relation to rest of the room?
free4life85 5 months ago
@free4life85
Hi, free4life 85 ... I really wish I could answer your questions, but I'd have to defer to WARTAC founder Rich Nance and/or WARTAC instructor Aaron Peachman.
You could try reaching them via their website: wartac.com
Please let me know if you were unable to reach them and I'll see what I can do for you.
PaladinPress 5 months ago
@free4life85 First man in goes to the side opposite to the hinges on the door
offramp100 5 months ago
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free4life85 5 months ago
@free4life85 I'm in the 101st and the unit standards here dictate that you move in opposite from the point entry, because, like you said, you already have eyes on that point of domination, but at the same time you don't want to be predictable. So either way could be right, there's more than one way to skin a kitty.
Jackthesnack520 5 months ago
@free4life85 the doorway is called the fatal funnel. In basic we got an 8 man squad into a room in under two seconds. Most teams the point man always goes to the right first after clearing imminent danger zones (anything in front of you after your through the doorway) and ones hes in the guys that file behind him watch the other corners and the point mans back. sorry this is a pretty rough explanation but thats how its done in some cases since you dont always have schematics.
darkprecurser 3 months ago
1 man eyes on door.2 man security to the 12 if rear secruity is held by another element..anyone gunna smash the door to make sure no ones behind. clear that dead space? call out doors and redzones
gorepit 5 months ago
1 man eyes on door.2 man security to the 12 if rear secruity is held by another element..anyone gunna smash the door to make sure no ones behind. clear that dead space? call out doors and redzones
gorepit 5 months ago
@makman1962 yeah like the big dude is doing from 0:38 'till 1:30 and then again starting from 3:05 haha.
david0ffxxx 5 months ago
@david0ffxxx
Well then perhaps you have some expertise in the field that you'd like to share with the rest of the class, junior.
makman1962 5 months ago
one more thing is this the manual for terorrists? couse people with good intensions get these trainings in their police- or military academy.
david0ffxxx 5 months ago
@david0ffxxx David, many law enforcement and military personnel continue their education and training on their own time. Paladin Press offers a vast array of Police Science and Military Science products. I'm not sure what you mean by it being a manual for terrorists ... that's a bold statement I do not appreciate.
PaladinPress 5 months ago 3
@PaladinPress Ok I shouldn't have put it in such a way, that was childish and for that i apologize (btw i'm not english so excuse me if i write spellingmistakes). But i still keep on thinking that throwing techniques like this on the internet isn't responsible. Any crazy (not stupid) guy with a gun can learn now how to secure a room in a professional way.
But then again a lot of worse things can be found on the internet (like making bombs) so I geuss this is ok compared with that.
david0ffxxx 5 months ago
@david0ffxxx Thanks for the reply. We at Paladin believe in zero censorship and 100% personal accountability. Meaning it's not the weapon, book, song lyric, or YouTube clip that makes a person want to hurt others or commit a crime. A person that chooses, or is willing to hurt others or commit crime has that within himself and should be held accountable if he decides to act. But to keep this information secret only perpetuates the advantage for tyrannical forces and leaves the innocent naive.
PaladinPress 5 months ago 20
@david0ffxxx Also, many people I know peruse their passions far past organized education. Purchasing a book or DVD on law enforcement tactics is no different than a fighter picking up a DVD on striking strategies to study at home.
PaladinPress 5 months ago
@david0ffxxx
PaladinPress explained it very well but; all systems have their flaws and USMC/SWAT train to exploit and overcome these flaws. For an example one of my LEO buddys showed me a way to make a KM styled gundissarm fail. I believe he called it the COPP (Control Orient Push Pull) method; and there are also ways to make the COPP dissarm defense fail. Bottom line LEO/USMC is always 2 steps ahead of the civilian world.
PDunkel66 4 months ago
Don't forget the Fatal Front
AssociatedPressRaw 5 months ago
why have the #1 man button hook? takes up so much time and puts him at a greater risk. I know there are 10 million different ways to do this but from experience the 1 man needs to take the "path of least resistance", as you said the #2 needs to stick to him so they enter at the same time. Just my .02 cents
jshealy123 5 months ago
+1... good teaching point. foot placement is often forgotten.
fightingmink 6 months ago
Bullet-hole drawings? That's freaking win.
John234pwns 6 months ago
I dunno but it's funny how the first man handled his primary weapon and the movement wasn't smooth at all.
painkilla816 6 months ago
A few things, and yes these should be forwarded. One, they did not cover the intiating of the clear, ie. a bump with the knee on the lower body. Why the lower body? So it is not mistaken for any accidental movements. Two, why in the world did they not clear the fatal front? There's a reason for the name, neither of them cleared forward and the two man should also, if there's a door or the one man missed it that's game over. Three silhouetting, don't get stuck in front of an open door or window.
pimpinaintez67 6 months ago
@pimpinaintez67 you nailed it
mcnoobstein 6 months ago
How come the lead man did not switch hands?
j99701 6 months ago
Didn't check behind the door.
fx02zbn 8 months ago
@Vernonu9 just had to add the "Hmm" in there for looks.
WyldOrbit 8 months ago
Hmm. Perhaps it would be more beneficial to partially clear the room prior to entering by moving in a semi circle to to the other side of the doorway (not allowing your barrel to enter the doorway), then use an entry method like the one on this vid to clear the hard corners.
Vernonu9 8 months ago
I have to give you both a fail. First person who enters the room should not button hook the door. It slows your movement down and that can cause a backup in the door way to occur. The second man in didn't bother to secure the door (check behind the door or slam body up against it, ensuring no one is behind it). If I was hiding behind the door I would have slammed the door closed to keep anyone else from entering and killed the second man in first and then the first man.
InfantryGeek 8 months ago
I don't know. I'm not expert, but I do have tactical training so don't you think they were both easy targets as you entered the room? If I were a threat I would be tuned to the door entry and shot you right as you entered.
What you did was a dynamic entry and isn't very applicable to normal police or civilian defense training. I would have been able to shoot both of you as you attempted to enter the room.
RayAir1 8 months ago
I guess these dudes never heard of grenades?
Rapist87 9 months ago
I have that map in my room!
Zurashidu 9 months ago 8
@Zurashidu then we should two man enter it with carabines :)
slovakiak1 6 months ago
@Zurashidu then what is it doing in the video? :P
ELITEHAMSTER123 4 months ago
#1 man should have his weapon shouldered and ready to rock BEFORE going in to the room. That low ready posture on entry is dangerous and can get you killed. Buttonhooking the corner before CLEARING the immediate doorway funnel isn't to bright. Breaching the door and assuming the bad guy is NOT standing right in the funnel is an assumption that is pretty dangerous. Whether he is doing it for some "justifiable" retention reason or not, it is not a very sound tactic.
tactical2bagpipes 9 months ago
As the "Lead" in this entry (at 2:21 into the video) why would you have the gun on the right of your body? Would you not want the gun to get into the room before your torso???
I would think you would want the gun in as fast as possible as apposed to entering with the body moving into the doorway first? Can you give me your feedback on the reasons way you have to gun on that side of your body...
BadgersBrigade 9 months ago
@BadgersBrigade Thank you for your comment, BadgersBrigade. Unfortunately, those questions would have to be addressed by Rich Nance or Aaron Peachman from WARTAC. If you would like, we can forward your contact information and questions to the authors.
PaladinPress 9 months ago
@PaladinPress
That would be great, thank you
BadgersBrigade 9 months ago
@BadgersBrigade If you could email your contact information to me at jasons (at) paladin-press (dot) com, I'll make sure it gets sent on to the authors. Thank you again for your comments.
PaladinPress 9 months ago
@BadgersBrigade the guy at the front does have the gun up. the guy at the back doesn't, and my guuess is so he doesn't acidentaly shoot his partner. donno
dirosaga 8 months ago
@BadgersBrigade I think one of the reasons is that coming with rifle up gives away the fact that you're entering by the barrel, is prone to a gun grab and makes you linger in the entryway longer than necessary.
John234pwns 6 months ago
@John234pwns
Hm...Sounds logical, but if u wrap the corner fast, gun high isn't that better 2 be looking at them down the barrel as opposed 2 bringing the gun up as u come around the corner? Especially if your in someones sights as u come around (coming up with ur gun)? If they r close enough 2 grab your barrel wouldn't they be close enough 2 keep u from bringing your gun up as well? I think if someone grabbed my barrel i would pull the trigger and still pull the gun into there torso region...
BadgersBrigade 6 months ago
@BadgersBrigade If they try to grab your gun, which is at a low position while you're in the doorway, you can still tackle, shove or hit them, clear the doorway and handle them on your own. If the gun is up, they can take it away from you and leave you defenseless as well as leave you blocking the door. It's also a matter of convenience, using a technique that can be used on any weapon, short or long.
John234pwns 6 months ago
@John234pwns
I think I will study all the techniques out there 2 find a way that makes me feel safer. I just don't feel this is the best way. Please Take No offense, I just feel my gun needs 2 b on the enemies. I feel u can "Slice" into a room giving very little of yourself & then clear it with gun up & ready. If ur enemy is in the far corner I may drop my barrel a little 2 round the corner, but not much. And if there are 2, your tackle or shove will get you dead if the other has a shot.
BadgersBrigade 6 months ago
@BadgersBrigade Whatever works for you. Just remember, if you're slicing a corner correctly, the door must already be open, and you must pay attention. That takes time, which doesn't really go to well with a snap entry.
John234pwns 6 months ago
@John234pwns
again, I mean no offense, I'm just not confident in this technique..
BadgersBrigade 6 months ago
If I'm gonna do a room entry I'd have some flash bangs, that would give you a couple of secs for the corners
MrSharpe95 9 months ago
Do we care who is in the room? If not ... boom.
mersk100 9 months ago
If someone comes in thru the door on the right, the second guy who enters may be shot by his partner.
WyldOrbit 9 months ago
Dont bother checking behind the doors either. Lol. Wtf is this nonsense.
WyldOrbit 9 months ago
Rich might want to try the addressing that corner with the firearm on his left side.
toliverfive 9 months ago
@toliverfive
I was thinking this myself? I sent a few questions to the guys about this and the "low-ready" on entry so I am waiting for a response... Wonder if it was just a mistake or if there is so reason? I am new to CQB/CQC and have only been studying for about two years so there is still a lot of little tricks I am learning every day. But I have to say, it looks a little hairy to me... (again, far from an expert though)
BadgersBrigade 9 months ago
The 1st dude checked his left first then his right, leaving his right exposed when he entered the room.
And he didnt even have the sights on his gun up when he entered
djsuperstar717 9 months ago
are those bullet hole pictures on the wall? badass
Gypsyman1992 9 months ago
Cool.How 2train people not being soldiers/SF to know how 2act like one.3:19 Why U look first at left small corner when Ur right is exposed? than keeping you eye view low on ground?(maybe it just looks so)And the 2nd guy have to watch again your checked site?
laikros 9 months ago
well i have the room, now all i need is 2 guns, a threat and a friend...
trje246 9 months ago
@trje246 u got the friend, now we need the guns :D
torolof 9 months ago
Great for home defence application and also knowing the tactics some DHS death squad or SWAT team may use against you. Thanks for posting.
LibertyInOurTime 9 months ago
I play rainbow six games a lot. I know pretty much every tactical entry as an elite player. both against other hard core players and A.I. when they were waiting at the door it is called stacking up. you can stack up 2 on either side of the door or split the stack with one on both sides of the door.
onthecuttingedge2005 9 months ago
where all the domestic terrorist at
sonjenruiu41 9 months ago
wee need more like this!
torolof 9 months ago 12
@torolof not rele . not at all
ironlungdtoker 9 months ago