Labour Party moves against Militant Tendency in Liverpool

[TheMiserablesod]

the labour party hate the term socialist is a clear example of how they are so right wing as to lose the connections with the nordinary working class,len mcluskey,leader of britains biggest union,used to belong,this is why labour will lose the next election

[GriefTourist]

new labour = tory reserves

[SkullOfYorick]

Long live Trotskyism. 'God' damn the Labour Party.

[densaner77]

The Labour party is supposed to be a democratic socialist party. The tendency were a bunch of commies. If they liked communism so much why not join the communist party?

[UDSS]

Because the Communist Party of Great Britain was Stalinist. The Militant Tendency was revolutionary anti-Stalinist socialist. They oppose the bureaucratic leadership of the communist party. Beside Labour was supposed to be a party for workers and not a party of capitalist lovers ( Tony Blair ).

But that is over now. Labour is right-wing and no longer socialist. Militant Labour is now the Socialist Party and far more democratic socialist then Labour ever was.

[densaner77]

@UDSS. Yeah there is a problem with your thesis. The Labour party is not a revolutionary anything. Labour is democratic socialist. It is of the centre left and always has been. Militant whether stalinist or not were not socialist but communist. They did damage to Labour at a time they should have been attacking Thatcher. Labour should be a party for ordinary working people and has moved too much to the right. However militant with their communist outlook had no place in a socialist party.

[MrLovethelife]

@UDSS We now have Labour Representation Committee, Socialism is building up within Labour again its only a matter of time before we can democratically reshape Labour into a fighting working class party.

[roadend78]

lord kinnock what a rat.

[SkullOfYorick]

1:01 Just noticed Peter Hitchens, no doubt when he was still an atheist Trotskyist!

[jimmbo13]

@SkullOfYorick He was a journalist...hardly shows his political beliefs

[AnarchicJ]

@SkullOfYorick

I thought it looked like Christopher Hitchens not his brother Peter. Could be wrong.

[simontherabbit]

Militant lives on! Anyone who is sympathetic to the Militant should check out the Campaign for a New Workers Party (CNWP) and the Socialist Party. There is also a remnant of Militant operating within the Labour Party as Socialist Alternative I think.

[bripat22]

Militant was helping to destroy the Labour Party. Good to see Gwen Dunwoody in this clip. She was one who fought the most against the hard left

[PsychoPunk1965]

As an American that happens to be a democratic socialist (or a radical left wing social democrat), the economic reforms of Prime Minister Clement Attlee's post war government from 1945-1951 and the expansion of civil liberties and furthering of economic reforms by Prime Minister Harold Wilson's government 91964-1970) was what influenced me to become a socialist in the first place. I am mixed on the Liverpool 47. I disagree with their Trotskyism but respect them for telling Thatcher to shove it.

[robg71]

'New Labour' Champagne socialists !

[cmsobota]

History clearly demonstrates that Miltant broke every rule in the book!!! Didn't have the balls to stand by their own manifesto, infiltrate Labour, get elected by the back door, a disgrace... Well done Neil!!!

[yohaneuano4]

@cmsobota They did not - I suggest you read Eric Heffer's Labour's Future. They were closer in sticking to the party manifesto than the leadership was. Most of them were long-term members. Labour is supposed to have a federalized structure. Kinnock et. al (and by implication the Labour from then on) became, like every other political party, simply the administrative front of the capitalist class.

[cmsobota]

@yohaneuano4 Sorry as a card carrying member of the labour party and member of my local GMC I was refused entry on a number of times to so called 'labour party meetings' run by the tendancy.. A bunch of a,,,,,,,s, champagne socialists, that's rich from the followers of DEGGSY

[cmsobota]

@yohaneuano4

Well Eric's book would be clearly unbiased.. Miltant members were mostly long term party members, well that was certainly not my experience between 1978 and 1982.. A party within a party!! Militant meetings held that barred card carrying labour party members, used the press to undermine genuine social democracy at grass roots level.. Miltant don't make me laugh, best Tory convassing going!!!!

[MrRedFredSaid]

Awesome. Way to go, Liverpool. I loved that city. Mostly because of the people. They were so down to earth, friendy and warm. No offense to the rest of the UK, but it's not what I found in other cities in Britain.

[cmsobota]

@MrRedFredSaidI would suggest that you travel my friend... Liverpool just makes me think of a massive chip!!!!

[roadend78]

kinnock new world order made your money cant beat them join them .

[neosoc]

A shame we didn't have Marxists like these in the U.S.

[3xtob]

Socialist hypocrites! Disgusting traitors.

[spuddy83]

@3xtob Who were the traitors? Militant had their decree of socialism accepted by the party, Labour were the traitors. Look who we have without them, 'New Labour' Pft!

[postponedlife]

For those who are curious...

The man at 1:08 to 1:26 is the late Eric Heffer, MP

The man at 1:27 to 1:39 is Dennis Skinner, MP

The man at 1:39 to 1:53 is David Blunkett, when he was a young left-wing councilor on the NEC

The woman at 1:53 to 2:03 is Gwyneth Dunwoody, a right-wing MP

The man at 2:42 is Derek Hatton, who was deputy leader of the Liverpool City Council and Militant member

[lucien350]

They created jobs a built more houses than any others in power, also they where loved by Liverpool. Kinnock was the start of what we now call New Labour, shame we still have to vote for them to keep the Torys out.

[southsieed]

pathetic socialist scum

[Minacious]

I want to understand this, but politics is just not my thing. Can anyone kindly go out of their way to explain this video to me?

[bittenof]

it was in the 80s that the madmen in liverpool led by derek hatton brought their militant beliefs to liverpool council which resulted in hundreds of council workers been sacked.hatton was the leader of the council.he now sells luxury homes abroad while kinnock and his family do well out of the eu.2 prime examples of the lie,called socialism.

[steelcityred]

new Labour is what we get when socialism is kick out of the labour party

[PsychoPunk1965]

@steelcityred Many former Trotskyites would become Blairite as well. 

[rb1601]

Lord "EU Gravy Train" Kinnock is the most successful political failure in history.

[eatmypies]

militant built more houses than any local council ever did.The ombubsman in charge of local government,actually stated in a report to thatcher,that the labour council in liverpool have since the request of government.have succeded in not only creating decent housing for the people of liverpool,but to militants credit .have achieved this by creating much needed jobs and have done so within the set budget.

[thatcheritescot]

what a shame labour didnt have the gutts to get rid of brown.

[MarxBakuninMe]

Labour didn't have the balls to fight for their party's traditional principles and modified them instead so they could win votes. Look where that selfish attitude got us, eh? Spin doctors and huge expenses claims.

[aaanonymoussss]

The newsreader looks quite fit in a retro kind of way.

[Raylufc]

Militant was the best in Labour

[bobzilla211]

people who dismiss militant are right that they were naive, and that they did a lot of damage to labour. they probably helped push the party to the right, giving the leaders the excuse for a witch hunt and a right turn.

that said, look at labour now. they would be seen as fascists back in the 80s. militant was the democratic socialist side of the party, as oppose to the social democratic side, which turned out to take the party further to the right than the tories.

[bripat22]

were Militant truly DEMOCRATIC socialists or authoritarian in many of their methods? I agree with you about Blairism but we can't romanticise much of the hard left.

[bobzilla211]

i think its fair to describe them as democratic, when people voted them in it was obvious what they were. labour used union block votes to crush them when they tried to register to remain in the party but they had the grassroots labour support at the time. don't forget they had a lot of support in liverpool, where the city council was already pretty left wing.

the way i see it, militant were not communists, they were socialists. they wanted to work within british democracy not throw it out.

[Myndir]

If they weren't communists, that would be news to them, considering they were Trotskyite.

They represented an interesting approach to politics: "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine as well. What you have, you have stolen from ME."

[southsieed]

Thats the central message of communism is it not

[No1barney1]

bobz understand your point. At the time I was annoyed because I was desperate to get Labour in. Truth is the party was split between right (New Lab) and left (Benn, militant). The damage done to Lab byShirley Williams, Lords Owen&Jenkins & traitors who set up the SDP confused public opinion & lost Lab votes in next election. this point is overlooked. After that the right wing pink tories took over paving the way for NewLab & changing rules How conference decided policy No control over MP's

[terencematthew]

Load of rubbish! their has been a D, notice slapped on Liverpool! for years now!BNP only way forward!out of E/U- trillions upon trillions stolen in taxes over60yrs, not a penny put back into our manufactring /industry!We are in a class war!upper class!lib/lab/con/against the working man theBNP!

[LastOfTheDiehards]

the reason liverpool was bankrupt/close to bankrupt was not because of militants socialist ideas but because of thatchers capitalist ones. lets think about it for one second, do you really think that under a real socialist system where everything is democratically accountable (including public services) & funding wouldnt be an issue that wed have this problem.

[CULAVE]

Labour and Kinnock were right for desposing of these communist nuts.

[LastOfTheDiehards]

It was by having real lefties in labour, that the fight for socialism was to be kept somewhat alive

[CULAVE]

LastOfTheDiehards- were militant electable (and I mean on national level not just red Liverpool)? This is the problem with the hard left; you apparently cannot accept that to really make significant national change a party has to be in government. With militant in its wings, Labour could not get elected- its allmost like you choose to be on the fringe of politics.

[imangrynow]

Even Blair said power without principle is baron, how principled is it to kick out your own hard working councillors, or not support the miners as a sap to middle-England?!

[CULAVE]

imangrynow- well has the reporter got it wrong when she says Liverpool was close to bankruptcy under militant? In regards to Blairism, I agree it was a definite move away from socialism.

[imangrynow]

Blairism was, in my view, far more anti-democratic socialist than Militant. If you have ambitious housing plans etc of course you deplete your finances, the great thing about Hatton was he never just sat on money - he used it to help the people which is what it was for. Besides Liverpool was under permentant attack from the Thatcher government.

[rfitzhen]

You have hit the nail on the head. Militant was a cancer on the Labour Party's soul.

[CULAVE]

rfitzhen- cheers*

[LastOfTheDiehards]

Was Militant active just in Liverpool? I know its the Socialist Party of England and Wales these days.

[Edenglaender]

What a sham that was. Now its fu*ked up bigtime!!

I have never ever known the country to feel so..well..frankly, depressed.

It took decades for the British to trust Labour again, and even then it was with a big NEW to reinforce the point - Surley they have written themselves off forever after this disaster.

Labour= Black vs White

Man vs Woman

Young vs Old

Rich vs Poor

Rural Vs Urban

Left vs Right etc etc

It would have been virtulaly impossible to have divided the land further.

[bripat22]

Mrs Thatcher started the precess of division-her admirers within New Labour (which is not the ordinary people within Labour) imitated her

[jjdavies66]

but they have made clearer the failings of the capitalist system and now they have partially nationalized four of the main banks it will bring working class people together in their distrust of the whole system, leading to an increased interest in socialism as an alternative.

[shinesilently]

A record of a historic turning point. This was the first key step on the path to Labour's recovery and the successes of 1997 onwards.

[MarxBakuninMe]

And it came with the abandonment of socialism. But hey, now they receive massive donations from millionaires. Fuck 'em.

[Ianpbx]

This conversation demonstrates the problem with the hard Left. You can't think for yourselves, you are constantly trying to frame your arguments to fall in line with Lenin, Marx and even Trotsky. It's like Denis Skinner said: "I don't need Karl Marx to tell me what's right and wrong." It was always like this when I was sitting in Labour Young Socialist meetings where the tosspot factions were like religious zealots trying to prove who was the best adherent of Lenin. All a load of headbangers.

[imangrynow]

I'd describe myself as hard left but not far left i tend to agree with Tony Benn and would call myself a Bennite - but i also have a lot of time for the likes of Derek Hatton. I disagree with the undemocratic element of the far left but i support their right to hold those views. The witch hunt was totally wrong.

[LastOfTheDiehards]

The term 'democratic' itself is disputed, but as far as the far left goes its more democratic than the Labour Party where the PLP holds the real power and can over rule pretty much anything it wants at Conference.

[imangrynow]

I actually agree re conference but the statements that imply that after a socialist system is set up non-one will ever again want to vote, whilst i believe in a vast majority of cases this would be true, do not help. People should always have the option. Having said that i have a lot of sympathy with leading Militants & feel they were treated appaulingly.

[LastOfTheDiehards]

A true socialist system would require people to vote through workers' councils where it is the workers who run the workplaces through electing representatives, as is done to elect MPs.

[imangrynow]

Well i'm afraid that i do have an issue with that system, i am a firm believer in subsidiarity but there must be some kind of national body over-seeing foreign policy etc, which would require general elections.

[LastOfTheDiehards]

Which at the moment we don't have as the Royal Prerogative means that the PM (in the name of the monarch), and not Government or Parliament has any say as to whether we go to war. Foreign policy, though Miliband may be the Foreign Minister, effectively the PM has always acted through his powers as foreign minister & head of state/government.

[imangrynow]

But a PM can be removed by a coup in his/her Parliamentary Party which is elected & has to be elected my his/her Party in the 1st place. I do believe that general elections are necessary.

[LastOfTheDiehards]

Well no because the PM is derived from Parliament, not from the largest party. The only reason Gordon Brown is PM is not because the people chose him but because of convention. If she wanted, the Queen could dispose of him tomorrow and appoint Alex Salmond or Nick Clegg as the PM. No, we need General Elections but only to allocate services and through proportional representation afterall FPTP means we nearly always have a weak opposition to the government. Workers councils on a day to day basis.

[imangrynow]

Well the Queen only technically has that power as she knows she'd be forcibly removed were she to abuse her power like that (as she should be anyway). I disagree over PR as it would always favour the, ironically less popular, wooly centre ground Parties like the Libdems, who would always be in government. The concessus that the PM should be the leader of the largest Party in the Commons is now so well established i don't expect it to be challenged.

[LastOfTheDiehards]

I've got to disagree that PR would only favour the LibDems. If anything it would open up our democracy and encourage the electorate to vote for a real alternative. It is no longer the case that people can argue that PR allows fascists into power as it was under a FPTP system that the Nazi BNP got 9 councillors. No, as the vast majority of the population is working class surely it would benefit the real socialist parties, that is unless big business buys up the votes as they have done with Labour

[imangrynow]

Sorry can't agree there the Liberals have a lot of supporters v widely dispersed but even more people who loath many of their policies they would get undeserved prominance & that would be undemocratic!

[LastOfTheDiehards]

I'd argue the Liberal don't have high support, as though they carry a high percentage of the vote this does not mean they have support. Afterall, you could argue that about a third of the population support the Labour government when in fact, it's probably a lot less than even that. Looking at the rise in trade unionism in the last year and many people advocating a more state led economy you could actually argue that the present day Militant, the Socialist Party has wide support.

[imangrynow]

I have to disagree again, many trade unionists are die hard Labour & wouldn't vote anything else. As for the Liberals, they have a highish % of the vote and thus would i'm sure always be in government under PR, and given undue prominence.

[LastOfTheDiehards]

Yes your right many trade unionists are diehard Labour. BUT of course you forget they support the policies of the Labour left (Socialist policies) whilst fighting the Labour right. Many trade unionists at the same time though they support traditional Labour, support CNWP.

If we are to assume that the Liberals would always be in government its more likely that a new party would actually emerge consisting of the Liberals, of New Labour and of the Tory wets taking up the so called centre ground.

[imangrynow]

I don't forget as most of them wish to remain within the "mainstream" Labour movement and, whilst they may hold more radical views themselves, will support the official Labour Party.

I don't believe that a new Party would emerges as coalitions by their very nature encourage cooperation so the wet liberal moderates from all sides would feel able to stay astensably loyal to their original "brand" whilst actually voting etc similiarly.

[rfitzhen]

The so-called witch hunt as you like to call it was a necessary one because of Trotskyite nutters like Hatton was destroying the Labour Party.

[imangrynow]

I disagree their views are no more incompatable with democratic socialism than Tony Blair's.

[boredreiver]

The newsreader is pretty fit!

[damidob]

The irony is that, having remained a loser all his life at general election level, Kinnock went on to line his pockets very nicely in Brussels.

I'd rather have Militant than the wastrels of the European Union.

[Ianpbx]

Kinnock was just following orders from the Illuminate. His reward was to continue their bidding at the EU and fill his (and his wife's) pockets at the same time.

[majorMcpharter]

Neil kinnock and the pro capitalist labour party are the real maggots.

[theheathyfella]

Millitant where thugs.

They would go round to building sites and workplaces and just intimidate people into voting for them.

They where horrible bastards.

[Bouhezz]

Long live democratic party-structures

Long live democratic socialism

Long live mass movements

Long live revolutionary socialism

Long live socialist militant activities

Long live the Socialist Party

Long live the CWI

[sean1980be]

Oh you mean those guys who destroyed Militant?

[Edenglaender]

Well done "NEW" Labour! after a decade or so of your incompetence, The British have now become the American "style" degenerate infidels who we always used to despise so much.

I have lost ALL respect for the spinless inbreed idiots on that filthy island for putting up with you.

They must be fucking sheep.

[majorMcpharter]

Only sheep need bogus sheperds like the labour party.Blair and brown both invited Lady Thatcher to no10 for a cosy chat and a cup of tea.

[bleo34]

These wankers ruined our fine city.

[bigscolari]

That lady news caster is extremely beautiful.

[Bouhezz]

People who think that a NEW party is nessesary, who join in broader parties, like Die Linke in Germanie are sectarians. People who per definition think that you have to join in a party when it has the name "socialist" or "labour" are not sectarian? Catch the logic, I don't think Lenin meant it that way

[sean1980be]

No, not at all. The situation differs from country to country. In Germany Die Linke is a fusion between 2 *existing* parties that have been built up during the years, and on which the working class counts and turns to. The working class turns to a party they know, not to some self-proclaimed revolutionary party with no basis in the working class whatsoever. That's why we are still in the Labour party, and that's why *everything else* fails. That's what Lenin is talking about.

[nonameposter]

No, no that is the wrong way, even if Lenin may have supported that. An autark organisation working in a party/organisation is destroying that organisations democracy. there are many examples of these destructive conflicts with little trotsky groups in socialdemocrat parties. (Linksruck in germany; funke in austria and so on)

[LastOfTheDiehards]

Lenin said that Marxists should fight through Labour & social democratic parties.

[TroyaE117]

I wish Militant would join the Labour Party again. All that Trotskyite drivel mixed with Gordon Brown's tax and spend and they'd all be out.

Please re-join.

Militant In, Militant In !!!

[Nitenichiryu]

Have you studied marxism? I doubt it

[majorMcpharter]

A genuine socialist would not touch the labour party with a barge pole.

[sean1980be]

Lenin disagrees.

[sean1980be]

I suggest reading Lenin on left-wing sectarians. Maybe Taaffe's 'socialist' party of 2 men and a dog might learn something from it.

I think it's scandalous that the CWI keeps bragging about Militant, while they were actually the ones that destroyed it. Face it guys, the only real success you ever had was... when you were in the Labour Party!

[Bouhezz]

People who think that a NEW party is nessesary, who join in broader parties, like Die Linke in Germanie are sectarians. People who per definition think that you have to join in a party when it has the name "socialist" or "labour" are not sectarian? Catch the logic, I don't think Lenin meant it that way

[sean1980be]

Further on: Needless to say, the only success Militant had was BECAUSE it was working in Labour and not outside of it. When CWI talks about success, they always talk about Militant and Liverpool, silently forgetting that they were the ones who thought a NEW Party was needed to capitalize success. It obviously failed miserably and the move ruined years of hard work in a minute. 20 years of 'flying the flag high' did not, not even for one minute, make any difference at all, on the contrary.

[LastOfTheDiehards]

These days a new party is required & it is Militant (or the Socialist Party of England & Wales as they are now known) who are spearheading the ''Campaign for a new workers' party, and are urging the left in Labour to join in, & for the trade unions to leave Labour. I suppose it's only a matter of time before a new left party replaces Labour and fights for socialsm.

[Congest]

Well, I guess we know what became of the "Labour" Party, don't we? They've moved so far to the right that now Gordon Brown is getting chummy with Thatcher. Unable and unwilling to mount any serious challenge to the capitalist status quo, reformist and social-democratic groups like the Labour Party end up embracing the market system. Revolutionary socialism remains the only way forward.

[baddock99]

Then why have you so demonstrably lost W class youth to the knuckle-dragging BNP? And what became of Militant? Its MI5 faction (Pete, Clair, Keith etc...) were obviously instructed to press the "destruct" button and slpit it up rather than see it become a serious challenge to the Blair Gov. Job done!Don't trust your leaders! Including so called socialist ones.

[Socialism4Ever]

That old lady is a classic case of media spindoctoring. Liverpool was a city building socialism so much so that a monk started supporting them. That old lady has pearls and is the worst form of bureaucrat. Ever.

[Socialism4Ever]

Feckin bureaucrats. Long live Militant! Down with sectarianism. Oh, and by the way, death to the Judean People's Front!

[urameshiyaaa]

wsws. org

[user1951account]

They started out criticising Militant for being too left wing. They ended up best buddies with Margaret Thatcher. Makes you think!

[053bss]

Militant weren't Labour, they were arrogant Trotskyites who struggled to impose their own undemocratic political philosophy on the rest of the party, and eventually failed.

[Nitenichiryu]

Undemocratic political philosophy? What are you talking about?

[noteureka]

I wonder if the words "democratic" or "socialism" trip off Gordon Brown's tongue so easily. I wonder how his pal Margaret Thatcher likes democracy or socialism.

[Durbs75]

Well. Here's what that manifesto says

"We will reverse the extra tax cuts which the richest 5 per cent have received from the Tory government and allocate that money instead to the most needy. We will also bring forward other reforms to capital taxation - including the introduction of a wealth tax, which, whilst applying to only the wealthiest one per cent of the population, will, over the years, bring a significant contribution from those in our society best able to pay." Eh?

[Durbs75]

So, Bruckner, why were you so stupid? I cannot imagine why anyone would vote for them in 1987? Maybe because you didn't want to leave NATO and the EEC and reintroduce 33% basic rate tax and 80% higher rate. Or maybe you were pissed..

[bripat22]

i think you are thinking of the 1983 Manifesto not 1987

[florrien]

Kinnock was a clown!! He destroyed the only true represntatives of the working class and then feather-bedded himself into a Euro-bureaucrat job and is now, of course a Peer of the realm. What a class hero!! Evil, evil evil. I hope he's proud of himself the Tory arse-wipe.

[bagzie]

Socialism in a nutshell: You got it and I ain't got it so gimme some.

[MarxBakuninMe]

"Socialism in a nutshell: You got it and I ain't got it so gimme some."

Well you seem like a most learned man. *Sarcasm*

[BrucknerEnthusiast]

This video brings back memories for me. I was a student in Manchester at that time and during the 1987 election campaign I put a Conservative poster in my window. When I awoke the next day I found that overnight Militant had responded by COMPLETELY covering the entire front wall of the house with its own publicity. My landlord was furious. Still, I deserved it. What could be more stupid than wanting to vote Conservative? Sorry guys, we all make mistakes when we're young...

[Pauledinburgh]

Jim, have you seen Dereck Hatton's house or his beamer? No? Well here's his current profile:

"Derek Hatton has had an outstanding changeover from "left wing loony" to a businessman and style guru. Corporate business, conference organizers and celebrity dinners at golf clubs have increasingly used Derek's services including the Top Hole Business Club in the House of Commons.

Derek no longer holds any party political loyalties and his speeches are never political."

[user1951account]

You are saying that Derek Hatton is no longer involved with socialist politics. Plenty of people are. The fact Derek has fallen by the wayside is a small shame but hardly discredits socialism. You can do better than this surely?

[Nitenichiryu]

Get a life!

[luckyjim2]

There was only three labour MPs i respected and they supported the economic programme of the militant newspaper. They were expelled because they campaigned against the poll tax and supported militant. at least they kept their word when they were elected parliament as a workers MP on a workers wage they only took the wage of a skilled worker in their area so they didn't lose touch with ordinary working class people, while other MPs were on £50,000 a year.

[Revolution4ever]

Traitors to the workers' cause. Long live Trotskyism!

[666Aestheticangel666]

Well humanityfirstnow if they were true socalists they would break the BNP!

[humanityfirstnow]

"democratic socialism is on the way in" What-Tony Blair? democratic?! Socialist???!!!

[bripat22]

Remember, this was under Kinnock

[humanityfirstnow]

I do remember, I was for the militant tendency then and was a militant in Liverpool myself.

They were never a threat to democracy, they built houses for the poor. Look at the direction the Labour Party took. They are now a tory party and have been instrumental in building the police state we now live in and a war foreign policy.

[bripat22]

the Militants along with the SDP split brought down Labour's chances of getting back into office. A revolutionary socialist element had no business in a democratic socialist party

[DeHeld8]

Labour democratic socialist?! HA! Revolutionairy Socialism is democracy! The Labour leadership just did not want to get out of favour of the capitalist class!

Long live the Idea's of militiant! Long live the Socialist Party and the Comittee for a Worker's International!

Long live revolutionairy Socialism!

[bripat22]

Good luck living in 1917 :)

[YES72]

Hatton was fuckin usless

[rfitzhen]

He was fucking useless

[lilorooon]

I think Derek Hatton was something we could of done without.