Lower Whitney, Mid- Tie for the most part, Upper Whitney but Celine had her good moments up there too, head I'm not sure gonna give it to Whitney, But I loved some of Celine's as well.
well, whitney´s hightnotes are very painfull to produce and listen as well. She had always horrible habbits and technique. Celine´s are much more healthier.
@IlIlIlIlIlIIl are u joking, whitneys voice is rich and powerful and resonant, celions are strained, EXTREMELY NASAL and most of her belts are supported by her throat !
@gogo4gaga100 yes she has rich, powerful, resonant and everything voice, but her technique sucks and during songs she like to choke her throat extremely (very high larynx). Celine used to be like this as wel but only in early 90s and only like 1 note in song, but Whitney has maybe 5 moment during song. As well Celine speaking voice is way more nasal, than her singing voice. It´s cause by "french" tongue position, it´s ordinary for french singer.
Whitney wins. She is the superior singer/vocalist to Celine all day long. Celine is perhaps a better fraud. When Celine can pull of half the shit that Whitney's vocals were able to do during her "Tribute to the Troops" concert, then I MAY reconsider my position on this comparison. I mean, they're both talented women, but Whitney schools Celine in terms of vocal ability.
@MultiAundrey I think lipper award goes to Brittany Spears, yes Celine has lipped, but all of these are 100% live and she doesn't lipp everything when she sings live her voice sounds amazing especially right now her voice is better then it's been in over a decade.
Whitney wins, hands down. Never have I seen a voice quite like Whitney's. The power, the control and the gospel-influenced tone she possesses. And not many people believe this, but during Whitney's early years (late 80's), she had a 5 octave vocal range! Yes, she definitely did. Mariah is not the only one who possesses something like that!
I don't have to know Whitney to know her personality is a turn off. It's clear from watching her on her reality show, and all the interviews she does, the overall way she acts is just really crude and rude kind of like how Roseanne Barr was in the late 80's and early 90's. It doesn't have anything to do with vocal ability, I just said they are both incredible talents, I just don't like mean people. I still like Whitney's music though, I'm listening to her now actually.
@jimTNW The thing is, you kind of do... To judge someone's entire personality based off of a small number of interviews that individual gave that you may have recently watched, is simply ignorant, judgemental and pompous. Watch ANY of the *multiple* interviews Whitney had over the years on the Arsenio Hall show for example, they contradict everything you have just said. You do realise that for the past 15 years, Whitney has been an unstable drug addict in a physically abusive marriage, right?
@jimTNW I'm a 16-year-old boy, so as you'll have already guessed I'm none of those things. I don't ENJOY arguing with anybody, it's just, I have a problem with human beings who judge the personalities of individuals that they have never even MET before. Surely you can't have much of a social life? Judging people before you've even met them? Hell, you judged ME in your last comment LOL.
@jimTNW Maybe she was in the state of mind you are describing because of the personal problems she has been enduring since the early 90's, that Celine has NEVER had to experience in her life. Maybe if Celine had a drug addiction and was in an abusive marriage (both of which were highly publicised due to the media) like WHITNEY was, she wouldn't be so peachy keen in her interviews, either? And what kind of relevancy does the personalities of the two women in this video have TO the video, anyway?
I don't know why people feel the need to say Celine wins or Whitney is better...etc... They're both great in they're own right. It's waste of time for people to compare them or put them against each other, because most music enthusiasts probably listen to both of them with a great amount of joy, which is the beautiful thing about music as an art, its beautiful in many forms. :-)
@steph2buysell That comment didn't make any sense...AT ALL...and not many black need to watch this to know that Whitney does EVERYTHING better than Celine VOCALLY...it's a fact...not an opinion.... failed troll... #LOL
I was once a HUGE Celine Dion fan. But when I started watching Chimier's videos, I finally knew how great Whitney and Mariah really were. And how (in their prime) they never lipped. Celine did (ALOT) Admit it Celiniacs...
I'll never understand why Celine holds her mic the way she does at 7:30 or 4:17 or 4:45... Celine we want to hear you full on!!! Or..some of us do ;) The camera work and note for Whitney at 6:30 was beautiful...
@bconsitt Me too. I always thought it was a register and it REQUIRED a technique to be able to be utilized effectively, but as always, TwinPat90, with his lack of musical and vocal knowledge, proved us wrong!
I absolutely loved Celine's note at 7:12. She used to have an edginess to her voice in the early and mid 90s, which a lot of critics pointed out and praised her for. I wish she used it more often, like she did in "The Reason" and "Think Twice."
@turbomeanmachine lmao...she's not better...basically Celine's competition is belting and we all know in the mid register no one can play with Whit! No one! HAHAAHA!!!
@Chimier Those weren't words... No one can understand that...all one gets out of that is "you". The rest sounds like engine trouble. Yes, it did sound more strained. I can hardly see the logic in your optimism when you say it's not. And you have one time she growled? Care to give a specific time in a video?
@PsuedoSenator You can't understand that, everyone else can. "Oh, you are a wonderful...." are words. And unlike Celine, she didn't peak at it, she sang it.
You can't see the logic because you don't know, just like you didn't know the time signature of It's a Man's World, yet made a comment on "off timing", or just like how you mention phrasing yet have absolutely no idea what it is. In fact, a few months before, you thought Celine's G5 was growled. LOL everything you say is so backwards.
@PsuedoSenator Um, no it didn't, idiot. Either you need new ears or a new brain. If it was more squeezed than Celine's G5, she wouldn't have been able to sing words...like Celine. Do you know think before you speak or do you just type in foolishness?
@Chimier It's not a "strain." It was a vocal technique that she used in the early and mid 90s, till around 1997. It's fine if you don't like it, but it isn't a reflection of bad vocal usage, or whatever you may call it. Music critics lauded her for it, and she used it a lot in her French-language material.
@TwinPat90 And what vocal technique was that? Please explain? What kind of placement did it take? What about her soft and hard palate? The breath support needed for it? The laryngeal position? Please tell me the "vocal technique" Celine used.
@Chimier I'm not an Otolaryngologist, and I highly doubt you are either, or you wouldn't be asking such trivial questions. Why do you always have to get so rude and defensive? I can tell you the (reputable) music critics who cited this on her, but I doubt it'll make any difference in your mind.
@TwinPat90 I wasn't being rude or defensive, just asking a question. They're hardly trivial. They are essential to vocal technique. It seems that you don't know the difference between vocal STYLE and vocal TECHNIQUE.
Music critics? That's irrelevant. Unless they're ALL learned in music and singing, as opposed to just journalism, then it doesn't matter what they praised her on. Music critics have the ability to write, not necessarily the knowledge to critique what they write about.
@Chimier You're being pedantic, and arguing semantics. You know exactly what I am talking about, and the fact that you intend to dissect and distort wording that is extremely easy to comprehend only exacerbates your real intention of trying to defend your position as some who will stop at nothing to diminsh Celine in any aspect available. It gets trying with you, and I keep asking myself "why bother?"
@TwinPat90 Um...no. You said VOCAL TECHNIQUE. Vocal technique refers to how well PRODUCED the sound is (resonance, breath support, placement etc.). If you say that Celine was using a vocal technique, then you should back it up. Simple. If you don't KNOW, then don't act like you do.
I didn't say ANYTHING about Celine, so where did I diminish her?
@TwinPat90 I can cite music critics calling melisma a vocal technique, but they're WRONG. It's a vocal style, not technique, so music critics are irrelevant. As I said, explain Celine's vocal technique when she produced that note. Everytime I've asked you a question specifically pertaining to music or vocals, you've NEVER answered. Why? You don't know. You tried to correct me, was incorrect yourself, got called out on it and you're mad. Simple.
@Chimier It takes two to tango, buddy. Just because you don't understand that Celine uses an array of vocal styles and techniques (just like Mariah's uses her "whistle register") doesn't mean I am "wrong." Also, for you to say that music critics, who make a lifelong profession out of this stuff, are "wrong" just showcases your pretentiousness that much more.
@TwinPat90 Um, no. I understand PERFECTLY, which is why I can talk about vocal technique. What Celine is doing is NOTHING like whistle register. It's not a vocal technique at all, no matter how much you claim it is. As I said, you should be able to back it up with knowledge on the stuff...that is, if you have any, which you obviously don't because you haven't said ONE thing about the voice or vocal technique to prove it.
@TwinPat90 Styles and techniques are NOT the same thing.
Music critics make a lifelong profession on judging music. It doesn't mean they known anything about music theory, composition, or vocal pedagogy. Most of them are learned in JOURNALISM, not the aspects of MUSIC and SINGING, therefore you citing them as "proof" is IRRELEVANT. Before you start using people as a point of reference, make sure you actually know what they do.
@TwinPat90 And yes, you are wrong. It's strain. Her larynx is up, it's not a supported sound, it's thin, no resonance, all the way in the throat and she can barely get up to the note. Celine is straining. Simple.
@TwinPat90 You don't have to be an otolaryngologist, but you said it was a vocal TECHNIQUE. Thus, you should be able to answer the questions. But as I said, you were confusing style and technique. T
@bconsitt She growled a rather good F5 in a 1994 performance of River Deep, Mountain High. It wasn't really powerful (her voice has never had much body to it), but it wasn't strained either. Just growled.
Whitney. Her voice was everything a female voice should be, hence her almost universal recognition as the greatest voice modern music and popular culture as a whole has heard. I respect Celine, her accomplishments/awards and her overall vocals, but the whole point of Whitney's prime being such a factor in comparisons featuring her and other worldwide famous singers, is that Whitney's prime enabled her voice to reach tones and musically brilliant heights never before seen and never duplicated.
@CDionLive Yeah, she's been mixing for a long time. She even mixed these really tiny G#5 chirps in a performance of Love Can Move Mountains in Chicago. Funny thing is I prefer it to that offkey yelp she did in the performance of The Reason on the National Lottery Show. Had I known about those G#5s before, I would have used them in the Whitney vs Celine video. Oh well...perhaps I'll use them in the Whitney vs. Celine (Then and Now) video
@gaylolful Don't call me honey. And commenting on a Youtube video is not playing any kind of game of life. That was strained...now it could've been much more strained, but it was still strained. On THAT day, that was a hard note for her to hit. She can certainly hit the note with force and clarity, but don't be in denial. Fact is, that sounded more strained than Celine's G5. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I called that note a growl now would you.
@elrynx2 No, it wasn't strained. It was growled. Two different things. Celine's was strained. Whitney SANG her note, Celine hit for a split second. Big difference.
@elrynx2 Celine's was strained. She pulled her neck up because her larynx was too high and she dropped down from the note immediately after she hit it. THAT G5 was strained, not Whitney's F#5. Hell, Celine had to push like hell for both her F#5s, Whitney sang them with much better production.
@Chimier They were both strained. And I'm sure you'd like to note that Celine was already phrasing quite highly in chest before she did her first F#5. Whitney SANG her G5 "what else can I do"... To call what she's doing on the note I brought up singing is taking liberties. I'm simply saying they were both strained. I'm not trying to make a broader point. Also: Are you using the same head notes for Celine in the Mariah v. Celine vid.
@elrynx2 It is singing. If she sustains it while forming WORDS in it, she's singing it. Celine HIT the F#, Whitney sang the F#. Same goes for the G5 and G#5 notes.
Words? Word singular...if you call uhh--yeaah--bobobo. Also, Celine rarely sings a note over a phrase. No matter what pitch. Well, I had a head note I want to contribute.
@elrynx2 She didn't say "uhhh yeahhh bobobo", she sang "ohhhhhhh, YOU ARE a WONDERFUL..."
Celine rarely does it because she can't do it well. That's why she hits the note for a second, forcing like hell, and drops to a lower note immediately, or she just screams. She's never really phrased well above E5. And even anything above D5 is a struggle for her to sing. She can hold them, but singing words in them is an entirely different matter.
@Chimier Don't tell me the words she was attempting, it will only make me think less of that note. Her poor phrasing only goes more toward the point that it was strained. Show me her even trying to growl. It's not in her, stylistically. If it was in RDMH, it was mostly likely strain.
@elrynx2 She wasn't attempting, she was accomplishing.
Stop talking about phrasing, because you obviously have no idea what that is.
You just prove time and time again that your ear is just really bad.
You don't even know what song she's singing, thus how will you really know what she's saying, especially when the note is growled? On top of that, you don't know anything about vocal technique or singing. You just post words that you're oblivious to.
@elrynx2 It's not in her stylistically? Whitney has a gospel-based musical background. Growling, throaty swooping and inflections were African in origin and came and made their way into African-American music during the time of the slave trade. LOL do you know anything?
There are many instances of Whitney growling. Hell, go and listen to I Wanna Dance with Somebody. She growls in that song.
Celine's F5s before the growl in RDMH were strained, the growl itself was not.
@elrynx2 Whitney Growled...LOL do you really think Chimier would put a clip of Whitney messing up that much? If it wasn't growled that's pretty bad...BUT since it was it was good...I'm not in denial sweety....just face the facts...do you even know what a growl is? Apparently not...no offense...
@Chimier "With Celine, I have no choice" LOL...your right on that one! It's a fact(not an opinion at this point!) That she strains much more than Whitney....not saying she's bad at singing...but I'd rather have Whitney voice than Celine's...lets be honest here! She's just more skilled! hehehehe
@gaylolful Way more. Now I did try to make it equal, which is why I didn't use ALL of Whitney's best, but she still slayed (I know I shouldn't say that seeing as I made the vid lol).
@Chimier They don't call her THE VOICE for no reason...no room fro another(with exceptions lol)....she just got slammed I actually feel sorry for the poorthing :p
@WhitneyElizabethH lmao...funny person...You know what I hate? I hate it when there's always that one person to bash Whitney on a video(although I've bashed someone and you know who lol) why can't they leave her alone!
@gaylolful You're right, it was a growl. Whitney, Mariah, Aretha, Patti, Natalie, they can all SING those notes and growl them at the same time. Celine can kinda do it (up to a certain point), but nowhere near as well.
Is there going to be a Mariah VS Whitney (Then & Now) video (since you're making one for Whitney & Celine...and already made one for Mariah & Celine)?
@KyoHanjin Yep, but that depends on Whitney. I need more high notes from her now lol. I already found a G5 belted from her this year, but I need more. I need a G#5 belted and G5-C6 head to make the videos.
Right now, I'm working on some new videos that are completely unrelated, so you (and I) are gonna have to wait a while until those "Then and Now" vids come to fruition :)
@Chimier I have two questions....what is that guy talking about when he said they recorded live from the back or something? And where can I find Whitney singing Greatest love of all? In this clip of course... :) Sorry to bother your kind heart lol..
@Chimier Wait what? lololol...she's singing Chestnuts...you know The Christmas Song....what did I send you? I meant to send you Whitney singing Chestnuts...what note is she hitting at 1:55? Her mom isn't even their???? I'm confused...
@CDionLive That's true, but in terms of the concept of this video, had to stick to the guidelines. Whitney held 20 second notes just this past June on tour, but what would be the point of me including them on this video lol? Her lower range has also improved significantly, but I wouldn't have added any low notes post-1994 in this vid, because they weren't in her prime.
Anyway, what did you think of the video as a whole?
@CDionLive I know that, but as you told me, her prime was in the years 1991-1999, so I couldn't add them even if I wanted to (well I could, but then it would kinda defeat the purpose of this vid, don't you think lol?)
Anyone know the pitch of Whitney's longest note at the end?
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My heart will go on and on with you CELINE!!!!
I will always love you, WHITNEY! May you rest in peace...
rhyane28 2 days ago
Whitney is better by miles
patipatou79 6 days ago
CELINE FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
woodenheadx 3 weeks ago
Celine hits, Whitney sings. End!!!!
iloveabba91 1 month ago
I have not ever heard sweet voice like Celine's!
iraklitushishvili 1 month ago
Lower Whitney, Mid- Tie for the most part, Upper Whitney but Celine had her good moments up there too, head I'm not sure gonna give it to Whitney, But I loved some of Celine's as well.
christopherducati 1 month ago
@chimier can you please tell what perfomance did you get whitney's first F#5 from??? i never heard it before
MrSoulshock44 1 month ago in playlist Vocal Prime Comparisons
@MrSoulshock44 Wonderful Counselor in Sendai, Japan 1990
Chimier 1 month ago
y'all are mean lol yes whitney SLAYS! but i happen to enjoy most of celine's belting notes on this video
MrSoulshock44 1 month ago in playlist Vocal Prime Comparisons
well, whitney´s hightnotes are very painfull to produce and listen as well. She had always horrible habbits and technique. Celine´s are much more healthier.
IlIlIlIlIlIIl 2 months ago
@IlIlIlIlIlIIl are u joking, whitneys voice is rich and powerful and resonant, celions are strained, EXTREMELY NASAL and most of her belts are supported by her throat !
gogo4gaga100 1 month ago
@gogo4gaga100 yes she has rich, powerful, resonant and everything voice, but her technique sucks and during songs she like to choke her throat extremely (very high larynx). Celine used to be like this as wel but only in early 90s and only like 1 note in song, but Whitney has maybe 5 moment during song. As well Celine speaking voice is way more nasal, than her singing voice. It´s cause by "french" tongue position, it´s ordinary for french singer.
IlIlIlIlIlIIl 1 month ago
@IlIlIlIlIlIIl High laurynx? You heard from waht source? Hater will hate hahaha
iloveabba91 2 weeks ago
@IlIlIlIlIlIIl 100 percent true!!!
iraklitushishvili 1 month ago
What years do you consider to be their primes?
survivorcow713 2 months ago
Whitney will always be 'The Voice'
Raoulirshan 3 months ago
Whitney kills Celine on every note! Celine's lower register is perhaps the ugliest lower range I have ever heard!
musicisunityandlove 3 months ago 2
Actually celine dions longest note is 20 seconds long in what a wonderful world in las vegas:)
congrats2014 3 months ago
@congrats2014 That's not considered in her "prime", which is the context of the video.
elrynx2 2 months ago
When did Whitney's prime end ?
IloveArethaFranklin 4 months ago in playlist More videos from Chimier
Whitney wins. She is the superior singer/vocalist to Celine all day long. Celine is perhaps a better fraud. When Celine can pull of half the shit that Whitney's vocals were able to do during her "Tribute to the Troops" concert, then I MAY reconsider my position on this comparison. I mean, they're both talented women, but Whitney schools Celine in terms of vocal ability.
ManOfBamboo 4 months ago 2
Whitney slays on every note and on every single aspect.
Stefano94x 5 months ago 2
Whitney wins, no doubt.
TheShutupsucker 6 months ago 3
both legendary but i prefer celine more... ;)
rhyane28 6 months ago
whitney vs best lipper of all time
MultiAundrey 6 months ago
@MultiAundrey I think lipper award goes to Brittany Spears, yes Celine has lipped, but all of these are 100% live and she doesn't lipp everything when she sings live her voice sounds amazing especially right now her voice is better then it's been in over a decade.
christopherducati 1 month ago
absolutely whitney...
aNdReW16944ever 6 months ago 3
you can feel celines song in your heart.. but whitney singin' touches your soul. . .
louie200353 7 months ago
Whitney wins, hands down. Never have I seen a voice quite like Whitney's. The power, the control and the gospel-influenced tone she possesses. And not many people believe this, but during Whitney's early years (late 80's), she had a 5 octave vocal range! Yes, she definitely did. Mariah is not the only one who possesses something like that!
SilverShadowMusic 8 months ago 3
Whitney wins
No one compare with THe Voice.
umBRITe 8 months ago
Whitney wins
umBRITe 8 months ago
the GLOA performance at 6:08, where's it from? I've never seen it before! :)
siempre2904 8 months ago
Both Celine and Whitney are incredible talents, though as a person I like Celine more, she's sweeter.
jimTNW 9 months ago
@jimTNW I'm sorry, do you KNOW Whitney Houston? And what does personality (of which you know nothing about Whitney's) have to do with vocal ability?
ManOfBamboo 8 months ago
@ManOfBamboo
I don't have to know Whitney to know her personality is a turn off. It's clear from watching her on her reality show, and all the interviews she does, the overall way she acts is just really crude and rude kind of like how Roseanne Barr was in the late 80's and early 90's. It doesn't have anything to do with vocal ability, I just said they are both incredible talents, I just don't like mean people. I still like Whitney's music though, I'm listening to her now actually.
jimTNW 8 months ago
@jimTNW The thing is, you kind of do... To judge someone's entire personality based off of a small number of interviews that individual gave that you may have recently watched, is simply ignorant, judgemental and pompous. Watch ANY of the *multiple* interviews Whitney had over the years on the Arsenio Hall show for example, they contradict everything you have just said. You do realise that for the past 15 years, Whitney has been an unstable drug addict in a physically abusive marriage, right?
ManOfBamboo 8 months ago
@ManOfBamboo
Geez you love to argue don't you, are you by any chance a lawyer by trade, or perhaps a debate professor?
jimTNW 8 months ago
@jimTNW I'm a 16-year-old boy, so as you'll have already guessed I'm none of those things. I don't ENJOY arguing with anybody, it's just, I have a problem with human beings who judge the personalities of individuals that they have never even MET before. Surely you can't have much of a social life? Judging people before you've even met them? Hell, you judged ME in your last comment LOL.
ManOfBamboo 8 months ago
@jimTNW Maybe she was in the state of mind you are describing because of the personal problems she has been enduring since the early 90's, that Celine has NEVER had to experience in her life. Maybe if Celine had a drug addiction and was in an abusive marriage (both of which were highly publicised due to the media) like WHITNEY was, she wouldn't be so peachy keen in her interviews, either? And what kind of relevancy does the personalities of the two women in this video have TO the video, anyway?
ManOfBamboo 8 months ago
That Eb5 at 07:23 is PURE PERFECTION!
KyoHanjin 9 months ago
I don't know why people feel the need to say Celine wins or Whitney is better...etc... They're both great in they're own right. It's waste of time for people to compare them or put them against each other, because most music enthusiasts probably listen to both of them with a great amount of joy, which is the beautiful thing about music as an art, its beautiful in many forms. :-)
MrGclef1183 10 months ago
Both are AMAZING!
:O
aez58 10 months ago
Where have you gone Mr magic....
gaylolful 10 months ago
Stupid video. I'm not in need of choosing. I love both them
alan30200 10 months ago 5
@alan30200 If it's stupid, then don't comment. Bye.
Chimier 10 months ago 2
love both of them . but love Celine More !
dexer2009 11 months ago
Celine Wins Becuase Not Many Black People Watch This Video HAHAHAHA
steph2buysell 1 year ago
@steph2buysell That comment didn't make any sense...AT ALL...and not many black need to watch this to know that Whitney does EVERYTHING better than Celine VOCALLY...it's a fact...not an opinion.... failed troll... #LOL
gaylolful 11 months ago
@steph2buysell What a stupid, pathetic statement.
Chimier 11 months ago 6
@steph2buysell wow...are you saying only black people love whitney? what a shallow person you must be! smh
kelvinpyaeko 7 months ago
These 2 artists are the only singers in the world i cant choose between, they are both the best female singers world in my opinion :)
TheBeggerzz 1 year ago
I was once a HUGE Celine Dion fan. But when I started watching Chimier's videos, I finally knew how great Whitney and Mariah really were. And how (in their prime) they never lipped. Celine did (ALOT) Admit it Celiniacs...
hollywoodsinger13 1 year ago
@hollywoodsinger13 Well why not look at their primes here and make a decision who is better.
PsuedoSenator 1 year ago
Whitney wins but Celine is very amazing too, possibly the second best in world. whtiney #1
whitneyluv96 1 year ago 2
Wheres that GLOA 19 seconds!
WhitneyElizabethH 1 year ago
@WhitneyElizabethH MSG (Madison Square Garden) 1988
Chimier 1 year ago
@a1d2h Standing ovation for your comment lol
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier 9:50 NICE! Where I can find it?
Stefano94x 11 months ago
@Stefano94x I Am Changing Live in New York
Chimier 11 months ago
LORRRRRRD Whitney *deep Breathe*
SaDariBaby 1 year ago
I'll never understand why Celine holds her mic the way she does at 7:30 or 4:17 or 4:45... Celine we want to hear you full on!!! Or..some of us do ;) The camera work and note for Whitney at 6:30 was beautiful...
Can I get link to Whitney at 2:26?
elrynx2 1 year ago
@elrynx2 2:26- /watch?v=WR9Kaqq1dr0
Chimier 1 year ago
Why doesn't this have more views? hmm..
elrynx2 1 year ago
My goodness! Celine is so so so good!
kevinonlinepepper 1 year ago 17
I don't care about techniques or styles.. to me Celine is the best and will always will be.
Dorionful 1 year ago 8
jk about my last comment LOL!
gaylolful 1 year ago
@bconsitt Me too. I always thought it was a register and it REQUIRED a technique to be able to be utilized effectively, but as always, TwinPat90, with his lack of musical and vocal knowledge, proved us wrong!
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Celine's lower register is dumb....just sayin'
gaylolful 1 year ago
@Chimier 5:55 LMAO...what is she doing? She's like "give it up! give it up!" what? ROFL.......
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful She's saying "yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah!" LOL
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier It sounds like my little sister when she talks....
gaylolful 1 year ago
I absolutely loved Celine's note at 7:12. She used to have an edginess to her voice in the early and mid 90s, which a lot of critics pointed out and praised her for. I wish she used it more often, like she did in "The Reason" and "Think Twice."
TwinPat90 1 year ago
Whitney Houston..HANDS DOWN!!
hollywoodsinger13 1 year ago
Celine wins.....
turbomeanmachine 1 year ago 10
@turbomeanmachine lol yeah right...Whitney has more power sorry...FACT!
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Wow... Relax. Take a chill pill. XD I LOVE WHITNEY too!
turbomeanmachine 1 year ago
@turbomeanmachine lmao...she's not better...basically Celine's competition is belting and we all know in the mid register no one can play with Whit! No one! HAHAAHA!!!
gaylolful 1 year ago
@Chimier Those weren't words... No one can understand that...all one gets out of that is "you". The rest sounds like engine trouble. Yes, it did sound more strained. I can hardly see the logic in your optimism when you say it's not. And you have one time she growled? Care to give a specific time in a video?
PsuedoSenator 1 year ago
@PsuedoSenator No, you just have a bad ear and can't hear anything.
It sounded more strained? Then tell me about the breath support, placement and what made the note strained. Please do. I'm dying to know.
Go and watch River Deep Mountain High 1994. That's all I'm saying.
LOL Celine growled in Think Twice as well ("no no no no!")
Chimier 1 year ago
@PsuedoSenator You can't understand that, everyone else can. "Oh, you are a wonderful...." are words. And unlike Celine, she didn't peak at it, she sang it.
You can't see the logic because you don't know, just like you didn't know the time signature of It's a Man's World, yet made a comment on "off timing", or just like how you mention phrasing yet have absolutely no idea what it is. In fact, a few months before, you thought Celine's G5 was growled. LOL everything you say is so backwards.
Chimier 1 year ago
If that was strained, it would have been way more squeezed, says you. Funny then, how it sounded way more squeezed than Celine's G5.
PsuedoSenator 1 year ago 3
@PsuedoSenator Um, no it didn't, idiot. Either you need new ears or a new brain. If it was more squeezed than Celine's G5, she wouldn't have been able to sing words...like Celine. Do you know think before you speak or do you just type in foolishness?
Chimier 1 year ago
@chimier
I was talking about it not being in Celine stylistically, dumbass.
PsuedoSenator 1 year ago
@PsuedoSenator Whether it's in Celine stylistically or not, she's growled before. Get over it.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier What's with the "growling" fetish?
TwinPat90 1 year ago
@TwinPat90 elrynx2 aka PsuedoSenator can't tell the difference between straining and growling.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier It's not a "strain." It was a vocal technique that she used in the early and mid 90s, till around 1997. It's fine if you don't like it, but it isn't a reflection of bad vocal usage, or whatever you may call it. Music critics lauded her for it, and she used it a lot in her French-language material.
TwinPat90 1 year ago
@TwinPat90 And what vocal technique was that? Please explain? What kind of placement did it take? What about her soft and hard palate? The breath support needed for it? The laryngeal position? Please tell me the "vocal technique" Celine used.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier I'm not an Otolaryngologist, and I highly doubt you are either, or you wouldn't be asking such trivial questions. Why do you always have to get so rude and defensive? I can tell you the (reputable) music critics who cited this on her, but I doubt it'll make any difference in your mind.
TwinPat90 1 year ago
@TwinPat90 I wasn't being rude or defensive, just asking a question. They're hardly trivial. They are essential to vocal technique. It seems that you don't know the difference between vocal STYLE and vocal TECHNIQUE.
Music critics? That's irrelevant. Unless they're ALL learned in music and singing, as opposed to just journalism, then it doesn't matter what they praised her on. Music critics have the ability to write, not necessarily the knowledge to critique what they write about.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier You're being pedantic, and arguing semantics. You know exactly what I am talking about, and the fact that you intend to dissect and distort wording that is extremely easy to comprehend only exacerbates your real intention of trying to defend your position as some who will stop at nothing to diminsh Celine in any aspect available. It gets trying with you, and I keep asking myself "why bother?"
TwinPat90 1 year ago
@TwinPat90 Um...no. You said VOCAL TECHNIQUE. Vocal technique refers to how well PRODUCED the sound is (resonance, breath support, placement etc.). If you say that Celine was using a vocal technique, then you should back it up. Simple. If you don't KNOW, then don't act like you do.
I didn't say ANYTHING about Celine, so where did I diminish her?
Chimier 1 year ago
@TwinPat90 I can cite music critics calling melisma a vocal technique, but they're WRONG. It's a vocal style, not technique, so music critics are irrelevant. As I said, explain Celine's vocal technique when she produced that note. Everytime I've asked you a question specifically pertaining to music or vocals, you've NEVER answered. Why? You don't know. You tried to correct me, was incorrect yourself, got called out on it and you're mad. Simple.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier It takes two to tango, buddy. Just because you don't understand that Celine uses an array of vocal styles and techniques (just like Mariah's uses her "whistle register") doesn't mean I am "wrong." Also, for you to say that music critics, who make a lifelong profession out of this stuff, are "wrong" just showcases your pretentiousness that much more.
TwinPat90 1 year ago
@TwinPat90 Um, no. I understand PERFECTLY, which is why I can talk about vocal technique. What Celine is doing is NOTHING like whistle register. It's not a vocal technique at all, no matter how much you claim it is. As I said, you should be able to back it up with knowledge on the stuff...that is, if you have any, which you obviously don't because you haven't said ONE thing about the voice or vocal technique to prove it.
Chimier 1 year ago
@TwinPat90 Styles and techniques are NOT the same thing.
Music critics make a lifelong profession on judging music. It doesn't mean they known anything about music theory, composition, or vocal pedagogy. Most of them are learned in JOURNALISM, not the aspects of MUSIC and SINGING, therefore you citing them as "proof" is IRRELEVANT. Before you start using people as a point of reference, make sure you actually know what they do.
Chimier 1 year ago
@TwinPat90 And yes, you are wrong. It's strain. Her larynx is up, it's not a supported sound, it's thin, no resonance, all the way in the throat and she can barely get up to the note. Celine is straining. Simple.
Chimier 1 year ago
@TwinPat90 You don't have to be an otolaryngologist, but you said it was a vocal TECHNIQUE. Thus, you should be able to answer the questions. But as I said, you were confusing style and technique. T
Chimier 1 year ago
Poor Celine, She really got Destroyed here..... Come on Mariah Vs Celine i want Celine to get destroyed Again
WhitneyElizabethH 1 year ago
@WhitneyElizabethH lol....
gaylolful 1 year ago
@WhitneyElizabethH Damn...well you'll have to wait a while. IDK what's wrong with youtube. The Advanced Uploader isn't working so....
Chimier 1 year ago
@bconsitt That too.
Chimier 1 year ago
@bconsitt She growled a rather good F5 in a 1994 performance of River Deep, Mountain High. It wasn't really powerful (her voice has never had much body to it), but it wasn't strained either. Just growled.
Chimier 1 year ago
nice comparison
velkyprase 1 year ago
5:19 SING WHITNEY!!! I love it when she hollers like that!!!! THE VOICE!!!!
Emperor961 1 year ago
Whitney. Her voice was everything a female voice should be, hence her almost universal recognition as the greatest voice modern music and popular culture as a whole has heard. I respect Celine, her accomplishments/awards and her overall vocals, but the whole point of Whitney's prime being such a factor in comparisons featuring her and other worldwide famous singers, is that Whitney's prime enabled her voice to reach tones and musically brilliant heights never before seen and never duplicated.
ManOfBamboo 1 year ago
I cant choose they are both so great. celiine was even better than i thought, i must give her a closer listen.
MONRAYDAYALWAYZ 1 year ago
@CDionLive Yeah, she's been mixing for a long time. She even mixed these really tiny G#5 chirps in a performance of Love Can Move Mountains in Chicago. Funny thing is I prefer it to that offkey yelp she did in the performance of The Reason on the National Lottery Show. Had I known about those G#5s before, I would have used them in the Whitney vs Celine video. Oh well...perhaps I'll use them in the Whitney vs. Celine (Then and Now) video
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Another fantastic video by the way. :)
ManOfBamboo 1 year ago
@ManOfBamboo Thank you! :^)
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Sorry to bother your kind heart...but where can I find the clip of the guy talking about Whitney...around 3 min?
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Check the info box. The link is there ;)
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Gracias :P
gaylolful 1 year ago
@Chimier 9:45 OUCH! LOL! She's singing about help yet she needs it!
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Listen to Whitney's first F#5. OUCH.
elrynx2 1 year ago
@elrynx2 That's what we call a growl.
Chimier 1 year ago
@elrynx2 No sorry honey you FAIL at life LMFAO...that was a vocal growl....
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Don't call me honey. And commenting on a Youtube video is not playing any kind of game of life. That was strained...now it could've been much more strained, but it was still strained. On THAT day, that was a hard note for her to hit. She can certainly hit the note with force and clarity, but don't be in denial. Fact is, that sounded more strained than Celine's G5. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I called that note a growl now would you.
elrynx2 1 year ago
@elrynx2 No, it wasn't strained. It was growled. Two different things. Celine's was strained. Whitney SANG her note, Celine hit for a split second. Big difference.
Chimier 1 year ago
@elrynx2 Celine's was strained. She pulled her neck up because her larynx was too high and she dropped down from the note immediately after she hit it. THAT G5 was strained, not Whitney's F#5. Hell, Celine had to push like hell for both her F#5s, Whitney sang them with much better production.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier They were both strained. And I'm sure you'd like to note that Celine was already phrasing quite highly in chest before she did her first F#5. Whitney SANG her G5 "what else can I do"... To call what she's doing on the note I brought up singing is taking liberties. I'm simply saying they were both strained. I'm not trying to make a broader point. Also: Are you using the same head notes for Celine in the Mariah v. Celine vid.
elrynx2 1 year ago
@elrynx2 It is singing. If she sustains it while forming WORDS in it, she's singing it. Celine HIT the F#, Whitney sang the F#. Same goes for the G5 and G#5 notes.
Celine vs Mariah? You'll have to wait and see.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier
Words? Word singular...if you call uhh--yeaah--bobobo. Also, Celine rarely sings a note over a phrase. No matter what pitch. Well, I had a head note I want to contribute.
elrynx2 1 year ago
@elrynx2 She didn't say "uhhh yeahhh bobobo", she sang "ohhhhhhh, YOU ARE a WONDERFUL..."
Celine rarely does it because she can't do it well. That's why she hits the note for a second, forcing like hell, and drops to a lower note immediately, or she just screams. She's never really phrased well above E5. And even anything above D5 is a struggle for her to sing. She can hold them, but singing words in them is an entirely different matter.
Mariah and Celine video is done.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Don't tell me the words she was attempting, it will only make me think less of that note. Her poor phrasing only goes more toward the point that it was strained. Show me her even trying to growl. It's not in her, stylistically. If it was in RDMH, it was mostly likely strain.
elrynx2 1 year ago
@elrynx2 She wasn't attempting, she was accomplishing.
Stop talking about phrasing, because you obviously have no idea what that is.
You just prove time and time again that your ear is just really bad.
You don't even know what song she's singing, thus how will you really know what she's saying, especially when the note is growled? On top of that, you don't know anything about vocal technique or singing. You just post words that you're oblivious to.
Chimier 1 year ago
@elrynx2 It's not in her stylistically? Whitney has a gospel-based musical background. Growling, throaty swooping and inflections were African in origin and came and made their way into African-American music during the time of the slave trade. LOL do you know anything?
There are many instances of Whitney growling. Hell, go and listen to I Wanna Dance with Somebody. She growls in that song.
Celine's F5s before the growl in RDMH were strained, the growl itself was not.
Chimier 1 year ago
@elrynx2 Whitney Growled...LOL do you really think Chimier would put a clip of Whitney messing up that much? If it wasn't growled that's pretty bad...BUT since it was it was good...I'm not in denial sweety....just face the facts...do you even know what a growl is? Apparently not...no offense...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Right! Why would I include a strained note for Whitney? With Celine, I have no choice, but Whitney's an entirely different matter.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier "With Celine, I have no choice" LOL...your right on that one! It's a fact(not an opinion at this point!) That she strains much more than Whitney....not saying she's bad at singing...but I'd rather have Whitney voice than Celine's...lets be honest here! She's just more skilled! hehehehe
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Way more. Now I did try to make it equal, which is why I didn't use ALL of Whitney's best, but she still slayed (I know I shouldn't say that seeing as I made the vid lol).
Lower register, belting, head voice, pitch control, production, agility, resonance, volume, dynamics, tone, flexibility, musicality, Whitney>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Celine.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier They don't call her THE VOICE for no reason...no room fro another(with exceptions lol)....she just got slammed I actually feel sorry for the poorthing :p
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful
But you know Celine has sold more so shes automaticly better (Celiniac Language)
WhitneyElizabethH 1 year ago
@WhitneyElizabethH lmao...funny person...You know what I hate? I hate it when there's always that one person to bash Whitney on a video(although I've bashed someone and you know who lol) why can't they leave her alone!
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful
Haha everyone will have haters :D
WhitneyElizabethH 1 year ago
@gaylolful You're right, it was a growl. Whitney, Mariah, Aretha, Patti, Natalie, they can all SING those notes and growl them at the same time. Celine can kinda do it (up to a certain point), but nowhere near as well.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier I know I'm right lmao....this(nevermind let me stop there before I say something...)
gaylolful 1 year ago
@Chimier
Mariah growls?
LOL, the way I phrased that sounded stupid, but has she?
shootforthemoon89 1 year ago
@shootforthemoon89 Yep. Many times lol. Both live and studio.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier
I Know this is really off topic and out of the blue but who do u think is in better vocal condition, Shirley Bassey Or Celine?
WhitneyElizabethH 1 year ago
@WhitneyElizabethH Shirley Bassey
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier
Is there going to be a Mariah VS Whitney (Then & Now) video (since you're making one for Whitney & Celine...and already made one for Mariah & Celine)?
KyoHanjin 1 year ago
@KyoHanjin Yep, but that depends on Whitney. I need more high notes from her now lol. I already found a G5 belted from her this year, but I need more. I need a G#5 belted and G5-C6 head to make the videos.
Right now, I'm working on some new videos that are completely unrelated, so you (and I) are gonna have to wait a while until those "Then and Now" vids come to fruition :)
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier
Could you please link me to Whitney's recently belted F#5 and G5 please?
What's the next video going to be on?
KyoHanjin 1 year ago
@KyoHanjin F#5: /watch?v=BpoAYEwDi3I (5:44)
G5: /watch?v=sZSRwhFzoH0 (4:26)
Oh, that's a secret ;)
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier
Thanks a lot ^^.
Let me in on this little secret ;)
KyoHanjin 1 year ago
@KyoHanjin No no no :P
I've let too many people in already XD
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier I have two questions....what is that guy talking about when he said they recorded live from the back or something? And where can I find Whitney singing Greatest love of all? In this clip of course... :) Sorry to bother your kind heart lol..
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful The link for that clip is in the description box.
Greatest Love of All: /watch?v=STnghXeKzko
No problem lol
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier I need help! HEEEELP! What note is Whitney hititng @ 1:55 in this song?
/watch?v=5lni_Ggxg9U
Sorry to bother your kind heart :)
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Um...do you mean the head note? Because the higher head note is her mom...
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Wait what? lololol...she's singing Chestnuts...you know The Christmas Song....what did I send you? I meant to send you Whitney singing Chestnuts...what note is she hitting at 1:55? Her mom isn't even their???? I'm confused...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful The link you sent me was the link for THIS video lol
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier HAHAHAHA! Oh sorry...I meant to send you this.... watch?v=IuCWGzWY5To......what note is she hitting at 1:55???
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Do you mean the part where she sings the word "fly"? It's E5
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Yup that's the part I wanted...sorry to beother your kind heart ^^
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL please stop saying that. It makes me feel as if I'm a saint when I'm not :P
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier LOL! I was wondering when you were going to tell me to stop...haha...it was good while it lasted :)
gaylolful 1 year ago
@Chimier
Those notes were actually quite impressive considering her current vocal condition
KyoHanjin 1 year ago
@CDionLive LMAO! I think Celine doesn't perform it cos it's really old and perhaps she's bored with it...or it could be the high notes lol
Next up: Mariah vs Celine Prime. It's almost finished, but its upload date depends on when the picture gets finished, so ;)
Chimier 1 year ago
@CDionLive That's true, but in terms of the concept of this video, had to stick to the guidelines. Whitney held 20 second notes just this past June on tour, but what would be the point of me including them on this video lol? Her lower range has also improved significantly, but I wouldn't have added any low notes post-1994 in this vid, because they weren't in her prime.
Anyway, what did you think of the video as a whole?
Chimier 1 year ago
@CDionLive I know that, but as you told me, her prime was in the years 1991-1999, so I couldn't add them even if I wanted to (well I could, but then it would kinda defeat the purpose of this vid, don't you think lol?)
Chimier 1 year ago
My god Celine keeps getting SLAUGHTERED in these versus videos.
Gvibes123 1 year ago
@Gvibes123 Yay! You're back!
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier LOL been a little busy but yeah. Until Celine can compete with Whitney's I Am Changing performance in Cali then we'll talk.
Gvibes123 1 year ago
@Gvibes123 LOL AMEN!
Chimier 1 year ago