The only reason that 17 gear old girl thought she could even speak to him is because she has been handed everything in her life because she is a "hot" teenage girl. That would piss me off if i spent all my life getting educated like he did. He is a smart man, and how dare someone feel superior to him JUST because they are a girl. For that she got what she deserved. It may have not changed her world but it was a step needed among many to show her who she really is.
Its to bad. He fun to watch, and he is insightful once in a blue moon as well. I find people who do not know or even try to watch his videos, are the only ones who would in a million years call him a sexist. He also against fat people. Hold he is kinda fat LOL... I think the people are a little to emotional, its the Internet, get over it and get a life! (non of this is a big deal.
artistandy, I don't think everyone that uses the n-word is a racist, but I do think your example is a poor one. We know nothing about these hypothetical people, and it could be the case that the guy IS a racist that was having a political discussion with a black guy. That DOES happen you know? The difference here is that we have a history on TJ. Is it a bad sign that he thinks it's within the bounds of acceptability to be sexist? Yes. Do I think he's a sexist? No.
I didn't ask you the question. I've no interest in your feelings. But I do have confidence you'd be (or are) a caring son/father, despite the fact you annoy me at this point.
And an atheist can forgive and love enemies as well. I know I do.
I'd be a little bit affected, perhaps positively in hopes of my daughter/mother learning something about what sexism really is. In all honesty, you can't say TJ was being sexist; Because he made no sexist remarks (Ref. RE: TheAmazingAtheist makes me sick).
But back to your question, I'd explain to my daughter what sexism is. But I'd assume she'd be smart enough to know about it before stepping to TJ.
In all fairness, I think TJ made some remarks that many would consider to be sexist. I'm merely arguing that he didn't form his opinion of laci or the original pwnage victim based upon their sex. He makes up his mind based on what is said, and then proceeds to hurt that person in any way he possibly can. It's deplorable, but it's not sexist.
That's the way TheAmazingAtheist works. He uses exaggeration and mockery to make something that sounds like it was said by someone who's off their rocker even more ridiculous to help others understand how funny it really is.
She used her cleavage and gender as a weapon. The fact she did that alone is a subconscious admission to defeat before TAA even had to do anything.
What I am saying is that during his "pwnage" series, TJ was all about hurting his opponent in the most effective way possible. In this case, he went with sexist attacks. Had his target been a male, he would have gone for an equally offensive alternative. In essence, my contention is that a bigot is someone whose opinion of someone else is disproportionately formed based upon preconceived notions, and I think TJ forms his opinions based on what comes out of peoples' mouths.
one of the things that really pisses me off is religious people telling others they are going to hell. They're nobodies and it makes them feel superior to make such judgments when it's none of their business really, but I guess they're confused because they think they have to 'save' people. They can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned and are among the most evil of all people.
I don't think the issue is that he was attacking her because she was a 17-year-old-girl that fit certain stereotypes, but it is inarguable that he was using those stereotypes to beat her over the head. I may be totally off, but it seems that two people focused on issues based in emotion who are attempting to cover it with a veneer of rationality aren't going to get much done - nor is approaching the question as a rational one going to be much help. (cont)
Viscerally I disagree with what TJ did, but there's no doubt it's effective as a way to vent his spleen. I think Laci's critique was spot on, but her initial assumption that TJ was trying to be rational in the first place makes her reaction seem overdramatic in turn. Josh, nicely done on making the video, but the attempt to make a reasonable analysis of a fundamentally unreasonable situation kind of took the force out of the contrast you presented.
So TJ was using negative descriptives to highlight her stupidity, rather than her sexuality.
As we all know, it would have been impossible for him to point out her stupidity without also pointing out that she's a bimbo, and it's common knowledge that the term bimbo isn't in sexist in any way, shape or form, and applies equally to both sexes.
I don't deny that TJ used sexist remarks. My point is that the intention of the person using such phrases should be considered when one determines if they are sexist or racist or whatever...ist. In this case, TJ's modus operandi is to use the most offensive language he can muster. I suppose the short and sweet of it is that I think TJ dismisses people for what comes out of their mouthes first and foremost. I could be wrong, he might have dismissed her at the onset because of her boobs. *shrug*
I think you mean "Short People," and you're spot on. The words themselves aren't inherently sexist or abusive. I believe the intention is what matters (in most cases), and in this case the intention was obviously to be abusive, not sexist. Is TJ's abusive style acceptable? That's a different question that people seem to be confusing with the question of whether TJ was sexist in this exchange.
That's specious reasoning: because his intent was to insult her apparent lack of character/intelligence/etc, the words he used which seemingly equated her gender with her lack of character/intelligence/etc are acceptable because that was 'clearly' unintentional.
If I were playing dumb, I'd be mirroring your actions. However, I'm just pointing out the flaws in your "logic"... don't hate 'cause I'm right and you're not.
O yeah? What makes you think that? Because you claim moral high ground because you use sexism against him? Go listen to Randy Newman - Short People. Is that guy a racist? I challenge you to listen to that and then answer the question, is he a racist? Then maybe we can have a proper discussion.
Moral high ground? xD Morality has nothing to do with it: by definition, his statements are all sexist:
sex⋅ist - pertaining to, involving, or fostering sexism: a sexist remark.
sex⋅ism - attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
As for the song, it is satire: I certainly hope for the sake of what little credibility you might have left that you're not attempting to draw a correlation between the two.
Morality has nothing to do with it? You say it is immoral to use sexist remaks while I say it is moral to use it in certain context's. Just like the song, he uses racist remarks in a proper context where we don't see it as immoral. Making stereotype remarks in certain context is appropriate if the person has all the stereotype characteristic's. What is sexist is saying woman can't vote. Calling someone names in a discussion is not. Saying nigger is not racist, saying niggers leave is.
I'm sorry... when did I say that it was immoral to use sexist remarks? Oh, wait... I didn't. I merely pointed out that he was making sexist remarks, and I stand by that.
You are the one that brought morality into this, not me. I merely pointed out that his comments were, in fact, sexist... and they are.
As for that, it's up to each individual to determine where to draw that line in the sand: just because you feel that it's acceptable within a specific context desn't mean that everyone will.
Fine. But I didn't clearly noticed you were only addressing the definition of his remarks so excuse me for the previous comments. I thought you also took on the stand that he uses sexist remarks and that it is wrong.
And still, in my opinion even the words themself's are irrelevant for sexism. Blondie could be a sexist remark but that would only derive from the context. calling an attractive but empty-headed young woman a bimbo is not sexism. Calling woman in general bimbos is, in my opinion.
If you're asking my personal opinion, then I would say that all discriminatory remarks are, to varying degrees, harmful... even with the best of intentions, with which the road to Hell is said to be paved.
As for the definition(s), I'll not argue those: they speak clearly for themselves. I will state, however, that for the girl in question to be considered a bimbo, by definition, she'd have to be attractive as well as empty-headed, and it is my opinion that she is far from attractive.
Very true. In fact, the woman TJ was talking about pretty much steriotyped herself, and TJ merely exploited it.
Its just like when African Americans act like gangsters, join gangs, listen to Rap, are uneducated, and use drugs. Then they wonder why they are constantly hated, put down, and thaught badly of by others and why cops show them no mercey. Get a clue right? Same implication with this 17 year old "princess" that TJ diddn't speak too fondly of.
Jedi, what would make sense if the only insults TJ used were sexist. I went out of my way to get the insults that lazy spoke of so as to be fair in may characterization of what was said. As I said in previous comments, I'm not defending the manner in which TJ approached this, I'm saying that I don't think that anyone that has seen more than one of TJ's videos knows that he's actually pretty fair minded. Vulgar, but fair. As such I personally don't believe him to be a sexist. Opinion, sure.
I can't say with any certainty that TAA isn't sexist, but that's besides the point: whether or not he is in fact sexist, his words can (and have been) considered sexist... this was my point all along.
Certainly it is debatable which is why I made this vid in the first place. It seemed there was a debate as to whether TJ was being a sexist, and my opinion has, and still is, that he was just being the biggest asshole he could be at the time.
i like TJ and Gogreen18 but i think TJ was definitely right about this. TJ wasnt attacking women, he was attacking teenage girls and the stereotypes about them.
Laci pisses me off more than anyone else. Her "let's all be nice" movement needs to be squelched, and then beaten for insolence. She's a victim mentality enabler.
The entire video is nothing but bull shit insults and name calling. Is that really all you got TJ? is that ALL?? Fuck man, get off youtube and go back to your couch and your x-box 360 and leave the world alone.
Considering the fact that Laci is ALWAYS being a condescending bitch to men, always trying to use shit like blowing out her lips to the size of a football pitch and shooting down her boobs, she has some nerve to call men sexist.
If you make out that you're stupid and use sex to sell yourself, you should expect to get sexism back.
There is a older and more politically minded activist individual or network involved and she's there bubblehead bimbot sockpuppet for sure or kinda for sure.
Kinda like the begining sensation of the Obama girl and come to find out it was some balding guy that just hired a model to make his video.
I think someone is making insentitives for people to pwne anyone who is meaningly critical of Laci to be damaging to her also
Curas, I've watched Laci in her blogtv room live. Trust me, it's her. She's an organized, prepared, intelligent young student, and though I can't say I know for sure her videos on YouTube aren't 'produced' by some outside entity ... I am willing to bet my left pinky toe on it. I think that someone who doesn't know the difference between there and their judging Laci's knowledge or intelligence is as ironic and laughable as your conclusion that she is being 'produced' presumably by some old guy.
Oh so I say she's 'there' bubble headed sockpuppet instead of 'their' and my whole premise is now invalid ?
But ignoring the intellectual elitism and grammer Nazism, so you really saw her on live blog TV doing the same level of presentation quality material ?
I mean I did say I was sure of it and that was a poor choice of words because I was writing the way I would have spoke it, like 'oh I just Know it' but more like voicing a suspision than a fact
I'm a grammar (not grammer) Nazi ;P. I can't help it.
Sorry for being snobby, sometimes I disregard my IRL caution in interacting with people when online. I'm so used to commenting on political videos crying that we're becoming a socialist state that the insults just flow naturally. Your grammar doesn't invalidate your point, but you must understand that for perfectionist nerds like myself it does tug on my natural biases (sort of like a man talking down to a woman for Laci :x).
I'm a grammar (not grammer) Nazi ;P. I can't help it.
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LOL! I'm sorry I'm the worst speller in the world, I even tried using spell check as a grammar learning aid but to no avail.
I don't want to start about socialism or feminism because my rants always end up trailing off into the right even though I I try to be objective in all things.
I'm somewhere between Ayn Rand n Robert David Putnam, author of Bowling Alone.
My childhood influence was Rush 2112, a intro to Anthem.
With low quality work like this, a lack of cinematic effect, and an outro that clearly doesn't match the quality or style of the rest of her videos (as well as her being overweight - Which she does not hide in EVERY video - Something I would expect a production company to reject), I doubt she is produced.
More likely, she's just experienced, and clever enough to realise she CAN use her sexuality to get the attention of sexists. She just doesn't realise the obvious flaw in this...
Who's the racist chick? probably someone yet agian that didn't tow the liberal line and had some leftist ideocant slap that big all serving label on her.
I mean come on people there is a whole political spectrum right of center and some of it is truth even if it does offend you!
Of course if shes just ranting like a neo nazi well then, there it is.
Id like to hear what TJ's victim had to say and who cares if she was a skirt or not
Hey thanks, but I looked up apologetics the girl TJ was talking about and after a little digging I was disappointed in her.
Her original videos were reposted by someone under apologetics4her and it was like a lonelygirl hoax meets yes on 8 (the california ban on same sex amendment) because her later video were pretty much a lot slicker production than any 17yr old could do (kinda like laci's videos too).
Her father is on it and while it shouldn't matter, it makes me question why it does.
I'm just kicking myself that I bought it hook, line and sinker and even made a damn support video about it! LOL!
I'm still a detractor of the homosexual agenda, I just believe in being objective in criticism and realistic in what possible kind of solution could ever come from it, if any.
I'm a atheist but not a anti theist and yet I feel played by a religious zealot, it's rare my ire ever falls from the left to the right but being played is being played
I know what you mean..iam alwys caught in the middle as i am a religous,but not a zealot.I keep getting told i ride the fence.maybe i have my doubts but i hold to religion as i have no where else to turn.
lamar, your candid admission regarding your faith here is admirable. I feel like to some degree I can understand having a need for something and accepting a bad solution in lieu of no solution. The only advice I dare offer is to seek solace in your friends and family; therein you will always find purpose, love, reason for morality, acceptance, judgement, etc. If you have a strong relationship with people you love and trust then you will get the feedback you need for better or worse.
I don't understand your position, would you clarify? What is the "homosexual agenda," and when you say you believe in objective criticism can you provide an example that applies to this case ('homosexual agenda')?
I must say, your use of the word "solution" in this context immediately made me think of Hitler's final solution. Please tell me you're not talking about homosexuality itself as a problem in need of some solution?
The term homosexual agenda was coined by the family research council in 1992 as the gay agenda and I'm reading right out of wiki as I read it then.
The base of the belief in the gay agenda is the Christian right and I imagine white power groups also.
As a social conservative atheist (I'm economically progressive) I chose the word solution for a reference to what GWB (dubya) said "What's your solution" ?
In other words criticism isn't enough, libs n cons need open dialog, not fascism.
Oh sorry if I'm overposting on your reply page (is that wrong ?) but I just wanted to be really clear where I stand on civil liberties.
What I am against most is the culture war and polarization, so while I am a social conservative I see it's pitfalls & the pitfalls of all extremist views even though I am not a centralist or moderate.
I do not believe in white power, racial supremacy, segregation or any ism that has a parochial view or subjective practices.
Curas, what evidence do you have that someone is helping with the 'production' of apologetics and/or Laci's videos? If you are working solely on the premise that people under some age (say 20) are incapable of either producing quality media or learning to do the aforementioned trivial task ... then I encourage you to examine the prejudices that would lead you to believe your conclusion. Further, given someone is helping Apologetics, why do you think it's her father in particular?
Thank you for asking that because here is where the rabbit hole gets deep and twisted.
I don't want to name names but I ran into two youtubers lacis age that basically say they will pwne anyone critical of her.
One of those teens refuted apologetics validity and the video on her return supported it to me.
The other reason I'm suspicious (but not convinced) is technical,for quality production takes knowledge through study and good equipment, that takes time to learn and acquire
And look, douchebag, EVERYONE knows that TJ uses graphic language, THATS HIS STYLE. If you like all substance and no style then unsubscribe and kindly fuck off, we are doing really fucking well without you whining little faggots that jump on every curse word. And HOW FUCKING DARE YOU say that TJ has NO substance, he has both! He isn't just calling names. But you're only looking for that and nothing else. So fuck you, and go back to your poor fucking nowhere country ya fuckin' cunty CUNT.
TJ can be annoying, and I hate his attacks on people who are not doing anything wrong. His remark on her camera angle was fucking stupid and irrelevant imo. I think he needs to grow up, I like when he attacks people points, but not the person for no fucking reason.
You say Laci needs to grow up, you clearly don't know TJ, he needs to grow up. Haft of the Atheist on Youtube doesn't even like him.
Now im a sub of TJ and enjoy his videos, but sometimes he can be annoying.
"You say Laci needs to grow up, you clearly don't know TJ"
Non-sequitur.
I never said that TJ is a bastion of reason. My point is simply that it's TJ's modus operandi to attack every single bit of a person during pwnage. This is his idea of pwnage. When he attacks NVP he calls his fat ... where is Laci's crying moaning video on that? Laci showed one of her heart strings here; it's as simple as that. To expect respectful commentary from TJ is to set yourself up for failure.
I don't think she made a video about TJ attacks on NVP image because frankly it has nothing to do with her. I think ur comment on her needing to grow up is not valid, she had a reason to get annoyed. TJ made statements about her that was irrelevant. I can see if he attacked her points or views in a video but it was kinda random and came out of left field. He needs to grow up, and I think she was pissed because it was pointless. Every1 is getting annoyed with TJ thats why people emotions showing.
I like Laci, but she seems to be a serious drama queen.
It's not like it was the end of the world or anything.
Cyberbullying? Maybe it's because I've been online since 1982, but harsh words and nasty attitudes don't really do much. Lets pretend for a moment that the AA was cursing me out, how can that really hurt me? It doesn't even frighten me a little. Can cursing and yelling really be considered cyberbullying when you can just op to not watch the video?
No that is not the way TJ always talks. He always exaggerates how displeased he is with people and how stupid they are compared to him - but that's okay because those are caricatures based on truth. There is no doubt the girl he attacked is a bitch but TJ described some qualities in her that were false and irrelevant. Laci took some comments out of context but too bad! TJ was insulting and he knew it. Judging Laci's motives for having an odd cam angle is not an appropriate response! TJ is wrong.
... and you're illiterate. The difference between our claims? I have evidence, and you have an opinion that seems oddly similar to a doe eyed creationist in that it is qualified with a word like "forever." If Laci started singing country would she still rock?
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I think I'm starting to like Laci. I hadn't subscribed to her before because I thought she was just a pair of breasts and a pretty face, devoid of any common sense.
I think I'll give her a try. Ahem... I mean I think I'll sub her '~'
You mean the amazing jackass. This guy I totally obnoxious. If I were a christian, I would hold him up as a poster child for reasons not to be an atheist.
Buddy this is what YouTube is all about. I spent about 3 hours making that, and I consider this a hobby. What do you do for fun? I'm sure it's trivial in some way, so follow your own advice - stop wasting your time watching and commenting on meaningless videos. What the hell do you get out of potinf that comment anyway? Really?
"Sexism, a term coined in the late 20th century, refers to the belief or attitude that one gender or sex is inferior to or less valuable than the other. It can also refer to hatred of, or prejudice towards, either sex as a whole (see misogyny and misandry), or the application of stereotypes of masculinity in relation to men, or of femininity in relation to women." There were stereotypes involved. I'm not saying TJ is sexist but he won't hesitate to say sexist things to stir up drama. Pathetic.
Laci is a whining bitch. Sexism is defined as regarding the opposite gender as inferior in some way. Insults and personal attacks just because she is female do NOT amount to sexism.
I agree that some of what TJ said was offensive. My point is that his actions were par for the course. It's as if I hit somebody with my car and they respond by calling me the N-word. I don't like it, but I understand. Now, if I ran that person over BECAUSE of their skin tone THAT would be racist. Likewise for sexism, when one attempts to be rude and offensive as a rebuke then it is hardly damning proof of sexism. At best it proves TJ is unsympathetic.
I've unsubscribed from gogreen18, she's become an affected attention-whore with a massive chip on her shoulder, and these latest drama queen videos reflect a complete look-at-me philosophy.
Not surprising really, when people reach a celebrity status, they can become pretentious. As a role reversal from her mormon past, laci now proudly presides over a very large mouth and an excessively libertarian outlook.
No partnership for me, sony gets to do that because I used Cry Me a River.
Thanks for the compliment. It means a lot coming from the likes of you ;). I was just messing around with the software on this one, but I'm thinking of doing another where I take some time to really plan it out and sync it up.
The only reason that 17 gear old girl thought she could even speak to him is because she has been handed everything in her life because she is a "hot" teenage girl. That would piss me off if i spent all my life getting educated like he did. He is a smart man, and how dare someone feel superior to him JUST because they are a girl. For that she got what she deserved. It may have not changed her world but it was a step needed among many to show her who she really is.
zalvator 2 years ago
I have to say I am subscribe to both Laci and TJ.
But in this case TJ is in the right Laci sorry but you need to grow up some.
Darkphoenix3450 2 years ago
Its to bad. He fun to watch, and he is insightful once in a blue moon as well. I find people who do not know or even try to watch his videos, are the only ones who would in a million years call him a sexist. He also against fat people. Hold he is kinda fat LOL... I think the people are a little to emotional, its the Internet, get over it and get a life! (non of this is a big deal.
Darkphoenix3450 2 years ago
Why do people always label people who call people niggar as racist?
MrJastin 2 years ago
kinda funny considering nigger means lazy
ArielDarkBlade69 2 years ago
@ArielDarkBlade69
Kind of funny how your wrong, and apparently willfully ignorant since it takes about 2 seconds to search the actual definition of the term on google.
crashmidget15 10 months ago
@crashmidget15 If you don't believe nigger means lazy than you should read a dictionary sometime.
ArielDarkBlade69 8 months ago
@ArielDarkBlade69
What dictionary did you read that in? Pretty sure you are wrong.
crashmidget15 8 months ago
@MrJastin
I doubt they would since im pretty sure niggAr is not a word.
crashmidget15 10 months ago
you shouldve put amazing atheist to Marilyn Manson...
flamingstick 2 years ago
Laci AND theamazingatheist are both jackasses in my opinion lol
RobUtubebeast 2 years ago
artistandy, I don't think everyone that uses the n-word is a racist, but I do think your example is a poor one. We know nothing about these hypothetical people, and it could be the case that the guy IS a racist that was having a political discussion with a black guy. That DOES happen you know? The difference here is that we have a history on TJ. Is it a bad sign that he thinks it's within the bounds of acceptability to be sexist? Yes. Do I think he's a sexist? No.
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
Glad someone put her in her place.
JODQ11 2 years ago 4
I didn't ask you the question. I've no interest in your feelings. But I do have confidence you'd be (or are) a caring son/father, despite the fact you annoy me at this point.
And an atheist can forgive and love enemies as well. I know I do.
EmceeGlitch 2 years ago
I'd be a little bit affected, perhaps positively in hopes of my daughter/mother learning something about what sexism really is. In all honesty, you can't say TJ was being sexist; Because he made no sexist remarks (Ref. RE: TheAmazingAtheist makes me sick).
But back to your question, I'd explain to my daughter what sexism is. But I'd assume she'd be smart enough to know about it before stepping to TJ.
EmceeGlitch 2 years ago
Cleavage and using your gender as a weapon is as bad if not worse than sexism.
'nuff said.
EmceeGlitch 2 years ago
TAA is not a sexist. Give me one statement in which TAA made that is a sexist statement.
EmceeGlitch 2 years ago
In all fairness, I think TJ made some remarks that many would consider to be sexist. I'm merely arguing that he didn't form his opinion of laci or the original pwnage victim based upon their sex. He makes up his mind based on what is said, and then proceeds to hurt that person in any way he possibly can. It's deplorable, but it's not sexist.
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
This is the point in which I'm trying to make; Thank you for clarifying it to those who didn't notice.
EmceeGlitch 2 years ago
That's the way TheAmazingAtheist works. He uses exaggeration and mockery to make something that sounds like it was said by someone who's off their rocker even more ridiculous to help others understand how funny it really is.
She used her cleavage and gender as a weapon. The fact she did that alone is a subconscious admission to defeat before TAA even had to do anything.
EmceeGlitch 2 years ago
both tj and laci are intelligent, sometime tj's videos are offensive
underclassdamnriot 2 years ago
whoever looks up to the amazing athiest has a sad life
ALEXJONESNEWChannel 2 years ago
I must agree completely, but do you think that he's a sexist?
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
i think he hates women because they hate him he might suck cock too.
ALEXJONESNEWChannel 2 years ago
TAA has a girlfriend. He's had a girlfriend for a while; Her name's Molly.
EmceeGlitch 2 years ago
her name is his hand
ALEXJONESNEWChannel 2 years ago
@ALEXJONESNEWChannel My life's pretty good and I look up to TJ. Granted, not all of TJ but a lot.
mizakzee 9 months ago
What I am saying is that during his "pwnage" series, TJ was all about hurting his opponent in the most effective way possible. In this case, he went with sexist attacks. Had his target been a male, he would have gone for an equally offensive alternative. In essence, my contention is that a bigot is someone whose opinion of someone else is disproportionately formed based upon preconceived notions, and I think TJ forms his opinions based on what comes out of peoples' mouths.
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
"dont judge lest ye be judged"
one of the things that really pisses me off is religious people telling others they are going to hell. They're nobodies and it makes them feel superior to make such judgments when it's none of their business really, but I guess they're confused because they think they have to 'save' people. They can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned and are among the most evil of all people.
sinephase 2 years ago
I don't think the issue is that he was attacking her because she was a 17-year-old-girl that fit certain stereotypes, but it is inarguable that he was using those stereotypes to beat her over the head. I may be totally off, but it seems that two people focused on issues based in emotion who are attempting to cover it with a veneer of rationality aren't going to get much done - nor is approaching the question as a rational one going to be much help. (cont)
stealthbadger 2 years ago
Viscerally I disagree with what TJ did, but there's no doubt it's effective as a way to vent his spleen. I think Laci's critique was spot on, but her initial assumption that TJ was trying to be rational in the first place makes her reaction seem overdramatic in turn. Josh, nicely done on making the video, but the attempt to make a reasonable analysis of a fundamentally unreasonable situation kind of took the force out of the contrast you presented.
stealthbadger 2 years ago
So TJ was using negative descriptives to highlight her stupidity, rather than her sexuality.
As we all know, it would have been impossible for him to point out her stupidity without also pointing out that she's a bimbo, and it's common knowledge that the term bimbo isn't in sexist in any way, shape or form, and applies equally to both sexes.
Oh, wait... it doesn't.
TheGameJedi 2 years ago
Back alley abortions, bimbo, stick-with-tits, and mini-skirts... yeah.
She belongs at the mall, shopping? Should she also get into the kitchen and bake him a pie when she gets home?
Be honest, Josh: just about everything he said could be construed as sexist, since it was directly tied to her sexuality.
How did you come to the conclusion that pointing out his blatant sexism is in itself sexism...
... if I called you a nigger, and you accused me of being racist, would that make you a racist?
TheGameJedi 2 years ago
I don't deny that TJ used sexist remarks. My point is that the intention of the person using such phrases should be considered when one determines if they are sexist or racist or whatever...ist. In this case, TJ's modus operandi is to use the most offensive language he can muster. I suppose the short and sweet of it is that I think TJ dismisses people for what comes out of their mouthes first and foremost. I could be wrong, he might have dismissed her at the onset because of her boobs. *shrug*
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
If the term Bimbo is sexist then the term Woman is sexist.
philateliceun 2 years ago
yeah calling someone a bimbo is really inappropriate.
Ehm, no.
If you don't understand what he is saying you are as bad as the people who mocked Randy Newman for his song Little People.
Can't you see what he is saying?
Are you really that blind?
philateliceun 2 years ago
I think you mean "Short People," and you're spot on. The words themselves aren't inherently sexist or abusive. I believe the intention is what matters (in most cases), and in this case the intention was obviously to be abusive, not sexist. Is TJ's abusive style acceptable? That's a different question that people seem to be confusing with the question of whether TJ was sexist in this exchange.
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
That's specious reasoning: because his intent was to insult her apparent lack of character/intelligence/etc, the words he used which seemingly equated her gender with her lack of character/intelligence/etc are acceptable because that was 'clearly' unintentional.
Right.
TheGameJedi 2 years ago
Play dumb all you like.
philateliceun 2 years ago
If I were playing dumb, I'd be mirroring your actions. However, I'm just pointing out the flaws in your "logic"... don't hate 'cause I'm right and you're not.
TheGameJedi 2 years ago
O yeah? What makes you think that? Because you claim moral high ground because you use sexism against him? Go listen to Randy Newman - Short People. Is that guy a racist? I challenge you to listen to that and then answer the question, is he a racist? Then maybe we can have a proper discussion.
philateliceun 2 years ago
Moral high ground? xD Morality has nothing to do with it: by definition, his statements are all sexist:
sex⋅ist - pertaining to, involving, or fostering sexism: a sexist remark.
sex⋅ism - attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
As for the song, it is satire: I certainly hope for the sake of what little credibility you might have left that you're not attempting to draw a correlation between the two.
TheGameJedi 2 years ago
Morality has nothing to do with it? You say it is immoral to use sexist remaks while I say it is moral to use it in certain context's. Just like the song, he uses racist remarks in a proper context where we don't see it as immoral. Making stereotype remarks in certain context is appropriate if the person has all the stereotype characteristic's. What is sexist is saying woman can't vote. Calling someone names in a discussion is not. Saying nigger is not racist, saying niggers leave is.
philateliceun 2 years ago
I'm sorry... when did I say that it was immoral to use sexist remarks? Oh, wait... I didn't. I merely pointed out that he was making sexist remarks, and I stand by that.
You are the one that brought morality into this, not me. I merely pointed out that his comments were, in fact, sexist... and they are.
As for that, it's up to each individual to determine where to draw that line in the sand: just because you feel that it's acceptable within a specific context desn't mean that everyone will.
TheGameJedi 2 years ago
Fine. But I didn't clearly noticed you were only addressing the definition of his remarks so excuse me for the previous comments. I thought you also took on the stand that he uses sexist remarks and that it is wrong.
And still, in my opinion even the words themself's are irrelevant for sexism. Blondie could be a sexist remark but that would only derive from the context. calling an attractive but empty-headed young woman a bimbo is not sexism. Calling woman in general bimbos is, in my opinion.
philateliceun 2 years ago
If you're asking my personal opinion, then I would say that all discriminatory remarks are, to varying degrees, harmful... even with the best of intentions, with which the road to Hell is said to be paved.
As for the definition(s), I'll not argue those: they speak clearly for themselves. I will state, however, that for the girl in question to be considered a bimbo, by definition, she'd have to be attractive as well as empty-headed, and it is my opinion that she is far from attractive.
TheGameJedi 2 years ago
Very true. In fact, the woman TJ was talking about pretty much steriotyped herself, and TJ merely exploited it.
Its just like when African Americans act like gangsters, join gangs, listen to Rap, are uneducated, and use drugs. Then they wonder why they are constantly hated, put down, and thaught badly of by others and why cops show them no mercey. Get a clue right? Same implication with this 17 year old "princess" that TJ diddn't speak too fondly of.
evilnomad111 2 years ago
Jedi, what would make sense if the only insults TJ used were sexist. I went out of my way to get the insults that lazy spoke of so as to be fair in may characterization of what was said. As I said in previous comments, I'm not defending the manner in which TJ approached this, I'm saying that I don't think that anyone that has seen more than one of TJ's videos knows that he's actually pretty fair minded. Vulgar, but fair. As such I personally don't believe him to be a sexist. Opinion, sure.
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
I can't say with any certainty that TAA isn't sexist, but that's besides the point: whether or not he is in fact sexist, his words can (and have been) considered sexist... this was my point all along.
TheGameJedi 2 years ago
Certainly it is debatable which is why I made this vid in the first place. It seemed there was a debate as to whether TJ was being a sexist, and my opinion has, and still is, that he was just being the biggest asshole he could be at the time.
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
i like TJ and Gogreen18 but i think TJ was definitely right about this. TJ wasnt attacking women, he was attacking teenage girls and the stereotypes about them.
Ilikenuman 2 years ago
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mindmelt13 2 years ago
holy! your sexy! vids awesome, your prologue at the end was cool. enjoy your week! im a sub
shaktishiver 2 years ago
Laci pisses me off more than anyone else. Her "let's all be nice" movement needs to be squelched, and then beaten for insolence. She's a victim mentality enabler.
megamanium 2 years ago
The entire video is nothing but bull shit insults and name calling. Is that really all you got TJ? is that ALL?? Fuck man, get off youtube and go back to your couch and your x-box 360 and leave the world alone.
TheYToFFendeR 2 years ago
He is on edge right now so i think he will tone it down a little.But it has been a sick experance.
lamarridley2 2 years ago
another worthless response by the GREAT amazing atheist. how pathetic.
TheYToFFendeR 2 years ago
Considering the fact that Laci is ALWAYS being a condescending bitch to men, always trying to use shit like blowing out her lips to the size of a football pitch and shooting down her boobs, she has some nerve to call men sexist.
If you make out that you're stupid and use sex to sell yourself, you should expect to get sexism back.
molewizard 2 years ago
Someones producing her, I'm sure of it.
There is a older and more politically minded activist individual or network involved and she's there bubblehead bimbot sockpuppet for sure or kinda for sure.
Kinda like the begining sensation of the Obama girl and come to find out it was some balding guy that just hired a model to make his video.
I think someone is making insentitives for people to pwne anyone who is meaningly critical of Laci to be damaging to her also
You never know neo..
Curas1 2 years ago
Curas, I've watched Laci in her blogtv room live. Trust me, it's her. She's an organized, prepared, intelligent young student, and though I can't say I know for sure her videos on YouTube aren't 'produced' by some outside entity ... I am willing to bet my left pinky toe on it. I think that someone who doesn't know the difference between there and their judging Laci's knowledge or intelligence is as ironic and laughable as your conclusion that she is being 'produced' presumably by some old guy.
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
Oh so I say she's 'there' bubble headed sockpuppet instead of 'their' and my whole premise is now invalid ?
But ignoring the intellectual elitism and grammer Nazism, so you really saw her on live blog TV doing the same level of presentation quality material ?
I mean I did say I was sure of it and that was a poor choice of words because I was writing the way I would have spoke it, like 'oh I just Know it' but more like voicing a suspision than a fact
Social networking though is very real
Curas1 2 years ago
I'm a grammar (not grammer) Nazi ;P. I can't help it.
Sorry for being snobby, sometimes I disregard my IRL caution in interacting with people when online. I'm so used to commenting on political videos crying that we're becoming a socialist state that the insults just flow naturally. Your grammar doesn't invalidate your point, but you must understand that for perfectionist nerds like myself it does tug on my natural biases (sort of like a man talking down to a woman for Laci :x).
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
I'm a grammar (not grammer) Nazi ;P. I can't help it.
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LOL! I'm sorry I'm the worst speller in the world, I even tried using spell check as a grammar learning aid but to no avail.
I don't want to start about socialism or feminism because my rants always end up trailing off into the right even though I I try to be objective in all things.
I'm somewhere between Ayn Rand n Robert David Putnam, author of Bowling Alone.
My childhood influence was Rush 2112, a intro to Anthem.
Curas1 2 years ago
I disagree.
With low quality work like this, a lack of cinematic effect, and an outro that clearly doesn't match the quality or style of the rest of her videos (as well as her being overweight - Which she does not hide in EVERY video - Something I would expect a production company to reject), I doubt she is produced.
More likely, she's just experienced, and clever enough to realise she CAN use her sexuality to get the attention of sexists. She just doesn't realise the obvious flaw in this...
molewizard 2 years ago
LOL! maybe you are right, I guess I wasn't watching her very clearly after all, well anything but her tits hahahaa
you should check out boundless eyes video rebutals to her, it hilarious!
In truth I'm starting to have another suspision, I think some of these people are doing a little inprov theatre to generate some buzz
Curas1 2 years ago
Who's the racist chick? probably someone yet agian that didn't tow the liberal line and had some leftist ideocant slap that big all serving label on her.
I mean come on people there is a whole political spectrum right of center and some of it is truth even if it does offend you!
Of course if shes just ranting like a neo nazi well then, there it is.
Id like to hear what TJ's victim had to say and who cares if she was a skirt or not
cuz berry could give a crapola bout dat haha haha
Curas1 2 years ago
Very nice response,I agree.
lamarridley2 2 years ago
That of course was to Curas1 not to the video.
lamarridley2 2 years ago
Hey thanks, but I looked up apologetics the girl TJ was talking about and after a little digging I was disappointed in her.
Her original videos were reposted by someone under apologetics4her and it was like a lonelygirl hoax meets yes on 8 (the california ban on same sex amendment) because her later video were pretty much a lot slicker production than any 17yr old could do (kinda like laci's videos too).
Her father is on it and while it shouldn't matter, it makes me question why it does.
Curas1 2 years ago
Well the internet is full of phonies.
lamarridley2 2 years ago
I'm just kicking myself that I bought it hook, line and sinker and even made a damn support video about it! LOL!
I'm still a detractor of the homosexual agenda, I just believe in being objective in criticism and realistic in what possible kind of solution could ever come from it, if any.
I'm a atheist but not a anti theist and yet I feel played by a religious zealot, it's rare my ire ever falls from the left to the right but being played is being played
Besides bull just hurts the cause
Curas1 2 years ago
I know what you mean..iam alwys caught in the middle as i am a religous,but not a zealot.I keep getting told i ride the fence.maybe i have my doubts but i hold to religion as i have no where else to turn.
lamarridley2 2 years ago
lamar, your candid admission regarding your faith here is admirable. I feel like to some degree I can understand having a need for something and accepting a bad solution in lieu of no solution. The only advice I dare offer is to seek solace in your friends and family; therein you will always find purpose, love, reason for morality, acceptance, judgement, etc. If you have a strong relationship with people you love and trust then you will get the feedback you need for better or worse.
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
"I'm still a detractor of the homosexual agenda"
I don't understand your position, would you clarify? What is the "homosexual agenda," and when you say you believe in objective criticism can you provide an example that applies to this case ('homosexual agenda')?
I must say, your use of the word "solution" in this context immediately made me think of Hitler's final solution. Please tell me you're not talking about homosexuality itself as a problem in need of some solution?
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
The term homosexual agenda was coined by the family research council in 1992 as the gay agenda and I'm reading right out of wiki as I read it then.
The base of the belief in the gay agenda is the Christian right and I imagine white power groups also.
As a social conservative atheist (I'm economically progressive) I chose the word solution for a reference to what GWB (dubya) said "What's your solution" ?
In other words criticism isn't enough, libs n cons need open dialog, not fascism.
Curas1 2 years ago
Oh sorry if I'm overposting on your reply page (is that wrong ?) but I just wanted to be really clear where I stand on civil liberties.
What I am against most is the culture war and polarization, so while I am a social conservative I see it's pitfalls & the pitfalls of all extremist views even though I am not a centralist or moderate.
I do not believe in white power, racial supremacy, segregation or any ism that has a parochial view or subjective practices.
But my views still are not PC
Curas1 2 years ago
Curas, what evidence do you have that someone is helping with the 'production' of apologetics and/or Laci's videos? If you are working solely on the premise that people under some age (say 20) are incapable of either producing quality media or learning to do the aforementioned trivial task ... then I encourage you to examine the prejudices that would lead you to believe your conclusion. Further, given someone is helping Apologetics, why do you think it's her father in particular?
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
Thank you for asking that because here is where the rabbit hole gets deep and twisted.
I don't want to name names but I ran into two youtubers lacis age that basically say they will pwne anyone critical of her.
One of those teens refuted apologetics validity and the video on her return supported it to me.
The other reason I'm suspicious (but not convinced) is technical,for quality production takes knowledge through study and good equipment, that takes time to learn and acquire
maybe
Curas1 2 years ago
Apologetics co-produces her videos with her father - He often emails people who message her on her behalf.
All fan input is screened by him, as far as we can tell.
As for Laci, I agree that it's likely she isn't produced.
I believe he worked it out from the outro, though, which is obviously professionally produced.
No doubt a 17 year old COULD make one like that, but it seems, from the style/quality of the rest of the videos, that she got it done for her.
But a logo doesn't mean she's produced.
molewizard 2 years ago
I should have just said thank you, so thank you very much.
Curas1 2 years ago
LACI IS A LITTLE WHINY CUNT, she can go back sucking dicks for bucks.
PacifistShotgun 2 years ago
There, you see personal attacks.Not a response to the topic,just attack the person.
lamarridley2 2 years ago
Eat my ass ya fuckin' yankee cunt
PacifistShotgun 2 years ago
I was born and raised in Georgia so fuck you.
lamarridley2 2 years ago
And look, douchebag, EVERYONE knows that TJ uses graphic language, THATS HIS STYLE. If you like all substance and no style then unsubscribe and kindly fuck off, we are doing really fucking well without you whining little faggots that jump on every curse word. And HOW FUCKING DARE YOU say that TJ has NO substance, he has both! He isn't just calling names. But you're only looking for that and nothing else. So fuck you, and go back to your poor fucking nowhere country ya fuckin' cunty CUNT.
PacifistShotgun 2 years ago
TJ can be annoying, and I hate his attacks on people who are not doing anything wrong. His remark on her camera angle was fucking stupid and irrelevant imo. I think he needs to grow up, I like when he attacks people points, but not the person for no fucking reason.
You say Laci needs to grow up, you clearly don't know TJ, he needs to grow up. Haft of the Atheist on Youtube doesn't even like him.
Now im a sub of TJ and enjoy his videos, but sometimes he can be annoying.
R3APER24 2 years ago
"You say Laci needs to grow up, you clearly don't know TJ"
Non-sequitur.
I never said that TJ is a bastion of reason. My point is simply that it's TJ's modus operandi to attack every single bit of a person during pwnage. This is his idea of pwnage. When he attacks NVP he calls his fat ... where is Laci's crying moaning video on that? Laci showed one of her heart strings here; it's as simple as that. To expect respectful commentary from TJ is to set yourself up for failure.
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
I don't think she made a video about TJ attacks on NVP image because frankly it has nothing to do with her. I think ur comment on her needing to grow up is not valid, she had a reason to get annoyed. TJ made statements about her that was irrelevant. I can see if he attacked her points or views in a video but it was kinda random and came out of left field. He needs to grow up, and I think she was pissed because it was pointless. Every1 is getting annoyed with TJ thats why people emotions showing.
R3APER24 2 years ago
That is true he has never been kind to anyone in response to articulate level headed approach to a topic.
lamarridley2 2 years ago
I like Laci, but she seems to be a serious drama queen.
It's not like it was the end of the world or anything.
Cyberbullying? Maybe it's because I've been online since 1982, but harsh words and nasty attitudes don't really do much. Lets pretend for a moment that the AA was cursing me out, how can that really hurt me? It doesn't even frighten me a little. Can cursing and yelling really be considered cyberbullying when you can just op to not watch the video?
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago 2
and one can really only be bullied when one can't escape the situation.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
No that is not the way TJ always talks. He always exaggerates how displeased he is with people and how stupid they are compared to him - but that's okay because those are caricatures based on truth. There is no doubt the girl he attacked is a bitch but TJ described some qualities in her that were false and irrelevant. Laci took some comments out of context but too bad! TJ was insulting and he knew it. Judging Laci's motives for having an odd cam angle is not an appropriate response! TJ is wrong.
tempo3rd 2 years ago
Laci rocks forever, your nothing special at all
imflyinn 2 years ago
... and you're illiterate. The difference between our claims? I have evidence, and you have an opinion that seems oddly similar to a doe eyed creationist in that it is qualified with a word like "forever." If Laci started singing country would she still rock?
Besides, my mom says I'm special ;(.
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
I echo this sentiment.
Laci rocks...you do not.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. —Gandhi
cold6001 2 years ago
I like Laci. She's easy on the eyes. And she's becoming the next boxxy via 4chan.
I don't like TAA because he's become a pre-madonna bitch who now refuses to look at comments because people critique him. BOO FUCKIN HOO.
invisiblekid2100x2 2 years ago 2
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I think I'm starting to like Laci. I hadn't subscribed to her before because I thought she was just a pair of breasts and a pretty face, devoid of any common sense.
I think I'll give her a try. Ahem... I mean I think I'll sub her '~'
Tineafa 2 years ago
I don't know much about Laci but she seems OK - however she needs to chill the fuck out slightly. h
trooperJac 2 years ago 3
You mean the amazing jackass. This guy I totally obnoxious. If I were a christian, I would hold him up as a poster child for reasons not to be an atheist.
theshadowify 2 years ago
While that song is playing, Gogreen is angry about something. Who is she talking to and why?
truthforchrist 2 years ago
Epic. thats all there is to say
tubefiteen1 2 years ago
I hear ya, rofl, this video was great
WoWBoy789 2 years ago
Buddy this is what YouTube is all about. I spent about 3 hours making that, and I consider this a hobby. What do you do for fun? I'm sure it's trivial in some way, so follow your own advice - stop wasting your time watching and commenting on meaningless videos. What the hell do you get out of potinf that comment anyway? Really?
joshTheGoods 2 years ago
Three hours to make that, thats pretty good man. Kudos to you..
Curas1 2 years ago
No, MrWrong... No.
RainMan34 2 years ago 4
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i agree with MrRight! GET A FREAKIN LIFE!
Sixflags1234567 2 years ago
I can't here a word you're saying but I bet it was dissen the amzing athiest if it was fuck you if not sorry =3
ChaosBW 2 years ago 3
"Sexism, a term coined in the late 20th century, refers to the belief or attitude that one gender or sex is inferior to or less valuable than the other. It can also refer to hatred of, or prejudice towards, either sex as a whole (see misogyny and misandry), or the application of stereotypes of masculinity in relation to men, or of femininity in relation to women." There were stereotypes involved. I'm not saying TJ is sexist but he won't hesitate to say sexist things to stir up drama. Pathetic.
Orygyn 3 years ago
I'm willing to.
JealousInquiry 2 years ago
try bnylons, OPINIONATED GLENN on youtube. this guy has got a lot to say and you might just like of of his clips
bnylons 3 years ago
Laci really needs to stop using her boobs in an argument. It makes her seem like a mega-huge SLUT!
KathyGurl14 3 years ago 7
These two need to set up on a date. They'll probably fall into each others arms and cry.
sweetsweatyfeet 3 years ago
nO!!! i would be so jealous. i'm slightly infatuated with the amazing atheist....
PrettyNormalWeirdo 3 years ago
I'm slightly infatuated with that Laci girl. She can fall into my arms and cry any time.
olliegibbons 3 years ago
I agree with the Amazing Atheist is a douche.
I dont think its about being mean though, i just think it distracts from the point.
I mean, stick with boobs? That has nothing to do with the argument at hand : religion.
And its stupid that Laci gets attacked.
In the end TAA and Laci have the same fucking views.
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU FIGHTING?!
It's stupid.
ChuckHitler 3 years ago
Laci is a whining bitch. Sexism is defined as regarding the opposite gender as inferior in some way. Insults and personal attacks just because she is female do NOT amount to sexism.
Imo Laci got what she desrved.
refuckulate420 3 years ago
The amazing atheist
Philosophytheequinox 3 years ago
Good video. Nice point.
PlanetHendrix 3 years ago
I agree that some of what TJ said was offensive. My point is that his actions were par for the course. It's as if I hit somebody with my car and they respond by calling me the N-word. I don't like it, but I understand. Now, if I ran that person over BECAUSE of their skin tone THAT would be racist. Likewise for sexism, when one attempts to be rude and offensive as a rebuke then it is hardly damning proof of sexism. At best it proves TJ is unsympathetic.
Kudos to Laci for speaking up regardless.
joshTheGoods 3 years ago
she's a whiny bitch
BELACSAMOHT 3 years ago
I've unsubscribed from gogreen18, she's become an affected attention-whore with a massive chip on her shoulder, and these latest drama queen videos reflect a complete look-at-me philosophy.
Not surprising really, when people reach a celebrity status, they can become pretentious. As a role reversal from her mormon past, laci now proudly presides over a very large mouth and an excessively libertarian outlook.
lonerook860 3 years ago 7
cool vid man, i actually thought it was a taa vid when i clicked on it cuz of the thumb nail, and i was like a min in when i realized LOL.
i loved it though. the montage was fun to watch. :)
good choice of music too, the contrast was like a slap in the face.
Laartu 3 years ago
I'm on TJ's side, there was nothing wrong with what he did imo.
edmanrapperu 3 years ago
No partnership for me, sony gets to do that because I used Cry Me a River.
Thanks for the compliment. It means a lot coming from the likes of you ;). I was just messing around with the software on this one, but I'm thinking of doing another where I take some time to really plan it out and sync it up.
joshTheGoods 3 years ago