As awesome as this is you cant really argue with the finished product they released in the end. They still used most of the themes cut a few cool riffs and sections but the result was a prog metal masterpiece, it could be worse imagine a world with no Metropolis part 2 atoll or part 1, haha!
@talivan0009 Derek might have been a refill, but you can't deny that his lasting influence helped shape DT into the band they are now. Also, without his optimism, the band would never have survived the production hell surrounding Falling into Infinity.
Plus he wrote two of the best DT songs ever (Lines in the Sand and Raise The Knife)
Just to throw in my opinion on this argument going on here; I'd be supporting JRF. TNA, you say the harmonic content is off but unfortunately you haven't provided any opposing claims to what it is; and since the burden of negative proof is on you if you say "Oh I can't be bothered" then as it is the internet knows you're merely full of bullshit.
to this day i wonder whether and in what way the story and specific lyrics of Metropolis I and II are symbolic. opinions, thoughts, suggestions anyone? this has genuinely been bugging me x) furthermore, awesome piece- but that was to be expected.
I CANNOT BELIEVE that Sherinian didn't get an iota of writing credit on SFAM...this proves that most the critical themes for the album were written WELL BEFORE Rudess joined the band.
@ybrehtar13 That is patently wrong- The portion from 1:07 to 3:27 is nearly an exact replica of what became Overture 1928...the section from 3:28 to 5:06 is essentially Strange Deja Vu. Other portions later on contain snippets/riffs that were later used as well. Bottom line: NONE of this came thematically from Metropolis Pt. 1.
@JazzzRockFuzion How does that contradict with what I said? I meant that many melodies of this demo version and the actual album version are straight from Metropolis pt 1. Anyone who knows the songs can hear that. Yes, there are many parts which are new, but how do you know which one is composed by Sherinian?
@travelnorthamerica If you want to get into a debate here, I'm game my friend. I have a music performance degree and will be happy to break down the harmonic/melodic structure of both Metropolis 1 and this Metropolis 2 demo. There are literally NO shared materials between the two songs...keep in mind, I'm NOT talking about the ALBUM (Scenes From A Memory) which references plenty of moments from Pt. 1. But THIS demo shares Z-E-R-O musical material with Metropolis Pt. 1.
@travelnorthamerica Yeah, that part is 1:1 replica of the vocal melody in Metropolis part 1. You have to be literally deaf not to hear that. "I have a music performance degree" LOL.
@ybrehtar13 Yeah, thought you should know that your buddy "avidmoviefan" is the same guy as "travelnorthamerica", trolling this video under two different YouTube accounts. I know if I were him, I'd be AWFULLY embarrassed right now. Go ahead and check out both his channels...it's painfully obvious, and pathetic.
Feel free to browse my channel, which clearly lists my credentials, features over 30 drum/guitar/bass lessons and performances, including a Mike Portnoy drum tutorial with 11,000+ views
@avidmoviefan ok i dont understand why you need to get an attitude. and from your explanation i still dont understand why sherinian didnt get any writing credit. if he helped compose a song, then why doesnt he have writing credit? and why doesnt moore have writing credit as well based on what you're saying?
@JThrashYT Songwriting credits don't work the way most people think they do. Contributing lines to an existing song does not legally constitute writing a song. Traditionally the arranger and the lyricist get the credit. Adding your individual instrument to an existing arrangement does not earn you credit. I assure you that if Dream Theater owed Sherinian or Moore royalties there would have been a protracted legal battle. There wasn't. And yes, both songs are based on the same music.
@travelnorthamerica While your synopsis of songwriting credits is accurate, you're assuming a lot about this situation...1) you're assuming that Sherinian did no more than contribute minimal lines or simply add keyboards to pre-written music. You don't know this and never will- realistically, the opposite is the case. 2) Derek Sherinian v. Dream Theater in court would be a losing battle from the start for Derek. Most likely he simply avoided the hassle, financial and otherwise.
@JazzzRockFuzion You are also assuming that I don't personally know Derek. I have a friend in Cleveland who is doing a side project with him. I assure you he didn't write any of the bulk of the song--as he wasn't a full member of the band yet. I don't make assumptions, and I'm not even going to argue theory with you. It wold be like punching a baby.
@travelnorthamerica Last comment I am posting here. After this, you're talking to yourself:
1) Derek doesn't do "side projects". He's in a little band called Black Country Communion (with Joe Bonamassa and Jason Bonham) that's been recording and touring for the last year and 1/2. Before that was Billy Idol tours, and playing with Planet X and Yngwie Malmsteen. Nice story bro.
2) I accurately analyzed the harmonic content of Metropolis 1; you responded by being a keyboard warrior. You mad bro?
@JazzzRockFuzion Again your harmonic content is so far off that explaining why would be like punching a baby. You obviously don't have a base level understanding of composition so I'm just ignoring you. And yes, I know Derek, and he does do side projects. He was working with Chris Imlay of the band Prism Theory out of Cleveland for awhile. Dude, you are nobody.
@ybrehtar13 What is even funnier is that he sent me a private message bragging about his show he has coming up in front of 800 people and he is "BBQ'ing" me with his technical knowledge. I sent him a message back asking him where his show was so I could beat his ass and take his guitar in front of his fans.
@JazzzRockFuzion What is more entertasining here is in the "Mike Portnoy FAQ on his dot com MIke himself says, "We built the Album scenes from a memory directly from the demo version that is circulating on the internet." Dude, don't come to a gun fight with a knife. Spouting off bullshit on a Dream Theater video is the EXACT way to get your ass handed to you by educated musicians. "music performance." cute.
@avidmoviefan What's EXTREMELY entertaining (and ignorant) on your part is that you incredibly, laughably, JUST SUPPORTED WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG!! Go back to my FIRST COMMENT. I try to explain that this demo shares ALMOST EVERYTHING with SFAM, and VERY LITTLE with METROPOLIS 1.
The debate is about THIS DEMO vs. METROPOLIS 1...
Yeah, the "gun" you brought to the gunfight is like the clown gun that says "Bang" when you shoot it. Idiot...
@JazzzRockFuzion No, you said (exact quote) "There are literally NO shared materials between the two songs...keep in mind, I'm NOT talking about the ALBUM (Scenes From A Memory) which references plenty of moments from Pt. 1. But THIS demo shares Z-E-R-O musical material with Metropolis Pt. 1." And now you say (exact quote) "I try to explain that this demo shares ALMOST EVERYTHING with SFAM, and VERY LITTLE with METROPOLIS 1." "Z-E-R-O" is totally different than "VERY LITTLE" :D
@avidmoviefan This is my last post here; I made a simple statement about Derek Sherinian not get any writing credits for Scenes From A Memory, even though this demo shares 80% of its music with that album...and then people start trolling me about how "it all came from Metropolis 1 anyway!" which is patently untrue, as I have painstakingly explained below, multiple times. I'm not going round and round with ignorant people who post "anonymous" responses under different YouTube accts. Cheers.
@ybrehtar13 His "Music Performance Degree"--Just a hint, if you are going to lie at least do it correctly, a performance degree is always preceded by your principle instrument. I.E. Guitar Performance. Anyone with a degree knows that melodies can evolve into multiple permutations leading to other melodies that do not possess the same content as the original line. Just because you don't hear the melodies--and the obvious key structure from the original running in the background-- nevermind.
@avidmoviefan My PERCUSSION PERFORMANCE DEGREE is from Western Michigan University (2006), where I studied drum set, classical percussion and ethnic percussion- including courses in music history from pre-Roman up to 20th Century Serial tone-row classical music. I studied both classical and jazz theory/harmony extensively for over four years, including arranging jazz charts for a 16-piece Big Band. I've also been a performing, recording and teaching guitarist and electric bassist for 15 years.
@avidmoviefan My PERCUSSION PERFORMANCE DEGREE is from Western Michigan University (2006), where I studied drum set, classical percussion and ethnic percussion- including courses in music history from pre-Roman up to 20th Century Serial tone-row classical music. I studied both classical and jazz theory/harmony extensively for over four years, including arranging jazz charts for a 16-piece Big Band. I've also been a performing, recording and teaching guitarist and electric bassist for 15 years.
@avidmoviefan Anyone with a music degree (which you certainly don't appear to have, or USE at any rate) can hear that this demo is in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KEY with no substantial developmental or thematic material from Metropolis 1. This demo quotes Metropolis 1 THREE BRIEF TIMES. Here they are: 2:19, where Petrucci quotes a vocal melody. 5:56 and 9:46, when Sherinian quotes the staccato keyboard motif from the original. These three quotes comprise less than one minute of this demo.
@JazzzRockFuzion You know, if you had a degree in music you would know that i have a degree in music. You would have looked at my channel and saw that I am a working filmmaker and composer that lives off of his album sales royalties traveling around the country making TV shows. The bottom line is that you can yell and scream all you want but it doesn't make anything you are saying true. You know that right? No one here believes you.
@JazzzRockFuzion So MIke Portnoy explaining that they are both in the same key in the FAQ... nevermind. Everyone, if you want to know the truth about this song take it from Mike Portnoy not some idiot YouTube user. Also, it took me a minute but this is the same guy who has the Eponymous album that has been spamming everyone on youtube for the last year begging them to listen, yet... still no record deal? LOL this dude sucks, bad.
@avidmoviefan MP NEVER says Metropolis 1 and this demo are in the same key. In SFAM Question #7 on his FAQ, MP says, "When we wrote Overture 1928, we consciously began it's FIRST CHORD the same as the last chord of Metropolis, which is a "D". Let's talk specifics: Metropolis 1 key centers are: E mi (start-2:32); B mi (2:33-3:22); E mi (3:23-4:12); B mi (4:13-4:58); A- G- F- F# Lydian (4:59-6:22); E mi [Lydian melody] (6:23-7:04); atonal (7:05-8:00); B mi (8:01-8:40); Bb ma- F ma- D (8:41-end)
@JazzzRockFuzion Thus, Metropolis 1 has nothing whatsoever to do with D Major except for the VERY LAST chord. In turn, DT intentionally began this demo (and subsequently Overture 1928) in the key of D Lydian for continuity-sake.
Proving yet AGAIN (anyone else here getting some "Strange deja vu"?!) that avidmoviefan is either a pathological liar, utterly confused, or both...
@avidmoviefan Yeah, I'm thinking pathological liar for you, since I only posted my band's recent album on my profile page less than six months ago (in a tiny link), and have never sent anyone a single message, link or comment on YouTube to promote it...so as much as you'd like to defame my character by saying I "spammed everyone for the last year", it doesn't hold water, bud. Furthermore, ONE of my drum tutorials has more views than all your channel and documentary videos combined. Tough break.
@JazzzRockFuzion Yet, the behind the scenes episode for my show I do is posted on my account. And no one in the industry gives a fuck about your YouTube views. Again, if you want to talk views there junior lets talk Neilsen numbers, that is what my art is counted in. You are a rank ametuer and your endless rants that I'm not even reading prove that. Get some help.
@avidmoviefan I'm getting pretty fatigued with this back-and-forth (as I'm sure you are also). While it's apparent that this debate is not going anywhere productive, I think the important thing to remember at the end of the day is that we are both Dream Theater fans. I harbor no personal ill-will toward you and genuinely wish you the best in your career- in film, music or both. The band has just put out a fantastic new record with a world-class drummer and that's what we should be focusing on!
@JThrashYT and MIke Portnoy proves in his FAQ on his site that both of you who agree are dead wrong. Read it. It is always entertaining to see someone agree with someone else who obviously know noting about what he is talking about. The blind leading the blind.
@avidmoviefan what are you talking about?? i was replying to jazzz's comment about derek sherinian not getting any writing credit for the album. don't be an ass when you dont know what YOU're talking about.
I find FIF to be very good too. Demoes like this demonstrate they were strugling with the label. It's also great to see that Derek contributed some good melodies to DTs future work.
@Hayacafrita Falling into Infinity was a great album. Lines in the Sand, Trial of Tears, Take away the pain, Id take it over systematic chaos any day.
man this shit dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Hahaha oh wow. I can't believe someone dares to say that Falling Into Infinity doesn't have good songs. That album is really an underated masterpiece after all. Aside from You Not Me and Just let me Breath, FIF is freaking Goddish.
falling into infinity is dts most underrated album its one of dts best albums, to me it is the best no question and if you listen to the demos youll understand that as well
God I'm so glad this song wasn't on Falling Into Infinity. It would have been the only good song on the whole album...
Not to put down Dream Theater. SFaM was their best album. And it looks like they were about to make it only a song on their worst album. Just the thought makes me shiver...
@masssiiiii No it's what it would have been if they hadnt have dumped Sherinian... :/ Ugh.. its so ordinary hahah so glad Rudess was on board to make that one.
I hope that Portnoy come back in 1 year or 2 to Dream Theater to make Metropolis, Part 3 =X, imagine if that happends will be the fucking greatest epic epilogue of Dream Theater x), i just hope Portnoy come back ='(
I personally liked Derek Sherinians sound on this album, I kinda wish they kept him along with recruiting Jordan Rudess. It would have seriously made the band alot more proggy than metal of late... IMO. The extra space in this recording is nice, lets the drum breathe and the guitar tone is absolutely crushing.
thumbs up if you think there should be a "metropolis part III: a visions of the future" dream theater's 2nd concept album! notice how at 7:05 in 'finally free' they say "we'll meet again my friend, someday soon" maybe i'm completely overanalysing this... but maybe not ;)
@MyMytalMajesty it was a suggestion. Maybe I'm too hard, but that's just cause I love them really, they're the only ones who give me the power to carry on and if someone says something bad about them, I do what I can to defend, sorry if I looked angry
@MyMytalMajesty I've seen the live at Download festival, and I can't explain why Labrie's voice sucked so much, but this has been a time. He's much better, I saw them live in October 2009 and he didn't miss a note... and they also played Take the time, Voices. Also if you see their live before Dowload festival his voice was also good, for what happened and for how he forced it. In my opinion, everyone just makes it's opinion for a single video or something he heard...
You can't tell, the band might have fallen apart due to complicated things in the band, also, Rudess is now longer in Dream Theater than Moore was, Moore came in 1986 and left in 1994, Rudess came in 1998, and he is in the band now, this lineup: Portnoy,Labrie,Myung,Petrucci and Rudess, is the bes lineupt in my opinion,
@MyMytalMajesty yeah but Kevin Moore continues to deny his past in what Dream Theater is concerned. I don't get why though. I wish he would give some info on that since even the band members don't quite get it either
If most of these parts ended up on "Scenes From a Memory" album, it would have been cool to take those parts and actually make a studio song of Metropolis part 2 :)
This is the demo of Metropolis pt. 2 with the former keyborder, Derek. This demo was changed until obtain the masterpiece, Metropolis, Pt.2: Scenes From a Memory, that you listen. I heard things of many songs, for example 'One last time'.
This sin't really a masterpiece. Really the fact that this didn't make it onto Falling into Infinity is a blessing; if it weren't for that then Scenes from a Memory as an album wouldn't have been released, and that my friends is a masterpiece.
an incredible insight into the days before scenes from a memory came out in 1999. i wasnt aware what would be a familiar basis for the 1999 record, was written with derek! i always assumed part 2 was a fresh slate and penned from scratch when the time came with JR, amazing to think the basis for overture, strange deja vu etc was written back when FII was being wrote. just amazing
have you taken leave of your senses? pt 2 is commonly refered to "as good as queensryche pink floyd and genisis" and is also probably 7/10 dt fans favourite dt cd
I'm pretty sure Myung didn't go *back* to Music Man (his main bass around WDADU was a heavily modified MM StingRay) until 6DOIT when the studio footage showed a new StingRay 5-string among his Yamahas, Chapman Stick, and 12-string (4-string with 2 Octave strings) that he recorded the title track with and then had his Yamaha made into a StingRay wannabe (the Flat Silver six-string with the MM-like Humbucker near the bridge). His are also stock - nothing custom about them, just excellent basses.
As awesome as this is you cant really argue with the finished product they released in the end. They still used most of the themes cut a few cool riffs and sections but the result was a prog metal masterpiece, it could be worse imagine a world with no Metropolis part 2 atoll or part 1, haha!
Lunix2112 1 month ago
Sincerely I prefer Jordan Rudess in keyboards in this demo, Derek was only refill
talivan0009 2 months ago
@talivan0009 Derek might have been a refill, but you can't deny that his lasting influence helped shape DT into the band they are now. Also, without his optimism, the band would never have survived the production hell surrounding Falling into Infinity.
Plus he wrote two of the best DT songs ever (Lines in the Sand and Raise The Knife)
ZachValkyrie 1 month ago
@ZachValkyrie i didnt mind the production on that album, except for the vocals
JoeyThe14th 3 weeks ago
this is awsomes idont care wat any one says the timing is impecable this most be studio made
SuperShane1919 2 months ago
this is really cool
GabGabAuJous 2 months ago
What was the producer thinking when they took this off the album?
BinaryPill 2 months ago
@BinaryPill eehhm well, instead of this we got scenes from a memory. i dont complain
nominein 2 months ago
@BinaryPill This joint is freaking awesome, I think I have to kill that dragon
petack 2 months ago
@BinaryPill They thought it wouldn't be a commercial success. Too bad for them. xD
tesfan4evr 1 month ago
jelek banget... its a fake... cmiiw
gangsarswapurba 3 months ago
@gangsarswapurba its fake
IVANGEBER 3 weeks ago
@IVANGEBER yeah, i think so
gangsarswapurba 3 weeks ago
@IVANGEBER yeah, i think so
gangsarswapurba 3 weeks ago
This is awful...
PwnYouAtSoccer 3 months ago
Just to throw in my opinion on this argument going on here; I'd be supporting JRF. TNA, you say the harmonic content is off but unfortunately you haven't provided any opposing claims to what it is; and since the burden of negative proof is on you if you say "Oh I can't be bothered" then as it is the internet knows you're merely full of bullshit.
A hilarious read, both of you.
SolarionSeadragon 3 months ago
I like this version.
TheAdam159 4 months ago
While this is still good, I'm thankful it never got released. Nothing compares to the pure majesty of Scenes From A Memory.
DMXP100 5 months ago
nice to see Derek on it.
themkrr 5 months ago
CAn I get a download link for the full song?
vega3410 5 months ago
@8855881 yea, I didn't care for it either, although it was interesting, also, if they didn't make SfaM, they probably wouldn't be a band anymore.
DustinShaneYounce 6 months ago
Better than the SFAM versio.
Sage80 7 months ago
So good it hurts. I'm considering playing this live with my band.
SurpriseCadence 7 months ago
to this day i wonder whether and in what way the story and specific lyrics of Metropolis I and II are symbolic. opinions, thoughts, suggestions anyone? this has genuinely been bugging me x) furthermore, awesome piece- but that was to be expected.
pantalaemon 7 months ago
@pantalaemon look up Metropolis pt2. on wikipedia, the whole story is explained there
DustinShaneYounce 6 months ago
I CANNOT BELIEVE that Sherinian didn't get an iota of writing credit on SFAM...this proves that most the critical themes for the album were written WELL BEFORE Rudess joined the band.
JazzzRockFuzion 8 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion Well, almost all of the main themes are lifted from Metropolis pt 1 so the credit wouldn´t actually belong to Sherinan either.
ybrehtar13 6 months ago
@ybrehtar13 That is patently wrong- The portion from 1:07 to 3:27 is nearly an exact replica of what became Overture 1928...the section from 3:28 to 5:06 is essentially Strange Deja Vu. Other portions later on contain snippets/riffs that were later used as well. Bottom line: NONE of this came thematically from Metropolis Pt. 1.
JazzzRockFuzion 6 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion How does that contradict with what I said? I meant that many melodies of this demo version and the actual album version are straight from Metropolis pt 1. Anyone who knows the songs can hear that. Yes, there are many parts which are new, but how do you know which one is composed by Sherinian?
ybrehtar13 5 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion every riff in this song is a thematic development from the first one... lol
travelnorthamerica 4 months ago
@travelnorthamerica If you want to get into a debate here, I'm game my friend. I have a music performance degree and will be happy to break down the harmonic/melodic structure of both Metropolis 1 and this Metropolis 2 demo. There are literally NO shared materials between the two songs...keep in mind, I'm NOT talking about the ALBUM (Scenes From A Memory) which references plenty of moments from Pt. 1. But THIS demo shares Z-E-R-O musical material with Metropolis Pt. 1.
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
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travelnorthamerica 4 months ago
@travelnorthamerica Yeah, that part is 1:1 replica of the vocal melody in Metropolis part 1. You have to be literally deaf not to hear that. "I have a music performance degree" LOL.
ybrehtar13 4 months ago
@ybrehtar13 Also 1:04 and 5:56 are straight from Pt 1.
ybrehtar13 4 months ago
@ybrehtar13 Yeah, thought you should know that your buddy "avidmoviefan" is the same guy as "travelnorthamerica", trolling this video under two different YouTube accounts. I know if I were him, I'd be AWFULLY embarrassed right now. Go ahead and check out both his channels...it's painfully obvious, and pathetic.
Feel free to browse my channel, which clearly lists my credentials, features over 30 drum/guitar/bass lessons and performances, including a Mike Portnoy drum tutorial with 11,000+ views
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
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avidmoviefan 4 months ago
@avidmoviefan hey so seriously, why were you talking shit to me? i don't understand.
JThrashYT 4 months ago
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avidmoviefan 4 months ago
@avidmoviefan ok i dont understand why you need to get an attitude. and from your explanation i still dont understand why sherinian didnt get any writing credit. if he helped compose a song, then why doesnt he have writing credit? and why doesnt moore have writing credit as well based on what you're saying?
JThrashYT 4 months ago
@JThrashYT Songwriting credits don't work the way most people think they do. Contributing lines to an existing song does not legally constitute writing a song. Traditionally the arranger and the lyricist get the credit. Adding your individual instrument to an existing arrangement does not earn you credit. I assure you that if Dream Theater owed Sherinian or Moore royalties there would have been a protracted legal battle. There wasn't. And yes, both songs are based on the same music.
travelnorthamerica 4 months ago
@travelnorthamerica thank you for giving your imput without being an ass. much appreciated.
JThrashYT 4 months ago
@travelnorthamerica While your synopsis of songwriting credits is accurate, you're assuming a lot about this situation...1) you're assuming that Sherinian did no more than contribute minimal lines or simply add keyboards to pre-written music. You don't know this and never will- realistically, the opposite is the case. 2) Derek Sherinian v. Dream Theater in court would be a losing battle from the start for Derek. Most likely he simply avoided the hassle, financial and otherwise.
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion You are also assuming that I don't personally know Derek. I have a friend in Cleveland who is doing a side project with him. I assure you he didn't write any of the bulk of the song--as he wasn't a full member of the band yet. I don't make assumptions, and I'm not even going to argue theory with you. It wold be like punching a baby.
travelnorthamerica 4 months ago
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JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@travelnorthamerica Last comment I am posting here. After this, you're talking to yourself:
1) Derek doesn't do "side projects". He's in a little band called Black Country Communion (with Joe Bonamassa and Jason Bonham) that's been recording and touring for the last year and 1/2. Before that was Billy Idol tours, and playing with Planet X and Yngwie Malmsteen. Nice story bro.
2) I accurately analyzed the harmonic content of Metropolis 1; you responded by being a keyboard warrior. You mad bro?
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion Again your harmonic content is so far off that explaining why would be like punching a baby. You obviously don't have a base level understanding of composition so I'm just ignoring you. And yes, I know Derek, and he does do side projects. He was working with Chris Imlay of the band Prism Theory out of Cleveland for awhile. Dude, you are nobody.
travelnorthamerica 4 months ago
@ybrehtar13 What is even funnier is that he sent me a private message bragging about his show he has coming up in front of 800 people and he is "BBQ'ing" me with his technical knowledge. I sent him a message back asking him where his show was so I could beat his ass and take his guitar in front of his fans.
travelnorthamerica 4 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion Also at 2:19 they reference the first two notes of Pt. 1 when the guitars come in. Just putting that out there.
dc17commando 4 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion What is more entertasining here is in the "Mike Portnoy FAQ on his dot com MIke himself says, "We built the Album scenes from a memory directly from the demo version that is circulating on the internet." Dude, don't come to a gun fight with a knife. Spouting off bullshit on a Dream Theater video is the EXACT way to get your ass handed to you by educated musicians. "music performance." cute.
avidmoviefan 4 months ago
@avidmoviefan What's EXTREMELY entertaining (and ignorant) on your part is that you incredibly, laughably, JUST SUPPORTED WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG!! Go back to my FIRST COMMENT. I try to explain that this demo shares ALMOST EVERYTHING with SFAM, and VERY LITTLE with METROPOLIS 1.
The debate is about THIS DEMO vs. METROPOLIS 1...
Yeah, the "gun" you brought to the gunfight is like the clown gun that says "Bang" when you shoot it. Idiot...
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
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@JazzzRockFuzion No, you said (exact quote) "There are literally NO shared materials between the two songs...keep in mind, I'm NOT talking about the ALBUM (Scenes From A Memory) which references plenty of moments from Pt. 1. But THIS demo shares Z-E-R-O musical material with Metropolis Pt. 1." And now you say (exact quote) "I try to explain that this demo shares ALMOST EVERYTHING with SFAM, and VERY LITTLE with METROPOLIS 1." "Z-E-R-O" is totally different than "VERY LITTLE" :D
ybrehtar13 4 months ago
@avidmoviefan This is my last post here; I made a simple statement about Derek Sherinian not get any writing credits for Scenes From A Memory, even though this demo shares 80% of its music with that album...and then people start trolling me about how "it all came from Metropolis 1 anyway!" which is patently untrue, as I have painstakingly explained below, multiple times. I'm not going round and round with ignorant people who post "anonymous" responses under different YouTube accts. Cheers.
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@ybrehtar13 His "Music Performance Degree"--Just a hint, if you are going to lie at least do it correctly, a performance degree is always preceded by your principle instrument. I.E. Guitar Performance. Anyone with a degree knows that melodies can evolve into multiple permutations leading to other melodies that do not possess the same content as the original line. Just because you don't hear the melodies--and the obvious key structure from the original running in the background-- nevermind.
avidmoviefan 4 months ago
@avidmoviefan My PERCUSSION PERFORMANCE DEGREE is from Western Michigan University (2006), where I studied drum set, classical percussion and ethnic percussion- including courses in music history from pre-Roman up to 20th Century Serial tone-row classical music. I studied both classical and jazz theory/harmony extensively for over four years, including arranging jazz charts for a 16-piece Big Band. I've also been a performing, recording and teaching guitarist and electric bassist for 15 years.
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
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@avidmoviefan My PERCUSSION PERFORMANCE DEGREE is from Western Michigan University (2006), where I studied drum set, classical percussion and ethnic percussion- including courses in music history from pre-Roman up to 20th Century Serial tone-row classical music. I studied both classical and jazz theory/harmony extensively for over four years, including arranging jazz charts for a 16-piece Big Band. I've also been a performing, recording and teaching guitarist and electric bassist for 15 years.
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@avidmoviefan Anyone with a music degree (which you certainly don't appear to have, or USE at any rate) can hear that this demo is in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KEY with no substantial developmental or thematic material from Metropolis 1. This demo quotes Metropolis 1 THREE BRIEF TIMES. Here they are: 2:19, where Petrucci quotes a vocal melody. 5:56 and 9:46, when Sherinian quotes the staccato keyboard motif from the original. These three quotes comprise less than one minute of this demo.
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion You know, if you had a degree in music you would know that i have a degree in music. You would have looked at my channel and saw that I am a working filmmaker and composer that lives off of his album sales royalties traveling around the country making TV shows. The bottom line is that you can yell and scream all you want but it doesn't make anything you are saying true. You know that right? No one here believes you.
avidmoviefan 4 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion So MIke Portnoy explaining that they are both in the same key in the FAQ... nevermind. Everyone, if you want to know the truth about this song take it from Mike Portnoy not some idiot YouTube user. Also, it took me a minute but this is the same guy who has the Eponymous album that has been spamming everyone on youtube for the last year begging them to listen, yet... still no record deal? LOL this dude sucks, bad.
avidmoviefan 4 months ago
@avidmoviefan MP NEVER says Metropolis 1 and this demo are in the same key. In SFAM Question #7 on his FAQ, MP says, "When we wrote Overture 1928, we consciously began it's FIRST CHORD the same as the last chord of Metropolis, which is a "D". Let's talk specifics: Metropolis 1 key centers are: E mi (start-2:32); B mi (2:33-3:22); E mi (3:23-4:12); B mi (4:13-4:58); A- G- F- F# Lydian (4:59-6:22); E mi [Lydian melody] (6:23-7:04); atonal (7:05-8:00); B mi (8:01-8:40); Bb ma- F ma- D (8:41-end)
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion Thus, Metropolis 1 has nothing whatsoever to do with D Major except for the VERY LAST chord. In turn, DT intentionally began this demo (and subsequently Overture 1928) in the key of D Lydian for continuity-sake.
Proving yet AGAIN (anyone else here getting some "Strange deja vu"?!) that avidmoviefan is either a pathological liar, utterly confused, or both...
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion and if it's a challenge you want there little guy... I'll post a guitar riff that you can't play, ever. I dare you to try. lol
travelnorthamerica 4 months ago
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JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@avidmoviefan Yeah, I'm thinking pathological liar for you, since I only posted my band's recent album on my profile page less than six months ago (in a tiny link), and have never sent anyone a single message, link or comment on YouTube to promote it...so as much as you'd like to defame my character by saying I "spammed everyone for the last year", it doesn't hold water, bud. Furthermore, ONE of my drum tutorials has more views than all your channel and documentary videos combined. Tough break.
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion Yet, the behind the scenes episode for my show I do is posted on my account. And no one in the industry gives a fuck about your YouTube views. Again, if you want to talk views there junior lets talk Neilsen numbers, that is what my art is counted in. You are a rank ametuer and your endless rants that I'm not even reading prove that. Get some help.
avidmoviefan 4 months ago
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JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
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JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@avidmoviefan I'm getting pretty fatigued with this back-and-forth (as I'm sure you are also). While it's apparent that this debate is not going anywhere productive, I think the important thing to remember at the end of the day is that we are both Dream Theater fans. I harbor no personal ill-will toward you and genuinely wish you the best in your career- in film, music or both. The band has just put out a fantastic new record with a world-class drummer and that's what we should be focusing on!
JazzzRockFuzion 4 months ago
@JazzzRockFuzion i agree with your assessment
JThrashYT 5 months ago
@JThrashYT and MIke Portnoy proves in his FAQ on his site that both of you who agree are dead wrong. Read it. It is always entertaining to see someone agree with someone else who obviously know noting about what he is talking about. The blind leading the blind.
avidmoviefan 4 months ago
@avidmoviefan what are you talking about?? i was replying to jazzz's comment about derek sherinian not getting any writing credit for the album. don't be an ass when you dont know what YOU're talking about.
JThrashYT 4 months ago
Now I wish people would get off Derek Sherinian's ass all the time. He rules!
linsk78 8 months ago
@linsk78 I like it more than JR
RigoStar 6 months ago
please, tell me where i can download this D: thanks!
HYPERDISTORTED 9 months ago
sounds just like the overture 1928
btevoxboy6835 11 months ago
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B0Ka3 6 months ago
why does it say it never saw the light of day, this was on scenes FAM.
Masterrese 11 months ago
I find FIF to be very good too. Demoes like this demonstrate they were strugling with the label. It's also great to see that Derek contributed some good melodies to DTs future work.
Hayacafrita 11 months ago
@Hayacafrita Falling into Infinity was a great album. Lines in the Sand, Trial of Tears, Take away the pain, Id take it over systematic chaos any day.
Tedericoe 9 months ago
man this shit dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
steven781227 11 months ago
Hahaha oh wow. I can't believe someone dares to say that Falling Into Infinity doesn't have good songs. That album is really an underated masterpiece after all. Aside from You Not Me and Just let me Breath, FIF is freaking Goddish.
SpaceDyeDream 11 months ago
The way Petrucci even thinks is insane. Who else would honestly write some of the stuff that he has and will? He's just a machine.
1dednimnepo 11 months ago
falling into infinity is dts most underrated album its one of dts best albums, to me it is the best no question and if you listen to the demos youll understand that as well
TheMaidenfan555 1 year ago
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God I'm so glad this song wasn't on Falling Into Infinity. It would have been the only good song on the whole album...
Not to put down Dream Theater. SFaM was their best album. And it looks like they were about to make it only a song on their worst album. Just the thought makes me shiver...
wequalsbob 1 year ago
@wequalsbob Falling Into Infinity isn't a bad album. There's songs like Trial of Tears, Anna Lee, Lines In The Sand, etc.
classicrockrockz 1 year ago
@classicrockrockz Hollow Years : )
Tedericoe 1 year ago
@Tedericoe Peruvian skies and hells kitchen are my favourites :P
TheCandygod 1 year ago
@TheCandygod Peruvian Skies should have been all over radio
raythetse 1 year ago
@raythetse Don't be daft, the radio playing music that good, as if!
TheCandygod 1 year ago
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wequalsbob 1 year ago
Love this, wish it was a bit higher quality though
MaurusRehmahrntahn 1 year ago
Sounds like most of this was mainly turned into Strange Dejavu.
GasparXR 1 year ago
@GasparXR ...and Overture 1928
GasparXR 1 year ago
@GasparXR There's bits from almost every song from scenes from a memory on this demo!
Spermwhales93 1 year ago
@GasparXR indeed. It's overture 1928 and Strange Deja vu. Butt still, it rocks!!!
Nforeo1974 1 year ago
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what happened to jordan rudes?
aapenjong 1 year ago
@aapenjong He wasn't in the band yet when they first wrote this.
MaurusRehmahrntahn 1 year ago
wait,
a studio version of metropolis part 2 as a song never came out did it.
it was only an album
trashboxfilms 1 year ago
I wonder if a third part would come out...
I bet it will be called
Metropolis Part 3 - The Third And Last Dance !
StAtUsSeeker92 1 year ago
@StAtUsSeeker92 but it will have to last forever. That might take a bit of effort on their part...
ZachValkyrie 1 year ago
@ZachValkyrie Yeah. I bet it would be very long...
StAtUsSeeker92 1 year ago
The beginning is the Ouverture 1928 from scenes from a memory... thats interesting..
masssiiiii 1 year ago
@masssiiiii well scenes from a memory is called metropolis part 2. They made this first then decided to turn it into a full album
EpsilonX 1 year ago
@masssiiiii No it's what it would have been if they hadnt have dumped Sherinian... :/ Ugh.. its so ordinary hahah so glad Rudess was on board to make that one.
ghaliboy 1 year ago
Wait so this is what Metropolis pt2 would be if they didnt make it a concept album?
Tedericoe 1 year ago
@Tedericoe basically
EpsilonX 1 year ago
I came
panamanian911 1 year ago
@panamanian911 lol
Megafan1983 1 year ago
I hope that Portnoy come back in 1 year or 2 to Dream Theater to make Metropolis, Part 3 =X, imagine if that happends will be the fucking greatest epic epilogue of Dream Theater x), i just hope Portnoy come back ='(
sater3400 1 year ago
@sater3400 lol the story is finished though :/
ghaliboy 1 year ago
R.I.P. Dream Theater. They ain't nothin' without Portnoy.
Seanorman88 1 year ago
I personally liked Derek Sherinians sound on this album, I kinda wish they kept him along with recruiting Jordan Rudess. It would have seriously made the band alot more proggy than metal of late... IMO. The extra space in this recording is nice, lets the drum breathe and the guitar tone is absolutely crushing.
theomegashadow 1 year ago
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theomegashadow 1 year ago
Amazing how this evolved into one of DT's most influential concept albums.
Flailwielder 1 year ago
does anybody else hear something that sounds remotely similar to "In the Presence of Enemies" between 5:09 and 5:52?
DaUsualSuspact 1 year ago
@DaUsualSuspact Hmm... I don't have that feeling that I normally get when I recognize something.
bangNL94 1 year ago
thumbs up if you think there should be a "metropolis part III: a visions of the future" dream theater's 2nd concept album! notice how at 7:05 in 'finally free' they say "we'll meet again my friend, someday soon" maybe i'm completely overanalysing this... but maybe not ;)
senecadawg2 1 year ago
@senecadawg2 ... thought that was about Victoria and Edward o.O
thacarofmiki 1 year ago
@thacarofmiki oh no... i think it was about a metropolis part III ;)
senecadawg2 1 year ago
@senecadawg2 i never thought of that
elmocheesecake1174 1 year ago
It actually did see the light, as Overture 1928 and strange de ja vu, Just with better quality.
SniPaLand 1 year ago
where do i know that guitar riff at 1:08 from?
lolololni 1 year ago
i think it might off the score doccumentary
lolololni 1 year ago
@lolololni Overture 1928, of course!
Tomaxzo 1 year ago
@lolololni Overture 1928, from Metropolis pt 2: scenes from a memory
metalv150 1 year ago
It was completely missing the Rudess element at that time. Just imagine what would have been if jordan had joined dream theater since kevin left?
satrianilife 1 year ago
@satrianilife say what you want, but sherinian made this really good as well. gives it a whole new dimension
thacarofmiki 1 year ago
this is simply overture 1928 and strange deja vu, but extended, with a bad quality.
carlos9402 1 year ago
@carlos9402 wrong. Scenes From a Memory is an extended version of this , with good quality.
panamanian911 1 year ago
Anyone who says LaBrie needs to leave Dream Theater needs to get checked for a tumour blocking their ear cannal or something..
ProgressiveGuitarist 1 year ago
@ProgressiveGuitarist Amen to that, man.
19Labrie63 1 year ago
@MyMytalMajesty Your joke about Justin Bieber is funny. But I have seen live performances of DT on the internet, and I still think LaBrie is good.
metal4lifeddie 1 year ago
@MyMytalMajesty
U can generalize the voice of a man , on one couple shows, ass!!!!
if u listen labrie on a DT show , will blow ur mind! so, go the hell!!
DT forever!
nonavarium 1 year ago
@MyMytalMajesty it was a suggestion. Maybe I'm too hard, but that's just cause I love them really, they're the only ones who give me the power to carry on and if someone says something bad about them, I do what I can to defend, sorry if I looked angry
KazeReload 1 year ago
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I think it didn't come out because it doesn't totally fit for a sequel of Metropolis
KazeReload 1 year ago
@MyMytalMajesty I've seen the live at Download festival, and I can't explain why Labrie's voice sucked so much, but this has been a time. He's much better, I saw them live in October 2009 and he didn't miss a note... and they also played Take the time, Voices. Also if you see their live before Dowload festival his voice was also good, for what happened and for how he forced it. In my opinion, everyone just makes it's opinion for a single video or something he heard...
KazeReload 1 year ago
Metropolis Part 1 is probobaly one of my favourite songs of all time. How can the unofficial sequel be so bad?
metal4lifeddie 1 year ago
@metal4lifeddie how is this song bad?
saiAhikaru 1 year ago
@MyMytalMajesty What the fuck are you saying? LaBrie is one of the greatest vocalists ever. Go listen to Justin Bieber or shit like that.
metal4lifeddie 1 year ago
You can't tell, the band might have fallen apart due to complicated things in the band, also, Rudess is now longer in Dream Theater than Moore was, Moore came in 1986 and left in 1994, Rudess came in 1998, and he is in the band now, this lineup: Portnoy,Labrie,Myung,Petrucci and Rudess, is the bes lineupt in my opinion,
Hydra152 1 year ago
@MyMytalMajesty yeah but Kevin Moore continues to deny his past in what Dream Theater is concerned. I don't get why though. I wish he would give some info on that since even the band members don't quite get it either
SjPedro 1 year ago
I dont know why Mike didnt want this released. It doesnt sound half bad. Or was that a different demo he hated...
blavaburnulots 1 year ago
If most of these parts ended up on "Scenes From a Memory" album, it would have been cool to take those parts and actually make a studio song of Metropolis part 2 :)
I wish someone could do it, because I can't :(
Painjoiker 1 year ago
8:27 kind of sounds like This Dying Soul's breakdown...
TheFlash1992 1 year ago
@TheFlash1992 6:27, sorry my bad
TheFlash1992 1 year ago
Derek Sherinian is keybord GOD ! :D
Risenwind 1 year ago
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frosties01 1 year ago
I think if it were polished up a lil bit and professionally recorded, it would make a great Liquid Tension Experiment epic.
asdfghjklman23 1 year ago
isnt this Overture 1928? :/
Viterkim 2 years ago
@Viterkim
This is the demo of Metropolis pt. 2 with the former keyborder, Derek. This demo was changed until obtain the masterpiece, Metropolis, Pt.2: Scenes From a Memory, that you listen. I heard things of many songs, for example 'One last time'.
dannymark 1 year ago
@Viterkim nope, listen to overture 1928 after this and youll see the differences
JEDSaje15 1 year ago
This sin't really a masterpiece. Really the fact that this didn't make it onto Falling into Infinity is a blessing; if it weren't for that then Scenes from a Memory as an album wouldn't have been released, and that my friends is a masterpiece.
HolyCrapProductions1 2 years ago
He makes a good point.
Vincent4Life90 1 year ago
Well said bra.
FunkMasterGodOfRock2 1 year ago
where could someone get this?!
kevinkuypers 2 years ago
Wspaniała sprawa. Swietna zapowiedź najlepszej płyty Dream Theater w historii !!!
Gipssu 2 years ago
Derek is awesome on keys :D
Risenwind 2 years ago
if this were on FII then DT history would be very different!!!!
Tavernman06 2 years ago
yes, but the fucking label wanted them to release "hits"
Hayacafrita 2 years ago
Almost as different as it would be if they were allowed to make FII as they originally wanted instead of the label's commercialized tripe.
USAon3 1 year ago
8.19 -8.40
I dont think this comes up in anyother DT songs in any form, but its an awesome.
acerpalamtum 2 years ago
an incredible insight into the days before scenes from a memory came out in 1999. i wasnt aware what would be a familiar basis for the 1999 record, was written with derek! i always assumed part 2 was a fresh slate and penned from scratch when the time came with JR, amazing to think the basis for overture, strange deja vu etc was written back when FII was being wrote. just amazing
radioxxflyer 2 years ago
6:16 - 6:26 --> that is the most kickass riff in this demo... i soo love DT! They're intelligent instrument players!
anthrmthrfckr 2 years ago
Too bad they made Pt. II in to an entire album.
KyleJPie10 2 years ago
actually that is too good, otherwise we wouldn't have the masterpiece of scenes from a memory ;)
Rimes87 2 years ago
very true
KyleJPie10 2 years ago
have you taken leave of your senses? pt 2 is commonly refered to "as good as queensryche pink floyd and genisis" and is also probably 7/10 dt fans favourite dt cd
roddas71 2 years ago
Hey! I love that album! But I would have preferred it to be an epic song rather than an album.
KyleJPie10 2 years ago
sherinian.
hendrall 2 years ago
this should see some remastering
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AlexHumphreys2 2 years ago
He recorded SFAM with his first Music Man customs, he had them made in between FII & SFAM
HighSpeedDirt 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure Myung didn't go *back* to Music Man (his main bass around WDADU was a heavily modified MM StingRay) until 6DOIT when the studio footage showed a new StingRay 5-string among his Yamahas, Chapman Stick, and 12-string (4-string with 2 Octave strings) that he recorded the title track with and then had his Yamaha made into a StingRay wannabe (the Flat Silver six-string with the MM-like Humbucker near the bridge). His are also stock - nothing custom about them, just excellent basses.
scarred2112 2 years ago
they should have kept the choir sound at the start
aasuite 2 years ago
So apparently SFAM was the last album John Petrucci tracked with his Ibanez guitars.
ultimateguitar553 2 years ago
i'm not sure, he might have used the Music Man on this, i know he used it for the tour supporting Scenes from a Memory
ironwolg 2 years ago