Bill Maher Suggests A Liberal Tea Party- The Donner Party (VIDEO.mp4

[hotheadpaisen]

After this weeks CPAK speeches, this is more true than ever, and more funny every time I watch it.

Thanks Bill!

[lisambofoh]

My mom doesn't like Bill Maher, yet she still laughed her ass off at this.

[paulism1984]

@lisambofoh Ever notice how comedians say true things and people don't think about it because they laughed, but then how politicians say things and no one laughs? Yup, it's the same reason that people laugh at jokes, because they recognize the truth the content.

[dahuterschuter]

This wqas probably one of the best monologues Bill has done, also hilarious.

[crutmauler]

The funny thing is that Face-Ripper Monkey's Donner Party is still camping out in Liberty square in NYC.

[Mr1helluvabutlr]

ye we want what they got !!! ftw!!

[Honeh]

OccupyWallStreet. Pretty much.

Good looking out, Bill. <3

[HyrulianWarlord]

Degrasse tyson is fucking awsome!

[joe035]

No debt ceiling amendment, no 4 trillion debt reduction as S&P required, & ANOTHER 2 TRILLION additional debt. NONE of the Tea Party demands were met.

What's wrong with you people Bill Maher is full of shit! When the economy collapses because you stupid shits dont get their are consequences for bad decisions I hope it is you & your families that pay the price & not those promoting govt to exist within a budget!

[MrHoppybunny]

Face-ripper monkey for president in 2016

[TAz69x]

THIS. WAS.  BRILLIANT.

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[DandyT]

It would be nice if sheople would for one second ignore the major media and see what the Tea party is really about. Ron Paul for President

[JCombssRatchets1Fan]

Oh great idea Bill. Just what we needed, another anti-white party! Screw you!

[snowiedognorth]

What really scares me is how the American right wingers are spreading through Canada like a virus. Palinism and Bachmania. Excuse me? What the hell happened to our country under this Ultra Conservative Harper government? ???

Jack Layton was the only force against this corruption of Canadian values and we will continue his fight with the vigor of an old guard.

[snowiedognorth]

What is happening to President Obama is nothing less than what he can handle. Americans once again have no sense of reality and what the concept of EVERYTHING is. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT??? Do you want someone to wipe your ass too??? You have world class clowns like Kim Kardashian and the Octomom, Limbaugh and Beck. Oh I forgot, Beyonce laid with a man and made a baby!!! You are NUTS. Just keep it South of the border.

[marycarols2]

I love Bill Maher.

[Turtleman7007]

He's got a good point. Obamas biggest problem is that he's got good ideas but no balls to actually push them through. Given the utter stupidity from the GOP candidates Obama will probly be back in 2012 along with a democrat house and senate so he can pass stuff without a bunch of tea baggers tripping him up

[justfactsallowed]

Let's view the Tea Party through the prism of racism: It's a race of citizens protected by the Constitution who enjoy status as a unique group based on culture, philosophy and association. They're constantly stereotyped and subject to prejudice, bigotry, discrimination, demonizing, mocking and slurs. Somehow that behavior is acceptable, ironically by those who extol fairness, human rights and who are quick to condemn racism. Many comments below illustrate my point. Think about it.

[SpitfireOFatj]

@justfactsallowed "Think about it."

Thought about it.

I have an alternative for you. Lets mount them and put them in a museum because future generations aren't going to believe something as stupid as the Tea Party could have existed.

[justfactsallowed]

@SpitfireOFatj Ranks right up there with our government borrowing 40% of it's spending, as they ignore a debt that equals seven years of revenue. Wait, that's not stupid - it's INSANE!

[SpitfireOFatj]

@justfactsallowed Wrong. What's insane is they just found out the Federal Reserve under Bush gave out 17 trillion without going through Congress.

America has about 155 million workers. If that amount was in a bonus check for those workers they would each get almost 110 thousand dollars.

The national debt is a fraud. The only reason the Republicans brought it up was because they just lied us into a war and cratered the economy and they needed a distraction.

[justfactsallowed]

@SpitfireOFatj The national debt's NOT fraud and has existed under Republican AND Democratic administrations. Plenty of Democrat's lied/voted us into war including; Hillary, Biden and Kerry. The war didn't crater the economy - not even close.

The Fed made securitized LOANS of $16T, the vast majority under Obama. A July CBO report provides details. Much of it has been repaid. It's a different issue from the debt/deficit. Ironically, T-party legislators share YOUR concern on the Fed.

[SpitfireOFatj]

@justfactsallowed Ron Paul supporters and the Tea Party act like they INVENTED concern about the Fed but it's Liberals who are against the idea of the government privatizing the monetary system.

You aren't going to hear Republicans talk about eliminating the Federal Reserve or even auditing it. This latest effort was pushed by Bernie Sanders.

Doesn't matter though, you guys will continue to vote Republican because you have bought into the lie that Democrats are the Party of Welfare.

[dospesentas]

@SpitfireOFatj You guys? I pointed out the fallacies in your comment and provided the actual info. T-party's agenda is restoring fiscal balance and correcting an unsustainable status quo. I give Sanders (an independent) credit for his actions. I don't believe you'll hear Republicans OR Democrats speak of eliminating the Fed. Party of welfare? I never said that. May I suggest you drop the US vs THEM mentality and consider the FACTS, you'll find it less gratifying, but more productive.

[SpitfireOFatj]

@dospesentas I'm more awake than you. Face facts: America wanted Liberal solutions with the election of Obama and Republicans are using the Tea Party as an excuse to preserve the Bush Era.

[justfactsallowed]

@SpitfireOFatj FACTS: 69 of 300 million Americans elected Obama - 23%. The other 77% DIDN'T vote for him. In the 2010 midterms, voters rejected the Obama agenda and 'shellacked' (to use O's term) liberals. "Preserve the Bush era"? You mean sub 5% unemployment, 14,000 dow, sub $1T deficit and sub $10T debt? Sounds pretty good right now. I suggest you drop the US vs THEM as we may have arrived here on different ships but we're all in the same boat now. How about this: Let's work together.

[SpitfireOFatj]

@justfactsallowed "The other 77% DIDN'T vote for him."

I know,....buncha little kids, jailbirds, felons and people who can't even tell you today who won...

Oh,....and other assorted idiots...

You know,...the "drill baby drill" morons....

[TheSmileyPeace]

@justfactsallowed Youve got to be shiting me. Since when is the entire U.S. population eligible to vote? How about counting actual votes cast? Babies, kids and immigrants don't vote, and of the people who can, a hell of a lot of them don't. This is an example of manufacturing "facts" to support your world view. And the Bush years? I remember a surplus turning into a huge deficit. Lies leading to the Iraq war. The financial system collapse. Remember 750,000 jobs lost per month? Who wants that?

[justfactsallowed]

@TheSmileyPeace Never said they could or couldn't vote; that they didn't vote for Obama and a huge majority of eligible voters didn't vote for him. Are those FACTS incorrect? Surplus? Based on current spending, it's gone in 9 days, hardly significant. How long are you going to look backward and use stale talking points? Kerry, Clinton and Biden all 'lied' about the war numerous times and voted for it - they're still in office. Remember the longest sustained period of job GROWTH in history?

[ALRIGHTWAYCHILL]

@justfactsallowed Clinton created a surplus that Bush utterly destroyed. Bringing it up is a legitimate gripe when Repubs start talking of deficit reduction and all that nonsense. It was Bush that created the hole, Obama only deepened it to try and help. And if you say the longest period of job growth was under Reagan then you really don't keep up. If Obama suggested any Reagan policies nowadays house and senate R's would consider it liberal socialism and filibuster or vote down.

[dospesentas]

@ALRIGHTWAYCHILL What did Clinton specifically do to "create a surplus"? Can you back it up with fact? "Bush..created hole"? It existed before he took office, Clinton ALSO deepened the N. Debt. O set records digging the hole, he's dug it deeper and faster than any president in history. All he knows are 'big government solutions, yet nothing gets solved and the "solutions" depends on "milking" the productive for experiments and handouts. Who voted to bail out the 1%? The vote's on record.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas Go to.... factcheck. org/2008/02/the-budget-and-def­icit-under-clinton/ ...He accomplished this by reversing the unsustainable Reagan era tax cuts aimed mostly at the upper income brackets; money that was supposed to "trickle down" but never did. Clinton called BS on the Repubtard initiative, reversed SOME of the tax cuts and created a budget surplus of $236.2 Billion! W Bush put us back in the Red, just like the "good old days" under Reagan.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER Thanks for the stellar demonstration of being a TOTAL asshole. You really believe adjustments to taxation created a strong economy and a surplus? LOL To use your words "without even checking the data or facts to back up your own idiotic position is pathetic" - Research: Microsoft, Intel, Nokia, ATT, Cisco, the INTERNET, CELL PHONE and DESK TOP COMPUTER REVOLUTION. Learn the answer to why Clinton was LUCKY to have these powerful economic drivers on his watch.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas Thanks for pointing out that you can't handle the truth cry baby. Clinton still created a tax surplus by repealing the tax cuts to the wealthy. Further, your lame argument proves that raising taxes on the rich does not negatively impact the economy. Lucky? Hardly, he just wasn't a Republican moron who believed in the religion of tax cuts over the reality of math.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER You ignore reality. The marginal tax rate changes made by Clinton were insufficient to deliver the results you extol. I don't know of a single credible economist that agrees with you. Can you find ONE? The cold war peace dividend, cheap oil, cell phone-Internet-MSwindow revolution fueled economy and reductions in government spending had far more impact. Increasing taxes on the productive/successful is no formula for greatness - it doesn't add a single dollar to our GDP.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas The tax rates produced a surplus; I don't need an economist to point that out idiot. Play Teatard math all you want, there was a surplus until Bush got into office and figured we would give tax breaks to the rich AND start TWO wars at the same time. It doesn't take an economist to figure out you reduce income and increase spending and get a deficit. No wonder you like the Tea Party.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER YOUR own Polfact says: "An equally IF NOT MORE powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble" You ignore $20bbl avg oil, defense cuts, the 93 tax increase preceded 4 yrs of DEFICITS and the 97 tax CUTS directly precedes balanced budget years. U.S. Treasury accounting shows the N. Debt INCREASED EVERY YEAR Clinton was in office. GAO/OMB documents show his tax increase had LESS effect than his cuts. Look it up.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas I didn't ignore anything. Economic factors influence taxes, something you teatards don't get do you. You are using TEMPORARY budget problems and economic issues to justify your PERMANENT changes to America. At the bottom is this; you just don't want any taxes at all. You honestly believe the deficit is caused by welfare queens and people on Social Security, don't you. Idiot.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER Who kept proclaiming "The tax rates produced a surplus"? Now you see the light? TEMPORARY? Look at the trajectory of Medicare and Social Security vs. funding for a reality check. You make false assumptions, I believe in pooling of resources for common good and acknowledge the real costs of government. I believe government should efficiently use tax dollars, not keep expecting taxpayers to ante' up. Why do you feel the need to be so childish and name call? Grow up.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas Look at my post below and you will see a link to some of the facts. Wow, the ignorance of you Teatards is frightening. The Founding Fathers would have hated your guts; you are truly the angry and ignorant rabble. The fact that you reflexively challenge any statement you don't like without even checking the data or facts to back up your own idiotic position is pathetic. It is made worse that there is now a party to represent your ignorance. Please get out of MY country.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER You conveniently ignore spending cuts foisted on Clinton by the legislature, welfare reform and huge tax gains from the internet, cellphone and desktop computer revolution that increased GDP and lowered unemployment to record levels. You give Clinton credit for things he had nothing to do with; because he is a member of YOUR party - plain and simple. Your huge Clinton "surplus" covers NINE DAYS of Obama's current spending spree. His mis-leadership is a disaster and a dead end.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas.... and you are conversely blaming the current administration for things which it had nothing to do. Which is it now? By the way I am not a Democrat, I simply despise them less than you Repubtards and Teatards because although they may be wrong, at least they aren't trying to solve the problem by beating up the poor, the sick, the elderly and the unfortunate.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER Obama's not running record deficits? Blame it on Bush. So you didn't vote for Obama? Really! "beating up the poor, sick and elderly" - you mean with Medicaid, Medicare, WIC, TANIF, HUD, CHIP, Social Security etc? Read the Constitution - see any of that? PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and SELF RESPECT has degraded into government dependence; hardly a winning strategy. Your credibility is exemplified by your sophomoric labels - does bigotry and name calling make you feel powerful?

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas Yes, exactly - these are the programs you nuts want to kill to try and balance the budget. All the while making sure you protect the ultra rich at any cost. Personal responsibility and self respect are euphemisms for selfishness. You teatards aren't wanting to balance the budget, you simply don't want to pay taxes for anything you don't like and want the rest of it done cheap. Cruelty and callousness are not signs of being tough, they mean you are selfish and weak.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER Your 'ultra rich' pay most the taxes - not enough? Half pay 0 income tax - that o.k.? FACT: every informed party agrees current entitlement costs are unsustainable and we can't tax our way out of the hole. You claim to support balanced budgets, Democrats oppose it, O' opposes it. Even Udall's (D) balanced budget bill was deep 6ed by Democrats in the senate. Which side are you REALLY on? Gov. spending to GDP is at an all time HIGH, gov. dependence isn't strength.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas Yes, the word "informed" is a euphemism for Teatards who are the least informed people on the planet and spew Koch propaganda. The current entitlement costs were not a problem before the deficits and before we started handing over huge tax cuts and corporate welfare to the rich. You are such a teatard.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER You have a serious bigotry & prejudice problem. Do you really believe using 'teabagger', 'teatard', 'Koch', 'idiot', etc. makes you look smart? It only conveys the mindset of a biased, extremist unable to articulate his views in an adult dialog. Clearly you believe government is the solution, if they can only take more from the rich. Your only problem is the math. You seem to believe that people keeping what they earn is some kind of crime - you're handing them nothing.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas Never said Obama administration wasn't running record deficits; part of that is the economy which is producing less tax revenue, part of it is the fact that he agreed to extend the Bush era tax cuts as well. Your credibility is non-existent.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER I see, the economy effects deficits but not surpluses - what's that about credibility? Still want to make the case 164M eligible voters didn't vote for O too? ALL the Bush cuts to the top 5% from 2001 only cover about 2/3's of O's current deficit. Why did O' extend them? You parrot the same old partisan MSNBC talking points and B.S. without ANY substance. Grow up, get the facts, drop the childish personal insults and pathetic personal attacks - it'll improve your credibility.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas The economy is precisely why we are having a budget deficit. It is NOT because we have social programs. You have been drinking 1% Kool Aid at your Teatard rallies and have bought into their little scheme. They want to use a TEMPORARY situation to effect a PERMANENT change. They are using this to eliminate Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and to rescind the 20 year military retirement along with a host of other programs they personally never will need. Grow up little boy

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER Why did O extend the tax cuts? TEMPORARY - do the math, look at the retirement rate and enrollment of Medicare and Social Security from the Boomers. You are in serious denial. You have yet to answer a single question or provide a verifiable fact to support your beliefs. Grow up? Read the record, see who is acting like a 6 year old with name calling. You're clearly someone with little achievement in life, perhaps when you do you'll have a different perspective.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@dospesentas Your credibility has evaporated but then you don't have the intellectual capacity to actually realize that you have bought into a lie, that you are shilling for the 1% and that you are cutting your own throat. The rich want you to believe the deficit is caused by them having to pay any taxes, by the poor receiving subsidies and entitlements and if the military budget needs to be cut, you want the troops to give up their retirement and take pay cuts, don't you.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER Why did O extend the tax cuts? Still dispute 164M eligible voters didn't vote for him? The 1% pay more taxes than the bottom 70%, that's not enough? Tell me how much is "fair"? Provide ONE shred of verifiable proof to support your claim: "The rich want you to believe the deficit is caused by them having to pay any taxes". Perhaps you can stop your childish name-calling and word twisting and actually ANSWER - I'll bet not. PUT UP or SHUT UP

[PeterFormaini]

@dospesentas As opposed to the 173 million eligible voters who did not vote Republican, dear

[dospesentas]

@PeterFormaini Absolutely true. However the context was that the vast majority of eligible voters didn't vote for Obama - also true. I (and Justfacts) never asserted they voted, or would have voted for McCain.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@TheSmileyPeace I love that idiots name "Justfactsallowed" which is the one thing they are bereft of. You hit it right on the head with your response. 69,456,897 voted for Obama, 59,934,814 for McCain. I guess those facts aren't allowed in his mind though since they underline the fact that a majority of American voters elected President Obama.

[dospesentas]

@MAINEPREPPER According to the latest census, there are 308M 'Americans', 24% are under 18, leaving 234M eligible to vote. Remove the 69.5M Obama voters - 164M eligible voters DIDN'T vote for Obama OVER TWO TO ONE. Justfacts point is correct, your sophomoric name calling doesn't change that fact. Do YOUR research. I guess THOSE facts aren't allowed in YOUR mind.

[joelduffield13]

@SpitfireOFatj Ron Paul has been talking about doing an audit on the Fed since the 80's. What democrats were talking about it at that point in time? I like Bill but he is entertainment and should be left at that . All though the Tea Party have some crazy people in it, so do every political following that gets publicity. The fact that dem news talk shit about them so much shows that they're scared of them. And I've voted for Ralph Nader the last two elections. 

[SpitfireOFatj]

@joelduffield13 Why didn't you vote for Kucinich?

[joelduffield13]

@SpitfireOFatj because i wanted ralph nader to win. i will ask again. what democrat was talking about auditing the federal reserve in the 80's? you seem to know so much, so enlighten me. since you're more awake than the rest of us. Ralph was an independent and not part of the status quo. that's why i voted for him.

[DandyT]

@SpitfireOFatj Ron Paul is and has always been Republican

[MAINEPREPPER]

@justfactsallowed EXCELLENT POINT! This is why we MUST eliminate the Reagan era tax cuts to the upper income brackets and end corporate welfare. Then we won't be engaging in insanity.

[MAINEPREPPER]

@SpitfireOFatj LOL! This "justfactsallowed" person is another fringe nut, a kook and most importantly, bereft of any actualy exposure to facts. I don't want this museum paid for with my tax dollars though LOL!

[SpitfireOFatj]

@MAINEPREPPER Since this video aired the 60 odd Tea Party types have lost their appeal and more Americans support the goals of the Occupy Movement than the Tea Party.

Increase taxes on the rich and jail the Wall Street crooks who crashed the World Economy for the little guy while increasing profits for themselves.

[ezracampbell]

He's a jackass

[onstorcs]

Bill Maher is still an asshole after all these years ... but it's OK because he still thinks he's funny.

[VoorkJTV]

@onstorcs who are you again?

[MetrazolElectricity]

It is SO easy to create a left-wing version of the teabaggers ...much easier. But we liberals have been just too reasonable and civil. But it can be done. Points of interest: 1) Republican teapartiers comprise a glorified 21st jim crow lynch-mob. 2) Rick Perry wants to secede from the Union and adopt the Confederate flag as his country's national flag 3) Bachmman wants to install clinics that cures homosexuality with jesus-stuff and shock treatment 4) FOX news supports segregation. It goes on...

[elmirahunts]

Absolutely hilarious and totally true, funny enough some dude published a website on thedonnerparty.us exactly addressing what Maher said here.

[DavidCastoe]

20 lol



[Jumpincloud]

Who's our leader...face ripper monkey? Cuz I would like to nominate Gary Busey.

[RainGlobule]

The writers really went all out, I was almost crying laughing, that was great.

[LeftWingPOG]

YES! FINALLY! WE NEED TO TELL THOSE RIGHT WING FUCKERS THAT THE WOMAN SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE BUT THE TAX PAYER SHOULDNT! THAT EVEN THOUGH WE THINK THE GOVT DID 9/11, WE WANT TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF GOVT!!!

[emergencyurgently]

@LeftWingPOG first of all, taxpayer money does not go toward funding abortions. it has been that way since 1976. it's called the Hyde Amendment, and you can find it pretty easily with like, ten seconds of Googling. secondly, the only people who think "THE GOVT DID 9/11" tend to be un/misinformed people who don't take part in the political system because "it's rigged anyway."

i sincerely hope you're trollin. because if not, you really need to go do some reading.

[LeftWingPOG]

@emergencyurgently I know about the Hyde Amendment asshole, It was the ONE thing Jimmy Carter did wrong. It needs to be removed, because Im only pro-choice for abortion, Im not pro-choice with tax-payer's money. And of course 9/11 was an inside job. Look up the movie Loose Change.

[emergencyurgently]

@LeftWingPOG 9/11 was not an inside job. It was, however, the product of the USA funding Al Queda. The technical term for what 9/11 was is "blowback."

Also, if you are "not pro-choice with tax-payer's money," then why would you want the Hyde Amendment (which restricts taxpayer money from being used for aborion) to be revoked?

[LeftWingPOG]

@emergencyurgently Because Im NOT pro choice with tax payer's money. As a leftist, I believe the woman should have a choice, but the tax-payer shouldnt. That was one of the biggest reasons I voted for Obama. He holds the cognitive dissonance together beautifully.

[emergencyurgently]

@LeftWingPOG So what exactly is your point, then?

[LeftWingPOG]

@emergencyurgently I believe its important for abortion to be state-funded. Those pro-lifers need to not just lose the battle. They need to be punished for all the negative energy and lies they have put out there. The best way to make them really feel it, is to make them pay for abortion through their taxes. And this way, they will have no choice about the matter.

[stonethugmusic]

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[thementalrevolt]

Im creating this party on facebook

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[TAz69x]

@thementalrevolt Link it with a bit.ly URL here

[GBraddock]

Great season ender for New Rules! 

[SourBitters]

This is hilarious I almost wanna do it for real. XDD

[kld244]

Seriously? The Donner Party was a group of settlers that got stranded in the winter and resorted to cannibalism. One of the classic stories of the American Frontier and an example of going too far on blind faith and little knowledge... hence the joke.

[jocrack22]

Bill Maher keeps going further and further to the left. Its starting to get scary.

[davehshs]

@jocrack22 It's only scary to folks who don't understand satire and take everything literally.

[jocrack22]

@davehshs Oh I understand satire. I think most of the time it just results in muddying up politics. Bill Maher crosses the line. Theres an undertone to his act that isnt very funny.

[emergencyurgently]

@jocrack22 actually, what i think is happening is that the republicans keep going further and further to the right, and demanding the democrats to meet them in the middle. this makes actual democrats seem like extremists when they are not. We don't have Democrats and Republicans anymore. Instead, we have Republicans and Extremist Republicans, and anyone who is any more left than the "Democrats" is labeled a Socialist or a Communist or some other word most people don't fully understand.

[jocrack22]

@emergencyurgently Is being fiscally responsible extreme? We can't be a welfare state and also be capitalist. We are not Europe.

[emergencyurgently]

@jocrack22 how is it "fiscally responsible" to raise taxes on the poor when (in 2009) nearly 1,500 millionaires did not pay ANY income taxes AT ALL? Given our nation’s serious debt and deficit problems, why should the middle class be forced to bear more of the burden?

[emergencyurgently]

@jocrack22 Also, I disagree with the notion that America SHOULD be Capitalist.

[jocrack22]

@emergencyurgently What should we be?

[emergencyurgently]

@jocrack22 I don't know. I don't agree with the idea of having a purely Capitalist or purely Socialist or purely Communist or purely Individualist or purely anything society. Extremism in any form rarely goes well. Communist societies are extremely susceptible to takeover. Capitalist societies tend to collapse under the weight of their rich (usually crushing the poor in the process). I believe true success will come when we blend the ideologies, and come up with what is truly best for everyone.

[jocrack22]

@emergencyurgently Well thats obvious. I beleive we need a society based on capitalism with socialism confined to parts like judicial, education, infrastructure and military. I dont want it blended much more than that, seeing as though I barley trust the government with the education part.

[emergencyurgently]

@jocrack22 If we have a society based on Capitalism with Socialism restricted and confined to very small parts, what makes you think the corporations will just all of a sudden start caring about you? I trust corporations less than I trust the government because I can at least vote on who leads the government. With corporations, they do what they want and fuck you if you don't like it. My doctor shouldn't be more concerned about covering his overhead than he is about helping me get better.

[jocrack22]

@emergencyurgently No system goes without flaws. Government can just as easy fuck you over as well. In the free market system I could care less how the corporations feel about me. I have the ability to make it on my own. Government can start wars and send people to concentration camps. I'm far more scared of government than I am corporations which I can choose to deal with or not. If you want handouts go to europe. America's the place if you wanna make it big.

[emergencyurgently]

@jocrack22 okay. well, i'm tired of arguing.

[SpitfireOFatj]

@jocrack22 "We can't be a welfare state and also be capitalist."

What the hell is wrong with you people?

The choice isn't between Capitalism and Socialism.

You guys act like letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire is going to cause Soviet tanks to roll down Main Street USA.

I say we put taxes on the rich back where Reagan had them. How's that sound?

[jocrack22]

@SpitfireOFatj whatever. do it then. by the way I'm american so think twice before you say "you people"

[snowiedognorth]

@emergencyurgently The tea party was created to destroy Obama. Obama has been a stable leader trying to negotiate with terrorists. What does America expect? Obama cannot move without Congress. No matter what he tries to do his hands are tied. Thats what America elected. A divided government. Live with it.

[emergencyurgently]

@snowiedognorth uh. i think you have this conversation confused with another one, bro.

[SpitfireOFatj]

@snowiedognorth I still remember when the Right Wing was saying on day one that he wasn't the real President because Roberts flubbed the Oath of Office.

See, the thing is, there are people in this country who might respect the Office no matter who is in there and so the Republicans are telling them it's okay to "attack the Commander In Chief in a time of war" because he's not REALLY the President. That's why they go on and on about Birth Certificates and ACORN and the New Black Panthers.

[adda241]

@emergencyurgently Couldn't have said it any better!

[rushncap]

Perfect.

[manwithoutfear05]

It's the Dahmer party lol.

[MaryJesusJoseph]

@manwithoutfear05 Donner Party, but Dahmer would be funny.

[manwithoutfear05]

@MaryJesusJoseph yea it does sound like Donner, but when he mentioned cannibalism I assumed he meant Dahmer... then who is he referencing?

[MaryJesusJoseph]

@manwithoutfear05 The Donner Party were American Pioneers who set out in the mid-1800s but became stuck in the mountains where the living members had to resort to eating the dead.

[manwithoutfear05]

@MaryJesusJoseph ahh ok, thanks for clearing that up. I did not know that lol

[sirlegendhead]

The Tea Party is right, but they don't go far enough. Of course corporations and the rich should get tax breaks. As a matter of fact, I don't think anyone should pay taxes at all. As someone on the extreme lower end of the economic spectrum, I see the inevitable collapse of this nation's economy as the only way to balance the scales. This way we could all be broke and class discrimination would cease to exist. It makes sense, sheeple! FACE-RIPPER 2012!