The usual brain dead talking points and lies. This has no basis in reality, it's just a right wing fantasy, a straw man built to spec for target practice by those living in fear of facts. Any teacher can be fired and many are every year. If this pantsload were true, then there would never be a documented case of a single teacher being fired for cause, not a single one. The rest of this tripe is just more foolish circular arguments that any grade schooler would see though.
@FixerDad43 Teachers can be fired, but how do I know you aren't referring to places where unions have less of a hold? Please respond to these points, BTW: heritage.org/research/reports/2010/07/creating-a-crisis-unions-stifle-education-reform
Good and intelligent people want to work and work better if they are appropriated and paid well. why would anyone want to work as a teacher if the pay sucks, dislike my public culture and students always misbehaved.
If people want better teachers, give them a fair wage, higher uni education, more information support in schools, clearly defined curriculum across the board and better access to further education.
Stop throwing money and start organising properly.
@kal9990 Detroit has a ton of money spent on public schools and little to show for it. More money does not equal better education. Federally defined curricula are also not the answer, for that will: a) almost eliminate parental input; b) worsen some schools where the curricula are above average and above the new federal standards.
@lazerwraiths But Detroit spent that money in the wrong way. it is not the buildings, the equipment that makes good education. A good education system needs; good university educated teachers, most good and smart people dont work or pennies, give then a fair wage, better teacher support and easier access to increasing their education. The reason for the nation curricula is for a MINIMUM standard across the board, parents can still have input.
@9jmorrison You have a right to offer services in exchange for money. They do not have an obligation to keep you employed if you are no longer making financial sense for them.
@jtkirkfan2002 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
Education, medical, section 8 housing, food stamps, all public sectors, because scams as I countinue to work for the public sector. I am sorry. but thats the way it is.
It's okay to have choice to terminate a pregnancy, but if you choose to have the child, it's not okay for the parents to have school choice less than five years later?
The Unions were useful back when workers were treated like crap some 100 years ago, but now they are very counter productive and opress their own employers. They're always asking for more money and won't let you even fire the people who don't do their job or are bad at it if they're a union member. Just another thing that was a good idea awhile back, but its become abused and just doesn't work anymore. I swear people say rich people are greedy the unions are just as bad.
The Unions are as much to blame for the financial mess as the bankers on wall street, if not more. Smash the Unions. And sack all the useless public sector bureaucrats.
You are wasting your time trying to explain capitalism to people who have been brainwashed by fascist. There is no way to get them to comprehend, they can not even hear themselves when they say stuff like this.
@cpuwrite I said the list I gave most downers on the Influence & Lobbying Heavy hitters list says which party the money is going to and your statement that NINE OUT OF TEN of those downers on the Lobbying--Top Spenders list are conservative is just a guess. My point to begin with is that the Liberals have control of most of the information and has had control of the House and Senate for the last 60 years. So how can the over whelmed conservatives make what they want happen?
Outside spending is chump change. All top ten is over shadowed by what Obama got for this election. Look at the Influence & Lobbying Heavy hitters list, that's where the money is.
@ginnam46 yes you earned 50k that year in take home pay, but what was you total compensation package including pension and healthcare? more like 80-90k??
While conservatives do seem to have a hard time formulating arguments against liberals, it's not indicative of a lack of intelligence. The problem is that it is difficult to argue for a nationalized moral system against "personal freedoms" that, in short form, look like great ideas. If you look at most of the issues, there forms a dichotomy between moral code and freedoms that the two major American political parties embody. Neither is right or wrong -- they are both equally guilty.
The point of these videos is that Conservatives cannot formulate their own arguments, so they need these to tell them how to confront reasonable people.
I am in a Union and I do 20 hours work per week for 4 hours pay, which the institution cut from 5 for the same workload, because the union makes me strong.
@ThereAreNoUnionThugs So, government is responsible for providing for everything and leveling the playing field(not actually possible) and you want a universal absence of personal responsibility.Great! .. Oh, not to mention you work 20 hours a week for 4 hours pay.. yeah, that's progress in the right direction... LOL
WIth thousands of careers in America, we spend way too much attention and money on three of them: teachers, police, and firemen. These careers are no more important than any others and deserve no more support from government than do all the rest. Until we get that right, our economy will continue down the toilet bowl, needing endless money printing by the banks to keep the illusion going.
Yeah but they have one thing in common: they're all public servants who sure don't act very servile, because they have achieved entitlement-status in societies via monopolistic government-unions thanks to JFK.
All three should be replaced by 100% private services, there's no need for government employing them directly in this day and age.
"Hey I got an idea: we start a business where the law says EVERYONE has to come in and pay for it, and we can't get fired no matter what happens to the people! And if the want to go somewhere else, And get this: we talk non-stop about what a GREAT SERVICE we're doing for everybody and how they can't possibly live without us!"
Its so funny how twisted all these videos are, you might as well make the "Liberal" say: Döh, I hate freedom döh!.
It is pretty interesting how the only thing liberals have to do to make fun of conservatives is show what the most popular conservatives are actually saying, and the best you can come up with is to invent a character who reeks of irony and stupidity, this is very pathetic to see.
I was homeschooled for several years in utah, and it was the highlight of my education. Half of my dad's income goes to the fed. gov.and he still was taxed to fund public school when our family is against public education, because its absolute crap.This all comes back to rousseau's social contract theory- the idea that you're a sacrificial victim to that arbitrary creation:society.Senator Hatch of Utah- exemplifies this idea for Utahns. He's destroyed what Utahns have long stood for: freedom
My kids had to make pro-levy signs for the last levy vote WHILE ON SCHOOL TIME. The schools have Planned Parenthood teaching Sex Ed. Planned Parenthood would have ABORTED EVERY ONE OF THOSE SAME CHILDREN if they had a chance!!! DONT BE FOOLED... Teachers unions NEVER EXISTED before the Mid 1970s!
Koch Industries is small time they have only given 10M to the Republicans over the last 20 years. Of the top 18 Lobbyist 15 give mostly to the Democrats and the other 3 give equity to both. ActBlue gives over 57M to the Democrats. Koch Industries is #78 on the lobbing list. Conservatives have little to no power compared to the Liberals and you still wine. You liberals are so gullible.
@wwhit2001 You're so right. Let's talk about all those Liberals giving so much...Hey! Wait a minute! The top political contributor is the ARCH-CONSERVATIVE United States Chamber of Commerce! And more than half the top ten donors are Conservative Organizations. OOPSIE!!!
@wwhit2001 At opensecrets org: outside spending. #1--Restore Our Future (CONSERVATIVE), #2--Winning Our Future (CONSERVATIVE), #3--Make US Great Again (CONSERVATIVE), #4--Our Destiny PAC (CONSERVATIVE), $5--Ending Spending (conservative). Top five spenders (and 9 of top 10), all Conservative. Total for the 5: $19,988,996. Lobbying--Top Spenders: #1--US Chamber of Commerce (CONSERVATIVE), #2--AMA (Business), #3--General Electric (Business), (continued)
@cpuwrite (continued) #4--AARP (Sure Ain't Liberal), #5--Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America (Business). Don't see any Liberals there. Total Spending: $1,672,923,000.
Do you really think it matters whom they're drowning in cash? Do you really think that these people can't make Democrats line up for their programs? Do you really think that Democrats are all Liberals, especially when there's this kind of legal bribery going on to make them more Conservative?
@cpuwrite On your Lobbying--Top Spenders list I just found it no where does it say where the money when so why did you bring it up? You are just guessing where their money went.
@cpuwrite BTW, my listing of donors as CONSERVATIVE or LIBERAL, and my figure or NINE OUT OF TEN, are not just guesses. They come from the same opensecrets org page where I got the numbers. There is a column called "Viewpoint." If you've got an issue with whether or not the donors are really conservative, take it up with opensecrets org.
unions are killing this country! sooner there put out to pasture the better ! unions was put into place when u.s was the biggest & the best at everything, now there's much,much competition and if you can't compete you die!!! so wake up and fight unionization!! run them out of america. YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHATS HAPPENING. IT'S LIKE EVERYONE KNOWS BUT TO BUSY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNIONS DO BELONG FOR SAFE WORKING PLACE,BUT NOT CONTROL TO RUN JOBS OUT OR WORKERS PAY (Wake UP) take the time
Isn't it great when you can tell everyone what the opposition of your point of view has to say? Even when it's a WHOPPING lie like "unions getting whatever they want"--as, in Wisconsin, a bunch of Koch toadies scheme to take away their bargaining rights.
This is INCREDIBLY specious. The people who made this should get a clue, but it might die of loneliness.
You realize Parochial schools do better because they can pick and choose who they are going to take... Of course they are going to appear better- they can turn away high risk students. Students with special needs...
Unions are not perfect, but they're the only thing left to represent the working class. Should we eliminate public schools? I'm sure private/corporate/charter schools will do their best to accommodate everyone, provided you're not special needs or poor.
@judeseamus public employee unions are not the same as private eu's. public employee unions unionize against the taxpayer. also, when they strike, in most cases, there is no "other companies" to fill the supply void, since the gov't is usually the only entity providing the service. for example, if the police went on strike, what would happen? wouldn't be pretty.
parasites, bottom feeders the worse kind fat loud mouthed union leaders become a teacher and get 13 weeks paid holiday a year ohhh nearly forgot and do a bit of teaching between the hours of 9am and 3 pm LAZY GOOD FOR NOTHING................
@TheJolakia Truth is... Most teachers in my district get to school at 7:30 am, and don't leave until 5:30 pm... And, not to mention the hours teachers put in on the weekends. Or their money they spend on classroom supplies. Oh, and don't forget most teachers have to take classes in the summer.
@supall24 lets notforget about thier 300 sick and vacation days that stack up each year, huge penisons, and benefits damn wish my parents got that the only thing they get is 5 sick days and some of their health insurance pay for
Everyone of you are LOSERS! Scott Walker is the answer and we love it when you scream and protest..it means you finally get it..You are all greedy a-wads who have taken from the tax payer trough and are paying the price. Keep up your whining...you have no dignity left and it shows as you use school age children as shileds and try to brain wash them all the way up to UW Madison.
Don't just attack teacher Unions. While they may contribute to the problem, we need to realize that the real problem is the failed system and laws. Don't try to change the teachers so the educational system works (like continuing to produce dumb kids), change the system so that we produce real educated children.
@williamjpiano That's the smartest thing I've read in this column. You're NEVER going to improve the system by punishing the people in it. You're not going to get anywhere fighting over public versus private (or whatever) schools. You need to look at the bigger picture: BOTH public AND private schools aren't getting the job done. Trying to punish union members is just a distraction from the REAL problems.
I've watched this shit in my home town. Teachers protesting, with signs out in their yards "We care about the kids!"
Not only are you developing some of the dumbest children in the world (take a look at world rankings in math and science) you want more money for being inept.
Not happening.
I was lucky enough to go to school long ago, before the unions got involved in education.
I don't think the union are the problem. The problem is that the employer can't do much about it and the unions ask for to much. People have the right to band together for a common goal, go on strike and do other things workers unions do. The problem is that the employer is can't do much about it. Employers can't fire workers on strike, and most of the time when workers demand ridiculously higher wages the employer is forced to comply.
This is coming from someone who has been on both sides.
@ninjaboynaru Unions are so often headed up by people who not only don't work at the work site, but don't even know the people they are 'representing' nor even have experience in the type of work that the employees they 'represent' do. As someone else mentioned, they are only interested in their own power. People have a right to band together to make things better, but that should only ever include the people who actually do the job.
@Hto0h I honestly don't care who is in charge of the Unions or what they want What I do care about is that they have to much power wile the employer has none Before a worker/teacher can be fired the one who employes them must fill out government forms and do many more things before they can be fired Workers on strike can not be easily fired Workers can demand ridiculously things and the employer HAS TO COMPLY WITH THERE DEMANDS I think a simple solution would be to give the employer more power
@ninjaboynaru Never lived in New York State, did you? There's something called "the Taylor Law" here in New York. Teachers can't go on strike here. If they do, they're not only not paid for every day they strike, they get fined an additional day's pay. Here in Buffalo, the School Boards have deliberately provoked (or tried to provoke) 0strikes (proven in court) twice during my lifetime because of this windfall.
And employers can hire replacement workers, then put (continued)
@cpuwrite (continuation) striking workers on a "waiting list"...and if the job doesn't open up for 3 years, the striking worker doesn't work there for 3 years.
And it's illegal to have a "sympathy strike" where one union joins another unrelated one. So, for example, the airline pilots can't strike because the baggage handlers are.
Dude, you need to get your facts straight. The law has been so badly corrupted that strikes don't really work any more.
I don't think the union are the problem. The problem is that the employer can do much about it and the unions ask for to much. People have the right to band together for a common goal, go on strike and do other things workers unions do. The problem is that the employer is can't do much about it. Employers can fire workers on strike, and most of the time when workers demand ridiculously higher wages the employer is forced to comply.
This is coming from someone who has been on both sides.
This video is a fuckin joke. If you don't like unions, move to Mexico and work for beans u fuck. Do you not believe in a middle class? Do you want two classes; rich and poor? If so, leave this country. Solidarity!!!
Because there aren't any unions in Mexico, right? LOL. Go stand in solidarity with 10% of the working population and see how far that gets you. In case you haven't noticed, people are waking up to the fact that unions work for their leadership, not their rank and file.
interesting but not factual at all. The bashing of teachers and other middle class citizens by the conservative right is rediculous. By the way teachers contribute to and create their retirements.
so we lower teachers wages and expect better results? what people don't realize is that when it comes to a union contract, anything is negotiable. hold teachers more accountable but do it in writing. that's not unreasonable.
I have learned nothing from public school, all those wasted years did not help me at all with my career. All I learned was useless trivia and math that I completely forgot how to do.
This video is so screwed up I can not believe it. I am sorry... I really enjoyed this site till this video. Get some real facts and then make your video. The funny thing is that people actually believe this is accurate. You just lost one teacher who really followed your rss feed. Lets continue to attack teachers instead of dealing with the real problems facing education.
@StarSpanglishBanner A union is a group of people with a common goal. Yes, the teachers' union is a group of teachers who wish to negiotiate instead of being dictated to by politicians who don't know our jobs. How do you think you'll like the ranch?
@StarSpanglishBanner Yep. And Koch Industries is one of the largest contributors to the Tea Tards in Wisconsin, who are trying to bust every union in sight. That's ALSO no coincidence. So what's your point?
@cpuwrite George Soros sprikles millions on every left wing cause imaginable, including Media Matters (which masquerades as a non partisan organization and gets tax exempt status) and i still haven't heard one liberal such as yourself bitch about that.
@Texfield91 Speaking of "get a clue," I didn't even MENTION funding sources! That was StarSpanglishBanner! Typical clueless right-wing jerk. Can't even address his arguments to the right person. *I* wrote that this was bogus because they misstated the counter-arguments to their position. It's a logical fallacy called "the strawman."
@cpuwrite Here's the "clue", pal. You said, "Koch Industries is one of the largest contributors to the Tea Tards in Wisconsin", so appartly you DID mention funding sources, moron
@Texfield91 Oh well...in that case, I guess I'll just have to get involved--and insult you the same way you're insulting me, you bleeding butthole. Too bad these things only allow 500 characters--far from enough to express my contempt for this video, its methods and jerks like you who want to compare George Sorros to the vast sums that Koch Industries pours into politics on so many levels. But "tex" says that Sorros is a funder, and it's got to be true if "tex" says so! LOLOLOLOL!
@StarSpanglishBanner no shit! thats where the trillion dollar stimulas went, to the unions. then right back to the democrate party. sounds like money laundering to me???
@TheCommonManUSA If Washington is making legislation that greatly affects a corporation, shouldn't the corporation have a say to protect its investors? If the investors disagree, they can invest somewhere else.
We have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If that statement is true, and you need a job to pursue happiness and have life, then we have a right to a job as well. That is a FACT. However, that does not mean that everyone has a right to be a teacher.
@zac030101 -- Go spend a year as a teacher, and then ask again.
It's a catalog of canards, misinformation, lies, misrepresentations, and anti-union claptrap., as anyone who has EVER taught in any public school ANYWHERE could tell you...
@konopelli spend as year as a teacher? you dont even work a full year. and what lies? everyone knows what they pay in taxes and all you people do is demand more. how about making your pay based on merit like everyone else?? noo, cant do that now. how about getting rid of the piece of shit teachers? nooo, union wont allow that. just demand more money, more benifits thats all. ever wonder why students did better BEFORE the dept of education.(dept. of indoctrination)
@zac030101 Uhhh, dude...? Tell me that the Koch Brothers are making their fortunes based on merit. Their companies have been convicted of defrauding the government, and they got off with a slap on the wrist and are still allowed to do business with the government. "What lies?" you asked. How about "Teachers Unions...make sure that teachers can never be fired no matter how bad they are." BUZZZZZZ!!!!! WRONG ANSWER!!!!
@cpuwrite so what your telling me is obama is duing busniess with the koch bros.? and you really think the teachers union lets bad teachers go? grow a brain. public union and teachers unions need to go. unless you belong to one, if so feel free to tell us people who pay your salery how you deserve more of our money. love to hear it.
@zac030101 It is YOU who need to grow a brain. I am the son of a teacher. I have WITNESSED the union letting bad teachers go.
But the surest sign of your stupidity is that you don't know the world around you.
How did the teachers' salaries get so good? THEY KEPT PACE WITH INFLATION (well...better than most). You're saying "they earn too much" when you SHOULD BE looking at your history and saying "other people don't earn enough."
@cpuwrite oh i know the world around me asshole, im a teamster. dont tell me how unions are. and they kept up with inflation? really? so while teachers are out there making over 100k a year with tenior(cant be fired) and the people paying there salery make 30k, then the teachers cry like little bitches when you tell them to pay for some of their healthcare and contribute to their pensions. same as public worker unions. who need to grow a brain? i see that education from a union
@zac030101 You utterly ignorant dork! ADMINISTRATORS and SUPERINTENDENTS make $100k a year, you AIDS infested asshole! The Teatards lopped them together with the teachers in Michigan to make it LOOK LIKE teachers made more than they did--and assholes like you took it hook, line and sinker! And I'm a computer guy. We don't have unions, not even like yours. You have no clue. And if I have enough education to know "there" from "their," it's a HELL of a lot better than yours!
@cpuwrite maybe in the hood you live, not around here. and btw, those poor little teachers in wisconsin who was crying "i only make 50k a year" are full of shit. try asking them what there total package is. they may get 50k a year in money but they alost get close to that in benifits. try pulgging that into your computer nerd boy, see if it can compute.
@zac030101 Still can't get that clue, can we? Fell hook, line and sinker for the Tea Tard numbers lie, and, even after you're corrected, you still continue to repeat that lie. Still can't figure out that it's THEIR total package, not THERE total package, either.
Try putting this in a tractor trailer and driving it up your butt (the most direct route to your brain): you've been caught using bad numbers. You have no credibility. Go find a teacher and learn how to get a clue.
@cpuwrite i cant get the clue?? how about you. what i said is fact. there is no disputing it. they cant, thats why they never tell you their whole package beacause it blows them right out of the water.
@zac030101 What you said is SLANTED fact. One more time, to get it through your thick skull: I've seen the raw numbers, and I instantly recognized that they were abusing the methodology (in this case, the ol' mean average shuffle). It's half-truth turned into a lie at its best.
One more time, to get it through your thick skull: why are you saying, "they should earn less" when you SHOULD BE saying, "I should earn more?" Why are you drowning yourself in a puddle of hate?
@SovereignStatesman Ooooo. 2 of 'em now. You didn't insult me, so I guess I'll be polite with you. Thank you for keeping it civil.
You should be careful with your greedy attitude, though. I don't know a kind way to put it. I wish I did. One of the things that has gone wrong with this country is that a lot of people have gotten greedy and refused to acknowledge the public good. I've seen what that attitude leads to--crumbling schools no one wants to work in.
@SovereignStatesman It does when me-firsters like YOU try to run it. Here in Buffalo, we had a mayor named James Earl Griffin who ran the schools the way YOU would have them run--every time the state increased the budget, he'd transfer the same amount out to other programs. By the time he left office, the schools were literally crumbling. The textbooks were more than 10 years old and needed replacing. No one wanted to work as a City of Buffalo Teacher. This is YOUR way.
@SovereignStatesman Hello, Pot. Calling the kettle black, I see. Finger pointing? Name calling? So far, you've done plenty of these, AND been ruder than I have. How does it feel to be a hypocrite?
Time to show or go. Where are you getting your numbers from? Are you as bad as Zac?
@SovereignStatesman BTW, you would've gotten your way anyway in Michigan. The teachers union offered wage and benefit givebacks. That wasn't enough for Scott Walker and the Tea Tards. They had to take away the teachers' union bargaining rights--to fix it so that they could IMPOSE their will. All this stuff about wages and such is really a moot point. It's like arguing over who has the biggest bun when what you need is some beef.
@cpuwrite >They had to take away the teachers' union bargaining rights--to fix it so that they could IMPOSE their will."
The customer is always right, douche-tard.
The People are paying the teachers, so they can demand whatever they want; and if the teachers don't like it, then they can seek employment elsewhere.
@cpuwrite puddle of hate, your such a jackass. you know there are two kinds of people. makers and takers. you oviously are a taker. and for all the piece of shit takers, id love to hear how you "deserve" more of our money. please explain it to me. just like all those people riding the welfare train all their life. if you can't take of yourself its not my job or obligation too. and what raw numbers have you seen? none, since you dont know wtf your talking about. so please, tell this
@zac030101 Go home, moron. Every time you type a comment, the only reason why you don't embarrass yourself it you're too stupid to realize it. Now, you've got your head so far up your ass that you're telling the world all about me when you don't really have the first clue--and, yes, you're wrong. THIS is the true face of Conservatism: so stupid they don't have a clue and so stuck up they act as if they're mind readers. I'm not taking your money or anyone else's. Up yours, jerk!
@zac030101 Well you're lying if you're trying to tell me that I'm on welfare.
At every turn, you've been a hypocrite, an idiot and a stuck up dork with all the manners of a barnyard pig. You can't produce the numbers to back up your arguments--or you're too lazy. You imply that I'm a liar but can't back your claims up. You expect to have your view take precedence because YOU said it. Well UP YOURS!!!!! That is called "presumption" and it is a form of arrogance.
@zac030101 And I've seen the COMPLETE LIST OF SALARIES that they used in Michigan to derive their teachers' income. As I already noted, they included the principals, supervisors and superintendents in the "average" figure. Try to follow this--I know you don't have the the education (you're a great example of the way YOUR way of doing things FAILS), but try to keep up anyway. When you have a couple of real high numbers, it causes a mean average to soar. That happened here.
The usual brain dead talking points and lies. This has no basis in reality, it's just a right wing fantasy, a straw man built to spec for target practice by those living in fear of facts. Any teacher can be fired and many are every year. If this pantsload were true, then there would never be a documented case of a single teacher being fired for cause, not a single one. The rest of this tripe is just more foolish circular arguments that any grade schooler would see though.
FixerDad43 22 hours ago
@FixerDad43 Teachers can be fired, but how do I know you aren't referring to places where unions have less of a hold? Please respond to these points, BTW: heritage.org/research/reports/2010/07/creating-a-crisis-unions-stifle-education-reform
lazerwraiths 10 hours ago
Good and intelligent people want to work and work better if they are appropriated and paid well. why would anyone want to work as a teacher if the pay sucks, dislike my public culture and students always misbehaved.
If people want better teachers, give them a fair wage, higher uni education, more information support in schools, clearly defined curriculum across the board and better access to further education.
Stop throwing money and start organising properly.
kal9990 4 days ago
@kal9990 Detroit has a ton of money spent on public schools and little to show for it. More money does not equal better education. Federally defined curricula are also not the answer, for that will: a) almost eliminate parental input; b) worsen some schools where the curricula are above average and above the new federal standards.
lazerwraiths 1 day ago
@lazerwraiths But Detroit spent that money in the wrong way. it is not the buildings, the equipment that makes good education. A good education system needs; good university educated teachers, most good and smart people dont work or pennies, give then a fair wage, better teacher support and easier access to increasing their education. The reason for the nation curricula is for a MINIMUM standard across the board, parents can still have input.
kal9990 13 hours ago
@kal9990 You may want to read this: blog.heritage.org/2011/03/24/morning-bell-detroits-liberal-nightmare/
lazerwraiths 10 hours ago
Do what you can locally to remove funding for these criminals. Thankfully, many states offer vouchers and charter schools.
EconCat88 1 week ago
The last line is the best!
Archimiedies 1 week ago 3
Good, except it is "Democrat Party" not "democratic party."
Srd1126 1 week ago
"Children should be held to a higher standard."
"Why?"
"They are not unionized."
LOL.
mjn76 1 week ago
I think workers should have a choice to unions, we all have a right to work.
9jmorrison 2 weeks ago
@9jmorrison You have a right to offer services in exchange for money. They do not have an obligation to keep you employed if you are no longer making financial sense for them.
linagee 1 week ago
@9jmorrison agreed. people should have the right to choice to join or not join a union. also have the right to join the union of their choice.
kal9990 13 hours ago
This logic applies to just about every union.
jtkirkfan2002 2 weeks ago
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@jtkirkfan2002 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 2 weeks ago
Education, medical, section 8 housing, food stamps, all public sectors, because scams as I countinue to work for the public sector. I am sorry. but thats the way it is.
davindkap 2 weeks ago
It's okay to have choice to terminate a pregnancy, but if you choose to have the child, it's not okay for the parents to have school choice less than five years later?
msvenezia 2 weeks ago
I thought that parents had the most important job in the world.
andrjsh 2 weeks ago
The Unions were useful back when workers were treated like crap some 100 years ago, but now they are very counter productive and opress their own employers. They're always asking for more money and won't let you even fire the people who don't do their job or are bad at it if they're a union member. Just another thing that was a good idea awhile back, but its become abused and just doesn't work anymore. I swear people say rich people are greedy the unions are just as bad.
101Snipeshot 3 weeks ago
The Unions are as much to blame for the financial mess as the bankers on wall street, if not more. Smash the Unions. And sack all the useless public sector bureaucrats.
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@scold22 Basically, we all screwed up.
coyotefever105 2 weeks ago
I dedicate this to the children.
theporco 1 month ago
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You are wasting your time trying to explain capitalism to people who have been brainwashed by fascist. There is no way to get them to comprehend, they can not even hear themselves when they say stuff like this.
halloranedward 1 month ago
This is awesome. So true.
antwoneeter 1 month ago
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@cpuwrite I said the list I gave most downers on the Influence & Lobbying Heavy hitters list says which party the money is going to and your statement that NINE OUT OF TEN of those downers on the Lobbying--Top Spenders list are conservative is just a guess. My point to begin with is that the Liberals have control of most of the information and has had control of the House and Senate for the last 60 years. So how can the over whelmed conservatives make what they want happen?
wwhit2001 1 month ago
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wwhit2001 1 month ago
Does anyone know what's happened to whoever produced these Battlefield315 vids? They stopped appearing months ago.
Rondaria 1 month ago
Outside spending is chump change. All top ten is over shadowed by what Obama got for this election. Look at the Influence & Lobbying Heavy hitters list, that's where the money is.
wwhit2001 1 month ago
@xxYetterxx when they started raping taxpayers blind.
zac030101 1 month ago
@ginnam46 yes you earned 50k that year in take home pay, but what was you total compensation package including pension and healthcare? more like 80-90k??
zac030101 1 month ago
Love it!
redheadedork 1 month ago 6
Why do teachers need collective bargaining anyway? It just protects bad teachers and harms the children.
coolbreezed 1 month ago 2
While conservatives do seem to have a hard time formulating arguments against liberals, it's not indicative of a lack of intelligence. The problem is that it is difficult to argue for a nationalized moral system against "personal freedoms" that, in short form, look like great ideas. If you look at most of the issues, there forms a dichotomy between moral code and freedoms that the two major American political parties embody. Neither is right or wrong -- they are both equally guilty.
TheVerandure 1 month ago
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NativeNJ 1 month ago
The point of these videos is that Conservatives cannot formulate their own arguments, so they need these to tell them how to confront reasonable people.
I am in a Union and I do 20 hours work per week for 4 hours pay, which the institution cut from 5 for the same workload, because the union makes me strong.
ThereAreNoUnionThugs 1 month ago
@ThereAreNoUnionThugs So, government is responsible for providing for everything and leveling the playing field(not actually possible) and you want a universal absence of personal responsibility.Great! .. Oh, not to mention you work 20 hours a week for 4 hours pay.. yeah, that's progress in the right direction... LOL
VOLKEMA 1 month ago
@ThereAreNoUnionThugs YOUR A DUMB AS MARXIST IDIOT!
ironx00 1 month ago
WIth thousands of careers in America, we spend way too much attention and money on three of them: teachers, police, and firemen. These careers are no more important than any others and deserve no more support from government than do all the rest. Until we get that right, our economy will continue down the toilet bowl, needing endless money printing by the banks to keep the illusion going.
RobertMOdell 1 month ago
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@RobertMOdell
Yeah but they have one thing in common: they're all public servants who sure don't act very servile, because they have achieved entitlement-status in societies via monopolistic government-unions thanks to JFK.
All three should be replaced by 100% private services, there's no need for government employing them directly in this day and age.
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
"Hey I got an idea: we start a business where the law says EVERYONE has to come in and pay for it, and we can't get fired no matter what happens to the people! And if the want to go somewhere else, And get this: we talk non-stop about what a GREAT SERVICE we're doing for everybody and how they can't possibly live without us!"
Yeah, it's dictatorship.
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
I think unions are good, but the government shouldn't give them priveleges or force you to do anything in relation to them.
heatbucspies55 1 month ago
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Its so funny how twisted all these videos are, you might as well make the "Liberal" say: Döh, I hate freedom döh!.
It is pretty interesting how the only thing liberals have to do to make fun of conservatives is show what the most popular conservatives are actually saying, and the best you can come up with is to invent a character who reeks of irony and stupidity, this is very pathetic to see.
I´m going back to the Colbert Report.
RagdollRalph 1 month ago
@RagdollRalph thats where you belong
zac030101 1 month ago
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RagdollRalph 1 month ago
SO TRUE
They avoid teaching economics in high school like its the plague
Jamespot24 1 month ago
then leave society
Marksmen8151 1 month ago
I was homeschooled for several years in utah, and it was the highlight of my education. Half of my dad's income goes to the fed. gov.and he still was taxed to fund public school when our family is against public education, because its absolute crap.This all comes back to rousseau's social contract theory- the idea that you're a sacrificial victim to that arbitrary creation:society.Senator Hatch of Utah- exemplifies this idea for Utahns. He's destroyed what Utahns have long stood for: freedom
govmyemployee 1 month ago
@govmyemployee
What makes you think we live in a democracy? The fact that you can choose your oligarch?
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
My kids had to make pro-levy signs for the last levy vote WHILE ON SCHOOL TIME. The schools have Planned Parenthood teaching Sex Ed. Planned Parenthood would have ABORTED EVERY ONE OF THOSE SAME CHILDREN if they had a chance!!! DONT BE FOOLED... Teachers unions NEVER EXISTED before the Mid 1970s!
MarkCox73 1 month ago
Koch Industries is small time they have only given 10M to the Republicans over the last 20 years. Of the top 18 Lobbyist 15 give mostly to the Democrats and the other 3 give equity to both. ActBlue gives over 57M to the Democrats. Koch Industries is #78 on the lobbing list. Conservatives have little to no power compared to the Liberals and you still wine. You liberals are so gullible.
wwhit2001 1 month ago 3
@wwhit2001 You're so right. Let's talk about all those Liberals giving so much...Hey! Wait a minute! The top political contributor is the ARCH-CONSERVATIVE United States Chamber of Commerce! And more than half the top ten donors are Conservative Organizations. OOPSIE!!!
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite Where do you get your list? My list is at opensecrets org and that list says the top 14 give mostly to the Democrat party.
wwhit2001 1 month ago
@wwhit2001 At opensecrets org: outside spending. #1--Restore Our Future (CONSERVATIVE), #2--Winning Our Future (CONSERVATIVE), #3--Make US Great Again (CONSERVATIVE), #4--Our Destiny PAC (CONSERVATIVE), $5--Ending Spending (conservative). Top five spenders (and 9 of top 10), all Conservative. Total for the 5: $19,988,996. Lobbying--Top Spenders: #1--US Chamber of Commerce (CONSERVATIVE), #2--AMA (Business), #3--General Electric (Business), (continued)
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite (continued) #4--AARP (Sure Ain't Liberal), #5--Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America (Business). Don't see any Liberals there. Total Spending: $1,672,923,000.
Do you really think it matters whom they're drowning in cash? Do you really think that these people can't make Democrats line up for their programs? Do you really think that Democrats are all Liberals, especially when there's this kind of legal bribery going on to make them more Conservative?
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite Note: I NEVER wrote that the top RECIPIENTS were Republicans, I wrote that the DONORS were overwhelmingly Conservative.
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite On your Lobbying--Top Spenders list I just found it no where does it say where the money when so why did you bring it up? You are just guessing where their money went.
wwhit2001 1 month ago
@wwhit2001 cpuwrite is a complete idiot with no facts. get used to it
zac030101 1 week ago
@cpuwrite BTW, my listing of donors as CONSERVATIVE or LIBERAL, and my figure or NINE OUT OF TEN, are not just guesses. They come from the same opensecrets org page where I got the numbers. There is a column called "Viewpoint." If you've got an issue with whether or not the donors are really conservative, take it up with opensecrets org.
cpuwrite 1 month ago
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unions are killing this country! sooner there put out to pasture the better ! unions was put into place when u.s was the biggest & the best at everything, now there's much,much competition and if you can't compete you die!!! so wake up and fight unionization!! run them out of america. YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHATS HAPPENING. IT'S LIKE EVERYONE KNOWS BUT TO BUSY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNIONS DO BELONG FOR SAFE WORKING PLACE,BUT NOT CONTROL TO RUN JOBS OUT OR WORKERS PAY (Wake UP) take the time
hotrod4you2 2 months ago
Isn't it great when you can tell everyone what the opposition of your point of view has to say? Even when it's a WHOPPING lie like "unions getting whatever they want"--as, in Wisconsin, a bunch of Koch toadies scheme to take away their bargaining rights.
This is INCREDIBLY specious. The people who made this should get a clue, but it might die of loneliness.
cpuwrite 2 months ago
You realize Parochial schools do better because they can pick and choose who they are going to take... Of course they are going to appear better- they can turn away high risk students. Students with special needs...
supall24 2 months ago
"Oh no, why?" lol such a tradition in these videos.
Ninjadelusion 2 months ago
Unions are not perfect, but they're the only thing left to represent the working class. Should we eliminate public schools? I'm sure private/corporate/charter schools will do their best to accommodate everyone, provided you're not special needs or poor.
judeseamus 2 months ago
@judeseamus public employee unions are not the same as private eu's. public employee unions unionize against the taxpayer. also, when they strike, in most cases, there is no "other companies" to fill the supply void, since the gov't is usually the only entity providing the service. for example, if the police went on strike, what would happen? wouldn't be pretty.
UltraProle21 2 months ago
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judeseamus 2 months ago
parasites, bottom feeders the worse kind fat loud mouthed union leaders become a teacher and get 13 weeks paid holiday a year ohhh nearly forgot and do a bit of teaching between the hours of 9am and 3 pm LAZY GOOD FOR NOTHING................
TheJolakia 2 months ago
@TheJolakia Truth is... Most teachers in my district get to school at 7:30 am, and don't leave until 5:30 pm... And, not to mention the hours teachers put in on the weekends. Or their money they spend on classroom supplies. Oh, and don't forget most teachers have to take classes in the summer.
supall24 2 months ago
@supall24
Are you including the time they dont work? Lunch breaks, plus a 10 minute break between classes. I only get a 15 minute break every 4 hours.
taledarkside 2 months ago
@supall24 You must not live in New York then, lol.
Herp.
ChineseEngineer 2 months ago
@supall24 lets notforget about thier 300 sick and vacation days that stack up each year, huge penisons, and benefits damn wish my parents got that the only thing they get is 5 sick days and some of their health insurance pay for
iDropShot856 1 month ago
@TheJolakia What do you do for a living?
brazmonky 2 months ago
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Everyone of you are LOSERS! Scott Walker is the answer and we love it when you scream and protest..it means you finally get it..You are all greedy a-wads who have taken from the tax payer trough and are paying the price. Keep up your whining...you have no dignity left and it shows as you use school age children as shileds and try to brain wash them all the way up to UW Madison.
gbpackers05 2 months ago
Don't just attack teacher Unions. While they may contribute to the problem, we need to realize that the real problem is the failed system and laws. Don't try to change the teachers so the educational system works (like continuing to produce dumb kids), change the system so that we produce real educated children.
williamjpiano 2 months ago
@williamjpiano That's the smartest thing I've read in this column. You're NEVER going to improve the system by punishing the people in it. You're not going to get anywhere fighting over public versus private (or whatever) schools. You need to look at the bigger picture: BOTH public AND private schools aren't getting the job done. Trying to punish union members is just a distraction from the REAL problems.
cpuwrite 1 month ago
I want to be a teacher when I grow up, and I think teacher's unions are awful.
Cookiecutter87 2 months ago 2
Absolutely wonderful! Send Karen Lewis of Chicago Teachers Union a copy..LOL
antiochfoxlake7 2 months ago 4
I am a middle and high school teacher...not in the system..as it needs sooo much reform..and this is hysterical...love it!!
marypoppins2009 2 months ago
funny thing is, all the states without teachers unions are the worst of the worst...going after unions is not going after the problem
oustudent1 2 months ago
I've watched this shit in my home town. Teachers protesting, with signs out in their yards "We care about the kids!"
Not only are you developing some of the dumbest children in the world (take a look at world rankings in math and science) you want more money for being inept.
Not happening.
I was lucky enough to go to school long ago, before the unions got involved in education.
SemperBeer 3 months ago 2
I don't think the union are the problem. The problem is that the employer can't do much about it and the unions ask for to much. People have the right to band together for a common goal, go on strike and do other things workers unions do. The problem is that the employer is can't do much about it. Employers can't fire workers on strike, and most of the time when workers demand ridiculously higher wages the employer is forced to comply.
This is coming from someone who has been on both sides.
ninjaboynaru 3 months ago
@ninjaboynaru Unions are so often headed up by people who not only don't work at the work site, but don't even know the people they are 'representing' nor even have experience in the type of work that the employees they 'represent' do. As someone else mentioned, they are only interested in their own power. People have a right to band together to make things better, but that should only ever include the people who actually do the job.
Hto0h 2 months ago
@Hto0h I honestly don't care who is in charge of the Unions or what they want What I do care about is that they have to much power wile the employer has none Before a worker/teacher can be fired the one who employes them must fill out government forms and do many more things before they can be fired Workers on strike can not be easily fired Workers can demand ridiculously things and the employer HAS TO COMPLY WITH THERE DEMANDS I think a simple solution would be to give the employer more power
ninjaboynaru 2 months ago
@ninjaboynaru Never lived in New York State, did you? There's something called "the Taylor Law" here in New York. Teachers can't go on strike here. If they do, they're not only not paid for every day they strike, they get fined an additional day's pay. Here in Buffalo, the School Boards have deliberately provoked (or tried to provoke) 0strikes (proven in court) twice during my lifetime because of this windfall.
And employers can hire replacement workers, then put (continued)
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite (continuation) striking workers on a "waiting list"...and if the job doesn't open up for 3 years, the striking worker doesn't work there for 3 years.
And it's illegal to have a "sympathy strike" where one union joins another unrelated one. So, for example, the airline pilots can't strike because the baggage handlers are.
Dude, you need to get your facts straight. The law has been so badly corrupted that strikes don't really work any more.
cpuwrite 1 month ago
I don't think the union are the problem. The problem is that the employer can do much about it and the unions ask for to much. People have the right to band together for a common goal, go on strike and do other things workers unions do. The problem is that the employer is can't do much about it. Employers can fire workers on strike, and most of the time when workers demand ridiculously higher wages the employer is forced to comply.
This is coming from someone who has been on both sides.
ninjaboynaru 3 months ago
This video is a fuckin joke. If you don't like unions, move to Mexico and work for beans u fuck. Do you not believe in a middle class? Do you want two classes; rich and poor? If so, leave this country. Solidarity!!!
chanman697 3 months ago
@chanman697
Because there aren't any unions in Mexico, right? LOL. Go stand in solidarity with 10% of the working population and see how far that gets you. In case you haven't noticed, people are waking up to the fact that unions work for their leadership, not their rank and file.
jma286 3 months ago
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MrDontuo 3 months ago
"There worthless"
Evidently they haven't taught you basic grammar.
elliothayden722 3 months ago
FUCK TEACHERS.
Teachers have taught me nothing.
There worthless and do nothing but waste my time.
The best are self educated. Best believe that.
XIBOMBIX 3 months ago
Do you realize the absurdity of someone who can read and write criticizing teachers.
aelfkins 3 months ago
interesting but not factual at all. The bashing of teachers and other middle class citizens by the conservative right is rediculous. By the way teachers contribute to and create their retirements.
maico125 3 months ago
They only get a few months vacation a year! Great vid.
ritchloui 3 months ago 2
Did they mention that teachers send their own children to private schools at a higher rate than the average population?
look for a Fordham paper call; Where Do Public School Teachers Send Their Kids to School?
1luckytexan 3 months ago
conservatives constant attack on teachers and the middle class is one of the more bizarre political strategies ive seen.
flipgood89 3 months ago
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RON PAUL 2012!!!
1991RubenV 3 months ago
so we lower teachers wages and expect better results? what people don't realize is that when it comes to a union contract, anything is negotiable. hold teachers more accountable but do it in writing. that's not unreasonable.
pjk661 3 months ago
Yeah, this wasn't bad
SUpersaiyajinjerkbag 3 months ago
The government was created to protect its people, not to coddle them.
DonTheCritic 3 months ago
"Power to the PEOPLE, not government" John Lennon
was4obama 3 months ago
Libs are ruled by GREED!
was4obama 3 months ago
lol awesome! check out my vid on unions...
TheFleaParty 4 months ago
You hit it it right on the - - - -! Thats the same answer Gen. Macauliffe gave to the Germans when they demanded his surrender at Bastogne!
pigmanobvious 4 months ago
oh no, why? XDD
nyanxrawr 4 months ago
omg how did i not know about this page?
UpalKashey 4 months ago
I have learned nothing from public school, all those wasted years did not help me at all with my career. All I learned was useless trivia and math that I completely forgot how to do.
shinokiba 4 months ago
@shinokiba
So why didn't your parents send you to a private school?
eric251982 3 months ago
This video is so screwed up I can not believe it. I am sorry... I really enjoyed this site till this video. Get some real facts and then make your video. The funny thing is that people actually believe this is accurate. You just lost one teacher who really followed your rss feed. Lets continue to attack teachers instead of dealing with the real problems facing education.
ofalvo 4 months ago
Great video.
EconCat88 4 months ago 18
If I wanted to listen to people argue poorly about shit they don't fully understand, I'd go to work.
edmondsjc 4 months ago
Wow this the most backward ass logic
scotty757 4 months ago
@scotty757 = retard who has no argument.
StarSpanglishBanner 4 months ago
Where are the jobs ? Watch my latest video .
Mr. Terry's neighborhood garage
bluesharp59 4 months ago
More power to the Koch brothers, less to the teachers!
baritonebynight 4 months ago
@baritonebynight = the woman in this video.
StarSpanglishBanner 4 months ago
@StarSpanglishBanner you=Koch brother's goon soon to be shipped off to the ranch when you're no longer useful to be nothing more than a slave.
baritonebynight 4 months ago
@baritonebynight thinks that teachers = the teachers union
StarSpanglishBanner 3 months ago
@StarSpanglishBanner A union is a group of people with a common goal. Yes, the teachers' union is a group of teachers who wish to negiotiate instead of being dictated to by politicians who don't know our jobs. How do you think you'll like the ranch?
baritonebynight 3 months ago
@baritonebynight Public sector unions are one of the largest contributors to democratic politicians. And it's no coincidence.
StarSpanglishBanner 3 months ago 20
@StarSpanglishBanner Yep. And Koch Industries is one of the largest contributors to the Tea Tards in Wisconsin, who are trying to bust every union in sight. That's ALSO no coincidence. So what's your point?
cpuwrite 2 months ago
@cpuwrite George Soros sprikles millions on every left wing cause imaginable, including Media Matters (which masquerades as a non partisan organization and gets tax exempt status) and i still haven't heard one liberal such as yourself bitch about that.
Texfield91 1 month ago
@Texfield91 Speaking of "get a clue," I didn't even MENTION funding sources! That was StarSpanglishBanner! Typical clueless right-wing jerk. Can't even address his arguments to the right person. *I* wrote that this was bogus because they misstated the counter-arguments to their position. It's a logical fallacy called "the strawman."
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite Here's the "clue", pal. You said, "Koch Industries is one of the largest contributors to the Tea Tards in Wisconsin", so appartly you DID mention funding sources, moron
Texfield91 1 month ago
@Texfield91 Oh well...in that case, I guess I'll just have to get involved--and insult you the same way you're insulting me, you bleeding butthole. Too bad these things only allow 500 characters--far from enough to express my contempt for this video, its methods and jerks like you who want to compare George Sorros to the vast sums that Koch Industries pours into politics on so many levels. But "tex" says that Sorros is a funder, and it's got to be true if "tex" says so! LOLOLOLOL!
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@StarSpanglishBanner no shit! thats where the trillion dollar stimulas went, to the unions. then right back to the democrate party. sounds like money laundering to me???
zac030101 1 month ago
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zac030101 1 month ago
More ill informed claptrap from the right
steelhamster 4 months ago
@steelhamster How is this ill informed?
imax1971 4 months ago
@imax1971 Working people are having their rights eroded more and more each day, this sort of propaganda is unhelpful.
steelhamster 4 months ago
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@steelhamster What "rights" are being eroded?
imax1971 4 months ago
Excellent!
julieification 4 months ago
democrat, republican...both same different sides of the same coin. Wake up sheeple.
Mozartmostly 4 months ago
@TheCommonManUSA If Washington is making legislation that greatly affects a corporation, shouldn't the corporation have a say to protect its investors? If the investors disagree, they can invest somewhere else.
rockon6191 5 months ago
I SAY THROW MONEY AT EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM UNTIL IT GOES AWAY
AND RAISE TAXES TO 90 % ON EVERY SINGLE ITEAM WE BUY TO PAY FOR
IT.
wtf0804 5 months ago
We have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If that statement is true, and you need a job to pursue happiness and have life, then we have a right to a job as well. That is a FACT. However, that does not mean that everyone has a right to be a teacher.
Otaku155 5 months ago
No to public unions, yes to private.......the fat cats run the private companies,remember.
linwooddeaton 5 months ago
THis is bullshit!
konopelli 5 months ago
@konopelli hows it bullshit?
zac030101 5 months ago
@zac030101 -- Go spend a year as a teacher, and then ask again.
It's a catalog of canards, misinformation, lies, misrepresentations, and anti-union claptrap., as anyone who has EVER taught in any public school ANYWHERE could tell you...
Thanks for asking...
konopelli 5 months ago
@konopelli spend as year as a teacher? you dont even work a full year. and what lies? everyone knows what they pay in taxes and all you people do is demand more. how about making your pay based on merit like everyone else?? noo, cant do that now. how about getting rid of the piece of shit teachers? nooo, union wont allow that. just demand more money, more benifits thats all. ever wonder why students did better BEFORE the dept of education.(dept. of indoctrination)
zac030101 5 months ago
@zac030101 Uhhh, dude...? Tell me that the Koch Brothers are making their fortunes based on merit. Their companies have been convicted of defrauding the government, and they got off with a slap on the wrist and are still allowed to do business with the government. "What lies?" you asked. How about "Teachers Unions...make sure that teachers can never be fired no matter how bad they are." BUZZZZZZ!!!!! WRONG ANSWER!!!!
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite so what your telling me is obama is duing busniess with the koch bros.? and you really think the teachers union lets bad teachers go? grow a brain. public union and teachers unions need to go. unless you belong to one, if so feel free to tell us people who pay your salery how you deserve more of our money. love to hear it.
zac030101 1 month ago
@zac030101 It is YOU who need to grow a brain. I am the son of a teacher. I have WITNESSED the union letting bad teachers go.
But the surest sign of your stupidity is that you don't know the world around you.
How did the teachers' salaries get so good? THEY KEPT PACE WITH INFLATION (well...better than most). You're saying "they earn too much" when you SHOULD BE looking at your history and saying "other people don't earn enough."
YOU grow a brain!
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite oh i know the world around me asshole, im a teamster. dont tell me how unions are. and they kept up with inflation? really? so while teachers are out there making over 100k a year with tenior(cant be fired) and the people paying there salery make 30k, then the teachers cry like little bitches when you tell them to pay for some of their healthcare and contribute to their pensions. same as public worker unions. who need to grow a brain? i see that education from a union
zac030101 1 month ago
@zac030101 You utterly ignorant dork! ADMINISTRATORS and SUPERINTENDENTS make $100k a year, you AIDS infested asshole! The Teatards lopped them together with the teachers in Michigan to make it LOOK LIKE teachers made more than they did--and assholes like you took it hook, line and sinker! And I'm a computer guy. We don't have unions, not even like yours. You have no clue. And if I have enough education to know "there" from "their," it's a HELL of a lot better than yours!
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite maybe in the hood you live, not around here. and btw, those poor little teachers in wisconsin who was crying "i only make 50k a year" are full of shit. try asking them what there total package is. they may get 50k a year in money but they alost get close to that in benifits. try pulgging that into your computer nerd boy, see if it can compute.
zac030101 1 month ago
@zac030101 Still can't get that clue, can we? Fell hook, line and sinker for the Tea Tard numbers lie, and, even after you're corrected, you still continue to repeat that lie. Still can't figure out that it's THEIR total package, not THERE total package, either.
Try putting this in a tractor trailer and driving it up your butt (the most direct route to your brain): you've been caught using bad numbers. You have no credibility. Go find a teacher and learn how to get a clue.
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite i cant get the clue?? how about you. what i said is fact. there is no disputing it. they cant, thats why they never tell you their whole package beacause it blows them right out of the water.
zac030101 1 month ago
@zac030101 What you said is SLANTED fact. One more time, to get it through your thick skull: I've seen the raw numbers, and I instantly recognized that they were abusing the methodology (in this case, the ol' mean average shuffle). It's half-truth turned into a lie at its best.
One more time, to get it through your thick skull: why are you saying, "they should earn less" when you SHOULD BE saying, "I should earn more?" Why are you drowning yourself in a puddle of hate?
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite
Because we're paying, and therefore it's the same thing?
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
@SovereignStatesman Ooooo. 2 of 'em now. You didn't insult me, so I guess I'll be polite with you. Thank you for keeping it civil.
You should be careful with your greedy attitude, though. I don't know a kind way to put it. I wish I did. One of the things that has gone wrong with this country is that a lot of people have gotten greedy and refused to acknowledge the public good. I've seen what that attitude leads to--crumbling schools no one wants to work in.
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SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
@cpuwrite
That's a laugh. Public schools now get more money than ever, and they are performing WORSE than ever.
More like the whole idea of public prison-schools just plain sucks ass.
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
@SovereignStatesman It does when me-firsters like YOU try to run it. Here in Buffalo, we had a mayor named James Earl Griffin who ran the schools the way YOU would have them run--every time the state increased the budget, he'd transfer the same amount out to other programs. By the time he left office, the schools were literally crumbling. The textbooks were more than 10 years old and needed replacing. No one wanted to work as a City of Buffalo Teacher. This is YOUR way.
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite your finger-pointing blame and excuses are just pure ad-hoc bullshit.
American schools are DEAD LAST in the WORLD in terms of cost-benefit, and that's not just in Buffalo it's the WHOLE DAMN COUNTRY.
So stick that up your ass and play a tune on it.
When you've got a captive paying audience, they don't exactly tend to take their business elsewhere if the product sucks.
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
@SovereignStatesman Hello, Pot. Calling the kettle black, I see. Finger pointing? Name calling? So far, you've done plenty of these, AND been ruder than I have. How does it feel to be a hypocrite?
Time to show or go. Where are you getting your numbers from? Are you as bad as Zac?
cpuwrite 1 month ago
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@cpuwrite
You DENY the numbers? Sheesh, if you're gonna go there then you're clearly in bullshit-land.
I'm giving credit where credit is due.
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
@SovereignStatesman BTW, you would've gotten your way anyway in Michigan. The teachers union offered wage and benefit givebacks. That wasn't enough for Scott Walker and the Tea Tards. They had to take away the teachers' union bargaining rights--to fix it so that they could IMPOSE their will. All this stuff about wages and such is really a moot point. It's like arguing over who has the biggest bun when what you need is some beef.
cpuwrite 1 month ago
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@cpuwrite >They had to take away the teachers' union bargaining rights--to fix it so that they could IMPOSE their will."
The customer is always right, douche-tard.
The People are paying the teachers, so they can demand whatever they want; and if the teachers don't like it, then they can seek employment elsewhere.
That's how it SHOULD be.
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
@cpuwrite puddle of hate, your such a jackass. you know there are two kinds of people. makers and takers. you oviously are a taker. and for all the piece of shit takers, id love to hear how you "deserve" more of our money. please explain it to me. just like all those people riding the welfare train all their life. if you can't take of yourself its not my job or obligation too. and what raw numbers have you seen? none, since you dont know wtf your talking about. so please, tell this
zac030101 1 month ago
@zac030101 Go home, moron. Every time you type a comment, the only reason why you don't embarrass yourself it you're too stupid to realize it. Now, you've got your head so far up your ass that you're telling the world all about me when you don't really have the first clue--and, yes, you're wrong. THIS is the true face of Conservatism: so stupid they don't have a clue and so stuck up they act as if they're mind readers. I'm not taking your money or anyone else's. Up yours, jerk!
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite no, im not wrong. welfare numbers dont lie. liberals do.
zac030101 1 month ago
@zac030101 Well you're lying if you're trying to tell me that I'm on welfare.
At every turn, you've been a hypocrite, an idiot and a stuck up dork with all the manners of a barnyard pig. You can't produce the numbers to back up your arguments--or you're too lazy. You imply that I'm a liar but can't back your claims up. You expect to have your view take precedence because YOU said it. Well UP YOURS!!!!! That is called "presumption" and it is a form of arrogance.
cpuwrite 1 month ago
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@zac030101
Liberals don't believe in numbers, just good intentions.
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago
@zac030101 And I've seen the COMPLETE LIST OF SALARIES that they used in Michigan to derive their teachers' income. As I already noted, they included the principals, supervisors and superintendents in the "average" figure. Try to follow this--I know you don't have the the education (you're a great example of the way YOUR way of doing things FAILS), but try to keep up anyway. When you have a couple of real high numbers, it causes a mean average to soar. That happened here.
cpuwrite 1 month ago
@cpuwrite
Wow, so that doesn't count as part of the education-system!
Thanks, you've made your argument.... FAIL!
SovereignStatesman 1 month ago