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  • At least youd dad didn't tell you "we are goign for a walk" then ends up taking you to a therapist to talk about a problem you have not been briefed on.

    Obviously it was a waste of time.

  • My mom and dad are paranoid with me being around guys... My mom is always believing this new crap that they say it's demons in ppls body's ugh this has gotten out of hand I can't see my boyfriend cuz my mom is always trying to know everything I do I hate it even when I got a rabbit plush she complained it had pink color in its ear and claimed its for girls I'm tired if this she knows nothing about me she always says she wants to change how I think.....

  • dont believe in the bible

    its a tool people use to brainwash people into believing in crap

  • LOL sorry but ur parents dont seem very smart...

  • i came out when i was 16... and my parents also sent me to a christian counselor... i am 19 now and they still dont accept...

  • Ugh this is why I despise religion. Bible bashing morons pick and choose which parts of the Bible they want to preach. Doesn't the Bible also also say children who disobey their parents should be killed? Also, these ignorant fools seem to forget that homosexuality occurs in over 1,500 species of animal around the world, including humans. You are born gay, and if God is perfect and males no mistakes and creates everyone in His image, then that means homosexuals are intended.

  • How dare this man even call himself a Christian a Christian bears the name of Christ from the first minute when he said I studied the Bible and I learnt it etc he did not even recognize God the giver of faith also when he said so I can intrept the scriptures again wrong God reveals the scriptures that explains his twisted unbiblical views with not a Bible verse did he quote

  • It's sad that your parents didn't accept you right off.

    I went through a similar experience but rather then rather then go to a counselor I left the house and ended up moving in with friends rather then stay in that situation.

    I really enjoyed hearing your story. I think you helped a lot of people who have or are going through these situations.

    It's fantastic that things worked out for you and your parents.

  • I am still understand your parents

  • Gas these fuck in parents

  • It's true people are NOT born homosexual. People become homosexual after traumatic experiences (sexual abuse/molestation, death of family, occult ritual, etc.) Homosexuals CHOOSE it because in the back of their conscious, they try to duplicate the fear in an attempt to have control of it. PROOF people are NOT born gay:

    This girl has dissociative Identity disorder. The more trauma she experienced, more personalities came out. One came out a lesbian:

    watch?v=w1sXbnBmy8U

  • @selious04 I am gay and I haven't had any "traumatic experiences" And I remember being attracted to the same sex for as far back as I can remember..

  • @selious04 Actually DID is strongly questioned by science. Most psychologist has agreed that such a diagnosis does not exist. Is your view of homosexuality the same as it is regarding transgendered people? If it is, you're in for a treat!

  • Is there anyway to contact Jeff Williamson?

  • "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"

    That passage of scripture speaks VOLUMES to this issue. Religion, when it lacks understanding about matters, such as homosexuality, is SWIFT to determine it to be sin. But thank God for people like Jeff, who are willing to go beyond the ignorance, and really learn and do the necessary research about this matter, AND about himself.

  • Homosexuality is perfectly natural and is reflected so throughout nature in abundance. Religion tries to portray everything as sinful and blasphemous, while justifying its arrogance, lies, and bigotry. If there is a creator (and nobody can say there is or is not, to say otherwise is pompous), he most certainly isnt the psychopathic maniac depicted in religious texts. Be proud of being gay. Its who you are. Who cares who likes it or not? At the end of the day can you say you are truly free?

  • @eanielsen123 "At the end of the day can you say you are truly free?"

    umm did you bother to watch the whole video? or bother to read the video description? 

  • @exgaysurvivordan umm Yes?

  • @eanielsen123 it isn't him in the vid

  • @exgaysurvivordan lol i don't get it what do you mean? he is in total support for you.

  • @exgaysurvivordan but even so the comment still applies.

  • if god was real he would understand that gay people cant help the way they feel ,,,,and he made everything so he made homo-sexualaty! so just dont try to change gay people gay or make fun of them cuz they are just people like you and me :)

  • I've been really attracted to guys that became my friends later on. It is just because some people are very physically attractive but when you get to know them you find out that they are not what you are looking for in a long-term partner. I'm straight, too. I think this happens to everyone.

  • wait--I got lost at "at the age of SIX, I knew my sexual preference was..."

    maybe you're Not gay--maybe you just need another hairstyle?

  • Jeff, I don't know if you'll read this, but...King David was in love with Jonathan (and was intimate with him...Jonathan's father, King Saul even knew of their relationship). Jesus also said that some men are born without desire for women and that they SHOULD NOT marry women. Jesus also healed the male slave/lover of a Roman soldier (without judgment or condemnation) and he used the Roman soldier as an example of faith.

  • @cmdrkoenig67, You shouldn't lie about the Bible like that, twisting scripture brings curses, it says so in Revelation 22:18.

    King David was NOT gay, he was even overcome with lust for Uriah's wife Bath-Sheba.

    Does this verse mean in a sexual sense also?:

    "In Deuteronomy 6:4-5 the nation of Israel was commanded to LOVE ['âhab] the Lord their God with all their heart, soul, and might."

    READ: Romans 1:25-27, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:8-10

  • @selious04 I'm not lying. As for the Bible verses you posted...I've already read them, thanks.

  • I love your video.

  • What I don't understand is why you paint the therapist as an innocent bystander and your parents as solely responsible. The therapist is just as guilty, if not more guilty, of harming young people. You made it seem like he was a jolly ol' guy who just had a different opinion. It's wicked for people to harm young people in this way. Leave gay people the fuck alone already society.

  • Also why did you or do you assume that christianity is the right way? why not islam or judaism? :) My point is that you talk about what "god" wanted but you A. have ZERO proof for such a supernatural entity and B. Have ZERO proof that if the creator exists that it's the christian god. That's the thing about religion that really fucks up the lives of a lot of people. I encourage everyone to think for themselves.

  • I happy my mom doesn't have the money for it :) LoL

  • Wow, thank you for telling us this.

  • thanks for sharing

  • Very happy for you. You're were I wish to see myself.

  • Very thoughtful and well-spoken. Congrats to you and your parents.

  • Your cute :-). If your ever in Brisbane I'd love to chat (chat not the standard gay pick-up line LOL).

  • Hello darling, im a gay brasilian girl and i came out a long time ago in that time i was just 15 and as you i had to go to councellor aswell, whatever, im very thankfull for u doing this video and yes, a lot people need to know happy ends.I can see that you are very happy now because you stand your ground with intelligence and knowledge about yourself and your believes, and may God bless you because you worth it! Lot kisses darling! and have a very happy life cause you deserve it, honest.

  • ex gay teraphy sucks. Only Jesus can change you. Jesus loves you :)

  • MY parents did the same thing! AND UNLIKE U FOR ME IT WORKED!

  • @JesseTheStraightGuy LOL no it didn't....

  • @JesseTheStraightGuy If it worked your user name wouldn't be "JesseTheOhLookHowStraightIAmO­hYesIAmNotGayNoWayGuy".

  • @JesseTheStraightGuy You're queerer than a $2 bill, and a coward and an idiot for not admitting it to yourself and others.

  • i think its wrong to try and change who a person is. im bi and i live a perfectly normal and happy life and most importantly im not living a lie. these ex-gays live a lie repressing who they really are. i hope we as a society comes to learn to accept people for who they are

  • Don't get me wrong I LOVE MY SON NO MATTER WHAT NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE THAT! I TOLD HIM THE SAME THING. We are talking about it more. Also thanks rayne0o and ehtendencia for the info.

  • WOOOO HOMOS RULE

  • @lycurgusandnuma know it :)

  • hello im a parent that is having a hard time do you have any advice?

  • @BlaqueRain7228 Simple. They're your child. Love them. c:

  • @BlaqueRain7228 LOVE YOUR SON!!! Its all you need to do!!! Love him for what he is just like you did the entire life

    If he hides this from you its cause he's afraid of loose your love... and if he trust you to tell deserve this trust

    its terrible to hear from a mother that she'll only love you if you change

    Wacth : Prayers For Bobby ... and ... For The Bible Tells Me So... It will help you a lot!

  • @BlaqueRain7228 you're a parent love and accept your child. it doesnt matter their orientation since you should love and care for them anyways and be supportive^^

  • Nice video, Jeff. I'm happy that your family accepted your sexuality and that you have a wonderful relationship with them.

  • fagggg

  • I'm so glad you didn't try to change who you are, sexual orientation can't be changed and to even try it is dangerous. You're a strong person for telling this story :)

  • This is such amazing an amazing story.. I'm so impressed by your courage.

  • I am glad that you made peace in your life. You cannot pray the gay away. I am so glad I didn't have to go through that when I was a teen or any part of my life. I heard this girl last night she said her mom is mormon and drugged her and took her to a place that performed shock therapy on her. They showed her pictures of women and shocked her and then didn't shock her when it was a picture of a man. It lasted for 30 minutes until the mom couldn't take it any more and got her out.

  • Glad to know it worked out for you, so many go to these "straight camps" and end up being brainwashed and living in denial

  • This is one of the scariest things about the USA. It's really sad how many people torture themselves and other because of religion.

    Kudos to the video maker and his parents, though. At first I got angry at the mum but I think it is commendable how they realised they had the problem, not their son. Religion could be a good thing if it was always that humanistic and loving. Unfortunately it is often the opposite.

  • Focus on the Family? I am so sorry to hear that...

  • Jeff has to be one of the most outstanding, articulate and inspiring people that you could have possibly included here. I am SO very impressed!!

  • Ur cute and smart, do what you want, your life not theirs

  • One of the biggest mistakes purporters of "reparative therapy" make is the assumption that gay men aren't masculine. Sure, gay men may think and operate slightly different, but that doesn't hinder their masculinity.

    If anything it enhances it.

  • @peachsmint88 how?

  • thankyou for posting this. The whole ex-gay reorientation programme issue disturbs me mightily.

  • It is such an absurd thought that one tries to share someone else's masculinity! Ex-gay ministries need to burn.

  • His parents are fucking assholes. I'm glad this kid knew how fucked up all that shit was.

  • What a great thoughtful video, you're really helping to shed light on the conflicts with gender roles that these straight bigots harbor, as someone who doesn't understand (nor wish to, quite frankly) the religious perspective, this video is very informative. Kudos.

  • I admire you very much!

    Thanks for sharing this video with the world!!!

  • bloody methodists

  • There is nothing wrong with you! Your bravery is so great! No one should ever think there is something wrong with them for being gay. <3

  • Idk how it could be hard to open up to someone you just met, not any random person on the steet but someone like a therapist. The longer I know someone the harder it is to talk about an issue because I care a lot about what they think about me and a lot less about what a person I just met thinks about me. Like when I was younger my friends would ask if I was a virgin and I would say no but when a doctor asked I would ask I would say yes and could not care less of what he thought.

  • I'm glad you survived your "therapy". Thumbs up and favourite.

    I'm surprised you couldn't find evidence in the bible that god is against homosexuality. I mean, it is described as an abomination in numerous passages. In one place, God turns an entire city gay as a punishment because he finds the people so vile. The bible considers homosexuality an abomination and a punishment. I will provide sources if requested.

    I'm glad you weren't destroyed by reparation therapy as many are.

  • Great video but unfortunately the majority of videos on youtube when you search under "Ex Homosexual" promote the pernicious Ex-Gay lifestyle.

  • @padraigomairtin Thanks, I'll add "ex homosexual" as a tag to my videos :)

  • @exgaysurvivordan I would really encourage you to leave comments on those videos that allow you to. It is terrible to think that vulnerable adolescents and parents might buy into this Ex Gay con.

  • @exgaysurvivordan I love your ears!

  • Great lesson of acceptance and love. Parents made their best to understand their gay son, but their son made his best to understand his parents, it's barely the case... thank you for telling your story, it helps me to keep combining my sexuality and my faith!

  • there are many orphans on this Earth... somebody has to take care of them. Why else would god have made a certain percent of the population nonreproductive?

  • Please know that I say this with His love. I've been learning again from Roman 3:23 we ALL have sinned and fallen short, but nothing is too difficult for Christ to change and restore. Philippians 4:13. Remember His all things may fail, but Gods Word is the Truth. Which you know. :D God bless!

  • Hello my friend, Jeff. I know you said you have been looking to God's True Infallible Word for your answers. Here are some verses that will definitely help you and clear up the confusion you have. :D 1 Timothy 1:10, 1 Corinthians 6:9-- this one was an eye-opener for me, and several others (Old and New Testament).

  • Hey Jeff, thanks for posting this. Gives me faith about humanity =)

  • jeff, i totally agree with your desisions and am glad your parents finally realised that being gay is just part of who you are and so they should accept it and love you all the same. now im 14 and a straight girl, but i have a total facination with how people find it so hard to accept homosexuality - i think it just comes down to this being one of the only human traits that cannot be dechiphered with science or enviromental factors (at least not reliably) and this bothers some people.

  • @BlackRep 1st off, most kids gays adopt were abandon or abused by their str8 parents! 2nd we have a 500,000 kids in the USA alone up for adoption, while str8 couples go to other countries to adopt new borns. Its usually the AA kids who suffer the most! Gay parents giving these kids love and a family is far better than what their loser str8 parents who abused or abandon them did for them! Gays are know for adopting children labeled as unadoptable! Can you imagine giving that label to a kid!

  • @danmol78 And... this had what to do with the issue at hand? No more gays have anal sex than heterosexuals do. Most do not have anal sex.

    And, even those who do have it, usually know how to have it so that there is no bleeding and no tearing. It's actually possible.

  • It's this simple to me. When i think about pressing my lips to someone else's I think of a girl. I'm guessing that when gay men close their eye's they want a mans lips to press against. if this doesn't repulse him he's gay. It wasn't a choice to me to like girl lips anymore his to like a mans. Sad how religion screws people up for years. Live and let live

  • Actually who really WANTS to change is YOU nor your parents. If you want to keep being 'gay", ok... however, reparative therapy do workds...

    narth+com

  • @xanderusa1 I believe that isn't true. There's nothing wrong with being gay. It is not something that can be 'repaired' nor is it something you just 'keep being'. It's something you are. Ex gays are just self loathing and brainwashed.

  • thank you

  • Thank you for sharing your story, I understand completely.

  • what a nice story, your parents sound like decent people.

  • i'm sorry but i don't think it is right for a six year old to know anything about sex whither it is homosexuality or heritor...kids should be kids and not worry about that, so you saying you knew about that stuff at the age of six is a little disturbing.... :( something is wrong if you at that age knew about sexuality...

  • Nature doesn't have all the answers. Our planet can't support an infinite number of people. At some point people are gonna have to not reproduce so much. As a matter of survival.

  • Exactly right. We're both one of the most destructive & overpopulated species on the planet. Some people fail to realize that just because most people have the ability to reproduce doesn't mean that they should. Therefore homosexuals are actually doing earth a big favor.

  • @raunchbear So gay people shouldnt have kids then... ok.

  • @sitdownstandup91 You shouldn't

  • @LogicfromLogic LOOL i was awnsering another guy dick face.

  • @sitdownstandup91 Name calling? How immature. Sorry that I misunderstood. But you shouldn't jump the gun and call names, that makes you just as bad.

  • @LogicfromLogic I apologize. bad day.

  • @sitdownstandup91 No prob, I've had my bad days too. I admit, I was a bit cranky too(I'm fighting broncitis). But, forgot to post my actual view on this vid. Being gay isn't bad, it's part of who you are.

  • @Starufy

    The human race is suffering from vast over-population. This has caused extreme poverty in countries such as China and India. An increase in homosexuality would ease economic strain and facilitate better living conditions for future generations and provide thousands of orphans with homes who would suffer greatly otherwise.

    The universal benefits of homosexuality are almost as great as your idiotic dishonesty.

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  • @Starufy

    Homosexuality is prevalent in thousands of species other than humans. It permeates the natural world and all manners of animal societies, yet you would say it's unnatural because of a dusty book that once named bats as birds (Lev. 11:13, 19). That is ridiculous.

    Besides, who are you to say homosexuality is not the solution? The benefits are logically clear, despite your selfish unwillingness to admit it.

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  • You assume a lot don't you. I can't possibly not be a Christian and appose Homosexuality. You say "who are you to say homosexuality is not the solution?". So you actually think homosexuality is the solution to the problem of overpopulation? Can you tell me some of these logically clear benefits. I don't see any and a second opinion is always welcome. Homosexuality isn't "prevalent" in thousands of species because if it was those species would be extinct.

  • @Starufy

    Well, you seem to be insisting it's unnatural, even though nature itself testifies otherwise, so it's only natural to assume you have some sort of blinders up.

    I've already stated the benefits, look at my first post.

    Yes it is prevalent, because this ceases to be an issue when you consider the rate of copulation in a species. Male mallards are same-sex partners up to 19% of the time in some populations, yet we have never seen a shortage of ducks. Your extinction theory is a myth.

  • I am insisting that it is a perversion of the proper way to have sexual relations with other humans. We are animals as well.

    So that some other animals display homosexual behavior doesn't translate into meaning that homosexuality can't be unnatural... I suppose I may have been wrong about "my extinction theory".

  • @Starufy

    You're insisting that it's a perversion, but you haven't said anything to justify that stance.

    I supposed we were defining natural as conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature. If this is so, then how doesn't the permeation of homosexuality not justify it as natural?

  • i thank you for this video, and as a former preacher, i know what it's like to look at the bible and see something's not right. and for those that "used " to be gay, you denying who you are, and that's lieing to yourself, and that too, is a sin. which is the greater sin, lieing, or homosexuality?

  • Not to belittle you, Mustang, but just so I'm clear... you once had a crush on a guy, now you don't? Well, I'm gay, and I once had a crush on a girl. Just because you had a thing for a guy, that didn't make you gay. Sounds to me like you've always been straight and you went through a confused patch. Well, congrats for ironing yourself out. But I'm not really sure why you feel the need to comment on it in every single ex-gay video.

  • You are "well versed in therology"? What is that? The word bible is just latin for book. Update your library dude!

  • Hey guys: if gay sex makes you nervous, just close your eyes and pretend it's a girl giving you pleasure. end of discussion.

  • I do not think it is a good idea to send anyone to an ex gay camp, but I do know that anyone can change. I am living proof, but that individual has to make that decision. I made decision, and I am married and I know in my heart I made the right decision to leave a life that did not allow me to raise my biological children with their biological mother in harmony. That is a life I have and I do not commit adultry, or abuse, or addiction, and we are not asexual. Recovery=5 years.

  • Klonkii, that is very offensive to ME

  • I wished people had more knowledges than thinking you can sure homosexuality. But in the same time I understand americans think so, I don't think too high about americans ;)

  • i hate ex-gay therpists it doesnt work and they fail o.o

  • When did you figure that out? I find it amazing people that have never tried it, or even would give it a try with open mind would know. But then again, I have accepted the fact I had same sex attraction, and that did nt work with me. So, I changed that. It was a large commitment, but I did it.

  • Wow!!! I think your video is great, it might help a lot of young gays in the same situation. Congratulations!!!!!!

  • Do you really believe that? In your heart of hearts, would you actually recommend to a confused child trying to figure out who he or she is that your path was one they should follow? That it's truly brought you happiness? Or just enabled you to live a lie that you think others expect you to?

  • what you talking about? what lie??? it's his sexuality, not something he convinced himself to be. homosexuality is neither a condition nor a disease. it's what you are born to be. refusing this to be a fact (you say it's a lie) puts being born a heterosexual in the same box don't you think so?

    why is it that only homosexuals have to come out of the closet? and who has the right to judge or determine what is considered to be 'normal' ?

  • Reparative therapy is the sickest thing ever.

    I cannot believe that people try to change their sexuality. You can't change it, you just can't. Every sexual orientation is a sexual orientation, no preference is wrong. People should not judge someone just because they are gay, lesbian, straight or bi. A book judges how people think, and that is what ruins America.

  • You can do whatever you want! I did not ask for it, but I sure as heck was not going to accept it as a destiny, and after many years of recovery, I am finally and truly over being gay. I never want to look back. Happy as clam in the Midwest.

  • @39Mustangman I know you still get turned on by men, try having fun letting a little book judge the way you think, although I know you won't.

  • You know what, I have left the life. I have not been turned on by anyone, but my wife. I am a bit lost by the book judging me. I judge no one, and no one can judge me. I hope you are truly happy, and have everything you want. That is from my heart. I have everything I want, and I am truly happy being me. I can not be anyone better. Again, I hope you are as happy as me, and have everything you ever wanted. Sex will never rule my life ever again.

  • Atheism doesn't judge your sexual orientation.

  • Good article on Homosexuality is the special issue of Scientific American 2005. Recommend it for anyone interested in exploring why people are gay. If God's will is made manifest in nature, then we must accept that both hetero bi and homo sexual orientations are normal. l.

  • Cool beans.

  • Great video!!! The suicide rate for gay teens even to this day remains VERY high. If "switching" your sexual orientation was an option then the teens would just "switch" rather than kill themselves.

    I am glad that your relationship with your family has healed.

    You are a brilliant young man with a great future ahead of you-that is for sure!

    Jim from Ohio

  • I know that no one asks to be gay, but I know everyone has the opportunity to chose their own destiny. I am not gay now, and I never want to look back. I faced up to the fact I had same sex attraction and found a way out. I have nothing against anyone, including the gay population, but let me, be me. I enjoy my life with my wife and children. I am not dening myself anything.

  • I am happy too! My partner and I have been together for nearly 20 years! We have had a blast. I think you are who you are and I believe it is from birth. Last year the American Psychological and Psychiatric Associations deemed reparative therapy for homosexuals as unethical. You could lose your license if as a clinician you practiced it. Numerous studies have been done and all proved it did more damage to the person.If you are truly happy then that is great. I am too!

  • I am truly happy, it took a long time, and I am truly attracted to my wife. I have been with her for many years now. The transformation is long and tedious, and no one should force anyone in any therapy, because if that person is not willing to do it themselves its a complete waste of time. As for the clinicians, it should be open to the client, not the doctor. Just because it is a law, does not make it right. God knows our country has been debating that since 1776. I wish you well.

  • @39Mustangman Just because you were unable to muster the courage to face up to your homosexuality does not mean that you should promote your decadent pseudoheterosexual lifestyle as an alternative to coming to terms with who you are.

  • Is it the children who require counseling about their sexual attractions, or the people who view it as a perversion?

  • Wow, this is probably the greatest video I've ever seen in YouTube.

    Man, you're amazing, so courageous and smart. Happy New Year!

  • Yay for Jeff

  • Dan this is an encouraging testimony - thank you for sharing it. I am a fervent believer in Jesus Christ, the bible and the Holy Spirit. When I came out people were so confused that I could be gay and yet live such fruitfl life; since they rated me as an example of how a christian should be , it doesn't make sense to many

  • 10 Stars for you Jeff. I don't how you gained so much wisdom at your young age, but that's not as important as what you do with that wisdom. This video is a genuine Christian good deed for others to learn by, maybe even heal by. Thank you from one who knows , but had to learn the same things through many life experiences.

  • You are a very exceptional young man and I know from where I speak; you are right about yourself and going in the right direction to a rewarding future. Thank you for sharing what will help other young people decide between self-respect or the misguided love from people totally ignorant about what homosexuality is.

  • "American idiot" is redundant +.+

  • Nice story, thanks.

  • Great inside story, thank you very much for being brave enough to whistle blow, and demonstraiting knowledge and trust in yourself.

  • Why do religious Americans have a problem with Homosexuality. This is the 21st Century not the middle ages. Most Christians are way behind the scienific evidence on Gays. The Church needs waking up !

  • @ikinmoore because, sadly ignorance is bliss.

  • @ikinmoore They have a problem with it because the biblical god is clearly not a fan. You can interpret the bible however you want, but when it says that homosexuality is an abomination you can't really expect them to just embrace homosexuals with open arms. The problem isn't that Christianity is behind on the scientific evidence, it's Christianity that's the problem. The only way gays will get equal rights is to abandon religion. It's outdated and ridiculous.

  • Thanks for sharing your story. I loved it.

  • Here here I so agree with you.

  • Great advice man

  • "No scientific studies have ever showed fluidity in sexual orientation"

    I beg to differ...

    See for example, "Can some gay men and lesbians change their sexual orientation" RL Spitzer, Archives of sexual behavior, 2003 Oct; 32 (5): 403-17

  • Good job, one study that simply assumes for various reasons left undisclosed that the self-proclaimed ex-gays were not simply creating an elaborate self-deception versus the dozens of studies that indicate clearly that sexuality is not fluid for the majority of people and cannot be changed.

    I bet you want a cookie now.

  • The operant word is "some". Some gays (who want to) can and have experienced diminishing of same sex attraction and increase in opposite sex attraction. Moreover, there is no evidence to support a universal or superlative notion of orientation immutability. Throwing out convenient explanations like "they're all in denial" does not prove anything. These people who have changed actually exist.

    Yes I like cookies, but I don't know what that has to do with it.