Love the way Laverne just rolls into frame, like she's on high alert any time somebody brings up a controversial subject. And keeps a statuette of Jesus on hand for such emergencies :-)
The only thing I can think of that would be somewhat ok for abortion would be if carring the child to term would endanger the life of the mother, the child, or both. Even then, it's debatable. That's just my opinion though.
wasnt eminem brought up by an alchoholic and abusive mother? but he's a succesfull multi millionaire! we can never judge if someone should live or die just because our lives suck!
The Mother: supreme lover and care taker. the safest place for a child in the world use to be any where his/her mother was... now thats the place its most likely to be destroyed...smh Lord help us.
Margaret Sanger, member of American Eugenics Society, English Eugenics Society, founder of Planned Parenthood, the United States' largest abortion provider: "Those least fit to carry on the race are increasing most rapidly ... Funds that should be used to raise the standard of our civilization are diverted to maintenance of those who should never have been born." Thats basically what abortion is.
I'm 16 and my friend had one and it was the hardest thing ever for her. But it was her choice. I respect peoples beliefs that it shouldn't be done, but if you dont like it, then dont get one. Just dont try to make other peoples lives complicated by making them have one. if the world was Pro life, we would be wayy over populated and with a lot of abusive homes etc.
@106141214 why do people only decide to make a "choice" after the fact? why did she not "choose" to not have sex as a 16 year old then the babies life would not have to be cut short becuse of its inconvenience to her life. God loves your friend and can absolutely forgive her, but to even think that murder is ok, whether inside or ouside the womb is insane... just sayin
@only4him330 But there wouldnt be a baby if she didnt choose to "have sex as a 16 year old". Therefore it's like she never did it. And it really depends on what you consider murder. When aborted it's usually so early in it's develop stages that it brings up the question if its a member of any species at all never mind a person. its also silly to assume this feteus has any desire not to die. Also what is this foundation for the moral that being a merely alive person is instrinstically good?
@106141214 But there wouldnt be a baby if she didnt choose to "have sex as a 16 year old". EXACTLY MY POINT!!! so why is it that the only one paying for her mistake is the one who isnt responsible... and to assume any living thing has no desire to live is crazy... and also, if something is "growing" that means its alive. it doesnt matter when we decide to acknowledge that its something worth saving or not. life is life and that baby has a right to persue its life.
@only4him330 If something is growing it's alive? So does that also apply to bacteria as well? Viruses in the body? They grow as well and multiply. Aren't you murdering by washing your hands? Wiping your kitchen sides with disinfectant? Taking antibiotics to kill off infections? Just like killing cells?
@beatrice8780 God bless you, i dont want to argue. I dont think I would equate a "human life" to bacteria, but even bacteria serves a purpose. everything has a place and i dont think its our place to determine what that place is. I wonder if you have any friends or siblings that have made the life you live better... now imagine if you were deprived of ever having those people touch your life? or YOU for that matter, how many lives have been touched by you? Every life is precious and made by God.
@darkfang347 you"ll wish you had listened one day... on a side note arent you shoving your opinion in our face now?... who asked for it... its your opinion, its your belief, because you decided to share it should i be offended?
@only4him330 Theres a difference between giving your opinion and Expecting everyone to have that same opinion. I respect all who have a different view then I do. I would never try and force you to believe what I do.
@griffithomi I wasn't comparing chemo to abortion. I was using it as a counter example to one of your points. Your opinion was that if technology was initially produced to have immoral effects, then it should not be used today, and that it can only be used to fulfill its initial purpose. I was stating how this is ridiculous, as there are many counter examples to this, one of which is chemo.
How did I know this was going to cause arguments just by the title? Look people, we have no right to judge, if a woman and man want an abortion I'm sure they're not doing it for the hell of it, and if they choose to have a baby, good, if they don't, their choice.
@EimiaRae ive spoken with a worker at "alternatives" which is an alternative place for women who dont want abortions but are looking for alternative routes, and she said the #1 reason mothers call are because the baby is an inconvenience. they were planning a vacation found out they were preg. and decided not to have it. an unfaithful spouse got caught-up cheating so abortion was a way out for him/her.only 1% of abortions are for high risk reasons so millions pay for a right to protect 1%
I'm conflicted on abortion. I'm for it if the pregnancy was a result of rape or incest and I'm against it if the pregnant woman doesn't want to take responsibility.
they had sex, they were two consenting adults and they knew the consequences and they had sex anyway, if you're no ready to have a kid don't have sex simple as that. I think abortion is justified only if the girl was raped simple as that.
What if giving birth would kill the mother and child anyway or if it would kill the mother alone? Nothing is clean cut and you have to think of all examples.
@thetrollking I don't feel inclined to debate that because of your name, but I'll try. What about if she was raped? You know not all girls who get pregnant are sluts. That's a very closed minded and sexist statement.
it should be illegal to get abortions. if a woman(slut) is stupid enough to get knocked up, she should have to take responsibility for what she did instead of killing the baby and thinking that that makes everything ok.
when my sister got pregnant she did not get an abortion. she told me that it was her mistake to not have safe sex so why should the baby have to pay the price. she also said its SELFISH to have an abortion and no matter the situation its murder however you put it....she was brave and thats why shes my hero
So, this is definitely the Buddy Christ from Dogma. Thumbs up for keen observation that's polarizing only if you have strong feelings about Kevin Smith movies.
interesting you mention the a.m.a because as far back the late 1850's their official position has been that life begins at conception,this finding is backed up by many scientific studies......medical university of south carolina,u.c.l.a.,harvard med school,univ. of colorado med school,the mayo clinic just to name a few....and "roe" from roe v.wade has publicly stated time and time again her regret in ever getting invovled and says she's emphatically pro-life.i have my facts you have propaganda!!
"If I were a woman I would have a 1000 abortions and fill a room with the fetuses, then I'd have a kid and when he was behaving badly I'd let him sit in the room and think of how easily I could have aborted his ass."
@Nizzemancer "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity." Now that is as straight forward as one can get
Perfect portray of two people making an important decision that affects the two of them....And low and behold....The fucking christian sticking her nose in people affairs that are non of her fucking business!!!! Typical.
@pillowbugg hey. Im christian and you know what? Im not an abortion fan myself. But yeah it really isn't her business. Funny bit though. Can't we all just let the bit be the bit and not bring politics into this? Come on people. Watch the damn show.
I can't believe people are as narrowminded as to make a sweeping statement that abortion is 'right or wrong'. No one can make a judgement about what is right or wrong unless they know the situation fully, so to say it's always correct or incorrect....well, it's just idiocy, every situation will be unique.
Examples of very different situations - a rape victim, a woman who uses proper precautions but they fail, a woman who doesn't use proper precautions. All have varying levels of appropriacy.
@jackamatyus You are right. But why should we stop having safe abortions because stupid whores will abuse it. We need to keep it legal for the person who was raped, for the mother who will die if the baby isn't aborted or for the mother whose baby has died or is dying inside her and she rather kill it than have it go through the suffering. The point of keeping it legal is to keep it safe for the people who need it. Yeah whores will use it, but why punish the right people because of the wrong.
@jackamatyus dude what you said makes loads of sense and is probably one of the smarter things i have read on yt also i don't know why everyone is getting bent out of shape on this subject i mean its just kinda stupid
@jackamatyus i am sick and tired of people using the rape card to justify the murder of an unborn child.......there is no doubt that a woman getting raped is absolutely horrific,but why punsh an innocent child who has commited no crime.....now if the woman does not think she can handle the child than put them up for adoption.....punish the monster assaulting the woman not unborn child who did no wrong!!!!!
@spiked200 I don't know what country you are from, but usually adoption isn't exactly a brilliant place for a child to be. It's not like every child goes to a lovely, happy family. Besides, the woman, who had to go through the horrible experience of being raped, would have to go through 9 months of pregnancy, being constantly reminded that she was raped. Harm could come to her, there's no doubt she would get depressed, especially with the hormone changes associated with pregnancy.
@spiked200 also, try to be objective. It's so annoying to read people inserting venomous words such as 'murder' and 'monster' in arguments. But I do agree, the rapist should be punished, but ultimately (in this case) it's entirely up to the woman what she does with her body. You can't force her to have a baby and its associated life difficulties, especially after she had endured something as traumatic as rape.
@spiked200 the concept of "punishing an unborn child" is a very faulty one. the very purpose of punishment is for it to be experienced. an 8 week fetus hasn't the capacity to experience anything and therefore hasn't the capacity to be punished. this punishment myth was only created to demonize the women who need abortions by making it appear as though they're maliciously pitted against their embryos. if you want to oppose abortion, fine. but do it on facts, not antichoice propaganda.
@girlevolving i am using the facts unlike you and your "pro choice" ilk who use scientifically disproven claims such as the ones you make.......and saving a childs life (born or not) is not propaganda and how dare you call it that!!!!!!
@spiked200 what facts? please do substantiate your claims. i have the AMA, APA,CDC, etc to back up mine. what have you? as you didn't bother backing up your "facts", i'm going to guess nothing. which amounts to your claims still being propaganda. propaganda, ftr, is characterized by using untrue statements to gain support, which is very much what the antichoice are famous for doing.
you can get as pissy as you want. but it won't change the fact you can't substantiate anything.
@girlevolving However you look at it, abortion is murder. Fetuses become babies, babies become children, children become teens, and so on. as soon as the pregnacy is diagnosed, it's a living thing. Abortion is murder in every conceivable way. Why not just give birth to the baby and THEN give it to ADOPTION if the irresponsible (sometimes stupid) teens don't want it. I can't believe it normally takes months to decide on an abortion; i just came up with the adoption option in 5 seconds -_-
@lover3963 1. by your logic, fetuses are nothing more than pre-dead people as they'll just get old and die, thus abortion simply saves a few steps. your logic, thus, fails. 2. as murder is a legal term, abortion cannot be defined as murder. seriously. have me arrested for my abortion. i'll give you the # to my local PD. 3. teens are a small percentage of abortion patients. majority is 24-30. i was 25. 4. i am adopted. do not talk to me about the adoption fantasy. (cntd)
@girlevolving wow. you're just pissed cuz your real parents never wanted you. Fetuses have a chance to become living breathing people, if you prevent that, your killing it, that makes you a murderer (whether the law says so or not). How would you like it if you were in your mom's stomach but never got a chance to live outside of it? Think about the babies instead of your selfish self
@lover3963 HAHAHA!! wow. you really are skin deep at best aren't you? you know nothing of the circumstance of my adoption. MY PARENTS ARE DEAD, GENIUS. i was bounced through the foster system until my grandparents were able to locate me. there is NOTHING nice about the US's legalized kidnapping system & i can assert this from experience.
the "how would you feel if your mom aborted you" arguement is among my favourites. it's truly hilarious. please see next panel for explanation.
@girlevolving for me to give about being aborted would be dependent upon my being completely sentient at conception. this is a physical impossibility. thus, had she aborted me how i would feel would be something like "......................................................." yeah. nothing. i wouldn't have a brain and therefore wouldn't much care. much like i wouldn't have cared if she'd had a miscarriage or remembered her BC pills.
again, do you need my # for my local PD? i'm happy to supply.
@lover3963 6. your "irresponsible teen" assumption is wrong on two counts: the aforementioned teens being of a small percentage for one, AND the "irresponsibility" assertion. 54% were using BC that failed. at least 20% are victims of reproductive coersion, often with violent partners. appx 4% believed themselves infertile as diagnosed by prior drs. pray tell, which of these were "irresponsible" again? (cntd)
@lover3963 7. where do you get that it takes months to decide on an abortion? 94% of abortions are performed prior to 8 weeks gestation. most pregnancies aren't even detected until at least 5-6 weeks. this leaves an average window of 2 1/2 weeks per woman in which her decision is made. not even ONE month, much less several.
and once again, you've failed to substantiate ANY of your claims with verifiable research. no one cares if you don't like abortion. that's your right. DON'T HAVE ONE.
@griffithomi Don't forget the woman is also innocent, what makes the rights of the child more important than the rights of the woman?
Also, what if the standard of living for the innocent would be so poor, that it would be kinder not to raise them to consciousness? What is more cruel, letting an undeveloped fetus die, or letting a sentient, self aware child suffer and die from such things as starvation or thirst?
In a perfect world I would agree with you, but the world is far from perfect.
@jackamatyus Well, for one point, the women won't likely die, were as the child will.
There is no point of living like that. I grew up in a terrible lifestyle, I have worked with children from poor and abusive families, and I have worked with special needs people, 90% of them don't wish their parents had killed them. Don't act like you are trying to do something for the good of the child, because that is nothing but bullshit.
@griffithomi Just because she might not die (which in some cases she may) does not mean affecting her life is acceptable. Also, don't start getting mad, I'm actually slightly on your side, I think abortion should be avoided whenever possible. But I'm not so ignorant as to say 'abortion is always wrong', because I believe in choice, and it's not always wrong.
You can't just make sweeping statements like that, you haven't met every person who could have been aborted who wasn't.
@jackamatyus I disagree. Put qualifiers on abortion means that killing an innocent is acceptable if it serves a cause you deem reasonable. It is the same thought process that allows wars like Iraq, it is the same thought that leads to invasion of privacy and internment camps, and ultimately, to things like what Hitler did. Either it is wrong to kill an innocent always, or never. And I can tell, personally, that there is no situation, no matter how awful, that I would rather be dead than alive.
@griffithomi You can't compare allowing a rape victim to have an abortion to Hitler killing millions on self aware humans. If you're going to make such comparisons I'm not going to continue this discussion, because quite frankly you're being ridiculous.
And it's not even close to that thought process. War is entirely different, war has alternate goals and participants. Killing innocents isn't the same in every situation. You can't say a soldier killing a citizen is the same as aborting a fetus.
@jackamatyus I am not comparing them, I am saying the thought process you are using to justify it is that, it is for the betterment of society. That is the same thought every man now regarded as a villain had. Do you really think Hitler woke up one day and said "hey, lets kill some Jews" and all of Germany agreed? No, he believed it was for the betterment of the human race to kill those he deemed inferior or unworthy. The thought process, not the actions, are the same.
@griffithomi Again, they are not to same thought processes. Hitler, like you said, wanted to exterminate and purify the German race. Abortion has nothing to do with that (unless you're looking only at that one end of the spectrum in which people abort 'undesirable' babies, which I entirely disagree with). Abortion is about portecting the woman, and preventing the suffering of a future person. They are nothing alike at all.
@jackamatyus I am not talking about abortion as a whole in this instance, I am talking about your argument that it would be better for the child to not be born. That it is "in the best interest of society and the child". Tell that to survivors. Race "science" is what lead to abortion in the first place, and it is incredibly harmful to minority populations. Opposing abortion is about protecting children, don't complain about someone taking the moral high ground and then doing it yourself.
@griffithomi Don't pretend to quote or paraphrase things which I have most certainly not said, it's quite infuriating.
Also, the foundations of abortion have hardly anything to do with its modern application. Did you know chemotherapy, that treats and even sometimes cures millions of cancers each year, was first discovered by experimentation with mustard gas, designed to kill and torture people during war? Does that mean we should now make it illegal? No. You're clutching at straws with that one
@jackamatyus Not the same, because Chemo does not know specifically effect minority populations to this day. People do not donate specifically to fund minority abortions only. There is still a racial side to it that people want to ignore. African-Americans are below the sustainable birth rate because of abortion, and with higher crime rates due to their poverty levels, they also have a high mortality rate. Comparing Chemo to abortion is still a terrible example, and you are grasping straws.
@griffithomi And that is good, I admire and applaud you on your work. When I am past university and have stable living, I intend to do as much as I can for the human race, both through work and volunteering. That doesn't change this debate though. As I have stated previously, you have not met every person, you haven't met those who have already suffered and died, how can you know what they would have wanted? You have only met those who survive, and thusly are more postitive about life.
@jackamatyus I have not only met those that have survived, but my point is exactly what you said. How can I know what they would have wanted? What right does any of us have making that choice for another, no matter their geography or age.
@jackamatyus I also believe in choice, but I recognize that we can not allow a lower level liberty to interfere with a higher level liberty. All liberties stem from higher level liberties, and the ultimate has to be life. Without it, no other liberty can exist, otherwise if they exercise that right, they could be killed and there would be no infringement on that right, but it would be restricted through fear.
@griffithomi You can't just try and take the moral high ground and claim life is above all other options, when it isn't. True, life should be decided before all other options, but it is not always the 'best' option. What about the many people who would be brought into an unloving world just to suffer and die? What about the many women who would then go for unsafe alternatives to abortion when it is banned? The world is not perfect, you can't be so rigid and narrowminded in your opinions.
@jackamatyus I can understand that it may seem that way, but I am not trying to claim the moral high ground here. And as for women who would then break the law, that argument is akin to saying that if we don't legalize murder, people will continue to do it in an unsafe way. It is a terrible argument. If they feel the need to kill their child so badly that they would risk their own lives, then they will get the consequences of their actions. my opinions are narrowminded because they aren't yours.
@griffithomi It's not akin to legalising murder, as murder is not already legal. This is about making something that is legal, illegal. It's akin to say, banning smoking everywhere. Instead of people not smoking, they'll just take up smoking in hiding, buying backstreet cigarettes made by shady people, which will probably end up killing more smokers than the company ones we have now. Likewise, you ban abortion, people will still get abortions, albeit, in unsafer conditions (backsteet abortions)
@jackamatyus And that is the risk they take, although that is a terrible example, worse by far than mine. But even that makes my point clear. They are making the choice to get cigs. illegally, and for that reason, instead of fighting to change the legislation and not breaking the law, we would rather ignore the clearly self-inflicted harm and blame it on another. This was a bad example though, because most people are not addicted to abortions and smoking is far less likely to cause death.
@griffithomi I shouldn't have used the smoking anology, like you should not have used the murder anology, it seems to have confused you. Let's avoid that from now on, anologies don't work.
Aborting a fetus has nothing to do with benefiting or affecting society, it's to avoid causing unnecessary pain and suffering, to both the child and the mother. Hardly anyone aborts a baby with the sole purpose of furthering the human race somehow, and when (rarely) that occurs, it is most certainly immoral.
@griffithomi And your opinions are narrowminded because you're making a blanket statement about an issue which has potentially millions of unique situations, not because your opinions are not mine. You are not the person or people involved. Therefore making a sweeping statement that something is as subjective as 'right or wrong' is extremely narrowminded.
@jackamatyus But my point is that I recognize that there are millions of situations, and I still believe that exterminating the life of an innocent is never acceptable. I am opposed to war for the same reason, opposed to the death penalty as well for the same reason. There are gray areas in many issues, but the right to life has to be a sticking point, or all other rights unravel. If you find that narrow minded, that shows an ignorance on your part, not mine.
@griffithomi It is narrowminded, yes. If you ever say something is always right or wrong, regardless of unique circumstances, you are being narrowminded. You're ignoring all alternatives before even knowing about the situation to its full extent, that is almost the definition of narrowmindedness.
I disagree, I think that abortion should never be entirely eliminated as an option. I think abortion should be avoided whenever possible, but never be banned and villainised by fundamentalists.
@griffithomi Also, why should life be the 'sticking point'? What about suffering, and pain? Blindly ignoring the suffering of others because you believe they need to be alive is extremely immoral in my eyes.
It's similar with issues such as euthanasia, sucide, and such things as condom use to prevent AIDS. There are always fundamentalists who zealously preach how life is sacred and should not be prevented, irregardless of circumstances or suffering of the actual people involved.
@jackamatyus I don't blindly ignore suffering. I do everything I can to ease suffering and pain. I volunteer every free minute I have to helping in some of the worst places in the world, I spend summers in other countries to help with the AIDS epidemic. No one in this country suffers as they do, and they would not ever want to die. People in the worst situations still fight to live because life in pain is to them still better than death. I am not a fundamentalist.
@griffithomi I'm also not acting like I'm doing something good for the child, my argument is geared towards protecting the woman. But again, you have not met every child. What about the people you have not met, the ones who starve to death, or are beaten to death before they can get help? You don't consider them because you haven't met them.
This scene is funny, but there seems to be quite a bit of debate around here, damn. Personally, I don't the idea of abortion because it is just inherently an ugly subject, but at the same time who the hell am I to say what someone does or doesn't do with their own body. So, in that sense, I'd say that it at least has to be legal as an option. Its ugly, yes, but I think its worse to legislate what someone can or cannot do to themselves in that scenario.
Abortion is an escape. Abortion is an excuse for a girl who made a stupid decision and didnt take proper measures to make sure they didnt get prego in the first place. I think that a baby is a proper lesson for not being careful. If you decide to have sex then realize the consequences before hand and dont use abortion to clear up your mistake. Although I am a christian there is my non-religious answer to that problem. Happy?
@bigolgreen No, because then the baby will grow up in a world of hate and inadequate care. The baby should instead be put into adoption where people who actually want a child can take care of them.
Doesn't that mean the child still has to be born. Sometimes a child can change a parent, not all of them but sometimes. Even if the child was born into a bad home it is still a life, and every life deserves a chance why should the child who is not even born die because the parent is no good. Kids rise up out of bad situations all the time, in the gheto to brilliant minds, why should we rob the world of that chance because a child might have to go through some tribulations. Thats all life is.
@bigolgreen I'm not saying they should be aborted, I'm saying they should be given to orphanages. There are a lot of people who want children, but for medical reasons, cannot have their own.
How come so many pro-life comments flagged as spam... And yeah, I disagree with abortion mainly because of the option to give the child up to adoption. Not an ideal solution I know but still better than some alternatives.
@Regless Well, the good news is that it's not your business to tell women what to do with their own bodies. So don't you worry yourself over what you think the options are or what the ideal solutions for them would be, because it's none of your business.
@BigMikeMcBastard Yea Much like rape, child abuse, infantacide, theft, assault are none of my buisness. If you think somone is being wronged than you try and stop. A wrong is still a wrong even if done privately.
@leachyau Except abortion is a victimless crime, so it's not at all comparable. An embryo or earlier term fetus isn't any more a person than an ovum or a spermatazoa is if you actually look at it objectively.
And besides, if abortions aren't done in sanitary clinics and hospitals they'll be done in bathrooms and "back alleys". What do you think the leading cause of death was amongst women of reproductive age prior to the legalization of abortion? Making abortion illegal doesn't help at all.
@BigMikeMcBastard Actually it does help, if the abortion is extremly painful and lethal do the woman we will have one less retard to be worried about.And by the way, you're actually a fetus, and im actually a fetus,a fetus is something that will become a human like you and me,if it is aborted that human being will practicly be deleted from time, aka murder.Also since when did women get power over life and death?If they do have it, it will only be fair if i get my gun and make some "choices" too!
@BigMikeMcBastard <implying you just got pwned and can't say some more INTEHLECSHUAL bullshit so you do some fail insults.L2internet if the word faggot isn't mentioned at least once in the insult you're doing it wrong.
@drdttdtrestds - Your morals and ethics are just so darn cute. :D Excuse me while I sneeze my own on you there buckaroo! ACHOO - I wouldn't be surprised if you were for negative eugenics. Something that Hitler did and that we pretty much did as well, only to stop so we would be seen as morally right. :D Don't you just love your world? People just love to say how much people don't have a choice, but here they are making the it a choice that people follow their beliefs. Everything's absolute! <3
1. So murdering a child is wrong but sending people to war is okay?
2. Pro choice is about giving the woman a safe and legal choice. I myself am a man who is pro choice but personally wouldn't abort a child. All the religious propaganda by your side doesn't count?
3. Don't criticize something you understand, just makes you sound more ignorant.
4. No comment.
5. No comment.
6. We don't want to kill every fetus in sight, reason why its called a choice.
@drdttdtrestds If its your child and you want to keep it then you should be allowed full custody of the child and raise it all by yourself. But if you want to be a stupid Anon and just discriminate against women and take way their rights then go fuck yourself.
@MMaeidlilniAW So wait you're saying wimminz really do have power over life death and rebirth and also taking it would be unfair?Oh im sorry my self pronounced supreme god of justice, but life doesn't work like that, women have a fucking vagina, to make fucking disgusting little retards that will grow up and kill each other and blow shit up, if they want to change that, plastic surgery.Anon has owned you, have a nice day
@drdttdtrestds A women has a right to her body. The fetus doesn't breath in air or consume food on its on. Its not alive. And I don't see why an Anon is so pro life if you tell any suicidal pussy to kill themselves the second you see them. A women isn't a vagina for you to use. I am sorry if your crazy bible has told you otherwise, but a women is a fully functional human being who can think for herself. The child is her responsibility, so she can choose to get rid of it or not. Anon lost.
@ObamaIsAMarxistTowel My god you reps are stalkers. Crazy fuckin assholes. We talk on TYT Only fucker. Now leave me the fuck alone you crazy ass creep. Your insane.
@ObamaIsAMarxistTowel People like you make me think 90% your race is ignorant and racist. I think you should have your junk cut off so you can never have stupid ignorant children. We need people like dead. And no not white people, ignorant retarded people.
@ObamaIsAMarxistTowel Stop stalking me or we won't have this nice arguments anymore. Damn creepy motherfucker. Stalking a 16 year old boy. What does that make you?
@ObamaIsAMarxistTowel Fine at least I don't see your ignorant ass in my inbox anymore. You say lose but I get my sanity rather than talking to an ignorant fuckhead who is thickheaded
@MMaeidlilniAW Yeah, Anon believes that baby murder is fun, but women killing babies on the other side isn't.Also i'd like you to know the Necronomicon has no opinion over feminazism.Im not giving women the power over life and death because of the fact that if a woman has the choice to not give birth, she won't.And the human race will slowly go extinct due to planet parenthood, also if one retarded woman doesn't give one retarded child life, one retard can't be on the internet to be trolled.lulz
@drdttdtrestds Some woman want to be parents, especially once they hit their 30's, so your logic is a fail. We have too many people on this planet on the moment to the point that we are overusing our resources. And don't be a stupid rep and believing whatever Fox News tells you, because Planned Parenthood actually called the FBI on that stupid sting operation of yours before they knew anything of it. You people fail so much that you have to make us look back so you can look anywhere near okay.
@drdttdtrestds Women have the right to her body. If she wanted an abortion so badly, she can do it herself or go to another country and get it done. Point of being pro-choice is that she can have a legal and SAFE option. Because no matter what, you prolifers won't stop abortion, just make it a little harder to get them, just like you guys do with drugs. All your policies fail. Pro choice with everything, abortion, prostitution and drugs. And tax the fuck out of the last two. Solved the deficit.
@MMaeidlilniAW Yeah, women have the right to their body, not the baby's body.Point of being pro-choice is a bunch of other sluts who feel guilt after murdering kids so they need to constantly argue that a fetus is totally not a child, but it will be in 9 months, before that its an alien to convince themselves they did the right thing.And you know il feel pretty bad when i hear someone can have a safe and legal abortion, i mean why safe?Where's the fun in that?
@drdttdtrestds Our country is suppose to be about being free. You idiots call for smaller gov. and then want to control what a person does in their average day. Luckily you Anons are too crazy and fails at life that you will have no real control over this matter. Also a fetus is not a child. Its part of the woman's body until you cut that cord. I am not a woman. Nor would I make my girlfriend go through an abortion if she got pregnant. But I still believe it isn't a child until its first breath.
@drdttdtrestds the fedus's body is inside the woman's body, thus making it her choice. The woman should have every right to choose wether or not she wants that fedus inside of her or not, as long as it can't survive otherwise. That is why abortion is legal up to the point where the baby could actually survive outside its mother's belly. But this is the wrong forum for this debate anyway; this is a clip from a comedy.
@MMaeidlilniAW I have no moral qualms with abortion but I do think that it should be illegal. If you are interested in hearing the perspectives of a rational, secular prolife person please check out my channel. You might find it refreshingly rational.
@jackamatyus Well, that's actually a myth originating with a study conducted by a guy named Dr. Frederick Taussig in 1936. However, the study has since become out dated,In 1961 Mary Calderon (then president of Planned Parenthood) estimated that 90 per cent of all illegal abortions were performed by trained professions in cleanly environments. Indeed, legalizing abortion did nothing to decrease abortion related deaths in women. I'll PM you a video with citations and more info.
@BigMikeMcBastard Actually the entire debate centers around whether it's just their bodies or not. Otherwise it wouldn't even be an issue... But you're right. It's none of my business and frankly, I wouldn't know what to do if it was. I shouldn't be allowed to pick their dresses when they take me shopping either. Oh man last time I tried that I wish someone aborted me... oh wait, no I didn't.
@BigMikeMcBastard Actually this entire debate is occuring because it's not just there bodies. If it was I wouldn't care. Few would. But you do have a point. None of my business. And thank heavens because I wouldn't know what to do if it was. I shouldn't be allowed to pick women's dresses either when they take me shopping. Some things should just be left up to women.
The answer is that its undeniable that the Jesus of The Bible stands out because its clear that He is unlike any other so-called god. in presenting this talking statue as a mockery of Jesus they unnkowingly reveal their subliminal thoughts.
@cr87129 , subliminal thoughts lol. Maybe you should stop to consider the fact that x-tianity is overwhelmingly the majority in U.S. and that's why it's used as a reference when taking on religion.
its funny how people who hate God/Jesus, like the producer's of scrubs, attempt to make Jesus out to be "one of many gods" yet God-haters always focus their attack on Jesus .
@cr87129 have you ever stopped to think thats because they are probably all Jewish. Have you seen the skit where Larry David urinates on a picture of Jesus? Can you imagine a show where someone urinated on the book of Kabbalah?
ABORT ALL BABIES! EVERYBODY RUN!!!
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Wow I used to love scrubs, but that's serious bs.
XXBleedingrose 1 month ago
How did I get here from chicago hope? Chuckle chuckle ha ha.
cr87129 1 month ago
Love the way Laverne just rolls into frame, like she's on high alert any time somebody brings up a controversial subject. And keeps a statuette of Jesus on hand for such emergencies :-)
evilphil 1 month ago
ohhhh laverne haha
urusai1989 2 months ago
is that dave grohl?
jamahl 3 months ago
I say only if it would kill the mother or the baby anyway.
Otherwise it should be made clear you're killing a person.
SixFootTallMidget 3 months ago
The only thing I can think of that would be somewhat ok for abortion would be if carring the child to term would endanger the life of the mother, the child, or both. Even then, it's debatable. That's just my opinion though.
mrsdeshiro 3 months ago
@mrsdeshiro It isn`t oke if itendangers the mother cause a parent can`t sacrifice their child!!!!!!!!!
freewilllover 1 month ago
An argument on abortions?? How unexpected!!!
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MrRichardsome1 4 months ago 3
What part of the word "NO" don't you understand? What part of the word "kill" don't you understand? Anything else out of their mouths is an "EXCUSE".
67bandit67 4 months ago
wasnt eminem brought up by an alchoholic and abusive mother? but he's a succesfull multi millionaire! we can never judge if someone should live or die just because our lives suck!
damienbrennan1 4 months ago
Babies are known to be sticky
MrQwerty2355 4 months ago 5
The Mother: supreme lover and care taker. the safest place for a child in the world use to be any where his/her mother was... now thats the place its most likely to be destroyed...smh Lord help us.
only4him330 4 months ago
I liked how Laverne's Jesus statue had a "sacred heart" on it. (CCCCCC-COMBO BREAKER!)
jparkss15 4 months ago
Margaret Sanger, member of American Eugenics Society, English Eugenics Society, founder of Planned Parenthood, the United States' largest abortion provider: "Those least fit to carry on the race are increasing most rapidly ... Funds that should be used to raise the standard of our civilization are diverted to maintenance of those who should never have been born." Thats basically what abortion is.
evilhand3 4 months ago
LOL Owen Wilson...
rdorwa 4 months ago
I'm 16 and my friend had one and it was the hardest thing ever for her. But it was her choice. I respect peoples beliefs that it shouldn't be done, but if you dont like it, then dont get one. Just dont try to make other peoples lives complicated by making them have one. if the world was Pro life, we would be wayy over populated and with a lot of abusive homes etc.
106141214 5 months ago
@106141214 why do people only decide to make a "choice" after the fact? why did she not "choose" to not have sex as a 16 year old then the babies life would not have to be cut short becuse of its inconvenience to her life. God loves your friend and can absolutely forgive her, but to even think that murder is ok, whether inside or ouside the womb is insane... just sayin
only4him330 4 months ago
@only4him330 But there wouldnt be a baby if she didnt choose to "have sex as a 16 year old". Therefore it's like she never did it. And it really depends on what you consider murder. When aborted it's usually so early in it's develop stages that it brings up the question if its a member of any species at all never mind a person. its also silly to assume this feteus has any desire not to die. Also what is this foundation for the moral that being a merely alive person is instrinstically good?
106141214 4 months ago
@106141214 But there wouldnt be a baby if she didnt choose to "have sex as a 16 year old". EXACTLY MY POINT!!! so why is it that the only one paying for her mistake is the one who isnt responsible... and to assume any living thing has no desire to live is crazy... and also, if something is "growing" that means its alive. it doesnt matter when we decide to acknowledge that its something worth saving or not. life is life and that baby has a right to persue its life.
only4him330 4 months ago
@only4him330 If something is growing it's alive? So does that also apply to bacteria as well? Viruses in the body? They grow as well and multiply. Aren't you murdering by washing your hands? Wiping your kitchen sides with disinfectant? Taking antibiotics to kill off infections? Just like killing cells?
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@beatrice8780 God bless you, i dont want to argue. I dont think I would equate a "human life" to bacteria, but even bacteria serves a purpose. everything has a place and i dont think its our place to determine what that place is. I wonder if you have any friends or siblings that have made the life you live better... now imagine if you were deprived of ever having those people touch your life? or YOU for that matter, how many lives have been touched by you? Every life is precious and made by God.
only4him330 4 months ago
One of the reason I cant stand Liverne... So quick to shove her religion in everyones face.
darkfang347 5 months ago
@darkfang347 well yea but thats why shes funny
gameguy20100 4 months ago
@darkfang347 you"ll wish you had listened one day... on a side note arent you shoving your opinion in our face now?... who asked for it... its your opinion, its your belief, because you decided to share it should i be offended?
only4him330 4 months ago
@only4him330 Theres a difference between giving your opinion and Expecting everyone to have that same opinion. I respect all who have a different view then I do. I would never try and force you to believe what I do.
darkfang347 4 months ago
@griffithomi I wasn't comparing chemo to abortion. I was using it as a counter example to one of your points. Your opinion was that if technology was initially produced to have immoral effects, then it should not be used today, and that it can only be used to fulfill its initial purpose. I was stating how this is ridiculous, as there are many counter examples to this, one of which is chemo.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus True, but it is still being used for those purposes in this case, so it really is not the same situation.
griffithomi 5 months ago
How did I know this was going to cause arguments just by the title? Look people, we have no right to judge, if a woman and man want an abortion I'm sure they're not doing it for the hell of it, and if they choose to have a baby, good, if they don't, their choice.
EimiaRae 5 months ago
@EimiaRae ive spoken with a worker at "alternatives" which is an alternative place for women who dont want abortions but are looking for alternative routes, and she said the #1 reason mothers call are because the baby is an inconvenience. they were planning a vacation found out they were preg. and decided not to have it. an unfaithful spouse got caught-up cheating so abortion was a way out for him/her.only 1% of abortions are for high risk reasons so millions pay for a right to protect 1%
only4him330 4 months ago
I'm conflicted on abortion. I'm for it if the pregnancy was a result of rape or incest and I'm against it if the pregnant woman doesn't want to take responsibility.
Drixenol86 5 months ago
they had sex, they were two consenting adults and they knew the consequences and they had sex anyway, if you're no ready to have a kid don't have sex simple as that. I think abortion is justified only if the girl was raped simple as that.
ThePoiuytrewq232 5 months ago
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What if giving birth would kill the mother and child anyway or if it would kill the mother alone? Nothing is clean cut and you have to think of all examples.
palliah2 5 months ago
@thetrollking I don't feel inclined to debate that because of your name, but I'll try. What about if she was raped? You know not all girls who get pregnant are sluts. That's a very closed minded and sexist statement.
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it should be illegal to get abortions. if a woman(slut) is stupid enough to get knocked up, she should have to take responsibility for what she did instead of killing the baby and thinking that that makes everything ok.
thetrollking124 5 months ago
Does anybody else think Jesus is just like Dr Phil ?
systemcat 6 months ago
@systemcat i knew he looked familler
gameguy20100 4 months ago
when my sister got pregnant she did not get an abortion. she told me that it was her mistake to not have safe sex so why should the baby have to pay the price. she also said its SELFISH to have an abortion and no matter the situation its murder however you put it....she was brave and thats why shes my hero
karinababyyy 6 months ago
@karinababyyy ok and your telling us this why?
gameguy20100 3 months ago
So, this is definitely the Buddy Christ from Dogma. Thumbs up for keen observation that's polarizing only if you have strong feelings about Kevin Smith movies.
purpledanube 6 months ago
interesting you mention the a.m.a because as far back the late 1850's their official position has been that life begins at conception,this finding is backed up by many scientific studies......medical university of south carolina,u.c.l.a.,harvard med school,univ. of colorado med school,the mayo clinic just to name a few....and "roe" from roe v.wade has publicly stated time and time again her regret in ever getting invovled and says she's emphatically pro-life.i have my facts you have propaganda!!
spiked200 6 months ago
Abort the babies!
KesserCFC4eva 6 months ago
Pro I don't give a fuck.
RevengeDiesCold1 7 months ago
"If I were a woman I would have a 1000 abortions and fill a room with the fetuses, then I'd have a kid and when he was behaving badly I'd let him sit in the room and think of how easily I could have aborted his ass."
Nizzemancer 8 months ago 2
@Nizzemancer thats the most horrible/funny thing ive ever heard.
chillbilly21 8 months ago 8
@Nizzemancer "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity." Now that is as straight forward as one can get
67bandit67 4 months ago
*High pitched voice* No abortons! x3!! lmao
XxRokusasuxX 8 months ago
abortion ftw
2Gud2BeTrue 8 months ago
laverne is kinda annoyin its all god this god that id just tell her to fuck off instead of sayin none o ur buisness
loopedvirus 8 months ago
i love abortion
HarajukuEthan 9 months ago
I love that Laverne just has a Jesus Statue with her wherever she goes....
SpecialPrincess13 9 months ago 3
Perfect portray of two people making an important decision that affects the two of them....And low and behold....The fucking christian sticking her nose in people affairs that are non of her fucking business!!!! Typical.
pillowbugg 9 months ago 3
@pillowbugg hey. Im christian and you know what? Im not an abortion fan myself. But yeah it really isn't her business. Funny bit though. Can't we all just let the bit be the bit and not bring politics into this? Come on people. Watch the damn show.
eastwing329 9 months ago 2
@eastwing329 I like you.
specialkrj 8 months ago
Abortion is OK, deal with it.
Dltize 10 months ago
pro choice :D
bellyzbad 10 months ago
That's the religious take alright...whatever the jesus statue tells them to think. ahahahah
jesusisbling 10 months ago
I can't believe people are as narrowminded as to make a sweeping statement that abortion is 'right or wrong'. No one can make a judgement about what is right or wrong unless they know the situation fully, so to say it's always correct or incorrect....well, it's just idiocy, every situation will be unique.
Examples of very different situations - a rape victim, a woman who uses proper precautions but they fail, a woman who doesn't use proper precautions. All have varying levels of appropriacy.
jackamatyus 11 months ago 28
@jackamatyus You are right. But why should we stop having safe abortions because stupid whores will abuse it. We need to keep it legal for the person who was raped, for the mother who will die if the baby isn't aborted or for the mother whose baby has died or is dying inside her and she rather kill it than have it go through the suffering. The point of keeping it legal is to keep it safe for the people who need it. Yeah whores will use it, but why punish the right people because of the wrong.
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago
@jackamatyus dude what you said makes loads of sense and is probably one of the smarter things i have read on yt also i don't know why everyone is getting bent out of shape on this subject i mean its just kinda stupid
steeldragon95 10 months ago
@jackamatyus don't forget when it's pregnancy goes wrong and you have to choose the either the child or the mother. Sad lose lose situation.
Regless 7 months ago
@jackamatyus i am sick and tired of people using the rape card to justify the murder of an unborn child.......there is no doubt that a woman getting raped is absolutely horrific,but why punsh an innocent child who has commited no crime.....now if the woman does not think she can handle the child than put them up for adoption.....punish the monster assaulting the woman not unborn child who did no wrong!!!!!
spiked200 7 months ago
@spiked200 I don't know what country you are from, but usually adoption isn't exactly a brilliant place for a child to be. It's not like every child goes to a lovely, happy family. Besides, the woman, who had to go through the horrible experience of being raped, would have to go through 9 months of pregnancy, being constantly reminded that she was raped. Harm could come to her, there's no doubt she would get depressed, especially with the hormone changes associated with pregnancy.
jackamatyus 7 months ago
@spiked200 also, try to be objective. It's so annoying to read people inserting venomous words such as 'murder' and 'monster' in arguments. But I do agree, the rapist should be punished, but ultimately (in this case) it's entirely up to the woman what she does with her body. You can't force her to have a baby and its associated life difficulties, especially after she had endured something as traumatic as rape.
jackamatyus 7 months ago
@spiked200 the concept of "punishing an unborn child" is a very faulty one. the very purpose of punishment is for it to be experienced. an 8 week fetus hasn't the capacity to experience anything and therefore hasn't the capacity to be punished. this punishment myth was only created to demonize the women who need abortions by making it appear as though they're maliciously pitted against their embryos. if you want to oppose abortion, fine. but do it on facts, not antichoice propaganda.
girlevolving 6 months ago
@girlevolving i am using the facts unlike you and your "pro choice" ilk who use scientifically disproven claims such as the ones you make.......and saving a childs life (born or not) is not propaganda and how dare you call it that!!!!!!
spiked200 6 months ago
@spiked200 what facts? please do substantiate your claims. i have the AMA, APA,CDC, etc to back up mine. what have you? as you didn't bother backing up your "facts", i'm going to guess nothing. which amounts to your claims still being propaganda. propaganda, ftr, is characterized by using untrue statements to gain support, which is very much what the antichoice are famous for doing.
you can get as pissy as you want. but it won't change the fact you can't substantiate anything.
girlevolving 6 months ago
@girlevolving However you look at it, abortion is murder. Fetuses become babies, babies become children, children become teens, and so on. as soon as the pregnacy is diagnosed, it's a living thing. Abortion is murder in every conceivable way. Why not just give birth to the baby and THEN give it to ADOPTION if the irresponsible (sometimes stupid) teens don't want it. I can't believe it normally takes months to decide on an abortion; i just came up with the adoption option in 5 seconds -_-
lover3963 6 months ago
@lover3963 1. by your logic, fetuses are nothing more than pre-dead people as they'll just get old and die, thus abortion simply saves a few steps. your logic, thus, fails. 2. as murder is a legal term, abortion cannot be defined as murder. seriously. have me arrested for my abortion. i'll give you the # to my local PD. 3. teens are a small percentage of abortion patients. majority is 24-30. i was 25. 4. i am adopted. do not talk to me about the adoption fantasy. (cntd)
girlevolving 6 months ago
@girlevolving wow. you're just pissed cuz your real parents never wanted you. Fetuses have a chance to become living breathing people, if you prevent that, your killing it, that makes you a murderer (whether the law says so or not). How would you like it if you were in your mom's stomach but never got a chance to live outside of it? Think about the babies instead of your selfish self
lover3963 6 months ago
@lover3963 HAHAHA!! wow. you really are skin deep at best aren't you? you know nothing of the circumstance of my adoption. MY PARENTS ARE DEAD, GENIUS. i was bounced through the foster system until my grandparents were able to locate me. there is NOTHING nice about the US's legalized kidnapping system & i can assert this from experience.
the "how would you feel if your mom aborted you" arguement is among my favourites. it's truly hilarious. please see next panel for explanation.
girlevolving 6 months ago
@girlevolving for me to give about being aborted would be dependent upon my being completely sentient at conception. this is a physical impossibility. thus, had she aborted me how i would feel would be something like "......................................................." yeah. nothing. i wouldn't have a brain and therefore wouldn't much care. much like i wouldn't have cared if she'd had a miscarriage or remembered her BC pills.
again, do you need my # for my local PD? i'm happy to supply.
girlevolving 6 months ago
@girlevolving if you assert something through experience it is no longer an asserion
Pigroota 5 months ago
@lover3963 6. your "irresponsible teen" assumption is wrong on two counts: the aforementioned teens being of a small percentage for one, AND the "irresponsibility" assertion. 54% were using BC that failed. at least 20% are victims of reproductive coersion, often with violent partners. appx 4% believed themselves infertile as diagnosed by prior drs. pray tell, which of these were "irresponsible" again? (cntd)
girlevolving 6 months ago
@lover3963 7. where do you get that it takes months to decide on an abortion? 94% of abortions are performed prior to 8 weeks gestation. most pregnancies aren't even detected until at least 5-6 weeks. this leaves an average window of 2 1/2 weeks per woman in which her decision is made. not even ONE month, much less several.
and once again, you've failed to substantiate ANY of your claims with verifiable research. no one cares if you don't like abortion. that's your right. DON'T HAVE ONE.
girlevolving 6 months ago
@jackamatyus I have to disagree, you don't kill an innocent no matter what the reason. As awful as a rape is, punishing a child is not the answer.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi Don't forget the woman is also innocent, what makes the rights of the child more important than the rights of the woman?
Also, what if the standard of living for the innocent would be so poor, that it would be kinder not to raise them to consciousness? What is more cruel, letting an undeveloped fetus die, or letting a sentient, self aware child suffer and die from such things as starvation or thirst?
In a perfect world I would agree with you, but the world is far from perfect.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus Well, for one point, the women won't likely die, were as the child will.
There is no point of living like that. I grew up in a terrible lifestyle, I have worked with children from poor and abusive families, and I have worked with special needs people, 90% of them don't wish their parents had killed them. Don't act like you are trying to do something for the good of the child, because that is nothing but bullshit.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi Just because she might not die (which in some cases she may) does not mean affecting her life is acceptable. Also, don't start getting mad, I'm actually slightly on your side, I think abortion should be avoided whenever possible. But I'm not so ignorant as to say 'abortion is always wrong', because I believe in choice, and it's not always wrong.
You can't just make sweeping statements like that, you haven't met every person who could have been aborted who wasn't.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus I disagree. Put qualifiers on abortion means that killing an innocent is acceptable if it serves a cause you deem reasonable. It is the same thought process that allows wars like Iraq, it is the same thought that leads to invasion of privacy and internment camps, and ultimately, to things like what Hitler did. Either it is wrong to kill an innocent always, or never. And I can tell, personally, that there is no situation, no matter how awful, that I would rather be dead than alive.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi You can't compare allowing a rape victim to have an abortion to Hitler killing millions on self aware humans. If you're going to make such comparisons I'm not going to continue this discussion, because quite frankly you're being ridiculous.
And it's not even close to that thought process. War is entirely different, war has alternate goals and participants. Killing innocents isn't the same in every situation. You can't say a soldier killing a citizen is the same as aborting a fetus.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus I am not comparing them, I am saying the thought process you are using to justify it is that, it is for the betterment of society. That is the same thought every man now regarded as a villain had. Do you really think Hitler woke up one day and said "hey, lets kill some Jews" and all of Germany agreed? No, he believed it was for the betterment of the human race to kill those he deemed inferior or unworthy. The thought process, not the actions, are the same.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi Again, they are not to same thought processes. Hitler, like you said, wanted to exterminate and purify the German race. Abortion has nothing to do with that (unless you're looking only at that one end of the spectrum in which people abort 'undesirable' babies, which I entirely disagree with). Abortion is about portecting the woman, and preventing the suffering of a future person. They are nothing alike at all.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus I am not talking about abortion as a whole in this instance, I am talking about your argument that it would be better for the child to not be born. That it is "in the best interest of society and the child". Tell that to survivors. Race "science" is what lead to abortion in the first place, and it is incredibly harmful to minority populations. Opposing abortion is about protecting children, don't complain about someone taking the moral high ground and then doing it yourself.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi Don't pretend to quote or paraphrase things which I have most certainly not said, it's quite infuriating.
Also, the foundations of abortion have hardly anything to do with its modern application. Did you know chemotherapy, that treats and even sometimes cures millions of cancers each year, was first discovered by experimentation with mustard gas, designed to kill and torture people during war? Does that mean we should now make it illegal? No. You're clutching at straws with that one
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus Not the same, because Chemo does not know specifically effect minority populations to this day. People do not donate specifically to fund minority abortions only. There is still a racial side to it that people want to ignore. African-Americans are below the sustainable birth rate because of abortion, and with higher crime rates due to their poverty levels, they also have a high mortality rate. Comparing Chemo to abortion is still a terrible example, and you are grasping straws.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi And that is good, I admire and applaud you on your work. When I am past university and have stable living, I intend to do as much as I can for the human race, both through work and volunteering. That doesn't change this debate though. As I have stated previously, you have not met every person, you haven't met those who have already suffered and died, how can you know what they would have wanted? You have only met those who survive, and thusly are more postitive about life.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus I have not only met those that have survived, but my point is exactly what you said. How can I know what they would have wanted? What right does any of us have making that choice for another, no matter their geography or age.
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@griffithomi there are fates worse than death mate
gameguy20100 3 months ago
@jackamatyus I also believe in choice, but I recognize that we can not allow a lower level liberty to interfere with a higher level liberty. All liberties stem from higher level liberties, and the ultimate has to be life. Without it, no other liberty can exist, otherwise if they exercise that right, they could be killed and there would be no infringement on that right, but it would be restricted through fear.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi You can't just try and take the moral high ground and claim life is above all other options, when it isn't. True, life should be decided before all other options, but it is not always the 'best' option. What about the many people who would be brought into an unloving world just to suffer and die? What about the many women who would then go for unsafe alternatives to abortion when it is banned? The world is not perfect, you can't be so rigid and narrowminded in your opinions.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus I can understand that it may seem that way, but I am not trying to claim the moral high ground here. And as for women who would then break the law, that argument is akin to saying that if we don't legalize murder, people will continue to do it in an unsafe way. It is a terrible argument. If they feel the need to kill their child so badly that they would risk their own lives, then they will get the consequences of their actions. my opinions are narrowminded because they aren't yours.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi It's not akin to legalising murder, as murder is not already legal. This is about making something that is legal, illegal. It's akin to say, banning smoking everywhere. Instead of people not smoking, they'll just take up smoking in hiding, buying backstreet cigarettes made by shady people, which will probably end up killing more smokers than the company ones we have now. Likewise, you ban abortion, people will still get abortions, albeit, in unsafer conditions (backsteet abortions)
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus And that is the risk they take, although that is a terrible example, worse by far than mine. But even that makes my point clear. They are making the choice to get cigs. illegally, and for that reason, instead of fighting to change the legislation and not breaking the law, we would rather ignore the clearly self-inflicted harm and blame it on another. This was a bad example though, because most people are not addicted to abortions and smoking is far less likely to cause death.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi I shouldn't have used the smoking anology, like you should not have used the murder anology, it seems to have confused you. Let's avoid that from now on, anologies don't work.
Aborting a fetus has nothing to do with benefiting or affecting society, it's to avoid causing unnecessary pain and suffering, to both the child and the mother. Hardly anyone aborts a baby with the sole purpose of furthering the human race somehow, and when (rarely) that occurs, it is most certainly immoral.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@griffithomi And your opinions are narrowminded because you're making a blanket statement about an issue which has potentially millions of unique situations, not because your opinions are not mine. You are not the person or people involved. Therefore making a sweeping statement that something is as subjective as 'right or wrong' is extremely narrowminded.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus But my point is that I recognize that there are millions of situations, and I still believe that exterminating the life of an innocent is never acceptable. I am opposed to war for the same reason, opposed to the death penalty as well for the same reason. There are gray areas in many issues, but the right to life has to be a sticking point, or all other rights unravel. If you find that narrow minded, that shows an ignorance on your part, not mine.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi It is narrowminded, yes. If you ever say something is always right or wrong, regardless of unique circumstances, you are being narrowminded. You're ignoring all alternatives before even knowing about the situation to its full extent, that is almost the definition of narrowmindedness.
I disagree, I think that abortion should never be entirely eliminated as an option. I think abortion should be avoided whenever possible, but never be banned and villainised by fundamentalists.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@griffithomi Also, why should life be the 'sticking point'? What about suffering, and pain? Blindly ignoring the suffering of others because you believe they need to be alive is extremely immoral in my eyes.
It's similar with issues such as euthanasia, sucide, and such things as condom use to prevent AIDS. There are always fundamentalists who zealously preach how life is sacred and should not be prevented, irregardless of circumstances or suffering of the actual people involved.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus I don't blindly ignore suffering. I do everything I can to ease suffering and pain. I volunteer every free minute I have to helping in some of the worst places in the world, I spend summers in other countries to help with the AIDS epidemic. No one in this country suffers as they do, and they would not ever want to die. People in the worst situations still fight to live because life in pain is to them still better than death. I am not a fundamentalist.
griffithomi 5 months ago
@griffithomi I'm also not acting like I'm doing something good for the child, my argument is geared towards protecting the woman. But again, you have not met every child. What about the people you have not met, the ones who starve to death, or are beaten to death before they can get help? You don't consider them because you haven't met them.
jackamatyus 5 months ago
@jackamatyus Doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. Have some hot cocoa.
crazy4sian 3 months ago
@jackamatyus wrong its aways bad and evil... is what i would say if i didnt completly agree with you
gameguy20100 3 months ago
This scene is funny, but there seems to be quite a bit of debate around here, damn. Personally, I don't the idea of abortion because it is just inherently an ugly subject, but at the same time who the hell am I to say what someone does or doesn't do with their own body. So, in that sense, I'd say that it at least has to be legal as an option. Its ugly, yes, but I think its worse to legislate what someone can or cannot do to themselves in that scenario.
fullclip16117 11 months ago
let though who has not sinned cast the first stone bitches---jesus F**king christ
hotjuicyburgerguy 11 months ago
I love my God daughter! Its great that my cousin didnt murder her :D
detroithockey57 1 year ago
Abortion is an escape. Abortion is an excuse for a girl who made a stupid decision and didnt take proper measures to make sure they didnt get prego in the first place. I think that a baby is a proper lesson for not being careful. If you decide to have sex then realize the consequences before hand and dont use abortion to clear up your mistake. Although I am a christian there is my non-religious answer to that problem. Happy?
bigolgreen 1 year ago
@bigolgreen No, because then the baby will grow up in a world of hate and inadequate care. The baby should instead be put into adoption where people who actually want a child can take care of them.
WingAngelProductions 1 year ago
Doesn't that mean the child still has to be born. Sometimes a child can change a parent, not all of them but sometimes. Even if the child was born into a bad home it is still a life, and every life deserves a chance why should the child who is not even born die because the parent is no good. Kids rise up out of bad situations all the time, in the gheto to brilliant minds, why should we rob the world of that chance because a child might have to go through some tribulations. Thats all life is.
bigolgreen 1 year ago
@bigolgreen I'm not saying they should be aborted, I'm saying they should be given to orphanages. There are a lot of people who want children, but for medical reasons, cannot have their own.
WingAngelProductions 1 year ago
Yeah, thats always another option.
bigolgreen 1 year ago
man... Jesus is a dick
DerOrk 1 year ago
I think it was a nice touch for them to have Jesus kinda break his pose
mizukage7668 1 year ago
It still has no arms or brain so abortion is the only option
HowardSternn 1 year ago
It's not a pizza until it comes out of the oven.
caiomarinho1 1 year ago 3
@caiomarinho1 You're right. It's a frozen/uncooked pizza. =P
Sumikara 1 year ago
@Sumikara Touché.
caiomarinho1 1 year ago
Your action figure would beg to differ? :)
jumpinjax2 1 year ago
How come so many pro-life comments flagged as spam... And yeah, I disagree with abortion mainly because of the option to give the child up to adoption. Not an ideal solution I know but still better than some alternatives.
Regless 1 year ago 3
@Regless Well, the good news is that it's not your business to tell women what to do with their own bodies. So don't you worry yourself over what you think the options are or what the ideal solutions for them would be, because it's none of your business.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago 2
@BigMikeMcBastard Yea Much like rape, child abuse, infantacide, theft, assault are none of my buisness. If you think somone is being wronged than you try and stop. A wrong is still a wrong even if done privately.
leachyau 1 year ago
@leachyau Except abortion is a victimless crime, so it's not at all comparable. An embryo or earlier term fetus isn't any more a person than an ovum or a spermatazoa is if you actually look at it objectively.
And besides, if abortions aren't done in sanitary clinics and hospitals they'll be done in bathrooms and "back alleys". What do you think the leading cause of death was amongst women of reproductive age prior to the legalization of abortion? Making abortion illegal doesn't help at all.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Actually it does help, if the abortion is extremly painful and lethal do the woman we will have one less retard to be worried about.And by the way, you're actually a fetus, and im actually a fetus,a fetus is something that will become a human like you and me,if it is aborted that human being will practicly be deleted from time, aka murder.Also since when did women get power over life and death?If they do have it, it will only be fair if i get my gun and make some "choices" too!
drdttdtrestds 11 months ago
@drdttdtrestds Haha, I love the commitment to life you have. Yeah, you get that gun and go murder some women, tough guy.
BigMikeMcBastard 11 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard <implying you just got pwned and can't say some more INTEHLECSHUAL bullshit so you do some fail insults.L2internet if the word faggot isn't mentioned at least once in the insult you're doing it wrong.
Good day sir.
drdttdtrestds 11 months ago
@drdttdtrestds - Your morals and ethics are just so darn cute. :D Excuse me while I sneeze my own on you there buckaroo! ACHOO - I wouldn't be surprised if you were for negative eugenics. Something that Hitler did and that we pretty much did as well, only to stop so we would be seen as morally right. :D Don't you just love your world? People just love to say how much people don't have a choice, but here they are making the it a choice that people follow their beliefs. Everything's absolute! <3
MLE1201 11 months ago
@MLE1201 So let me get this straight here
1. Murdering a child is fine, but murdering anything else is wrong?
2.Poorly disguised sluts trying to get rid of children by giving murder a heroic name "PRO CHOICE!11" and writting shit loads of propaganda about it.
3. Negative eugenics, is that a chinese food?
4. Godwin's law in action lolololololololololol
5. Last sentence made time paradox.
6.Also, Hitler also made a choice to genocide jews,we didn't respect him but we wanna genocide babies instead?
drdttdtrestds 11 months ago
@drdttdtrestds
1. So murdering a child is wrong but sending people to war is okay?
2. Pro choice is about giving the woman a safe and legal choice. I myself am a man who is pro choice but personally wouldn't abort a child. All the religious propaganda by your side doesn't count?
3. Don't criticize something you understand, just makes you sound more ignorant.
4. No comment.
5. No comment.
6. We don't want to kill every fetus in sight, reason why its called a choice.
7. Go away troll, go away.
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago 14
@MMaeidlilniAW Im just asking why wimminz get the power over life death and rebirth and i don't :/
drdttdtrestds 11 months ago
@drdttdtrestds If its your child and you want to keep it then you should be allowed full custody of the child and raise it all by yourself. But if you want to be a stupid Anon and just discriminate against women and take way their rights then go fuck yourself.
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago
@MMaeidlilniAW So wait you're saying wimminz really do have power over life death and rebirth and also taking it would be unfair?Oh im sorry my self pronounced supreme god of justice, but life doesn't work like that, women have a fucking vagina, to make fucking disgusting little retards that will grow up and kill each other and blow shit up, if they want to change that, plastic surgery.Anon has owned you, have a nice day
drdttdtrestds 11 months ago
@drdttdtrestds A women has a right to her body. The fetus doesn't breath in air or consume food on its on. Its not alive. And I don't see why an Anon is so pro life if you tell any suicidal pussy to kill themselves the second you see them. A women isn't a vagina for you to use. I am sorry if your crazy bible has told you otherwise, but a women is a fully functional human being who can think for herself. The child is her responsibility, so she can choose to get rid of it or not. Anon lost.
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago
@MMaeidlilniAW
i agree....if the woman is a spic or nigger, subsidize planned parenthood heavily in your neighborhoods
ObamaIsAMarxistTowel 11 months ago
@ObamaIsAMarxistTowel My god you reps are stalkers. Crazy fuckin assholes. We talk on TYT Only fucker. Now leave me the fuck alone you crazy ass creep. Your insane.
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago
@ObamaIsAMarxistTowel People like you make me think 90% your race is ignorant and racist. I think you should have your junk cut off so you can never have stupid ignorant children. We need people like dead. And no not white people, ignorant retarded people.
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago
@MMaeidlilniAW
1) so, an admission you are not white, good to know
2) if we are so ignorant , NIGGER!! , how did we come up with the industrial revolution atomic energy and the computer??
if we are so ignorant , NIGGER, what does that make a parasite like you??
3) GENOCIDE nigger??
OK, i will mention to my people that lots of your people want a fight to the death
ObamaIsAMarxistTowel 11 months ago
@ObamaIsAMarxistTowel Stop stalking me or we won't have this nice arguments anymore. Damn creepy motherfucker. Stalking a 16 year old boy. What does that make you?
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago
@MMaeidlilniAW
BOO HOO!!!
LOSE AND LEAVE!!
here comes ICE!!
ObamaIsAMarxistTowel 11 months ago
@ObamaIsAMarxistTowel Fine at least I don't see your ignorant ass in my inbox anymore. You say lose but I get my sanity rather than talking to an ignorant fuckhead who is thickheaded
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago
@MMaeidlilniAW
BOO HOO!!!
LOSE AND LEAVE!!
here comes ICE!!
ObamaIsAMarxistTowel 11 months ago
@MMaeidlilniAW Yeah, Anon believes that baby murder is fun, but women killing babies on the other side isn't.Also i'd like you to know the Necronomicon has no opinion over feminazism.Im not giving women the power over life and death because of the fact that if a woman has the choice to not give birth, she won't.And the human race will slowly go extinct due to planet parenthood, also if one retarded woman doesn't give one retarded child life, one retard can't be on the internet to be trolled.lulz
drdttdtrestds 11 months ago
@drdttdtrestds Some woman want to be parents, especially once they hit their 30's, so your logic is a fail. We have too many people on this planet on the moment to the point that we are overusing our resources. And don't be a stupid rep and believing whatever Fox News tells you, because Planned Parenthood actually called the FBI on that stupid sting operation of yours before they knew anything of it. You people fail so much that you have to make us look back so you can look anywhere near okay.
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago
@drdttdtrestds Women have the right to her body. If she wanted an abortion so badly, she can do it herself or go to another country and get it done. Point of being pro-choice is that she can have a legal and SAFE option. Because no matter what, you prolifers won't stop abortion, just make it a little harder to get them, just like you guys do with drugs. All your policies fail. Pro choice with everything, abortion, prostitution and drugs. And tax the fuck out of the last two. Solved the deficit.
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago
@MMaeidlilniAW Yeah, women have the right to their body, not the baby's body.Point of being pro-choice is a bunch of other sluts who feel guilt after murdering kids so they need to constantly argue that a fetus is totally not a child, but it will be in 9 months, before that its an alien to convince themselves they did the right thing.And you know il feel pretty bad when i hear someone can have a safe and legal abortion, i mean why safe?Where's the fun in that?
drdttdtrestds 11 months ago
@drdttdtrestds Our country is suppose to be about being free. You idiots call for smaller gov. and then want to control what a person does in their average day. Luckily you Anons are too crazy and fails at life that you will have no real control over this matter. Also a fetus is not a child. Its part of the woman's body until you cut that cord. I am not a woman. Nor would I make my girlfriend go through an abortion if she got pregnant. But I still believe it isn't a child until its first breath.
MMaeidlilniAW 11 months ago
@MMaeidlilniAW Here's what i got
1. Anonymous can't be for a smaller goverment, anonymous is COMPLETE freedom and democracy (AKA complete chaos)
2. Butthurt and mad and once again a shit load of fetus isn't a child claimings
drdttdtrestds 11 months ago
@drdttdtrestds the fedus's body is inside the woman's body, thus making it her choice. The woman should have every right to choose wether or not she wants that fedus inside of her or not, as long as it can't survive otherwise. That is why abortion is legal up to the point where the baby could actually survive outside its mother's belly. But this is the wrong forum for this debate anyway; this is a clip from a comedy.
darthen856 10 months ago 2
@MMaeidlilniAW I have no moral qualms with abortion but I do think that it should be illegal. If you are interested in hearing the perspectives of a rational, secular prolife person please check out my channel. You might find it refreshingly rational.
WarThemedRevolution 9 months ago
@WarThemedRevolution the issure with making abortion illegal is people then go and have VERY unsafe 'backstreet' abortions.
jackamatyus 7 months ago
@jackamatyus Well, that's actually a myth originating with a study conducted by a guy named Dr. Frederick Taussig in 1936. However, the study has since become out dated,In 1961 Mary Calderon (then president of Planned Parenthood) estimated that 90 per cent of all illegal abortions were performed by trained professions in cleanly environments. Indeed, legalizing abortion did nothing to decrease abortion related deaths in women. I'll PM you a video with citations and more info.
WarThemedRevolution 7 months ago
@MMaeidlilniAW 3. Don't criticize something you understand, just makes you sound more ignorant.
Pr0 writing there :D
Zalwio 5 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Actually the entire debate centers around whether it's just their bodies or not. Otherwise it wouldn't even be an issue... But you're right. It's none of my business and frankly, I wouldn't know what to do if it was. I shouldn't be allowed to pick their dresses when they take me shopping either. Oh man last time I tried that I wish someone aborted me... oh wait, no I didn't.
Regless 7 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Actually this entire debate is occuring because it's not just there bodies. If it was I wouldn't care. Few would. But you do have a point. None of my business. And thank heavens because I wouldn't know what to do if it was. I shouldn't be allowed to pick women's dresses either when they take me shopping. Some things should just be left up to women.
Regless 7 months ago
The answer is that its undeniable that the Jesus of The Bible stands out because its clear that He is unlike any other so-called god. in presenting this talking statue as a mockery of Jesus they unnkowingly reveal their subliminal thoughts.
cr87129 1 year ago
@cr87129 , subliminal thoughts lol. Maybe you should stop to consider the fact that x-tianity is overwhelmingly the majority in U.S. and that's why it's used as a reference when taking on religion.
thegalwegian 1 year ago
its funny how people who hate God/Jesus, like the producer's of scrubs, attempt to make Jesus out to be "one of many gods" yet God-haters always focus their attack on Jesus .
cr87129 1 year ago
@cr87129 have you ever stopped to think thats because they are probably all Jewish. Have you seen the skit where Larry David urinates on a picture of Jesus? Can you imagine a show where someone urinated on the book of Kabbalah?
tryandlisten 1 year ago
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@tryandlisten , "Can you imagine a show where someone urinated on the book of Kabbalah? "
Well I certainly can.
thegalwegian 1 year ago
@cr87129 Ehm, I don't hate God - I don't hate Santa or the Easter Bunny either. It's a bit more complicated though: /watch?v=sNDZb0KtJDk
oldenough13 1 year ago
0:57.. Sounds like Jerry Springfield :P
fyrstikknerd 1 year ago
if you could somehow know that the baby would be the spawn of satan that would destroy the world. Would abortion be ok then?
itachi1839 1 year ago
@itachi1839 Ahh, I love fallacious arguments....
RockSprites 1 year ago
jesus is played by ted mcginley (dr cox)
ChuckNorrisIsNothing 1 year ago
@ChuckNorrisIsNothing fail its john c mcginlay that plays dr cox
blackwhale6 1 year ago
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