i think it's safe to say that elderly women with names like "ethel" and "maude" have a better understanding of the way the internet works than the people that made this movie.
This the movie that Casey Anthony rented the day that she killed her daughter and didn't tell anybody that her daughter was gone.She put the baby's body in the trunk of her car.I am wondering if she got the idea from the movie.I noticed that the body in the movie was wrapped up in plastic,and Caylee's body,that was in the back of the trunk,her body was in 3 trash bags.
guys u know the last puzzel on the website... the lil game u get.. the password thing with usename.. he says to look at the bottom of the screen, I see nothing...
all the site says is. "visiting this site could cause harm to innocent people, are you sure you want to enter? --% of you ignored the warning. where are your morals?"
I have been to the site. It is a pic of that skull they show on the trailer, and a link to the FBI cyber crime division...site. Nothing special, why would u be scared to go to the site?
I just saw this movie last night for the first time. This movie is amazing, but the ending is so stupid. If they had a better ending this movie would be unbelievable!
its a movie you idiots, of course its not resal. they made the site to show you what itWAS like. this is a true story, but they jus made it to scare ya. ;]
very good movie disgusting at parts but it's good none the less i really like investigation movies so this movie was awsome a little like saw but.. it's kewl - Kyle
The movie was rediculous. There is no way a house would have the electrical service to supply 127 lamps hot enouph to burn someone. He would have blown a fuse. The utility company would know where the house was.Also, the punk would not have been able to get his victims in those positions after he tased them.
wow... I guess you are able to spot plot holes in movies, huh? That's simply amazing. You gotta tell me your secret. Is it an inherited skill or did you get to practice much as a child? I bet you hardly even bother to watch films these days cause they have gotten so predictable. "bites lips in envy* I am so envious of you, you must be so smart and creative! You are probably an accomplished script-writer yourself. I'm so glad these kinda plot holes don't take the fun out of a film for me :P
when you click yes, it shows how many procent of vissitors say yes, i guess when you click no it might do the same, well, since i had no moral i clicked yes
lol it basically tells you the percentage of how many people said yes. for example when i went on it, it said 11% including you said yes or something like that. dont worry curiosity makes us human.
the trailer is intense but the movie gets boring, the antagonist is horrible, he should get an award for worst villains of the year. Further more a 20 year old with a PC being able to out hack the FBI is hardly believable. But this movie made a very good point, there are lots of sick fucks out there.
that movie, makes a good point, im sure there are millions of psycho losers out there that have nothing better to do than watch someone die slowly. I hope those supreme shits get what they deserve - and then some
Cool. Another PROPAGANDA/SCARRORIST movie made by the US government with my tax dollars.
This one is to add fear/terror to us about many things on many levels @ once.
Getting the "public" prepared to accept the "MASS ARRESTS" that will happen eventually and "Remain in your homes," will be heard ringing through megaphones when the boys return from thousands of miles away...they will need jobs, right? There are certainly none here!
And nice ON-STAR commercial! Rubbing our noses in it as well!
The increasing/decreasing of it is not the real issue...of course it will happen..and this will start the final battle that the NWO's Commander will launch :
Ha, they missed the part of the clip at the end when it says "we are the murder weapon." Yeah, well given how de-senitized the world is and how much it loves its bloody gore as entertainment I can see this happening in a real world senario. Especially if you have to "pay money" to see it.
Yup. If they arrested 100,000 people today and said they all paid to watch some little baby get tortured (being extremely mean here, but for effect...it could as easily be a 30 yr old man...their lives are equal, right? If it was a little youngerfetussome lives are non-equal to others!)
...then say that they shut the sight down (no evidence)!
...watch for my new movie, coming to my garage theater - INTERNET WAR I!!!
There is a competing version of WAR OF THE WORLDS not starring TOM CRUISE and authentically told and placed in the original British late 1800's setting as in the book. Check out clips of the authentic version of the original alien invasion story, THE WAR OF THE WORLDS by going to pendragonpics or pendragonpictures on youtube.
DONT GO TO THE SITE YOU WILL KILL PEOPLE AND U WILL GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! plz dont kill stop the kill end the war ! sorry i was going a little hippie there!
And an IP address is like an electronic signature that is relative to the hardware employed by the internet service provider or hardware used by the domain owner.
Technically, the only one that could take the site down is the 'ISP' (Internet Service Provider) providing the killer even used one.
I saw this movie! It was fucking amazing! It's kinda like the saw movies, The movie kinda makes you really scared of the internet for some people though! I loved this movie. But the ending was fucking gay! I screamed it at the end! And people clapped ROTFL!
This film looks pretty sick but interestin and uxnosidda u r right about observation it's called morbid curiosity when u see stuff like car crashes u don't want 2 look but you're curious so do look
I mean the website!!!!!!!!!!! gosh. people dnt have to thumbs down the question! in the wrods of my spanish teacher" There are no stupid questions." gosh
I know its a movie. i was just wondering if there was like a movie website. i typed in the website and its a fake site. gosh. soo lets stop fighting. its getting old.
What's on the website?
I am too scared to visit it :D
iloveyou18b 5 months ago
i think it's safe to say that elderly women with names like "ethel" and "maude" have a better understanding of the way the internet works than the people that made this movie.
wakeeler10 7 months ago
This the movie that Casey Anthony rented the day that she killed her daughter and didn't tell anybody that her daughter was gone.She put the baby's body in the trunk of her car.I am wondering if she got the idea from the movie.I noticed that the body in the movie was wrapped up in plastic,and Caylee's body,that was in the back of the trunk,her body was in 3 trash bags.
MsDooby69 8 months ago
Untraceable is mean and nasty,but packs a punch,I also like fear.com which uses a similar theme and is more creepy.
kennethbromley 10 months ago
the f!lm you can see it online for free c @ MOOV ZON,COM just google for the link above
irishmcknightqz 1 year ago
whats on the website?
beet111 2 years ago
sounds like feardotcom except with more fake hollywood technobabble and less ghosts
asfaqqq 2 years ago
I loved this movie
sara69wax 2 years ago
whats the user name and password
EMBABE34 2 years ago
Lmao,I BEAT THE GAME BEFORE IT EVEN STARTED!
LEFT CLICK AND PRESS FORWARD!!!!!
I BEAT ALL FLASH GAMES LIKE THAT!
0Doomer0 2 years ago
LMAO ur gay -_-
u do know it dosent show ur record u dumb fuck.
MrUntraceable 2 years ago
I can just imagine if this website was real... EVERYBODY would visit it in a flash!
Strawberrypocky911 2 years ago
guys u know the last puzzel on the website... the lil game u get.. the password thing with usename.. he says to look at the bottom of the screen, I see nothing...
dullahrsm 2 years ago
the movie is awesome
and the site is just a fucking fakeness, its a little game. lol, i played it, found it kinda cool
darknessgodzamorak 2 years ago
i want to find a site like that :P
awsome movie,do remember when bloggers sayd (that bitch broke the camera Kill her LOL)
MiniMe6776 2 years ago
I thought this movie was over the instant they showed who the killer was instead of keeping his identifty secret till the end.
Seriously, the part where she gets back in the car after it stalls... come on.
thehmphone 2 years ago
True then I was kinda hoping that the killer was one of the FBI guys
sara69wax 2 years ago
the site is fine.
YourSmilenbb 2 years ago
all the site says is. "visiting this site could cause harm to innocent people, are you sure you want to enter? --% of you ignored the warning. where are your morals?"
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ericestrada256 3 years ago
I have been to the site. It is a pic of that skull they show on the trailer, and a link to the FBI cyber crime division...site. Nothing special, why would u be scared to go to the site?
laallaal75 3 years ago
thanks
NewtonKari 3 years ago
I'm too chicken to got o the website. But I wanna see this movie soooo freakin' bad.
MasterArbiterGrunt 3 years ago
una pelicula muy interesante
adrianaportales 3 years ago
in.
english.
CJandtheZitt 3 years ago 2
that website really exits ..
i just checked out ..
man there are really scary videos in that.
bhabooshka 3 years ago
I don't think this movies was scary enough. It was a bit scary, but not much.
cjxxi21 3 years ago
has any one been to the website what happens i is to scared after watching
XlMaRa7honlX 3 years ago
ANY GUYS UP?
anyone want to chat WW
IsaMeg93 3 years ago
Mutherfucker
The Username Too This Game Is Owen
And The Password Is 012508 BITCHES
My Name Is Aaliyah
naesert07 3 years ago
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some1 should msg me if they wnat 2 cybr. va
Estate98 3 years ago
sikk movieeeeeeeeeee..
spraydini 3 years ago
I'm so fucking stupid that I watched this fucking movie. This movie is a total outrage and override to humanity.
"A genius died tonight." "How can I download this video?" Yeah, the movie is really a propulsion to the enhancement of morality. Fuck it
white000bear 3 years ago
boycott this film, it is anti net neutrality propaganda
4rcheType 3 years ago
so i have to do my homework
Lolstar7187 3 years ago
A useless movie, and hopefully some freak will not try to copy this terrible idea to "get back at the world"
mechanicalguy 3 years ago
your just scared because this is what might happen itf, your not the only one.
rainxxxx 3 years ago
I just saw this movie last night for the first time. This movie is amazing, but the ending is so stupid. If they had a better ending this movie would be unbelievable!
niceguy33 3 years ago 4
yeah the ending was terrible
nemothefishey 3 years ago
i agree, i thought the ending was a bit "sudden", nevertheless a scary movie.
rainxxxx 3 years ago
Although the ending is stupid, this movie is incredibly awesome. Diane Lane's performance is incredible. Click 'thumbs up' if you agree.
universalxoxo 3 years ago 14
wow this is a awesome movie i wanna watch it
johnisnotatucker 3 years ago 6
lol i entered the site "Where r u morals" LOL
Jorgeelmejor17 3 years ago 3
can anyone tell me the actors name who plays the killer in this movie? i cant find it anywhere... thanks!
thepod89 3 years ago
yea i'm gonna agree with a previous poster. the preview DID give us a little too much info, and kinda gave some things away. it's a great movie tho
kaylee24rm 3 years ago
its a movie you idiots, of course its not resal. they made the site to show you what itWAS like. this is a true story, but they jus made it to scare ya. ;]
soph556 3 years ago 5
yeah its real
xdacyballerinax 3 years ago
im tempted to enter the site what happens if u click enter on the site is it real?
mpballa7 3 years ago
WHY SHOULDNT YOU VISIT IT
omar2m11 3 years ago
WATCH THIS "After Dark Prologue" SCARY!!!
AMProductionss 3 years ago
i saw this moive..it was great!!!
iesha112 3 years ago
i visited that website :P
Sakurashy101 3 years ago
This came out like a year ago, it was last january lmfao.
whyhellokelsey 3 years ago
I think the preview showed too much.
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AMProductionss 3 years ago
So this is an old movie?
universalxoxo 3 years ago
Wait, it comes out this January. How have some of you guys already seen it?
universalxoxo 3 years ago
Huh? It's been out. I have the DVD, NOT PIRATED!
bookhound63 3 years ago
what is the syt lyk
willzyb12343 3 years ago
i LOVED the movie
eggs111 3 years ago
um that movie was good except for the '' He hacked into my car's computer?!'' do cars even have computers?
cottoncandyluv2 3 years ago
duh, like those navigators n stuff tht tell u wher to go n wat speed to go n stuff, auto drive systems.....stuff like tht
jord627 3 years ago
lmao u don't even know what your talking about
rushy412 3 years ago
user name: owen
password: 012508
phobe103 3 years ago
there is such a website but is not real :x
the movie is great :D
gurlgurlx 3 years ago
very good movie disgusting at parts but it's good none the less i really like investigation movies so this movie was awsome a little like saw but.. it's kewl - Kyle
averx10 3 years ago
liked it. looved the ending. I recommend it.
matenzo 3 years ago
i wonder if this is an actual website. that movie was excellent, btw.
alynatorkarinum3 3 years ago
i loved the movie but i'm mad its a real website
booboo939 3 years ago
what was the song that owen reilly (the killer) played on his website? does anybody know?
Brandonly23 3 years ago
The movie was rediculous. There is no way a house would have the electrical service to supply 127 lamps hot enouph to burn someone. He would have blown a fuse. The utility company would know where the house was.Also, the punk would not have been able to get his victims in those positions after he tased them.
RockysGems 3 years ago
wow... I guess you are able to spot plot holes in movies, huh? That's simply amazing. You gotta tell me your secret. Is it an inherited skill or did you get to practice much as a child? I bet you hardly even bother to watch films these days cause they have gotten so predictable. "bites lips in envy* I am so envious of you, you must be so smart and creative! You are probably an accomplished script-writer yourself. I'm so glad these kinda plot holes don't take the fun out of a film for me :P
matenzo 3 years ago
That movie was discusting.
Anyone who thinks he's cool can go to hell.
PhillipoNguyen 3 years ago
this was a good movie
t0enail1 3 years ago
who ends up being the killer? im guessing the man with glasses at the beginning.
reverselogic23 3 years ago
are you stupid?
overproof63 3 years ago
uhhhh no
reverselogic23 3 years ago
ques qui arrive si on clik enter sur le site
sebastien024 3 years ago
omagad she got hacked using windows vista ;o
sad :P
kkostas86 3 years ago
when you click yes, it shows how many procent of vissitors say yes, i guess when you click no it might do the same, well, since i had no moral i clicked yes
dragonrebelETLD 3 years ago
lol it basically tells you the percentage of how many people said yes. for example when i went on it, it said 11% including you said yes or something like that. dont worry curiosity makes us human.
J69WC 3 years ago
if u like this type "After Dark 2008 teaser trailer" for the upcoming horror film After Dark.. its scary shit
fghfdjrefhsdh 3 years ago
is the website real xD??
aznchopsticks08 3 years ago
yea don't go on it or he will kill you :0
jdogkill 3 years ago
omg thats sick and wrong
Llamagirl89 3 years ago
yes,there is such a website.
gurlgurlx 3 years ago
user name: owen
password: 012508
phobe103 3 years ago
i figured out the password but how did you get the name?
perryman333 3 years ago
That site is Creepy if I click OK Will anything really happen???
horoko66 3 years ago
nope..
123brittney123 3 years ago
that movie looks mad. havnt seen it yet. ill take my gf and she will get scared and i will get cuddles and boobie touches lol
fourdoublefiveone 3 years ago
Bit Torrent gone wrong !
lordpimpd 3 years ago
the trailer is intense but the movie gets boring, the antagonist is horrible, he should get an award for worst villains of the year. Further more a 20 year old with a PC being able to out hack the FBI is hardly believable. But this movie made a very good point, there are lots of sick fucks out there.
Ins0mniaProductions 3 years ago
its so gay, the fbi can find anyone in minutes
Pan4osKipros 3 years ago
THE BEST MOVIE!
Legendkiller772 3 years ago 2
I liked this movie, its like a massive law and order svu episode.
mtho493 3 years ago
lol the site is funny =]
95baybeechik2k7 3 years ago
I've Visited The Web It Works...
yusfah 3 years ago
i've seen the movie, its a bit like saw, but i think this story is better!
17CristianoRonaldo07 3 years ago
The trailer made this film look gripping and fantastic. But it ended up being rather disappointing.
1Ali380 3 years ago
this movie is 5 stars, i love it
wedisegen 3 years ago
damn i hope your not one of those sick losers....
knockerdoctor 3 years ago 2
that movie, makes a good point, im sure there are millions of psycho losers out there that have nothing better to do than watch someone die slowly. I hope those supreme shits get what they deserve - and then some
Ninearm 3 years ago
Cool. Another PROPAGANDA/SCARRORIST movie made by the US government with my tax dollars.
This one is to add fear/terror to us about many things on many levels @ once.
Getting the "public" prepared to accept the "MASS ARRESTS" that will happen eventually and "Remain in your homes," will be heard ringing through megaphones when the boys return from thousands of miles away...they will need jobs, right? There are certainly none here!
And nice ON-STAR commercial! Rubbing our noses in it as well!
THESTRINGPULLER 3 years ago
This has got to be the best internet thriller movie ever created!
999Ammar 3 years ago
w w w .videopiggs.webs. c o m /movie/untraceable.html
DVD Rip....(Need veoh Tv Player)
1flyin 3 years ago
i´ve got to say, its a very good movie
blingblinggangbang 3 years ago
i wonder how much this encourages or hopefully discourages users to view this kind of thing. ie the teen beating...
tamiejay 3 years ago
The increasing/decreasing of it is not the real issue...of course it will happen..and this will start the final battle that the NWO's Commander will launch :
THE INTERNET TERRORIST/SATANIC/EVIL GLOBAL WAR
THESTRINGPULLER 3 years ago
where watching any part of that trailer? lmao
BashProductions123 3 years ago
man the site a bunch of bullshit it's just a bunch of games and stuff so it's not real or scary
akaBrands 3 years ago
Ha, they missed the part of the clip at the end when it says "we are the murder weapon." Yeah, well given how de-senitized the world is and how much it loves its bloody gore as entertainment I can see this happening in a real world senario. Especially if you have to "pay money" to see it.
tails22x 3 years ago
Yup. If they arrested 100,000 people today and said they all paid to watch some little baby get tortured (being extremely mean here, but for effect...it could as easily be a 30 yr old man...their lives are equal, right? If it was a little youngerfetussome lives are non-equal to others!)
...then say that they shut the sight down (no evidence)!
...watch for my new movie, coming to my garage theater - INTERNET WAR I!!!
THESTRINGPULLER 3 years ago
I saw this movie last night and I LOVE it. it's such a good movie and diane lane is soo good in it.
Thanks for the video.
Hafsa90Lynn 3 years ago
totally agree, best/only ive seen at the theatres so far this year! especially late at night!
Awesome acting
mrandrew89 3 years ago
how old must you be to see this movie?
ddmmjjjj 3 years ago
it's 18
xPinKxKittiEx 3 years ago 2
i see it and i am 16 ... lol
ardillosa 3 years ago
ur bit like me then i bought a 15 when i was 13!
xPinKxKittiEx 3 years ago
where is the dutch subtitels!?
cswer1 3 years ago
fail!
mrandrew89 3 years ago
yo there is a real site called killwithme[dot] com
it's ran by the goverment
tomclode101 3 years ago
i know i went to the site.. but i was do scared so that i didn't entered hahahahha
mo0rrisz 3 years ago
There is a competing version of WAR OF THE WORLDS not starring TOM CRUISE and authentically told and placed in the original British late 1800's setting as in the book. Check out clips of the authentic version of the original alien invasion story, THE WAR OF THE WORLDS by going to pendragonpics or pendragonpictures on youtube.
pendragonpics 3 years ago
seems awesome
scythe95 3 years ago 3
Seen it
therichyD 3 years ago
do you think this movie may spawn copycats?? i know that pretty much all websites are traceable, but what if.....
monthesheep 3 years ago
DONT GO TO THE SITE YOU WILL KILL PEOPLE AND U WILL GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! plz dont kill stop the kill end the war ! sorry i was going a little hippie there!
JuicyGoddess211 3 years ago
watch this movie for free at tvscreenonline. com
tvscreenonline 3 years ago 2
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i hope there is a site just like this
wud be on it all the time
wardy180 3 years ago
wow ur weird
SWEETvideos77 3 years ago 5
its nt january its february 29th IN BRITAIN this may be an american vid I AM NOT SURE if im wrong bite me but i told you im just guessing
tomlang96 3 years ago
Its an 18
estillo87 3 years ago
I am soooo gonna watch this ^^ 29th of feb ftw
darkrider53 3 years ago
One Problem With This Movie, It That To Shut Down A Site All You Do Is Delete The Ip!
home1002 3 years ago
@ home1002
you cant delete IPs.
darkrider53 3 years ago
People who own the internet can, they can delete the address or something like that? But yeh it looks like a good film!
home1002 3 years ago
No one owns the internet any more home ;)
And an IP address is like an electronic signature that is relative to the hardware employed by the internet service provider or hardware used by the domain owner.
Technically, the only one that could take the site down is the 'ISP' (Internet Service Provider) providing the killer even used one.
Trust me ;) im untraceable too lol
darkrider53 3 years ago
lmao been on naught website haveyou XD
smally280 3 years ago
lol :P
naah i just like bein untraceable ;P
darkrider53 3 years ago
I saw this movie! It was fucking amazing! It's kinda like the saw movies, The movie kinda makes you really scared of the internet for some people though! I loved this movie. But the ending was fucking gay! I screamed it at the end! And people clapped ROTFL!
chelseajoy55155 4 years ago 2
I am in three scenes and havent seen it yet
whitelilly567 3 years ago
what does that mean lol. :P
chelseajoy55155 3 years ago
wat age rating is it?
darkrider53 3 years ago
Its an 18
estillo87 3 years ago
learned ROTFL! from da film alie
bruteforcehacking 3 years ago
This film looks pretty sick but interestin and uxnosidda u r right about observation it's called morbid curiosity when u see stuff like car crashes u don't want 2 look but you're curious so do look
Mangamedal 4 years ago
Is this real?
cookycool1 4 years ago
its a movie
admir2323 4 years ago
NO WAY! its not real its fiction.
ninjanamedshade 4 years ago 2
I mean the website!!!!!!!!!!! gosh. people dnt have to thumbs down the question! in the wrods of my spanish teacher" There are no stupid questions." gosh
cookycool1 4 years ago 2
In the words of my Engligsh teacher: there are many stupid questions.
kriz127 3 years ago 3
Your Engligsh teacher obviously isn't doing their job properly
FilmoreStMudwidth 3 years ago 3
..What part of its a movie dont you understand?
home1002 3 years ago
I know its a movie. i was just wondering if there was like a movie website. i typed in the website and its a fake site. gosh. soo lets stop fighting. its getting old.
cookycool1 3 years ago
this movie has the song vicarious by tool written all over it.
negativecreep654 4 years ago
good call
z3r044 4 years ago
scary thing is ... the killer has a realy good message in the movie..
persianboy153 4 years ago
a genius died today
Codenbaugh 4 years ago
lol, 1:20 is Burnside. this movie looks pretty interesting
KibaBagel247 4 years ago
interesting observation. it's kinda like how in a car crash we always want to see what's happening... even though it might be wrong
uxnosidda 4 years ago
this looks kick ass
OitsjustMalik 4 years ago
i really want to see this!!!!!! i showed it to my friend, and she said NOPE! as soon as it was over!!! :)
Dudette528 4 years ago
Yeah it's always said 91% said yes and 9% said now. It's fake.
SkillzKillzBR 4 years ago
this movie is horrible just so you people know. dont waste your money on it. so predictable
dkelly2671 4 years ago
I prefer to waste my money thanks; I wanna see this for myself!
jroberts202 4 years ago 4
is this movie better than the eye
EugeneV1994 4 years ago 2
this is great look for more?
gunnikolog.
myminicity.
com -
Thx
gunniquickservice 4 years ago
what site?
islenskurgangster 4 years ago
Exciting, i love Diane Lane. So rare.
bectiursyt 4 years ago