Dan Bull interview: copyright and the music industry

[FuckItSnoopy]

The guy in the station is a total cunt.

[TheAdhesiveGamer]

so what he is saying is that digitally buying music is ruining the music industry as well what a retard

[nicksynet]

yeah you ask johnny cash wich he liked better for fuck sake most artist love the early days going form one little gig to the next this guy they interviewd was all about the money and not the music.

[dev2000]

What kind of podcast is this?

Playing music halfway through an important point? Seems reasonable.

[evil4563]

... Things are going away. Well that's change

[Thurkensak]

"you can just kill me now" well sure i'd love to! where you at?

[jdunnwsup]

Rafer is worst film critic ever. It's not wonder he babbled about nothing in this interview

[jdunnwsup]

Rafer is worst film critic ever

[PliktaSmok]

Join the movement! Dan Bull is the SHIIIIIT!

[fionndempsey]

The format of this is extraordinarily irritating. I wish they'd quit editing the fuck out of it, and just let us listen to the people interviewed.

[Dcubs5]

@fionndempsey calm down 

[fionndempsey]

@Dcubs5 no.

[FeedsNoSliesMusic]

"Is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing? I don't know." Wonder why he's giving an opinion then. It's like when there's a text poll with the option "I don't know."

[CCTHESCENE]

Rafer Guzman seems like a twat

[jakegolden1]

"File sharing is a trend"? sorry, its not going away lol.

This guy is so awful and all he proves is how greedy and resistant to change he is.

[OnlyInNaziGermany]

This man really needs a slap

[VenVile]

I love Dan Bull's work, but people need to realize that the reason things are the way they are now, is because the system is set up in such a way for it to work the way it is. It takes a lot of money sometimes to produce an album. However, many of the smaller artists do not ever see a just amount of income from their work, especially where major lables are concerned. There are few Johnny Cash's out there...many people struggle to make money in music.

[Gl1tchProductions]

@VenVile music should not be about money.

[VenVile]

@Gl1tchProductions I didn't say it was!

[Gl1tchProductions]

@VenVile I KNOW! im just adding on to what you said ! :) lol

[mikelboom123]

I bet the days when Johnny Cash was flat broke traveling around playing at radio stations were the most memorable.

[lporiginalg]

man that dude, what is he an entertainment writer? he sounds like a total twatnozzle he needs to find a new job, one where I never have to hear him open his mouth again. If you think big budget production equals good music than go ahead and keep listning to lady gaga but me I'll stick with my Dan Bull mkay thanks.

[brainac0cult]

I hate capitalism.

[halflifeproductionz]

the guy thats talking is an EPIC FAILURE!

[penaxor]

"I am of a certain age, that remembers things in a certain way"... Okay, that's great, good for you.

[brainac0cult]

@penaxor that guy pissed me off so much, he doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about!

[GBXS]

Honestly, I dont really think these artists making an overall less amount of money is a huge big of a deal. It's not like they suddenly cant support their children anymore, they still all have bloody huge houses. I think I need that penny money more then any of those wankers.

[aelfredhauscarl]

Hey Mr Bull did you ever here from Lilly ? Probably not after all you won't advance her career. I don't like Lilly Allen she's just famous because of her dad.

[ayporos]

"I am of a certain age, that remembers things in a certain way"... yeah great arguement you retard.

Lets just hope people of his 'certain age' and his 'certain way' of memory all just DIE really really fast so us proper upstanding 21st century people can go on with our lives

[MrDavey1]

Why are they talking to this tool and having Dan Bull on tape? If he was in the studio I bet he'd have ripped him a new arsehole.

"We'll have more musical choice"

"Yeah, maybe, but is that a good thing or a bad thing?"

What a dick!

[MrWinstonS]

I absolutely disagree with Rafer Guzman... There are A LOT of bands singing about the Iraq war or wire-tapping... Even more than singing about file-sharing..

I don't know where he gets this bullshit.

Just look at Nine inch nails, Bad Religion. Anti-Flag, Propaghandi, NOFX, Dead Kennedy's etc.. etc.. Punk-Rock is still really alive.

I could make a whole list of (alive) bands singing about modern day politics..

[MrBrindleStyle]

"I value production... That stuff takes money." You may find artists cannot get to the money- which does exist and is allocated. Artists are busy creating, may not have access to, knowledge of, appropriate bureaucratic pathways to funding.

[SirLoinOfsteak85]

Raifer basically admits that the reason he's anti-piracy is that he's a reactionary, caught up in the past.

[nilbud]

The toothless grow ruthless in their inevitable swing to the right.

[SuperFinalcut]

I don't think the labels understand. Music has been around for ever. Silent night was written and created. IT was shared in church and spread around the entire world. Now millions of people know and love the song. We support the artist! We share and want others to listen to the music also. I'm an artist I understand. I wish People would share my stuff. So people would know about me.

[GBXS]

@SuperFinalcut Oh, the labels and big company's understand it all right. They just want to make more and more money, that's what it is all about for them.

[TheEraserRain]

What a depressing person, that he would defend such a corrupt organization such as the entertainment industry, which ruins so many lives due to some misplaced nostalgia for a bygone era that wasn't exactly sterling as silver, if you get my meaning.

[shiz1000]

who is this raifer guy?

seriously apparently NO BANDS have made songs against the iraq war?

/facepalm

people that have no idea what they are talking about shouldn't even bother leaving the house in the morning

[openbath]

I wouldnt help but think Raifer (SP?) Didn't quite get it.

Free music doesn't mean we have to end production.

He clearly hasn't listened to Dan Bull's track or music when he talks about Dan Bull only being about free music.

He also seems to refer to Captilism as a trend. I can't help but think he hasn't explored the concepts and argument properly.

As Dan Bull says it isn't that clear cut.

[openbath]

@openbath I mean I *couldn't* help

[ThomasJamesRiglar]

I met this person the other day that said there was a download sale on at the pirate bay website? I'm not sure what that is, but apparently there is 100% off most items. Might want to check it out...

[ddemonicflame]

Personally, I think that the power and money should be in the hands of the artists, not the record labels.

If the artist wants to have a stranglehold on copyright, they can.

But the successful ones will likely be those who don't, and so gain more popularity..

And they wouldn't lose out on money because they wouldn't have to be losing most of their profits to the record label people, and they could be more true to doing what they wanted to do (see what lostprophets decided to do)

[danthemango]

"illegal filesharing, it's not going to go away"

absolutely true. the take down of the pirate bay, and the restrictions on mininova, have singlehandedly decentralized illicit file sharing, making it that much harder to control.

statistics show that since the takedown of the pirate bay, illegal file sharing has resumed to the same levels as before and is now more common than ever, on other websites and trackers.

[smallgreenjon]

Dan you are beautifully eloquent. I especially like the fact that your argument doesn't boil down to "i'm of a certain age".

What a great argument! Lets just go back to the good old days of being sexist, racist and homophobic! Who needs progress!

They worried that the cassette tape would kill the music industry, it didn't. Dan is just living proof that good musicians will adapt and survive.

[zeekgenateer]

This is a MOVEMENT. Bigger than you realize label pundit...

[RadialSkid]

"I come from a generation where I value the album, I value production, a big concept. That stuff takes money."

No, it doesn't, Rafer. Not anymore. Any musician with a modicum of technical ability can record a professional-sounding album on their own and publish it online. Get your head out of the 20th century, already.

Dan Bull did it. And I bought his album, too. That's right: Even though he also offers it for free, I paid for it because I knew the money would actually go to the ARTIST.

[EvilMrfluffy]

Love what you do! I'm behind a "free culture movement" time to end capitalism anyway

[zigglesUK]

^5 Dan.... Good on ya :)

[MrAndyDick]

This is the "Free Culture Movement" and it is also working with films too. Check out the story behind "Sita Sings the Blues"!

Keep doing what you're doing, Dan!

[ikpts]

That guy against filesharing essentially says this:

"When I was young, there were records. I want records. ANYTHING ELSE THREATENS IT SO BAN IT!!!".

What. a. joke.

[JackedHammer]

@ikpts

It is evident this guy was not listening to the comments the interviewer and Dan Bull were making: Although the music would be free people are perfectly happy to pay and support the music they like. Irregardless of it being free the artists are making money, and making that money directly as opposed to the music industry. I would much rather pay the artist directly than pay and record producer and because of the internet this is now a viable option.

[cabbage0dusk]

The guy arguing against file sharing just seems like he's arguing for the sake of arguing?

"We shouldn't do that because that would mean change"?

I can see both sides of the argument, but i think it's time for change. People might not be as rich, but once they've gotten over that i think they'll be alot happier..

[pscomics]

Peace to Dan Bull.

[pscomics]

What's this guy talking about? There were whole albums about Bush, Iraq, etc. Radiohead's Hail to the Thief comes to mind. Even Muse has several songs about those issues. Then there's System of a Down. The list goes on and on.

[JackedHammer]

@pscomics

There was mass support for not going to war. The majority of the British population were against a very costly and pointless war. Protests, articals, music, etc. The guy is an idiot, just because he didn't listen.

[RobTFirefly]

Take a look at modern-day independent artists like Jonathan Coulton, who regularly put what they do out there for free and encourage filesharing of their work, and somehow still make a great living playing shows, selling merch and music, etc. without needing the now-outdated services of the old bloated record labels.

This is where the future of the entertainment industry lies. The old labels and business models are dying out, and we are watching their panicked death throes.

[AtheistGlitch]

I pasted it on spikedhumor :D hasn't got viral there yet.

[krazykizza]

Gone global.

[Brendan2da]

ppl jus need 2 reduce the price of albums, i mean i can get DVD's for £3 new films so why should i be paying £16 for an album? it costs more to make a film then an album, i know films make a lot of profit from cinema and shit but artists make a lot of profit from tours aswell so there both the same, all we need to do is reduce the price of albums

[krazykizza]

You pay £16 for albums? Ripped!

[Brendan2da]

i paid £16 for trey songz album the other day, its not big here in the UK, I've paid £10 for other albums n even down to £5 etc but generally albums are way too expensive man

[krazykizza]

I don't pay more than £10 for albums, thats if I buy them at all.

[northwesten]

fucking win