Yeah ... don't shut up! This is internet / America. Say whatever you want to say. I'm Buddhist. If you don't believe in Buddha, I don't care either. You have the right to doubt any thing that people or any book has to say.
Ok, then let me hear your logical argument against me saying...
Well, you see, from an early age you become imprint vulnerable and learn, over time, to attach various emotions, or rather networks of emotions, to various external stimulus. At age seven you get a HUGE semantic imprint. From this "reason" emerges. Reason is attached to semantics because to reason beyond instinct you need the ability to think in abstract terms/metaphor.
buddha was a hindu shakya prince of kapilvastu,lumbini,nepal.he left his life of luxuries to find out abt the solution to human sufferings.he was enlighten after a long meditation.his preaching is abt finding urself and finding the inner light.if u find ur inner light you find true happiness,u find godand ultimetly u break all the prison of human sufferings like old age,death,and disease and so on.
agnostic and skeptic are not the same thing. also, buddha is not worshipped as a god... common misconception for the word "religion" means simply to have faith in something. I have faith that my cat will hit the litter box next time. you could call me a peeboxian. some people have faith in an omnipotent old man in a toga... you call them christians.
I know they are not the same, I'm sure I didn't say they were the same.
and I understand that many Buddhists believe in an atheist, non-metaphysical, Buddhism. There are those that have deities within their Buddhism as well, however.
People bring gods with them into Buddhism. These gods you speak of do not originate in Buddhism. There are Christian Buddhists, Muslim Buddhists, Atheist Buddhists. Hindu Buddhist... with their stories of many deities. Saying that Buddhism itself teaches about a god, is the equivalent of saying that if a Christian visits a Mosque, that all the Muslims there have suddenly became Christian because of his visit. Buddhism is a philosophy... If you want to bring your god into it that's fine.
ok, that's my understanding. I don't want to tell buddhists what it takes to be a real one, but I admit my understanding is that buddhism is, in reality, an atheistically philosophy.
From a Tibetan Buddhist, it is common misconception that Mahayana and Tibetan Buddhism has gods and creator gods- not true! I hope I can lay this debate to rest. The "intermingling of tribal beliefs" is also a common false belief, particularly about Tibetan Buddhism. All Buddhists beleive in no soul or ego, annata, and no God, Anbrahma. Also, Pyrrho, the belief in yourself as existing, an independent I, a false identity from which all grasping and negative emtions spring, is a greater fault
good message and thanks for the clarification, that has been ny understanding. embracing that grasping side, however, seems to me a part of life, a beautiful complication. its energy.
Buddhism can be atheistic. Strict Buddhism does not "preach" theism at all, but Buddhism often intermingled with tribal beliefs which include spirits/gods.
The new Jedi religion from Star Wars is also not theist (but they believe in the Force).
Don't confuse non-theism with skepticism, although most atheists are also skeptics/realists/rationalists.
Look I am agnostic and also buddhist. But my mom is religios and buddhist.She is believin on god, but not as a creator.... I really don't understand what kind of god it is.... In my family there are lots off atheists and religiose people. But noone takes religion really seriosly.
I see, sorry - I thought you were taking the extreme atheist view point of the fat nutjob. Regardless of what people believe, there is no excuse for his behaviour and extremists like him and the ones in all other religions shouldnt be encouraged.
There is more emperical evidence of the inteconnectedness of all matter than there is for a random universe so your reason will only take you so far. Quantum physics openly admits the limitations of science so you are basing your ultimate evolved philiosophy on nothing factual and are little more than a believer yourself..
Sorry, i was still in rude mode since listening to that fat guys rudeness and since you are commending him i figured you were on his level of poor social skills.
Yes, all buddhists are atheist. The small minority sects that worship dieties believe in other planes of existence and still do not believe these dieties are ultimate creators of the universe in the monotheist sense. Besides, buddhist texts cant be untheist just because a tiny minority deviate from the original teaching.
Your understanding of Buddhism is incorrect. Buddhism does teach that there are GODS, but does not teach that such gods created the universe, nor do they live forever. Nevertheless that depends totally on one's definition of what god or a god is to them. Buddhism however does not teach in the eternal, omnipotent, omniscient god that created the universe and this is where the similarity between Buddhism and Atheism may lie.
However, some buddhists may choose to believe in god, gods or a god and still call themselves buddhists while others may not and still call themselves that.
In addition, atheism means much more than just the no belief of a god, it means the lack of belief in anything that has not been proven with evidence. Buddhism teaches reincarnation yet there is no substantial evidence to prove this. Atheists don't believe in reincarnation, but Buddhists do. That is just one example. Therefore Buddhism cannot be equated to Atheism.
No, it is your understanding that is incorrect. Atheism just means no belief in god, your description is skeptisism, not atheism.
Secondly, your description of buddhist "gods" is mere semantics. Devas, brahmans and other beings on other planes of existence are not what theists would classify as a creator "god". Theism is a belief in a creator god, atheism is the disbelief in it. Your just playing word games anbd you got it wrong so suck it.
I could agree with you on all your points. Nevertheless, returning to your original point 'Buddhists are atheists' I still have to disagree, since some "buddhists" believe in the creator god and still call themselves buddhist. A buddhist in this case would be someone who practices the buddha's teachings. So anyone can believe anything they want and do buddhist practices and thus call themselves buddhist. Clearly not all buddhists are therefore atheists.
I know a christian who believes in the easter bunny.
The pali canon clearly state numerous occasions of the buddha mocking peoples belief in god. People who practice buddhist teachings and believe in god aren't buddhists. Just theists who practice a bit of buddhism. Theism is not part of buddhism and you are clutching at straws to back up your pointless and wrong argument.
buddha was a living man... belief in the teaching of buddha do not require belief in theism, it is a well known fact, frankly, and only some buddhists have theistic views.
yaa atheists :D
mitch4942 1 year ago
please add substance next time
corjoth 1 year ago
atheist HIGH FIVE
noobtuber10 1 year ago
check out youtube vid:
Burke Lecture: Buddhism in a Global Age of Technology
watch google video:
Thomas McEvilley on 'The Shape of Ancient Thought'
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
shut up please
okelorreur 2 years ago
nope
pyrrho314 2 years ago
Yeah ... don't shut up! This is internet / America. Say whatever you want to say. I'm Buddhist. If you don't believe in Buddha, I don't care either. You have the right to doubt any thing that people or any book has to say.
krittmasta 2 years ago
@pyrrho314 Great answer!
Imhornydadcomeinside 1 year ago
another load american, why don't you all shut the fuck up anyway, there are no god's and don't put a name on me, i'm the sane one here
marsape 2 years ago
well, after you europeans raped the planet you left a lot of loud english speakers spread about.
to bad for you.
pyrrho314 2 years ago
Atheism isn't a belief system.
Atheism is just a lack of a belief in gods.
Nothing more.
Everything else is added to it.
Surhotchaperchlorome 3 years ago 2
Realz.
Logic/congicentrism is the reason for most atheism, which is pathetic.
Pseudo-nihilism appears to be responsible for the second half, which is cowardly.
Logic breaks down into determinism, which eats logic.
Pseudo-nihilism is usually the result. Accepting your "fate".
If every one of us is engendered, and none of us have the truth, why not wear beliefs like clothes, and take em off when the day's done?
raccoonlord 1 year ago
@raccoonlord LOLWUT
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago
because a belief is preciesly those truths that hold more than a day... logic does not break down to determinism, at all.
pyrrho314 1 year ago
Ok, then let me hear your logical argument against me saying...
Well, you see, from an early age you become imprint vulnerable and learn, over time, to attach various emotions, or rather networks of emotions, to various external stimulus. At age seven you get a HUGE semantic imprint. From this "reason" emerges. Reason is attached to semantics because to reason beyond instinct you need the ability to think in abstract terms/metaphor.
raccoonlord 1 year ago
why would I argue against that... and why that would mean your can't hold a belief more than a day.
pyrrho314 1 year ago
buddha was a hindu shakya prince of kapilvastu,lumbini,nepal.he left his life of luxuries to find out abt the solution to human sufferings.he was enlighten after a long meditation.his preaching is abt finding urself and finding the inner light.if u find ur inner light you find true happiness,u find godand ultimetly u break all the prison of human sufferings like old age,death,and disease and so on.
kenfromqueenz 3 years ago
there is philosophical Buddhism (the original), and the corruption of it (religious Buddhism).
please distinguish between the two.
largemoose 3 years ago 2
agnostic and skeptic are not the same thing. also, buddha is not worshipped as a god... common misconception for the word "religion" means simply to have faith in something. I have faith that my cat will hit the litter box next time. you could call me a peeboxian. some people have faith in an omnipotent old man in a toga... you call them christians.
r3vk3nny 3 years ago
I know they are not the same, I'm sure I didn't say they were the same.
and I understand that many Buddhists believe in an atheist, non-metaphysical, Buddhism. There are those that have deities within their Buddhism as well, however.
pyrrho314 3 years ago
People bring gods with them into Buddhism. These gods you speak of do not originate in Buddhism. There are Christian Buddhists, Muslim Buddhists, Atheist Buddhists. Hindu Buddhist... with their stories of many deities. Saying that Buddhism itself teaches about a god, is the equivalent of saying that if a Christian visits a Mosque, that all the Muslims there have suddenly became Christian because of his visit. Buddhism is a philosophy... If you want to bring your god into it that's fine.
r3vk3nny 3 years ago
ok, that's my understanding. I don't want to tell buddhists what it takes to be a real one, but I admit my understanding is that buddhism is, in reality, an atheistically philosophy.
pyrrho314 3 years ago
From a Tibetan Buddhist, it is common misconception that Mahayana and Tibetan Buddhism has gods and creator gods- not true! I hope I can lay this debate to rest. The "intermingling of tribal beliefs" is also a common false belief, particularly about Tibetan Buddhism. All Buddhists beleive in no soul or ego, annata, and no God, Anbrahma. Also, Pyrrho, the belief in yourself as existing, an independent I, a false identity from which all grasping and negative emtions spring, is a greater fault
stephen0793 3 years ago
good message and thanks for the clarification, that has been ny understanding. embracing that grasping side, however, seems to me a part of life, a beautiful complication. its energy.
pyrrho314 3 years ago
Buddhism can be atheistic. Strict Buddhism does not "preach" theism at all, but Buddhism often intermingled with tribal beliefs which include spirits/gods.
The new Jedi religion from Star Wars is also not theist (but they believe in the Force).
Don't confuse non-theism with skepticism, although most atheists are also skeptics/realists/rationalists.
RodCornholio 4 years ago
Buddhist Deistic
SultanBorat 4 years ago
"There are also religiose buddhists"
Look I am agnostic and also buddhist. But my mom is religios and buddhist.She is believin on god, but not as a creator.... I really don't understand what kind of god it is.... In my family there are lots off atheists and religiose people. But noone takes religion really seriosly.
Pandoora 4 years ago
I see, sorry - I thought you were taking the extreme atheist view point of the fat nutjob. Regardless of what people believe, there is no excuse for his behaviour and extremists like him and the ones in all other religions shouldnt be encouraged.
Sorry about the mix up :P
onemind1 4 years ago
There is more emperical evidence of the inteconnectedness of all matter than there is for a random universe so your reason will only take you so far. Quantum physics openly admits the limitations of science so you are basing your ultimate evolved philiosophy on nothing factual and are little more than a believer yourself..
onemind1 4 years ago
all I have to believe is that I exist.
pyrrho314 4 years ago
Sorry, i was still in rude mode since listening to that fat guys rudeness and since you are commending him i figured you were on his level of poor social skills.
Yes, all buddhists are atheist. The small minority sects that worship dieties believe in other planes of existence and still do not believe these dieties are ultimate creators of the universe in the monotheist sense. Besides, buddhist texts cant be untheist just because a tiny minority deviate from the original teaching.
onemind1 4 years ago
no problem
pyrrho314 4 years ago
Buddhists are atheists so you are all fucking retarded.
onemind1 4 years ago
not all buddhists, but I can see you are too rude to be retarded.
pyrrho314 4 years ago
buddhists are buddhists, atheists are atheists. Are you suggesting that bananas are apples? Clearly there is a fundamental flaw in your logic.
Imperar 4 years ago
lol, retard.
Atheism just means no belief in god. Buddhists dont believe in god therefore they are atheists. Clearly there is a fundamental flaw in your logic.
onemind1 4 years ago
seek help about your bigotry against "the retarded"
pyrrho314 4 years ago
Seek help about your retardation.
onemind1 4 years ago
nope
pyrrho314 4 years ago
Your understanding of Buddhism is incorrect. Buddhism does teach that there are GODS, but does not teach that such gods created the universe, nor do they live forever. Nevertheless that depends totally on one's definition of what god or a god is to them. Buddhism however does not teach in the eternal, omnipotent, omniscient god that created the universe and this is where the similarity between Buddhism and Atheism may lie.
Imperar 4 years ago
you speak as if there is only one form of buddhism, are you claiming what you say represents them all, or that there is only one?
pyrrho314 4 years ago
However, some buddhists may choose to believe in god, gods or a god and still call themselves buddhists while others may not and still call themselves that.
Imperar 4 years ago
In addition, atheism means much more than just the no belief of a god, it means the lack of belief in anything that has not been proven with evidence. Buddhism teaches reincarnation yet there is no substantial evidence to prove this. Atheists don't believe in reincarnation, but Buddhists do. That is just one example. Therefore Buddhism cannot be equated to Atheism.
Imperar 4 years ago
No, it is your understanding that is incorrect. Atheism just means no belief in god, your description is skeptisism, not atheism.
Secondly, your description of buddhist "gods" is mere semantics. Devas, brahmans and other beings on other planes of existence are not what theists would classify as a creator "god". Theism is a belief in a creator god, atheism is the disbelief in it. Your just playing word games anbd you got it wrong so suck it.
onemind1 4 years ago
I could agree with you on all your points. Nevertheless, returning to your original point 'Buddhists are atheists' I still have to disagree, since some "buddhists" believe in the creator god and still call themselves buddhist. A buddhist in this case would be someone who practices the buddha's teachings. So anyone can believe anything they want and do buddhist practices and thus call themselves buddhist. Clearly not all buddhists are therefore atheists.
Imperar 4 years ago
I know a christian who believes in the easter bunny.
The pali canon clearly state numerous occasions of the buddha mocking peoples belief in god. People who practice buddhist teachings and believe in god aren't buddhists. Just theists who practice a bit of buddhism. Theism is not part of buddhism and you are clutching at straws to back up your pointless and wrong argument.
onemind1 4 years ago
I understand now. I will back down my argument. Please forgive my ignorance. You have shown me the light and I now respect you for doing so.
Imperar 4 years ago
no, atheism is not rationalism or believing things only proven with evidence. It is entirely about not beliving in "theism".
pyrrho314 4 years ago
buddha was a living man... belief in the teaching of buddha do not require belief in theism, it is a well known fact, frankly, and only some buddhists have theistic views.
pyrrho314 4 years ago