MMA Training & Techniques : Standing Guillotine Shoulder Defense in MMA

[VakhoK]

wanderlei silva did this against sakuraba



[ciornianucristian]

"I have my friend here do a guillotine on me" that sounds sooooo wrong...

[Zeferak]

What if you're smaller and he's too heavy for you?

[CretesLe]

@Zeferak this isnt made to fight in the streets, and in regular fight you can lift someone of your weight.

[ARandomCanadian]

ya that works for big guys but if its a 200lbs guy choking the 160lbs guy, that slam won't work

[TemplarX2]

@ARandomCanadian You got to be kidding me. 200 lbs is peanut. I'm 190 lbs and still can easily lift somebody twice my weight rather easily. Given that those guys cannot squat/deadlift as much as me, still 200 lbs is not much. And most fit people are only around 180 lbs or less.

[ARandomCanadian]

@TemplarX2 Easy when it's dead weight, not easy when that weight is working against you

[salvationwar]

@ARandomCanadian Yes it can, it's pure leverage, my buddy weighs about 215 Ibs and I train this move with him every day, in the gym. You aren't just picking him up, relying on your muscles. You notice how he puts his leg behind the victim and twists to an angle on the guy? It gives him leverage. This move is like a mix between a Judo throw and a Wrestling takedown.

[jojowaldinger]

ever since i quit mma at elite mma i feel like ive gotten better cuz of watching youtube videos i even learned a gogoplata grappling techiniques and a shitload of combinations i wouldnt have thought of looks like i threw my parents money down a shithole for half a year hahaha

[Bammx2]

nice move. But...there is always a "but"... street mode when you weight 100lbs soaking wet and the guy with your head is 250lbs...... This will be some problem. I still like it! (because I weight 250 ;-))

[CeldhanMiranda]

Nice! Ima try out the kimura right after i get them to the ground. You gave me a good combination thanks.

[AMAURIS966]

haha, holy shit that is GOOOD

[ladedabob]

is this legal in wrestling, if i don't have him up as high?

[boricubadass7]

u have to control the body when going down in wrestlinq

[salvationwar]

lol I remember this on Never Back Down

this is one of my favorite escapes

[cortcase]

It is beautiful. Anyone who sees you lift a dude six feet in the air and basically drop him is not going to want to mess with you anymore.

[theguyi26]

@salvationwar This is different from the one in "Never Back Down". The movie one is actually a bit better. Instead of bringing your left arm around the left side of his head, you shoot it to the right side of his head and curl it around his head.

[drpepperjake123]

great. i have allready learned this in my mma class. nice work

[saleslunchy]

really simple stuff explained really well. Thanks mate for sharing your tips...

[Quig2k7]

He Could Still Hav Ur Head in the slam

[gmatt911]

even if he has ur head its hard to make a guillotine work from side or half guard

[cortcase]

I think his point is that if your head is in his lock and you slam his back to the ground, then your head is going into the concrete.

[LuisTheWiser]

yeah then what?>

[SkyLimitProductions]

@Quig2k7 u cant finish a choke from sidecontrol, all he would have to do is crossface and he'd easily be out.and if he holds on all that would do is make the other guy loss more energy so hes basically hurting himself

[kevinchristopher100]

@Quig2k7 Doesn't matter cause you will have him in side control.

[normalnamesplz]

@Quig2k7 yes but he can't do anything with it and you can crossface to release yourself

[Firecrotch6979]

@Quig2k7 Yeah, and you're also slamming them into a side control position, where they can't finish the submission, and where your head won't hit the mat if you're slamming him correctly.

[salvationwar]

@Quig2k7 Yeah he could, actually inexperienced grapplers will most likely hold onto your head after the takedown, but now you aren't being choked, and if they're going to hold onto the headlock then it's just a simple pass to the mount to get out of it.

[salvationwar]

@salvationwar I accidentally said mount, I meant crossface ;P DO NOT GO TO MOUNT lol you could still get choked.

[theguyi26]

@salvationwar You make a great point. I was just about to say I got choked even while I was mounting the guy once but then I read your correction. This is something that I was never taught but I have experienced in sparring outside of gyms.

[42Kazuma42]

@Quig2k7 but he dont have enoug pressure to let you tapout

[asian513]

damn. u guys r awesome. watching u guys is the next best thing than actually doing a real mma class. especially if ur parents wont let u do one. . . .

[yuriogy1]

yeah these are great. my parents cant afford one right now but they said i can take martial arts after the summer.

try talking your parents into it. say its for self defense... good luck

[asian513]

haha yah i tried telling em that and they said i already do karate (but it doesnt teach u how to fight from the ground, that's the problem). and, my dad watches ufc from time to time and he knows it can be dangerous, so he wont lemme. and they wont lemme do wrestling in high school, which sux too

[xcatreyux]

wrestling is what got me into mma. ive been wrestling for 3 years now and just that little expierience has helped me pick up on a lot of mma moves. highschool wrestling is a perfect start im suprised ur parents think karate is any safer lol

[forcethrown]

I Like this technique.

[RSDoom3d]

My friend once got me with a guillotine before I even knew what it was ... we were just play wrestling, wish i would've known this back then. He'd've been surprised lol

[gremlin05]

Don't forget to turn your head and dig your chin into the guy's ribs when you're in the guillotine.

[mmafighter2727]

wat i usually do is if the guy has a guillotine on my but has his legs straight foward in front of me i do a double leg and swing around into half guard. or if land in his guard i'd choke him with my shoulder.

[hectorruiz2004]

The title of this video is too long.

[curtisk799]

but what happens if the guy giving you the guillotine just holds on super tight. arent you just in the same position just on the ground?

[intense102]

no cuzz then your in side control and the pressure on your throat will be relieved and u will be able to breath i recomend goin to the north/south as soon as you can if he is still holding on and work from there

[TylerH2055]

yea ... or try and break his hand free and give him some br00talz knees the the body... and wait for a chance to take mount

[devilskullsixtysix]

If you slam him into side control like how they showed, the position of his choke isn't going to be strong so you can just get out of it.

[d1s1smik3]

most guillotines are done on the ground you hardly see that submission hold done standing...so the move wont really help a lot if your down on the ground with the guillotines on you

[FsrSagna]

that move is bad teaching thats like trying to hip toss a state level wrestler its doesn't work terrible technique. attacking the wrist and keeping balance control is key.

[portabiker]

if you do it like that he might be able to attack you with his knee but still a good technique 5*

[SundinSucksHuge]

So would this move work if he is a lot stronger than you and if you went for the leg, he would just tighten up the guillotine and you wouldnt have the strength to continue??

[Clinto2011]

haha ya this moves bs...when you go for their leg they will just spawl out and still have you in a guillotine

[flipflops75]

unless by some miracle they have no idea what they are doing.... so yeah... if you use this move you're fucked

[ballbagbaggins]

ppl asking what if he still has the guillotine on. it wont be on if u r out to the side of him think about it. also if he is on his back and u r over him then there wouldnt be any pressure on ur neck even if he was at the right angle.

[cracko52]

how bout you just bring your head in tigh to his body so he cant get you into the guillotine

[Heezish]

this wont work. no one stands like that in a Guillotin

[leestitzel]

I train with a guy who is 6' 2" so i have a tough time with fending off a standing giultoinne. This move wouldn't work on him cause I don't have the arm length to reach down to control his leg.

[catigger25]

Does anyone know the name of the instructor? pls let me know. Thanks!

[lamtartarus]

that's why you make sure you press your chin down on one end of your collar bone so he can't fully lock his guillotine

[Reddogg387]

FYI if guy has guillotine you're prob screwed if you're like me. I let my dad put it on me and tried to escape, before I could even try (literally 2-3 seconds later) I was out on the floor. Guillo's are deadly.

[KaratekaKid]

True, but it's a good idea to try an escape, because "if you're like me", I don't like to have blemishes on my official record be it MMA or grappling. Guillotines may get tight, but if you attempt this technique before it's fastened in, you can indeed escape. Rampage Jackson has used it several times, he may even be the guy who invented this takedown. I couldn't give you the exact name(s) he used it on, but watch any Rampage HL vid and u'll see it.

Keep in mind we ain't all Rampage tho =P

[wtwnea]

what if he still has the guillotine locked on?

[FaTaL305]

"Pressuring down on his neck will release that guillotine."

[DjPat6]

how bout if u cant breathe?

[ybonk]

do it quick

[Fightwearni]

Thats gR8, Going to drill this over and over,, on traing i got guillotined a lot, Thats going to change..Thanks for Vid.

[916cris]

OMG finally a move to block a Guillotine

[njoelw]

i bet u cool guys are

[Snipe617]

I agree. I'm gong to practice this move

[Snipe617]

That is tight I'm going o use that in a wrestling match