Gödel, Escher, Bach - Lecture 1: Part 1 of 7

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[TheFrenchRev]

Does he have to circle EVERYTHING?

[coolsprus101]

You can tell this guy is passionate about what he is talking about.

[JenellKellioy280]

naja jemand deutsch

[SilentHillFan2009]

i tried the MU sequence over 1 hour just to know it was impossible... until i keep reading the book...

awesome.

[iambored2006]

I attempted to finish the book in one day today... read a hundred pages.

[billz92223]

ahsome,,,



[Crasshopperrr]

Why does this guy get to teach G.E.B.? He's not Doug...

[halloue]

How long did you take to read this book?



[cachorro25]

I love this book. I have read it several times but I found that (for me) it was easier to understand when I skipped or glaze over the dialogues and just pay attention to the content

[eviltreesloth]

I think "Goebel, Echter, Bock: An Eternal Golden Beer" would make a great parody of GEB.

Goebel's incompleteness theorem: no parody is capable of fully parodying itself.

[newpariah]

I am a strange loop

(also a great book by hofstadter)

[fgxdx85]

The book is so brilliant and it reads very well, i don't think such a short-introduction lecture could ever cover it, it even looks rather boring compared to the actual book. And i really cannot understand how it can take one 7 years to read it, i read it in 2 weeks. If you have some knowlegde in computer science or math, it is not that hard, in fact, a lot of the stuff will already be quite familiar. Just remember: Keep of the pushcorn!

[InternetHitler]

Props to Dick Clark! He's known for several things, including American Bandstand--but I don't think the ITTIA quote is one of them.

[whiterabbitpress]

If Shakespeare had Hamlet say, *I think therefore I am* would that prove that Hamlet existed?

[sergiomuratalla]

BULLSHIT!!!! lol just kidding

[sergiomuratalla]

BEST BOOK EVER!!! been reading it for a whole yeare and got to 60% tough...

[jbearden]

He doesn't seem to know much about Kurt Godel. This is common, today. Almost no understanding of Godel, or limited understanding, or out-out misunderstanding.

[tomblack2112]

Still working on the MU puzzle. Doh!

[destruction143]

Thank you for putting this up.

[Cassyan]

I watched some videos here on YT and it strikes me the difference between a lecture held by an american teacher and an european one. The americans are very collocquial and casual, while the europeans seem to have a certain rethoric. While sometimes I enjoy casual speach, even in matters of Philosophy, I can't but note the ellegance and the beauty of an nicely crafted discourse, which is lost in the american approach. Not really a criticism but an observation.

[andrewtheman19]

@Cassyan

I'm afraid you simply haven't watched enough American lectures. Check out Carl Sagan to start. Unless, of course, you just prefer a fancy accent.

[Tonjevic]

@andrewtheman19

You think Sagan *doesn't* have a fancy accent?

[Zzbzq]

@Cassyan One thing I notice about Europeans is that they are obsessed with trying to characterize differences between European styles and other styles. In America this is considered, not exactly rude, but let's say socially awkward.

[dirtmerchant1980]

@Cassyan very nicely stated, i can barely even detect the anti-americanism in that statement.

[Cassyan]

@dirtmerchant1980 Ok, it's time to settle this, because I start getting bored of all this kind of comments. You've all taken my words way too personal. Watch "Il Cafe Filosofico" (I think some excerpts are here on YT) and see what I had in mind when I wrote that.

I intend to move to US soon, so the °anti-americanism° that you talk about is out of the question. As I have said, it was an observation, not a criticism. I might be wrong, of course.

[igoronline]

@Cassyan Logic and argumentation are skills, not cultural traits.What can be a cultural trend is the tendency for academics to think too highly of their institution's dogma and themselves... but I suppose this happens in all occupations of high social status.

[MoaiMaea]

A friend of mine noticed that as well.

[sbergman27]

@Cassyan Watch Walter Lewin's MIT Open Courseware physics lectures for the 801.x courses. Prof. Lewin is Dutch. But the classes are American. Lewin rehearses each lecture 3 times in front of a volunteers before presenting them to his classes. This gives his presentations a certain clarity which you don't get with, say, Susskind, who is forever going back & saying "No, lets call that q instead of x. No, q is the charge. 'p'. Let's call it 'p'." And then proceeds to use x half the time anyway.

[Cassyan]

@sbergman27 Thank you for a different kind of answer. Now this is what I call an interesting and informative comment. Here on YT if you have an oppinion which is not in tone with the general stream, you are promptly assaulted and called names: hater, troll, flamer, european. :)

This lecturer just lost me with his endless "well, um, so..." But I admit I cannot generalize, I didn't hear all the lecturers in the US. Thanks for the Walter Lewin indication, I will check it out, sounds promising.

[sbergman27]

@Cassyan I watch lots of lectures. Invariably under Leonard Susskind's Stanford lectures there are loads of highly rated posts saying "What a wonderful teacher he is!". Now, Susskind is a brilliant theoretical physicist but obviously does no planning at all for his lectures. They're disjointed, full of back-tracking & stuff he forgot to say. He's a lousy teacher. But whenever I point this out my post gets modded into oblivion. Why? Because he's Susskind. The Emperor has no clothes!

[Cassyan]

@sbergman27 Ha ha ha, yeah, exactly!

[Cassyan]

@sbergman27 And I checked out Walter Lewin, he is indeed amazing. Wish all my former professors had his passion, I might have been in a different place by now.

[Bomberdoom]

@Cassyan not entirely true you know,for example the feynman lectures  :))

[trickyoutrickme]

Why the stream seems to halt at 8:50 ?! cant watch the end of this first part... =( any ideas? (tried different browsers, no luck.. and the HD got plenty of space...)

[ludosophist]

I read this thing in 8 weeks when I was in my Freshman summer, while working a full-time job. Here's to taking liberties with your jobs.

[lovesGenet]

Someone else sais we know there is thinking going on not that you or i are different modes or individuations of an action! This book is so famous I'm glad someone is explaining it now I will go buy it!

[peterphilip]

What GEB describes isomorphism/ information preserving as is nothing short of God.

[MariaOdeteMadeira]

(2/2)

Any system is self-referential, and every individuation is a system. Strange loopiness is not exclusive of men…, mice, amoeba, molecules, atoms and all those “meaningless” things are strange looped. This anthropocentric strange loop is a bit strange in its exclusiveness, must be some “country club strange loop” variety.

Systemic ontology lacking here, but…, well, at least Descartes’ quote is known.

[lollolllolllll]

@MariaOdeteMadeira There is s difference between theoretical understanding and applied understanding. Theory is something that can be learned by rote. Applied develops with induction and practice over time and has far deeper isomorphic correspondence than the former.

[MariaOdeteMadeira]

(1/2)

Seven years trying to understand Hofstadter, and still failing to understand him? That must have been a problem of thinking that Man is the measure of all the things. The same is to state that Man is the measure of all the entities. That’s too much, even for Man, even if made in likeness to “God”.

[jansuch]

Number of hits drops dramatically in the first few segments of this series of lectures. There's a good reason for that :)

[Xiuxiu1121]

MIT for life

[bobsinnepalshekitout]

V good

[Noodleboy111]

MIT undergraduates can't read the entire book? WHAT

[VolkColopatrion]

@Noodleboy111 check the amount of chapters in college text books. you'll find that the amount of chapters sync up with the amount of weeks a semester lasts.

[gr0mithtimon]

@Noodleboy111

read != understand

[224720]

1:48 - 5:48

No advertisement for this book, no recommendation, no amount of coercion or bribery could possibly have made as strong a case to me as those 3 minutes 50 seconds.

[endsequence]

'Gödel, Escher, Bach' is an awesome book.

[janetzki1]

@endsequence Agreed. I'm about halfway through reading it right now, and with each page it grows more and more exciting.

[hymnofashes]

Matter-> JESUSJESUSJESUS -> meaning

[CPLains]

lolled

[curiniul]

@hymnofashes

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[hymnofashes]

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*hummmmm*

[thewiffenpoof]

was this course for humanities students?

[Draswpas]

This subject is amazing! It's like I had no words within "my system" to describe it! :-D

[hymnofashes]

@Draswpas I recommend Dennett's "Consciousness Explained;" and "Freedom Evolves." He worked with Hofstadter on 'Mind's I'

[JosephLagrange]

could you upload the rest of the lectures? thanks a lot for this, awesome subject

[corymd3470]

I think, therefore I am, I think

[willou901]

@corymd3470 We get it, Descartes.