Even Gotse Deltchev,the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader,whose nome de guerre was Ahil (Achilles) "refers to the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).In his correspondence Gotse Deltchev often states simple and clearly,"We are Bulgarians" (Mac Dermott 1978:192,273).
@Yanitsaros Authentic Macedonian music is played on the gajda, zurla, kaval, tapan, tambura and Kemene. Though also played in Calgija ensembles, clarinet, violin, ud, kanon, tarabuka, and djumbus. in Aegean Macedonia it is played by the clarinet, and brass music. You know who made brass bands popular? the gypsies.
@Yanitsaros Dude you know nothing of true Macedonian culture. you know it to an extent but you are filled with greek propaganda. This dance is called Pusteno. The greek propaganda name is "leventikos" and "poustsenos" or along those lines. "poustsenos" is derived from the Macedonian language and it means "to let go". The music of vardar Macedonia is not like Bulgarian at all. don't be ignorant. It all varies from region to region.
I dont give a shite named macedonian....because im what I am....you are the ones calling desperately for it....most of today's greek macedonians are in fact turkish christians...does they have the right to call themself macedonians ?????
what about vlachos ??? is that a dopia too ??
vardar....you know where vardar is ??? as it is in todays republic of macedonia, it as well flows through todays
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Macedonian customs do not have so much black. These are Greek fakes just like so much of Greek policy. Wake up, the most agricultural productive area is Macedonia inhabited by what else but Slavs. Stop the cultural genocide. Greece did not come into existence until 1830s. Macedonia was even mentioned in the Bible. There is no mention of Greeks in the Bible because they did not exist.. Go back to Ethiopia
stop cultural genocide in Macedonia! Slavs can't pronounce toponyms like Chlerinon, Pella, Thessaloniki and pretend their slavic mispronounciation of Greek names are the true Macedonian names! Put an end to Slavic greed for land!
BEAUTIFUL!!! love the many, many traditional macedonian folk costumes and adore the music - the beloved "Leventikos/Poustcheno folk dance from Greek Macedonia ! Bravo Yianitsaros!
About the Slavs, I have read some of the Byzantium sources, and they don't talk about invasions. Rebellions, attacks... etc, etc but no invasions.
Herodotos doesn't mention Slavs to the north also...
When modern Bulgarians find Thracian inscriptions with Greek letters that they can understand on the basis of their modern language get really confused.
The first name of Thessalonike was Therme, Krenides was renamed to Fillipi... The names are changing
You are wrong about most historians thing. Maybe in Greece, but that's another thing.
Modern British people don't use the Celtic language that the old Britons used, but nobody tries to dispute their right to be British. That can be done on the Balkan only - Greece and Bulgaria.
Don't forget that these Slav people lived in Greece all the way to Peloponnese: Velegeziti, Ezeriti, Milingi, Rinhini, Voiuniti...
We just don't deny them like you do. We accept all elements.
The names of the places are changed over time. For example you use Vergina for Aigai. What is that Vergina?
There was no Ptolemaida in ancient times. Or what is that Kilkis?
By changing some of the names to their ancient Macedonian version doesn't give you right to proclaim yourself as owners of the history. Plus the names were changed in 1923.
Sorry, but you are the only one that agrees on the term Macedonian Slav. Nobody else. And that's your opinion.
The point is that Macedonians exist whether you like it or not, whether you ignore the fact or not. You ignore the reality and that is your problem. I can give you many proofs that will prove that modern Hellenic people have nothing in common with the ancient. But I respect your will to feel as you do. You should do the same.
The quote was to show you that you have become Hellenes not so long ago. And a proof of Macedonian existence back then. So we didn't become Macedonians 10 years ago like you want it to be. And therefore we can be nothing else except Macedonians. We have at least right to be Macedonians as much as you have right to be Hellenes.
You version of history doesn't favours me.
You want your version to be accepted by the rest of the people.
There is nothing true in your view. But it's yours. You can keep it.
I will give you one quote to prove you are wrong:
The Greeks don't have their national name, they call themselves as Romaioi (Romans), but we know them from the history as Egypsy (Egyptians) not Europeans, the Turks call them Kara kacanlar...
Georgia Pulevski (1817 - 1893), Macedonian educator and revolutionary.
(he considered Macedonians of that time as descendants of the ancient Macedonians)
Enough of this discussion. Anyway it leads nowhere.
The point is that you will have to accept the reality. We don't have to agree on the history issue. We shouldn't live in the past. It's the reality that we should accept and the future with that.
You can't change what can not be changed. We are Macedonians.
You can accept the fact or not. The rest of the world accepted it long time ago.
I am from this area. Yes our region is Macedonian but we are Greek Macedonians. In fact, we speak both Greek and Macedonian, however, the Macedonian we speak is quite different from those who call themselves Macedonians. If I listen to a Macedonian song or program, I can catch a few words, but thats all..same if I were listening to Russian, Serbian, any slav language
The British people today use Germanic language, are they Germans? The old Britons used Celtic language. Are they Germans. Are you the ones that will tell them what should they be?
It's not NOW that we claim that we are Macedonians. We are Macedonians much before you become Hellenes (you used to be Romaioi, Slavs, Vlahs, Albanians, Karamans...) You want to present things like they suite you.
You can call us as you like. How do we feel or how the world call us, that's another thing.
When Slavs came in Macedonia what happened to the ancient Macedonians (now you can tell me that they were Greeks etc etc). They were eaten by the Slavs?
We didn't started to claim Macedonian ethnicity a few years ago. Don't forget that. We don't claim anything. We are Macedonians simple as that.
You can call us (the Macedonians in the R. of Macedonia and in Greece as Bulgarians or any other term, but that's your choice... go on)
The real invaders are those that came from Asia Minor.
So, what counts for Greece should not count for Macedonia?
In my country there are no people of different origin that consider as Macedonians, but there is one group of people that consider itself as Macedonians.
In Greece there are people that don't feel as Greeks by ethnicity. And they are repressed because of that.
In my country other people that don't feel as Macedonian by ethnicity have right to feel as they wish.
Eastern Roman Empire didn't supported no Greek Orthodoxy. It created the Christianity, and developed the Orthodox version. Orthodox Christianity has no ethnicity. It's religion. Religions don't have ethnicity. Except maybe in your country.
Catholicism uses Latin language and that doesn't mean that all Catholics are Latins like you want to present it.
About Yugoslavia... that's another question and you are wrong in your conclusion. But I wouldn't talk about that too.
We use the name Macedonia as the name of the state since 1945. But somebody started to make problems 40 years after our state was created. And a few years after the creation of a new provinces in northern Greece, that have the name Macedonia in it.
Look at yourself, you decide what is our ethnicity. Is there anybody else that can define your ethnicity?
There is no term like South Slav Bulgarian.
The history says the Slavs settled all the way to Peloponnese. And gave the name to it - Morea.
I am familiar with the beginnings of the new Greek state, and what were the foundations. The way that it was created has nothing in common with the culture of ancient Greek polises.
My point upward was that not only the modern Greeks are heirs to the Byzantine legacy but all of us that live in it's previous borders.
A state that is not founded as ethnic one raises ethnic issues in the XXI century.
We all know what does Byzantium means. The point was that it was not the name of the empire back than. It was called Eastern Roman Empire and it's citizens were Romans. And felt like the Romans, although in time the religion and the language were changed. That is why Ottomans called the Balkan as Rumelia.
As we can all see the language and the religion changes in time. But the main cultural characteristics and the blood remains. They are the same all over Macedonia.
Even if the Mk nationalism is not very ancient (which is not true, but that is another subject) it is mush older than the artificial one that was created in modern Greece in order to justify the territorial expansion and the ethnic cleansing of the new Greek state over Macedonia (as well as other territories).
The local Macedonian population is (although mixed) descending from the ancient Macedonian population. Proved by DNA and by the tradition, which is evidenced in the history.
We don't tend to forbid anybody who wants to respect and praise Alexander, Filip... or others from the old Macedonians.
That is the difference between us. You think you can forbid others to celebrate or respect something. You think you can tell others how they should feel or what to do. It's madness.
Stop the madness.
We can respect, praise, study them together. this is XXI century not the XIX.
Slaveykov is not father of Mk nationalism, he was the biggest enemy of it, but at the same time his writings are very good proof for the existence of separate Macedonian identity during XIX century.
Pulevski was the father of it for sure, and he was collecting poems, stories, tales from the people. Many of those are about Alexander, Filip... (not about some tatars from Volga).
The people whose works were collected by Pulevski and many other were descendants of Alexander and Filip... it's us.
Slaveykov is not father of Mk nationalism, he was the biggest enemy of it, but at the same time his writings are very good proof for the existence of separate Macedonian identity during XIX century.
Pulevski was the father of it for sure, and he was collecting poems, stories, tales from the people. Many of those are about Alexander, Filip... (not about some tatars from Volga).
The people whose works were collected by Pulevski and many other were descendants of Alexander and Filip... it's us.
The term Byzantines didn't even existed. It's invented later, so they felt as Roman just as their forefathers before, the fact that the language and the religion changed that doesn't mean the empire was changed. And they had nothing in common with ancient Greek polises.
Don't twist my words. I wasn't talking about kingdoms. For the Romans (Byzantines) Bulgar = Slav, everywhere on the Balkan not just in Macedonia.
Also, Syrian orthodox is new term, it was part of the Byzantine church.
By all historians you mean Greek and Bulgarian? I can give you many of them that consider him Macedonian, even sources from that time. Some of them mention a state called Slavonia (not Bulgaria).
No Greeks existed either, only Romans.
For the Byzantines (Romans), Slav = Bulgarian. Hence they even considered Serbs, Montenegrines, Bosnians... as Bulgarians, are they?
Many people in modern Syria, Jordan, Palestine... were orthodox during Byzantine time. According to you they should be Greeks.
There are is abundance of proofs of Macedonian national identity before 1880. It doesn't matter how Byzantines (to be precise - Romans) or Ottomans referred to Slav, it is important how those people felt (or feel).
If Alexander, Filip... are Greek names than so is Europe, Christ... you are the only people in the world that give ethnicity to the names.
The Greeks in Cappadocia preserved their identity (although they had Turkish names, and spoke Turkish) but Macedonian didn't. Hmmm
Our name is indicating our ethnicity, ideology and history. The name was chosen much before and it can't be changed, just like you can't change yours.
We have relation with ancient Macedonians because we live on the same territory, and part of our blood is their blood. The people from Pontos have no connection. But we do.
What is Slavic in these names: Alexander, Filip, Dimitria... What is Macedonian (or Greek) in these: Karaman(lis), Karadzafer(is)...
There is no evidence of Samuil considering himself or his kingdom as Bulgaria or Bulgarian. In fact his first rebellion (uprising) was against Bulgarian king.
One can speak different languages but the language is not a measure of ethnicity. (Maybe today it is especially in some countries like Greece, but is not the case around the world, especially back then)
The church in Byzantia was using Greek language but that doesn't mean the empire was Greek, or that all of the people become Greeks
AlexanderVii stop your nonsense, this song is a local song native to the Florina area, people in Pirin and Kumanovo have no idea about it. This song originates from Albania, a place called Berat, thats why another name for it is Beratce.
Are you trying to talk about the - Berance, female dance Berance?
It originates from Kastoria region.
Bere - to gather, to pick
Berance - a person that gathers the harvest.
People of Kumanovo or Pirin do have idea about it, because we are the same. except that many native Macedonians were killed or expelled by your 'glorious' army and paramilitary forces in the begining of the XX century.
There are few people left there who can tell you not to talk rubbish. It's Berance not Beratce. Berat???
Here you can see the costumes, and you can hear them singing about gathering harvest, but you don't understand. Than get some of those grkomani they will confirm it to you. It's berenje - gathering, picking.
Berance - harvester, gatherer in diminutive - small harvester.
You don't have problems to call us Macedonians when you steal our folklore.
About Albanians they are officially 25%. They are not war refugees (if you mean after Kosovo events in 1999) but mostly settlers during last 30 years from Kosovo (especially after the terrible earthquake in 1963 when Skopje was destroyed).
The real number is smaller but it had to be stated like that because of the events in 2001. (Plus many of them have 2 passports - Macedonian and Serbian (now Kosovar)) and they are counted twice on the censuses.
One thing is your opinion about our name, the other thing is our declaration and feeling. We didn't become Macedonia or Macedonians in 1991 like you think or you are told.
We are not Slavs! Or if you like, we are Slavs as much as you are (except the Pontians). Because the Slavs settled all the way to the Peloponnese.
Our name is a result of natural process of creation of a nation. And yes we are the same people that live in all parts of Macedonia (except Pontian prosfiges).
Bulgaria theme was created by Byzantium, and it had nothing in common with the inhabitants in it. As well as theme Macedonia, which was mostly in modern Bulgaria.
The real Bulgarian Khahanate was to the east. real Macedonia was to the west.
As you confirm in your comment Macedonia was under different rulers and different themes were created, but the population didn't become Bulgarian or Monastirian just because the 'themes' were called like that.
Slavs took the folklore and the costumes from the Macedonians? How could they do that?
Is that why the costumes of those that you call Slavs are the same all over Macedonia (Aegean, Pirin, Vardar...)?
What happened to the Macedonians when the Slavs arrived (if somebody ever arrived)? They were killed, eaten...?
No Greeks existed in Xlerinon area before the arrival of Pontians in 1922. And all these costumes, folklore... are Macedonian, but not Greek. Especially in the Lerin area.
dyracium in albanian language is durres and saranda is in albanian language.maybe south epirus doesnt have all albanian peoples but europe have the facts that in sputh epirus or cameria had albanian 5 % macedonian and 3 percent greek.check europian files or england files about albanian poeples.and + the name bitola in albanian is manastir ohri prilep is albanian language.we never forget skopje skupi in albanian language 80 years a go has 90 percent albanian
what the hell are you talking about.did you see the music is the same like albanians.how is posible to be macedonian teritory?.there is south epir(cameria)albanian land.+ the name florina is albanian(in macedonian-zllato)..southern epir is albanian- of preveza to florina.
Greeks are not Indo Europeans, they are African Semities. Greek alphabet and language is from Africa, originally from Egypt and Africa.
See, the origine of the Acheans...
"We have gone a step aside from this, and claimed that the first sixteen letters of the Greek alphabet, from alpha A to pi II, originated in Africa, as a part of the sacerdotal alphabet, the Greeks adding eight more from ro to omega, etc"
The Satem languages include Indo-Iranian, Armenian, Balto-Slavic, and perhaps also a number of barely documented extinct languages, such as Thracian and Dacian.
The Centum group includes Italic, Celtic, Germanic, Greek and possibly a number of minor and little known extinct groups (such as Ancient Macedonian, Venetic and probably the Illyrian languages).
Ancient Macedonian, Venetic and probably the Illyrian languages, not clasified as Greek but as Venetic, or Slovenetic - Vedic Sanskrit!
It wasn't Greek, they didn't existed in that time, but it was Byzantine, a multicultural empire - which was in basis Christan culture expressed on Greek language, because of the Holy Testament which was written on koine Greek as a common international language!
Inside of that Byzantine Empire, the most dominant were Romans and Slavs, as Macedonia was mostly Slavic until the Balkan Wars in 20th c, when was divided on three parts and those Slavs hellenized. These costumes speaks for themselves!
Yes in partial you are right, the Bulgars were assimilated by the Antes in the North-East Bulgaria, they never reached Macedonia.
On the other hand ancient Macedonians were assimilated by the Slavs in Macedonia, so only truly Macedonian today can be traced in the face of the Slavs, hence when we talk about Medival Macedonia we are talking about Slavic Macedonia.
Slavs never broke the chain of Macedonians, so they call them selves truly and only Macedonians by ethnicity!
But we have one huge problem with your statements - those Slavs in Florina and wider in North Greece if you ask, they call themselves a Macedonians, not Bulgarians (I wonder if you ever understand who the real Bulgars were, not Slavs in slightly chance, but rather Turks like you).
As Macedonians were the same stock as Thracians, not Bulgarians.
But I am glad you agree with me everything in this video is Macedonian - I can even dance on that music:)
Have u ever been in northern Greece and asked anyone of us what we call ourselves? Who told u there are slavs in Florina? I think your claims are based only on the propaganda of Skopje.
Thank you for the beautiful pictures and great music. I love being a Greek Macedonian. Why does everyone have to mix the politics...what ever ethnic backgrounds got us here..we are unique
I hope the quotes below clears for you where i came from when i don't agree with greekness of ancient macedonia,
since for that to be true, slavic people REALLY need to be newcomers, and nothing in archeology or ethnology confirms that. the theory about the coming of the slavs in 6th c. is created only 100 or so years ago for political purposes, not out of pure science.
the quotes below show that there are still some 'scholars' who think they can come out to historical or even ethnological conclusions using language data only. these 'scholars' are really many decades back or they tend to publish their papers only in order to please their target group..
the russians themselves don't think that slavs moved south from their territory,
pretty much all eastern european countries question the coming of the slvs in the 6th. c.
thats not based on language but on anthropology
and archeology.
they are finding slavic texts that predate the 6th c. by hundreds of years.
there are a lot of texts like that but the historians tended to overlook them and not apply slavic languages to them, because everybody thought slavs came later.
You misunderstand something very important.We surely can apply slavic languages to some texts.But this is not a proof that these texts are slavic.Ventrice applied the morse code on the texts of Gr.B in Crete and he managed to decodify the texts in this scripture.But Cretan texts have not been written in morse code of cousre.Slavic languages is simply a tool which they try to decodify some new found texts.
what I meant was that the texts found in the balkans predating 6th. c. were assumed not to be slavic. with the deciphering of the middle text of the rosetta, same way of reading gives
a proto slavic language. this is a case on texts
in macedonia, like kokino which is some 4000 years old as well as texts found in Serbia which were read with Tentov's method in Russia.
it really is about the language that determines the ethnicity, not about the letters. it appears that slavs used several scripts
The Slavs have (together with the Greeks and other Balkan peoples developed agriculture agriculturally mixed economy, typically European, which later enabled the birth of the Greek, Etruscan, and Latin urbanism. Germanic peoples adopted agriculture from the Slavs The Balkans is one of the rare regions in which a real and true settlement of human groups coming from Anatolia is proven].
'The Slavs have (together with the Greeks and other Balkan peoples developed agriculture agriculturally mixed economy, typically European, which later enabled the birth of the Greek, Etruscan, and Latin urbanism'??????
There is no mention of the Slavs by the time Greek and Latin urban centers developed.
The surmised Slavic migration is full of inconsistencies. There is no northern Slavic language, it is rather only a variant of the southern Slavic The first metallurgic cultures in the Balkans are Slavic and connected with Anatolia Slavic presence in the territory, nearly identical to the one occupied by them today, exists ever since the Stone Age
there is no evidence that the first metallurgic cultures in the Balkans are Slavic and connected with Anatolia Slavic presence in the territory. Historically, these are lies.
Today only a minority of experts support the theory of a late migration for the Slavs because none of the variant versions of such late settlement answers the question of what crucial factor could possibly have enabled the Slavs to have left their Bronze-Age firesides to become the dominant peoples of Europe. The southwestern portion of the Slavs had always bordered on the Italic people in Dalmatia, as well as in the areas of the eastern Alps and in the Po lowlands.
The answer is quite easy. The old land of the slavs, that is Slovakia-Galikia, used to be full of forests and bogs.Therefore the slavs moved south in order to find better places to cultivate (as landsmen and peasants they used to be).And when slavs became the dominant peoples of Europe? this is an overstatement.
"I have to commence by clearing away one of the most absurd consequences of the traditional chronology, namely, that of the arrival of the Slavs into the immense area in which they now live. The only logical conclusion can be that the southern branch of the Slavs is the oldest and that from it developed the Slavic western and eastern branches in a differing manner and perhaps at different times.
The same fault once again... There are evidence for the linguistic influence of the southern slavic to the other two slavic branches.Right.But there is no evidence, archeological nor historical, that the south slavic population were expanded to the north.We also have to mention that since south slavic is an older variant, this is not a proof the other branches developed from it.This argumentation is full of gaps.
Source: Origini delle lingue d?Europa, Vol. I: La teoria d
Here are some excerpts of Dr. Mario Alineis study concerning the Slavic populations in the Balkans. It is congruent with Dr.Florin Curtas conclusions about the invention of the arrival of the Slavs in the Balkans.
Alinei comes out to historical conclusions only by linguistic data.This tactics is wrong.following that we could say that Turks are indigenous of the Asia Minor, which is false.If the slavs are indigenous, then how the Russian, Ukrainian, Polish etc arrived to their countries, since no such a movement took place?
has a lot of meaning as (the land of the mother goddess)
by the way I didn't say that atina is our goddess, just that our languages were influencing each other for a long time, longer than the proposed 6th. c. thats all.
Macedonians did not worship the same Gods as the Greeks either. The fact that many Gods were found worshiped by both peoples can be attributed to the Greek desire to find Greek equivalent God with other people's deities. Pan, Poseidon, Asiris, Hera, Hestia, Themis, Dioscuri have no Greek origin and are not "Greek" Gods, but they all have a Greek equivalent. Besides, aren't all Greek Gods in fact Egyptian Gods? Didn't Herodotus state that?
what about the Persian names? Greeks have Greek etymology for all Persian names that we find in the literature. For example: Darius, the Persian king, means "worker" (erxies) Xerxes, another Persian king, means "warrior" (areios), Habrocomes, which means soft in Greek (habro) Harmarnithres, which means "chariot" in Greek (harma) Harpagus, which means "plunderer" in Greek (harpage) and so on.]
If we were to assume that some of the Macedonian names have Greek meanings and thereby must be considered Greek names, then, we must look elsewhere for comparable evidence in order to make a conclusive decision about it. Since Philip and Alexander have Greek etymology, we are willing to "give them" to the Greeks, after all "Philipos" lover of horses, and "Alexander" the protector of men, have Greek meanings. But, then again, we ask: what about the Persian names?
the royalty of macedonians was "hellenized' over a period of time, and used greek names.
that is no proof that the very people were greek.
how else can you explain that the "greek" dialect the macedonians wrote on things was a bad Athenian dialect? because it was thought to them by athenian teachers!
if they were true greeks, macedonians would have had their own greek dialect like the other hellenes,
spartans, athenians they all had their own greek dialect!
no slavic language was the main language in thessaloniki/solun back in the bryzatine days... Macedonians would never call themselves Illyrians... Greeks can call them selves Turkish if thats the case, Macedonians were never a part of Hellas, but many did learn the hellenian language
the languages are formed over thousands of years since bronze age, actually, not by a script.
the macedonian was easy for the other slavs to understand, even then, because it was their root language.
today, a polish person can understand macedonian, but not ukrainian for example. same for an ukrainian, they will understand macedonian but not polish.
the languages are formed over thousands of years since bronze age, actually, not by a script.
the macedonian was easy for the other slavs to understand, even then, because it was their root language.
today, a polish person can understand macedonian, but not ukrainian for example. same for an ukrainian, they will understand macedonian but not polish.
the Cyrillic Language.. what u call Slavs.. came from anceint macedonia and spread north... it didnt come from russia..even russia said that they got their language from macedonia
Macedonia was divided then.The people in Solun were ethnic macedonians, thats where St. Cyril and his brother came from, used their language for the translation of the bible, which became "the church slavonic"
the languages are much, much older than that though.
as a matter of fact the languages are formed over thousands of years and predate the 6th c.
thats how we know the slavs didn't come from Russia
or else the russian would be the root language of the slavic languages
you are confusing the picture as middle age kingdoms were not ethnic or national. the Byzantine kingdoms were not purely greek either.
and no the people in macedonia were not called bulgarians at the time of Samuil, there is simply no record of such thing.
As I said earlier Samuil was not bulgarian he had armenian roots.
the high slavonic is the language used by macedonians in Solun which is the oldest & root language of all slavic languages proving slavs didn't came from north
If anceint macedonia didnt have slavic roots.. ok what about A.D .. how come every country which is ORTHODOX is SLAVIC..only greece isnt..because northern greece is MACEDONIA(slavic) and not hellas
Just one thing, in your info section, the slavic 'lerin' is not a mispelling of the Greek Chlerinon, Lerin comes from Chlerinon with loss of the initial H(or X) in the local dialect. So Ch(lerin)on=Lerin , Horo=Oro, Hristo=Risto etc etc.
Tzar Samuil was of armenian origin (his parents), a group who were transfered to Macedonia by the byzantine emperor Vasilij to fight against Bulgaria. These people later went on the side of Bulgaria against Byzantium,
however the wast majority of the solders of Samuil were macedonians as well as serbians, slovenians etc. their official language was slovenian.
regardless of the political games by Samuil, the people in Macedonia didn't consider themselves bulgarian.
more more grkoman..pa kaj najde ti kostumi od lerin da gi prikazuvas kako grcki?ako sakas grcki pobaraj vo etiopia.ako sakas makedonski gledaj i molci.
Tzar Samuil was macedonian and thats the reason the greek king at the time fought him with hate, cause they hated macedonians even back then. his army was blinded by the greeks at mountain Belasica leaving one eye to every hundred soulder. when Samuil saw that he died of a heart attack.
after conquering bulgaria he declared himself a king of all bulgarians as well which bulgarians use till today to claim him lol
but then queen Elizabeth would be indian because she was queen of all India lol
well bulgarians are of tartar not of slavic origin,
and after coming in the balkan in the 9th century were slavinized and started to speak our language trough accepting our church slavonic. the macedonian language is the most advanced slavic language because we don't use declinations, where the bulgarians and serbians do
there are other gramatical differences as well.
so knowing all this how could our language be bulgarian, when they learned it from us?
actually the mother of slavic languages is macedonian!
all slavic linguists know that, and how they know it?
there are 3 groups of slavic languages: southern with the macedonian being the most south, western with polish, slovak and eastern with russian, ukrainian...
the eastern and western correspond linguistically and grammatically to macedonian, BUT not to each other!
this also shows that the movement of the slavs happened
south to north, and not opposite like in the "coming of the slavs" 6 c.
Hmmm, but the question remains wheter the slavs came at all since no archeological proof exist about that, or wheter the whole thing was made up by the imperial powers in the 19th century in order to control the balkans.
even if the slavs came in the 6th c. what happened to the macedonians? did they vanish?
how is it possible that we are finding slavic texts all over balkans predating 6th . c. ???
Please stop bothering with this idiot person.Dont you see that what ever TRUE evidence you tell him he still believes he is makedonas.Let him believe what ever he wants.He is from mars maybe or afrodite.
All statistics, except the Greek ones, are also in general agreement that these Macedonians represented the largest single group on the territory of Aegean Macedonia before 1913. The figures range from 329,371 or 45.3 per cent to 382,084 or 68.9 per cent of the non-Turkish population
this is just one non balkan report, do you want more?
the main text on the rosetta is the middle text which addresses the "Masters Of The Living Masters" which at the time were the macedonian dinasty from Pelagonia Valley
it is this text that calls the greeks "The Denai" while pointing to the greek text and is addressing greeks living in Egypt!
the text is called :A Monument Of Pre Cyrillic Slavic Literacy" by the russian academy!
only 10% of the people in the aegean macedonia were greek before 1912,
it was given to you by england and france to control russia, not because it was yours.
the communist only saw the injustice and promised the macedonians autonomy, and thats the reason macedonians
joined the resistance and helped liberate greece. even tough they wanted to be under our own macedonian comand, Tito forced them to be under the greek communist command. after the war they didn't get their rights, they got napalmed!
It's somewhat of a paradox of your mother language to be Slavic (Bulgarian for example - as you can see from my profile i am not fed with the propagandha comming from my land), and you to consider yourself Greek with strong sentiment. The Greek culture should be somewhat alienic to the one brought into Slavic family. Please feel to correct me if i am wrong.
Nice dance btw, this is something we consider etno music from our Land.
platamonas, and i have travelled in Greek Macedonia too, and met Slavs who have said to me exactly the opposite - that they need to hide beneath the Greek nationalism, in order not to be prosecuted, jailed for being Slavic etc etc.
Yanitsaros, healthy and real point of view you have there, i applaud you for that. But let me ask you what do you mean on Slavic Greeks? If you allow for that term to be used it makes somewhat confusion about the Greek nation (we all know about the strong anti-slav sentiment in Greece, and many statesmen saying that they should kill all slavs in Macedonia - during the Greek Civil War).I agree on the fact about the areas where Slavs settled.
if that makes you feel less guilty about the ethnic cleansing, to think that slavs were a small percentage and not majority...
the independent reports done by german and other european non balkan historians at the time say that slavs, as you like to call us, were the absolute majority. greeks were 10% and only in the aegean macedonia, which makes them even less in all of macedonia circa 1912!
But today macedonians are macedonians, thracians renamed them selves as bulgarians, because of the bulgarian tribe that came from Asia, although that tribe wasn't as numerous as thracians.
Ancient macedonians and thracians were similar tribes until I milenium bc. After that, they exist as diferent people. Macedonians weren't part of ancient greek people.
FYROM`s people are Bulgarian, but Bulgarian piople are not slavs => FYROM`s people are not slavs.Komunist people said that:Bulgarian people are slavs ,becouse speake same languages.Slavs are Poland,Syrbia,Hrvatska,Slovakia,Slovenia,Czesh Republic
This theory is very vary greek, not objective! So why the macedonians there still remember their slavic language? Or slavic languages are dialects of greek? wow, it is great discovery;)
Na zisei h Makedonia mas. Na zisei h Ellada mas. Mpravo patriwti.
Da zivee Makedonia! Da zivee Ellada.
kolobaras 8 months ago
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Even Gotse Deltchev,the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader,whose nome de guerre was Ahil (Achilles) "refers to the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).In his correspondence Gotse Deltchev often states simple and clearly,"We are Bulgarians" (Mac Dermott 1978:192,273).
trisnna9801 1 year ago
this is PATHETIC.........
Wiligot 1 year ago
@Yanitsaros Authentic Macedonian music is played on the gajda, zurla, kaval, tapan, tambura and Kemene. Though also played in Calgija ensembles, clarinet, violin, ud, kanon, tarabuka, and djumbus. in Aegean Macedonia it is played by the clarinet, and brass music. You know who made brass bands popular? the gypsies.
gajda1984 1 year ago
@Yanitsaros Dude you know nothing of true Macedonian culture. you know it to an extent but you are filled with greek propaganda. This dance is called Pusteno. The greek propaganda name is "leventikos" and "poustsenos" or along those lines. "poustsenos" is derived from the Macedonian language and it means "to let go". The music of vardar Macedonia is not like Bulgarian at all. don't be ignorant. It all varies from region to region.
gajda1984 1 year ago
@Yanitsaros
Are you suggesting this "gentleman's dance" you wholeheartedly claim as yours has a Bulgarian influence?
ALeKsDGr8 1 year ago
Are you suggesting this music has a Bulgarian influence?
ALeKsDGr8 1 year ago
compare the song : sons of Pirea and the song pajdusko....it doesnt take a scientist to get the difference
dimit0 1 year ago
I know you understood what I wrote bottom line :)
I dont give a shite named macedonian....because im what I am....you are the ones calling desperately for it....most of today's greek macedonians are in fact turkish christians...does they have the right to call themself macedonians ?????
what about vlachos ??? is that a dopia too ??
vardar....you know where vardar is ??? as it is in todays republic of macedonia, it as well flows through todays
dimit0 1 year ago
lol.....fake brothers....you are all lost souls...may god help you go through that...
Para poli kala......lol
a true musician, ethnologist and linguist would notice the difference between greece and macedonia....
you just see how different you are from greeks ????
Efharisto pusi mi kurot....
znam deka razbiras makedonski, i ne se prai drugo peder ni eden.....odi i gubi se
dimit0 2 years ago
Φλώρινα ο τόπος της ομορφιάς
kparlapani 2 years ago 3
FLORINA FOR EVER HELLENIC
ANTONIS1986LOK 2 years ago 6
FLORINA FOR EVER HELLENIC
ANTONIS1986LOK 2 years ago
Παρα πολύ καλό. Μπράβο σου
Florinamak 2 years ago
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Macedonian customs do not have so much black. These are Greek fakes just like so much of Greek policy. Wake up, the most agricultural productive area is Macedonia inhabited by what else but Slavs. Stop the cultural genocide. Greece did not come into existence until 1830s. Macedonia was even mentioned in the Bible. There is no mention of Greeks in the Bible because they did not exist.. Go back to Ethiopia
billboy2000 2 years ago
stop cultural genocide in Macedonia! Slavs can't pronounce toponyms like Chlerinon, Pella, Thessaloniki and pretend their slavic mispronounciation of Greek names are the true Macedonian names! Put an end to Slavic greed for land!
ArvaniteLegacy 2 years ago
i think you HAVENT read the bible , go read the bible then make comments
hoggg11 2 years ago
@billboy2000 You really need to read the Old Testament, Im sure there is some greeks there. Btw do you know were philistines come from or Goliat?
Arhs77 4 months ago
μπραβο καλλη δουλεια
dimvaggelis 2 years ago 5
Here we can see what Greek dances are like opposed to Macedonian ones:
watch?v=jHarIICdNWw
igorbog88 2 years ago
True Macedonians cannot be Ethiopians and gypsie immigrants from Africa who call themselves "greek" (whatever the hell that is)
I looked up so called "Greek history"....I think it must have been written by Hitler.
igorbog88 2 years ago
Ok, thank you Yanitsaros, my greek brother.
RasoNSByzantine 2 years ago
This are Slav Macedonian costumes!
RasoNSByzantine 2 years ago
The city was AGAIN never called "Thesaloniki" ;)
All your comments are absolutely ridiculous.
igorbog88 2 years ago
I repeat that it was never "Thesaloniki", Ethiopian.
Also the music that is playing in the background is Macedonian, or as dirty thieves like you like to call it "slavic".
igorbog88 2 years ago
It was never "Thesaloniki"
igorbog88 2 years ago
BEAUTIFUL!!! love the many, many traditional macedonian folk costumes and adore the music - the beloved "Leventikos/Poustcheno folk dance from Greek Macedonia ! Bravo Yianitsaros!
goldis21 2 years ago
This are Slav Macedonian costumes!
RasoNSByzantine 2 years ago
No.. ..only "Macedonian costumes ".
No other TYPE of Macedonan exists.
igorbog88 2 years ago
The answer about Skopje issue is downwards.
About the Slavs, I have read some of the Byzantium sources, and they don't talk about invasions. Rebellions, attacks... etc, etc but no invasions.
Herodotos doesn't mention Slavs to the north also...
When modern Bulgarians find Thracian inscriptions with Greek letters that they can understand on the basis of their modern language get really confused.
The first name of Thessalonike was Therme, Krenides was renamed to Fillipi... The names are changing
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
You are wrong about most historians thing. Maybe in Greece, but that's another thing.
Modern British people don't use the Celtic language that the old Britons used, but nobody tries to dispute their right to be British. That can be done on the Balkan only - Greece and Bulgaria.
Don't forget that these Slav people lived in Greece all the way to Peloponnese: Velegeziti, Ezeriti, Milingi, Rinhini, Voiuniti...
We just don't deny them like you do. We accept all elements.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
How can Drama be in Macedonia? It should be Thrace according to your logic.
Modern Macedonia as we know it defers from the ancient Macedonia, because Macedonian borders changed in time.
At first it used to be small area north of Olympus, after it was all the way to India.
But modern Macedonia region and Macedonian people are a mixture of all historical elements afterward.
Plus there are ancient sources that confirm that Scardos mountain was northern border of MK. Like it is today :)
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
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The names of the places are changed over time. For example you use Vergina for Aigai. What is that Vergina?
There was no Ptolemaida in ancient times. Or what is that Kilkis?
By changing some of the names to their ancient Macedonian version doesn't give you right to proclaim yourself as owners of the history. Plus the names were changed in 1923.
Anyway I like them like this.
Except the new names like Kilkis etc etc.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
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Sure it's part of Macedonia.
Check your comment again, it's so biased.
About Ottoman vilaets I wouldn't discuss. They were occupiers and their administrative districts have no meaning any more.
If you go back to VI or VII cent. BC Macedonia is only a small area north of Olympus.
Modern Macedonia is much larger area and ancient history is only small part of the heritage of modern Macedonia.
Today the city of Skopje is in Macedonia for sure.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
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Sorry, but you are the only one that agrees on the term Macedonian Slav. Nobody else. And that's your opinion.
The point is that Macedonians exist whether you like it or not, whether you ignore the fact or not. You ignore the reality and that is your problem. I can give you many proofs that will prove that modern Hellenic people have nothing in common with the ancient. But I respect your will to feel as you do. You should do the same.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
The quote was to show you that you have become Hellenes not so long ago. And a proof of Macedonian existence back then. So we didn't become Macedonians 10 years ago like you want it to be. And therefore we can be nothing else except Macedonians. We have at least right to be Macedonians as much as you have right to be Hellenes.
You version of history doesn't favours me.
You want your version to be accepted by the rest of the people.
Mission impossible.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago 2
If you noticed well, the guy said he is Macedonian and Greek and that he speaks Macedonian and Greek.
Are you saying he has right to call himself Macedonian and I don't.
Or you missed to tell him that he is only a Slav and has no right to be called Macedonian?
Which is it? Mr history expert?
Is he connected with ancient Macedonians or not?
AlexandarVII 2 years ago 3
hey yanitsaros...why are their comments so hostile. You post the most beautiful videos and such great info, yet all they do is swear and curse.
vicnababa 2 years ago
Be kind to check my comments and see if I swear or curse, although somebody is trying to tell me what should I be, or I should not.
And wouldn't you do it if somebody tells you that you are no Macedonian nor Greek.
How about I say you are just a Bulgarian nothing else, or to be more extreme I will call you Skopjan?
I told yanitsaros that I like the videos although I don't agree with him.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago 2
There is nothing true in your view. But it's yours. You can keep it.
I will give you one quote to prove you are wrong:
The Greeks don't have their national name, they call themselves as Romaioi (Romans), but we know them from the history as Egypsy (Egyptians) not Europeans, the Turks call them Kara kacanlar...
Georgia Pulevski (1817 - 1893), Macedonian educator and revolutionary.
(he considered Macedonians of that time as descendants of the ancient Macedonians)
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
Ok, you have your opinion I have mine.
Enough of this discussion. Anyway it leads nowhere.
The point is that you will have to accept the reality. We don't have to agree on the history issue. We shouldn't live in the past. It's the reality that we should accept and the future with that.
You can't change what can not be changed. We are Macedonians.
You can accept the fact or not. The rest of the world accepted it long time ago.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago 3
Great video..
I am from this area. Yes our region is Macedonian but we are Greek Macedonians. In fact, we speak both Greek and Macedonian, however, the Macedonian we speak is quite different from those who call themselves Macedonians. If I listen to a Macedonian song or program, I can catch a few words, but thats all..same if I were listening to Russian, Serbian, any slav language
vicnababa 2 years ago
The British people today use Germanic language, are they Germans? The old Britons used Celtic language. Are they Germans. Are you the ones that will tell them what should they be?
It's not NOW that we claim that we are Macedonians. We are Macedonians much before you become Hellenes (you used to be Romaioi, Slavs, Vlahs, Albanians, Karamans...) You want to present things like they suite you.
You can call us as you like. How do we feel or how the world call us, that's another thing.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
When Slavs came in Macedonia what happened to the ancient Macedonians (now you can tell me that they were Greeks etc etc). They were eaten by the Slavs?
We didn't started to claim Macedonian ethnicity a few years ago. Don't forget that. We don't claim anything. We are Macedonians simple as that.
You can call us (the Macedonians in the R. of Macedonia and in Greece as Bulgarians or any other term, but that's your choice... go on)
The real invaders are those that came from Asia Minor.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
ΠΟΛΥ ΚΑΛΟ!!!!!
LYNGISTAIOS 2 years ago
So, what counts for Greece should not count for Macedonia?
In my country there are no people of different origin that consider as Macedonians, but there is one group of people that consider itself as Macedonians.
In Greece there are people that don't feel as Greeks by ethnicity. And they are repressed because of that.
In my country other people that don't feel as Macedonian by ethnicity have right to feel as they wish.
Your ideology is Greece.
Our is Macedonia.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
Spanish and French people use Latin languages. Are they Latin (or Italian if you like) people.
All countries from South America except Brazil use Spanish language. Are they Spanish?
So there are many examples in the world. You can call the bad if you like. But that's your opinion.
I can tell you a different example too.
Modern Egyptians don't use the ancient Egyptian language. Should they stop being Egyptians because you might want it?
Your opinion about our ethnicity is just... yours.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
Hindu people are not ethnicity.
Buddhism is not ethnicity.
Protestants are not ethnicity.
Jews are unique case in the world.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
If we belong to Slavic linguistic group that doesn't mean we are Slavs. And we are not Slavs.
Canadians, Americans, Australians, Irish... belong to English (germanic language) linguistic group. But they are not Germans.
We may discuss about our ethnicity as well as yours. It's civilized to discuss. But our ethnicity is not subject to change.
You can except the reality or not. But that is your problem. We are Macedonians.
You can cause problems to us too, but it will end eventually.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
Eastern Roman Empire didn't supported no Greek Orthodoxy. It created the Christianity, and developed the Orthodox version. Orthodox Christianity has no ethnicity. It's religion. Religions don't have ethnicity. Except maybe in your country.
Catholicism uses Latin language and that doesn't mean that all Catholics are Latins like you want to present it.
About Yugoslavia... that's another question and you are wrong in your conclusion. But I wouldn't talk about that too.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
We use the name Macedonia as the name of the state since 1945. But somebody started to make problems 40 years after our state was created. And a few years after the creation of a new provinces in northern Greece, that have the name Macedonia in it.
Look at yourself, you decide what is our ethnicity. Is there anybody else that can define your ethnicity?
There is no term like South Slav Bulgarian.
The history says the Slavs settled all the way to Peloponnese. And gave the name to it - Morea.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
It is not us who try do forbid to others to use the name. But vice versa.
We have no problem if somebody else is calling oneself a Macedonian. You are making problem to others.
If there is no issue about history, why such hysteria about the symbol, monuments...
We didn't raised no issues. Your Government did.
Macedonians existed before the Slavs came. But afterward they mixed, and our people were created.
Modern Greeks can't tell either without consulting ancient historians.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
I am familiar with the beginnings of the new Greek state, and what were the foundations. The way that it was created has nothing in common with the culture of ancient Greek polises.
My point upward was that not only the modern Greeks are heirs to the Byzantine legacy but all of us that live in it's previous borders.
A state that is not founded as ethnic one raises ethnic issues in the XXI century.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
We all know what does Byzantium means. The point was that it was not the name of the empire back than. It was called Eastern Roman Empire and it's citizens were Romans. And felt like the Romans, although in time the religion and the language were changed. That is why Ottomans called the Balkan as Rumelia.
As we can all see the language and the religion changes in time. But the main cultural characteristics and the blood remains. They are the same all over Macedonia.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
Even if the Mk nationalism is not very ancient (which is not true, but that is another subject) it is mush older than the artificial one that was created in modern Greece in order to justify the territorial expansion and the ethnic cleansing of the new Greek state over Macedonia (as well as other territories).
The local Macedonian population is (although mixed) descending from the ancient Macedonian population. Proved by DNA and by the tradition, which is evidenced in the history.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
As an addition.
We don't tend to forbid anybody who wants to respect and praise Alexander, Filip... or others from the old Macedonians.
That is the difference between us. You think you can forbid others to celebrate or respect something. You think you can tell others how they should feel or what to do. It's madness.
Stop the madness.
We can respect, praise, study them together. this is XXI century not the XIX.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
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Slaveykov is not father of Mk nationalism, he was the biggest enemy of it, but at the same time his writings are very good proof for the existence of separate Macedonian identity during XIX century.
Pulevski was the father of it for sure, and he was collecting poems, stories, tales from the people. Many of those are about Alexander, Filip... (not about some tatars from Volga).
The people whose works were collected by Pulevski and many other were descendants of Alexander and Filip... it's us.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
Slaveykov is not father of Mk nationalism, he was the biggest enemy of it, but at the same time his writings are very good proof for the existence of separate Macedonian identity during XIX century.
Pulevski was the father of it for sure, and he was collecting poems, stories, tales from the people. Many of those are about Alexander, Filip... (not about some tatars from Volga).
The people whose works were collected by Pulevski and many other were descendants of Alexander and Filip... it's us.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
The term Byzantines didn't even existed. It's invented later, so they felt as Roman just as their forefathers before, the fact that the language and the religion changed that doesn't mean the empire was changed. And they had nothing in common with ancient Greek polises.
Don't twist my words. I wasn't talking about kingdoms. For the Romans (Byzantines) Bulgar = Slav, everywhere on the Balkan not just in Macedonia.
Also, Syrian orthodox is new term, it was part of the Byzantine church.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
By all historians you mean Greek and Bulgarian? I can give you many of them that consider him Macedonian, even sources from that time. Some of them mention a state called Slavonia (not Bulgaria).
No Greeks existed either, only Romans.
For the Byzantines (Romans), Slav = Bulgarian. Hence they even considered Serbs, Montenegrines, Bosnians... as Bulgarians, are they?
Many people in modern Syria, Jordan, Palestine... were orthodox during Byzantine time. According to you they should be Greeks.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
There are is abundance of proofs of Macedonian national identity before 1880. It doesn't matter how Byzantines (to be precise - Romans) or Ottomans referred to Slav, it is important how those people felt (or feel).
If Alexander, Filip... are Greek names than so is Europe, Christ... you are the only people in the world that give ethnicity to the names.
The Greeks in Cappadocia preserved their identity (although they had Turkish names, and spoke Turkish) but Macedonian didn't. Hmmm
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
Our name is indicating our ethnicity, ideology and history. The name was chosen much before and it can't be changed, just like you can't change yours.
We have relation with ancient Macedonians because we live on the same territory, and part of our blood is their blood. The people from Pontos have no connection. But we do.
What is Slavic in these names: Alexander, Filip, Dimitria... What is Macedonian (or Greek) in these: Karaman(lis), Karadzafer(is)...
Slavs settled all the way to Peloponnese.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
There is no evidence of Samuil considering himself or his kingdom as Bulgaria or Bulgarian. In fact his first rebellion (uprising) was against Bulgarian king.
One can speak different languages but the language is not a measure of ethnicity. (Maybe today it is especially in some countries like Greece, but is not the case around the world, especially back then)
The church in Byzantia was using Greek language but that doesn't mean the empire was Greek, or that all of the people become Greeks
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
AlexanderVii stop your nonsense, this song is a local song native to the Florina area, people in Pirin and Kumanovo have no idea about it. This song originates from Albania, a place called Berat, thats why another name for it is Beratce.
Wake up
BzNzSBoomN 2 years ago
Are you trying to talk about the - Berance, female dance Berance?
It originates from Kastoria region.
Bere - to gather, to pick
Berance - a person that gathers the harvest.
People of Kumanovo or Pirin do have idea about it, because we are the same. except that many native Macedonians were killed or expelled by your 'glorious' army and paramilitary forces in the begining of the XX century.
There are few people left there who can tell you not to talk rubbish. It's Berance not Beratce. Berat???
AlexandarVII 2 years ago 3
Here you can see the costumes, and you can hear them singing about gathering harvest, but you don't understand. Than get some of those grkomani they will confirm it to you. It's berenje - gathering, picking.
Berance - harvester, gatherer in diminutive - small harvester.
You don't have problems to call us Macedonians when you steal our folklore.
The link:
watch?v = NaVD9sNN _ CU
Berat is albanian word, the dance is Macedonian.
So stop talking nonsense.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
About Albanians they are officially 25%. They are not war refugees (if you mean after Kosovo events in 1999) but mostly settlers during last 30 years from Kosovo (especially after the terrible earthquake in 1963 when Skopje was destroyed).
The real number is smaller but it had to be stated like that because of the events in 2001. (Plus many of them have 2 passports - Macedonian and Serbian (now Kosovar)) and they are counted twice on the censuses.
Enough about them. You have them too...
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
One thing is your opinion about our name, the other thing is our declaration and feeling. We didn't become Macedonia or Macedonians in 1991 like you think or you are told.
We are not Slavs! Or if you like, we are Slavs as much as you are (except the Pontians). Because the Slavs settled all the way to the Peloponnese.
Our name is a result of natural process of creation of a nation. And yes we are the same people that live in all parts of Macedonia (except Pontian prosfiges).
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
Bulgaria theme was created by Byzantium, and it had nothing in common with the inhabitants in it. As well as theme Macedonia, which was mostly in modern Bulgaria.
The real Bulgarian Khahanate was to the east. real Macedonia was to the west.
As you confirm in your comment Macedonia was under different rulers and different themes were created, but the population didn't become Bulgarian or Monastirian just because the 'themes' were called like that.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
My country has it's own name. It's Republic of Macedonia.
I can start calling your country with many ugly names too, but where would it leads...
And you are also wrong on the numbers of the Albanians.
They are majority in 3 cities in northwestern part, mostly as a result of influx from Kosovo during Ex Yugoslavia.
Maybe it's better that you erased my comment, I don't want to argue with the descendants of the bashibozuks.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
Slavs didn't have Bulgarian culture, you should know that.
Example: Russians, Serbs, Croatians, Uchrainians, Slovaks, Polish... they are part of the Slavic culture but they are not Bulgarians.
That attitude is showing you as ill informed person.
I agree that Slavs (if somebody came at all) were assimilated by the Macedonians, and the result is my people - Macedonians.
We have the same costumes and folklore in all parts of Macedonia. I am sure you know that.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
What a smart conclusion.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
Slavs took the folklore and the costumes from the Macedonians? How could they do that?
Is that why the costumes of those that you call Slavs are the same all over Macedonia (Aegean, Pirin, Vardar...)?
What happened to the Macedonians when the Slavs arrived (if somebody ever arrived)? They were killed, eaten...?
No Greeks existed in Xlerinon area before the arrival of Pontians in 1922. And all these costumes, folklore... are Macedonian, but not Greek. Especially in the Lerin area.
AlexandarVII 2 years ago
dyracium in albanian language is durres and saranda is in albanian language.maybe south epirus doesnt have all albanian peoples but europe have the facts that in sputh epirus or cameria had albanian 5 % macedonian and 3 percent greek.check europian files or england files about albanian poeples.and + the name bitola in albanian is manastir ohri prilep is albanian language.we never forget skopje skupi in albanian language 80 years a go has 90 percent albanian
bosi1234567 2 years ago
all these are macedonian. greeks has just stolen this from us.ahh its enoing that greece cant get their own stuff just stealing from others!!
mitroov 2 years ago
what the hell are you talking about.did you see the music is the same like albanians.how is posible to be macedonian teritory?.there is south epir(cameria)albanian land.+ the name florina is albanian(in macedonian-zllato)..southern epir is albanian- of preveza to florina.
bosi1234567 2 years ago
Greeks are not Indo Europeans, they are African Semities. Greek alphabet and language is from Africa, originally from Egypt and Africa.
See, the origine of the Acheans...
"We have gone a step aside from this, and claimed that the first sixteen letters of the Greek alphabet, from alpha A to pi II, originated in Africa, as a part of the sacerdotal alphabet, the Greeks adding eight more from ro to omega, etc"
TomatoRedHot 3 years ago
The Satem languages include Indo-Iranian, Armenian, Balto-Slavic, and perhaps also a number of barely documented extinct languages, such as Thracian and Dacian.
The Centum group includes Italic, Celtic, Germanic, Greek and possibly a number of minor and little known extinct groups (such as Ancient Macedonian, Venetic and probably the Illyrian languages).
Ancient Macedonian, Venetic and probably the Illyrian languages, not clasified as Greek but as Venetic, or Slovenetic - Vedic Sanskrit!
TomatoRedHot 3 years ago
Doric were Indo-Europeans as well as Thracians and Illyrians. They were the same stock.
TomatoRedHot 3 years ago
It wasn't Greek, they didn't existed in that time, but it was Byzantine, a multicultural empire - which was in basis Christan culture expressed on Greek language, because of the Holy Testament which was written on koine Greek as a common international language!
Inside of that Byzantine Empire, the most dominant were Romans and Slavs, as Macedonia was mostly Slavic until the Balkan Wars in 20th c, when was divided on three parts and those Slavs hellenized. These costumes speaks for themselves!
TomatoRedHot 3 years ago
Macedonians were the same stock as Thracians, as they are today!
TomatoRedHot 3 years ago
Yes in partial you are right, the Bulgars were assimilated by the Antes in the North-East Bulgaria, they never reached Macedonia.
On the other hand ancient Macedonians were assimilated by the Slavs in Macedonia, so only truly Macedonian today can be traced in the face of the Slavs, hence when we talk about Medival Macedonia we are talking about Slavic Macedonia.
Slavs never broke the chain of Macedonians, so they call them selves truly and only Macedonians by ethnicity!
TomatoRedHot 3 years ago
But we have one huge problem with your statements - those Slavs in Florina and wider in North Greece if you ask, they call themselves a Macedonians, not Bulgarians (I wonder if you ever understand who the real Bulgars were, not Slavs in slightly chance, but rather Turks like you).
As Macedonians were the same stock as Thracians, not Bulgarians.
But I am glad you agree with me everything in this video is Macedonian - I can even dance on that music:)
TomatoRedHot 3 years ago
Have u ever been in northern Greece and asked anyone of us what we call ourselves? Who told u there are slavs in Florina? I think your claims are based only on the propaganda of Skopje.
Grkoman 3 years ago
And did you ever wondered what represents RED on that costumes? :))
Where is that BLUE at 00:01?!:))
And still you question the origin of the real Macedonians?:))
Everything on this video is pure Macedonian!!
TomatoRedHot 3 years ago
hahah - bulgarian music and bulgarian folklore:))) hahaha - malakas, with your own stone right in the middle of your head!:))
TomatoRedHot 3 years ago
macedoninan music and macedonian costumes
mitroov 3 years ago
Thank you for the beautiful pictures and great music. I love being a Greek Macedonian. Why does everyone have to mix the politics...what ever ethnic backgrounds got us here..we are unique
vicnababa 3 years ago 2
I hope the quotes below clears for you where i came from when i don't agree with greekness of ancient macedonia,
since for that to be true, slavic people REALLY need to be newcomers, and nothing in archeology or ethnology confirms that. the theory about the coming of the slavs in 6th c. is created only 100 or so years ago for political purposes, not out of pure science.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
the quotes below show that there are still some 'scholars' who think they can come out to historical or even ethnological conclusions using language data only. these 'scholars' are really many decades back or they tend to publish their papers only in order to please their target group..
Hirohito3 3 years ago
the russians themselves don't think that slavs moved south from their territory,
pretty much all eastern european countries question the coming of the slvs in the 6th. c.
thats not based on language but on anthropology
and archeology.
they are finding slavic texts that predate the 6th c. by hundreds of years.
there are a lot of texts like that but the historians tended to overlook them and not apply slavic languages to them, because everybody thought slavs came later.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
You misunderstand something very important.We surely can apply slavic languages to some texts.But this is not a proof that these texts are slavic.Ventrice applied the morse code on the texts of Gr.B in Crete and he managed to decodify the texts in this scripture.But Cretan texts have not been written in morse code of cousre.Slavic languages is simply a tool which they try to decodify some new found texts.
Hirohito3 3 years ago
what I meant was that the texts found in the balkans predating 6th. c. were assumed not to be slavic. with the deciphering of the middle text of the rosetta, same way of reading gives
a proto slavic language. this is a case on texts
in macedonia, like kokino which is some 4000 years old as well as texts found in Serbia which were read with Tentov's method in Russia.
it really is about the language that determines the ethnicity, not about the letters. it appears that slavs used several scripts
mirwhitty 3 years ago
The Slavs have (together with the Greeks and other Balkan peoples developed agriculture agriculturally mixed economy, typically European, which later enabled the birth of the Greek, Etruscan, and Latin urbanism. Germanic peoples adopted agriculture from the Slavs The Balkans is one of the rare regions in which a real and true settlement of human groups coming from Anatolia is proven].
mirwhitty 3 years ago
'The Slavs have (together with the Greeks and other Balkan peoples developed agriculture agriculturally mixed economy, typically European, which later enabled the birth of the Greek, Etruscan, and Latin urbanism'??????
There is no mention of the Slavs by the time Greek and Latin urban centers developed.
Hirohito3 3 years ago
The surmised Slavic migration is full of inconsistencies. There is no northern Slavic language, it is rather only a variant of the southern Slavic The first metallurgic cultures in the Balkans are Slavic and connected with Anatolia Slavic presence in the territory, nearly identical to the one occupied by them today, exists ever since the Stone Age
mirwhitty 3 years ago
there is no evidence that the first metallurgic cultures in the Balkans are Slavic and connected with Anatolia Slavic presence in the territory. Historically, these are lies.
Hirohito3 3 years ago
Today only a minority of experts support the theory of a late migration for the Slavs because none of the variant versions of such late settlement answers the question of what crucial factor could possibly have enabled the Slavs to have left their Bronze-Age firesides to become the dominant peoples of Europe. The southwestern portion of the Slavs had always bordered on the Italic people in Dalmatia, as well as in the areas of the eastern Alps and in the Po lowlands.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
The answer is quite easy. The old land of the slavs, that is Slovakia-Galikia, used to be full of forests and bogs.Therefore the slavs moved south in order to find better places to cultivate (as landsmen and peasants they used to be).And when slavs became the dominant peoples of Europe? this is an overstatement.
Hirohito3 3 years ago
"I have to commence by clearing away one of the most absurd consequences of the traditional chronology, namely, that of the arrival of the Slavs into the immense area in which they now live. The only logical conclusion can be that the southern branch of the Slavs is the oldest and that from it developed the Slavic western and eastern branches in a differing manner and perhaps at different times.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
The same fault once again... There are evidence for the linguistic influence of the southern slavic to the other two slavic branches.Right.But there is no evidence, archeological nor historical, that the south slavic population were expanded to the north.We also have to mention that since south slavic is an older variant, this is not a proof the other branches developed from it.This argumentation is full of gaps.
Hirohito3 3 years ago
Slavs are indigenous in the Balkans
Author: Mario Alinei
Filed: 03/10/2003, 14:15:52
Source: Origini delle lingue d?Europa, Vol. I: La teoria d
Here are some excerpts of Dr. Mario Alineis study concerning the Slavic populations in the Balkans. It is congruent with Dr.Florin Curtas conclusions about the invention of the arrival of the Slavs in the Balkans.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Alinei comes out to historical conclusions only by linguistic data.This tactics is wrong.following that we could say that Turks are indigenous of the Asia Minor, which is false.If the slavs are indigenous, then how the Russian, Ukrainian, Polish etc arrived to their countries, since no such a movement took place?
Hirohito3 3 years ago
it's not me or macedonians saying that Homer is full of slavic words or that we are continuation of the ancient macedonians.
this is hard for greeks to hear, but the scientists claiming this things are not macedonians, but Italians, checks, swiss and others.
I will post some excerpts:
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Atina, hmm, the very word...
isn't the meaning of the goddess Atina a daughter pulled out the fathers head?
do you know the slavic word for father's?
here it is TATINA
thats how you get the name of (T) ATINA
I wonder if atina has any meaning in greek to connect it with the legend, ie. of being pulled of her fathers head.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
I wonder if ''Macedonia'' has any meaning in Skopjan.
I see u believe that Athina is a skopjan word. So is Athina a city of Attikska makedonija???
You fyromians are so pathetic.
U know what else? Guess. Patras is the capital of Peloponeska makedonija.
ha ha ha
Hirohito3 3 years ago
macedonia has no meaning in macedonian language,
however makedonija does.
ancient macedonians considered themselves:
:children of the mother goddess"
thus make (mother) dona (goddess) ia (land)
has a lot of meaning as (the land of the mother goddess)
by the way I didn't say that atina is our goddess, just that our languages were influencing each other for a long time, longer than the proposed 6th. c. thats all.
check out Homer in it's original script.
it's full of slavic words.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Macedonians did not worship the same Gods as the Greeks either. The fact that many Gods were found worshiped by both peoples can be attributed to the Greek desire to find Greek equivalent God with other people's deities. Pan, Poseidon, Asiris, Hera, Hestia, Themis, Dioscuri have no Greek origin and are not "Greek" Gods, but they all have a Greek equivalent. Besides, aren't all Greek Gods in fact Egyptian Gods? Didn't Herodotus state that?
mirwhitty 3 years ago
what about the Persian names? Greeks have Greek etymology for all Persian names that we find in the literature. For example: Darius, the Persian king, means "worker" (erxies) Xerxes, another Persian king, means "warrior" (areios), Habrocomes, which means soft in Greek (habro) Harmarnithres, which means "chariot" in Greek (harma) Harpagus, which means "plunderer" in Greek (harpage) and so on.]
are those persians greek now???
mirwhitty 3 years ago
If we were to assume that some of the Macedonian names have Greek meanings and thereby must be considered Greek names, then, we must look elsewhere for comparable evidence in order to make a conclusive decision about it. Since Philip and Alexander have Greek etymology, we are willing to "give them" to the Greeks, after all "Philipos" lover of horses, and "Alexander" the protector of men, have Greek meanings. But, then again, we ask: what about the Persian names?
mirwhitty 3 years ago
the royalty of macedonians was "hellenized' over a period of time, and used greek names.
that is no proof that the very people were greek.
how else can you explain that the "greek" dialect the macedonians wrote on things was a bad Athenian dialect? because it was thought to them by athenian teachers!
if they were true greeks, macedonians would have had their own greek dialect like the other hellenes,
spartans, athenians they all had their own greek dialect!
why not the macedonians???
mirwhitty 3 years ago
no slavic language was the main language in thessaloniki/solun back in the bryzatine days... Macedonians would never call themselves Illyrians... Greeks can call them selves Turkish if thats the case, Macedonians were never a part of Hellas, but many did learn the hellenian language
Jasonbolt23 3 years ago
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the languages are formed over thousands of years since bronze age, actually, not by a script.
the macedonian was easy for the other slavs to understand, even then, because it was their root language.
today, a polish person can understand macedonian, but not ukrainian for example. same for an ukrainian, they will understand macedonian but not polish.
macedonians can understand both.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
the languages are formed over thousands of years since bronze age, actually, not by a script.
the macedonian was easy for the other slavs to understand, even then, because it was their root language.
today, a polish person can understand macedonian, but not ukrainian for example. same for an ukrainian, they will understand macedonian but not polish.
macedonians can understand both.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
the Cyrillic Language.. what u call Slavs.. came from anceint macedonia and spread north... it didnt come from russia..even russia said that they got their language from macedonia
Jasonbolt23 3 years ago
Macedonia was divided then.The people in Solun were ethnic macedonians, thats where St. Cyril and his brother came from, used their language for the translation of the bible, which became "the church slavonic"
the languages are much, much older than that though.
as a matter of fact the languages are formed over thousands of years and predate the 6th c.
thats how we know the slavs didn't come from Russia
or else the russian would be the root language of the slavic languages
mirwhitty 3 years ago
you are confusing the picture as middle age kingdoms were not ethnic or national. the Byzantine kingdoms were not purely greek either.
and no the people in macedonia were not called bulgarians at the time of Samuil, there is simply no record of such thing.
As I said earlier Samuil was not bulgarian he had armenian roots.
the high slavonic is the language used by macedonians in Solun which is the oldest & root language of all slavic languages proving slavs didn't came from north
mirwhitty 3 years ago
If anceint macedonia didnt have slavic roots.. ok what about A.D .. how come every country which is ORTHODOX is SLAVIC..only greece isnt..because northern greece is MACEDONIA(slavic) and not hellas
Jasonbolt23 3 years ago
MACEDONIA was NEVER greek or Bulgarain..ALLWAYS MACEDONIAN... the macedonian language is older than bulgarian..how can it be bulgarian
Jasonbolt23 3 years ago
Yanitsaros, oreo video.
Just one thing, in your info section, the slavic 'lerin' is not a mispelling of the Greek Chlerinon, Lerin comes from Chlerinon with loss of the initial H(or X) in the local dialect. So Ch(lerin)on=Lerin , Horo=Oro, Hristo=Risto etc etc.
BzNzSBoomN 3 years ago
Tzar Samuil was of armenian origin (his parents), a group who were transfered to Macedonia by the byzantine emperor Vasilij to fight against Bulgaria. These people later went on the side of Bulgaria against Byzantium,
however the wast majority of the solders of Samuil were macedonians as well as serbians, slovenians etc. their official language was slovenian.
regardless of the political games by Samuil, the people in Macedonia didn't consider themselves bulgarian.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
oh, well you got it then.
but do you have any document from that time that he was called bulgarian killer?
or is that some "new" addition in the greek history lessons?
mirwhitty 3 years ago
I don't know what to tell you except you may believe as you wish.
Samuil conquered Bulgaria, I don't know of any king who needs to conquer his own country..
mirwhitty 3 years ago
da ti ja ebam sestrata janicarska i mamata da ti ja ebe cela makedonija od pirn do egej
dekomakedon 3 years ago
i know you speak english
dekomakedon 3 years ago
Basil did that because Samuil was about to resurrect the macedonian empire!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
mnogu im objasnuvas,gledas deka se smrdlivci sto nemaat poim od istorija,cel zivot se lazeni i uste ziveat u toj film.pozdrav
dekomakedon 3 years ago
more more grkoman..pa kaj najde ti kostumi od lerin da gi prikazuvas kako grcki?ako sakas grcki pobaraj vo etiopia.ako sakas makedonski gledaj i molci.
dekomakedon 3 years ago
Tzar Samuil was macedonian and thats the reason the greek king at the time fought him with hate, cause they hated macedonians even back then. his army was blinded by the greeks at mountain Belasica leaving one eye to every hundred soulder. when Samuil saw that he died of a heart attack.
after conquering bulgaria he declared himself a king of all bulgarians as well which bulgarians use till today to claim him lol
but then queen Elizabeth would be indian because she was queen of all India lol
mirwhitty 3 years ago
well bulgarians are of tartar not of slavic origin,
and after coming in the balkan in the 9th century were slavinized and started to speak our language trough accepting our church slavonic. the macedonian language is the most advanced slavic language because we don't use declinations, where the bulgarians and serbians do
there are other gramatical differences as well.
so knowing all this how could our language be bulgarian, when they learned it from us?
mirwhitty 3 years ago
yanitsaros seriously now, do you think that we are bulgarian because our languages are similar?
or because that fits your bill?
well consider this, serbians, croatians, bosnians and montenegrins speak an identical language called
serbo-croatian!
so how come they are 4 separate nations?
even if you have a similar language you can be a separate nation, because it takes more than a language.
and ours is not even identical to bulgarian!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Please stop bother with him.
Dont you see that this vardaskian has been brainwashed ???
Make this test : Go to a page that translate text from bulgarian to english.Copy a text from someone idiot that thinks he speak makedonian !!!
Push the translate button and ta ra !!!!
You will have your fakedonian language in english , maybe not 100% correct because it is a bulgarian dilect.
So let the idiot fakedonians believe what they want.The whole univerce know the truth.
MAKEDONIA = 100% GREECE
TrueMakedonian 3 years ago
actually the mother of slavic languages is macedonian!
all slavic linguists know that, and how they know it?
there are 3 groups of slavic languages: southern with the macedonian being the most south, western with polish, slovak and eastern with russian, ukrainian...
the eastern and western correspond linguistically and grammatically to macedonian, BUT not to each other!
this also shows that the movement of the slavs happened
south to north, and not opposite like in the "coming of the slavs" 6 c.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Hmmm, but the question remains wheter the slavs came at all since no archeological proof exist about that, or wheter the whole thing was made up by the imperial powers in the 19th century in order to control the balkans.
even if the slavs came in the 6th c. what happened to the macedonians? did they vanish?
how is it possible that we are finding slavic texts all over balkans predating 6th . c. ???
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Please stop bothering with this idiot person.Dont you see that what ever TRUE evidence you tell him he still believes he is makedonas.Let him believe what ever he wants.He is from mars maybe or afrodite.
TrueMakedonian 3 years ago
I guess when you make up stuff everything is possible, depending on your imagination!
the fact remains that we have been called macedonians in every century with international documents to prove it!
the fact remans that macedonian is only the fourth language in the world to have the bible translated into!
ours is the oldest church in the slavic world, bulgarians
accepted our language trough accepting christianity from us! it was our own macedonian St. Clement of Ohrid
who evangelized Bulgaria!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Bulgarians came in the balkans in the 9th century and are of tartar origin whose language was like turkish
the reason bulgarians speak a slavic language today is because they accepted OUR MACEDONIAN language.
so who came first the egg or the chicken?
calling our language bulgarian shows not how little you know, but how little you WANT to know!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Your macedonian WHAT ????
You dont speak greek.You speak bulgarian dilect.
Dont be so stupid to believe you are makedonas.
Only unaducated dont know that MAKEDONIA = GREECE 100%.
YOU ARE SLAVS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GREEK MAKEDONIA.YOU CANT EVEN SAY THE WORD ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ.Stupid vardaskians.
TrueMakedonian 3 years ago
you said it yourself!
I don't speak greek,
I said I speak macedonian!
learn the difference smart guy!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
YOU SPEAK WHAT ????
There is not such language.
Makedones speak only GREEK BECAUSE THEY ARE GREEKS.Mayby some history lessons out of VARDASKA help you find the truth.
MAKEDONIA ONLY ONE AND GREEK 100%
VARDASKIANS SPEAK BULGARIAN DILECT NOT GREEK.
TrueMakedonian 3 years ago
only greeks speak greek,
we speak macedonian and therefore we are not greek.
the macedonian language is a mother language to the other slavic languages, ask any linguist!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Ptolemaic dynasty descends from Ptolemy Soter, general of Alexander, he was from Pelagonia!
The dialect on the demotic text on the rosetta is identical to the one macedonians in Pelagonia speak today!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
THE MACEDONIANS OF AEGEAN MACEDONIA:
A BRITISH OFFICERS REPORT, 1944.
ANDREW ROSSOS
All statistics, except the Greek ones, are also in general agreement that these Macedonians represented the largest single group on the territory of Aegean Macedonia before 1913. The figures range from 329,371 or 45.3 per cent to 382,084 or 68.9 per cent of the non-Turkish population
this is just one non balkan report, do you want more?
mirwhitty 3 years ago
the main text on the rosetta is the middle text which addresses the "Masters Of The Living Masters" which at the time were the macedonian dinasty from Pelagonia Valley
it is this text that calls the greeks "The Denai" while pointing to the greek text and is addressing greeks living in Egypt!
the text is called :A Monument Of Pre Cyrillic Slavic Literacy" by the russian academy!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
what ever you are smoking, it's good stuff!
have you ever gotten any input other than greek government propaganda?
I mostly rely on independent documents for my
conclusions.
the numbers I gave you are from german and english historians at the turn of the century!
It's them that quote 10% greek and the rest macedonians and some turks.
but don't worry, Turkey is giving us all the papers from Aegean Macedonia, soon we'll all know the numbers!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Look who is talking about propaganda.
You are brainwashed citizens of Vardaska.One day you woke up and said , ok from now on we are greeks.We are makedones.
By the way only Vardaska has only the 7% of the greek makedonia and they believe they are makedones and want to call vardaska makedonia!!!!!
TrueMakedonian 3 years ago
only 10% of the people in the aegean macedonia were greek before 1912,
it was given to you by england and france to control russia, not because it was yours.
the communist only saw the injustice and promised the macedonians autonomy, and thats the reason macedonians
joined the resistance and helped liberate greece. even tough they wanted to be under our own macedonian comand, Tito forced them to be under the greek communist command. after the war they didn't get their rights, they got napalmed!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
poor man, he had to say that of course, kind of like when a white man confronts a black man for being black and he says
they made me black, not because I wanted to...
you can't see the tree from the forest, if you are a young man
and you accept that order, thats really sad for this world.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
not so fast yanitsaros, the macedonians clearly called the greeks denai, and that goes all the way in egypt during the macedonian rule there:
check the rosetta stone, the middle text specifically says
"for the denai" and point to the greek text.
mirwhitty 3 years ago
It's somewhat of a paradox of your mother language to be Slavic (Bulgarian for example - as you can see from my profile i am not fed with the propagandha comming from my land), and you to consider yourself Greek with strong sentiment. The Greek culture should be somewhat alienic to the one brought into Slavic family. Please feel to correct me if i am wrong.
Nice dance btw, this is something we consider etno music from our Land.
Best regards Balkan brothers!
SlavicWarmonger 3 years ago
platamonas, and i have travelled in Greek Macedonia too, and met Slavs who have said to me exactly the opposite - that they need to hide beneath the Greek nationalism, in order not to be prosecuted, jailed for being Slavic etc etc.
SlavicWarmonger 3 years ago
Yanitsaros, healthy and real point of view you have there, i applaud you for that. But let me ask you what do you mean on Slavic Greeks? If you allow for that term to be used it makes somewhat confusion about the Greek nation (we all know about the strong anti-slav sentiment in Greece, and many statesmen saying that they should kill all slavs in Macedonia - during the Greek Civil War).I agree on the fact about the areas where Slavs settled.
SlavicWarmonger 3 years ago
let me ask you something:
why ancient macedopnians called the greeks denai?
mirwhitty 3 years ago
Cccc, that's the problem with greeks, you have an answer to everything, always in line with the "official" stance.
so I guess you' d be surprised when the macedonian people happen in greece, you will wonder where they came from?!?
mirwhitty 3 years ago
how do you know?
our people tell us differently,
as a matter of fact macedonians in greece themselves say there are about 1,5 million of them there
mirwhitty 3 years ago
the macedonian architecture is very unique, and the proportions and style are studied all over the world.
only the japanese traditional houses have the same uniqueness as the macedonian!
byzantium has nothing to do with it, as you can see the houses are 100-200 yeras old on only in macedonia.
byzantium was 1000 years ago, and on a wider territory, where the houses are different.
the costumes in macedonia have the traditional red colors
and the sun symbol since the time of Alexander!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
if that makes you feel less guilty about the ethnic cleansing, to think that slavs were a small percentage and not majority...
the independent reports done by german and other european non balkan historians at the time say that slavs, as you like to call us, were the absolute majority. greeks were 10% and only in the aegean macedonia, which makes them even less in all of macedonia circa 1912!
even the greek king said that!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
the costumes, the architecture, all that is typical macedonian!
there is no difference between the look of houses in Ohrid, Resen, Prilep as well as Florina, Odesa etc.
there is a reason for that, Macedonia was one entity before 1912, before half of it was stolen by greece!
look the rest of greece, their houses look nothing like macedonian! thats because the are really greek,
kitschy palaco wanna bes!
mirwhitty 3 years ago
These costumes are like my grandma's costume which she kept in an old chest!Peace on her honoured dust!
But I'll never agree with this-Macedonia is Greek!
Macedonia is NOT Greek!
bgmakedonka 3 years ago
But today macedonians are macedonians, thracians renamed them selves as bulgarians, because of the bulgarian tribe that came from Asia, although that tribe wasn't as numerous as thracians.
berzit 3 years ago
Ancient macedonians and thracians were similar tribes until I milenium bc. After that, they exist as diferent people. Macedonians weren't part of ancient greek people.
berzit 3 years ago
P.S.Alexandar`s father Philip went to Greece for invasia.He are in peace at all the time with Thracians.
New archaeological demonstrate the truth of macedonian people are one of Thracians clans
All the best!!!
dobrinmdobrev 3 years ago
FYROM`s people are Bulgarian, but Bulgarian piople are not slavs => FYROM`s people are not slavs.Komunist people said that:Bulgarian people are slavs ,becouse speake same languages.Slavs are Poland,Syrbia,Hrvatska,Slovakia,Slovenia,Czesh Republic
dobrinmdobrev 3 years ago
Sorry I forgot,
Achiles is not Greece 100%.
HE is Hun,and leave him clan.
Odisei sad he came with mirmidons and fight with greece peoples.Every one know that!!!
dobrinmdobrev 3 years ago
and Omir also :)
dobrinmdobrev 3 years ago
This theory is very vary greek, not objective! So why the macedonians there still remember their slavic language? Or slavic languages are dialects of greek? wow, it is great discovery;)
berzit 3 years ago
This costumes are the same with the costumes in Bitola region! They are macedonian, but not greek! Macedonia to the Macedonians!
berzit 3 years ago
bahah.
lerin = greek?
bahah, you go there on day.
LERIN = MAKEDONIJA
GRCIJA = TURCIJA
ZaMakedonija 3 years ago
For Republic of Macedonia,no!!!
dobrinmdobrev 3 years ago