Friendly fight sword vs. axe at "Ritter in München"

[alzappa1]

=.=

[Wheeneshx3]

Very good.

[GeneralAdan]

so ein affiges rumgehampel ...belli im schlimmsten niveau

übt sowas doch hinterm zelt das sollten die leute echt nicht sehen :(

[1buergervonatlantis]

Good action. More in the forest? If you like:

watch?v=2nE55oKZyRo

[MartinDeRakovszky]

Ich seh schon, ich muss echt mal jemanden bitten, ein paar neue, aktuelle Videos vom richtigen Training in unserer Gruppe zu machen, wenn wir da zu den Freikämpfen übergehen - da geht´s dann schon bisserl anders zu ;-)

[kolotiti]

die Snitte auf den Kopf solten nich gelten weil er einen Helm mitt Kettenschutz hat dadurch kann man nicht schneiden, und das waren sehr swache treffer........

[MartinDeRakovszky]

@kolotiti:

In einem richtigen Kampf geben ich Dir da vollkommen recht, allerdings waren die "Treffer" zum einen nicht auf Kopf, sondern auf Schulter (Codex Belli) wenn Du genau hinschaust, und zum anderen war es ein Probekampf zum beschnuppern mit einem ursprünglichen Larper, der seine neue "echte" Waffe mal ausprobieren sollte - warum sollte ich da also "hart" zuschlagen? Ging mehr drum zu zeigen "und da wär ich drin" (haben ja auch keine Treffer gezählt ;-) )

[rastadolo]

sheibe!

[HELEMARDA]

shock aber richtig!! hammergeil!!!

[Megashehri]

because you play World of warcraft too much mate

[MartinDeRakovszky]

@ Vendetta: well it was a dirty little axe, in hand´s of a experienced fighter a quick and dirty bitch ;-)

[MartinDeRakovszky]

@ Alex:

Well - Crossguards are necessary because not everybody used a gauntlet and a crossguard always always a good protection in addition, and I prefer blades with CG - on the other hand, there are some techniques even in early times, where a CG is at last usefull, if not, like in some later techniques necessary (talhoffer for example)

But with the round and the straight CGs - that´s indeed interesting - seem´s like I´ve something to compare ;-)

[MartinDeRakovszky]

Well - you weren't there and haven't seen the whole fight...

and funny thing, too - I'm also teaching some years by now - and - all my regular pupils became good Fighters untill now...

And - he wasn't a pupil of mine but a LARPer who wanted wanted to try it... - and if you watch and listen carefully, you'll hear, that I'm giving him advices on what he's doing wrong...

[Wattebauschchen]

funny you'r asking, i'm teaching for several years now.

Do it slow but do it right, i'm not talking about hard, i'm talking about correct.

You are the one who want's to win against a beginner every time he attacks. You do not give him enough time to learn. Let him strike a few times,then press him a little bit and let him deal with it - learn.

First thing you have to learn is how to hit.he doesn't know, and you are not showing.

[MartinDeRakovszky]

well-who's able to read is in an great advantage ;-)

the scotsman had almost no experience...-so it wasn't a real hard fight...-different combat-partners, different grades of difficulty and how hard you hit...

If i'm fighting with partners I know they can fight well, it looks much different than this.

But if you prefer to hit as hard as you can even with a Newbie, risking to hurt him, just to show what a great fighter you are-poor guy!

(Have you ever tried to TEACH somebody sword-fighting?)

[Wattebauschchen]

you call this hits? i can explain how u do it: u raise u'r arm and tuch him with the point of u'r blade. THIS IS NOT A STRIKE!

it has nothing to do with swordmanship.

u just put u'r sword somewhere. a strike has to be delivered direktly with a motion. what u do ist neither proper training nor a simulation and not even a good show.

check out some huscarl guys, or even eastern style full contact..

and why the beating? - because u called it "real-fight-training"

[ThegnThrand]

Check out my video on youtube (Viking vs. Samurai : Thrand's aftermath part 1,2 and 3 also fighting bonus video ) I made it because Spike TV Deadliest Warrior Did not depict Viking correctly on show.

[Vikingman889]

no they didnt  and im still pissed about tht

[MartinDeRakovszky]

Never heard that axe was a symbol of peace-in the beginning it was simply a working tool, almost every one had at home in old times-and which was a very effective tool to kill somebody if necessary...-and later there came axes just only for killing others (very peacefull)

The Sword in contrast begann as a knive and the blade got longer and longer as the forging-abilitys got better-until it was, unless almost all other weapons, a weapon useable only to fight (or status-symbol)...

[MartinDeRakovszky]

Ähm - the sword surely doesn´t come frome the cross - swords are a lot older than christianity where the cross is important - and they are used by many non-christian peoples too.

It´s right that christian knights often turned over their sword to use it as symbol of a cross while praying before battle tc.

But it´s just simply the most efficient form for this kind of weapon to protect the Hands and in some techniques to disarm your opponent....

[Alex231291]

Hey there. This is a bit of a late reply, but probably useful non-the-less.

The sword is, indeed, older than Christianity, and other religions and cultures did use them. The interesting thing is that other cultures tended to have round crossguards, rather than the straight ones western knights tended to use. My theory, and that of a few other members of my society, tend to believe this was to mimic the cross. Gauntlets are for hand protection, why would a crossguard be so necessary?

[MartinDeRakovszky]

Well-they both can be very powerfull in the hands of well trained fighter who fit´s to it...

I´m definitly a swordfighter-and I´m happy to be...-My Opinion is, that Swords are lot more elegant-and you can do a lot with them-a lot more than just "Hacking, Thrusting, and Punching" (you know thalhoffer? there are a lot of different techniques, not only working with the blade alone)-but in battle most of time you can´t use them most techniques, here are the reflexes the most important!

[HerrQuixota]

The Axe strikes more powerfully than the Sword. The sword stabs more efficiently than the Axe. The axe has superior hooking capability. The Sword doesn't require as much strength to be as effective. The Axe is inexpensive and easy to repair. The Sword, with gauntlets, can be utilized as a Spear. The Axe, with slight modifications, can become a halberd. The Sword is difficult to disarm. The Axe is better at disarming. The Sword is a token of the Cross. The Axe(tomahawk) is a symbol of peace.

[HerrQuixota]

The axe wasn't just a hacking weapon!

ffs.

You could stab with it as well. The wood on the axe is dangerous as well to be hit by, as long as you had a strong enough grip to maintain the force all along the handle.

Axes: Hurling, Hacking, Hooking, Punching, and Thrusting.

Swords: Hacking, Thrusting, and Punching

[lateralus87]

Damn Thialfi, you got him good sometimes.

[WhiteTree117]

If this was downrated because it's slow that's stupid

it's a training fight

you go slow so as not to get hurt and see and improve on your mistakes

[skallagrimm]

Yeah, for a newby slow is good. Training a fresh recruit should be done step by step.

But good reaction and timing can really only be acheived through 'real time' practice. Not so much full speed, but sped up and with a bit of urgency to it.