we dont need health care reform as much as we need good paying jobs for the people so they can afford health care.lot of people working 3 min wage jobs part time with no health care.we need to quit shipping our jobs to china and start paying the people enough they can live!!!just look at the mess the govt has made of social security and worker comp.what u want to have a attorney just to get health care too?
bo stinks and so do his bigger goverment ideas.we need to vote all these jokers out.
It is kind of amazing some "people" think health costs are like buying a car or any other commercial proposition (eg: all the insurance co-sponsored posts on Youtube by varying "people"). You can plan to buy a car or a house: it's your own responsibility and your money allocation--but you can't plan a medical affliction. Not the same. I simply note one anti-health plan person on Ytube had her two fave videos as a) a revolver shooting into a tank, and b) a clip of Milton F'man on "Greed". True!!
We need a public option along with private options. But the public option needs restrictions. Such as if you can affordably buy private health care you cannot buy private. But if you cant affordably buy health care you get the private option. This competition will lower private cost. This will cost less than obama's plan but the same results
It's a tax increase during a recession. last time that happened Hoover was in office and we slid into a depression. do your homework and fight this tax.
Ok so if we get a public option. Whats to stop government from regulating and subsidizing the insurance companies out of business? Free market is good but when government gets involved it's no longer free. Government can then legislate their way to competitive advantages which would drive small companies out of business. When Obama talks about cutting costs, hes talking about less care. Hes a lawyer paid to convince you it wont hurt anything to have an overreaching government option. It wil
she was offered a flight back to the UK after 3 weeks to get treated there!
she took it as she had NO CHOICE!
she did get treatment 3 days after she got back,but saddly she died 18 months later
the doctor who was her case surgon told me that the 3 weeks delay was the cause of her death as if the tumour was treated as soon as they found it,she would have had a good chance!
graham: I am sorry for your loss. However, it is not the purview of the federal government to setup healthcare. If the states; like MA, wish to do so that is their prerogative. But, this massive consolidation of power by the federal government over the decades; under both Rep's and Dem's, is not only bankrupting this nation, but moving us more towards rule by the elite...be they corporations or altruistic ideologues. The 'fairness' discussed so far is merely redistribution of wealth by force.
but it is spike old son,in the Uk and most other countries the goverment runs the health care system and most of the time it works quite well!we DO pay for it out of our taxes(it's listed under "National Insurance")and that covers all health care,unemployment ect ect ect! it's based on your abillity to pay so NO ONE LOSES OUT! i find it very strange that the worlds most powerful country(sic)can not look after it's own citizens(the averidge lift of a UK man is 62 for god's sake! in the UK it's 87
Graham: depending on the source the avg life expectancy for males is: US 74-78, UK 75-80. What on earth are you talking about with 62 years and 87? Also, if you're going to be sarcastic at least use 'sic' properly. It should have gone after 'powerful' not 'country'.
Take care, friend. I think we'll have to agree to disagree. It appears we're going in circles.
spike8088 old son..look at CCN news today 16Th of June 2009.. the 3rd story makes my point about so called health care firms doing there best to wiggle out of coughing up for treatment!
seems a woman was diagnosed as having breast cancer and the company refused to pay up? why? because she was treated for ACNE 3 years earlier and had not told them about it! still think your system is such a good thing?oh by the way they did pay up after a great deal of pressure was brought to bare upon them!
Congratulations on joining a conversation that ended two weeks ago, picking a topic point in the middle of the discussion, taking it out of context, misinterpreting it, and then enlightening us all with something not only blindingly apparent if you had actually read the thread, but utterly inconsequential in your purposed addition to the discussion.
Nicely done...I guess you certainly showed me... Would you care to restate again what I already said?
Those opposed to Universal health care are intent on denying people who cant afford exorbitant cost of private health insr access to affordable coverage via the govern. Why? This way everyone has access. What is ur objection? You will have the CHOICE to KEEP your private expensive health insur. which will continue to cheat u, nickel/dime u, and flat out refuse to cover ur medical cost. Universal care will give access to those same high quality drs & hospitals too. SUPPORT CHOICE!!!!
Obama's health care plan is @ giving people CHOICE. Keep your private care if you want or go universal. I think its great. The MYTH that you wont have good doctors/medical care is a MYTH. Universal care will provide care from the same pool of doctors and hospitals that private insur does. Just because someone has an MD after their name doesnt mean theyre a good doctor. All you need is a C average to get that degree. There are a lot of crappy DRs out there & theyll be divided = btwn them.
Just great!! Obama screws up the car companies, now he sets his sights on health care. Seriously, the guy has been in office for 6 months now and did anyone really think it would be this bad? It only took a half of year and its becoming increasingly more difficult to find anyone who voted for the guy. Even liberals and democrats are starting to turn their backs on the guy. I only pray he will resign or airforce 1 will run out of fuel in the sky.
I'm sorry but OBAMA is the one who screwed up the car companies? and health care reform is bad why? it's becoming increasingly more difficult to find someone who voted for obama? The Hell are you talking about?
oh come one, usually u guys cry out socialism when a government gets involved with your beloved capitalism. GM and Ford screwd up the 10 or 20 years, now they go down in flames, THATS exactly what you guys always advokate !
And now you cry about that ?
Where the hell do you guys get off ? Have you taken a look oversees sometime ? All of Europe got public healthcare, and most of Europe also got a higher standart of living.
You know, its a pritty nice thing, to know, that you dont have to sell your children into slavery if you come down with cancer or some other serious illness.
and how did Obama screw up the car companies?they did it to themselves you dolt! making crappy cars that no one wants is the sure way to bankruptcy! under Bush the us went skint!Obama inherited a crock off shit! he is trying to fix it! are you a total idiot? Crenk is pointing out a way for YOU lot in the US to have health care for EVERY ONE!
once you start readin this there is no turnin bac....
Mary was a 5 year old girl whos parents abused her.one day her parents locked her in the bathroom and she died from starvation. if you don't post on three more videos you will continually see her in the mirror in the bathroom for the next wee
fuck capitalism. stick a fork in it.. its done. How are we gonna deal with feeding 7billoion+ people. Eat money? We got much bigger problems coming in the next decade than our fuckin ipods and 4WD's.
well ShaneEnochs old son think on this small but vital point! most farmers in the world are given massive handouts to grow(and sometimes not grow) food! EVEN the USA! but i dont hear YOU moaning about"govermental interfearance" when they get handouts!
you did not raise your voice when the banks got lots of cash,dispite there cockups! and what is WRONG with wanting a good health care system? remember you only just beat CUBA for god's sake!
once again ShaneEnochs old son you are missing the whole point! the idea is that EVERYONE gets health care,not just the people that can afford it!
i find it odd that the worlds(sic) most powerful country can NOT look after it's own people!oh and by the way YOU are not paying any thing for ME! i happen to live here in one of the countries(CANADA) that does have a national health care system for all! it's a damm nice thought that if i EVER needed any treatment,it's there!
How do you think the government pays the doctors to take care of you? Taxes from other people.
Health care isn't a right covered by the United States constitution. However, there are many free clinics here that will take care of you if you get sick.
I'm not saying our system is perfect, but I prefer it over the universal health care plan that our president is offering.
By the way, I make under $24,000 a year, so it's not like I'm rich.
There are plenty of rights you have that are not provided directly by the constitution but can be argued for based on the wording of the constitution. There are several constitutionally sound arguments for health care, but it's all in the interpretation of the words (such as the providing of the general welfare of the union in the Preamble, which can easily be interpreted to the idea that good health = better for the welfare of the union, etc).
Your view of the constitution is not the only one.
> "There's nothing wrong with wanting a good health care system, but why should I have to pay for YOU to go to the doctor?"
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You are so so wrong about paying for other ppl. In any insurance, whether government run or private insurance, you or your employer pays monthly premium whether u see a doctor or not. So you can't argue that you r playing for someone's health care in government plan but not in private insurance...
Save 20 to 30 percent? Please explain in detail. If we make the Welfare Health Cards out of recycled cell phones can we save...ummm ... let's make up another number... We can save 80%!
Socialized / Public Healthcare sounds good but people in this country are to fickle. I think if it's ran similar to UK, Canadian, French healthcare it'll be fucked, Hooray for fat people and the millions of whinny fucks that go to the Doctor when they woke up with a stuffy nose and slight fever.
I agree that you have way too many fat fucks, whiny whores, ignorant fucks, dirty illegal aliens and other costly fucks that dont pay that much taxes.
I definitely would like to live in another country if I ever had any health issues, luckily I have been issue free since I was an infant outside of a couple colds into my early teams, by a cold I mean 104+ Temperatures. In a sense I've been lucky but I also try to stay fit and eat healthy which helps me from not being sick all the time. I literally haven't gone to the doctor in 8 years other then for a required physical and STD testing, I'm now 24 and scared that one day something will happen.
Yes, but that`s were the problem lies. It`s your right to be able to see a doctor at least once or twice a year, and not have a financial burden. Even if it is just a routine physical.
It`s true. Doctors make a lot more money in the USA, but it`s not supposed to be about the money. Doctors have to take the Hippocratic Oath.
I'm also 24. I go to college, and I have a part time job. I would be able to go to college if I had to pay thousands of dollars for my chemo treatments, and other meds.
by teams I meant teens... sorry. Specifically though my point is with the US I feel it would be too large of a liability. The only possible thing I could see is limiting EVERYONE to a visit amount like 1 visit per 3 months unless it's an emergency. Something along those lines and people would just have to be smart instead of just being rich.
Yes, but that`s were the problem lies. It`s your right to be able to see a doctor at least once or twice a year, and not have a financial burden. Even if it is just a routine physical.
It`s true. Doctors make a lot more money in the USA, but it`s not supposed to be about the money. Doctors have to take the Hippocratic Oath.
I'm also 24. I go to college, and I have a part time job. I would be able to go to college if I had to pay thousands of dollars for my chemo treatments, and other meds.
Free Health Care for America, if not they are truely a backward first world nation. My country has Free Health Care and I will never have to worry about my own well being because of that.
insurance, sharing risk, is something which does not benefit from competition and marketing, rather its dependent on the number of participants - more participants means more cost is spread around and individuals end up saving money. one variable is how risky the participants are, but if every American was under the same umbrella then that variable becomes almost irrelevant. Taking the burden of providing healthcare for employees off of businesses is also good economic policy.
I hate to say this because we need health-care reform badly, but from a negotiating standpoint,when someone says now or never, it's usually best to walk away from the table quickly. The big question is how to pay for it. The only way to do it is to privatize the Department of Education, or privatize all public pensions including Soc sec or get rid of about a third of the Defense Department(not likely with a war in Korea on the horizon). The idea that cost cutting alone will do it is ludicris.
Health insurance companies, drug companies are the biggest hurdle on the way to affordable health care for everybody. In fact those along oil companies are the main blood suckers of American People. Once their hegemony is broken people will flourish and be happiest nation on Earth.
no matter how people want to twist it usa spends 3 times on avarage as much as the france is spending on their health care, with out having france system efficiency.
in fact usa spends on health care an amount similar to france gdp.
Two years ago I had a heart attack...no health insurance...it wiped me out...still paying it off...have gotten used to no furniture and tofu and lettuce...LOL! Can't wait for this program to come through as I'm not the only American in this situation...Stay Healthy and call your reps and senators!!!
I'm from New Zealand, and we've had a public healthcare system since 1938. Sure it has problems like waiting lists, but I'd take the waiting lists in a public system over crippling bills in a private system any day.
Oolong2: your second point re: my comment about socialized medicine bureaucracy is valid and I agree. We have enough of that already. We don't need nor can we afford more of it.
A governmental program wouldn't be a true free market option to existing plans since I would still have to pay for it through taxes even if I didn't "choose" to use it. How can anyone even say with a straight face that such a proposal is a free choice or an "option"? I would already be paying for it.
Obama doesnt want to provide healthcare for the masses as much as he wants to get his hands on the benefits your employer pays on your behalf. The new slogan will be: Im over 60. Why do democrats think I dont deserve medical care? Republicans need to stop being intimidated and stand up for America or resign, go home and have Special Elections to fill their seats. Why wait for 2010?
My wife and I are physician and we both are in favor of moving forward with something. We hear "oh you don't want the gov't running your healthcare" REALLY as oppose to the insurance companies? They routinely deny payments and prescribed medications. For profit health insurance companies have one thing in mind. PROFIT!! At least we can vote out the gov't. Get it done!! Plus the socialized medicine in "socialized countries is actually pretty good. I have seen it. Yes they have problems.
1. I'm a registered nurse who makes a hard earned $50,000 a year. How deep would my paycheck be cut by this? Nurses are already underpaid as it is.
2. Could patients who have moral or religious qualms with a specific procedure (Ie: blood transfusions) still get quality healthcare that complies with their beliefs?
To spike8088, France, Britain, and Canada kick our asses in health services. The drugs are much cheaper and so are the treatments. Everyone can get treatments and for essential treatments there are less waiting times than in the USA. Why do u think they have a lower infant mortality rate and higher life expectancy than we do?
fcb: Countries with socialized healthcare have cheaper drugs because the government subsidizes the heck out of them through tax money (luckily for us we don't have to pay for it when we go over there, the citizens of that country do).
The waiting times, of course, are MUCH LONGER than here due to more demands on the system. Do some research before stating your wish fulfillment as a fact. Also, I'd take better care of myself too if I knew if I got ill I might die waiting for treatment. Self-care
That's a common argument but is a little misrepresenting of health care in other countries. Take the UK, if you have an emergency, like a heart attack, they will take you immediately. For non-emergencies, yeah you'll be waiting for a while, but how is that different from the emergency room in the US?
European taxes do take away like close to 60% of your salary. That's why they have free health care and free education all the way through college. I know, I've lived in Germany.
That's true, but my question was how much they will take for health care ONLY, and not for all those other advantages the Europeans get and we are NOT going to get. You were just acting republican, exaggerating the cost of healthcare to be 60% of the salary.
Well seeing that our current taxes already take away about 30% of our salaries, id say having universal health care by itself would take 5 to 10 percent more from our salaries. But I'm no expert.
It wouldn't cost so much in UK if the government stop employing Management Consultants to do a Managers job for them. And the messed up IT system. God damned labcon government messed it all up.
What I was trying to say (admittedly I've realised now that my phrasing wasn't great) was that Americans would not end up out of pocket from public healthcare as well as receiving better service. As for our govts down the years, couldn't agree more.
Socialized healthcare doesn't work. Take a look at Britain, Canada, France, etc. It will become a bureaucratic nightmare. Name me one government program that has ever worked well? Dem. Social Security? Nope. Rep. No Child Left Behind? Nope.
And, TYT, "if republicans truly believed in free-market they would be on board..." What? Govrnmnt control of an industry BLOCKS free market.
The average person in Britain, Canada, France, are MUCH more satisfied with healthcare than in the US.
You'd realize that talking point is BS if you knew anyone that lived in those countries.
A "free market" cannot exist without rules, regulatoin, and GOVERMENT.
It's funny to be against "socialized medicine bureaucracy", yet be perfectly ok with applying for plans, filling out information for every doctor , verifying coverage, verifying if certain procedures are covered, etc. :-D
I live in Canada and can tell you it's NOT perfect. There are long wait lists for surgeries and MRI's and most of our taxes go to pay for health care. I believe that a mix of Private/Public is the best way to go.
I lived in England for 5 years. So I guess I realize my talking point isn't BS since I know myself rather well. Next time you have to get blood drawn in an emergency room and they have to get a nurse to squeeze your bicep because they don't have a tourniquet here in the States you let me know. Yes, that happened to me in England. Britain has been moving towards more privatized healthcare not less because they realize it doesn't work.
It's not ideal and I'm sure it's not perfect. BUT AT LEAST YOU GOT CARE....
My friend in England was laid off and his child was diagnosed with some life threatening condition yet had no problem getting the proper treatment
But there have been many times I've gone without heathcare for various ailments/injuries simply because. I didn't have insurance at the time or it wasn't covered for the insurance that I did have.
Luckly I can pay for care now, but many losing their jobs can't...
no the ONLY reason the the UK has been moving towards private health care is down to the fact the the British government has let these firms into the UK health system by the back door!(thanks for NOTHING Maggie Thatcher)she made sure that the NHS never had the money it should have had in the first place! the only thing these sods are intrested in is making money..god help the UK if we go the way the US went!
small problem there spike old son,the "no child let behind" is one of bush the idiots ideas NOT an Uk one the sad fact is that kids ARE beening left behind in the US even now!the britidsh NHS has worked and people are alive today that would have been left to rot by the gutter under a US style health care system!
Graham: I know kids are being left behind. That's why I said the NCLB act DIDN'T work. Re-read my comment please.
Also, people aren't left in the gutter to die in the US. They may be left with large health care bills (I'm not saying that's better), but they're not "left to rot by the gutter" as you say. We don't deny service. But they're also is no interest on those bills. I know, I've had one that took me years to pay off. But a nanny state is not what our founders envisioned.
Yes how great it is to live in a country where you get punished for getting sick
After all you can choose not to get sick and that way you don't have to pay any money
I know i choice to be born into a relatively poor family and it was my choice to have sever asthma that forced me to be hooked up to a machine that would help me breath a few times a month
Now of course they could have put me on cheep medicine and not have done any preventive medicine, but woe is me i lived in a nanny state COST 0
spike8088 old son some people are beening left to die in gutters(ok a hospital waiting roon in NYC!) last year CNN showed a video of a woman who died in a NYC hospital waiting room after waiting 25 hours to be seen! the sods where worried about her abillity to pay for any treatment! she was DEAD for over 3 hours before any one noticed!
graham Citing an example like yours must surely prove your point that US healthcare policy directly leads to mistakes where people are ignored and die. Wait, this from Manitoba: "Brian Sinclair, 45, died while waiting 34 hours for care at the Health Sciences Centre in what some are now calling the worst emergency room failure in Manitoba's history."
See how easy it was for me to find a tragic example of the inadequacies of socialized healthcare? Nice attempt at demonizing though.
sorry spike8088 old son i was NOT trying to "demonise" the us health care system,what i was doing , was pointing out that if you dont have insurance your screwed! and even if you did,the companies will try to wiggle out of paying !
true example.back in 1985 my girl friend was in the us working,she had insurance and she fell ill! with a brain tumor,she was covered but they refused to pay out and told her she could sue them through the courts but she would be dead before they payed up
I think the Healthcare reform will work, but I would like to point out that Cenk's reasoning on the free market aspect of this issue is somewhat flawed.
Firstly, the government's goal is to maximize welfare and not profit i.e. it has a profit goal of zero. This would force the private sector to also lower their profits to zero. So you can see why even smart republicans (unfortunately there aren't any) wouldn't be on board.
Well here's the problem - more likely than not the quality of the public health care won't be as good. You'll probably be restricted to certain doctors, hospitals, etc.
Private healthcare on the other hand has the luxury of providing you with high quality doctors for a bit of a premium. Now that there's a possibly public option, private healthcare will be pressured even more to give better service at better prices to make the money that you're giving them worth it.
Private healthcare on the other hand has the luxury of providing you with high quality doctors for a bit of a premium.
The problem is the doctors aren't always high quality. And the costs cripple people to the point where they sometimes go bankrupt. That never happens under universal healthcare.
And, for those of you who have issues with this, this...
We don't want "free, socialized healthcare".
We want REASONABLY AFFORDABLE health care, that we can obtain without having to WAIT ALL DAY for it. You know -- like those guys in CONGRESS have? Or those of you with HMOs?
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government run free public health care that doesn't make any profit? what kind of stupid idea is this? ridiculous. taxpayers get screwed having to pay for this nonsense too? Obamba threw billions into Chrysler and GM and they still went straight to bankruptcy, POOF the moneys gone. yeah, that worked out well and u morons still love this fool's ideas?
I spotted a bit of euphemism there, Obamas "evidence based testing". Sounds like experiment to me. You just cant say it though can you. This is why I hate politicians.
I honestly think they should make it illegal for big companies to donate to politicians - it creates this racket where they have to go to bat for these sleazeballs to look after their interests. Big corporations are NOT PEOPLE, they have no right to representation the way individuals do. Corporations don't need healthcare. Millions of under/unemployed Americans - like me - DO.
I think doctors should get paid upon results, not prepaid. To many people get procedures that fail or dont work right, yet the patient still has to pay pay and pay. I am currently paying for a surgery that either failed or it was pointless.
i see what your sayin, but if you only pay for results, then doctors are going to start refusing to do any risky surgery--which often are a great successes and save peoples lives. We need a balance between the two.
just a small point ...the risky surgery AREN'T often the great successes . Almost by definition the risky surgeries use 1) greater amounts resources 2) Have smaller margins of error and
3) the morbidity and mortality are marginally outweighed (if at all) by the potential benefits.
My surgery was an outpatient nasal surgery, not that serious. I also had a doctor replace my ACL ligament, he put in the wrong spot, so I had to have 3 surgeries all together, needless to say I didnt go back to the original doctor.
ur reading this u cant go back there was a dad who got pissed couse he got layed off so he went home took a knife than went to his 13 year old daughter and slit her neck! if u r reading this and dont forward to 10 vids the 13 year old girl be sitting on the endge of the bed waiting for tha when u wake up who ever takes care of u will find u in the tube full of bloode with ur throat slit and than the 13 year old girl will come to who ever takes care of u so hurry dont be the that unlucky one!
The health care system is so corrupt. If i have another crisis of some sort, i am planning on dying. They will look at you one time, and then turn you over to the carrion feeders. It might be good care, but it's difficult to say. Maybe if you go to prison you could get health care and you would not lose your place to live. As it is, health care is just one more variation of living under the whip. We got super gangland healthcare, where Big Louie bust you up for defaulting on payments..
Cenk, when I see it I'll believe it. I'm surprised big business and the oil companies haven't jumped on the band wagon and pushed for single payer healthcare?! Big business stands to make a huge profit out of this when they don't have to pay for health insurance for their employees! I don't understand why big business isn't pouring all their money onto K Street to get this done. Wall St. should be backing this as well.
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You want free market? YOU HAVE FREE MARKET NOW!!! What an insane arguement. If competition with government healthcare would make private healthcare better, then why aren't you in favour of the current system where private companies are in competition with EACH OTHRE?! THAT'S CAPITALISM! THAT'S FREE MARKET!!! You either support free market or you don't, if socialism works then call it socialism, don't try to pass it off as capitalism.
So is everything ran the government socialism?Are other free/seemingly free services we use products of socialism.? National Parks? Roads? Libraries? Now just so you don't call me on this, I do understand most services that seem to be free are bid on by companies but the government decides on and makes sure the cost stays(or we believe they should). I don't think the government should run everything but no cost or very low cost health care is needed. People die due to corporate greed.
Cenk was saying free market was a reason this Obama deal would work. You don't play free market with people's health. The idea competition would generate better service in health care is idiotic because even if prices were lowered there would still be a need to maximise profit and it would still be as corrupt as it is now. Of course health care should be 100% free.
I agree that health care should be 100% free, paid for by everyone through taxes. But I don't agree that more competition in the current system is idiotic. The government scheme would be corruption-free (I hope) since it would not be aiming to increase profits. So customers unsatisfied with their current health insurance would switch to the government's and the market would have to increase its standards or lose customers. A very simplified analogy I admit but I hope you can see my point.
I agree with you mostly, even from your point of view which differs from mine the point stands. If the government messes it up which I worry they will. Then it will show how flawed the idea was, that's Cenk is saying. The problem? It's hard take back government plans because our damaged society won't vote with their brains. Do I still want it? Yes, people are dieing due to the current system, I don't see another passable option out there. We have to try something. besides name.
the current level of competition is obviously not working so if another entity came in without the goal of making a profit and focusing solely on the customer, the other companies will lose business and have to change.
Wow. noojka in my opinion errored when he used the term socialism but you are using the same tactics to a even less intelligent conclusion. People need to stop calling people Nazis. Also you don't have to try a guilt trip someone, he did not seem to me like he was disregarded people suffering he just disagrees on Cenk's point. Your comment would of been okay is he said "We need death camps for the really sick people, I say fuck em I am not the one suffers." Rather then what was really said.
my health insurance costs 700 fucking bucks a month and im only 27 yrs old! suck my dick you free market promoter.....and dont come back with some lame ass excuses cuz unlike you I invest in the market and still believe we are getting screwed by these giant health insurance companies.....fuck those motherfuckers along with you.
The single most important thing that could come out of public healthcare, if it fails after implimentation, is the refocus the health insurance market on the individual, not the business. Essentially, the best value in health insurance is the employer plans, which is equal to "buying in bulk."
Makes sense for toilet paper and cereal, doesn't really work well for healthcare.
I hope you understand and factored these costs into buying a new home.. if ur about to buy either a Home, Car, Tutition.. etc.. Please stop and factor in these costs or we're just building another bubble. Costs of Everything will rise with Cap & Trade Dont think or let yourself be lied to that they wont.. same goes with health care and I want everyone here to be covered.. just prepare for a major increase in the cost of living.. GL and Pay off some debt lol.
Cap and trade might rise costs a little, but it beats having parts NYC under 30 feet of water in 20 years, or the crop devastation that will hit areas like florida and california as temperatures rise.
And I for one will be happy to pay a little extra to make sure everyone in this country can get the healthcare that they need. I know what it is like not having insurance and being in the working class. It's miserable and our country can do better.
My state balances its budgets and is a conservative state.. its actually Illegal for my state to be in the "Red" .. and with only a fraction of the population of those described area's we manage just fine. Same goes for me.. Cash in hand.. no other way around not becoming a slave to a corporation that cares very little if you've got cancer, or cant afford food and shelter. I'm wise.. Young enough to see the next 20 years so i'll buy a jetski with cash and come to vist yah =).
What will a health care system do for USA? A more healthy and contented population. It will help the whole system when it has a healthy and working majority. It will gain the economy with about 70%.
Public healthcare works well (on the whole) in UK and Canada. The American people work hard and deserve good healthcare. The HC companies are charging more and making more profit but not covering people when they really need it. It's not on.
Why is that? There are flaws in public health care systems, you can't get the care you want when you want it and sometimes you can't get the kind of drugs you want because they are not the cheapest approved option. I think a two part system would be the best, if you have the money to pay for insurance and get quicker and more customized care then good for you but if your someone like me who has not been to a doctor in yrs cus one visit = 10%-20% of my monthly pay. No cost basic care is welcome.
Healthcare is going to be tough but if Obama pulls it off... which will take nothing short of a miracle... he will AUTOMATICALLY score my vote for 2012.
Healthcare Reform is unbelievably important to SO many Americans.
And even with the compromise that he is promising... that means... if you have money... and like your current Doctor... you don't have to change anything!
How much fairer of a compromise on that policy can you get?
So let me get this straight. I can either pay more in taxes and get free nationalized health care, or I can pay more in taxes AND pay for private health insurance? Why would anyone pay extra for something they are already paying extra in taxes for? I realize the details of the system have not been worked out, but in the situation you just described, people paying for their own insurance would be paying double to have their own choice of doctor.
Not only that, they are proposing to tax your health insurance as taxable income (currently it is not taxed). And then there is the 25% value added tax that will be added to EVERYTHING (hidden of course). People, I understand universal "free" health care sounds great on paper, but let's not bring about something without doing research first. Because if something like this becomes reality and doesn't work, it will be hard to get out of.
well x78x old son i was using the same criteria as you..to beat Cuba is no big deal.. after all you,yourself said
"The US is ranked 37th overall" that means that dispitre the fact,most people in the usa think their number one in so many things.. i happen to have lived most of my life in the UK and only moved to Canada two years ago and both countries have a better health care system AND education then the USA!think about it for a moment..the USA is NOT No1 at all!
So then why is right for the pharmaceutical companies to hold the monopoly?
Private Healthcare will still exist and in some ways flourish.
Giving all citizens an option is BY FAR the best plan that I've heard of. If you have money and believe that your Doctor is better than those that Government provides then you can simply keep using your own Doctor.
On the other hand... if you are like the majority... then you don't have much money but can still receive the treatment that you may need.
The GOP will ensure that healthcare reform does not take place at all. When Sarah Palin becomes POTUS, she will ensure that all healthcare becomes completely privatized and that nationalized healthcare will never be a reality.
Those people will not be pursued by light touches or ideological views, I think.
If you already take "blood money", laws that help insurance companies to deny help to people that clearly need it etc..., you are not going to go for the ideological "lets help the community" stance.
They will only turn if they get a political positive deal, or if they get some really negative cons towards them if they dont.
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You're going to get your free health care about as much as you're getting Guantanamo Bay closed and transparency in government.
Gotta love the tactic though. Distract people with the fantasy of a better health care system for a year or as long as possible so they forget about the economy for a while. They might not have jobs or homes and their money is worth less, but they can MAYBE buy drugs for slightly cheaper sometime in the future.
I love how the republicans fight tooth and nail against every single thing Obama is trying to accomplish, and then turn right around and blame him for not fixing anything.
i agree however we concentrate on our presidents too much rather than beating up congressmen who are still there and have been there for a very long time
Obama is a new fish in a place full of oldschoolers with a lot of influence and interests
You're WAY off base here. Guantanamo IS closing. And the current transparency as far as Government policies and finances go... has NEVER been done before.
It's NOT perfect... yet. But it will continue to head in a positive direction as it has been since Obama has taken office.
Well said! Let the good not be the enemy of the perfect. Obama has nothing to gain and everything to lose by leaving Guantanamo Bay open over a year from now. He will do everything in his power to close it. That much should be obvious to all. I hope health care reform is enacted this year itself.
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we dont need health care reform as much as we need good paying jobs for the people so they can afford health care.lot of people working 3 min wage jobs part time with no health care.we need to quit shipping our jobs to china and start paying the people enough they can live!!!just look at the mess the govt has made of social security and worker comp.what u want to have a attorney just to get health care too?
bo stinks and so do his bigger goverment ideas.we need to vote all these jokers out.
ez3usx2 2 years ago
It is kind of amazing some "people" think health costs are like buying a car or any other commercial proposition (eg: all the insurance co-sponsored posts on Youtube by varying "people"). You can plan to buy a car or a house: it's your own responsibility and your money allocation--but you can't plan a medical affliction. Not the same. I simply note one anti-health plan person on Ytube had her two fave videos as a) a revolver shooting into a tank, and b) a clip of Milton F'man on "Greed". True!!
clusterfacker 2 years ago
We need a public option along with private options. But the public option needs restrictions. Such as if you can affordably buy private health care you cannot buy private. But if you cant affordably buy health care you get the private option. This competition will lower private cost. This will cost less than obama's plan but the same results
bradensmagic 2 years ago
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Obama's Healthcare Reform = a giagantic leap toward socialism
bonzai2021 2 years ago
It's a tax increase during a recession. last time that happened Hoover was in office and we slid into a depression. do your homework and fight this tax.
carnivore2503 2 years ago
Ok so if we get a public option. Whats to stop government from regulating and subsidizing the insurance companies out of business? Free market is good but when government gets involved it's no longer free. Government can then legislate their way to competitive advantages which would drive small companies out of business. When Obama talks about cutting costs, hes talking about less care. Hes a lawyer paid to convince you it wont hurt anything to have an overreaching government option. It wil
carnivore2503 2 years ago
This obama thug and the democrats in this delusional health care plan are wanting to include illegal aliens. Hey - we got change!
icicioic 2 years ago
yep, ram healthcare thru before his numbers fall into the toilet.
VideoSeattle 2 years ago
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she was offered a flight back to the UK after 3 weeks to get treated there!
she took it as she had NO CHOICE!
she did get treatment 3 days after she got back,but saddly she died 18 months later
the doctor who was her case surgon told me that the 3 weeks delay was the cause of her death as if the tumour was treated as soon as they found it,she would have had a good chance!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
graham: I am sorry for your loss. However, it is not the purview of the federal government to setup healthcare. If the states; like MA, wish to do so that is their prerogative. But, this massive consolidation of power by the federal government over the decades; under both Rep's and Dem's, is not only bankrupting this nation, but moving us more towards rule by the elite...be they corporations or altruistic ideologues. The 'fairness' discussed so far is merely redistribution of wealth by force.
spike8088 2 years ago
but it is spike old son,in the Uk and most other countries the goverment runs the health care system and most of the time it works quite well!we DO pay for it out of our taxes(it's listed under "National Insurance")and that covers all health care,unemployment ect ect ect! it's based on your abillity to pay so NO ONE LOSES OUT! i find it very strange that the worlds most powerful country(sic)can not look after it's own citizens(the averidge lift of a UK man is 62 for god's sake! in the UK it's 87
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
Graham: depending on the source the avg life expectancy for males is: US 74-78, UK 75-80. What on earth are you talking about with 62 years and 87? Also, if you're going to be sarcastic at least use 'sic' properly. It should have gone after 'powerful' not 'country'.
Take care, friend. I think we'll have to agree to disagree. It appears we're going in circles.
spike8088 2 years ago
spike8088 old son..look at CCN news today 16Th of June 2009.. the 3rd story makes my point about so called health care firms doing there best to wiggle out of coughing up for treatment!
seems a woman was diagnosed as having breast cancer and the company refused to pay up? why? because she was treated for ACNE 3 years earlier and had not told them about it! still think your system is such a good thing?oh by the way they did pay up after a great deal of pressure was brought to bare upon them!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
"is not only bankrupting this nation, but moving us more towards rule by the elite...be they corporations or altruistic ideologues"
Open your eyes. That's how it already is. Been that way since the Industrial Revolution.
terminaldeity 2 years ago 3
'Terminal'...your name is fitting.
Congratulations on joining a conversation that ended two weeks ago, picking a topic point in the middle of the discussion, taking it out of context, misinterpreting it, and then enlightening us all with something not only blindingly apparent if you had actually read the thread, but utterly inconsequential in your purposed addition to the discussion.
Nicely done...I guess you certainly showed me... Would you care to restate again what I already said?
spike8088 2 years ago
Poor spike getting his panties in a twist, gotta love youtube.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
Tru,e sadly but so true.
hiiamrick 2 years ago
When did bribe'n become legal?
Logicllp 2 years ago
yay I voted for Max!! :D
Jewlum 2 years ago
BAHHH BAHHHH SHEEPLE
jblcva 2 years ago
Those opposed to Universal health care are intent on denying people who cant afford exorbitant cost of private health insr access to affordable coverage via the govern. Why? This way everyone has access. What is ur objection? You will have the CHOICE to KEEP your private expensive health insur. which will continue to cheat u, nickel/dime u, and flat out refuse to cover ur medical cost. Universal care will give access to those same high quality drs & hospitals too. SUPPORT CHOICE!!!!
BrownC6H12O6 2 years ago
Obama's health care plan is @ giving people CHOICE. Keep your private care if you want or go universal. I think its great. The MYTH that you wont have good doctors/medical care is a MYTH. Universal care will provide care from the same pool of doctors and hospitals that private insur does. Just because someone has an MD after their name doesnt mean theyre a good doctor. All you need is a C average to get that degree. There are a lot of crappy DRs out there & theyll be divided = btwn them.
BrownC6H12O6 2 years ago
Cenk capitalism rots! Don't be so naive.
badmuffy 2 years ago
Just great!! Obama screws up the car companies, now he sets his sights on health care. Seriously, the guy has been in office for 6 months now and did anyone really think it would be this bad? It only took a half of year and its becoming increasingly more difficult to find anyone who voted for the guy. Even liberals and democrats are starting to turn their backs on the guy. I only pray he will resign or airforce 1 will run out of fuel in the sky.
jakeonfire1977 2 years ago
I'm sorry but OBAMA is the one who screwed up the car companies? and health care reform is bad why? it's becoming increasingly more difficult to find someone who voted for obama? The Hell are you talking about?
Scarpsad 2 years ago
oh come one, usually u guys cry out socialism when a government gets involved with your beloved capitalism. GM and Ford screwd up the 10 or 20 years, now they go down in flames, THATS exactly what you guys always advokate !
And now you cry about that ?
Where the hell do you guys get off ? Have you taken a look oversees sometime ? All of Europe got public healthcare, and most of Europe also got a higher standart of living.
streffin 2 years ago
You know, its a pritty nice thing, to know, that you dont have to sell your children into slavery if you come down with cancer or some other serious illness.
ah well, pointless to argue with rednecks ...
streffin 2 years ago
and how did Obama screw up the car companies?they did it to themselves you dolt! making crappy cars that no one wants is the sure way to bankruptcy! under Bush the us went skint!Obama inherited a crock off shit! he is trying to fix it! are you a total idiot? Crenk is pointing out a way for YOU lot in the US to have health care for EVERY ONE!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
once you start readin this there is no turnin bac....
Mary was a 5 year old girl whos parents abused her.one day her parents locked her in the bathroom and she died from starvation. if you don't post on three more videos you will continually see her in the mirror in the bathroom for the next wee
Roxychicky12 2 years ago
How old are you? Please dont worry about such things
L0uiseM 2 years ago
fuck capitalism. stick a fork in it.. its done. How are we gonna deal with feeding 7billoion+ people. Eat money? We got much bigger problems coming in the next decade than our fuckin ipods and 4WD's.
tuzian 2 years ago
We feed people by using capitalism. How do you think farmers live?
ShaneEnochs 2 years ago
well ShaneEnochs old son think on this small but vital point! most farmers in the world are given massive handouts to grow(and sometimes not grow) food! EVEN the USA! but i dont hear YOU moaning about"govermental interfearance" when they get handouts!
you did not raise your voice when the banks got lots of cash,dispite there cockups! and what is WRONG with wanting a good health care system? remember you only just beat CUBA for god's sake!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
I did raise my voice, actually. I protested with thousands of others.
There's nothing wrong with wanting a good health care system, but why should I have to pay for YOU to go to the doctor?
ShaneEnochs 2 years ago
once again ShaneEnochs old son you are missing the whole point! the idea is that EVERYONE gets health care,not just the people that can afford it!
i find it odd that the worlds(sic) most powerful country can NOT look after it's own people!oh and by the way YOU are not paying any thing for ME! i happen to live here in one of the countries(CANADA) that does have a national health care system for all! it's a damm nice thought that if i EVER needed any treatment,it's there!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
How do you think the government pays the doctors to take care of you? Taxes from other people.
Health care isn't a right covered by the United States constitution. However, there are many free clinics here that will take care of you if you get sick.
I'm not saying our system is perfect, but I prefer it over the universal health care plan that our president is offering.
By the way, I make under $24,000 a year, so it's not like I'm rich.
ShaneEnochs 2 years ago
There are plenty of rights you have that are not provided directly by the constitution but can be argued for based on the wording of the constitution. There are several constitutionally sound arguments for health care, but it's all in the interpretation of the words (such as the providing of the general welfare of the union in the Preamble, which can easily be interpreted to the idea that good health = better for the welfare of the union, etc).
Your view of the constitution is not the only one.
bedurnk 2 years ago
> "There's nothing wrong with wanting a good health care system, but why should I have to pay for YOU to go to the doctor?"
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You are so so wrong about paying for other ppl. In any insurance, whether government run or private insurance, you or your employer pays monthly premium whether u see a doctor or not. So you can't argue that you r playing for someone's health care in government plan but not in private insurance...
longaadoc 2 years ago
Save 20 to 30 percent? Please explain in detail. If we make the Welfare Health Cards out of recycled cell phones can we save...ummm ... let's make up another number... We can save 80%!
LegacyMicro 2 years ago
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x78x 2 years ago 3
if we get this new health care reform will it be like medicaid ??? or you have pay still?
xxLatinKillaxx 2 years ago
You kick ass
Zakdayak 2 years ago
The messiah has now told us "Were
Broke" Nationalized health care?
America better pray China keeps
buying up our debt. I am from the
Govt and i am here to help you...
Illegal aliens cost the USA almost 400
billion a year....
jblcva 2 years ago
You're not very coherent. Maybe you'd benefit from free health care.
spoolworm 2 years ago
Socialized / Public Healthcare sounds good but people in this country are to fickle. I think if it's ran similar to UK, Canadian, French healthcare it'll be fucked, Hooray for fat people and the millions of whinny fucks that go to the Doctor when they woke up with a stuffy nose and slight fever.
FYIuDeneyed 2 years ago
I agree that you have way too many fat fucks, whiny whores, ignorant fucks, dirty illegal aliens and other costly fucks that dont pay that much taxes.
tommysch 2 years ago
I've had leukemia since I was a child. I'm now in my 20's, and honestly, I wouldn't be alive today if I lived in the USA.
Yeah, sure. I do pay more taxes. I'm certainly not a lazy, fat fuck. I have a disease, and I work harder than most people could possibly fathom.
I pay for my public health care. I can't say that for others, but I sure as fuck pay for mine!
clovergirl22 2 years ago 8
I definitely would like to live in another country if I ever had any health issues, luckily I have been issue free since I was an infant outside of a couple colds into my early teams, by a cold I mean 104+ Temperatures. In a sense I've been lucky but I also try to stay fit and eat healthy which helps me from not being sick all the time. I literally haven't gone to the doctor in 8 years other then for a required physical and STD testing, I'm now 24 and scared that one day something will happen.
FYIuDeneyed 2 years ago
Yes, but that`s were the problem lies. It`s your right to be able to see a doctor at least once or twice a year, and not have a financial burden. Even if it is just a routine physical.
It`s true. Doctors make a lot more money in the USA, but it`s not supposed to be about the money. Doctors have to take the Hippocratic Oath.
I'm also 24. I go to college, and I have a part time job. I would be able to go to college if I had to pay thousands of dollars for my chemo treatments, and other meds.
clovergirl22 2 years ago
by teams I meant teens... sorry. Specifically though my point is with the US I feel it would be too large of a liability. The only possible thing I could see is limiting EVERYONE to a visit amount like 1 visit per 3 months unless it's an emergency. Something along those lines and people would just have to be smart instead of just being rich.
FYIuDeneyed 2 years ago
Yes, but that`s were the problem lies. It`s your right to be able to see a doctor at least once or twice a year, and not have a financial burden. Even if it is just a routine physical.
It`s true. Doctors make a lot more money in the USA, but it`s not supposed to be about the money. Doctors have to take the Hippocratic Oath.
I'm also 24. I go to college, and I have a part time job. I would be able to go to college if I had to pay thousands of dollars for my chemo treatments, and other meds.
clovergirl22 2 years ago
Free Health Care for America, if not they are truely a backward first world nation. My country has Free Health Care and I will never have to worry about my own well being because of that.
ZandRTheFlop 2 years ago 4
insurance, sharing risk, is something which does not benefit from competition and marketing, rather its dependent on the number of participants - more participants means more cost is spread around and individuals end up saving money. one variable is how risky the participants are, but if every American was under the same umbrella then that variable becomes almost irrelevant. Taking the burden of providing healthcare for employees off of businesses is also good economic policy.
etoposide 2 years ago 2
I hate to say this because we need health-care reform badly, but from a negotiating standpoint,when someone says now or never, it's usually best to walk away from the table quickly. The big question is how to pay for it. The only way to do it is to privatize the Department of Education, or privatize all public pensions including Soc sec or get rid of about a third of the Defense Department(not likely with a war in Korea on the horizon). The idea that cost cutting alone will do it is ludicris.
franksnow79 2 years ago
Health insurance companies, drug companies are the biggest hurdle on the way to affordable health care for everybody. In fact those along oil companies are the main blood suckers of American People. Once their hegemony is broken people will flourish and be happiest nation on Earth.
majestik143 2 years ago
no matter how people want to twist it usa spends 3 times on avarage as much as the france is spending on their health care, with out having france system efficiency.
in fact usa spends on health care an amount similar to france gdp.
amet1980 2 years ago 3
I LOVE OBAMA
econchick 2 years ago
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well one blaring fact remains unanswered.... does the government even have the money to finance such a grand-state-controlled health care reform?
I think not... America is on the verge of bankruptcy
faceclutch 2 years ago
We need a public option.
crestmere 2 years ago 2
well one blaring fact remains unanswered.... does the government even have the money to finance such a grand-state-controlled health care reform?
I think not... America is on the verge of bankruptcy
faceclutch 2 years ago
The US government under the current system has the most expensive health care in the world.
K1ngmaker 2 years ago 4
What in a country where Citizens' health is traded in stock market?
Shame on America !!
Public health is not a commodity,
Drinking water is not a commodity,
Education is not a commodity,
Fresh environment is not a commodity,
Stop capitalizing civic services.
appatel 2 years ago 6
Fuckin A!!!
dustmundo 2 years ago
Finally seems like "Happy Days are Coming"
appatel 2 years ago 2
Two years ago I had a heart attack...no health insurance...it wiped me out...still paying it off...have gotten used to no furniture and tofu and lettuce...LOL! Can't wait for this program to come through as I'm not the only American in this situation...Stay Healthy and call your reps and senators!!!
countess16 2 years ago 5
I'm from New Zealand, and we've had a public healthcare system since 1938. Sure it has problems like waiting lists, but I'd take the waiting lists in a public system over crippling bills in a private system any day.
WhyAreYouSoTrivial 2 years ago 3
activating his drones u mean
friction00815 2 years ago
Oolong2: your second point re: my comment about socialized medicine bureaucracy is valid and I agree. We have enough of that already. We don't need nor can we afford more of it.
A governmental program wouldn't be a true free market option to existing plans since I would still have to pay for it through taxes even if I didn't "choose" to use it. How can anyone even say with a straight face that such a proposal is a free choice or an "option"? I would already be paying for it.
spike8088 2 years ago
Obama doesnt want to provide healthcare for the masses as much as he wants to get his hands on the benefits your employer pays on your behalf. The new slogan will be: Im over 60. Why do democrats think I dont deserve medical care? Republicans need to stop being intimidated and stand up for America or resign, go home and have Special Elections to fill their seats. Why wait for 2010?
dkkght46 2 years ago
My wife and I are physician and we both are in favor of moving forward with something. We hear "oh you don't want the gov't running your healthcare" REALLY as oppose to the insurance companies? They routinely deny payments and prescribed medications. For profit health insurance companies have one thing in mind. PROFIT!! At least we can vote out the gov't. Get it done!! Plus the socialized medicine in "socialized countries is actually pretty good. I have seen it. Yes they have problems.
drsuperhero 2 years ago 3
These are my questions:
1. I'm a registered nurse who makes a hard earned $50,000 a year. How deep would my paycheck be cut by this? Nurses are already underpaid as it is.
2. Could patients who have moral or religious qualms with a specific procedure (Ie: blood transfusions) still get quality healthcare that complies with their beliefs?
rygy1 2 years ago
To spike8088, France, Britain, and Canada kick our asses in health services. The drugs are much cheaper and so are the treatments. Everyone can get treatments and for essential treatments there are less waiting times than in the USA. Why do u think they have a lower infant mortality rate and higher life expectancy than we do?
fcb955ff 2 years ago 3
fcb: Countries with socialized healthcare have cheaper drugs because the government subsidizes the heck out of them through tax money (luckily for us we don't have to pay for it when we go over there, the citizens of that country do).
The waiting times, of course, are MUCH LONGER than here due to more demands on the system. Do some research before stating your wish fulfillment as a fact. Also, I'd take better care of myself too if I knew if I got ill I might die waiting for treatment. Self-care
spike8088 2 years ago
That's a common argument but is a little misrepresenting of health care in other countries. Take the UK, if you have an emergency, like a heart attack, they will take you immediately. For non-emergencies, yeah you'll be waiting for a while, but how is that different from the emergency room in the US?
terminaldeity 2 years ago
How would we pay for the government's health care then? For example, I have no health insurance right now.
herogt350 2 years ago
you would pay for the health care by paying like 60% of your salary. Thats what the europeans pay for their universal healthcare
jsadasjioi 2 years ago
Lol, I'm not that idiot in case you think I am. 60% of your salary? GTFOOH. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh.
herogt350 2 years ago
European taxes do take away like close to 60% of your salary. That's why they have free health care and free education all the way through college. I know, I've lived in Germany.
jsadasjioi 2 years ago
That's true, but my question was how much they will take for health care ONLY, and not for all those other advantages the Europeans get and we are NOT going to get. You were just acting republican, exaggerating the cost of healthcare to be 60% of the salary.
herogt350 2 years ago
Well seeing that our current taxes already take away about 30% of our salaries, id say having universal health care by itself would take 5 to 10 percent more from our salaries. But I'm no expert.
jsadasjioi 2 years ago
Clearly.
CeraSeptem 2 years ago
It probably won't amount to any more than you could pay for private health insurance now, given what it costs in the UK
cheerlessdarkndeadly 2 years ago
it'll should cost less than private because you're spreading it over more people.
spoolworm 2 years ago
You are a FOOL.....Look at history.Look at
Govt projections of what social programs
will/would cost. They don't know they just
throw out numbers. Dems/GOP same
shit pile.
jblcva 2 years ago
It wouldn't cost so much in UK if the government stop employing Management Consultants to do a Managers job for them. And the messed up IT system. God damned labcon government messed it all up.
Proudtobeacommie 2 years ago 2
What I was trying to say (admittedly I've realised now that my phrasing wasn't great) was that Americans would not end up out of pocket from public healthcare as well as receiving better service. As for our govts down the years, couldn't agree more.
cheerlessdarkndeadly 2 years ago
Socialized healthcare doesn't work. Take a look at Britain, Canada, France, etc. It will become a bureaucratic nightmare. Name me one government program that has ever worked well? Dem. Social Security? Nope. Rep. No Child Left Behind? Nope.
And, TYT, "if republicans truly believed in free-market they would be on board..." What? Govrnmnt control of an industry BLOCKS free market.
spike8088 2 years ago
The average person in Britain, Canada, France, are MUCH more satisfied with healthcare than in the US.
You'd realize that talking point is BS if you knew anyone that lived in those countries.
A "free market" cannot exist without rules, regulatoin, and GOVERMENT.
It's funny to be against "socialized medicine bureaucracy", yet be perfectly ok with applying for plans, filling out information for every doctor , verifying coverage, verifying if certain procedures are covered, etc. :-D
oolong2 2 years ago
I live in Canada and can tell you it's NOT perfect. There are long wait lists for surgeries and MRI's and most of our taxes go to pay for health care. I believe that a mix of Private/Public is the best way to go.
Ian7570 2 years ago
I lived in England for 5 years. So I guess I realize my talking point isn't BS since I know myself rather well. Next time you have to get blood drawn in an emergency room and they have to get a nurse to squeeze your bicep because they don't have a tourniquet here in the States you let me know. Yes, that happened to me in England. Britain has been moving towards more privatized healthcare not less because they realize it doesn't work.
spike8088 2 years ago
It's not ideal and I'm sure it's not perfect. BUT AT LEAST YOU GOT CARE....
My friend in England was laid off and his child was diagnosed with some life threatening condition yet had no problem getting the proper treatment
But there have been many times I've gone without heathcare for various ailments/injuries simply because. I didn't have insurance at the time or it wasn't covered for the insurance that I did have.
Luckly I can pay for care now, but many losing their jobs can't...
oolong2 2 years ago
no the ONLY reason the the UK has been moving towards private health care is down to the fact the the British government has let these firms into the UK health system by the back door!(thanks for NOTHING Maggie Thatcher)she made sure that the NHS never had the money it should have had in the first place! the only thing these sods are intrested in is making money..god help the UK if we go the way the US went!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
small problem there spike old son,the "no child let behind" is one of bush the idiots ideas NOT an Uk one the sad fact is that kids ARE beening left behind in the US even now!the britidsh NHS has worked and people are alive today that would have been left to rot by the gutter under a US style health care system!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
Graham: I know kids are being left behind. That's why I said the NCLB act DIDN'T work. Re-read my comment please.
Also, people aren't left in the gutter to die in the US. They may be left with large health care bills (I'm not saying that's better), but they're not "left to rot by the gutter" as you say. We don't deny service. But they're also is no interest on those bills. I know, I've had one that took me years to pay off. But a nanny state is not what our founders envisioned.
spike8088 2 years ago
Yes how great it is to live in a country where you get punished for getting sick
After all you can choose not to get sick and that way you don't have to pay any money
I know i choice to be born into a relatively poor family and it was my choice to have sever asthma that forced me to be hooked up to a machine that would help me breath a few times a month
Now of course they could have put me on cheep medicine and not have done any preventive medicine, but woe is me i lived in a nanny state COST 0
Waage83 2 years ago
spike8088 old son some people are beening left to die in gutters(ok a hospital waiting roon in NYC!) last year CNN showed a video of a woman who died in a NYC hospital waiting room after waiting 25 hours to be seen! the sods where worried about her abillity to pay for any treatment! she was DEAD for over 3 hours before any one noticed!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
graham Citing an example like yours must surely prove your point that US healthcare policy directly leads to mistakes where people are ignored and die. Wait, this from Manitoba: "Brian Sinclair, 45, died while waiting 34 hours for care at the Health Sciences Centre in what some are now calling the worst emergency room failure in Manitoba's history."
See how easy it was for me to find a tragic example of the inadequacies of socialized healthcare? Nice attempt at demonizing though.
spike8088 2 years ago
sorry spike8088 old son i was NOT trying to "demonise" the us health care system,what i was doing , was pointing out that if you dont have insurance your screwed! and even if you did,the companies will try to wiggle out of paying !
true example.back in 1985 my girl friend was in the us working,she had insurance and she fell ill! with a brain tumor,she was covered but they refused to pay out and told her she could sue them through the courts but she would be dead before they payed up
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
I'd like to see what socailized healthcare would do to the medical feild. I wonder what doctors and pharmacists opinions are on this subject.
flyingtorpedo 2 years ago
I think the Healthcare reform will work, but I would like to point out that Cenk's reasoning on the free market aspect of this issue is somewhat flawed.
Firstly, the government's goal is to maximize welfare and not profit i.e. it has a profit goal of zero. This would force the private sector to also lower their profits to zero. So you can see why even smart republicans (unfortunately there aren't any) wouldn't be on board.
yasirbinbaqui 2 years ago
Well here's the problem - more likely than not the quality of the public health care won't be as good. You'll probably be restricted to certain doctors, hospitals, etc.
Private healthcare on the other hand has the luxury of providing you with high quality doctors for a bit of a premium. Now that there's a possibly public option, private healthcare will be pressured even more to give better service at better prices to make the money that you're giving them worth it.
Keirnoth 2 years ago
Private healthcare on the other hand has the luxury of providing you with high quality doctors for a bit of a premium.
The problem is the doctors aren't always high quality. And the costs cripple people to the point where they sometimes go bankrupt. That never happens under universal healthcare.
Savior20061 2 years ago
As long as healthcare is a business, the goal of which is to make CEOs more and more money, we will never have true reform.
Bobbiethejean 2 years ago 5
And, for those of you who have issues with this, this...
We don't want "free, socialized healthcare".
We want REASONABLY AFFORDABLE health care, that we can obtain without having to WAIT ALL DAY for it. You know -- like those guys in CONGRESS have? Or those of you with HMOs?
Fred13B 2 years ago
Finally! Somebody gets it right!
CesarManiaX 2 years ago
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government run free public health care that doesn't make any profit? what kind of stupid idea is this? ridiculous. taxpayers get screwed having to pay for this nonsense too? Obamba threw billions into Chrysler and GM and they still went straight to bankruptcy, POOF the moneys gone. yeah, that worked out well and u morons still love this fool's ideas?
friction00815 2 years ago
Don't tell me... you're in the HMO industry, right?
Fred13B 2 years ago
he's not in any industry. he's 40 year old loser with nothing better to do than troll TYT.
CheneyIZaDick 2 years ago
i have a feeling obama will legalize weed. Not just because he has smoked it but for other reasons as well.
TEKM0SIS 2 years ago
I think he will eventually too, or at least get them to back off the prosecutions for it. But thats a 2nd term kind of move.
ShadeeFan 2 years ago
and the problem with that is...
kevinkhirsch 2 years ago
I spotted a bit of euphemism there, Obamas "evidence based testing". Sounds like experiment to me. You just cant say it though can you. This is why I hate politicians.
garvess 2 years ago
I honestly think they should make it illegal for big companies to donate to politicians - it creates this racket where they have to go to bat for these sleazeballs to look after their interests. Big corporations are NOT PEOPLE, they have no right to representation the way individuals do. Corporations don't need healthcare. Millions of under/unemployed Americans - like me - DO.
dynamiteruby 2 years ago
Agreed and maybe if we did that we could have more then two parties.
SpiralOfWhite 2 years ago
I wish we could, but it violates the first amendments freedoms of speech.
trackstrb 2 years ago
I think doctors should get paid upon results, not prepaid. To many people get procedures that fail or dont work right, yet the patient still has to pay pay and pay. I am currently paying for a surgery that either failed or it was pointless.
Afoghorn 2 years ago
i see what your sayin, but if you only pay for results, then doctors are going to start refusing to do any risky surgery--which often are a great successes and save peoples lives. We need a balance between the two.
xeveron2 2 years ago
just a small point ...the risky surgery AREN'T often the great successes . Almost by definition the risky surgeries use 1) greater amounts resources 2) Have smaller margins of error and
3) the morbidity and mortality are marginally outweighed (if at all) by the potential benefits.
notonething 2 years ago
My surgery was an outpatient nasal surgery, not that serious. I also had a doctor replace my ACL ligament, he put in the wrong spot, so I had to have 3 surgeries all together, needless to say I didnt go back to the original doctor.
Afoghorn 2 years ago
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yayi86 2 years ago
I feel sorry that you (Americans) have to think about healthcare and how to pay if you get sick..
You are a little backwards.
Reqrezentin 2 years ago 6
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WWJCashD 2 years ago
The insurance industry will NEVER let this happen. It will be killed.
Richardgwm 2 years ago
"And the villagers rejoiced *yay*"
technicschic 2 years ago
The health care system is so corrupt. If i have another crisis of some sort, i am planning on dying. They will look at you one time, and then turn you over to the carrion feeders. It might be good care, but it's difficult to say. Maybe if you go to prison you could get health care and you would not lose your place to live. As it is, health care is just one more variation of living under the whip. We got super gangland healthcare, where Big Louie bust you up for defaulting on payments..
hypnofan35 2 years ago 2
Cenk, when I see it I'll believe it. I'm surprised big business and the oil companies haven't jumped on the band wagon and pushed for single payer healthcare?! Big business stands to make a huge profit out of this when they don't have to pay for health insurance for their employees! I don't understand why big business isn't pouring all their money onto K Street to get this done. Wall St. should be backing this as well.
pongman 2 years ago
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You want free market? YOU HAVE FREE MARKET NOW!!! What an insane arguement. If competition with government healthcare would make private healthcare better, then why aren't you in favour of the current system where private companies are in competition with EACH OTHRE?! THAT'S CAPITALISM! THAT'S FREE MARKET!!! You either support free market or you don't, if socialism works then call it socialism, don't try to pass it off as capitalism.
noojka 2 years ago
So is everything ran the government socialism?Are other free/seemingly free services we use products of socialism.? National Parks? Roads? Libraries? Now just so you don't call me on this, I do understand most services that seem to be free are bid on by companies but the government decides on and makes sure the cost stays(or we believe they should). I don't think the government should run everything but no cost or very low cost health care is needed. People die due to corporate greed.
SpiralOfWhite 2 years ago 2
I get that.
Cenk was saying free market was a reason this Obama deal would work. You don't play free market with people's health. The idea competition would generate better service in health care is idiotic because even if prices were lowered there would still be a need to maximise profit and it would still be as corrupt as it is now. Of course health care should be 100% free.
noojka 2 years ago 4
I agree that health care should be 100% free, paid for by everyone through taxes. But I don't agree that more competition in the current system is idiotic. The government scheme would be corruption-free (I hope) since it would not be aiming to increase profits. So customers unsatisfied with their current health insurance would switch to the government's and the market would have to increase its standards or lose customers. A very simplified analogy I admit but I hope you can see my point.
Rawthorn 2 years ago
I agree with you mostly, even from your point of view which differs from mine the point stands. If the government messes it up which I worry they will. Then it will show how flawed the idea was, that's Cenk is saying. The problem? It's hard take back government plans because our damaged society won't vote with their brains. Do I still want it? Yes, people are dieing due to the current system, I don't see another passable option out there. We have to try something. besides name.
SpiralOfWhite 2 years ago
the current level of competition is obviously not working so if another entity came in without the goal of making a profit and focusing solely on the customer, the other companies will lose business and have to change.
cwalk1950 2 years ago
noojka, if you could only see the millions of faces who suffer each and every day because they can't afford health care.
but yeah, keep spouting the "capitalism good, socialism bad" argument. you sound like a Nazi.
westt44 2 years ago
That was a response to Cenk thinking free market will fix everything when free market is what you have now.
I actually wrote a few comments back that health care should be 100% free.
noojka 2 years ago
Wow. noojka in my opinion errored when he used the term socialism but you are using the same tactics to a even less intelligent conclusion. People need to stop calling people Nazis. Also you don't have to try a guilt trip someone, he did not seem to me like he was disregarded people suffering he just disagrees on Cenk's point. Your comment would of been okay is he said "We need death camps for the really sick people, I say fuck em I am not the one suffers." Rather then what was really said.
SpiralOfWhite 2 years ago
my health insurance costs 700 fucking bucks a month and im only 27 yrs old! suck my dick you free market promoter.....and dont come back with some lame ass excuses cuz unlike you I invest in the market and still believe we are getting screwed by these giant health insurance companies.....fuck those motherfuckers along with you.
nyznicca 2 years ago 3
You getting kissed? Yer for sure getting
screwed.
jblcva 2 years ago
Private health care but public ER care is the best way to go.
Visfen 2 years ago
The single most important thing that could come out of public healthcare, if it fails after implimentation, is the refocus the health insurance market on the individual, not the business. Essentially, the best value in health insurance is the employer plans, which is equal to "buying in bulk."
Makes sense for toilet paper and cereal, doesn't really work well for healthcare.
gldni17 2 years ago
I hope you understand and factored these costs into buying a new home.. if ur about to buy either a Home, Car, Tutition.. etc.. Please stop and factor in these costs or we're just building another bubble. Costs of Everything will rise with Cap & Trade Dont think or let yourself be lied to that they wont.. same goes with health care and I want everyone here to be covered.. just prepare for a major increase in the cost of living.. GL and Pay off some debt lol.
Tunedup81 2 years ago
Cap and trade might rise costs a little, but it beats having parts NYC under 30 feet of water in 20 years, or the crop devastation that will hit areas like florida and california as temperatures rise.
And I for one will be happy to pay a little extra to make sure everyone in this country can get the healthcare that they need. I know what it is like not having insurance and being in the working class. It's miserable and our country can do better.
jstutz2003 2 years ago 3
My state balances its budgets and is a conservative state.. its actually Illegal for my state to be in the "Red" .. and with only a fraction of the population of those described area's we manage just fine. Same goes for me.. Cash in hand.. no other way around not becoming a slave to a corporation that cares very little if you've got cancer, or cant afford food and shelter. I'm wise.. Young enough to see the next 20 years so i'll buy a jetski with cash and come to vist yah =).
Tunedup81 2 years ago
Well, lucky you!
bimblinghill 2 years ago
What will a health care system do for USA? A more healthy and contented population. It will help the whole system when it has a healthy and working majority. It will gain the economy with about 70%.
globe255 2 years ago 2
Public healthcare works well (on the whole) in UK and Canada. The American people work hard and deserve good healthcare. The HC companies are charging more and making more profit but not covering people when they really need it. It's not on.
Cutchswife 2 years ago 7
Obama gets healthcare reform, and he gets my thumbs up.
justsumdude899 2 years ago 3
Why is that? There are flaws in public health care systems, you can't get the care you want when you want it and sometimes you can't get the kind of drugs you want because they are not the cheapest approved option. I think a two part system would be the best, if you have the money to pay for insurance and get quicker and more customized care then good for you but if your someone like me who has not been to a doctor in yrs cus one visit = 10%-20% of my monthly pay. No cost basic care is welcome.
SpiralOfWhite 2 years ago
Healthcare is going to be tough but if Obama pulls it off... which will take nothing short of a miracle... he will AUTOMATICALLY score my vote for 2012.
Healthcare Reform is unbelievably important to SO many Americans.
And even with the compromise that he is promising... that means... if you have money... and like your current Doctor... you don't have to change anything!
How much fairer of a compromise on that policy can you get?
Not much.
Let's see what happens. I'm ALL for it.
Krumbz2003 2 years ago 6
So let me get this straight. I can either pay more in taxes and get free nationalized health care, or I can pay more in taxes AND pay for private health insurance? Why would anyone pay extra for something they are already paying extra in taxes for? I realize the details of the system have not been worked out, but in the situation you just described, people paying for their own insurance would be paying double to have their own choice of doctor.
cbrooks83 2 years ago 2
Not only that, they are proposing to tax your health insurance as taxable income (currently it is not taxed). And then there is the 25% value added tax that will be added to EVERYTHING (hidden of course). People, I understand universal "free" health care sounds great on paper, but let's not bring about something without doing research first. Because if something like this becomes reality and doesn't work, it will be hard to get out of.
cbrooks83 2 years ago
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x78x 2 years ago
But what about all the jobs in the pharmaceutical industry?
Communist!
spoolworm 2 years ago
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x78x 2 years ago
er not quite true x78x old son! the US health care system came in under CUBA!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
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x78x 2 years ago
well x78x old son i was using the same criteria as you..to beat Cuba is no big deal.. after all you,yourself said
"The US is ranked 37th overall" that means that dispitre the fact,most people in the usa think their number one in so many things.. i happen to have lived most of my life in the UK and only moved to Canada two years ago and both countries have a better health care system AND education then the USA!think about it for a moment..the USA is NOT No1 at all!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
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x78x 2 years ago
So then why is right for the pharmaceutical companies to hold the monopoly?
Private Healthcare will still exist and in some ways flourish.
Giving all citizens an option is BY FAR the best plan that I've heard of. If you have money and believe that your Doctor is better than those that Government provides then you can simply keep using your own Doctor.
On the other hand... if you are like the majority... then you don't have much money but can still receive the treatment that you may need.
Krumbz2003 2 years ago 2
The GOP will ensure that healthcare reform does not take place at all. When Sarah Palin becomes POTUS, she will ensure that all healthcare becomes completely privatized and that nationalized healthcare will never be a reality.
ecwaufisxtreme 2 years ago
Yawn . . .
ShadeeFan 2 years ago
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x78x 2 years ago 4
no more pre-existing requirements to get health insurance........
health care coverage, no more a privilege but a right.
Public health care option, all the way.
u2beandme 2 years ago 6
"Relucent Democratic senator" = paid for by giant pharmaceutical companies/insurance companies
TheFunkyDomination 2 years ago
And what are the Republicans?
CanadianNew 2 years ago
You got that right.
Those people will not be pursued by light touches or ideological views, I think.
If you already take "blood money", laws that help insurance companies to deny help to people that clearly need it etc..., you are not going to go for the ideological "lets help the community" stance.
They will only turn if they get a political positive deal, or if they get some really negative cons towards them if they dont.
Lobos222 2 years ago
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You're going to get your free health care about as much as you're getting Guantanamo Bay closed and transparency in government.
Gotta love the tactic though. Distract people with the fantasy of a better health care system for a year or as long as possible so they forget about the economy for a while. They might not have jobs or homes and their money is worth less, but they can MAYBE buy drugs for slightly cheaper sometime in the future.
masamuneMK5 2 years ago
I love how the republicans fight tooth and nail against every single thing Obama is trying to accomplish, and then turn right around and blame him for not fixing anything.
ShadeeFan 2 years ago 17
i agree however we concentrate on our presidents too much rather than beating up congressmen who are still there and have been there for a very long time
Obama is a new fish in a place full of oldschoolers with a lot of influence and interests
KrasnayaArmada 2 years ago 4
I think we need to restore power to the congress. Over the past 60 years, the presiden't power has grown too much
bluesboy25000 2 years ago 3
You're WAY off base here. Guantanamo IS closing. And the current transparency as far as Government policies and finances go... has NEVER been done before.
It's NOT perfect... yet. But it will continue to head in a positive direction as it has been since Obama has taken office.
Healthcare Reform is KEY. For SO many reasons.
Krumbz2003 2 years ago
Well said! Let the good not be the enemy of the perfect. Obama has nothing to gain and everything to lose by leaving Guantanamo Bay open over a year from now. He will do everything in his power to close it. That much should be obvious to all. I hope health care reform is enacted this year itself.
duhduh666 2 years ago