He was a great president but he made one last big mistake-he antagonised the landowners who form at least 70% of Korean voter base. Korea's history was formed fundamentally different than Europe's where widespread land ownership is not possible.
Roh deserves credit for everything you said and more Bundang. As I read somewhere in other tributary clip, he truly fought for 90% of the common folk instead of 10% elite and corporate interest. How often in the history of politics in anywhere around the world including USA the beacon of democracy that this happens? Rarely. If ever. And for that, he was politically assassinated. He may have taken his life but he has inspired the masses. I'd like to see 2MB try to match that.
I feel sad for the Prez Roh but still he is a disgrace to Koreans in the eyes of the world since he commited suicide after people found out that he took money from many lobbists in Korea.
@sinxjohn92ab thats what the media says. most netizens find evidence its not suicide. Also he did not take money. His wife recived a watch and hanara party is using that as their evidence. and they expect us to believe it was suicide.. He was in the middle of writing a great book and was active in teaching koreans. .
Any idiot can tell me that I know "nothing" but it takes intelligence to back your statement. I am definitely not getting my reference from Chosun Ilbo. To assume anyone who are criticial toward RMH is simply "Right-wing" is nonsense. Vast majority of actual Leftists in SK were critical toward RMH from every journalists in Hankyureh to members of Democratic Labor Party. "SK-U.S. FTA" was originated by RMH and "Media Insult Law" was also originated by him as well.
ok, u know something, but how can journalists say anything good about roh when the hanara party is loading each and every one with "gift money". Also the newspapers loudly made it seem as the economy died under roh but in actually there was more growth than under 2mb.
For your information, Hankyureh wasn't funded by GNP. You are mistaken independent progressive media with mainstream medias who are funded by same corporations that also fund "business friendly" party like GNP. Hankyureh's columnists like Hong Se Hwa and Park Noja(who is also university professor) criticized RMH for being closer to GNP. Other independent journalist like Kim Kyu Hwang and historian Han Hong Koo also criticized RMH for his pro-corporate policy.
Politician such as Shim Sang Jung who was a member of Democratic Labor Party(she's currently a member of New Progressive Party) also criticized RMH that there really is no clear distinction from GNP to himself. GNP's connection have nothing to do with this since GNP doesn't have any connection with these individuals. These individuals are also strongly critical toward GNP. You are right about fabrication that mainstream media have made about SK's economy under RMH.
As much as you are right that economy have developed during RMH's presidency(actually economy was developing since KDJ's presidency), such market-oriented anaylsis are misleading. First, while economy did improved, accumulation of capital also increased as well. So under RMH, although economy have developed, more wealth was concentrated for corporations while relatively lesser amount of wealth went to workers. While economy developed, lives of SK's working class gotten worst.
And we must not forget that although economy developed under RMH(and KDJ), rates of irregular workers also increased. It was 52% during KDJ and it increased to 55% under RMH and now it is 60% under 2MB. Irregular workers only get paid half of what regular workers are getting paid. So while economy developed under RMH, overall wages declined which made lives of working people more difficult even though economy have developed. Same principle also exist under 2MB as well.
I know many South Koreans are extremely frustrated with current president and so do I. And it is also understandable that today's South Koreans actually misses RMH. But it is wrong to assume that RMH and LMB are representation of political dichotomy in SK when he was often accused of being no different from GNP.
@unorthodoxtrotsky ok, dont u even know that roh was basically poor because he spent the money that was allowed for private use for initiating his vision ? what is ur statement. is roh corrupt, or incompetent, or misled, or indulging?
My point was whether it is 2MB or RMH, they lead politic that was supported and funded by big corporations which means politics(regardless of whether it was RMH or is 2MB) will serve the interest of big corporations rather than common people of SK.
@unorthodoxtrotsky idk bout that but RMH benefitted both the rich and poor compared to other presidents. Just because some of his policies promoted economic growth doesnt mean the rest of the citizen suffer as a result. THe growth of corporations like samsung and hyndai like never before broght revenue into korea and it was managed so that more money circulated andd benefitted everyone with social welfare servicees.
"RMH benefitted[sic] both the rich and poor compared to other presidents"? I didn't said RMH was the worst president. NO. lol I will prefer RMH over any other presidents before KDJ. But you have to understand your statement. Benefiting both rich and poor isn't as equal as it might sound considering the gap between rich and poor(SK have 2nd highest gap between rich and poor among OECD nations). Benefits were distributed out of economic growth.
However, benefits for poor relatively declined in relation to actual economic growth under RMH. So while rich don't need any benefits received benefits while poor needs more benefits received it while there were greater economic growth. So compare to actual rise of values, rise of wages and benefits for poor was RELATIVELY lower. This was dynamic phenomena of economy and classes in SK under KDJ, RMH and 2MB.
And as you said, profits did increased for major corporations in SK under RMH, But there are various factors we need to take a look at. All SK's major corporations have nearly 50% of foreign investments. Samsung have little more higher than 50% foreign investments. And they are mostly American investments. And yes, this helps SK's major corporations to grow but at same time, that amount of profits also accumulated back to foreign investors
This system minimized the growth of wages for Korean workers. Also note, why are SK corporations so desirable for foreign investments to begin with? SK corporations are desirable (and one of reason) is due to low paid irregular workers. It is great chance for foreign investors to make money by spending it less. So despite some rise of wages, vast majority of profits have(and still are) accumulated for SK capitalists and foreign investors while leaving workers few.
Yes, there were rise of "few" but in relation to actual economic growth, it still is very "few". Also major corporations like Samsung and Hyundai only represents 20% of SK's corporations and majority of them are smaller corporations. Workers who are employed under these major corporations are 10% of all employed workers in SK. Thing about SK's major corporations are they rely on Japanese small corporations' raw productions.
And these small Japanese corporations are actually being benefited through growth of SK big corporations which leaves raw production making SK small corporations more underdeveloped and become more marginalized from competitions. This also forces small corporations to increase accumulation of capital in order to maintain competitions and leaves greater exploitation of SK's 90% of both regular and irregular workers.
So yes, there are rise of wages and benefits for poor working class(and this was specially so under RMH) but it is insignificant in relation to actual economic growth and development of major corporations that benefits SK capitalists, foreign investors(mostly Americans) and Japanese corporations. This have been common neoliberal economic policy that was shaped by KDJ and developed by RMH and 2MB. RMH even refer to himself as "Leftist neoliberal". That is nonsense!
Do you think that many of the rises for the working class could have been because of actual class struggle eg union action and fear of working class discontent, rather than RMH being benovalent? I read that in 2004 wages increased for the first time since the economic crisis of the late 90s, however I also read that this was also the time when the unions took more aggressive steps towards improving the conditions of workers.
I think many of the rises for working class was due to their anger and disappointment against RMH. Rise of wages during 2004 may have caused by workers' struggle but I think rate of accumulation increased as well. So despite the rise of wages, rate of exploitation increased as well. That was the process in RMH's presidency. And also percentage of irregular workers increased under RMH to 55%.
In the dirty Korean politics, a description of being completely clean, upright, and idealistic, without any compromises that is sometimes viewed "stupid" by those who support Hannara Party, the party that seeks to maintain the status quo of their grasp of power and money.
And that is in U.S. political spectrum, there really is no leftist party. U.S. liberals are center-right(like Roh Moo Hyun and Kim Dae Joong). Democratic Party may receive supports from NOW and labor union but significant influences comes from corporation and policy which they supports are for interests of major corporations. In U.S. we don't have parties like Social Democratic Party or Socialist Party in parliament as they do in Europe. Even South Korea have Democratic Labor Party.
Roh Moo Hyun was "the first American styled liberal"? I won't disagree with that. Everything I've criticized about him reflects his liberalism. I recall you said in one of your other video that you are a "liberal" and that you "lead toward left". But thing is liberals might have been leftist camp during bourgeois revolution but since later half of 19th Century liberals were no longer leftists. There is problem and limitation of understanding liberalism-left among American people.
Roh Moo Hyun also gave tax cuts for rich while increase more tax against poor for more corporate funding. If you are "anti-corporatist", I don't know how you can respect president Roh. During Roh's presidency, many South Koreans longed for Park Jung Hee and it was Roh's domestic policy that forced many South Koreans to vote for Lee Myung Bak. But in reality, Roh and Lee shared more of common ground than difference. Now Roh is being missed since Lee's presidency turned into dictatorship.
I think they do have common ground with NK policy. They both wanted a country to be divided. GNP want to remain divided through Bush-style unilateralism while KDJ and RMH wanted to remain divided through neoliberal alternative. KDJ clearly admitted that even "sunshine policy" does work in its principle, unification shouldn't be expected within next 30 years or more. During that process, KDJ wanted gradual process of liberalizing NK market with SK.
This liberalization of NK market(which NK also want) means relocating SK capital to NK while NK provide labor. Even RMH stated that combination of "rich capital" of SK and "rich labor" of NK can be successful for both countries. But for defender of capitalism like RMH, "rich labor" basically means "cheap labor". This "gradual process toward unification" will be very profitable for SK capitalists through cheap labor of NK but it will be profitable for NK.
Since wage will be accumulated in favor of state bureaucrats of NK over NK workers. This will lead to major exploitation of NK as well as increase of unemployment as well as lowering of wages in SK. This "sunshine policy" is thus more profitable for ruling class of both countries while working class will suffer more from it. And KDJ and RMH are supporting this while maintaining two countries divided and preserving "National Security Act" which still recognize NK as an enemy.
Political rhetoric in favor of "sunshine policy" is that NK and SK are developing "relationship". But such relationship is in form of competition for profits rather than genuine progressive diplomacy that will actually make two countries together for actual unification. So in certain sense, there are greater calculated conservatism with KDJ and RMH than GNP when it comes to NK policy. They are supporting "relationship" with NK in order to maintain division.
And we are seeing two opposite side of same coin when it comes to idiocy and naivette of Right and Left in SK. There are mild liberals and defender of Democratic Party who think "sunshine policy" is pro-unification and progressive while hard Right think it is "pro-North Korean" which its actual attempt is to "sell the entire nation to NK and 'communize' it". But they are both wrong and simple minded.
However, I will admit that compare to the fact there we almost had war before KDJ under Kim Young Sam and Clinton as well as today's completely messed up conspiracy fabrication of current SK president, I do think "sunshine policy" was bit better. At least it situated people of both NK and SK in safety.
@unorthodoxtrotsky I dunno about that but 1) there are barely any taxes in korea in the first place2) roh worked to make homes more affordable for everyone. 3) no one wants park jung hee back except staunch conservatives
1) There aren't as many taxes in SK as much as U.S., however SK have least spending for the needs of working class among all OECD nations while U.S. have second least spending for the needs of working class among OECD nations. 2) Actually housing prices increased under RMH's later period. While it took average Koreans to work little less than 10 years to buy houses, during his later term, 10 years of works won't be able to provide houses for average Korean working people.
@unorthodoxtrotsky I hope u are not ignoring the fact that under RMH, There was higher taxes for people with several houses and less property taxes for ppl with one house. Also, in Korea, ppl can save money because renting costs zero for many company workers. The companies like samsung lend couple thousend dollars and the employee lends that to the rental person and they can live in rent for free. Then they save money and buy houses, with minimal property tax, unless u buy like 5 for invest.
I think you misunderstood me. Then again I don't blame you since my point here was that RMH wasn't as progressive as he is perceived as. Which in my opinion was mainly mainstream conservative medias that portrayed him as such (and that gave them greater room to criticize progressivism and Leftist politic as whole) It is undeniable that RMH also had some progressive qualities. But if you look at overall his presidency, he DID served more interests of top richest than others.
I have made reply to you in this regard with numerous cases and I even made my point in regard to numerous Right-leaning characteristics of RMH(he called it "flexible progressive" but in U.S. there is better term called "bipartisanship" or to be more cruel "opportunism") 5 months ago when I first made replies to this video. I don't want to repeat all over again here. Let's not forget that it was RMH's presidency that have caused many people to shift in favor of 2MB.
3) There was a survey that was done during RMH's presidency and 70% of people favored PJH as "best SK's president". Park Noja criticized that many of young people who never had experiences of living under PJH's regime are favoring him. This was also forced Democratic Labor Party to express their concerns. Other Leftist scholar such as Jin Joong Gwon also expressed his criticism of PJH. Common arguments were that economic crisis under RMH have caused people to "homesick" PJH.
And he actually developed new policy that guaranteed these "irregular" workers to become "regular" workers after two years of working for companies. But this gave employers authority to fire them before contracted year have arrived. So while he created new jobs, number of "irregular" workers and unemployment increased. And this led to greater accumulation of capital that profited big corporation and leading greater gap between rich and poor.
"Irregular" workers don't get any benefits or any chance of getting promotion nor can they join union. And when Roh became a president, he did created some new jobs while he totally ignored the problem with "irregular" workers and as a result, number of "irregular" workers have increased. There were already about 52% of "irregular" workers during Kim Dae Joong's presidency but during Roh's presidency, percentage increased to 56%. This made lives of South Korean working class living hell.
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This policy which Roh Moo Hyun supported is very destructive for Korean family businesses and lead to greater exploitation against South Korean working class in the interests of capitalist class of both South Korea as well as U.S. and their investors. He also supported "labor flexibility" which started from Kim Dae Joong. What that is is "structural adjustment" that developed "irregular" workers where these workers are contracted for short period(usually around one or two years) with low wage.
RMH's new policy gave employers chance to fire irregular workers before their contracts ended. This is logic of free market. The fact that RMH was able to pass such policy that guaranteed irregular workers to become regular workers, it didn't challenged employers' freedom to terminate workers before such chance to arrive. This basically showed who's side RMH really was. As I stated that irregular workers increased from 52% during KDJ to 55% during RMH.
Roh Moo Hyun also supported Korea-U.S. FTA which received full supports from Grand National Party and current president Lee Myung Bak. He lost lots of his supporters who eventually led mass demonstration against Korea-U.S. FTA. South Korean market is already liberalized 70%(while most of developed countries are only liberalized less than 50%) mostly in favor of U.S. capitalists and this policy is suppose to increase even more U.S. investments and relocating U.S. capital in South Korea.
He had some anti-American rhetoric during his presidential campaign but what was the first thing he did when he became a president? He supported Bush's invasion of Iraq. This led many of his supporters to street opposing his decision. How about the incident of Pyungtaek in 2006 when he supported expansion of U.S. military territory in Pyungtaek by force demolition of Pyungtaek farmers' houses. He even supported establishing check point through police force to restrict Pyungtaek residents.
I can't believe this video. It is undeniable that he was participant of student protest and the fact that he died from suicide indicate that he have some form of guilty consciousness unlike Kim Dae Joong. And regardless, his death is very saddening and I personally was shock to hear the news of his suicide. However, there is difference between judging him as an individual and as a political leader. You are saying that he had "balls" to stand up to U.S.?
He'll be re-assessed in time. Though opinion is highly polarized now, he was a great man. Every leader does some good and some bad. He took missteps too, afterall it's not easy to please the mass. But he did all he could with integrity and character. Don't see many leaders like that coming from Asia or world for that matter. He'll be missed.
I'm delighted by the fact that you know a lot about BABO Roh Moo Hyun and his political intentions. God bless president Roh and you. Thank you for uploading.
I know what 'babo' means -- I am Korean. And also 'babo Rho Moo Hyun' is, as I stated, a lovely nickname for him among his supporters. The context in which baboRoh is saying does not sound like he's attacking Mr. Rho.
Roh Moo Hyun is a joke. It's like a cult hero, with his devoted followers throwing themselves up on the coffin in tears.
I'll admit I had to celebrate when traitors like Roh Moo Hyun and Kim Dae Jung died. These crooks were so corrupt, spending our tax on their southwestern power base while Seoul's infrastructure suffers. They wasted our tax on North Korea, and for what? Nothing.
Lastly, just forget about those criticizing Roh. Indeed, most Korean Americans do not view Roh as favorites because they are brainwashed by their parents (not everyone though).
And for Korea's modern history, you can see lots of facisms, but no Korean historians ever put these politicians as facists.
They usually deride "the liberal" as the left wing and the red commies, but they are facists, who are more like Hitler of Nazi.
There are many Koreans who consider him and Kim Dae-Jung, one of the greatest president in Korean history. Both men of character, integrity and a sense of justice. Rare thing to see these days in Politics anywhere around the world these days. It's unfortunate the way he was treated in the end. He didn't deserve that at all. It's sickening that Lee Myung-Bak is getting much of the credit for many of the policies and result Roh and Kim started and worked on, and just blamed for mistakes.
It kinda echoes what's going on in America how Bush administration took all the credits Clinton did and blamed everything on Clinton the problem caused during Bush's administration like the way they dealt with Al Qaeda. It's really stupid.
Yeah, I wanted to immigrate to U.S. after my graduation and get a job, but... I wanna go back Korea, fight against those conservatives and see them to go into dusts.
Truly, in my age of 24, I get some idea of how I wanna live on in the future and what I should devote for thanks to Roh.
Bundangbear, You rocks! man. I was truly impressed what you've done to support demacracy, freedom, and respect to the people in Soutk Korea.
It really sucks to see the tyrant. Lee, Myungbak f*cks around with such a great people.. the real problem is the tyrant is super f*cktard and it seems there is not much of hope to the people in Korea unless he got impeached. but that;s unlikely gonna happen at this point. interested to see whats gonna happen in next presidential election..in 2012?
just my opinion, but i found Roh's suicide very cowardly. Really, it was a way to get his wife and son out of the pit, and a way to escape complete humiliation from the black money.
Anyways, let's not let Roh's death make people hate on Lee Myung Bak. He is an amazing president so far. He even donated about 30,000,000$ which is his whole entire fortune, while Roh stole money in contrast.
iL0veCorea?? you need to take some more ESL classes for your freaking Konglish...The current South Korean President, Lee, Myungbak is a serious criminal who actually is F*kng with everyone in South Korea now. I almost puked your freaking kis* a*ss comment on him.. get a real life mozo...
ummmm, i'm pretty sure my comment was straight out English. lol, how is he F*kng with everyone in South Korea? lol, serious criminal? that throws away his whole entire fortune? Do you know his biography? Really, i wonder, how is he Fcking South Korea? xD
well..."seroius criminal?"( yes, he has 14th times in violating with law..) .not sure how you've so facinated by his fakeshow...
"Do you know his biography?" people don't judge people by the"biography" sorry. the entire fortune" was actually madenby snicking out the loophole of tax regulation in Korea which he should return it right away."i wonder, how is he Fcking South Korea? " ask some korean friends if you have around.. if still don't get it..then sorry you're just simply fu*ktard.
rofl xD just look at your profile.. wow, you're such a retard
and your explanations. your fcking crazy xD
snicking out the loophole of tax regulation?
wow, think what you're sad frustrated brain wants to think... just wow. please. continue preaching your anti Lee Myungbak speeches around the internet. PLEASE! xD
well..thought that mine was way better than your freaking cheezy girls.. lol.
let me strait it out for your jepordized, poor soul...I don't preach no one. It's all up to people outthere who make a decison.I don't get it why you're so freaking out what I said about Lee Myungbak?Was it hurting you? D*cktard, listen up stupid fat f*ck.
what I believe is that many South Korean people chosed very "wrong'person in last time presidential election..if you still don't get it, coz you're fu*ktard.
becuz ur sheeping wat the korean media is saying. shitfucks~ RMHs act is shitall compared to the acts of corruption from korea's past governments. and dont blame 2MB? y the fuck not? he basically cornered RMH into a corner using the media and koreas police force just to find a way to burn RMH's parliamentary party. he was using this small incident and pushing it to an extent like no other just becuz 2MB the faggot is in the opposing party of RMH. which was totally unecessary. FUCK 2MB
Should bear make a vid about the possibly of murder? He was telling me he was afraid it would be disrespectful. What do you think? I want him to make the vid!
which pisses me off....RMH will be remembered in our hearts for his great deeds to our country....
to all those faggots that r blaming RMH for accepting bribery and shit. SHUT THE FUCK UP~ yea he did admit he did that, so wat? it wasnt even that much money for a person of his position. men like jun doo hwan who ordered the killing of several hundred koreans opposing his presidential campaign just to become president are still walking around without any blame and yet, u all start blaming RMH ..
RMH was a great president who stood up to high officials from the US and sought unification with NK~ which i think is something SK really needs to really and truly include themselves in world power. but america is preventing SK and NK to unify becuz america wishes to use SK as a military base against china in times to come~ since china is a growing power. rich faggots/officials in korea dont think of the welfare of korea and just suck american dick all day
agreed and it's not a suicide, but a murder by the dirty media and the puppet prosecution. what does really piss me off is that it seems there's no way to stop them at least for 4 yrs. sighs
Thank you for understanding Koreans true feeling. Ofcourse there are some people who doesn't agree but most of the people now know what he truely did for us.. Anyways I am very impressed your knowledge about us... Did you major Korean history(if it exist)?
감사합니다 I live in Bundang where I work as a copy editor, and I like to learn about Korean history and politics. I've lived in Korea off and on since 2003. I have an MA in linguistics.
The cause of former President Roh's death must be INVESTIGATED very carefully. Alot of conservative politicians along with the current president Lee Myung-bak have deep hatred and dislike Roh's pass policies.
Is it really a suicide???....or a premeditated MURDER?? Was Roh jumped or he was pushed down the mountain by someone else? Former President Roh's body guards and Lee Myung-bak administration should be considered as the possible suspects and investigated agressively.
Your comment was marked as spam. Feel free to post again. Now that we've had the funeral, I think it is appropriate to begin to at least discuss the issue, people!
The more I hear this Bundangbear I wonder about two things:
(1) Are you a self-hating American? Maybe you are.....
(2) Please don't tell me you're some English teacher in Korea b/c if that's the case the English education system in Korea has an even longer way to go than our democracy.
I still blame Kim DaeJoong for killing Pres. Noh, and I believe he gave all the money to North Korea for the nuclear missiles...
EVERYBODY stop blaming Lee Myung Bak and personally technically it's Noh's fault for killing himself for bribes and sudden depression... anyway, I oppose North Korean converging with the south...
i agree its kim that gave out shit load of money to nkorea and also noh was one who start the whole thing by saying mb ruin the country n stuff, if was mb and i heard that i would do the same thing, n also ppl say its not suicide, y would you go for hike when u are in searched... confident when he admit that he was being bribed? no i think he dont want ppl to no more about what he did. n its my opinion
The 16th President of the Republic of Korea was no different fundamentally from the Presidents he stood up to in the 1980s. Balls to stand up or to give NK the bombs that can be used against the ROK? This gushing over RMH is overdramatic... is that the only thing you've learned in Korea? How to be f**king dramatic??? Do you also admire Eliot Spitzer b/c I don't see any difference.. at least Spitzer had balls to face his wrongdoing like a man.
It was very pitiful funeral. I did not see South Korean flags --- do all the Roh lovers that unpatrotic or stupid? Ex prez and not one loser brought a flag...that tells you something...good riddence. he was a thief anda commie lover!!! All you Roh lovers better defend your country when that crazy North Korean bomb your asses. DO NOT COME BEGGING FOR HELP TO U.S. OR JAPAN!!!!! WE TOLD YOU SOOOOO! Viva South Korea!!! President Park Chung Hee was the MAN!!!
I love Korea with all my heart, and I want to do what is best for Korea. But 20 million Koreans are starving and suffering. The Sunshine Policy did nothing to solve the problem.
The Sunshine Policy (1998-2008) has had 10 years to bear fruit. So what were the fruit?
Kim Dae Jung and Roh Moo Hyun giving tax from South Korea to North Korea to make nuclear bomb? Nuclear tests in 2006?
Cloe, you are now trying to instigate trouble between Koreans; thus you are permanently banned from my site. Please just leave me alone and do not contract me again, you uyoku dantai. You are a Japanese man living in Australia who is far right wing and is trying to destroy Korea form within by trying to get 2MB and RMH supports to fight EACH OTHER. For that behavior, you can not be forgiven. Again, if you contact me again, you will be reported. (by me as well as about 1,000 Koreans.)
CLOE is a uyoku dantai Japanese right wing member who has constantly befriended me and tried to debate without name calling, only for me to lose his trust again and again. He now banned for good. Yes, he's a Japanese man who lives in Australia.
why do you think Korean market crashed after Lee Myung Bak? do you have any evidence for that? why was Korean GDP increasing when Roh Moo hyun was there? What makes you think Pres Lee is doing? don't you know that he is a Japanophile?
What do you mean by "Japanophile"? You seem to be using that simply as a label.
I want you to explain to me how Lee Myung Bak has done something that is against the interests of South Korea but instead favours Japan. Oh, but you can't.
South Korea is a free country. Being friends with other free countries makes sense. You might need a friend, when attacked by North Korea, Russia, or China.
As I mentioned before, I think that Roh Mu-Hyeon was playing to the xenophobia and anti-Americanism back in 2002 and 2003, if not directly promoting it.
I like Lee Myeong-Pak better in that regard; ie. he seems more foreign-friendly. However, I think that Lee is wrong in saying that he won't seek any formal apologies from Japan for past colonial crimes, or a reworking of the 1965 treaty, which was greatly flawed in Japan's favour.
It's hard for SK to get a perfect and unbiased leader.
We say Imperialism is bad. But I think we are more obsessed with imperialism than any other ethnic group. We say that we have to regain Manchuria as it is our lost territory. If you ask Koreans of their opinion on this, I bet 99 out of 100 will say. "Yes, Manchuria is our land and we have to restore it." What Manchurians would think of this? I don't think we are of "Manchurian" culture, either. Koreans desire to build an imperialist country while they say they are victims of imperialism. lol
Who are these 99 out 100 you are talking about? Who says Koreans desire to do that? NOT a single school, one of my friends being a middle school teacher teaching Korean history, I've ever heard of teaching that we should restore that part of land. We learn that we were victims but we were also taught to learn lessons not to let those atrocities repeat themselves, but to move forward. What kind of teacher taught you that? Stop spreading nonsense. As if you know anything.
you bet it that doesnt mean its a fact ur opinion is not a fact dont say all thoes bullshit and u knw Manchuria is chinese land stupid ass hole... north korea is between manchuri and korea dont u know how to read maps /?
Wow what did I even say about Manchuria NOT being part of China? I said Koreans do not learn to restore or do whatever related to that part of land. Are you dyslexic? Kid, go to school and learn to READ first.
People forget what should be talked about here. Those who even hated Roh should either shut up if they don't want to offer condolences or feel sorry for him to have passed that way. What's wrong people talking about "facts" and "figures" to defame the late president? These people really do not have an iota of human decency.
A number of South Koreans have bragged to me considerably about how fantastic Samsung is, how Korea will dominate semiconductors, how the Korean economy is growing while Japan's is stagnating, etc. I see so much pride about Korea's accomplishments. So where is your pride,
dalurae?
Nobody is holding South Korea back. South Korea is prosperous, and you should be proud. I don't understand why you want to compare SK to Zimbabwe.
My pride lies in many Koreans' efforts and commitments to leading better lives - and I am proud of what many Koreans have done so far. But what you talked about 'my pride' is again one of your futile attempts to blur the truths - the essence of what we should be talking about here - nobody is holding South Korea back, I didn't say I wasn't proud of what Koreans have done. I didn't even talk about Zimbabwe. Put on your eyeglasses.
South Koreans pretend the IMF hurt South Korea. Nobody forced South Korea to borrow from the IMF. The economy quickly stablised, and South Korea repaid all the money ahead of schedule. Before Thatcher, even the UK needed IMF help. The IMF is not a tool for destroying South Korea!
If South Korea ever got all the things it pretends to wish for (no free trade, no US bases, no help from the IMF) what kind of poor, undefended nightmare would South Korea be today? Ah, It would be like North Korea.
Who the heck did even talk about IMF? You wanna show off your knowledge? Then stop Youtubeing and get out and gather people around whoever are willing to your nonsense, fact lover. You must have wikipediaed all your life. Good job. Facts have blinded you.
In South Korea there were so many protests against a free trade agreement with the USA but ZERO protests about a free trade agreement with the EU. It seems that there was nothing wrong with free trade. It was only an excuse to attack the USA.
South Korea's electronic and automotive exports have high value added. What kind of future does South Korea want? High tech or agricultural? Reducing tariffs on South Korean goods is far more important than keeping some agricultural products out.
And on takeshima they give out ilegal Japanese anime copy prints but they complained about anime hetalia(when the hetalia is not aniti Korea or goverment owned)
Robot Taekwon should be stoped ,seeing it is the nternational action ran by the Korean Government that is eligal....
Japan and the USA are two, free and democratic countries that have been allies and friends of South Korea.
If the USA did not protect South Korea in the Korean War, South Koreans would be starving or being tortured like people in North Korea.
Destroying good relations with the USA and Japan will not make South Korea "independent" like North Korea. North Korea is one of the most hated, isolated country on earth.
Engagement, friendship with an evil dictator is absurd, like Neville Chamberlain.
Workers are a minority in Korea. The most voters are self-employed or work on construction sites.
xxwzaebd 1 year ago
He was a great president but he made one last big mistake-he antagonised the landowners who form at least 70% of Korean voter base. Korea's history was formed fundamentally different than Europe's where widespread land ownership is not possible.
xxwzaebd 1 year ago
Wow, this vid has had permanent honors for 17 months. It started as #1.
#66 - Spotlight Videos) - News & Politics - South Korea
bundangbear 1 year ago
I love this video, 분당베어 (^_^)
I have never watched such a great video in English like this.
mOOn
mhhwang2002 1 year ago
Roh deserves credit for everything you said and more Bundang. As I read somewhere in other tributary clip, he truly fought for 90% of the common folk instead of 10% elite and corporate interest. How often in the history of politics in anywhere around the world including USA the beacon of democracy that this happens? Rarely. If ever. And for that, he was politically assassinated. He may have taken his life but he has inspired the masses. I'd like to see 2MB try to match that.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
I feel sad for the Prez Roh but still he is a disgrace to Koreans in the eyes of the world since he commited suicide after people found out that he took money from many lobbists in Korea.
sinxjohn92ab 1 year ago
@sinxjohn92ab thats what the media says. most netizens find evidence its not suicide. Also he did not take money. His wife recived a watch and hanara party is using that as their evidence. and they expect us to believe it was suicide.. He was in the middle of writing a great book and was active in teaching koreans. .
mountedantman 1 year ago
unorthodoxtrotsky knows nothing. Where do you get ur info? Not Chosun Ilbo? Dont listen to unorthro
mountedantman 1 year ago
@mountedantman
Any idiot can tell me that I know "nothing" but it takes intelligence to back your statement. I am definitely not getting my reference from Chosun Ilbo. To assume anyone who are criticial toward RMH is simply "Right-wing" is nonsense. Vast majority of actual Leftists in SK were critical toward RMH from every journalists in Hankyureh to members of Democratic Labor Party. "SK-U.S. FTA" was originated by RMH and "Media Insult Law" was also originated by him as well.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@unorthodoxtrotsky
ok, u know something, but how can journalists say anything good about roh when the hanara party is loading each and every one with "gift money". Also the newspapers loudly made it seem as the economy died under roh but in actually there was more growth than under 2mb.
mountedantman 1 year ago
@mountedantman
For your information, Hankyureh wasn't funded by GNP. You are mistaken independent progressive media with mainstream medias who are funded by same corporations that also fund "business friendly" party like GNP. Hankyureh's columnists like Hong Se Hwa and Park Noja(who is also university professor) criticized RMH for being closer to GNP. Other independent journalist like Kim Kyu Hwang and historian Han Hong Koo also criticized RMH for his pro-corporate policy.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
Politician such as Shim Sang Jung who was a member of Democratic Labor Party(she's currently a member of New Progressive Party) also criticized RMH that there really is no clear distinction from GNP to himself. GNP's connection have nothing to do with this since GNP doesn't have any connection with these individuals. These individuals are also strongly critical toward GNP. You are right about fabrication that mainstream media have made about SK's economy under RMH.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
As much as you are right that economy have developed during RMH's presidency(actually economy was developing since KDJ's presidency), such market-oriented anaylsis are misleading. First, while economy did improved, accumulation of capital also increased as well. So under RMH, although economy have developed, more wealth was concentrated for corporations while relatively lesser amount of wealth went to workers. While economy developed, lives of SK's working class gotten worst.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
And we must not forget that although economy developed under RMH(and KDJ), rates of irregular workers also increased. It was 52% during KDJ and it increased to 55% under RMH and now it is 60% under 2MB. Irregular workers only get paid half of what regular workers are getting paid. So while economy developed under RMH, overall wages declined which made lives of working people more difficult even though economy have developed. Same principle also exist under 2MB as well.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
I know many South Koreans are extremely frustrated with current president and so do I. And it is also understandable that today's South Koreans actually misses RMH. But it is wrong to assume that RMH and LMB are representation of political dichotomy in SK when he was often accused of being no different from GNP.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@unorthodoxtrotsky ok, dont u even know that roh was basically poor because he spent the money that was allowed for private use for initiating his vision ? what is ur statement. is roh corrupt, or incompetent, or misled, or indulging?
mountedantman 1 year ago
@mountedantman
My point was whether it is 2MB or RMH, they lead politic that was supported and funded by big corporations which means politics(regardless of whether it was RMH or is 2MB) will serve the interest of big corporations rather than common people of SK.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@unorthodoxtrotsky idk bout that but RMH benefitted both the rich and poor compared to other presidents. Just because some of his policies promoted economic growth doesnt mean the rest of the citizen suffer as a result. THe growth of corporations like samsung and hyndai like never before broght revenue into korea and it was managed so that more money circulated andd benefitted everyone with social welfare servicees.
mountedantman 1 year ago
@mountedantman
"RMH benefitted[sic] both the rich and poor compared to other presidents"? I didn't said RMH was the worst president. NO. lol I will prefer RMH over any other presidents before KDJ. But you have to understand your statement. Benefiting both rich and poor isn't as equal as it might sound considering the gap between rich and poor(SK have 2nd highest gap between rich and poor among OECD nations). Benefits were distributed out of economic growth.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
However, benefits for poor relatively declined in relation to actual economic growth under RMH. So while rich don't need any benefits received benefits while poor needs more benefits received it while there were greater economic growth. So compare to actual rise of values, rise of wages and benefits for poor was RELATIVELY lower. This was dynamic phenomena of economy and classes in SK under KDJ, RMH and 2MB.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
And as you said, profits did increased for major corporations in SK under RMH, But there are various factors we need to take a look at. All SK's major corporations have nearly 50% of foreign investments. Samsung have little more higher than 50% foreign investments. And they are mostly American investments. And yes, this helps SK's major corporations to grow but at same time, that amount of profits also accumulated back to foreign investors
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
This system minimized the growth of wages for Korean workers. Also note, why are SK corporations so desirable for foreign investments to begin with? SK corporations are desirable (and one of reason) is due to low paid irregular workers. It is great chance for foreign investors to make money by spending it less. So despite some rise of wages, vast majority of profits have(and still are) accumulated for SK capitalists and foreign investors while leaving workers few.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
Yes, there were rise of "few" but in relation to actual economic growth, it still is very "few". Also major corporations like Samsung and Hyundai only represents 20% of SK's corporations and majority of them are smaller corporations. Workers who are employed under these major corporations are 10% of all employed workers in SK. Thing about SK's major corporations are they rely on Japanese small corporations' raw productions.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
And these small Japanese corporations are actually being benefited through growth of SK big corporations which leaves raw production making SK small corporations more underdeveloped and become more marginalized from competitions. This also forces small corporations to increase accumulation of capital in order to maintain competitions and leaves greater exploitation of SK's 90% of both regular and irregular workers.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
So yes, there are rise of wages and benefits for poor working class(and this was specially so under RMH) but it is insignificant in relation to actual economic growth and development of major corporations that benefits SK capitalists, foreign investors(mostly Americans) and Japanese corporations. This have been common neoliberal economic policy that was shaped by KDJ and developed by RMH and 2MB. RMH even refer to himself as "Leftist neoliberal". That is nonsense!
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@unorthodoxtrotsky
@unorthodoxtrotsky
Do you think that many of the rises for the working class could have been because of actual class struggle eg union action and fear of working class discontent, rather than RMH being benovalent? I read that in 2004 wages increased for the first time since the economic crisis of the late 90s, however I also read that this was also the time when the unions took more aggressive steps towards improving the conditions of workers.
marxian00 1 year ago
@marxian00
I think many of the rises for working class was due to their anger and disappointment against RMH. Rise of wages during 2004 may have caused by workers' struggle but I think rate of accumulation increased as well. So despite the rise of wages, rate of exploitation increased as well. That was the process in RMH's presidency. And also percentage of irregular workers increased under RMH to 55%.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
고맙습니다. (_ _) (- _ -) ( _ _)
rosedale1004 1 year ago
"Babo" in the context:
In the dirty Korean politics, a description of being completely clean, upright, and idealistic, without any compromises that is sometimes viewed "stupid" by those who support Hannara Party, the party that seeks to maintain the status quo of their grasp of power and money.
minjae34 1 year ago
@minjae34 Thanks for teaching me. It took me awhile to understand that. Now I feel so stupid!
bundangbear 1 year ago
Thank you so much. I really appreciate your speaking about our president. We always miss him. He is my hero, too. I really miss him.
happylgdonkey 1 year ago
thank you for this video and doing this. Thank you so much.
skfroekfrl 1 year ago
I thank you, too
yuleehwang 1 year ago
Thank you.
ooridoori 2 years ago
And that is in U.S. political spectrum, there really is no leftist party. U.S. liberals are center-right(like Roh Moo Hyun and Kim Dae Joong). Democratic Party may receive supports from NOW and labor union but significant influences comes from corporation and policy which they supports are for interests of major corporations. In U.S. we don't have parties like Social Democratic Party or Socialist Party in parliament as they do in Europe. Even South Korea have Democratic Labor Party.
unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
Roh Moo Hyun was "the first American styled liberal"? I won't disagree with that. Everything I've criticized about him reflects his liberalism. I recall you said in one of your other video that you are a "liberal" and that you "lead toward left". But thing is liberals might have been leftist camp during bourgeois revolution but since later half of 19th Century liberals were no longer leftists. There is problem and limitation of understanding liberalism-left among American people.
unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
Roh Moo Hyun also gave tax cuts for rich while increase more tax against poor for more corporate funding. If you are "anti-corporatist", I don't know how you can respect president Roh. During Roh's presidency, many South Koreans longed for Park Jung Hee and it was Roh's domestic policy that forced many South Koreans to vote for Lee Myung Bak. But in reality, Roh and Lee shared more of common ground than difference. Now Roh is being missed since Lee's presidency turned into dictatorship.
unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
@unorthodoxtrotsky You must admit they had NO common ground on NK policy, right? We could use Roh right now! RIP RMH!
bundangbear 1 year ago
@bundangbear
I think they do have common ground with NK policy. They both wanted a country to be divided. GNP want to remain divided through Bush-style unilateralism while KDJ and RMH wanted to remain divided through neoliberal alternative. KDJ clearly admitted that even "sunshine policy" does work in its principle, unification shouldn't be expected within next 30 years or more. During that process, KDJ wanted gradual process of liberalizing NK market with SK.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@bundangbear
This liberalization of NK market(which NK also want) means relocating SK capital to NK while NK provide labor. Even RMH stated that combination of "rich capital" of SK and "rich labor" of NK can be successful for both countries. But for defender of capitalism like RMH, "rich labor" basically means "cheap labor". This "gradual process toward unification" will be very profitable for SK capitalists through cheap labor of NK but it will be profitable for NK.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@bundangbear
Since wage will be accumulated in favor of state bureaucrats of NK over NK workers. This will lead to major exploitation of NK as well as increase of unemployment as well as lowering of wages in SK. This "sunshine policy" is thus more profitable for ruling class of both countries while working class will suffer more from it. And KDJ and RMH are supporting this while maintaining two countries divided and preserving "National Security Act" which still recognize NK as an enemy.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@bundangbear
Political rhetoric in favor of "sunshine policy" is that NK and SK are developing "relationship". But such relationship is in form of competition for profits rather than genuine progressive diplomacy that will actually make two countries together for actual unification. So in certain sense, there are greater calculated conservatism with KDJ and RMH than GNP when it comes to NK policy. They are supporting "relationship" with NK in order to maintain division.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@bundangbear
And we are seeing two opposite side of same coin when it comes to idiocy and naivette of Right and Left in SK. There are mild liberals and defender of Democratic Party who think "sunshine policy" is pro-unification and progressive while hard Right think it is "pro-North Korean" which its actual attempt is to "sell the entire nation to NK and 'communize' it". But they are both wrong and simple minded.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@bundangbear
However, I will admit that compare to the fact there we almost had war before KDJ under Kim Young Sam and Clinton as well as today's completely messed up conspiracy fabrication of current SK president, I do think "sunshine policy" was bit better. At least it situated people of both NK and SK in safety.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@bundangbear they had no common ground. Myung bak destroyed everything RMH worked for.
mountedantman 1 year ago
@unorthodoxtrotsky I dunno about that but 1) there are barely any taxes in korea in the first place2) roh worked to make homes more affordable for everyone. 3) no one wants park jung hee back except staunch conservatives
mountedantman 1 year ago
@mountedantman
1) There aren't as many taxes in SK as much as U.S., however SK have least spending for the needs of working class among all OECD nations while U.S. have second least spending for the needs of working class among OECD nations. 2) Actually housing prices increased under RMH's later period. While it took average Koreans to work little less than 10 years to buy houses, during his later term, 10 years of works won't be able to provide houses for average Korean working people.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@unorthodoxtrotsky I hope u are not ignoring the fact that under RMH, There was higher taxes for people with several houses and less property taxes for ppl with one house. Also, in Korea, ppl can save money because renting costs zero for many company workers. The companies like samsung lend couple thousend dollars and the employee lends that to the rental person and they can live in rent for free. Then they save money and buy houses, with minimal property tax, unless u buy like 5 for invest.
mountedantman 1 year ago
@mountedantman
I think you misunderstood me. Then again I don't blame you since my point here was that RMH wasn't as progressive as he is perceived as. Which in my opinion was mainly mainstream conservative medias that portrayed him as such (and that gave them greater room to criticize progressivism and Leftist politic as whole) It is undeniable that RMH also had some progressive qualities. But if you look at overall his presidency, he DID served more interests of top richest than others.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
I have made reply to you in this regard with numerous cases and I even made my point in regard to numerous Right-leaning characteristics of RMH(he called it "flexible progressive" but in U.S. there is better term called "bipartisanship" or to be more cruel "opportunism") 5 months ago when I first made replies to this video. I don't want to repeat all over again here. Let's not forget that it was RMH's presidency that have caused many people to shift in favor of 2MB.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@mountedantman
3) There was a survey that was done during RMH's presidency and 70% of people favored PJH as "best SK's president". Park Noja criticized that many of young people who never had experiences of living under PJH's regime are favoring him. This was also forced Democratic Labor Party to express their concerns. Other Leftist scholar such as Jin Joong Gwon also expressed his criticism of PJH. Common arguments were that economic crisis under RMH have caused people to "homesick" PJH.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
And he actually developed new policy that guaranteed these "irregular" workers to become "regular" workers after two years of working for companies. But this gave employers authority to fire them before contracted year have arrived. So while he created new jobs, number of "irregular" workers and unemployment increased. And this led to greater accumulation of capital that profited big corporation and leading greater gap between rich and poor.
unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
"Irregular" workers don't get any benefits or any chance of getting promotion nor can they join union. And when Roh became a president, he did created some new jobs while he totally ignored the problem with "irregular" workers and as a result, number of "irregular" workers have increased. There were already about 52% of "irregular" workers during Kim Dae Joong's presidency but during Roh's presidency, percentage increased to 56%. This made lives of South Korean working class living hell.
unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
비정규직 법안의 개정에는 많은 논란이 있지만, 실직적으로 공기업에서 비정규직의 정규직화 과정은 노대통령님 임기때에 적극적으로 진행이 되었습니다. 지금은 그런
작업은 다 중단 되었지요.....
tpaf565 2 years ago
@tpaf565
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unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
This policy which Roh Moo Hyun supported is very destructive for Korean family businesses and lead to greater exploitation against South Korean working class in the interests of capitalist class of both South Korea as well as U.S. and their investors. He also supported "labor flexibility" which started from Kim Dae Joong. What that is is "structural adjustment" that developed "irregular" workers where these workers are contracted for short period(usually around one or two years) with low wage.
unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
@unorthodoxtrotsky before,the workers could be used as irregulars forever. the policy did help to certain extent.
mountedantman 1 year ago
@mountedantman
RMH's new policy gave employers chance to fire irregular workers before their contracts ended. This is logic of free market. The fact that RMH was able to pass such policy that guaranteed irregular workers to become regular workers, it didn't challenged employers' freedom to terminate workers before such chance to arrive. This basically showed who's side RMH really was. As I stated that irregular workers increased from 52% during KDJ to 55% during RMH.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
Roh Moo Hyun also supported Korea-U.S. FTA which received full supports from Grand National Party and current president Lee Myung Bak. He lost lots of his supporters who eventually led mass demonstration against Korea-U.S. FTA. South Korean market is already liberalized 70%(while most of developed countries are only liberalized less than 50%) mostly in favor of U.S. capitalists and this policy is suppose to increase even more U.S. investments and relocating U.S. capital in South Korea.
unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
He had some anti-American rhetoric during his presidential campaign but what was the first thing he did when he became a president? He supported Bush's invasion of Iraq. This led many of his supporters to street opposing his decision. How about the incident of Pyungtaek in 2006 when he supported expansion of U.S. military territory in Pyungtaek by force demolition of Pyungtaek farmers' houses. He even supported establishing check point through police force to restrict Pyungtaek residents.
unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
I can't believe this video. It is undeniable that he was participant of student protest and the fact that he died from suicide indicate that he have some form of guilty consciousness unlike Kim Dae Joong. And regardless, his death is very saddening and I personally was shock to hear the news of his suicide. However, there is difference between judging him as an individual and as a political leader. You are saying that he had "balls" to stand up to U.S.?
unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
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unorthodoxtrotsky 2 years ago
He'll be re-assessed in time. Though opinion is highly polarized now, he was a great man. Every leader does some good and some bad. He took missteps too, afterall it's not easy to please the mass. But he did all he could with integrity and character. Don't see many leaders like that coming from Asia or world for that matter. He'll be missed.
Xentradi97 2 years ago
I'm delighted by the fact that you know a lot about BABO Roh Moo Hyun and his political intentions. God bless president Roh and you. Thank you for uploading.
jaeshim1 2 years ago
watch?v=5KBcNXhopPA
hallaelementary 2 years ago
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Roh muhyun and Kim daejung fight against the real irregularities and corruption.
rlaeodnjsdmsWKddla 2 years ago
My god, how I admired Roh...
BabyEater9000 2 years ago
I'm not sure you're convinced.. if not, I'd like you to google "바보 노무현" and see for yourself.
Anyway, thank you so much for your video showing respect and sadness for our president! I'm so moved!
revised1 2 years ago
I know what 'babo' means -- I am Korean. And also 'babo Rho Moo Hyun' is, as I stated, a lovely nickname for him among his supporters. The context in which baboRoh is saying does not sound like he's attacking Mr. Rho.
revised1 2 years ago
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Roh Moo Hyun is a joke. It's like a cult hero, with his devoted followers throwing themselves up on the coffin in tears.
I'll admit I had to celebrate when traitors like Roh Moo Hyun and Kim Dae Jung died. These crooks were so corrupt, spending our tax on their southwestern power base while Seoul's infrastructure suffers. They wasted our tax on North Korea, and for what? Nothing.
LogieBeatsLies 2 years ago
'oh miss president Noh so much.......we won't stop improve our democracy....love freedom and respect and democracy and open minded president.
futbolfutbolworld 2 years ago
Lastly, just forget about those criticizing Roh. Indeed, most Korean Americans do not view Roh as favorites because they are brainwashed by their parents (not everyone though).
And for Korea's modern history, you can see lots of facisms, but no Korean historians ever put these politicians as facists.
They usually deride "the liberal" as the left wing and the red commies, but they are facists, who are more like Hitler of Nazi.
I don't know why they put name on like Facists.
approbation87 2 years ago
There are many Koreans who consider him and Kim Dae-Jung, one of the greatest president in Korean history. Both men of character, integrity and a sense of justice. Rare thing to see these days in Politics anywhere around the world these days. It's unfortunate the way he was treated in the end. He didn't deserve that at all. It's sickening that Lee Myung-Bak is getting much of the credit for many of the policies and result Roh and Kim started and worked on, and just blamed for mistakes.
Xentradi97 2 years ago
It kinda echoes what's going on in America how Bush administration took all the credits Clinton did and blamed everything on Clinton the problem caused during Bush's administration like the way they dealt with Al Qaeda. It's really stupid.
Xentradi97 2 years ago
Hi, thanks for posting ur opinions.
Yeah, I wanted to immigrate to U.S. after my graduation and get a job, but... I wanna go back Korea, fight against those conservatives and see them to go into dusts.
Truly, in my age of 24, I get some idea of how I wanna live on in the future and what I should devote for thanks to Roh.
approbation87 2 years ago
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approbation87 2 years ago
Bundangbear, You rocks! man. I was truly impressed what you've done to support demacracy, freedom, and respect to the people in Soutk Korea.
It really sucks to see the tyrant. Lee, Myungbak f*cks around with such a great people.. the real problem is the tyrant is super f*cktard and it seems there is not much of hope to the people in Korea unless he got impeached. but that;s unlikely gonna happen at this point. interested to see whats gonna happen in next presidential election..in 2012?
TheVoiceeofTruth 2 years ago
Whoever is going to be a next president of South Korea, he (or she) isn't going to be like Roh.
jinroggubi 2 years ago
just my opinion, but i found Roh's suicide very cowardly. Really, it was a way to get his wife and son out of the pit, and a way to escape complete humiliation from the black money.
Anyways, let's not let Roh's death make people hate on Lee Myung Bak. He is an amazing president so far. He even donated about 30,000,000$ which is his whole entire fortune, while Roh stole money in contrast.
iL0veCorea 2 years ago
iL0veCorea?? you need to take some more ESL classes for your freaking Konglish...The current South Korean President, Lee, Myungbak is a serious criminal who actually is F*kng with everyone in South Korea now. I almost puked your freaking kis* a*ss comment on him.. get a real life mozo...
TheVoiceeofTruth 2 years ago
ummmm, i'm pretty sure my comment was straight out English. lol, how is he F*kng with everyone in South Korea? lol, serious criminal? that throws away his whole entire fortune? Do you know his biography? Really, i wonder, how is he Fcking South Korea? xD
iL0veCorea 2 years ago
well..."seroius criminal?"( yes, he has 14th times in violating with law..) .not sure how you've so facinated by his fakeshow...
"Do you know his biography?" people don't judge people by the"biography" sorry. the entire fortune" was actually madenby snicking out the loophole of tax regulation in Korea which he should return it right away."i wonder, how is he Fcking South Korea? " ask some korean friends if you have around.. if still don't get it..then sorry you're just simply fu*ktard.
TheVoiceeofTruth 2 years ago
rofl xD just look at your profile.. wow, you're such a retard
and your explanations. your fcking crazy xD
snicking out the loophole of tax regulation?
wow, think what you're sad frustrated brain wants to think... just wow. please. continue preaching your anti Lee Myungbak speeches around the internet. PLEASE! xD
iL0veCorea 2 years ago
well..thought that mine was way better than your freaking cheezy girls.. lol.
let me strait it out for your jepordized, poor soul...I don't preach no one. It's all up to people outthere who make a decison.I don't get it why you're so freaking out what I said about Lee Myungbak?Was it hurting you? D*cktard, listen up stupid fat f*ck.
what I believe is that many South Korean people chosed very "wrong'person in last time presidential election..if you still don't get it, coz you're fu*ktard.
TheVoiceeofTruth 2 years ago
how much are you getting paid to post these comments for Lee myungbak, iLOveCorea?
순 알바아냐 ㅡ.ㅡ
qordnwn 2 years ago
DJ>>RMH>>PJH>>>>>>>>>>>>the unbreakable wall of 4th dimensional space>>>>>>>>>the rest of Korean presidents>>>>>2mb
WingedCity01 2 years ago
That's a great comment. Well done Bundangbear.
Jordmate 2 years ago
You have extensive understanding and knowledge of Korea and Mr.Rho..
i'd like to say thank you....
May he rest in peace...
buffalo0909 2 years ago
RIp Noh.
5+++++for educating the masses
MorganTheTyrant 2 years ago
Much love Morgan! I've on Phish tour. Here now in Effingham, Illinois.
bundangbear 2 years ago
good
hanRyuWave 2 years ago
PERMA HONORS!
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seouldave69 2 years ago
btw sorri Bundang for swearing on ur video~ ur a great man....
for ur a man who speaks his mind.... and doesnt sheep wat the media shits out.
but u gotta understand....ignorant blind fucks commenting on this video just pissed me off~
*subscribe*
dealerOFthings 2 years ago
becuz ur sheeping wat the korean media is saying. shitfucks~ RMHs act is shitall compared to the acts of corruption from korea's past governments. and dont blame 2MB? y the fuck not? he basically cornered RMH into a corner using the media and koreas police force just to find a way to burn RMH's parliamentary party. he was using this small incident and pushing it to an extent like no other just becuz 2MB the faggot is in the opposing party of RMH. which was totally unecessary. FUCK 2MB
RIP RMH
dealerOFthings 2 years ago
Should bear make a vid about the possibly of murder? He was telling me he was afraid it would be disrespectful. What do you think? I want him to make the vid!
seouldave69 2 years ago
hmm~ since its bundangbear....he can make a vid and pull anything off....y not?
he will just be speaking his mind....
dealerOFthings 2 years ago
That's right, he can make a vid about anything!
Bear 4 president!
seouldave69 2 years ago
which pisses me off....RMH will be remembered in our hearts for his great deeds to our country....
to all those faggots that r blaming RMH for accepting bribery and shit. SHUT THE FUCK UP~ yea he did admit he did that, so wat? it wasnt even that much money for a person of his position. men like jun doo hwan who ordered the killing of several hundred koreans opposing his presidential campaign just to become president are still walking around without any blame and yet, u all start blaming RMH ..
dealerOFthings 2 years ago
bro my thought are exactly like urs~
RMH was a great president who stood up to high officials from the US and sought unification with NK~ which i think is something SK really needs to really and truly include themselves in world power. but america is preventing SK and NK to unify becuz america wishes to use SK as a military base against china in times to come~ since china is a growing power. rich faggots/officials in korea dont think of the welfare of korea and just suck american dick all day
dealerOFthings 2 years ago
고맙습니다.
marin808 2 years ago
agreed and it's not a suicide, but a murder by the dirty media and the puppet prosecution. what does really piss me off is that it seems there's no way to stop them at least for 4 yrs. sighs
doolee10 2 years ago
i'd seriously rather have you as a president than MB for skorea.. lol. like seriously thats coming from the bottom of my heart.
raiseplus 2 years ago
감사합니다
bundangbear 2 years ago
Hey, you're the great man.
I really thank you for loving Korea.
2mbbs 2 years ago
감사합니다
bundangbear 2 years ago
THIS VIDEO IS HOT BRO NICE
dirkdarkside 2 years ago
yer man :)
TheOioink 2 years ago
Thanks. Thanks Thanks.
Watereel 2 years ago
천만에요 천만에요 천만에요
bundangbear 2 years ago
Thank you for understanding Koreans true feeling. Ofcourse there are some people who doesn't agree but most of the people now know what he truely did for us.. Anyways I am very impressed your knowledge about us... Did you major Korean history(if it exist)?
e001996 2 years ago
감사합니다 I live in Bundang where I work as a copy editor, and I like to learn about Korean history and politics. I've lived in Korea off and on since 2003. I have an MA in linguistics.
bundangbear 2 years ago
All the doubt is solved on this video.
watch?v=9ATZG6pyY88
PCUSERONLINE 2 years ago
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The cause of former President Roh's death must be INVESTIGATED very carefully. Alot of conservative politicians along with the current president Lee Myung-bak have deep hatred and dislike Roh's pass policies.
Is it really a suicide???....or a premeditated MURDER?? Was Roh jumped or he was pushed down the mountain by someone else? Former President Roh's body guards and Lee Myung-bak administration should be considered as the possible suspects and investigated agressively.
BruceLeeKickYoAss4 2 years ago
Your comment was marked as spam. Feel free to post again. Now that we've had the funeral, I think it is appropriate to begin to at least discuss the issue, people!
bundangbear 2 years ago
▶◀ 죄송합니다. 사랑합니다, 노짱...
wowns8451 2 years ago
The more I hear this Bundangbear I wonder about two things:
(1) Are you a self-hating American? Maybe you are.....
(2) Please don't tell me you're some English teacher in Korea b/c if that's the case the English education system in Korea has an even longer way to go than our democracy.
blaugrana77 2 years ago
I still blame Kim DaeJoong for killing Pres. Noh, and I believe he gave all the money to North Korea for the nuclear missiles...
EVERYBODY stop blaming Lee Myung Bak and personally technically it's Noh's fault for killing himself for bribes and sudden depression... anyway, I oppose North Korean converging with the south...
dwk331 2 years ago
i agree its kim that gave out shit load of money to nkorea and also noh was one who start the whole thing by saying mb ruin the country n stuff, if was mb and i heard that i would do the same thing, n also ppl say its not suicide, y would you go for hike when u are in searched... confident when he admit that he was being bribed? no i think he dont want ppl to no more about what he did. n its my opinion
kmk0091 2 years ago
The 16th President of the Republic of Korea was no different fundamentally from the Presidents he stood up to in the 1980s. Balls to stand up or to give NK the bombs that can be used against the ROK? This gushing over RMH is overdramatic... is that the only thing you've learned in Korea? How to be f**king dramatic??? Do you also admire Eliot Spitzer b/c I don't see any difference.. at least Spitzer had balls to face his wrongdoing like a man.
blaugrana77 2 years ago
I agree with you. What message does his selfish action convey? Kill yourself when you encounter problems? Suicide is the only way to save face?
VascoPolonia 2 years ago
It was very pitiful funeral. I did not see South Korean flags --- do all the Roh lovers that unpatrotic or stupid? Ex prez and not one loser brought a flag...that tells you something...good riddence. he was a thief anda commie lover!!! All you Roh lovers better defend your country when that crazy North Korean bomb your asses. DO NOT COME BEGGING FOR HELP TO U.S. OR JAPAN!!!!! WE TOLD YOU SOOOOO! Viva South Korea!!! President Park Chung Hee was the MAN!!!
jck2001abc 2 years ago
I'll never forget you....My Father
koreanoyes 2 years ago
who's your uncle? Kim Jong ILLL
yeh, you will never forget roh was 2 faced thief!!
jck2001abc 2 years ago
Roh and DJ Kim is the big fan/ supporter of Kim Jongil and his kingdom. South Koreans deserve da atomic bomb, a gift from da King KIm.
lycos888 2 years ago
Your mom deserves an atomic bomb. Have fun.
dalurae 2 years ago
dalurae/ My mom died in July 14, 2003.
lycos888 2 years ago
U deserve what?
junghok70 2 years ago
Aren't you that guy Cloe? is hating Korea all you do?
BestlikeMike 2 years ago
I love Korea with all my heart, and I want to do what is best for Korea. But 20 million Koreans are starving and suffering. The Sunshine Policy did nothing to solve the problem.
The Sunshine Policy (1998-2008) has had 10 years to bear fruit. So what were the fruit?
Kim Dae Jung and Roh Moo Hyun giving tax from South Korea to North Korea to make nuclear bomb? Nuclear tests in 2006?
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago
Cloe, you are now trying to instigate trouble between Koreans; thus you are permanently banned from my site. Please just leave me alone and do not contract me again, you uyoku dantai. You are a Japanese man living in Australia who is far right wing and is trying to destroy Korea form within by trying to get 2MB and RMH supports to fight EACH OTHER. For that behavior, you can not be forgiven. Again, if you contact me again, you will be reported. (by me as well as about 1,000 Koreans.)
bundangbear 2 years ago
CLOE is a uyoku dantai Japanese right wing member who has constantly befriended me and tried to debate without name calling, only for me to lose his trust again and again. He now banned for good. Yes, he's a Japanese man who lives in Australia.
bundangbear 2 years ago
기획재정부가 30일 발표한 2009년 예산.기금안에 따르면 보건.복지 분야 지출은 73조7천억원으로 2008년보다 9.0% 늘려 잡았다. 이 가운데 예산은 12.2% 늘린 22조6천439억원, 기금은 7.6% 증액한 51조665억원으로 구성돼 있다.
President Lee increased welfare spending much more than President Roh.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago
why do you think Korean market crashed after Lee Myung Bak? do you have any evidence for that? why was Korean GDP increasing when Roh Moo hyun was there? What makes you think Pres Lee is doing? don't you know that he is a Japanophile?
BestlikeMike 2 years ago
US market crashed. World market crashed. Lee is not doing well but that doesnt make that Roh did well.
kmynsb 2 years ago
What do you mean by "Japanophile"? You seem to be using that simply as a label.
I want you to explain to me how Lee Myung Bak has done something that is against the interests of South Korea but instead favours Japan. Oh, but you can't.
South Korea is a free country. Being friends with other free countries makes sense. You might need a friend, when attacked by North Korea, Russia, or China.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago
every Koreans love Roh, and you hate Roh. So, do you hate every Koreans? I know you're just Jap living in Australia. Please, say it
BestlikeMike 2 years ago
I have proof from my insight program that he is in AUS.
bundangbear 2 years ago
As I mentioned before, I think that Roh Mu-Hyeon was playing to the xenophobia and anti-Americanism back in 2002 and 2003, if not directly promoting it.
I like Lee Myeong-Pak better in that regard; ie. he seems more foreign-friendly. However, I think that Lee is wrong in saying that he won't seek any formal apologies from Japan for past colonial crimes, or a reworking of the 1965 treaty, which was greatly flawed in Japan's favour.
It's hard for SK to get a perfect and unbiased leader.
mahaliqbal 2 years ago
May he rest in peace.
EastSeaOfPeace 2 years ago
So, all presidents of Korea have been cought or killed after losing their jobs and the opposing political group allways wins....
The history doesnt change...
Korea is still a dummy country of America...
gunnota 2 years ago
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AnnaFrancois 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
to gunnota below, That's not true, not all the presidents. please check it out first, before you look down Korea people
AnnaFrancois 2 years ago
Yeah all exept the first....
gunnota 2 years ago
Your respect towards him is so respectable..Bun Dang Bear, you're a great person...
hiphopbus 2 years ago
well, he HAD balls. now..just ashes. no more balls!!! how funny...am i not funny?!
cloebuckingham - you da man!!!!
jck2001abc 2 years ago
i can tell u that ur not funny but an asshole
skysoft1987 2 years ago
We say Imperialism is bad. But I think we are more obsessed with imperialism than any other ethnic group. We say that we have to regain Manchuria as it is our lost territory. If you ask Koreans of their opinion on this, I bet 99 out of 100 will say. "Yes, Manchuria is our land and we have to restore it." What Manchurians would think of this? I don't think we are of "Manchurian" culture, either. Koreans desire to build an imperialist country while they say they are victims of imperialism. lol
lycos888 2 years ago
Who are these 99 out 100 you are talking about? Who says Koreans desire to do that? NOT a single school, one of my friends being a middle school teacher teaching Korean history, I've ever heard of teaching that we should restore that part of land. We learn that we were victims but we were also taught to learn lessons not to let those atrocities repeat themselves, but to move forward. What kind of teacher taught you that? Stop spreading nonsense. As if you know anything.
dalurae 2 years ago
are u korean? do u live in korea? this guy lives in korea i think he knows better what korea is like then you are
skysoft1987 2 years ago
Just because he has more numbers at his fingertips? You made me laugh. One of those kids. lol
dalurae 2 years ago
you bet it that doesnt mean its a fact ur opinion is not a fact dont say all thoes bullshit and u knw Manchuria is chinese land stupid ass hole... north korea is between manchuri and korea dont u know how to read maps /?
skysoft1987 2 years ago
Wow what did I even say about Manchuria NOT being part of China? I said Koreans do not learn to restore or do whatever related to that part of land. Are you dyslexic? Kid, go to school and learn to READ first.
dalurae 2 years ago
R u a Chinese?
One question..Why Chinese built 'Great Wall' if manchria is a part of China?
The wall is between china and mancuria anyway.
crocreek 2 years ago
People forget what should be talked about here. Those who even hated Roh should either shut up if they don't want to offer condolences or feel sorry for him to have passed that way. What's wrong people talking about "facts" and "figures" to defame the late president? These people really do not have an iota of human decency.
dalurae 2 years ago
A number of South Koreans have bragged to me considerably about how fantastic Samsung is, how Korea will dominate semiconductors, how the Korean economy is growing while Japan's is stagnating, etc. I see so much pride about Korea's accomplishments. So where is your pride,
dalurae?
Nobody is holding South Korea back. South Korea is prosperous, and you should be proud. I don't understand why you want to compare SK to Zimbabwe.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago
My pride lies in many Koreans' efforts and commitments to leading better lives - and I am proud of what many Koreans have done so far. But what you talked about 'my pride' is again one of your futile attempts to blur the truths - the essence of what we should be talking about here - nobody is holding South Korea back, I didn't say I wasn't proud of what Koreans have done. I didn't even talk about Zimbabwe. Put on your eyeglasses.
dalurae 2 years ago
South Koreans pretend the IMF hurt South Korea. Nobody forced South Korea to borrow from the IMF. The economy quickly stablised, and South Korea repaid all the money ahead of schedule. Before Thatcher, even the UK needed IMF help. The IMF is not a tool for destroying South Korea!
If South Korea ever got all the things it pretends to wish for (no free trade, no US bases, no help from the IMF) what kind of poor, undefended nightmare would South Korea be today? Ah, It would be like North Korea.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago
Who the heck did even talk about IMF? You wanna show off your knowledge? Then stop Youtubeing and get out and gather people around whoever are willing to your nonsense, fact lover. You must have wikipediaed all your life. Good job. Facts have blinded you.
dalurae 2 years ago
When America attacks Korea 21.2% say they shoukd attack Japan[
31.2% obey America
47.6% want to help North Korea....
See that..?
Koreans seem anti North Korea but they are North Korea friendly...
gunnota 2 years ago
In South Korea there were so many protests against a free trade agreement with the USA but ZERO protests about a free trade agreement with the EU. It seems that there was nothing wrong with free trade. It was only an excuse to attack the USA.
South Korea's electronic and automotive exports have high value added. What kind of future does South Korea want? High tech or agricultural? Reducing tariffs on South Korean goods is far more important than keeping some agricultural products out.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago
3929kidnaped、 328ships stolen 44killed by the Korean military to swap 500 criminals in Jail is what the Koreans did at Takeshima...
And the Korean military is planning to fight against Japan(Somehow the Korean president doesnt have control over it and the American commander does)
gunnota 2 years ago
And know the loooong Irak wall?
Koreans painted Takeshima is Korea on it.....
And on takeshima they give out ilegal Japanese anime copy prints but they complained about anime hetalia(when the hetalia is not aniti Korea or goverment owned)
Robot Taekwon should be stoped ,seeing it is the nternational action ran by the Korean Government that is eligal....
gunnota 2 years ago
And another.....
It Takeshima problem really done by Koreans who want to do that..?
The presidents o Korea dont have much power over the Korean military and the American commander is having the power....
And the American president has 100% power over the US force....
And Koreans suddenly killed and kidnaped Japanese to swap for 500 Korean criminals....(mainly rapers)
gunnota 2 years ago
Japan and the USA are two, free and democratic countries that have been allies and friends of South Korea.
If the USA did not protect South Korea in the Korean War, South Koreans would be starving or being tortured like people in North Korea.
Destroying good relations with the USA and Japan will not make South Korea "independent" like North Korea. North Korea is one of the most hated, isolated country on earth.
Engagement, friendship with an evil dictator is absurd, like Neville Chamberlain.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago