this scene is not in Death in Venice, its from Thomas Mann's Docktor Faustus, based on an ancdotae of young Nietszche in a brothel in Leipzig. I think it shows young Aschenbach rejecting the dyonisian temptation wich is going to haunt him in his elder years
@adambombiswaycool They weren't very well thought of in those days, either. A big part of the book consists of Aschenbach's attempts to rationalize the attraction as purely aesthetic. For a long time, he's able to convince himself that he admires the boy as the embodiment of an ideal form -- his own words made flesh, you might say. Because he's so good at fooling himself, the attraction is free to possess him more completely than it could have done had he acknowledged its true nature.
@adambombiswaycool I agree with you. Still... Reading the book, I don't think that man is really a pedophile. It's more like he's an "old" man who aches to feel young again. And probably seeing this young, beautiful boy, he thinks he can be young again. And anyway, he didn't act on his "target", so I don't think there's really anything wrong with you.
Do you think there might be another way to look at this? A great musician who loses his creative spirit at the same as he loses his wife and daughter ..it would unhinge anybody . . do you think the prostitute in the brothel looks like his wife? and Tadzio looks like his daughter? trying to find his lost family . ..
@daddysw the brothel scene is a metaphor of the impotence he feels at his inability to speak to Tadzio, nothing to do with his family.... actually, in the novel, he has been a widower for years, and his daughter is alive. Visconti made his daughter die to make it closer with Mahler's life, whose daughter did die as a child
This is not child porn, this is about a men who discovers beauty in venice (it's not very hard) in a boy as an ideal of men annd youth, lost for that men, just like in the Roman-greec antiquity. Good good good!!!!!! And the mahler music only makes it even better!
@ana061197 Oh you are mistaken! It is "child porn." I'd like to help build the "stocks" and put them in the center of the town. Burn the witch? Sarcasm?
@ana061197 Nice try, but you can't argue with fools. If all they see is child pron, then that's all they deserve. Also this is actually based on a real experience of novelist Thomas Mann who met a boy that he said, "exuded an almost supernatural beauty and grace". Except for stalking and dying, it is completely true. Google 'The Real Tadzio'. The real boy was named Adzio and didn't even know a story was written about him until he saw the film in 1971. He was in his 80s by then.
It is simply a movie about a professor who suddenly feels himself in the spell of a young adolsescent. Both are trapped in Venice due to a plague (which would kill the professor later in the movie).
@rayito2005 .. im 14 female i saw this film 3 time 2weeks ago on sky movie channel. im tryingto understand it. the boy was guy and the old man became obessed by the boys beauty by why it the old and try to make himself look younger by dieing his hair and putting make up on ? was it so the boy could become attracted or for attention .i think the boy was gay ! errrrrr they should have put a beautyful mediterranean 15 year old girl to play the part instead of this guy boy !
- in some scenes man can see the television antennas on the rooftops of the houses in Venice
- in some scenes the ladies had diner while wearing their big hats. But that is daywear. During evenings ladies wore jewels or hair adornments, no hats.
That was a disappointing lousy and wrongful mise-en-secène.
Boerenfox: I trust you about the antennas (and I don't give a f***, I must confess), but are you sure about the hats. It would be a little surprising that Visconti, seeped in that world from the start by his birth, would commit such a gross inexcatitude.
Bogarde holding the newspaper while his eyes ( the camera lens ) makes a slow panning of the "salone " detailing all the decorations of it and the people waiting the call for supper and the caressing curiosity for every member of Tadzio's family till the grandiose , royal like entrance of the unforgettable Silvana Mangano.
What is Tadzio playing?
thomaswatling1 5 months ago
@thomaswatling1 Für Elise by Beethoven
Bluzme 4 months ago
Discovery of homosexuality. Mahler is indeed great. Pity the volume is so low in this particular scene.
Magenta408 6 months ago
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stinemuffinpuff 1 year ago
@stinemuffinpuff
You have no idea what "boring" means.
FungusMossGnosis 11 months ago
this scene is not in Death in Venice, its from Thomas Mann's Docktor Faustus, based on an ancdotae of young Nietszche in a brothel in Leipzig. I think it shows young Aschenbach rejecting the dyonisian temptation wich is going to haunt him in his elder years
MariscalBresnev 1 year ago
Today, men like this are called pedophiles.
adambombiswaycool 1 year ago
@adambombiswaycool
have you seen this movie?
it was pure love that symbolized the fragile beauty of Venice
this man is dazzled by so much grace et never touch that child
the end is tragic, il died of cholera when he could have left
MegaHEIWA 1 year ago
@adambombiswaycool They weren't very well thought of in those days, either. A big part of the book consists of Aschenbach's attempts to rationalize the attraction as purely aesthetic. For a long time, he's able to convince himself that he admires the boy as the embodiment of an ideal form -- his own words made flesh, you might say. Because he's so good at fooling himself, the attraction is free to possess him more completely than it could have done had he acknowledged its true nature.
moogamax 1 year ago 4
@adambombiswaycool Oh please !!!!
rogston39 11 months ago
@adambombiswaycool I agree with you. Still... Reading the book, I don't think that man is really a pedophile. It's more like he's an "old" man who aches to feel young again. And probably seeing this young, beautiful boy, he thinks he can be young again. And anyway, he didn't act on his "target", so I don't think there's really anything wrong with you.
albuorkka 9 months ago
@adambombiswaycool Sry, wrong with him of course.
albuorkka 9 months ago
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@adambombiswaycool "Today, men like this are called pedophiles" Yeah, they are - and wrongly.
jegspillerpiano 4 months ago
Beautiful.
simonesmiths 1 year ago
Do you think there might be another way to look at this? A great musician who loses his creative spirit at the same as he loses his wife and daughter ..it would unhinge anybody . . do you think the prostitute in the brothel looks like his wife? and Tadzio looks like his daughter? trying to find his lost family . ..
daddysw 1 year ago
@daddysw yes, your version of events I feel the same..
chrystalballs 1 year ago
@daddysw the brothel scene is a metaphor of the impotence he feels at his inability to speak to Tadzio, nothing to do with his family.... actually, in the novel, he has been a widower for years, and his daughter is alive. Visconti made his daughter die to make it closer with Mahler's life, whose daughter did die as a child
MrMartinportnoy 1 year ago
This is not child porn, this is about a men who discovers beauty in venice (it's not very hard) in a boy as an ideal of men annd youth, lost for that men, just like in the Roman-greec antiquity. Good good good!!!!!! And the mahler music only makes it even better!
ana061197 2 years ago 22
@ana061197 Oh you are mistaken! It is "child porn." I'd like to help build the "stocks" and put them in the center of the town. Burn the witch? Sarcasm?
Lunarwill 8 months ago
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@ana061197 Nice try, but you can't argue with fools. If all they see is child pron, then that's all they deserve. Also this is actually based on a real experience of novelist Thomas Mann who met a boy that he said, "exuded an almost supernatural beauty and grace". Except for stalking and dying, it is completely true. Google 'The Real Tadzio'. The real boy was named Adzio and didn't even know a story was written about him until he saw the film in 1971. He was in his 80s by then.
IYAMNI 2 months ago
Todas las escenas sensacionales,la mùsica de fondo extraordinaria.Làstima que la actuaciòn de Silvana Mangano fuera tan corta
carfogo1946 2 years ago
I'm confused. what the fuck is this movie about? does the boy even talk and whats up with the creepy old dude with the glasses?
DieQuickProductions 2 years ago
It is simply a movie about a professor who suddenly feels himself in the spell of a young adolsescent. Both are trapped in Venice due to a plague (which would kill the professor later in the movie).
Boerenfox 2 years ago
Dear DieQuickProductions, I think it is good that you stay confused.
barbedore 2 years ago 2
@DieQuickProductions Just go back to sleep, everything is fine.
PeterTattersall46 1 year ago
Nice music , i like that symphony .
rayito2005 2 years ago 6
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Crazy how everyone love a movie about a Queer sex freak who lusts and leers over a young boy like that.
Sick sick sick. Child porn is uncool.
PaulDougouba 2 years ago
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@rayito2005 .. im 14 female i saw this film 3 time 2weeks ago on sky movie channel. im tryingto understand it. the boy was guy and the old man became obessed by the boys beauty by why it the old and try to make himself look younger by dieing his hair and putting make up on ? was it so the boy could become attracted or for attention .i think the boy was gay ! errrrrr they should have put a beautyful mediterranean 15 year old girl to play the part instead of this guy boy !
sweetcandy592 1 year ago
brilliant film....I too love the vaporetto arriving in Venice and also the barber shop scene towards the end, where von Aschenbach has his 'makeover'
stadioazteca 2 years ago 2
There are two major omissions in the movie:
- in some scenes man can see the television antennas on the rooftops of the houses in Venice
- in some scenes the ladies had diner while wearing their big hats. But that is daywear. During evenings ladies wore jewels or hair adornments, no hats.
That was a disappointing lousy and wrongful mise-en-secène.
Boerenfox 2 years ago
Boerenfox: I trust you about the antennas (and I don't give a f***, I must confess), but are you sure about the hats. It would be a little surprising that Visconti, seeped in that world from the start by his birth, would commit such a gross inexcatitude.
barbedore 2 years ago
I have two favorites scenes
the vaporetto entering the harbor ( Adagietto )
Bogarde holding the newspaper while his eyes ( the camera lens ) makes a slow panning of the "salone " detailing all the decorations of it and the people waiting the call for supper and the caressing curiosity for every member of Tadzio's family till the grandiose , royal like entrance of the unforgettable Silvana Mangano.
eutuve 2 years ago
Liked Doctor Faustus, huh?
Me too.
Phillipa1 3 years ago 2