venom fangx's 5 parts disapproving is 80% disapproving the theory and 20% other theories of bigbang and proving the bible's explanation to geological phonomenons!!! noel you are saying that it has nothing to do with it, but disapproving big bang and such is just an addition to venom's disapproval, and I think venom does sound intellectual and for everything he gets biblical reference spot on... and just to say there are more people supporting venom than thunderfoot
Venomfangx is mentally ill....Not ill enough to be silly enough to not make money from what hes doing (with his stupid website you can 'donate' too), but ill nonetheless.
Sadly if God exists "THe first will be last". That means him. He is F U C K E D.
you will never get any referance for his charts or anything because they (and most of his actual speech) were taken from Hovind word for word and chart for chart.
It's great your doing this. I've tried commenting (very politely I might add) on VenomfangX's videos, and I never get published. The only comments he allows are ones that go "God bless you. You are amazing" (which he may well post himself from multiple YouTube accounts for all we know). Anyway, keep up the good work.
Yes...I've been bringing up the point of limited genetic diversity and alleles with creaitonists before. Usually, they scratch their heads, don't answer the question, and go off on a random topic like the big bang theory. Basically, they go from not believing in the fundamental, peer-reviewed science of evolutionary theory, to the untested, completely falsified idea that all animals "evolved" from 6000 - 10000 kinds in 4000 years (aka superevolution). Ridiculous!
HAHAHAH ur a fuckin moron LOLOL -- I have friends who believe in evolution and not one of them have said the explosion was an explosion of space. OK OK lets say it was an explosion of space, so... how did u come to this conclusion? i was taught in school it was a rock not space that exploded lol. Did u just pull that out of ur ass?? holy shit dude. I'm not done watching the video yet. Lets see what else you have to say LOL. idiot.
Let me explain to you from the perspective of a graduate mensan 'moron' with hard nosed real life experience how I came to this conclusion. The Big Bang Theory is a scientific theory that is a result of much hypothetical, mathematical and analytical research published in books and peer reviewed reputable journals all of which are not located within the environs of my colon.
It is NOT a conclusion I have reached but a theory I am merely parotting.
Further, your evolution believing friends may have an opinion on the Big Bang BUT the Big Bang is a SEPERATE theory entirely and further, believing in evolution and having a single fucking clue what evolution actually entails are two very seperate things.
I also know two very intelligent people, one who is attending MIT grad school, and both are athiest and do not believe in evolution. This theory was indeed interesting at first I'll admit but its getting old now. Move along like I did. The Big Bang Theory is part of evolution you fuckin retard. There are several steps and categories in the theory of evolution and the Big Bang is the beginning of it. You need to do a lot of catch up work if you want to join in on this debate dumb ass.
Goodgrl86 was me sorry about that. But yea you're a fuckin moron. I don't go to church or do anything religious but at least I know when I smell bullshit. The book of evolution constantly needs to be revised. For fucks sakes open your fuckin eyes.
I don't mind being called out for lack of knowledge but not by someone who uses the phrase 'The Book of Evolution'!!!
WTF is the 'book of evolution'??? Perhaps you should do what I did and read a half dozen or more books ON evolutionary theory and spend less time looking at those 'Big Tit' videos you have in your favourites!
The 'theory of evolution by natural selection' deals with the selection and preponderance of genetic alleles within the gene pool and by a process of mutation and selection gives a mechanism by which inherited traits vary in respond from generation to generation.
You can call me a fucking retard all day and as it starts to get dark and night draws in The Big Bang will STILL have FUCK ALL to do with it.
I have no idea where you get that the Big Bang is part of Evolution. It's part of a meta-physic's theory on the creation of the universe. Evolution has to deal with the descent by modification of living organisms in nature. Not to deal with the creation of matter.... at all. But matter's and consequential effect on organisms development.
What school did you go to that taught you that a rock exploded in space? No one says that, you fucking imbecile. Perhaps you should have paid attention a bit more, then you wouldn't be working in Burger King.
Couple of points. It's quite possible for a God to be "Untouchable and unseeable" yet manifest himself at certain times to certain people of his choosing. Through voice, visions, a beam of light, etc. You're projecting human limitations onto a being that has been hypothesized to have created the universe. Your logic is flawed.
As is your description of the Big Bang. Space is emptiness, it is nothing. That's why it's called space. It's the areas between existing matter in which there is no matter. When the Big Bang occurred, matter expanded into the big black nothingness that was already there. Space.
No it didn't. You are wrong and have no understanding of the big bang. There was no nothingness to expand into: tghe Big Bang was as expansion of space more than anything else.
No, you are wrong. Answer this. What lies beyond our universe? Is it not the same thing that was here before the universe came to be? Infinate nothing, infinate blackness. How is that different then space? It's not.
As soon as one person sees God then he is unseeable. Had we cnnected the appropriate sensore on that persons cranium at that time we would have detected this occular event. This is nothing to do with human limitations and it may be true that for the most part God could be undetectable but at least, according to christians, there have been times when he would have been detectable.
You're assuming that Abraham and other supposed witnesses saw God in his entirety. If God exists, with the abilities attributed to him, it's perfectly plausible that he'd be able to manifest himself in ways that don't include making himself "seeable". A blind man can't "see" the Sun, but he can feel it's warmth. It's the man's limitations that keep him from seeing. It's the sun's power that allows it to manifest itself in another way.
i like your analogy, though Abraham did see God and his lad even had a bit of a wrestling match with him.
In any case, I can only see part of the moon but noone would suggest by that score that i am incapable of seeing, or more importantly detecting, the moon.
Isn't it more likely , in fact, that the stories of Abraham and jacob, whilst incompatible with the modern day idea of God are exactly compatible with peoples ideas of god at the time, whether it be Jews, Sumerians or Greeks?
These stories show God in humanoid form precisely because that was peoples expectations at the time. The sophisticated ideas you christians have of your deity now simply didnt exist at the time these stories were formulated.
First, I'm not a Christian. I'm agnostic and don't actually believe any of this. However, If there is a God, then the idea that he may be "unseeable" doesn't really contradict the stories within the Bible. It would be quite possible for a being capable of creating the universe to place visions into a person's head, to create illusions, or even a physical version of himself (a stand in so to speak) capable of making his presence known without actually needing to make himself seeable.
Sure, you can argue that it's more likely those older stories simply fit a more primitive view of God, but just because something is more likely doesn't automatically make it true. It's possible that God simply manifested himself more often in Biblical times, leading men of that time to record such occurrences, while people today are left to wonder.
Doesnt it seem strange he waits around 14 billion years to make an appearance, allows homo sapiens to wanderround for a couple of hundred thousand, then makes a few manifestations of himself JUSTbefore we get advanced enough to record them and then nothing again. Bloody typical!!
The Big Bang is an outward expansion of matter from the center, into the void. If you only consider space to be the area within the universe in which matter exists then fine, but the void was still there before the event. The void is still an infinite realm of blackness (devoid of light) and nothingness (devoid of matter). It's this void that the big bang exploded matter into. Just like the VenomFangX video shows.
Actually, it makes perfect sense that a God who wanted to test the faith of the people on this planet would stop making himself visible once we had reached the point where we could record his presence. At that point faith would no longer be an issue.
Ummm that link really doesn't refute my point. Imagine we have a void. In the void is (of course) nothing at all, no time, no space, no light, no matter. I then place two spheres inside the void, lets call them planets. The area between those two planets is now considered space. It's the space between the two objects. I can even expand space by moving the two planets further apart. Now, lets remove the planets. The "space" between the planets is gone, because the planets are gone.
The area itself however, is unchanged. It was a void before the planets, it's was void while the planets existed, and it's a void when they are gone. The fruitcake analogy presented in your link works this way as well. The expansion of the fruitcake occurs, making the area within the fruitcake's boundaries grow larger. But the void is the area outside of the fruit cake, in which the expansion occurs. The same is true of the universe.
You cannot account for the cosmic background radiation by your means nor could you account for the fact that distant stellar objects are travelling away from us faster than the speed of light. Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, only an expansion of the space inbetween two points can account for this.
Wikipedia has a link 'expansion of space', look it up
"only an expansion of the space inbetween two points can account for this"
Exactly. And I'm not refuting that. What I'm saying is that these two points need to expand into something (the void). The big bang isn't creating the void, it's expanding the distance between two points within the void. Yes, it's expanding the space between the two points, but it doesn't disallow the void. The nothing is still there to begin with.
I'm sorry, but if the only way to interpret the Big Bang theory is that there wasn't even a void, then that theory is just as illogical, unproven and ridiculous as any theological explanation for the universe I've ever seen.
I'm not interpreting the theory, this is science not theology, this IS the theory. A better analogy is a balloon with spots on it. The balloon is a 2d surface in a 3d world. the surface of the balloon is finite but unbounded, go off in one direction and you never reach a wall but eventually come back to where you started (which may well be the case with our universe).
In its enclosed 2d sense there is nothing outside the surface of the balloon. The universe is a similar thing but 3 dimensional expanding in the fourth dimension of time.
You might not like the theory but thats what it is, it makes scientific sense, not common sense (our senses havent evolved to deal with such things so thats no real issue) and the points I made on the video were valid.
You're interpreting the evidence to mean a certain thing. Just because it's " science" doesn't make it a proven fact. When early astrologers believed the world to be the center of the universe they concocted all sorts of BS to explain the movements of the planets around the sun. They were using science, but they were still wrong.
"In its enclosed 2d sense there is nothing outside the surface of the balloon"
As were the writers of the Old Testament who thought the earth was the centre of the universe.
I'm not debating whether the Big Bang is a proven fact with you, it could be a total pile of shite, I'm debating what the theory entails as that was what you called me out on.
Semantics. Call it what you want. Infinite space, an immeasurable void, a big area with nothing in it. It's still a big black nothing in which the universe is currently taking up space. It's here now, this void, this nothing in which the universe is expanding. If it wasn't here before the universe, then what was?
No, you're debating an entire cosmology, based on current extrapolations (guess work) added onto what started out as a sound theory and is fast becoming utter nonsense.
"Oh, you believe the big bang then you have to believe this and this and this as well." It's ridiculous. None of the links you've provided or things you've said actually refute the idea that there was (and is) a large area of nothingness surrounding the universe into which it is currently expanding.
I find the Big Bang to be a plausible explanation for the existence of the universe. I find the idea that there was no void for it to expand into to be completely stupid.
Well, I'll say it again, the theory you find 'plausible' is not the Big Bang theory but your misunderstanding of it.
To be fair though, your 'problem' with what existed before the big bang for 'space to expand into' is actually a non question. Unfortunately the answer, if you believe in the Big Bang, may be no less dissatisfying to you: it is that time started with the Big Bang as well as space so there was no 'before' the big bang.
Honestly, I think it's your misunderstanding. Not mine. Space and time are relative. There was no "before" because there was no occurrences taking place by which to measure time. There was no space, because there were no points to measure distance between. I understand these two concepts perfectly well.
That doesn't mean however, that if we were to rewind time far enough to see the creation of the universe, and beyond, that we would not eventually find ourselves floating in a large black mass of nothing and darkness.
It seems that this is the point you're missing. Of course there was no time or space before the big bang, that doesn't mean there wasn't a hole into which these things have now spilled. The assumption that there wasn't even a hole is going far beyond the mere Big Bang theory itself, into an entirely different set of theories which make up an entire cosmology which uses the Big Bang as a starting point. You don't have to accept the entire cosmology to accept the Bang theory on it's own.
not part of the theory though. Neither would it work how you stated. I mean to say, even if our universe was perhaps 'seeded' in some preexisting one, our time and our space would be wholly independent of the parent universe; we would not be expanding into a hole, the expansion is in our space, in our dimensions.
Your version also has the problem of quantum foam, the fuzzy nature of subatomic particles which means that the nothingness of space is actually a seething mass of stuff popping in and out of existence.
You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm not disagreeing with any of the conclusions being made by science as to how the areas within our universe works. I'm simply stating that there needs to be some sort of area in which our universe exists for it to have room to exist in the first place. This idea doesn't contradict any of the phenomina you listed.
Of course our universe is independent of the parent universe. In this case the parent universe would be nothing but empty space. It's like a hole that you pour water into. The water still acts like water, the hole is just the place where the water sits.
The suggestion that there has to be some 'room to begin with is purely conjecture on your part.
Seconldy, with your water example, the difference is with the water the more you pour in the more space it occupies as the water uses the same dimensions as the bucket. With the universe example as our universe expands within its own set of dimensions that would be independent of the parent universe.
This stuff is not common sense and appealing to common sense it tempting but dangerous.
"The suggestion that there has to be some 'room to begin with is purely conjecture on your part"
So is the suggestion that an incredible large universe can exist without even needing an area to exist in. In my water analogy, the hole is not a "bucket". It's an infinitely large, empty vacuum with no boundaries. You know, like space. It wouldn't matter how much water you pour into the hole, the water would simply float around within the blackness, acting like water.
To the fish who live in the water, the universe would only be made up of the water which could be measured by the fish, the vacuum outside the water could not. The water could expand or contract, change shape, or form based on it's own rules, but that wouldn't negate the vacuum that it exists within. The vacuum is still there, all around it.
Yes, the idea that the universe exists within a preexisting vacuum is common sense. Funny you think that's a bad thing. Better to simply accept ideas that don't make sense because it's the best science can come up with at the time? Even though science is routinely proven wrong pretty much daily?
Just because you can't get your head around the "no void" concept, doesn't mean that it's stupid. It's a difficult concept to understand because from our limited perception of the universe there has to be space for something to expand into. However, what the Big Bang theory says (and always has done) is that space itself is expanding. What, if anything, is "beyond" that, we don't know, but that doesn't invalidate the theory.
I made my point 3 month ago. It's not as complicated as you're making it out to be. I can get my head around the "no void" concept perfectly well. It's not a lack of understanding on my part that concludes that there is a void, it's a lack of understanding on YOUR part that says there isn't one. No, it doesn't invalidate the Big Bang theory. Who said it does? If you don't understand my argument because it's too difficult to understand, then stay out of it.
You said it invalidates the Big Bang thoery? You did. Allow me to quote you: "I find the idea that there was no void for it to expand into to be completely stupid."
Why is this stupid? It is only "stupid" if you apply the human perception of 3-dimensional space. If you can't even remember what you said in your arguements, then I suggest YOU stay out of it!
No, obviously you can't follow the conversation. Allow me to quote myself in it's entirety...
"I find the Big Bang to be a plausible explanation for the existence of the universe. I find the idea that there was no void for it to expand into to be completely stupid."
I went into this all already. Why it's stupid. Why I accept the Big Bang theory as the start of the universe, but not the later cosmology that has been added to it, etc.
I remember EXACTLY what I said, and I said it three months ago. You read it YESTERDAY and still don't get it. I never once said that the Big Bang theory is invalid. FOLLOW THE CONVERSATION! I don't have to time to come back here 3 months later and explain this all AGAIN to someone who is unwilling (or unable) to understand what I wrote the first time around. Atheist troll.
"Because of its name many people think of the Big Bang as a kind of explosion that happened at some specific point in space, but this isn't correct, as the Universe didn't spring from one central ignition point. Instead, during the Big Bang space was first created and then stretched."
you're enititled to your own opinion, but I dnt get why u reply to his videos with hate. you call him a bastard and you call the people who agree with venomfang suckups. They should be able to have their opinion too without you insulting them. you also spend too much time just mocking him, for example you spend half a minute going on about how he said we made a video instead of i made a video. That has nothing to do with anything. You shouldn't get so wound up about something you dont believe in
not really, im saying that if we are wrong and you are right, but we aren't causing you any harm why do you get so shaken up. It seems that you are not happy with your beliefs or jeleous of ours.
jealous is the spelling, and it's because christianity isn't happy with others not believing. they spend most of the time putting fear into people in order to convert them, got millions of suscribers still need some more apparently.
can't help the spelling, had dutch education. anyways, i'm sure there are christians like that, but i personally don't know any. no group of people are perfect. but i guess i've learned that arguing about who's right doesn't really go anywhere.
Much of what religion touches on is not solely the preserve of religion. A biblical interpretation of life treads on areas such as biology, history, geology, cosmology and not to mention the very nature of what it is to be human. I think these are fascinating issues and I love to discuss them with thoughtful believers. I'm maybe a bit more disrespectful to VFX but no more than he deserves imo.
also id like to say for everyone, that the Big Bang is not denied by all creationists, in factx, many influencial Creationists believe that God banged it, Now as for myself, I do not know for i havent seen a very great argument using the other side's in retortion, so i am on the fence there .... But the bible is true none the less
He says people use to live alot longer back then because there was more air. More air means more Air Pressure. Then wouldnt we be able to have lived on. We would be crushed if there was so much more air.
Actually, before the Flood (so it had never rained), the ozone layer was still perfect, and filled with a layer of water (thus doubling the oxygen count). When living creatures have extra oxygen, they are capable of growing much larger. Aside from that, the environment was hugely different than it was today, and as humans and other animals continue to produce generation after generation, we actually lose information from the DNA, so it's possible we were much stronger.
The English King James version of the aint a very good translation. This is what it realy says... Micah 1:8 Jackal Malachi 1:3 Jackal Isaiah 43:20 Jackal Job 30:29 Jackal Ezeikel 29:3 Crocodiles Jeremiah 9:11 Jackal Psalms 74:13 Crocodile Nahemiah 2:13 Dragon well Deuternonomy 32:33 Snakepoison
Actually, if I may correct you, the Bible actually says that the behemoth had a tail like a cedar tree, the strength was in it's belly, and it was the largest creature that God made. Sounds like a brachiasaurus to me. A crocodile does not have a tail like a cedar tree, nor is its strength in it's belly, nor is it the largest creature in creation.
The rest of the animals have similar explanations, but I could write an essay on that...I don't have enough space here.
Please do write an essay on the Behemoth and share it with a link. What ChristianAnswers say is not very well studdied. maybe you read Wikipedia also?
Ask several Bible commisions. in launguages such as Greek, Latin, Spanish , German, Swedish and you will see that what I wrote is most correct and Ive been doing this type of studdy for 14 years.
Spend a week whole hearted and you will see that my reply was well studdied.
I'm not here for a debate, but simply to make sure the truth is somewhere on this page. But if you look at these translations, even those 800 documents found in the 40 caves (Dead Sea Scrolls, thousands of years old), you will find that all of them match word-for-word with current texts, which backs up what I have previously stated. Cedar tree tail, strong belly, huge.
I respect that you have "studdied" for a long time, but I once believed as you do and allowed the proof to speak for itself.
Einstein showed that time and space are manifestations of the same thing; spacetime. Spacetime is finite and had a beginning. Because spacetime is finite matter itself also has to be finite. Matter cannot exist without space or time. Without space, where do you put matter? Without time, when do you put matter? In advance of matter and spacetime there was nothing. Matter and spacetime could not have come from nothing. They had to be created by something that existed without matter and spacetime.
I wish people would stop that nonsense. Spaghetti is a freakin' pasta. If we have it right before us and we can see that it is created how did it create us? It makes no sense so quit trying to use it. Grow up and smell the roses; I hate the flying spaghetti monster more than anything because its not trying to find truth but rather saying well hey, we weren't created by nothing but rather anything! Do you really think we were created from anything?
the spageti monster just how if we take out of the context of what people have been drill into from childhood see some ideas dont stand scientific scrutany like was the pope that try to convict galileo galilei for say what what now is indisputable truth when time pass enough people will accept evolution like they accept now that earth moves around the sun.btw i think you dont understund the logic of the monster you lost the forest for the tree
and besides if the ideas were given by a greater power Intelligent people put intellegent things together to form some sense on another.. of our purpose or non purpose because maybe if we all felt like we didnt have purpose everyone "maybe" (keyword maybe) would go Crazy ...Its frightning but also interesting to put these Ideas together ...Maybe you should both talk one day and see if both of your intelligent minds can figure out what really happened.
most aspects in the bible I believe but I do feel that even though on one of venoms videos he states God made the bible (which I get where hes was going with that) it was accually man that sat down and wrote it (several man just like science that wrote theories regardless of how close a bible writer is towards history or how close a scientist is as well thats not the point)
I luv deep conversations like this but the point I think he was trying to prove about the population noelplum99 is the whole theory if humans did live millions of years ago(and my time is off I know) then there would of been alot more people but then again if there was alot of people then there would be no way of proving it besides bones...your thoughts and Vemons are very Interesting...
Thank you again for an interesting video. I must admit, seeing all that Creationism is doing with Christian backing, i am tempted to look into Buddism as that isnt impairing science. At least from what I have seen.
Do you wonder though, if other powers in the world are enjoying this ID/Creationism vs evolution spat? Because more scientists who are involved with this 'debate' means fewer scientists actively researching into more productive areas of science, thus other nations which dont have ID/Creationism have a chance of overtaking the western world in scientific knowledge? (might be drivel, but its a nasty thought)
I think he says "we" to acknowledge the work of Kent Hovind as, as most people who are aware of Kent Hovinds work will already know, VFX just regurgetates it, verbatim.
In fact in the latest 5 videos it seems to be getting worse, he actually seems to be doing an impression of him. Listen to the way he says "water" Kent pronounces it "Wah-Terr" and now so does VFX. And in the final video when he says "Biiiilllions of years".
Ok I have seen some stupid People in life but WoW you take the title. First We are all the Same Race there is a 0.012% change in out DNA from all over the Globe 0.012% We are the Human RACE 0.012% Accounts for all Change to make sure you get this 0.012% of our DNA is like a Grain of Sand on a beach... Racism is a Lie also you can't hate the Race you belong too and we are all the Same Race... See how Evolution is so twisted...
Your nyumbers are way out. There is around 0.4% variation in the genomes of any two unrelated people (not unrelated waaay back in time obviously). That is any two, not the total spread, which is larger still, of course.
Really Hmm Account for the 0.012% in the DNA for all of the Human Race and tell me how it is only 0.012% Because That means We could only come from 2 persons male and Female both make up the 0.06% change in Our DNA from our Mothers and Fathers 0.012% If what you are saying is True then Rasicm can happen even if we are all the same Race. WoW Wiki for the Win for you...
I don't know where you get your science from but its suggested that the most recent common ancestor of all of us was about 60,000 years ago. I also don't understand this bullshit you spout about 'if what you say is true racism can happen'........listen here stupid, whoever and whatever is true racism exists, open your eyes and turn on the news!
How can that be we are all one Race.. so how can you have racism. Open your Eyes We are all one Race " Homo sapiens sapiens " So please tell me how you can have Racism if we are all the same Race?
"Exists outside of time and space?" Venomfang has said this wrongly. We believe that God can interact with things inside time and space because God is the one who created time and space and is therefore able to exist in time and space - God is Omnipresent. I think what venomfang is trying to explain though not very clearly is that since God exists before time and space he is not limited by the things which are created in time and space.
God is not limited to the laws of physics. He can do anything. God is unseen but he can show himself to anyone as he wills. It does not matter if the Big Bang was an explosion of or in space. What was it that triggered the Big Bang? You asked, "How can God hear or interact with us if he exists outside of time?" Existing outside of time will not prohibit God from hearing our prayers. God exists without matter, time, space and can do anything.
We've never dealt with true nothingness (meaning the absence of time and space), so we don't know how it behaves. For all we know true nothingness could indeed produce something. We do know of virtual particles that come into existence from essentially nothing in space. An example of this is the casimir effect.
One day nothing exploded and made something. That makes good logic. First you got to say what nothing is how nothing exploded and how nothing became something. Because when you say nothing made something nothing becomes something and created the universe. Not logical even for a simple minded person like me. Something has to make something to be something. This makes a more logical cohesive idea.
It makes logical sense but your logic is based on common experience and modern science, especially relativity and quantum mechanics is testably deomnstrably in contravention to what is logical. You really have no reason to suppose your everyday mundane logic (or mine) should be relevant to a time when the entire universe is smaller than an atom.
Void mean without... Modern Science we can kill each other fast and easyer remmber the Atom... Alot of your World view Idea are Flawed you only see here and now not the past and what is to come. The Bible tells People it all but you refuse to see it because you are blind you must have a answer for it all.
Why do good people Die young and Jerks live forever. Chance flip of a Coin. Nah and when a Foxhole come under fire everyone says O'God inside it....
nope it is True because I am sure IF I stick you in Iraq in a foxhole with Bomb Gun Fire and all the other crap flying around and you just seen you buddy head from the inside out. you would be saying O'GOD or O' My God help me or something to that affect. Not Here I come to say the DAY. " and get a bullet between your eyes.
What Atheists Have a organization. No wait that means they have a Dogma also which means they have a Faith " There is no God " hmm Atheists Sounds like a religion More and More eash day I am on this Mud ball planet called Earth
Thank you for putting in the part about God being unseeable and untouchable. Because when i was younger i was tought that we were made in God's image. If God is untouchable and unseeable, then shouldn't we also be that way?
Something only came from something, mere chance can't create decent order; seeing as though becoming a Christian would benefit me more without risk, I'd rather take that. Scientists have prove nor disprove their claims so, no intellectuality necessary to see the truth, which Scientists(not all), dodge.
thanks for your advice, i always appreciate advice. Perhaops you could elaborate hypermite01, that would help me far more if you showed me which bits of the subject matter im coming up short in and what im failing to understand.
I think it is fairly clear from my vids that I dont have a production team (or at least if i did they should be fired). Note, however, that unlike VFX I never say that 'we' have made a video response.
BTW: you should change your name, i looked on your channel and all the vids linked there were shit, total shit (barring the two deep sea ones), not the best videos ever.
when he says "we", he's talking about creationists, as in their argument against the evolutionists argument, you couldnt figure that out? im glad you liked the deep sea videos, there good huh?
thanks for the thought but i'd rather burn in hell.
the big bang is in textbooks so that kid understand that we don't have the answers to everything in hopes they will think long and hard about it.
my meaning of life is void? It gets me thinking, reading, writing, and questioning. And what rule do we have that says we must have a purpose to life that agrees with the bible? Say that we didn't have religion in the world. then what would be your purpose? would all your morals go away? you are weak.
We are all weak without god. :D. Because you have forsaken god you've had to make up your own meaning of life because science doesn't provide the answer and without a meaning of life there is no worth in life. Without god we are worthless. There could never be a world with no religion. Stop blinding yourself.
Wow you say that as if you've won over atheists. Being a middle of the road agnostic here... Questioning the meaning of life has nothing to do with believing in evolution or not.
By the way Big Bang, how the mysterious soup became life etc etc have NOTHING to do with evolution. Big bang is it's own theory/hypothesis, soup yielding life is abiogenesis. Evolution explains how we observe speciation and differentiation of characteristics.
How the explosion (expansion is so much a better word, can we stop saying explosion please) was caused has a few tentative scientific hypotheses at present, no more. However, I've yet to hear a single christian hypothesis for how god caused either the big bang or 7 day creation, all they ever say is that he did it, not how.
if you pick up the bible it would tell you. Stop depending on us to help you read the bible.
You can't say my religion is wrong if you don't know anything about it. I wonder if god laughs at man's attempt to understand the universe.. when he already wrote down everything we needed to know?
So he didn't have to tell us about the micro-organisms which can kill us? Or that Earth revolves around the Sun? Or how to generate the energy thats running the PC your using?
If you think the bible tells us everything we need to know... then go live the life people used to when the bible was written!
WRONG... this mans arguments are retarded to say the least... i know all about quantem reality and all that does is point to god.. he's all over the place with his retarded logic here, you think this guys smart?... trust me, he's really not.
haha i sent him a super long letter about how every sentence was practically wrong
kp295swiss 2 years ago
yes!
that twat said so much contradicting nonsense i got dizzy and had to lie down.
modevotion1 2 years ago
Thank you for showing what is real.
Aman1212 2 years ago
Ok just want to make clear
venom fangx's 5 parts disapproving is 80% disapproving the theory and 20% other theories of bigbang and proving the bible's explanation to geological phonomenons!!! noel you are saying that it has nothing to do with it, but disapproving big bang and such is just an addition to venom's disapproval, and I think venom does sound intellectual and for everything he gets biblical reference spot on... and just to say there are more people supporting venom than thunderfoot
kurdore2 3 years ago
that means nothing (note that thunderfoot doesnt sensor comments)
TheRealEricLester 2 years ago
why does venomfool even jump to big bang wich has nothing to do with darwin and evolution and are far more philosophical than scientific
mollen19 3 years ago
Venomfangx is mentally ill....Not ill enough to be silly enough to not make money from what hes doing (with his stupid website you can 'donate' too), but ill nonetheless.
Sadly if God exists "THe first will be last". That means him. He is F U C K E D.
WinglebertSlaptibum 3 years ago
you will never get any referance for his charts or anything because they (and most of his actual speech) were taken from Hovind word for word and chart for chart.
CBUEngineer 3 years ago
It's great your doing this. I've tried commenting (very politely I might add) on VenomfangX's videos, and I never get published. The only comments he allows are ones that go "God bless you. You are amazing" (which he may well post himself from multiple YouTube accounts for all we know). Anyway, keep up the good work.
dominickearney 3 years ago
Yes...I've been bringing up the point of limited genetic diversity and alleles with creaitonists before. Usually, they scratch their heads, don't answer the question, and go off on a random topic like the big bang theory. Basically, they go from not believing in the fundamental, peer-reviewed science of evolutionary theory, to the untested, completely falsified idea that all animals "evolved" from 6000 - 10000 kinds in 4000 years (aka superevolution). Ridiculous!
Chimpdaddy 3 years ago
HAHAHAH ur a fuckin moron LOLOL -- I have friends who believe in evolution and not one of them have said the explosion was an explosion of space. OK OK lets say it was an explosion of space, so... how did u come to this conclusion? i was taught in school it was a rock not space that exploded lol. Did u just pull that out of ur ass?? holy shit dude. I'm not done watching the video yet. Lets see what else you have to say LOL. idiot.
crazykimchee 3 years ago
Thanks for your reply Crazykimchee.
Let me explain to you from the perspective of a graduate mensan 'moron' with hard nosed real life experience how I came to this conclusion. The Big Bang Theory is a scientific theory that is a result of much hypothetical, mathematical and analytical research published in books and peer reviewed reputable journals all of which are not located within the environs of my colon.
noelplum99 3 years ago
It is NOT a conclusion I have reached but a theory I am merely parotting.
Further, your evolution believing friends may have an opinion on the Big Bang BUT the Big Bang is a SEPERATE theory entirely and further, believing in evolution and having a single fucking clue what evolution actually entails are two very seperate things.
noelplum99 3 years ago
I also know two very intelligent people, one who is attending MIT grad school, and both are athiest and do not believe in evolution. This theory was indeed interesting at first I'll admit but its getting old now. Move along like I did. The Big Bang Theory is part of evolution you fuckin retard. There are several steps and categories in the theory of evolution and the Big Bang is the beginning of it. You need to do a lot of catch up work if you want to join in on this debate dumb ass.
goodgrl86 3 years ago
Goodgrl86 was me sorry about that. But yea you're a fuckin moron. I don't go to church or do anything religious but at least I know when I smell bullshit. The book of evolution constantly needs to be revised. For fucks sakes open your fuckin eyes.
crazykimchee 3 years ago
One more thing:
I don't mind being called out for lack of knowledge but not by someone who uses the phrase 'The Book of Evolution'!!!
WTF is the 'book of evolution'??? Perhaps you should do what I did and read a half dozen or more books ON evolutionary theory and spend less time looking at those 'Big Tit' videos you have in your favourites!
noelplum99 3 years ago
exactly, it constantly needs to be revised. That's how science works, it updated as we gain more knowledge about nature. So there!!!
peace
contents99 3 years ago
testing
crazykimchee 3 years ago
yes, you are very.
noelplum99 3 years ago
The 'theory of evolution by natural selection' deals with the selection and preponderance of genetic alleles within the gene pool and by a process of mutation and selection gives a mechanism by which inherited traits vary in respond from generation to generation.
You can call me a fucking retard all day and as it starts to get dark and night draws in The Big Bang will STILL have FUCK ALL to do with it.
noelplum99 3 years ago
@goodgrl86
I have no idea where you get that the Big Bang is part of Evolution. It's part of a meta-physic's theory on the creation of the universe. Evolution has to deal with the descent by modification of living organisms in nature. Not to deal with the creation of matter.... at all. But matter's and consequential effect on organisms development.
Kawaiibat 1 year ago
What school did you go to that taught you that a rock exploded in space? No one says that, you fucking imbecile. Perhaps you should have paid attention a bit more, then you wouldn't be working in Burger King.
dominickearney 3 years ago
venomfangx is right, you're wrong
vinnyrus321 3 years ago
Couple of points. It's quite possible for a God to be "Untouchable and unseeable" yet manifest himself at certain times to certain people of his choosing. Through voice, visions, a beam of light, etc. You're projecting human limitations onto a being that has been hypothesized to have created the universe. Your logic is flawed.
spymaster2 3 years ago
As is your description of the Big Bang. Space is emptiness, it is nothing. That's why it's called space. It's the areas between existing matter in which there is no matter. When the Big Bang occurred, matter expanded into the big black nothingness that was already there. Space.
spymaster2 3 years ago
No it didn't. You are wrong and have no understanding of the big bang. There was no nothingness to expand into: tghe Big Bang was as expansion of space more than anything else.
noelplum99 3 years ago
No, you are wrong. Answer this. What lies beyond our universe? Is it not the same thing that was here before the universe came to be? Infinate nothing, infinate blackness. How is that different then space? It's not.
spymaster2 3 years ago
Don't confuse empty space with the absence of space.
Before the big bang there was NOT an infinity of nothingness or blackness, or indeed, if there was, the theory of the big bang is totally wrong.
I'll say it again, the theory of the big bang involves the expansion of space itself, NOT an explosion of matter into a preexisting void.
If you don't like that, fine, but thats the theory.
noelplum99 3 years ago
As soon as one person sees God then he is unseeable. Had we cnnected the appropriate sensore on that persons cranium at that time we would have detected this occular event. This is nothing to do with human limitations and it may be true that for the most part God could be undetectable but at least, according to christians, there have been times when he would have been detectable.
noelplum99 3 years ago
You're assuming that Abraham and other supposed witnesses saw God in his entirety. If God exists, with the abilities attributed to him, it's perfectly plausible that he'd be able to manifest himself in ways that don't include making himself "seeable". A blind man can't "see" the Sun, but he can feel it's warmth. It's the man's limitations that keep him from seeing. It's the sun's power that allows it to manifest itself in another way.
spymaster2 3 years ago
i like your analogy, though Abraham did see God and his lad even had a bit of a wrestling match with him.
In any case, I can only see part of the moon but noone would suggest by that score that i am incapable of seeing, or more importantly detecting, the moon.
Isn't it more likely , in fact, that the stories of Abraham and jacob, whilst incompatible with the modern day idea of God are exactly compatible with peoples ideas of god at the time, whether it be Jews, Sumerians or Greeks?
noelplum99 3 years ago
These stories show God in humanoid form precisely because that was peoples expectations at the time. The sophisticated ideas you christians have of your deity now simply didnt exist at the time these stories were formulated.
noelplum99 3 years ago
First, I'm not a Christian. I'm agnostic and don't actually believe any of this. However, If there is a God, then the idea that he may be "unseeable" doesn't really contradict the stories within the Bible. It would be quite possible for a being capable of creating the universe to place visions into a person's head, to create illusions, or even a physical version of himself (a stand in so to speak) capable of making his presence known without actually needing to make himself seeable.
spymaster2 3 years ago
Sure, you can argue that it's more likely those older stories simply fit a more primitive view of God, but just because something is more likely doesn't automatically make it true. It's possible that God simply manifested himself more often in Biblical times, leading men of that time to record such occurrences, while people today are left to wonder.
spymaster2 3 years ago
Doesnt it seem strange he waits around 14 billion years to make an appearance, allows homo sapiens to wanderround for a couple of hundred thousand, then makes a few manifestations of himself JUSTbefore we get advanced enough to record them and then nothing again. Bloody typical!!
noelplum99 3 years ago
The Big Bang is an outward expansion of matter from the center, into the void. If you only consider space to be the area within the universe in which matter exists then fine, but the void was still there before the event. The void is still an infinite realm of blackness (devoid of light) and nothingness (devoid of matter). It's this void that the big bang exploded matter into. Just like the VenomFangX video shows.
spymaster2 3 years ago
Actually, it makes perfect sense that a God who wanted to test the faith of the people on this planet would stop making himself visible once we had reached the point where we could record his presence. At that point faith would no longer be an issue.
spymaster2 3 years ago
check out the link ive added to the video info pane on the right ---->
noelplum99 3 years ago
Ummm that link really doesn't refute my point. Imagine we have a void. In the void is (of course) nothing at all, no time, no space, no light, no matter. I then place two spheres inside the void, lets call them planets. The area between those two planets is now considered space. It's the space between the two objects. I can even expand space by moving the two planets further apart. Now, lets remove the planets. The "space" between the planets is gone, because the planets are gone.
spymaster2 3 years ago
The area itself however, is unchanged. It was a void before the planets, it's was void while the planets existed, and it's a void when they are gone. The fruitcake analogy presented in your link works this way as well. The expansion of the fruitcake occurs, making the area within the fruitcake's boundaries grow larger. But the void is the area outside of the fruit cake, in which the expansion occurs. The same is true of the universe.
spymaster2 3 years ago
I understand your thinking but it's wrong.
You cannot account for the cosmic background radiation by your means nor could you account for the fact that distant stellar objects are travelling away from us faster than the speed of light. Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, only an expansion of the space inbetween two points can account for this.
Wikipedia has a link 'expansion of space', look it up
noelplum99 3 years ago
"only an expansion of the space inbetween two points can account for this"
Exactly. And I'm not refuting that. What I'm saying is that these two points need to expand into something (the void). The big bang isn't creating the void, it's expanding the distance between two points within the void. Yes, it's expanding the space between the two points, but it doesn't disallow the void. The nothing is still there to begin with.
spymaster2 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but if the only way to interpret the Big Bang theory is that there wasn't even a void, then that theory is just as illogical, unproven and ridiculous as any theological explanation for the universe I've ever seen.
spymaster2 3 years ago
I'm not interpreting the theory, this is science not theology, this IS the theory. A better analogy is a balloon with spots on it. The balloon is a 2d surface in a 3d world. the surface of the balloon is finite but unbounded, go off in one direction and you never reach a wall but eventually come back to where you started (which may well be the case with our universe).
noelplum99 3 years ago
In its enclosed 2d sense there is nothing outside the surface of the balloon. The universe is a similar thing but 3 dimensional expanding in the fourth dimension of time.
You might not like the theory but thats what it is, it makes scientific sense, not common sense (our senses havent evolved to deal with such things so thats no real issue) and the points I made on the video were valid.
noelplum99 3 years ago
"it makes scientific sense, not common sense"
Pure faith.
"the points I made on the video were valid."
So, if we were to look back on the "Big Bang" what exactly does your science say the creation of the universe would look like?
spymaster2 3 years ago
You're interpreting the evidence to mean a certain thing. Just because it's " science" doesn't make it a proven fact. When early astrologers believed the world to be the center of the universe they concocted all sorts of BS to explain the movements of the planets around the sun. They were using science, but they were still wrong.
"In its enclosed 2d sense there is nothing outside the surface of the balloon"
What is "nothing" if not a void?
spymaster2 3 years ago
As were the writers of the Old Testament who thought the earth was the centre of the universe.
I'm not debating whether the Big Bang is a proven fact with you, it could be a total pile of shite, I'm debating what the theory entails as that was what you called me out on.
noelplum99 3 years ago
..... and a void has dimensions, 'nothing' does not.
noelplum99 3 years ago
Semantics. Call it what you want. Infinite space, an immeasurable void, a big area with nothing in it. It's still a big black nothing in which the universe is currently taking up space. It's here now, this void, this nothing in which the universe is expanding. If it wasn't here before the universe, then what was?
spymaster2 3 years ago
No, you're debating an entire cosmology, based on current extrapolations (guess work) added onto what started out as a sound theory and is fast becoming utter nonsense.
"Oh, you believe the big bang then you have to believe this and this and this as well." It's ridiculous. None of the links you've provided or things you've said actually refute the idea that there was (and is) a large area of nothingness surrounding the universe into which it is currently expanding.
spymaster2 3 years ago
I find the Big Bang to be a plausible explanation for the existence of the universe. I find the idea that there was no void for it to expand into to be completely stupid.
spymaster2 3 years ago
Well, I'll say it again, the theory you find 'plausible' is not the Big Bang theory but your misunderstanding of it.
To be fair though, your 'problem' with what existed before the big bang for 'space to expand into' is actually a non question. Unfortunately the answer, if you believe in the Big Bang, may be no less dissatisfying to you: it is that time started with the Big Bang as well as space so there was no 'before' the big bang.
noelplum99 3 years ago
Honestly, I think it's your misunderstanding. Not mine. Space and time are relative. There was no "before" because there was no occurrences taking place by which to measure time. There was no space, because there were no points to measure distance between. I understand these two concepts perfectly well.
spymaster2 3 years ago
That doesn't mean however, that if we were to rewind time far enough to see the creation of the universe, and beyond, that we would not eventually find ourselves floating in a large black mass of nothing and darkness.
spymaster2 3 years ago
It seems that this is the point you're missing. Of course there was no time or space before the big bang, that doesn't mean there wasn't a hole into which these things have now spilled. The assumption that there wasn't even a hole is going far beyond the mere Big Bang theory itself, into an entirely different set of theories which make up an entire cosmology which uses the Big Bang as a starting point. You don't have to accept the entire cosmology to accept the Bang theory on it's own.
spymaster2 3 years ago
Your idea that there is some kind of hole is
noelplum99 3 years ago
whoops!
not part of the theory though. Neither would it work how you stated. I mean to say, even if our universe was perhaps 'seeded' in some preexisting one, our time and our space would be wholly independent of the parent universe; we would not be expanding into a hole, the expansion is in our space, in our dimensions.
noelplum99 3 years ago
Your version also has the problem of quantum foam, the fuzzy nature of subatomic particles which means that the nothingness of space is actually a seething mass of stuff popping in and out of existence.
noelplum99 3 years ago
You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm not disagreeing with any of the conclusions being made by science as to how the areas within our universe works. I'm simply stating that there needs to be some sort of area in which our universe exists for it to have room to exist in the first place. This idea doesn't contradict any of the phenomina you listed.
spymaster2 3 years ago
Of course our universe is independent of the parent universe. In this case the parent universe would be nothing but empty space. It's like a hole that you pour water into. The water still acts like water, the hole is just the place where the water sits.
spymaster2 3 years ago
The suggestion that there has to be some 'room to begin with is purely conjecture on your part.
Seconldy, with your water example, the difference is with the water the more you pour in the more space it occupies as the water uses the same dimensions as the bucket. With the universe example as our universe expands within its own set of dimensions that would be independent of the parent universe.
This stuff is not common sense and appealing to common sense it tempting but dangerous.
noelplum99 3 years ago
"The suggestion that there has to be some 'room to begin with is purely conjecture on your part"
So is the suggestion that an incredible large universe can exist without even needing an area to exist in. In my water analogy, the hole is not a "bucket". It's an infinitely large, empty vacuum with no boundaries. You know, like space. It wouldn't matter how much water you pour into the hole, the water would simply float around within the blackness, acting like water.
spymaster2 3 years ago
To the fish who live in the water, the universe would only be made up of the water which could be measured by the fish, the vacuum outside the water could not. The water could expand or contract, change shape, or form based on it's own rules, but that wouldn't negate the vacuum that it exists within. The vacuum is still there, all around it.
spymaster2 3 years ago
Yes, the idea that the universe exists within a preexisting vacuum is common sense. Funny you think that's a bad thing. Better to simply accept ideas that don't make sense because it's the best science can come up with at the time? Even though science is routinely proven wrong pretty much daily?
spymaster2 3 years ago
Just because you can't get your head around the "no void" concept, doesn't mean that it's stupid. It's a difficult concept to understand because from our limited perception of the universe there has to be space for something to expand into. However, what the Big Bang theory says (and always has done) is that space itself is expanding. What, if anything, is "beyond" that, we don't know, but that doesn't invalidate the theory.
dominickearney 3 years ago
For fuck's sake, enough of the void already! Why does there have to be a void?
dominickearney 3 years ago
I made my point 3 month ago. It's not as complicated as you're making it out to be. I can get my head around the "no void" concept perfectly well. It's not a lack of understanding on my part that concludes that there is a void, it's a lack of understanding on YOUR part that says there isn't one. No, it doesn't invalidate the Big Bang theory. Who said it does? If you don't understand my argument because it's too difficult to understand, then stay out of it.
spymaster2 3 years ago
You said it invalidates the Big Bang thoery? You did. Allow me to quote you: "I find the idea that there was no void for it to expand into to be completely stupid."
Why is this stupid? It is only "stupid" if you apply the human perception of 3-dimensional space. If you can't even remember what you said in your arguements, then I suggest YOU stay out of it!
dominickearney 3 years ago
No, obviously you can't follow the conversation. Allow me to quote myself in it's entirety...
"I find the Big Bang to be a plausible explanation for the existence of the universe. I find the idea that there was no void for it to expand into to be completely stupid."
I went into this all already. Why it's stupid. Why I accept the Big Bang theory as the start of the universe, but not the later cosmology that has been added to it, etc.
spymaster2 3 years ago
I remember EXACTLY what I said, and I said it three months ago. You read it YESTERDAY and still don't get it. I never once said that the Big Bang theory is invalid. FOLLOW THE CONVERSATION! I don't have to time to come back here 3 months later and explain this all AGAIN to someone who is unwilling (or unable) to understand what I wrote the first time around. Atheist troll.
spymaster2 3 years ago
I'll paste the third para:
"Because of its name many people think of the Big Bang as a kind of explosion that happened at some specific point in space, but this isn't correct, as the Universe didn't spring from one central ignition point. Instead, during the Big Bang space was first created and then stretched."
noelplum99 3 years ago
Thats true, in fact everything we experience could be such an illusion.
noelplum99 3 years ago
what?
IgniteStudent 3 years ago
you're enititled to your own opinion, but I dnt get why u reply to his videos with hate. you call him a bastard and you call the people who agree with venomfang suckups. They should be able to have their opinion too without you insulting them. you also spend too much time just mocking him, for example you spend half a minute going on about how he said we made a video instead of i made a video. That has nothing to do with anything. You shouldn't get so wound up about something you dont believe in
vewsong 3 years ago
hmmm, irrelevant me thinks
mrgeorgeallison 3 years ago
not really, im saying that if we are wrong and you are right, but we aren't causing you any harm why do you get so shaken up. It seems that you are not happy with your beliefs or jeleous of ours.
vewsong 3 years ago
jealous is the spelling, and it's because christianity isn't happy with others not believing. they spend most of the time putting fear into people in order to convert them, got millions of suscribers still need some more apparently.
baldfacesinder 3 years ago
can't help the spelling, had dutch education. anyways, i'm sure there are christians like that, but i personally don't know any. no group of people are perfect. but i guess i've learned that arguing about who's right doesn't really go anywhere.
vewsong 3 years ago
To answer your question vewsong.
Much of what religion touches on is not solely the preserve of religion. A biblical interpretation of life treads on areas such as biology, history, geology, cosmology and not to mention the very nature of what it is to be human. I think these are fascinating issues and I love to discuss them with thoughtful believers. I'm maybe a bit more disrespectful to VFX but no more than he deserves imo.
noelplum99 3 years ago
also id like to say for everyone, that the Big Bang is not denied by all creationists, in factx, many influencial Creationists believe that God banged it, Now as for myself, I do not know for i havent seen a very great argument using the other side's in retortion, so i am on the fence there .... But the bible is true none the less
XvBiBleMaNvX 3 years ago
you Su*k A*S WIPE WA*KER ... retarded Uk
snowdude22 3 years ago
I forgot but thanks Rovya for the comment reply.
Also feel free to send a PM if you like to discuss further on the matter.
FactSearch 3 years ago
He says people use to live alot longer back then because there was more air. More air means more Air Pressure. Then wouldnt we be able to have lived on. We would be crushed if there was so much more air.
dandaman2206 3 years ago
Actually, before the Flood (so it had never rained), the ozone layer was still perfect, and filled with a layer of water (thus doubling the oxygen count). When living creatures have extra oxygen, they are capable of growing much larger. Aside from that, the environment was hugely different than it was today, and as humans and other animals continue to produce generation after generation, we actually lose information from the DNA, so it's possible we were much stronger.
Rovya 3 years ago
FactSearch 3 years ago
Actually, if I may correct you, the Bible actually says that the behemoth had a tail like a cedar tree, the strength was in it's belly, and it was the largest creature that God made. Sounds like a brachiasaurus to me. A crocodile does not have a tail like a cedar tree, nor is its strength in it's belly, nor is it the largest creature in creation.
The rest of the animals have similar explanations, but I could write an essay on that...I don't have enough space here.
Rovya 3 years ago
Please do write an essay on the Behemoth and share it with a link. What ChristianAnswers say is not very well studdied. maybe you read Wikipedia also?
Ask several Bible commisions. in launguages such as Greek, Latin, Spanish , German, Swedish and you will see that what I wrote is most correct and Ive been doing this type of studdy for 14 years.
Spend a week whole hearted and you will see that my reply was well studdied.
FactSearch 3 years ago
I'm not here for a debate, but simply to make sure the truth is somewhere on this page. But if you look at these translations, even those 800 documents found in the 40 caves (Dead Sea Scrolls, thousands of years old), you will find that all of them match word-for-word with current texts, which backs up what I have previously stated. Cedar tree tail, strong belly, huge.
I respect that you have "studdied" for a long time, but I once believed as you do and allowed the proof to speak for itself.
Rovya 3 years ago
Rovya, I'll send you a Pm for a longer reply, ps Im Christian by the way
FactSearch 3 years ago
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For all others, Let me know if you are interested in the matter and send me a PM.
FactSearch 3 years ago
Einstein showed that time and space are manifestations of the same thing; spacetime. Spacetime is finite and had a beginning. Because spacetime is finite matter itself also has to be finite. Matter cannot exist without space or time. Without space, where do you put matter? Without time, when do you put matter? In advance of matter and spacetime there was nothing. Matter and spacetime could not have come from nothing. They had to be created by something that existed without matter and spacetime.
Dellnvidia 3 years ago
This can only be God. He is not bound by the Laws of Physics. He is all powerful. There had to be a supernatural power needed to create the Universe.
Dellnvidia 3 years ago
Watch for my response to VFX's part 2, it addresses the idea of God as an eternal being free of time and space in a purely logical manner.
Venaloid 3 years ago
so is the flying spageti monster
kreb7 3 years ago
I wish people would stop that nonsense. Spaghetti is a freakin' pasta. If we have it right before us and we can see that it is created how did it create us? It makes no sense so quit trying to use it. Grow up and smell the roses; I hate the flying spaghetti monster more than anything because its not trying to find truth but rather saying well hey, we weren't created by nothing but rather anything! Do you really think we were created from anything?
SerenityHalo 3 years ago
the spageti monster just how if we take out of the context of what people have been drill into from childhood see some ideas dont stand scientific scrutany like was the pope that try to convict galileo galilei for say what what now is indisputable truth when time pass enough people will accept evolution like they accept now that earth moves around the sun.btw i think you dont understund the logic of the monster you lost the forest for the tree
kreb7 3 years ago
you sound a bit like the late great John Peel , if you just slowed down a bit, are you from the same area? interesting vid btw.
paulspydar 3 years ago
and besides if the ideas were given by a greater power Intelligent people put intellegent things together to form some sense on another.. of our purpose or non purpose because maybe if we all felt like we didnt have purpose everyone "maybe" (keyword maybe) would go Crazy ...Its frightning but also interesting to put these Ideas together ...Maybe you should both talk one day and see if both of your intelligent minds can figure out what really happened.
Danetheproducer 3 years ago
most aspects in the bible I believe but I do feel that even though on one of venoms videos he states God made the bible (which I get where hes was going with that) it was accually man that sat down and wrote it (several man just like science that wrote theories regardless of how close a bible writer is towards history or how close a scientist is as well thats not the point)
Danetheproducer 3 years ago
I luv deep conversations like this but the point I think he was trying to prove about the population noelplum99 is the whole theory if humans did live millions of years ago(and my time is off I know) then there would of been alot more people but then again if there was alot of people then there would be no way of proving it besides bones...your thoughts and Vemons are very Interesting...
Danetheproducer 3 years ago
"Absolute Barmy Bastard"
Awesome :D
TheGreatSimonski 3 years ago
Insulting people personally is not awesome.
gymsocks150 3 years ago
I was commenting on the sheer Britishness of his remark :P
TheGreatSimonski 3 years ago
Thank you again for an interesting video. I must admit, seeing all that Creationism is doing with Christian backing, i am tempted to look into Buddism as that isnt impairing science. At least from what I have seen.
MajinOtaku83 3 years ago
Quick question (call it cynisism):
Do you wonder though, if other powers in the world are enjoying this ID/Creationism vs evolution spat? Because more scientists who are involved with this 'debate' means fewer scientists actively researching into more productive areas of science, thus other nations which dont have ID/Creationism have a chance of overtaking the western world in scientific knowledge? (might be drivel, but its a nasty thought)
MajinOtaku83 3 years ago
I think he says "we" to acknowledge the work of Kent Hovind as, as most people who are aware of Kent Hovinds work will already know, VFX just regurgetates it, verbatim.
In fact in the latest 5 videos it seems to be getting worse, he actually seems to be doing an impression of him. Listen to the way he says "water" Kent pronounces it "Wah-Terr" and now so does VFX. And in the final video when he says "Biiiilllions of years".
If you close your eyes...
tmcthree 3 years ago
Brilliant video again.
Made me laugh out loud how ridiculous you expose Venomfang as being.
TordGrip 3 years ago
You hold some really good points about him man but science can not prove the nothing because something...That is completely unfathomable.
tuxedomask91 3 years ago
This guys arguments are weak.
redgear4566 3 years ago 2
Not as weak as VFX's.
martiallaw09 3 years ago
Ok I have seen some stupid People in life but WoW you take the title. First We are all the Same Race there is a 0.012% change in out DNA from all over the Globe 0.012% We are the Human RACE 0.012% Accounts for all Change to make sure you get this 0.012% of our DNA is like a Grain of Sand on a beach... Racism is a Lie also you can't hate the Race you belong too and we are all the Same Race... See how Evolution is so twisted...
wallbot 3 years ago
Your nyumbers are way out. There is around 0.4% variation in the genomes of any two unrelated people (not unrelated waaay back in time obviously). That is any two, not the total spread, which is larger still, of course.
noelplum99 3 years ago
You just had a dental filling?
gneisenau321 3 years ago
Yes.
noelplum99 3 years ago
Did you say "Uhhh, Jesus" in the beginning of the video?
alwaysriteneverwrong 3 years ago
Of course the first graph didn't take into account Noah's flood, it's from a secular book. Wow.
GodbeatsSatan 3 years ago
That's because Noah's flood didn't happen.
HighwayToHell7 3 years ago
Really Hmm Account for the 0.012% in the DNA for all of the Human Race and tell me how it is only 0.012% Because That means We could only come from 2 persons male and Female both make up the 0.06% change in Our DNA from our Mothers and Fathers 0.012% If what you are saying is True then Rasicm can happen even if we are all the same Race. WoW Wiki for the Win for you...
wallbot 3 years ago
I don't know where you get your science from but its suggested that the most recent common ancestor of all of us was about 60,000 years ago. I also don't understand this bullshit you spout about 'if what you say is true racism can happen'........listen here stupid, whoever and whatever is true racism exists, open your eyes and turn on the news!
noelplum99 3 years ago
How can that be we are all one Race.. so how can you have racism. Open your Eyes We are all one Race " Homo sapiens sapiens " So please tell me how you can have Racism if we are all the same Race?
wallbot 3 years ago
"Exists outside of time and space?" Venomfang has said this wrongly. We believe that God can interact with things inside time and space because God is the one who created time and space and is therefore able to exist in time and space - God is Omnipresent. I think what venomfang is trying to explain though not very clearly is that since God exists before time and space he is not limited by the things which are created in time and space.
gneisenau321 3 years ago
Re: "since God exists before time and space he is not limited by the things which are created in time and space."
Oops I typed it wrongly, what I meant to say was since God exists before time and space he is not limited by the laws which exist in time and space.
gneisenau321 3 years ago
HighwayToHell - Watch the video before you comment.
alwaysriteneverwrong 3 years ago
Is stand by my statement that the flood never happened.
HighwayToHell7 3 years ago
are thoese your strongest points. they kinda help venom.
yeagrowan 3 years ago
God is not limited to the laws of physics. He can do anything. God is unseen but he can show himself to anyone as he wills. It does not matter if the Big Bang was an explosion of or in space. What was it that triggered the Big Bang? You asked, "How can God hear or interact with us if he exists outside of time?" Existing outside of time will not prohibit God from hearing our prayers. God exists without matter, time, space and can do anything.
Dellnvidia 3 years ago
We've never dealt with true nothingness (meaning the absence of time and space), so we don't know how it behaves. For all we know true nothingness could indeed produce something. We do know of virtual particles that come into existence from essentially nothing in space. An example of this is the casimir effect.
HighwayToHell7 3 years ago
One day nothing exploded and made something. That makes good logic. First you got to say what nothing is how nothing exploded and how nothing became something. Because when you say nothing made something nothing becomes something and created the universe. Not logical even for a simple minded person like me. Something has to make something to be something. This makes a more logical cohesive idea.
lonnyonline 3 years ago
It makes logical sense but your logic is based on common experience and modern science, especially relativity and quantum mechanics is testably deomnstrably in contravention to what is logical. You really have no reason to suppose your everyday mundane logic (or mine) should be relevant to a time when the entire universe is smaller than an atom.
noelplum99 3 years ago
Where did you get the Atom in Void space ?
Void mean without... Modern Science we can kill each other fast and easyer remmber the Atom... Alot of your World view Idea are Flawed you only see here and now not the past and what is to come. The Bible tells People it all but you refuse to see it because you are blind you must have a answer for it all.
Why do good people Die young and Jerks live forever. Chance flip of a Coin. Nah and when a Foxhole come under fire everyone says O'God inside it....
wallbot 3 years ago
The no atheists in foxholes argument is one of the stupidest arguments possibly ever invented.
HighwayToHell7 3 years ago
nope it is True because I am sure IF I stick you in Iraq in a foxhole with Bomb Gun Fire and all the other crap flying around and you just seen you buddy head from the inside out. you would be saying O'GOD or O' My God help me or something to that affect. Not Here I come to say the DAY. " and get a bullet between your eyes.
wallbot 3 years ago
There are actually atheists in foxholes and then have formed an organization if you really would like to know. You sir love to spread BS.
HighwayToHell7 3 years ago
What Atheists Have a organization. No wait that means they have a Dogma also which means they have a Faith " There is no God " hmm Atheists Sounds like a religion More and More eash day I am on this Mud ball planet called Earth
wallbot 3 years ago
Yes, to show individuals like you that there are indeed atheists in foxholes and that they are just as good as the Christian soldiers.
HighwayToHell7 3 years ago
Thank you for putting in the part about God being unseeable and untouchable. Because when i was younger i was tought that we were made in God's image. If God is untouchable and unseeable, then shouldn't we also be that way?
corey374 3 years ago
lol cuz his God thats how he can hear ur prayers.
purestryka 3 years ago
Something only came from something, mere chance can't create decent order; seeing as though becoming a Christian would benefit me more without risk, I'd rather take that. Scientists have prove nor disprove their claims so, no intellectuality necessary to see the truth, which Scientists(not all), dodge.
ChibiAsakiEX 3 years ago
Hypermite01 needs to read your comment to see what a nonsensical rambling REALLY looks like!
noelplum99 3 years ago
"Hypermite01 needs to read your comment to see what a nonsensical rambling REALLY looks like!"
Yeah really smart! Just the incomplete answer I expected.
ChibiAsakiEX 3 years ago 2
You asked about 6 fucking points in about 2 sentences, do you really expect me to anser them, especially in 500 characters????
noelplum99 3 years ago
"You asked about 6 fucking points in about 2 sentences, do you really expect me to anser them, especially in 500 characters???? "
Well to defend you're position, you should have but you didn't did you?
ChibiAsakiEX 3 years ago
noelplum, you should try reading & understanding some of the subject matter before you start your nonsensical rambling.
hypermite01 3 years ago
thanks for your advice, i always appreciate advice. Perhaops you could elaborate hypermite01, that would help me far more if you showed me which bits of the subject matter im coming up short in and what im failing to understand.
thanks, jim
noelplum99 3 years ago
WOW... you have a PRODUCTION TEAM!... that automaticly makes you intelligent... YOU SUCK!
BestVideosEver01 3 years ago
I think it is fairly clear from my vids that I dont have a production team (or at least if i did they should be fired). Note, however, that unlike VFX I never say that 'we' have made a video response.
BTW: you should change your name, i looked on your channel and all the vids linked there were shit, total shit (barring the two deep sea ones), not the best videos ever.
noelplum99 3 years ago
when he says "we", he's talking about creationists, as in their argument against the evolutionists argument, you couldnt figure that out? im glad you liked the deep sea videos, there good huh?
BestVideosEver01 3 years ago
Yes, they are excellent.
noelplum99 3 years ago
Excellent video =)
I'm so glad that someone was smart enough to disprove that religious stuff..
Do you have an MSN account, noel?
zetal911 3 years ago
No, i dont im afraid, i used to use messenger and stuff but i got sick of getting interrupted tbh lol
noelplum99 3 years ago
I see. Well, if you ever feel like getting in contact with me to discuss stuff then just send me a PM. I'm interested in talk about science.
zetal911 3 years ago
*stops the video at 3:20* you didn't say how the explosion was caused.*
o and if you do decide to answer that then plz answer the question no atheist can answer.
The meaning of life, the purpose what is it?
We make keyboards to type
and screens to see.
fangman0 3 years ago
oh my, well fangman0 no one knows what caused the big bang but instead of filling peoples heads with bull we admit that and research the subject.
The meaning to my life is to simply understand reality and the purpose of that is to satisfy my curiosity that has been apart of me since birth.
I agree.
we make things to use them.(e.x keyboard)
just like we made religion to control people.
I hope one day you join us in reality.
Origins69 3 years ago
good answer origins 69
noelplum99 3 years ago
what? why put the big bang theory in books if you guys can't even explain how it happen or how it was caused.
you meaning of life is void, I'm not talking about one that you made up by yourself... I thought that was obvious.
If you look in the bible there is a clear answer To love god and be loved by him.
I hope you join us one day in heaven.
fangman0 3 years ago
We put the sun in science books before we knew exactly what it was, the process of fusion or the fact we revolved around it rather than vice versa.
noelplum99 3 years ago
ha ha ha i bet you 5 bucks you dont know how the sun works
antimoron08 3 years ago
thanks for the thought but i'd rather burn in hell.
the big bang is in textbooks so that kid understand that we don't have the answers to everything in hopes they will think long and hard about it.
my meaning of life is void? It gets me thinking, reading, writing, and questioning. And what rule do we have that says we must have a purpose to life that agrees with the bible? Say that we didn't have religion in the world. then what would be your purpose? would all your morals go away? you are weak.
Origins69 3 years ago
We are all weak without god. :D. Because you have forsaken god you've had to make up your own meaning of life because science doesn't provide the answer and without a meaning of life there is no worth in life. Without god we are worthless. There could never be a world with no religion. Stop blinding yourself.
fangman0 3 years ago
Wow you say that as if you've won over atheists. Being a middle of the road agnostic here... Questioning the meaning of life has nothing to do with believing in evolution or not.
By the way Big Bang, how the mysterious soup became life etc etc have NOTHING to do with evolution. Big bang is it's own theory/hypothesis, soup yielding life is abiogenesis. Evolution explains how we observe speciation and differentiation of characteristics.
Konkaver 3 years ago
How the explosion (expansion is so much a better word, can we stop saying explosion please) was caused has a few tentative scientific hypotheses at present, no more. However, I've yet to hear a single christian hypothesis for how god caused either the big bang or 7 day creation, all they ever say is that he did it, not how.
noelplum99 3 years ago
if you pick up the bible it would tell you. Stop depending on us to help you read the bible.
You can't say my religion is wrong if you don't know anything about it. I wonder if god laughs at man's attempt to understand the universe.. when he already wrote down everything we needed to know?
fangman0 3 years ago
So he didn't have to tell us about the micro-organisms which can kill us? Or that Earth revolves around the Sun? Or how to generate the energy thats running the PC your using?
If you think the bible tells us everything we need to know... then go live the life people used to when the bible was written!
gorypleasure 3 years ago
It's interesting, the better the argument, the less VFX seems to care.
Venaloid 3 years ago
WRONG... this mans arguments are retarded to say the least... i know all about quantem reality and all that does is point to god.. he's all over the place with his retarded logic here, you think this guys smart?... trust me, he's really not.
BestVideosEver01 3 years ago
Clearly one thing you don't know about quantum reality is how to spell it.
noelplum99 3 years ago