Ha if you knew anything about the Sumerians at all you would know there was/is a debate between the two Gods Enlil and Enki over allowing humans to have divine knowledge.
This is the reason why there are those who wish to discredit the knowledge left behind
as being false.
Also they did not state Planets were Gods but that there was a specific God ruling every planet in our Solar System.
For instance the Sun is ruled by the God UTU grandson of Enlil and his father Suen God of the Moon..etc etc
Firstly, none of that proves Nibiru exists. Secondly, I was recreating the story as Sitchin saw it - remember, the Sumerians didn't have the concept of a solar system, that part was shoehorned in by Sitchin in order to sell the idea, literally.
@jonnyblaze777 And you can't read the correct spelling of my name, so call it even.
It's very simple, this video directly concerns Sitchins claims about the cylinder seal, that's it. It is not a look at the mythology of the Sumerians as they saw it, it is a look at how an economics graduate turned amateur historian has mashed it together with the formation of the solar system in an attempt to make sense.
I do not care what the Sumerians said unless you claim they directly spoke of Nibiru.
Let me just say that I am Assyrian and I wish youtube was around 20 years ago when I mentioned to my wife that we believed in a planet that had giants on it. We are Christians but we also believe in some of this as well...its mot hard to believe if you try to understand the universe...we are not alone guys?
@ashthebartender1 The point is that we have no evidence to say that we are or aren't alone. It is entirely possible that we are the one planet with life in the Universe in the same way it is entirely possible that we are one of billions and billions of planets with life, but, importantly, we only have credible evidence for the existence of us, of Earthlings.
All this talk of Annunaki in this case, or little green men is other cases just doesn't have the required supporting evidence.
@ashthebartender1 The only home of the ANUNNA(KI) mentioned in the Sumerian tablets is the DUKU(G) ("holy mound" in Sumerian.) Moreover, Sumerian astronomical texts state that NIBIRU was visible in the sky every year, thus dismissing the possibility of an outer planet with a long elliptical orbit of 3,600 years. Almost all archaeologists agree that "Nibiru" was their word for Saturn.
@Is2012TheDate Eleven spheres are surrounding "the center star". The 12th sphere is located out of this set. Look in front of "the nose" of the figure at center. There is another sphere isolated of the others spheres. That's the 12 th planet . Do you want to call it Nibiru or just the 12th planet?
@Is2012TheDate As a cylinder seal is a design carved into a cylinder and then rolled over clay to leave an imprint - they are indeed dots and dents, the mirror image in the clay is then of course a raised bump. Sphere's are 3D objects, to use the word as a descriptive term here is just the same as using dots, blobs, spots...
The names are of course irrelevant as there is no clear evidence they represent a solar system, as the claim implies.
no what happened is the guy in the middle is seeing stars because the guy on the left just whacked him in the head with that giant object he's holding because the guy in the middle is dragging him to see an old man in high heels and he doesn't want to go.
@curt4187 You can't even provide a source contrary to whatever British history book you think I stick my nose into for endless hours of the day. If you make a claim, back it up with some evidence, simple as that.
@curt4187 Once again you appear to have no clue what is going on in the image.
I think it's NN18 that goes into the text on the carving (which as you'd expect has nothing to do with astronomy and everything to do with deity worship). As for the figures, the seated one is dressed as a deity (and the text refers to him as 'Dubsiga'), one of the other figures is 'Ili-illat', making his offering to the god, leaving the third figure as most likely another deity associated with the offering.
In your own video you didn't draw the planets to scale. I believe the picture was carved by humans, so you are pointing out human errors... Your sir are a twit for not having solid evidence to disprove it. Oh the rings weren't drawn on Saturn.. and a planet wasn't in the right place in a tightly fitted drawing of a solar system. They knew the sun was at the center of the solar system... You don't believe that because you believe what the false history books tell you.
@curt4187 Then it should be a rather simple task for you to cite just one source of evidence for the Sumerian's believing in heliocentrism. After all, if you have the confidence to write "They knew the sun was at the center of the solar system", then you should have the evidence to back such a statement up, no?
@3WMElliott There is a drawing that clearly shows a SUN ( A CIRCLE WITH RAYS COMING OFF OF IT) in the center of a bunch of a bunch of planets... You don't even need to know the language you can just look at the picture there is your proof.. Not to mention the pyramids and how they made them align perfectly with a certain star in the sky in a certain time period with shafts coming out of it.. We obviously don't even know what the pyramids were really used for.
@curt4187 Going on a tangent with pyramids as I don't think the sumerians built them (just to lazy to look it up)... I don't understand how you can nit pick they didn't draw the details of saturns ring good enough for you.. So you try to say they were just drawing a pretty picture for fun.. not for a historical piece, which is just crazy to me.
@curt4187 No, I'm saying if it was a map to the Solar System, surely they'd have made it accurate. The only people who claim it to show a map are Sitchin and anyone who blindly believes in his writings. The Sumerians sure don't claim it's a map, they write about it nowhere, and let's not forget we've got records of what they did see in the night sky, none of them showing objects beyond Saturn, for the simple fact that they aren't visible to the naked eye - so how could they ever map them?
@curt4187 So you've decided to ignore the point that the symbol for the Sun in their culture was completely different to 'a circle with rays coming off it'? The point that the symbol in question depicts a Star, itself like the Sun, used to depict a deity.
The pyramids if you remember whatever history you've been taught are of an entirely different culture in an entirely different period in history. If this is as accurate as you can get with your claims, they don't appear to be going very far...
@3WMElliott You say It isn't a sun.. But it sure as hell looks like a sun to me, even now-a-days that's how people draw a sun... Let's be real, I'm sure you Wernt there and I'm sure you can't prove 100% that isn't a picture of a sun.
Pyramid are just another example of something that's almost impossible to believe humans did by themselves.
@curt4187 It looks like a sun TO YOU. To the Sumerian's, it is not depict the Sun, who, let's remember, was considered a deity. If they carve something, it's carved for a reason, and they don't mess with the symbols for their deities.
You say pyramids are an example of something that's almost impossible. What about the hundreds of people who have been into space? The few who have gone as far as the Moon? And you're telling me stacking a few stone blocks on top of each other is impossible?
@curt4187 Now that's a claim I'd love you provide evidence for, that Von Braun said the Nazi's gained information from 'another planet or whatever', or 'an extraterrestrial source'.
I mean if he said such a thing, that should be an easy quote to find and source, right?
@curt4187 There are tons of links.. I just can't paste them here.. I sent one to your inbox I'm about to send another google result.. Just fast forward to the 13minute mark if you wan't to hear it.
@curt4187 I don't think I've seen so much conspiracy theory in one place... But then it is the Histeria Channel, so maybe I have.
Note that "We were helped..." was a second hand quote - in order to believe it we must believe that a UFO researcher met Von Braun in the first place, and then correctly quoted him. Seeing as he's a UFO researcher who firmly believes in UFOs, wants UFOs to have had a part in history, and is appearing in a pro-UFO 'documentary', there's a hint of bias, no?
@3WMElliott What a bout the Foo fighters (glowing orbs that flew around allied pilots during WWII... Or the fact that a number of retired NATO astronauts have said we are not alone. Even said they were greated when they landed on the moon.
@curt4187 Your not supposed to believe that either. Your supposed to regard any statements made by current or former government officials, NASA personel or some nutbag former "astronaut" as ludacrist and insane. Of course we're not alone. Never were. The powers that be are just trying to negotiate a graceful exit even as they are trying their hardest to kill at the same time. The Draconians held great promise as a species. What a tragic waste. They refused to change.
@3WMElliott There is the rub. There is a common thread running through many conspiracy theories that many human endevours had "outside help" or flatly did not happen at all (Apollo 11). Even the electronics marvels of the late 20th century have not escaped the ire of people intent on rubbishing human achievement. The silicon wafer microprocessor that we use to view these pages, alien technology according to folk who speak the same language as nibiru fans.
this isnt the only evidence sitchen puts forward, dont forget the sumarian epic of creation written on 7 tablets amongst other evidence, pluto is in its correct place it started out as a moon and was dragged there by nibiru thats why its there and 17 degrees of the ecliptic. how did the sumarians know about saturn and uranus being blue green water planets ? how did they know humans originated in south africa? how did they know thw species is only 200 to 250 thousand yrs old? i
@iamhewho I'd very much like to see a citation of the Sumerians saying Uranus was green, because you'd have thought they'd then put Uranus on the Mul.Apin but alas, because Uranus is not a naked eye planet and the Sumerians therefore never saw it, lo and behold we find no record of it.
And that's the key: We find plenty of records and not one directly supports Sitchins claims where vague phrases and mistranslations are mashed together with known creation myths and his ideas of the Solar System.
@3WMElliott like i say if the sumarians didnt know bout uranus and humans originating in africa and the age of the species, then how did sitchen? he started wrinting his books in the 70's. anyway lloyd pye has answered this better than i could , lloydpye.com
@iamhewho How did Sitchin know about Uranus? Because it was discovered in the late 1700s. How did Sitchin know the Sumerians knew about Uranus? He didn't, because they didn't, but that didn't stop modern science being mashed into a selective account of a creation myth, to form an interesting, book-worthy story.
@3WMElliott sitchen said the sumarians described the planet as blue green in colour. scientists thought it was anopther gas planet like jupitor until the 1980;s when voyeger went out there and discovered that it actualy was a blue green planet just as the sumarians said. 1980's!
@iamhewho Look at your own words there. "Sitchin said the Sumerians..." - there is NO record of the Sumerians saying Uranus even existed, let alone what colour it is. If you can provide a source that the Sumerians did know of Uranus, then you and Sitchin would have a starting point.
As we've seen however, tablets like the Mul.Apin, where the night sky was cataloged bear no mention of objects like Uranus, and there is similarly no mention that the Sumerians were aware of the Solar System itself.
@3WMElliott have you read these texts? is there not over 300 000 tablets, have you read them ?
and dont forget your using the modern mainstream interpretations of the texts are you not?
its not just sichen, so many intellegent peole have based there lifes work on the basis of sichens do you really think out of the dozens of people writing books and doing seminars and going into the science of all this that they didnt look for themselves, you really think they just blindly followed him?
@iamhewho Not only can you find the Mul.Apin translated online, but entire dictionaries and searchable catalogs of tablets. While I do not claim to have read every one of the thousands of tablets available, I have done the obvious thing of looking for where the origins of the word 'Nibiru' are to be found, and the only planetary instances of the word was for a description of Jupiter and Mercury. Not once has anybody found evidence to the contrary unless you follow the mistranslations of Sitchin.
@3WMElliott send a link i will look, but remember these dictionaries and translations were made by people back in the 40's they didnt have words such as rockets and ufo's in there vocab. anyway if the annunaki arnt real who made us? did they or did the sumarians not say we are created by the annunaki in there own image out of clay pots and the rib etc (genetics). as comes down in the bible. i think your eyes are closed but will gladly look these mistranslated texts of yours up.
@iamhewho You'll find links throughout the descriptions to these videos.
Rockets, as well as the word "rocket" have been in use for centuries at least, I don't know what you're trying to argue with regards to that.
"Who made us?" is not the point I'm addressing, suffice it to say the evidence points away from 'a maker'. Concerning creation myths of Sumeria, the Anunnaki weren't even involved in human creation, depending which myth you read humans actually replaced them.
@dragnet53 Why would Heiser want followers? That's like saying Stephen Hawking wants followers.
They don't want followers, they want people to see science or history as what they are, rather than what they appear to be if you squint really hard, mistranslate a few things and have a wild imagination to fill in the gaps.
Money! what do you think they want followers? Just like people like you make fun of people selling dvd's and such on Nibiru research. He knows Sitchin has a great following and he can get people to buy his books and stuff. Money is the root of all evil.
In the end, all that matters is if this passby truly happens or not, we humans are reknowbed for believing were right and having a hundred reasons for being so, the backing of "scientific communities", even standing armies ready to defend what we say is truth...... And then finding out we are dead wrong. "There is more in heaven and earth, Horatio, than in your philosophy."
ok, i think i have a theory on why the symbol in the diagram isn't depicted as the "sun symbol",...the "gods" or aliens come down, and throughout the discussions that took place, they called the sun a star, or the people at the time said "god" and pointed at the sun lol...and then the two races were calling the same object, a different name.
@St0n3dGuRU Ok. So what's your explanation for them carving the sun surrounded by the planets, and then not labeling them on any tablet, at any time, nor even referencing the image anywhere else in their culture?
If, for example, you were to say that they didn't label it because they knew what it meant, then how can you know what it means, thousands of years later? It is after all, unlabeled, inaccurate, and on a cylinder seal that doesn't talk about astronomy.
You claim it is a star? Surrounded by what? Represented for what reason? I am sorry but your interpretation sounds far less plausible. I would suspect if you had a fourth grade child draw a representation of our solar system that the representation could be picked apart and an equal claim of know knowledge could be put forth by experts even though he had a basic understanding of all the elements. Why no link to the second part?
@CLeoTorris Good point, but we've got to remember that the Sumerians had no concept of the Earth orbiting the Sun at all, and the sun in the sky was a God to them, with his own clear symbol, different from that found on this cylinder seal.
There are some who say it could be a constellation, maybe even just a bit of artistic license. When we see that star symbol though, it denotes that someone in the image nearby is deemed a God.
That's what it is drawing attention to, not necessarily itself.
@3WMElliott This is all possible and I am open to all interpretation, but that is all it is. It will forever be a best guess. The good news is if Sichen is incorrect he will be proven so in about two years. I do find the subject fascinating and probably "secretly" even want him to be correct (even to my doom) but know that it is just a best guess from one scientist to the public. I love a good hypothesis :)
@CLeoTorris Interesting response, how you almost want it to be true.
I personally find what we actually know, what we can test, equally, if not far more fascinating than anything we can imagine - we humans are overwhelmingly made up of empty space, and the bits that aren't empty can be related to phenomena in space. We're made of star stuff. Brilliant.
Truth is stranger than fiction, and we're still working the truth out.
Ha if you knew anything about the Sumerians at all you would know there was/is a debate between the two Gods Enlil and Enki over allowing humans to have divine knowledge.
This is the reason why there are those who wish to discredit the knowledge left behind
as being false.
Also they did not state Planets were Gods but that there was a specific God ruling every planet in our Solar System.
For instance the Sun is ruled by the God UTU grandson of Enlil and his father Suen God of the Moon..etc etc
jonnyblaze777 1 week ago
@jonnyblaze777 Two things to say to that.
Firstly, none of that proves Nibiru exists. Secondly, I was recreating the story as Sitchin saw it - remember, the Sumerians didn't have the concept of a solar system, that part was shoehorned in by Sitchin in order to sell the idea, literally.
3WMElliott 1 week ago
@3WMElliott .. Elliot obviously you cannot read what I said and want to rant about Sitchin which I did not comment about
read what I said again and try to understand what I stated.
jonnyblaze777 1 week ago
@jonnyblaze777 And you can't read the correct spelling of my name, so call it even.
It's very simple, this video directly concerns Sitchins claims about the cylinder seal, that's it. It is not a look at the mythology of the Sumerians as they saw it, it is a look at how an economics graduate turned amateur historian has mashed it together with the formation of the solar system in an attempt to make sense.
I do not care what the Sumerians said unless you claim they directly spoke of Nibiru.
3WMElliott 1 week ago
@jonnyblaze777 Ha your mad Eliot and you still missed my point.
poor boy.
with out the Sumerians we would not have math or science or even agriculture for that matter.
so think about that every time you stuff your face.
Elliot is obvious you are a little boy so why don't you go play your Xbox and leave the BigBoy discussion to us men.:-)
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mocksession 1 month ago
Let me just say that I am Assyrian and I wish youtube was around 20 years ago when I mentioned to my wife that we believed in a planet that had giants on it. We are Christians but we also believe in some of this as well...its mot hard to believe if you try to understand the universe...we are not alone guys?
ashthebartender1 4 months ago
@ashthebartender1 The point is that we have no evidence to say that we are or aren't alone. It is entirely possible that we are the one planet with life in the Universe in the same way it is entirely possible that we are one of billions and billions of planets with life, but, importantly, we only have credible evidence for the existence of us, of Earthlings.
All this talk of Annunaki in this case, or little green men is other cases just doesn't have the required supporting evidence.
3WMElliott 4 months ago
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@ashthebartender1 The only home of the ANUNNA(KI) mentioned in the Sumerian tablets is the DUKU(G) ("holy mound" in Sumerian.) Moreover, Sumerian astronomical texts state that NIBIRU was visible in the sky every year, thus dismissing the possibility of an outer planet with a long elliptical orbit of 3,600 years. Almost all archaeologists agree that "Nibiru" was their word for Saturn.
gambleyourhealth 4 months ago in playlist Nibiru Nonsense
Those are not 'dots' Those are spheres. This one dot: .
Is2012TheDate 8 months ago
@Is2012TheDate Eleven spheres are surrounding "the center star". The 12th sphere is located out of this set. Look in front of "the nose" of the figure at center. There is another sphere isolated of the others spheres. That's the 12 th planet . Do you want to call it Nibiru or just the 12th planet?
Is2012TheDate 8 months ago
@Is2012TheDate As a cylinder seal is a design carved into a cylinder and then rolled over clay to leave an imprint - they are indeed dots and dents, the mirror image in the clay is then of course a raised bump. Sphere's are 3D objects, to use the word as a descriptive term here is just the same as using dots, blobs, spots...
The names are of course irrelevant as there is no clear evidence they represent a solar system, as the claim implies.
3WMElliott 8 months ago
no what happened is the guy in the middle is seeing stars because the guy on the left just whacked him in the head with that giant object he's holding because the guy in the middle is dragging him to see an old man in high heels and he doesn't want to go.
greenpilgrim50 9 months ago
i dont know i'll keep an open mind, almost all the religions of the world have a story of a deluge, and a lot of similarities.
jet44444 10 months ago
You probably believe everything the British wrote in the history books.
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 You can't even provide a source contrary to whatever British history book you think I stick my nose into for endless hours of the day. If you make a claim, back it up with some evidence, simple as that.
3WMElliott 10 months ago
@3WMElliott What about the beings that is twice the size of the rest of them showing them how to farm in the picture. The Brit's are full of it .
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 Once again you appear to have no clue what is going on in the image.
I think it's NN18 that goes into the text on the carving (which as you'd expect has nothing to do with astronomy and everything to do with deity worship). As for the figures, the seated one is dressed as a deity (and the text refers to him as 'Dubsiga'), one of the other figures is 'Ili-illat', making his offering to the god, leaving the third figure as most likely another deity associated with the offering.
3WMElliott 10 months ago
@3WMElliott Who exactly do you think these deity's were.. Just a story they made up of how an imaginary figure showed them how to farm?
curt4187 10 months ago
In your own video you didn't draw the planets to scale. I believe the picture was carved by humans, so you are pointing out human errors... Your sir are a twit for not having solid evidence to disprove it. Oh the rings weren't drawn on Saturn.. and a planet wasn't in the right place in a tightly fitted drawing of a solar system. They knew the sun was at the center of the solar system... You don't believe that because you believe what the false history books tell you.
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 Then it should be a rather simple task for you to cite just one source of evidence for the Sumerian's believing in heliocentrism. After all, if you have the confidence to write "They knew the sun was at the center of the solar system", then you should have the evidence to back such a statement up, no?
3WMElliott 10 months ago
@3WMElliott There is a drawing that clearly shows a SUN ( A CIRCLE WITH RAYS COMING OFF OF IT) in the center of a bunch of a bunch of planets... You don't even need to know the language you can just look at the picture there is your proof.. Not to mention the pyramids and how they made them align perfectly with a certain star in the sky in a certain time period with shafts coming out of it.. We obviously don't even know what the pyramids were really used for.
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 Going on a tangent with pyramids as I don't think the sumerians built them (just to lazy to look it up)... I don't understand how you can nit pick they didn't draw the details of saturns ring good enough for you.. So you try to say they were just drawing a pretty picture for fun.. not for a historical piece, which is just crazy to me.
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 No, I'm saying if it was a map to the Solar System, surely they'd have made it accurate. The only people who claim it to show a map are Sitchin and anyone who blindly believes in his writings. The Sumerians sure don't claim it's a map, they write about it nowhere, and let's not forget we've got records of what they did see in the night sky, none of them showing objects beyond Saturn, for the simple fact that they aren't visible to the naked eye - so how could they ever map them?
3WMElliott 10 months ago
@curt4187 So you've decided to ignore the point that the symbol for the Sun in their culture was completely different to 'a circle with rays coming off it'? The point that the symbol in question depicts a Star, itself like the Sun, used to depict a deity.
The pyramids if you remember whatever history you've been taught are of an entirely different culture in an entirely different period in history. If this is as accurate as you can get with your claims, they don't appear to be going very far...
3WMElliott 10 months ago
@3WMElliott You say It isn't a sun.. But it sure as hell looks like a sun to me, even now-a-days that's how people draw a sun... Let's be real, I'm sure you Wernt there and I'm sure you can't prove 100% that isn't a picture of a sun.
Pyramid are just another example of something that's almost impossible to believe humans did by themselves.
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 It looks like a sun TO YOU. To the Sumerian's, it is not depict the Sun, who, let's remember, was considered a deity. If they carve something, it's carved for a reason, and they don't mess with the symbols for their deities.
You say pyramids are an example of something that's almost impossible. What about the hundreds of people who have been into space? The few who have gone as far as the Moon? And you're telling me stacking a few stone blocks on top of each other is impossible?
3WMElliott 10 months ago
@3WMElliott If we learned space travel from previous beings Just like building the pyramids.. I see no problem...
Even Von Braun, the german nazi that built the first nasa rocket said the Nazi's gained technological information from another planet or whatever..
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 I should say an extra-terrestrial source.
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 Now that's a claim I'd love you provide evidence for, that Von Braun said the Nazi's gained information from 'another planet or whatever', or 'an extraterrestrial source'.
I mean if he said such a thing, that should be an easy quote to find and source, right?
3WMElliott 10 months ago
@3WMElliott Dr. Hermann Oberthof of german rocketry program said, quote: "We were helped by people from other worlds."
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 "Dr. Wernher Von Braun, once stated that we didn't develop all our modern technology ourselves -- that we had help from out there."
curt4187 10 months ago
Dr. Hermann Oberthof of german rocketry program said, quote: "We were helped by people from other worlds."
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 There are tons of links.. I just can't paste them here.. I sent one to your inbox I'm about to send another google result.. Just fast forward to the 13minute mark if you wan't to hear it.
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 I don't think I've seen so much conspiracy theory in one place... But then it is the Histeria Channel, so maybe I have.
Note that "We were helped..." was a second hand quote - in order to believe it we must believe that a UFO researcher met Von Braun in the first place, and then correctly quoted him. Seeing as he's a UFO researcher who firmly believes in UFOs, wants UFOs to have had a part in history, and is appearing in a pro-UFO 'documentary', there's a hint of bias, no?
3WMElliott 10 months ago
@3WMElliott What a bout the Foo fighters (glowing orbs that flew around allied pilots during WWII... Or the fact that a number of retired NATO astronauts have said we are not alone. Even said they were greated when they landed on the moon.
curt4187 10 months ago
@curt4187 Your not supposed to believe that either. Your supposed to regard any statements made by current or former government officials, NASA personel or some nutbag former "astronaut" as ludacrist and insane. Of course we're not alone. Never were. The powers that be are just trying to negotiate a graceful exit even as they are trying their hardest to kill at the same time. The Draconians held great promise as a species. What a tragic waste. They refused to change.
Daddyo930 7 months ago
@3WMElliott There is the rub. There is a common thread running through many conspiracy theories that many human endevours had "outside help" or flatly did not happen at all (Apollo 11). Even the electronics marvels of the late 20th century have not escaped the ire of people intent on rubbishing human achievement. The silicon wafer microprocessor that we use to view these pages, alien technology according to folk who speak the same language as nibiru fans.
RashidDostum 9 months ago
/watch?v=h8n-GciB7YM&NR=1 Here again is the man who knows the truth! (5:25 he gets round to telling it like it is)
RashidDostum 10 months ago
watch?v=ednIOeX80hY This youtube link will take you to a man who doubtless knows the whereabouts of and current weather situation on nibiru.
RashidDostum 10 months ago
this isnt the only evidence sitchen puts forward, dont forget the sumarian epic of creation written on 7 tablets amongst other evidence, pluto is in its correct place it started out as a moon and was dragged there by nibiru thats why its there and 17 degrees of the ecliptic. how did the sumarians know about saturn and uranus being blue green water planets ? how did they know humans originated in south africa? how did they know thw species is only 200 to 250 thousand yrs old? i
iamhewho 1 year ago
@iamhewho I'd very much like to see a citation of the Sumerians saying Uranus was green, because you'd have thought they'd then put Uranus on the Mul.Apin but alas, because Uranus is not a naked eye planet and the Sumerians therefore never saw it, lo and behold we find no record of it.
And that's the key: We find plenty of records and not one directly supports Sitchins claims where vague phrases and mistranslations are mashed together with known creation myths and his ideas of the Solar System.
3WMElliott 1 year ago
@3WMElliott like i say if the sumarians didnt know bout uranus and humans originating in africa and the age of the species, then how did sitchen? he started wrinting his books in the 70's. anyway lloyd pye has answered this better than i could , lloydpye.com
iamhewho 1 year ago
@iamhewho How did Sitchin know about Uranus? Because it was discovered in the late 1700s. How did Sitchin know the Sumerians knew about Uranus? He didn't, because they didn't, but that didn't stop modern science being mashed into a selective account of a creation myth, to form an interesting, book-worthy story.
3WMElliott 1 year ago
@3WMElliott sitchen said the sumarians described the planet as blue green in colour. scientists thought it was anopther gas planet like jupitor until the 1980;s when voyeger went out there and discovered that it actualy was a blue green planet just as the sumarians said. 1980's!
iamhewho 1 year ago
@iamhewho Look at your own words there. "Sitchin said the Sumerians..." - there is NO record of the Sumerians saying Uranus even existed, let alone what colour it is. If you can provide a source that the Sumerians did know of Uranus, then you and Sitchin would have a starting point.
As we've seen however, tablets like the Mul.Apin, where the night sky was cataloged bear no mention of objects like Uranus, and there is similarly no mention that the Sumerians were aware of the Solar System itself.
3WMElliott 1 year ago
@3WMElliott have you read these texts? is there not over 300 000 tablets, have you read them ?
and dont forget your using the modern mainstream interpretations of the texts are you not?
its not just sichen, so many intellegent peole have based there lifes work on the basis of sichens do you really think out of the dozens of people writing books and doing seminars and going into the science of all this that they didnt look for themselves, you really think they just blindly followed him?
iamhewho 1 year ago
@iamhewho Not only can you find the Mul.Apin translated online, but entire dictionaries and searchable catalogs of tablets. While I do not claim to have read every one of the thousands of tablets available, I have done the obvious thing of looking for where the origins of the word 'Nibiru' are to be found, and the only planetary instances of the word was for a description of Jupiter and Mercury. Not once has anybody found evidence to the contrary unless you follow the mistranslations of Sitchin.
3WMElliott 1 year ago
@3WMElliott send a link i will look, but remember these dictionaries and translations were made by people back in the 40's they didnt have words such as rockets and ufo's in there vocab. anyway if the annunaki arnt real who made us? did they or did the sumarians not say we are created by the annunaki in there own image out of clay pots and the rib etc (genetics). as comes down in the bible. i think your eyes are closed but will gladly look these mistranslated texts of yours up.
iamhewho 1 year ago
@iamhewho You'll find links throughout the descriptions to these videos.
Rockets, as well as the word "rocket" have been in use for centuries at least, I don't know what you're trying to argue with regards to that.
"Who made us?" is not the point I'm addressing, suffice it to say the evidence points away from 'a maker'. Concerning creation myths of Sumeria, the Anunnaki weren't even involved in human creation, depending which myth you read humans actually replaced them.
3WMElliott 1 year ago
LOL Haiser
He just wants to take away sitchin's followers so he can gain followers. typical human behavior.
dragnet53 1 year ago
@dragnet53 Why would Heiser want followers? That's like saying Stephen Hawking wants followers.
They don't want followers, they want people to see science or history as what they are, rather than what they appear to be if you squint really hard, mistranslate a few things and have a wild imagination to fill in the gaps.
3WMElliott 1 year ago
@3WMElliott
Money! what do you think they want followers? Just like people like you make fun of people selling dvd's and such on Nibiru research. He knows Sitchin has a great following and he can get people to buy his books and stuff. Money is the root of all evil.
dragnet53 1 year ago
@dragnet53 And have you ever visited his site? There aren't even any adverts to cover the cost of web hosting, let alone books or DVDs for sale.
3WMElliott 1 year ago
In the end, all that matters is if this passby truly happens or not, we humans are reknowbed for believing were right and having a hundred reasons for being so, the backing of "scientific communities", even standing armies ready to defend what we say is truth...... And then finding out we are dead wrong. "There is more in heaven and earth, Horatio, than in your philosophy."
N1k1mon 1 year ago
ok, i think i have a theory on why the symbol in the diagram isn't depicted as the "sun symbol",...the "gods" or aliens come down, and throughout the discussions that took place, they called the sun a star, or the people at the time said "god" and pointed at the sun lol...and then the two races were calling the same object, a different name.
St0n3dGuRU 1 year ago
@St0n3dGuRU Ok. So what's your explanation for them carving the sun surrounded by the planets, and then not labeling them on any tablet, at any time, nor even referencing the image anywhere else in their culture?
If, for example, you were to say that they didn't label it because they knew what it meant, then how can you know what it means, thousands of years later? It is after all, unlabeled, inaccurate, and on a cylinder seal that doesn't talk about astronomy.
3WMElliott 1 year ago
You claim it is a star? Surrounded by what? Represented for what reason? I am sorry but your interpretation sounds far less plausible. I would suspect if you had a fourth grade child draw a representation of our solar system that the representation could be picked apart and an equal claim of know knowledge could be put forth by experts even though he had a basic understanding of all the elements. Why no link to the second part?
CLeoTorris 1 year ago
@CLeoTorris Good point, but we've got to remember that the Sumerians had no concept of the Earth orbiting the Sun at all, and the sun in the sky was a God to them, with his own clear symbol, different from that found on this cylinder seal.
There are some who say it could be a constellation, maybe even just a bit of artistic license. When we see that star symbol though, it denotes that someone in the image nearby is deemed a God.
That's what it is drawing attention to, not necessarily itself.
3WMElliott 1 year ago
@3WMElliott This is all possible and I am open to all interpretation, but that is all it is. It will forever be a best guess. The good news is if Sichen is incorrect he will be proven so in about two years. I do find the subject fascinating and probably "secretly" even want him to be correct (even to my doom) but know that it is just a best guess from one scientist to the public. I love a good hypothesis :)
CLeoTorris 1 year ago
@CLeoTorris Interesting response, how you almost want it to be true.
I personally find what we actually know, what we can test, equally, if not far more fascinating than anything we can imagine - we humans are overwhelmingly made up of empty space, and the bits that aren't empty can be related to phenomena in space. We're made of star stuff. Brilliant.
Truth is stranger than fiction, and we're still working the truth out.
3WMElliott 1 year ago
I seriously heart your videos! You need more views & subs!
SnapShow82 1 year ago
u look like a dumb guy
kajuna319 1 year ago
@kajuna319 That's funny, I'm not seen in this video...
If of course you can prove that I'm a dumb guy anyway, then I'm all ears.
3WMElliott 1 year ago