Tom Raper Dutch Housing manufactured home nightmare

[sonomavibes]

Thank you for posting this video. It is indeed the right thing to do. Sorry this happened to you.

[luxuryloghomes]

This video can be very helpful for those people who are planning to buy a manufactured home. How could a company like that turn you off and don't care if they should be the ones responsible to help you. Thanks for this tip of being cautious in purchasing any investment for our future. Lesson learned.

[JDeereGP]

Dutch mobile homes are the biggest piece of shit I ever owned!! You are right all the way on these crap Dutch homes! Mine is a 1997 bought it brand new, the siding was shot the second year, the drawers all fell apart, my floors are warped so bad, I sink in some of the bad spots! My cieling is cracked all to shit, plastic door knobs on all the doors are junk, the carpet thru out every room has to or has been replaced, I replaced all the vinyl flooring.. Everything was replaced years ago.

[MegaDeathwarrant]

My mom is becoming a lawyer from stestion and will finish by December which would help me when purchasing a home from claytons homes and if they do not honor any agreements we can send them to court and I can be a happy camper so I really wish clayton will try to screw me over like some of the other reviews I've seen so I can take them to court.

[TheRick3607]

I bought a 2005 Fleetwood Anniversary series 4 bed room and 2 bath double wide and I love it there has been no problems with it... I cant stand people who down grade double wides what makes you think that all manufactured homes are bad?? A lot of these new types homes that goes up these days are built cheap as well, yeah if you do not upkeep any home it will leak and go down... I think fleetwood would have helped you repair this, I think there is more to this story..

[groterichard]

houses in america sucks xd

[crownvvc4]

its a good thing you made a video about this i think

[modulargal1]

sounds like you do a lot of talking and not putting things in writing like is required by most warranties. The best thing to do is ALWAYS write things down so everyone has a fair chance to take care of items fairly. Tom Raper has been in business a LONG time and wouldn't still be in business if they were in the practice of treating people poorly. Same for Dutch Homes.

[Livinggreen100]

With a pinched water line, as shown at 0:51, didn't you have a lack of water to some fixtures? or very little?

Couldn't you hear the water running , "somewhere" in the house?

When I bought a brand new double wide in 2003, a plumbing fitting was loose and thus dripped on the underside, under the shower. With access to the shower faucet, It was able to be tightened. I didn't do it ( I could have) but the dealer fixed it.

I wish you better luck next time.

[Livinggreen100]

It's unfortunate, your experience.

Most aren't that way. It doesn't matter if its a mobile home or site built.

I'm just surprised someone smart enough to fix this problem, didn't see the leaks much sooner, when the mess could have been avoided.

forward to 1:40. In your own words, you could have, and thus other people also could (if needed), had the repair work done for you....

In the ripped out condition, who can tell what WAS before it was ripped apart.

[ArtBarriga]

The fact that you bought from TOM RAPER should have been your first red flag. I know plenty of people that have lived over 20 - 30 years in the same mobile home and have never ran into these problems.

Alot of home and mobile home issues come from poor upkeep of your home.

[ArtBarriga]

The fact that you bought from TOM RAPER should have been your first red flag

[MachintoshCJ]

Tom Raper will rape your house with mold.

[Mew4U]

I'm so sorry that happened to you.

[stewartx5]

Don't understand how, after the warranty, you felt this was the manufacturer's responsibility. As a homeowner, it's your job to perform routine inspections and prompt maintenance. Since this problem was neglected to the point of severe damage, that clearly wasn't done. Stray moisture is easy to detect and prompt repairs are often relatively inexpensive. Further, it's always a good idea to inspect all major systems (plumbing, electrical, etc) towards the end of the warranty to ensure all well.

[CAPSimplified]

TOM RAPER!!

[CAPSimplified]

TOM RAPER!!!

[chaineychainaman]

You have done the right thing getting info out to people about these problems. I support your efforts I bought a single wide mobile home new back in '93. During the first winter our pipes froze my husband went under the home to take care of the problem. We had the liner under our home also. He noticed it hanging from water laying in it. So he cut some slits in the liner to let the water drain. We didn't realize that it could do the damage to the floor. cutting those slits saved the floor

[CaptainMacNasty]

Thank you very much for taking the time to prepare this video (despite the negative comments from idiots). I'm considering a mobile home for retirement purposes. Yet, I am learning so much about the history of dishonesty and poor quality in the mobile home industry, that I am wondering if it is even worth the risk.

[prkhstry]

@CaptainMacNasty If you buy used and cheap it might work out but plan to do a lot of maintenance and repairs. I've replace about a third of this home with more needed at tens years of age.

[sistereagle45]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I think you are being railroaded and that someone, the one who sold you the home or made the home should take responsibility for this mess. I hope and pray that things will get better for you. God Bless you.

[MsMommaRose]

My parents and my sister have each bought 3 different mobile homes for a total of six. They have had all of these problems and more. We settled for a smaller older home. They have ended up paying more for their "cheaper" housing via having to replacement and maintenance. These things are not built with the same standards as a stick built home. That is why they are personal property and not realestate.

[jmc6000]

Wow, look at those puny 2x6 floor joices and the thin 1/4 inch floor decking. Such shabby build quality and such puny building materials makes this home an utter failure! I am glad most of the newer homes are not built like this anymore! This is pathetic. I truly feel sorry for this guy.

[kevintomb]

@jmc6000 2x6 is used in almost all 14 foot wide mobile homes. They use 2 very big I-Beams running the length of the home so a 2x6 is quite adequate. The I-Beams are approx 8 feet apart, so the 2x6 is only spanning 8 feet in the middle and 3 foot to each side of the beam. The flooring is not 1/4 inch but more likely 3/4" or 5/8", if you go to their website it will say. Newer ones are built almost the same and its not that different than a regular stick built house

[jmc6000]

@kevintomb Well most nwer stick built homes, plus newer modulars are using 2x10 floor joices with at least 3/4 inch floor decking of OSB or something simular. Moblie homes may not be built to a better standard today, but stick built and modulars are!

[SuperAmir30]

TOM RAPER= TOM RAPPER=THE RAPIST. DUTCH AND CHAMPION Campanies should be a shame of themself. I will never nor will I allow anyone that I know to buy anything from those fucking rapist. This is the must dishonest companies of the US history. Shame on them.

[tireballmedia]

this video is bull. That the guy went in there and tried to fix things with his insurance company shows he does not understand how the system works.

Either way accidents do happen and sure this is one of them but there are plenty of stick built homes with bowed in walls, miss ran wires and out of square windows.

[prkhstry]

@tireballmedia the system does not work at all when dealing with this company.

We didn't try to fix anything, we fixed it. The insurance sued the company and won one claim but signed to not sue again. That is when the big claim came along. A second mortgage fixed that problem. There is no bull about that.

[SsarverSumed24]

Who the hell would buy something from a guy named Tom RAPER..... lol

[gulfcoastdude]

Can't say I have ever heard of putting a vapor barrier under a mobile/manufactured home. They need good air flow under there.

[jtart51]

Wow, I feel awful for you! It is a shame and a sham! I have had several and have had mixed results. It is all I can afford though. Resale sucks too...especially when buying new!

[Usernameinvalid16]

I live in a 1971 fleet wood 24x60 mobile home and it never have any issue's except the heating and cooling but other than that its a very good built home. Just u hate the aluminum wire other than that its freaking nice!

[charleecrat]

I know water is the enemy of a mobile home. If I get one I will insist they allow me to coat the top and under side of the sub floor with gallons of Thompsons water seal. If they wont allow this, then I wont buy it.

[prkhstry]

Water is an enemy but the vapor barrier is the biggest problem. If you place the home on a foundation cut slits in the barrier with a razor blade where the water lines run. I had a virtual pool liner with feet of water standing before I found I had a problem. To bad there is no one in the media, courts or government that will tell you that, only me.

[charleecrat]

Here's an Idea. Not know if this is feasible but if you could invent a moisture sensor with an alarm so when it detects water it trips the alarm, you could make a fortune selling it right back to the company that ripped you off and all Mfg. home owners as well. Just an idea

[charleecrat]

What about Clayton homes? I checked with BBB and they have an A+ rating. Does this happen to all mobile homes? I was looking at the one with sheetrock walls :-/

[prkhstry]

Mine has the same walls. I do not know about Clayton. I do know that some companies change names every so many years to throw people off.

[CHIPMANFEUL]

I just bought one and am having trouble with roof leaking. They are blaming it on ice daming

[baseballgrader]

Check out my videos i have a few on mobil home roofes

[wndale21]

you got raped by Tom Raper.

[Stebbs123]

I feel ur pain, my insurance wouldn`t even come through when I had city road crew destroy my foundation. They called a few weeks ago asking if I will up my premiums. Those greedy SOBs. I`m thinking of boycotting the insurance company now. Instead of paying them Il put that money in savings for when I need it.. What`s the point of having insurance if u`l never use it?

[jerryinmich2009]

They used cheap materials for some things and quality for others.Also, one side of home is poorly put together,while other side is great.I picture it rolling down an assembly line,workers on one side being hungover,while the ones on the other side okay. Also, I think CEO's should live in one for 6 months or so to see the many little things that should be done different to make for easier living, like the master bath's door opening inward and not out. It wouldn't cost them more either.

[kerryoke68]

I watched this again and I one thing that really stands out to me, is that it would not be that difficult for the manufacturer to have fixed this.

They make these homes because they are easy to build. They could have sent out some guys and supplies and fixed your home within a day or two. It seems their reputation is no more important to them than their customers.

[prkhstry]

It is easier to place a young lady at the phone and not let anything past her. She will pass it along and they will call me back, right? The increase in insurance and recent property taxes along with the second mortgage is about to finish me off. Years of struggle and not an ounce of support from anyone.

[kerryoke68]

It is unbelievable that they can get away with this. Another example of corporations steamrolling the little guy. If it is any consolation I am grateful that you shared your story and I will NEVER give those companies my business. It should be criminal to stomp on the American dream the way they did.

[flexbaud]

$1500 a year for insurance? That's cheap. I am located in Florida and my insurance is $1600 a year for a home that is worth $33,000. My dad lives in Ohio in a home that is worth $80,000 and his insurance is $600 a year. Your insurance isn't that expensive. If you don't like those prices, try moving down to Florida for a few years and then you'll see what real insurance prices are.

[osmitrain]

Sad that I should pay for hurricane rates just because I bought this Manufactured home. years have past and I still cant move to another company. Sounds like Florida with this home would have been total ruin.

[wndale21]

It's called hurricanes.

[unirrational]

Just to follow up...in no way am I trivializing your experience. These things DO happen, and people need to deal with reputable dealers in manu purchases just like they need to deal with reputable contractors in building a stick built. I'm truly sorry for what you've had to go through.

[unirrational]

Wow. I really do feel your pain...and I do deal with manufactured homes professionally. Manus are like any other purchase. You can find all kinds of horror stories about cars or stick built homes as well, but we shouldn't stop making those purchases. There are good homes and bad ones out there. The best thing to do is to completely check ou the home prior to closing and if you have ANY questions, hire a reputable inpsector to check things out. I hope things work out for you better in the future.

[Bologna38]

I'm not a dealer, just someone who is happy about the deal I recieved on a good home. My home is a "General home" they are located outside of Atlanta and I have alot of quality materials in here. That is why I bought it. I got a 2100 sq. ' home for 65k. I saw other good ones also like Clayton and Scotbilt. I think homes last longer in the south because of our weather. I do not deal with snow or ice. Mine is also a wind zone 2 because I am near the coast. The house I have is only sold in the SE.

[Bologna38]

You gotta be careful with who installs these homes. I have a 9 year old General home and it is a great house. It was installed correctly. My community has high standards and you hear very few complaints about anything. I would highly recommend a manufactured home to anyone. You have to buy from a reputable dealer and have it set up by someone that knows what they are doing. Check them out!

[osmitrain]

You sound like a dealer. paper trim, plastic screen frames. Great home? give me a break

[justajuggaloyaknow]

Who did the site prep. on this job? Cause that is where these kinds of problems usually start. P.S. im state certified in two states to install manufactured homes.

[prkhstry]

The plumbing should not have been routed under the floor joists between insulation and the vapor barrier. The plumbing should have ran through the floor joists.

[wasearcher]

thank you for posting.

[LadyRider2007]

I am sorry to hear about your problems with Dutch Homes. It's not fair that they did not have the decency or integrity to do what was right - and that was to replace your home with a brand new home! I am looking into purchasing a mobile home in MO. The current owner just sent me the appraisal and I noticed the house was made by Dutch Housing. I am very worried about buying this home - especially since the owners have not lived in it for almost 2 years - they's been traveling.

[prkhstry]

The biggest concern is to not allow water to leak into the vapor barrier under the home. It is hard to know of a problem until it gets real bad. A simple leak running onto the ground would not pose much of a problem. Mold and rot is another thing altogether. I'd say cut holes or remove the barrier under the section with plumbing but that is only good if the home is on a permanent foundation. the barrier is important otherwise. hope this helps.

[TheRhae]

dont buy it!

look elsewhere if your in doubt

[tabernash42]

Thanks for posting this video. Had a dealer look at it and he turned around his sales pitch because he couldn't explain away the problems.

[Julsinmaine101]

I bought a mobilehome in 1999 and have had similar problems..Unfortunitly I couldnt get help and alot of the problems remain unfixed due to lack of funds..Mobile homes are RIPOFFS to the american public!!

[sunakochan77]

I too have recently bought a Dutch House. It doesn't not hold heat the windows are icing up on the inside which they are not to do and when I moved in the washing amchine line was broke inside the wall with a culing pipe in its place causing water damage through out my bedroom and my kitchen area. there are many other things I could coment on but they are smaller issues. I am worried about mold and really don't approve of my house being so cold. I have a fire place along with a heater. DONT BUY

[b4kdm]

Plumbing supply lines from the factory not installed correctly

[kevintomb]

IM not sure I understand what you had go wrong..was it plumbing supply lines from the factory or something installed after the home was at site?

[666lauriep]

I own the same damn house. I got the same damn problems. Was your made at the plant in LaGrange (plant D) I believe? I want to know what to do next. Can you point me in the right direction?

[osmitrain]

Perhaps we need to form a class action suit. There seems to be a lot of us out here with these problems. The politicians and the media is for the people with the money. That is not us we are broke. Just trying to live in one of these houses is hard.

[666lauriep]

I totally agree. I'm ready. Lets do it. I took another ones advise and checked out this company thru the B.B.B and wow!!!

[b4kdm]

yes my home was built at the same plant. We should talk. Maybe a class action suit would work. We should compile a list of homes sold and

look for other litigants. If you go it alone You should file in your town since it is where the loss occurred.

[musthavejava]

This is flat out wrong; my heart goes out to you and your family. It's also scary in that we have just begun investigating manufactured homes for purchase (Schult Homes largely), and you can't help but to feel some misgivings after watching this video. Thank-you for sharing it with the YouTube community; it was extremely informative and helpful and I feel most grateful to have seen it.

[faceswithin]

Skyline Homes - Kinro Windows construction and manufacturer defects lead to toxic mold infestation throughout our home ripoff Ocala Florida

I just found this some one said Skyline may wish to check it out

[faceswithin]

Thank You for all your insigh in to this I was looking at skyline over in Washington state wish me luck. To Bod man this is just wrong. I hope your "you tube" hurts them badly you can also start your own web page and tell people any time they go to look up champion or Tom Raper what happen also. May be you can get people like your self to sign up together and do a class action case it worked for smokers that did it.

[prkhstry]

I'm trying to be helpful. I don't want to see anyone go through what my family has suffered.

Specifically speaking, if you develop a leak in one of these homes the heavy vapor plastic will hold it into the floor joists. If you have one of these and it is on a foundation I'd advise you to take a nail and puncture the plastic on the under side where plumbing exists. If the leak had just run into the crawl space there would have been very little damage and I would have spotted it much sooner.

[faceswithin]

yes I understand but if you had called Hud when you frist feel there was a prolbem would they have done some thing do you still own the home or did you just walk away I thinking of buying that is why

[prkhstry]

I still own the home. After 20k to rebuild it I can't do anything else. Hud said that they (Washington) could have had them fix it.I don't know how long I would have been homeless going that route. I did not wait anytime when the problem surfaced. In my opinion the courts are of no value even at 20K in damages if the attorney gets it. If you buy one I'd advise you to consider it an "as is" purchase as if there were no warranty. Be prepared to be alone. my advice.

[faceswithin]

so let me see if you had called Hud at frist time prolbems they would have made them do some thing? Is is all maufactor homes and what state was this?

[prkhstry]

The state is Ohio. The state's position is that this consumer issue is not their problem. My belief is that a person should treat such a purchase (even new) as if it was an as is purchase without any warranty.

[stargazntreki]

Ouch :( I'm so sorry that you had to go through this.

[Troy4824]

How could the dealer be responsible? They didn't build the home. All they are doing is selling a product.

[prkhstry]

The dealer setup the home. The water line was pinched when set on foundation.I was never able to get through to the service department or get them to return my calls. I would not yell at the young receptionist lady placed to intercept my calls.

[Troy4824]

So if the water line was pinched then why would you leave the water on? I know I would turn the water off immediately, and if they didn't come fix it, I would hire a plumber and then sue for the amount that I spent to fix the problem

[prkhstry]

The pinched line leaked slowly into the plastic liner under the home. It took years to build to the point of wicking up into the walls. If I had a clue there was A leak I would have done as you suggest.

[FTC1970]

I purchased a schult manufactured home and it seems to be ok. can anyone tell me if Schult homes are built good or poor??

[keyofdavid88]

Maybe since it wasn't in the state's "jurisdiction" you should have told them since they don't represent you as a resident of Ohio then you won't pay any sales tax or property tax.

[keyofdavid88]

My sister bought something similar which is a modular home and they got screwed big time. Even the people building it on site stole her A/C unit and they never did finish installation. She never could do anything about the A/C theft and on top of that the house has cracked right down the middle on the inside. Sorry to see so many people being screwed by the businesses, states, and lawyers.

[guntoter2]

"If you buy a manufactured home you're making the biggest mistake of your life". NO, if you make a purchase that you and your family will have to live with for the next 30 years without researching, THAT is the biggest mistake of your life. You chose to buy MORE home for less money, why didnt you go to the plant? You seem to know something about building. If you had gone to the plant you would understand why they are the most inexpensive home built, maybe buy a smaller but higher quality home.

[prkhstry]

thanks for the good advice. As I said I thought there was some recourse if things were this bad.

A few minutes spent on not screwing screws into plumbing and a line two inches away from a joist would have prevented this. I don't think I would have seen that at the factory. Salt in the wound does not help much at this point but thanks anyway.

[thebestofall007]

this is what happens when the contractors hire unskilled illegal aliens to make these homes. not only are the homeowners the victims of negligent shoddy work like this, we the taxpayers are the victims when those jobs that americans were doing are no longer there for them (notice: i DID NOT say not wanted). we the taxpayers pay when the workers get hurt or die because the deadbeats who hire them wont pay workers comp. instead, they just get another worker to replace him.

[thebestofall007]

whoever you are, prkhstry, i hope you win your case against these deadbeats and make a stand against this SCOURGE against our country!!

[pyrothrillah]

Hi Bob, I to had problems with my double-wide made by champion homes. I hired an attorney and WON! They were forced to repair my home, pay my attorney fees, all other legal fees and I received a little extra for my aggravation. I would not recommend them to anyone. However, I would recommend my attorney! Good luck with your repairs.

[prkhstry]

Who is your attorney and where is he. I need help bad, thanks

[sunakochan77]

Who is your attorney? I think I need to file a law suit against Dutch housing myself!!!

[WayneR1956]

Sorry to hear about your problems. I was worried about these problems also. I researched all the manufacturers at great lengths before making a commitment! I found a great manufacture and a good dealer. Skyline homes is a highly rated manufacturer and believes in customer satisfaction. I have had them come back 5 times to get everything perfect. And they were happy to help me. All manufactured homes are not a mistake, I can tell horror stories about stick built homes that have fallen down also.

[bobm2165]

thanks for the warning as we were considering this and now have some more insight on this

[prkhstry]

Go to the better business bureau web site for their opinion of this company. It is a real eye opener.