Suicide is a secular, psychiatric "sin" because it is an outright rejection of the society, it's culture, and the control and oppression mechanisms in place. That would be the reason shrinks "work" on suicidal individuals. Just the Inquisition, in it's modern form.
@MrDeicide1 If you don't believe that each one of us has a subjectivity and existential core this is an explanation.
What do you mean by "shrinks"? Psychiatrists or psychologists? If you're talking about psychiatrists "if" a patient tells him/her about suicidal ideation the "treatment is changing the drugs. That's what happened to Eric Harris, Columbine boy,
He told his parents he was having violent ideas and the psychiatrist changed Zoloft to Luvox.
@AnaLimaLuiza You didn't really get his explanation, he'sjust specultaing if there was some biopolitical institution that regulated suicide. He's not saying that people who go through break-ups committ suicde but threaten to do so somethimes, and it would be interesting to see them not walk all the way up the stairs as opposed to those who would actually do such a psychologically-significant traumatic experience.
@xx1994xxversion2 The speculation is about some medical or psychiatric adivisory committe team that should decide the case if a true metaphisical suicide or just a short crisis - you were drop by your girlfriend.
1) Psychiatry is far from understanding human condition and are prescribing drugs ghat induce suicide ideation knowing without informing their patients that they can become violent and kill someone or self
2) drug-induced suicide is not the same as true suicide
@xx1994xxversion2 3) Have you ever read about the struggle that those who commit suicide go through?
4) Traumatic experiences are those suicides we like the most because we can explain: "Oh! he has been at the war ans was traumatized."
5) Existential pain is never mentioned.
6) The taboo of talking about suicide, because it's a sin, because the person is considered morally weak by many and many other reasons causes a lot of misunderstanding
@justana2 What are you going on about? You're totally taking this out of proportion, he's not saying there should exist such an institution but just what if there was such a thing. and he is speaking in Foucaldian terms, biopolitics is the bourgeoisie's use of biopower (control of the body and populations) to dominate society and a hypothetical psychiatric instutution that regulated suicide would be an example of such.
" If you want to kill yourself some medical or psychiatric adivisory committe team that should decide the case if a true metaphisical suicide or just a short crisis like you were drop by your girlfriend... a moment of depression blah blah"
@xx1994xxversion2 I'm not taking out of proportion. I'm trying to make it clear what is at stake here because suicide is a very important issue that is not discussed.
It increases the pain of those who are fighting suicide.
One person commits suicide every 10 minutes.
You have no idea how many people struggles with suicide ideation. It is a huge pain.
@AnaLimaLuiza Errm... That's strange. Because it's pretty easy to find. And nope, he meant by metaphysical suicide a suicide resulting from profound realization of the individuum that their life is a living horror and that creation/god ,if u will, overstepped its bounds by heaping unbearable suffering on said person.. MS as opposed to "Imma kill mahself cuz mah girlfriend dumped meh". I don't see where he made a joke.
@MrDeicide1 So, there should be a group of people to judge who committed a reasonable suicide - the metaphysical, meaning those who have serious reasons to kill themselves - and the other idiots who took their lives because of simple reasons.
Well...
Kurt Cobain was famous, had money, had fans, had a career ahead him, had numerous friends, a band, a girlfriend...
He had everything.
Let's condemn him.
"We members of the Suicide Psychiatric Metaphysical Committee consider Kurt Cobain guilty"
@AnaLimaLuiza Nope, What you said, you demented mouthy twit -- Is that I held the beliefs he exposes on here. I simply explained what HE said. You continue with your verbal diarrhea unabated by any sense. Stop putting words into other people's mouths. And yapping on endlessly by beginning with "You think". Try to use that (hopefully) 2lb thing between your ears. And there was no "discussion" Just a display of your processing disorder.
@MrDeicide1 I don't discuss with people whose arguments are as hominem or ad personae attacks.
Bye MrDeicide1 and try to educate yourself. BTW: do a search in the comments a did searching for how many times I used "I think." Once in this comment. There are only 6 "I think" in this page. I'm responsible for one of them.
You really need to start a critical thinking education because you are not able to form a coherent argument.
@AnaLimaLuiza Listen you retarded imbeciliac cretin. Stop Talking. Just fukkin stop.For fukks sake. Not even an elephant would have this much patience with you. You obviously can't comprehend the English language and/or are a complete schizzo.
He is making fun of our society now, and its the only thing he can do. Every smart person can se we are living WRONG way, and there is no future for us.
You have to pay for ALL bizzare things in the world, so the upgrade is, to pay and see a suicide, which is of course free will from a human. But like in other cases, we wont bother to HELP that particular human, but try to earn some money with that. Thats our NICE world to the people.
Why do you think like that ? Because he is not thinking like 6.9 billion other people ? If he is, then everyone is a psychopath. TRUTH is in us, we need to tell it.
@dulfaMB think about his motives for his topics... he can talk about everything, but he choses this... bdw. I can not follow his mind flow... he is terribly disorganised :/
If he is disorganised or not, there is no one who can judge that. We are all living in a crazy world and thats the SMALLEST thing it can bother someone, cause they is like million more things that should be done and improved. And the most discusting thing is, IT CAN BE DONE. But why is not, thats the issue i mentioned before. For example, you can see a dog saving another dog on cnn, while there are thousands of people dying cause they have no food and water. Thats my thinking...
Also called: sociopath a person afflicted with a personality disorder characterized by a tendency to commit antisocial and sometimes violent acts and a failure to feel guilt for such acts
Based upon this arrogant comment I think that you are probably a psychopath
@babebeubaboon baboon please look again at your own comment when you're mentally grown up. Oh? you wanna play the 'Based and probably' tactic? fine speculate all you about me I do not care enough to prove you wrong because
the lack of facts. Telling me that i am psychopath with little inconclusive evidence, is just one of the signs of arrogance. There are different kinds of psychopaths.. Could you tell me which kind I am because I wanna laugh.
@babebeubaboon Those aren't characteristics of psychopaths so you fail.
You base your conclusions on arrogance? You seriously need to get educated on the subject. Because theoretically saying that someone is a psychopath just because he is arrogant is dumb. i think you're smart enough to know why and even if you don't i wouldn't care enough to talk back because you're a waste o time...
@johnnyboi493 Of course, because you consider everyone who doesnt idolize your personality, agree with all your opinions and bend to your every whim both dumb and a waste of time.
By the way those are characteristics of a psychopath, do your research. Unlike you psychopathic types I am able to admit when i fail at something however it is not the case in this case.
@jagara1 his whole deal was overcoming the pessimism that usually follow the realization that there is no god (as in his pessimist predecessor schopenhauer, who he admired).. he got to a kind of bittersweet tragic joy, a view where the best of us will have to reinterpret our values and make life meaningful through music, philosophy, litterature, and so on. He tried to do this himself, but dedicated much of his thinking to a view that he should give birth to a future philosophy capable of it :)
Tl;dr The Sea Inside. Of course, the best kind of suicide is the creative one, like Sylvia Plath or the Tunisian guy who sparked the Arab Spring. Not everyone is in that position, but when killing yourself speaks more about the world than it does about you then I think what you have is a positive suicide.
@jagara1 I suspect it has something to do with ... "And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh. " - Nietzsche
@1peter18 and kiduk: Zizek certainly has a point. I'd go even further than him, and just let people kill themselves. Ultimately, it's one's own choice to commit the act; some might even argue it's the freest human act ever to exist. And I do believe in what he calls true metaphysical suicide. I bet you don't even know what Metaphysics mean to begin with. I like to think of happiness as a mask as opposed to an essence. In the end, we're all dead, so why not choose to die willingly?
this is completly wrong. Metaphysik doesnt exist so there cant be metaphysical suicide. Any depressed person should just get a live and maybe some drugs.
@1peter18 I think you are right. Zizek likes to have these outlandish views, mostly to get a rise out of people. True metaphysical crisis suicides do not exist, it is a mask for other issues that people like to pretend are some philosophical stance.
anyone knows what song is at the end ?
porquilhoo 1 week ago
Suicide is a secular, psychiatric "sin" because it is an outright rejection of the society, it's culture, and the control and oppression mechanisms in place. That would be the reason shrinks "work" on suicidal individuals. Just the Inquisition, in it's modern form.
MrDeicide1 2 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 If you don't believe that each one of us has a subjectivity and existential core this is an explanation.
What do you mean by "shrinks"? Psychiatrists or psychologists? If you're talking about psychiatrists "if" a patient tells him/her about suicidal ideation the "treatment is changing the drugs. That's what happened to Eric Harris, Columbine boy,
He told his parents he was having violent ideas and the psychiatrist changed Zoloft to Luvox.
Same drugs.
AnaLimaLuiza 2 weeks ago
Metaphysical suicide= euthanasia.
We want to understand why the person ended life.
Sometimes they don't leave a suicide note, don't have a disease so people cannot understand.
Judging them claiming that their reasons are not "noble", are silly is far from reality.
AnaLimaLuiza 3 weeks ago
As a matter of fact what Zizek proposes is already being done.
Everything about suicides is in the hands of the state and psychiatrists are those who are called to talk about when the subject is brought up.
There are numerous sites about suicide: prevention; studies by suicidologist/psychiatrists and so on.
Are they helping to make people not commit suicide? NO.
Are they helping to ease the pain? NO
Again: psychiatrists are far from understanding human condition. Just by the way they treat....
AnaLimaLuiza 3 weeks ago
The State and the Church do better: they condemn all suicides. Period.
AnaLimaLuiza 3 weeks ago
How far Zizek is from knowing about psychiatry's practice.
Psychiatrists don't even know about medicine-induced suicide like those committed under antidepressants SSRIs - Prozac-like.
They have no idea about human condition.
People don't commit suicide because they broke up with the boyfriend. This division metaphysical suicide and common suicide is not true.
People who commit suicide suffer the hell and spend years "making up their minds".
I like Zizek but this is not his best.
AnaLimaLuiza 1 month ago
@AnaLimaLuiza You didn't really get his explanation, he'sjust specultaing if there was some biopolitical institution that regulated suicide. He's not saying that people who go through break-ups committ suicde but threaten to do so somethimes, and it would be interesting to see them not walk all the way up the stairs as opposed to those who would actually do such a psychologically-significant traumatic experience.
xx1994xxversion2 4 weeks ago
@xx1994xxversion2 The speculation is about some medical or psychiatric adivisory committe team that should decide the case if a true metaphisical suicide or just a short crisis - you were drop by your girlfriend.
1) Psychiatry is far from understanding human condition and are prescribing drugs ghat induce suicide ideation knowing without informing their patients that they can become violent and kill someone or self
2) drug-induced suicide is not the same as true suicide
justana2 4 weeks ago
@xx1994xxversion2 3) Have you ever read about the struggle that those who commit suicide go through?
4) Traumatic experiences are those suicides we like the most because we can explain: "Oh! he has been at the war ans was traumatized."
5) Existential pain is never mentioned.
6) The taboo of talking about suicide, because it's a sin, because the person is considered morally weak by many and many other reasons causes a lot of misunderstanding
justana2 4 weeks ago
@xx1994xxversion2 7) What do you mean bu psychologically-significant traumatic experience"
He mentioned Foucault but he is not using the his biopolitical concept, on the contrary.
He is saying that there should exist a board to divide suicides in two categories.
I'm sorry but I still think he is in a happy moment.
justana2 4 weeks ago
@xx1994xxversion2 Should we create a scale of traumas? We already have the DSM that is ruining people's lives.
Metaphysical suicide and the rest...
This is totally strange.
justana2 4 weeks ago
@justana2 What are you going on about? You're totally taking this out of proportion, he's not saying there should exist such an institution but just what if there was such a thing. and he is speaking in Foucaldian terms, biopolitics is the bourgeoisie's use of biopower (control of the body and populations) to dominate society and a hypothetical psychiatric instutution that regulated suicide would be an example of such.
xx1994xxversion2 4 weeks ago
@xx1994xxversion2 You don't need to explain biopolitics for me cause I attended his Deleuze's classes and... let it be.
You are quoting the beginning of the video.
Listen to 01:18
" If you want to kill yourself some medical or psychiatric adivisory committe team that should decide the case if a true metaphisical suicide or just a short crisis like you were drop by your girlfriend... a moment of depression blah blah"
What is this?
AnaLimaLuiza 3 weeks ago
@xx1994xxversion2 I'm not taking out of proportion. I'm trying to make it clear what is at stake here because suicide is a very important issue that is not discussed.
It increases the pain of those who are fighting suicide.
One person commits suicide every 10 minutes.
You have no idea how many people struggles with suicide ideation. It is a huge pain.
It is sad that people take it as banal pain.
AnaLimaLuiza 3 weeks ago
@xx1994xxversion2 Psychiatry is one of the powers of biopolitics. It is not about one power.
Bourgeoisie's use of biopower? It was easier to fight the bourgeoisies. lol
AnaLimaLuiza 3 weeks ago
@AnaLimaLuiza He is a diagnosed schizophrenic. So, not far at all.
MrDeicide1 3 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 I never saw anything about Zizek being diagnosed schizophrenic.
He studied Lacan and prefer psychoanalysis instead of psychiatry.
The only possible way of seeing this video is that it is another of his humorous interventions.
I would like it to have a context to make it clear.
"Metaphysical suicide" is very funny.
AnaLimaLuiza 3 weeks ago
@AnaLimaLuiza Errm... That's strange. Because it's pretty easy to find. And nope, he meant by metaphysical suicide a suicide resulting from profound realization of the individuum that their life is a living horror and that creation/god ,if u will, overstepped its bounds by heaping unbearable suffering on said person.. MS as opposed to "Imma kill mahself cuz mah girlfriend dumped meh". I don't see where he made a joke.
MrDeicide1 3 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 So you believe that there are people who commits suicide just because they are unhappy because they cannot buy a new pair of jeans:
"I rather die than not buying this jeans."
Do yo believe that breaking up is the reason for someone to kill self. I'm not the one who will judge the pain that others suffer.
Cynthia took her life with his husband Arthur Koestler.
Who am I to judge, to measure other people's pain?
AnaLimaLuiza 3 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 So, there should be a group of people to judge who committed a reasonable suicide - the metaphysical, meaning those who have serious reasons to kill themselves - and the other idiots who took their lives because of simple reasons.
Well...
Kurt Cobain was famous, had money, had fans, had a career ahead him, had numerous friends, a band, a girlfriend...
He had everything.
Let's condemn him.
"We members of the Suicide Psychiatric Metaphysical Committee consider Kurt Cobain guilty"
AnaLimaLuiza 3 weeks ago
@AnaLimaLuiza Which part of HE MEANT and HE MADE don't you understand ?
MrDeicide1 2 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 Where did I say that there is a part I don't understand?
I wrote many comments explaining my views and I think it's very clear.
What I don't understand are your comments that are quite contradictory.
It seems to me that you think that a philosopher cannot contradict himself or say something that is not well phrased.
This is one of the virtues of Zizek: he is not talking to his peers. He says what he thinks. Enough of this discussion.
AnaLimaLuiza 2 weeks ago
@AnaLimaLuiza Nope, What you said, you demented mouthy twit -- Is that I held the beliefs he exposes on here. I simply explained what HE said. You continue with your verbal diarrhea unabated by any sense. Stop putting words into other people's mouths. And yapping on endlessly by beginning with "You think". Try to use that (hopefully) 2lb thing between your ears. And there was no "discussion" Just a display of your processing disorder.
MrDeicide1 2 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 I don't discuss with people whose arguments are as hominem or ad personae attacks.
Bye MrDeicide1 and try to educate yourself. BTW: do a search in the comments a did searching for how many times I used "I think." Once in this comment. There are only 6 "I think" in this page. I'm responsible for one of them.
You really need to start a critical thinking education because you are not able to form a coherent argument.
Bye and have a good life.
AnaLimaLuiza 2 weeks ago
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@AnaLimaLuiza corrections: whose arguments are "as" hominem
"ad" hominem
"comments "a" did searching for how many times I used "I think." "
"I" did searching....
Sometimes it seems that Renascence did not happened to some people.
AnaLimaLuiza 2 weeks ago
@AnaLimaLuiza Listen you retarded imbeciliac cretin. Stop Talking. Just fukkin stop.For fukks sake. Not even an elephant would have this much patience with you. You obviously can't comprehend the English language and/or are a complete schizzo.
MrDeicide1 1 week ago
He is making fun of our society now, and its the only thing he can do. Every smart person can se we are living WRONG way, and there is no future for us.
You have to pay for ALL bizzare things in the world, so the upgrade is, to pay and see a suicide, which is of course free will from a human. But like in other cases, we wont bother to HELP that particular human, but try to earn some money with that. Thats our NICE world to the people.
REVOLUTION !!!!
dulfaMB 3 months ago
"Why not give some beauty to an effacing death" - Michel Foucault. I strangely agree, although I probably wouldn't vote for it... :(
ThaHess 3 months ago
Zizek is a psychopath, thats all about it... his concern and conclusions about death are at least spectacular... :/
Petrhrabal 3 months ago
@Petrhrabal
Why do you think like that ? Because he is not thinking like 6.9 billion other people ? If he is, then everyone is a psychopath. TRUTH is in us, we need to tell it.
dulfaMB 3 months ago
@dulfaMB think about his motives for his topics... he can talk about everything, but he choses this... bdw. I can not follow his mind flow... he is terribly disorganised :/
Petrhrabal 3 months ago
@Petrhrabal
If he is disorganised or not, there is no one who can judge that. We are all living in a crazy world and thats the SMALLEST thing it can bother someone, cause they is like million more things that should be done and improved. And the most discusting thing is, IT CAN BE DONE. But why is not, thats the issue i mentioned before. For example, you can see a dog saving another dog on cnn, while there are thousands of people dying cause they have no food and water. Thats my thinking...
dulfaMB 3 months ago
@Petrhrabal please look op what a psychopath is before you tell someone that he is a psychopath dumbass
johnnyboi493 3 months ago
@johnnyboi493
psychopath (ˈsaɪkəʊˌpæθ)
Also called: sociopath a person afflicted with a personality disorder characterized by a tendency to commit antisocial and sometimes violent acts and a failure to feel guilt for such acts
Based upon this arrogant comment I think that you are probably a psychopath
babebeubaboon 2 months ago
@babebeubaboon baboon please look again at your own comment when you're mentally grown up. Oh? you wanna play the 'Based and probably' tactic? fine speculate all you about me I do not care enough to prove you wrong because
the lack of facts. Telling me that i am psychopath with little inconclusive evidence, is just one of the signs of arrogance. There are different kinds of psychopaths.. Could you tell me which kind I am because I wanna laugh.
johnnyboi493 2 months ago
@johnnyboi493 Your the kind of psychopath that cant take any form of criticism and takes themself way to seriously to laugh at themself.
babebeubaboon 2 months ago
@babebeubaboon Those aren't characteristics of psychopaths so you fail.
You base your conclusions on arrogance? You seriously need to get educated on the subject. Because theoretically saying that someone is a psychopath just because he is arrogant is dumb. i think you're smart enough to know why and even if you don't i wouldn't care enough to talk back because you're a waste o time...
johnnyboi493 2 months ago
@johnnyboi493 Of course, because you consider everyone who doesnt idolize your personality, agree with all your opinions and bend to your every whim both dumb and a waste of time.
By the way those are characteristics of a psychopath, do your research. Unlike you psychopathic types I am able to admit when i fail at something however it is not the case in this case.
babebeubaboon 2 months ago
@johnnyboi493 He's correct though, they are characteristics of psychopathy. That doesn't necessarily follow that you are a psychopath though.
BeestOfSpood 2 months ago
@jagara1 his whole deal was overcoming the pessimism that usually follow the realization that there is no god (as in his pessimist predecessor schopenhauer, who he admired).. he got to a kind of bittersweet tragic joy, a view where the best of us will have to reinterpret our values and make life meaningful through music, philosophy, litterature, and so on. He tried to do this himself, but dedicated much of his thinking to a view that he should give birth to a future philosophy capable of it :)
CPLains 5 months ago
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S0ulForgeD 5 months ago
Tl;dr The Sea Inside. Of course, the best kind of suicide is the creative one, like Sylvia Plath or the Tunisian guy who sparked the Arab Spring. Not everyone is in that position, but when killing yourself speaks more about the world than it does about you then I think what you have is a positive suicide.
hidenorivideo 5 months ago
This guy is quite funny, in a subtle manner that not everyone notices :)
jagara1 5 months ago
@jagara1 I suspect it has something to do with ... "And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh. " - Nietzsche
CPLains 5 months ago
@CPLains Thanks for the quote - I never realised Nietzsche was so positive, there again I know nothing of him other than the God statement :)
jagara1 5 months ago
@1peter18 and kiduk: Zizek certainly has a point. I'd go even further than him, and just let people kill themselves. Ultimately, it's one's own choice to commit the act; some might even argue it's the freest human act ever to exist. And I do believe in what he calls true metaphysical suicide. I bet you don't even know what Metaphysics mean to begin with. I like to think of happiness as a mask as opposed to an essence. In the end, we're all dead, so why not choose to die willingly?
FaithlessDwarf 6 months ago 6
this is completly wrong. Metaphysik doesnt exist so there cant be metaphysical suicide. Any depressed person should just get a live and maybe some drugs.
1peter18 7 months ago
@1peter18 I think you are right. Zizek likes to have these outlandish views, mostly to get a rise out of people. True metaphysical crisis suicides do not exist, it is a mask for other issues that people like to pretend are some philosophical stance.
kiduk 7 months ago
@1peter18 You're a fucking idiot.
luismendezs 6 months ago 5
@1peter18 You don't understand what Zizek is saying. He's not advocating the real existence of a metaphysical dimension out of your own head.
LuisManuelLealDias 6 months ago
@LuisManuelLealDias i think that Zizek tried to say, that if you want to do a suicide do it on a special way, so that you'll enjoy before you die.
ericburdontheanimal 6 months ago
@1peter18 xD!
Lustbutler 4 months ago
i love this shite
jradetzky 8 months ago
loool "niice modest ethucal suicide"
timetochilli 11 months ago 17
i want metaphysical suicide
jradetzky 1 year ago 12
@jradetzky
Rather not, It must be...
radekk76 1 year ago 3
@jradetzky Safer than a physical one
beyondthesystem 8 months ago
anyone know the music at the end?
ad15ovic 1 year ago