.223/5.56 and 7.62x39 VS 2 55 Gallon steel barrels, sealed

[dobravery]

Penetration is subjective. 7.62 AK penetrates hard objects (trees, cinder block) and keeps going. 5.56 SS109 will penetrate ballistice plate (or steel) and tear up the tissue behind it, better than 7.62 AK.

[dd7381]

I see what your saying but when it comes to soft tissue that 223 does a lot more damage not just in n out

[dawgtorsa]

@dd7381 That is assuming you have a direct hit. You have to take into consideration the fact that in a war situation, or self defense you rarely get the chance to put in a perfect shot. Usually there will be barriers and other factors surrounding you. I look at it as picking the tool for the job...I'm not going to keep only a philips screwdriver in my toolbox JUST because I like that....sometimes you need a flathead.

[dawgtorsa]

@dd7381 That is assuming you have a direct hit. You have to take into consideration the fact that in a war situation, or self defense you rarely get the chance to put in a perfect shot. Usually there will be barriers and other factors surrounding you. I look at it as picking the tool for the job...I'm not going to keep only a philips screwdriver in my toolbox JUST because I like that....sometimes you need a flathead.

[alen969]

223cal suks big time only 55 gr that round is 22 cal ok dumb ass bitches..

[joespaper]

Lol .223 rounds are no sissy rounds..

.223 rounds will hit targets farther then ak rounds.. ... Ha

[dawgtorsa]

@joespaper There are a lot of factors to consider. In some situations I'd prefer the 5.56, in others I'd prefer the 7.62.

[zooders]

@joespaper no they wont...you put both rounds in a similar platform and you will see how wrong you are. the smaller and lighter the bullet, the faster it slows down and more it is affected by gravity and wind...the one that is more than twice as heavy wont have nearly the same thing happen...physics win again.

[dobravery]

@zooders On paper 7.62 AK is lethal at 500yds, but in the practical world with conventional ammo, the x39 is dropping hard past 300yds making long range shots incredibly challenging. Your range estimate would have to be spot on. That's a reality even if you shot it from a bolt action. The flatter trajectory of the .223 gives it the 'real world' edge at such ranges.

[zooders]

@dobravery is that why the 223's smaller projectile drops at a faster rate than that of a heavy x39? is that also why 223's are more effected by wind drift? not to mention the amount of energy that is carried by the 223 at that range is barely enough to penetrate a person...and to prove that point a 55 grain fmj at 500 is moving at 1300 fps and carrying 200 ft lbs of energy after dropping 57 inches. and assuming a 10 mile an hour cross wind it will drift 50 inches.

[nativenight77]

Not every round made it out!

[ringgoamanda]

excellent video! two thumbs up!!!

[dawgtorsa]

@ringgoamanda Thanks! It was fun!

[KKKoonhater6669420]

@dawgtorsa i have a wasr 10 and every once in a blue moon it will go full auto for only 2 or 3 rounds (its a semi). i couldnt help but hear that happen in the video, did it?

[dawgtorsa]

@KKKoonhater6669420 I was just blasting away and I had a bit of a loose grip, it was more of a "bump-fire" than anything. I was just having a bit too much fun ;) Watching targets spray things everywhere is exciting ;) haha

[TagYourItNow]

That "water" looks like milk. Is that your drinking water. Lol. Do you live out in the woods with only 2 guns and shoot videos? This video was a wast of time. And ammo then.

[dawgtorsa]

@TagYourItNow "TagYourItNow" Your vs. You're Enough said. Haha I don't live in the woods, and I have more than two guns, and occasionally I make videos. I had fun, so no waste (wast) of time.

[TagYourItNow]

Go pick up some standard military issue 5.56mm green tips. It's should pass through multiple barrels. That was not a even match up.

[dawgtorsa]

@TagYourItNow It wasn't supposed to be even. It was just me shooting two barrels with different calibers for fun. This is clearly stated in the description. Allthough, I'm not entirely surprised how quickly some of these viewers jump on the "caliber debate" bandwagon. So many people seem to be insecure in their caliber choice and try to find reasons to argue.....it's quite sad, really.

[littlewhitewagon]

We (former military) use 5.56nato which is slightly different than .223. 5.56 packs more heat than .223 which could have made a difference against the water barrel. You can shoot .233 in a 5.56 weapon, its just a little slower and has less kick.

[dawgtorsa]

@littlewhitewagon I haven't seen .233 in my LGS but I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the great advice! Also, How do you know I wasn't using 5.56? Hm..........

[FlyTour69]

I heard the m16 is more accurate than an ak47. I know that isn't an m16, but it looks similar and uses the same round.

It seems that our military uses .223s and muslims use the ak47(7.62 x 39)

If I had to choose between m16 and ak47, I would definity choose m16. It looks better anyway.

[dawgtorsa]

@FlyTour69 I've heard a lot of things as well. Everybody has a lot of "expert" opinions, especially on the internet. Between the AR-15/M16 and the AK-47 I am not sure what I would choose if I absolutely have to.....I feel very confident with both rifles, and the calibers both have pros and cons....you just have to choose with what you'll need the most due to situations you're expecting. Penetration can be a good or a bad thing....that is a decision that many people need to make for themselves.

[OneBeanLeft]

@MrVoxC Not if your target is using cover that the .223 can't penetrate. Then, it's just wasted ammo. But no worries....you wouldn't be around to buy more.

[MrVoxC]

@OneBeanLeft im not gonna shoot through a brick wall at a guy, it was meant as a round breezing through a combatant straight up

[dawgtorsa]

@MrVoxC You never know though....

[MrVoxC]

@MrVoxC  I pick my shots.

[MrVoxC]

A round that goes through a "target" is wasted energy. 5.56 does what it's meant to do.

[dawgtorsa]

@MrVoxC That is up for debate, just like everything else argued about with caliber choices. You do have to take into consideration if someone is hiding behind something, or has thick clothing/vests. Vests usually will have magazines and other small equipment strapped to them, you might want something to tear through that as well. There is a lot to take into consideration. There is no PERFECT caliber choice, unfortunately.

[mrsentry08]

Good test really!

I'd like to see 545 vs 223!

[dawgtorsa]

@mrsentry08 I'll see if I can come across one. My buddy has an AK-74 so maybe I can steal it for the day....along with his 5.7! :)

[biggie12131]

nice video man just what i wanted to see

[dawgtorsa]

@biggie12131 Glad to hear! I had fun, and filming means others might enjoy it too ;)

[WoWoWeeMo]

wow thats weird cuz i tried this at home of my ar15 chamber in 5.56 and went thru the barrel like butter the same set up!..:)

[dawgtorsa]

@WoWoWeeMo Perhaps you were using different ammo? Longer barrel? Must have been something different. None of my 30 rounds made it through, and I was using ball ammo, I found it interesting to say the least! :)

[WoWoWeeMo]

@dawgtorsa i used 16 inch barrel with a PMC 556 xtac ammo

[JUKEBOXX1990]

@dawgtorsa sissy ass 223 california round..that round will blow your head up at 500 yards

[dawgtorsa]

@JUKEBOXX1990 It is extremely pathetic at times when people fail to see the humor in everything. Everybody has a point to make and has to get in their two cents, even when it's worthless. Learn to take a joke dude. Nobody was teasing you directly about being homosexual.

[JUKEBOXX1990]

@dawgtorsa hey man its was a joke..lol..no we know your homosexual cause you took it right up the ass..

[dawgtorsa]

@JUKEBOXX1990 Ouch, that hurts bro. Can I at least get the reach around?

[JUKEBOXX1990]

@dawgtorsa nope but you can put the 762 up your ass as well

[drewsathlon1]

check your grouping, from the 20 yards you put every round at center mass with the ar, not with the ak.

[dawgtorsa]

@drewsathlon1 It is absolutely hilarious to me that so many people that watch this video immediately and ignorantly assume that I am comparing the two rounds. Yes the spread is wider. Slightly more recoil means a slightly longer time getting back on target. I wasn't even using the sights in this video anyways, just blasting away.

[Earssss]

ak all the way... it will go thru an 8 inch tree/ 2 4x4 as well,,, so no hiding behind trees will save ya lol

try hunting hogs with an ar,,, piggy will come after you lol

ak hits targets just as far and as good as an ar,,,,,, why wouldnt they,, same lenght barrel

ak has killed more ppl on the planet than any other weapon on the planet

[millster101]

LOL not a good comparison , Of coarse .300 diameter bullet is a better penetrator. Try using the ak 74, agains the 5.56. That would be a good Comparison

[dawgtorsa]

@millster101 Read the description smart guy.

[dawgtorsa]

@millster101 I'd love to do that as well. I wasn't doing this video for comparison ;)

[ThEMiiZFiTZ]

In what way do steel barrels from 15 feet away resemble human flesh? Both rounds are good, but the ak and the ar are unfairly compared. 7.62x39 is much bigger and heavier. Compare 5.56 to 5.45 and see what round comes out on top.

[dawgtorsa]

@ThEMiiZFiTZ Whoever said I was comparing it to flesh? This wasn't a test. It says so clearly in the description. People are open to interpret the results however they wish.

[5CA5M]

is the video maerker thing in the videos timeline supposed to be a snowflake?

[dawgtorsa]

@5CA5M I guess! Haha, silly google!

[GTILOUD]

@5CA5M for the holidays lol

[ridemytube247]

... if there were an enemy behind that drum which gun would you use??? duh

[natemarmy]

If 223 is sissy, then step out about 100 paces and let me shoot you with it. People need to educate themselves on terminal ballistics before making ignorant comments. Past 200 meters 5.56/223 - 7.62x39 carries more energy and shoots much flatter. This test relates to real life in no way whatsoever.

[dawgtorsa]

@natemarmy LMAO! You're a funny guy, without trying to be. It is truly sad that you couldn't tell I was being sarcastic. Also sad that you considered this a test, when clearly in my video description I note that it is not. It was me having fun with both calibers. I own both weapons and I feel adequately equipped with either. I repeat, it was not a "test." :)

[ballyhoo321]

Decent vid glad ur into guns and all but I would like you to do this test again and not be in pistol range.Do a more realistic demonstration at realistic range like 200-400meters. Be sure to use an Ak47 not an AR in 7.62 and use current military ammo for each round so no Russian 55grn steel cased crap. Get some 62grn Lakecity green tip penetrators for the AR. After this you may be happy with 5.56. the 7.62 is more powerful but that don't mean a damn thing if u cant hit what u need to.

[dawgtorsa]

@ballyhoo321 Good suggestion, and I was actually thinking about doing that when I get a couple more barrels. That would be a lot of fun! Right now I'm limited to about 100 yards but I might be able to get out to about 300 soon. Then I gotta fill them up, dammit!

[ballyhoo321]

@dawgtorsa Thats cool at least u can shoot at different types of targets where your at.I would luv to shoot at something besides paper once in a while but my club wont allow it. Also I was wondering if ur AR was chambered in .223 or 5.56? Mine is 5.56 and I had regularly been shooting the "cheap Russian crap" I had mentioned and recently got some M855A1 nato stuff and holy crap what a difference!! It's almost feels like going up a caliber or two. Much more consistent and accurate.

[tainorebelde1]

Awesome video...this is why I choose 7.62x39. Awesome.

[shaveddave]

it seems that the 7.62 round made the barrel jump more.

[Ih8rtards]

LMAO!!! Shot them 7 or 8 times and only left a bruise? The sheer stupidity of some people will never cease to amaze me! My guess is your buddies were working the mess and never saw combat duty. Please SgtMustang do not post any more as you are doing nothing but making your self appear stupid. The part about the thick clothing was really good for a laugh too. That was a rumor about the old .30 m1 carbine when fighting the chicoms and north koreans in the korean war

[dawgtorsa]

@Ih8rtards Yes troll, and he showed me some rather nasty pictures I would have rather not seen. The head shot was disturbing, but everything else was literally like paintball welts. The rounds did NOT penetrate even the clothing fully. It was rather pathetic.

[Blown4banger]

Great video. Good comparison.

[dawgtorsa]

@Blown4banger Thanks!

[WiDeathMachine]

Hi, do you mean California round is the .223 caliber or just the grain bullet you shot that day?

[dawgtorsa]

@WiDeathMachine Don't take me too serious with that statement, I was only teasin the round itself. :) It's fun to poke the caliber debate fire on occasion ;)

[WiDeathMachine]

@dawgtorsa I thought i was funny. thanks for responding and nice video.

[SgtMustang375]

@dawgtorsa now you just proved 5.56 is more deadly cause all the little dents in the back mean one thing the round couldnt exit meaning it bounced back on the inside tearing the internals up even more until the energy disappated

[dawgtorsa]

@SgtMustang375 I didn't prove anything, and neither did this video. It was just for fun, the results can be interpreted in many different ways. The debate will still continue ;)

[SgtMustang375]

@dawgtorsa if something goes cutting strait threw it will bleed less then something that tears the 5.56 being lighter losses it energy inside bringing it to bounce around inside and tear up alot of shit from one round I would rather be shot with an AK then an M16

[dawgtorsa]

@SgtMustang375 Yeah, but that is only under a certain set of conditions. For example, if someone has a lot of thick clothing, or is behind a thin wall or something, the 5.56 might not get the chance to do anything.....so, a direct hit would most likely be more deadly with the 5.56. It's just about balancing the correct tool for the job, I think both calibers are a great choice.

[SgtMustang375]

@dawgtorsa but if they are wearing a vest the 5.56 will go threw because its a smaller round with higher fps meaning its like putting a needle threw cloth but the needle cant come out the back so it bounces around and tears the fuck out of your insides so theres 3 bullets worth of damage in one shot 5.56

[dawgtorsa]

@SgtMustang375 If you say so, but I personally know several people that have been to Iraq and Afghanistan and obviously were required to use the 5.56 and they spoke of MANY times that they nailed a dude like 7 or 8 times in the chest and inflicted no damage aside from a bruise until they got in a head shot. On the opposite side there were several times that their fellow troops had 7.62 rip right through their vests and cause severe injury....I'm just sayin' man, results may very.

[monstarmarkum]

yes i was mildly thinking of ar but my sks has great acuracy and i like the harder hit. glad i kept mine also



[dawgtorsa]

@monstarmarkum How is your accuracy with the SKS in comparison to the same ammo out of an AK?

[monstarmarkum]

@dawgtorsa seams alot better i got a yugo with a compensator on it welded it has = kick to a 22lr :) super sweet also got the ati stock with pistol grip and 6 point ajusting stock that also folds to the side and i put forward folding grip also. super sweet. o yes and most sks have 20 in mine has 23 but most are crome line i guess yugos are not but i hear pep some how get better accuracy out of yugos must be the other 3 inchs lol. sorry for bad spelling i got dislexea.

[zams650]

LOL.... "sissy-ass .223 California round".... freaking hilarious:) I've recently been debating if it would be best to keep my SKS and buy a pistol, or sell the SKS and get an AR15 and be without the pistol... Your video has very much aided me in my decision making process, thank you for posting it. I would probably regret selling my SKS anyway, with the Tapco Intrafuse stock, I love that gun! Not to mention, $320 SKS (+stock) vs. $900 AR15... MUCH better value, in my opinion.

[dawgtorsa]

@zams650 I have an AR and an AK and I feel confident with both rounds :)

[pkasimov]

@zams650 Both weapons and both rounds have their place and purpose. It just depends on YOUR purpose. In reality, the 7.62 round is a better killing round, while the AR platform is a far superior weapon in terms of being fighter-friendly. But again, all circumstantial.

[tacticalgreyghost]

is why i got me ar15 in 7.62x39 chamber...lol..also have a ak-47..but love the 30 cal round...!!!

[trinexxxbaker]

@tacticalgreyghost the only reason i bought an ak47 over an ar15 10years ago. cause of that sissy ass .223 California round. now i have 2 ar 15s in 7.62x39mm

[relax328]

ak-47 wiins!!

[lenovoR62]

Loved the video. Wow, the 7.62 x 39 kicks the hell out of the 223 round.

[dawgtorsa]

@lenovoR62 It did in penetration, if that's what you're going for. :)

[TheHomestuck]

@dawgtorsa So Is the AK47 a good weapon for great stopping power?

[dawgtorsa]

@TheHomestuck I think it is. It depends how it is employed. There are so many different choices of ammo these days I think both calibers are just fine :)

[dawgtorsa]

@TheHomestuck I think so. I think the AR-15/M16 is great as well. Both have positives and negatives :)

[AZGunEnthusiast]

Cool test, thanks for posting!

[dawgtorsa]

@AZGunEnthusiast Thanks! I try to just have fun with stuff, and since I have a decent enough camera, maybe I'll share my fun....lol

[djy0tub3r]

Were you using steel core on the 7.62?  I think that you were using 2 different types of bullets, an unfair comparison.

[dawgtorsa]

@djy0tub3r It was not any sort of comparison. I never said it was. The video was just me shooting the barrels. People can draw their own conclusions from the results. The 7.62 was HP, and the 5.56 was FMJ. They weren't meant to be compared. It was interesting to me how much further the 7.62 hollowpoints penetrated compared to the 5.56 FMJ. It could be an advantage, or a disadvantage in different scenarios. You just gotta pick the right tool for the job. I'd choose both. :)

[Metalmachinechild]

The 7.62x39 prevails.

[dawgtorsa]

@Metalmachinechild It prevails if penetration is what you're going for. In some situations it's good, others not. to each his own. :)

[highvelocity2]

BFD..........so he killed an oil drum. I've used the 5.56 in combat and it does just what it's supposed to do.

[dawgtorsa]

@highvelocity2 I think both calibers do what they should, in most situations. Within different variables however, each caliber presents it's own set of strengths and weaknesses. Some situations penetration would be better, and others, not.

[TheEPCpwn]

@lHustonProductionsl ok what ever you say even though i tested pratically every bullet know to man in various ways!!! so what ever and yes i have lots of guns

[dawgtorsa]

@TheEPCpwn Let's all just not troll around and argue relentlessly. The caliber debates will never be settled. There are pros and cons for every round, and different situations where certain rounds might be best. This was just a video for fun, not to prove anything one way or another. I will, however open the barrels up and check out the slugs and see how they look ;) Subscribe and check it out. This isn't for science or debate. Just for fun, results speak for themselves.

[TheEPCpwn]

@lHustonProductionsl exactley because they are "CHEAP" and dont do what a hollow point is supposed to do. Also the bullets shouldnt have been able to make it through the water because the onle caliber that can penetrate water is the .22

[huguenot67]

When in a gun fight with a .223, be sure to ask your target NOT to try to hide behind anything. It helps to say pretty please.;-)

[onlyoneflip]

lol i love my 7.62x39

[1celts79]

This guy is a BS artist and manipulator ... your videos are now compromised and anything you post going forward should be looked at as suspect.

[dawgtorsa]

@1celts79 You smokin' somethin bro?

[TheEPCpwn]

yes the .223 may not have came out but that is what it is designed to do when it goes into someone it expands and cause more enternal damage killing the person quickly but the ak47 isnt designed for such a purpos. the 223 cartridge is still the best in the world.

[dawgtorsa]

@TheEPCpwn "Best" is always left for opinions. I think both rounds are great, both have strengths and weaknesses. Funny thing though, I was using hollowpoints for the AK, FMJ for the AR and the AR still didn't penetrate. In some instances lack of penetration would be a good thing, but not in all scenarios.

[TheEPCpwn]

@TheEPCpwn not tying to be a bitch but there was no way u used hollow points with the ak cause the hollow points would have stopped at the water

[dawgtorsa]

@TheEPCpwn The results speak for themselves. Yes they were hollowpoints. Not all of them came out. Roughly half of them did.

[Atheist18505]

I am not sure about this but from a perspective, if the bullet does not exit, in theory dumps most of it's energy in the target(person, animal, etc) not to mention Yaw and Tumble. Both rounds are very effective against people sized target's. I would not fuck with either.

[1988force85]

@Atheist18505 ANOTHER THING PEOPLE NEED TO THINK ABOUT .....IF HE WAS USING WOLF AMMO IN THE AK OR MOST OTHER IMPORT AMMO THEY HAVE A BI METAL JACKET WHICH IS METAL JACKET THATS BEEN COPPER WASHED AND IF THE 556 WASNT BI METAL IT IS COPPER JACKET WHICH IS ALOT SOFTER.

[doogal313]

how is 5.56 a sissy california round????

[bioraven]

I have one of those...... I think I might have to bring up mine when I come to visit!

[dawgtorsa]

@bioraven You have a barrel? haha

[tubevideoguy762]

@dawgtorsa

I do not doubt you test results but if you were shooting ss109 out of an a2 style ar15 it would have had zero trouble penetrating a steel water barrel and actually will penetrate more than a 7.62x39mm round

[dawgtorsa]

@tubevideoguy762 This wasn't much of a test really...just me having fun. I think the 7.62 and the 5.56 both have their own great features. I think different jobs require different tools and they both fit for their own. I just found it interesting that I was shooting FMJ 5.56 that penetrated less than HP 7.62

[tubevideoguy762]

@dawgtorsa

yeah i agree but you were likely shooting the 55 grain lead core fmj bullets not the 62 grain steel core ammo like the pmc xtac and many others.

[leadchunkersoutdoors]

sks is bad ass.

[saenzu]

I'm a weapons expert with the military. Have taught all four services The Military goes with .223 because of the cost of the round, the weight of carrying an extended full load plus and of course the fact that a .223 in a combat situation has the same effect on a hit target as a 7.62. It may not have the shock value as a 7.62 but has the same effect. Remember it's not always beneficial to kill someone right away rather than in jure them and have their buddies incapacitated by carrying them!

[dawgtorsa]

@saenzu I agree. I think both rounds have equal advantages and disadvantages. I think a lot of the arguments are pure speculation, and it's a pot that people will never stop stirring. I say choose the tool for the job that best suits most of your needs.

[liam2863]

this does not prove a thing he could have soft point 223 and full metal jacket 7.62x39 and the 223 is designed to shatter and blow up organs killing fast.

[dawgtorsa]

@liam2863 I wasn't trying to prove anything, but the 7.62 was hollowpoint, and the .223 was FMJ, not soft point or hollow. :)

[wesreaper1]

So why does the US military go with the .223? Doesn't make any sense too me.

[bracsim]

@wesreaper1 there most be a reason why the US military go with the 223, there most be a reason why the experts choose the 223 over the 7.62 dont you think, going thru does not mean anything, hitting a target does.

[dawgtorsa]

@bracsim Some experts choose .223, some choose 7.62. I think it's really preference. In my personal opinion I'd choose the right tool for each job. Every caliber could fit the bill used in different scenarios.

[markssite]

hmm 7.62 went through and the .223 didnt and you think thats better HAHA. when a bullet stays in the target that meant it fragmented and tore the target's organs to shreds instant death. thats far better than going clean through.

[dawgtorsa]

@markssite To an extent that might be true. But, you would also have to take into consideration that if the 7.62 is exiting, what chunks of your insides is it gonna carry with it. Obviously a drum full of water doesn't prove much. :)

[Voldness]

@dawgtorsa Agreed. And, at the end of the video, the shockwaves are twice as big, as is blowing the back out of the target, which means much more blood loss. AK for the win. No contest.

[ajohnson]

@markssite True, all the .223 energy is transfered to the barrel. But you may want that penitration for if somebody is taking cover behind an object.

[dawgtorsa]

@ajohnson Not just that...so many other variables can change the direction of the .223 more than they would affect the direction of the 7.62....I've seen tests where even a few blades of grass can throw it off. That kind of.......sucks. In my opinion they both come out even. Some positives and negatives for both. I own both. I enjoy both. I trust my life with both.