Salaam. Verily Mankind is ungrateful to his LORD. Imagine people breathe the air, eat and drink of the provisions on Earth, are able to see, hear, speak, think, feel, and enjoy all that ALLAH has created; yet they ask for more proof that Allah is ever present! Yea but ALLAH is closer to man than his jugular veins. Before people blaspheme against ALLAH they should really ponder upon their own beginning in the womb, and GLORIFY ALLAH. But for many there is a veil over their eyes, ears, and hearts.
From "Muslims believe in only one god(Allah) not gods" your request (i.e. to change my video description) does not logically follow. You need to demonstrate the existence of your "only one god (Allah)" first. Then we will likely arrive at a consensus...
Really? How come you cant demonstrate that knowledge? Let me guess...
"If God was angry with us"
Sure... "You" wouldnt be living in those inferior conditions in which "you" currently are living. Right?
"too many rain"
Riiiiiight...
"If God hates America and loves us"
Despite all the contemporary turmoil, America is still doing much better on average than vast majority of Muslims around the world. Should give you to think.
@Wrath0fKhan "I did. But did you?" !! what !! Is this a joke I read the Quran from age 7 and so far !! In the month of Ramadan, all Muslims read the whole Quran The first time I read the whole Quran at age 12 I read from page 1 to the last So do not talk like you know more than me! "" Why should I?" At least I have faith in my heart And i feel comfortable but Are you comfortable with Everything you do in your life!!!
That doesnt mean you "really" read it. That doesnt mean you really understand it. And so on.
"read whole Q"
Again, reading is not like reading.
"dont talk like you know more"
Of course I do know more than you. Ive been studying the Islamic religion for couple of years quite extensively by reading religious Islamic literature (Quran, Sahih Hadith, Tafsir, Sirat, Islamic philosphy, etc.), I have as well listened to hundreds of lectures, talked to imams, laity and so on.
@en3am1993 "and convinced every word" Thats why you really dont understand it. "I do everything written in it" Oh my goodness... Will earn you a prison stay sooner or later. "your age 45 and still commit adultery" And? Free love for everyone! "drink wine and other" Those are the good things in life if enjoyed moderately. "is this what your religion told you to do" Yea...
You are confusing converts, who are just a small number (and occurring at a small rate) with the born ones, who are a big number (and rather at a high rate, too).
Thats an extremely low number. Especially low in comparison to "Muslim immigration" and "Muslim births".
"increase"
Because of living births, not because of conversions. And because most people are actually extorted to stay Muslims. Even more so, often these people are not Muslims anymore but are "counted" as such.
"unlike other religions"
Thank goodness religiosity on the average in the "West" is declining.
You do not even believe in God or the last day of reckoning !
I really feel sorry for you
You are living your life without a goal, not even know who created you
At least you have faith in your heart!!!
You want me to see God?
This response from the Quran
Al-Baqarah (55) And remember ye said: "O Musa! We shall never believe in thee until we see Allah manifestly," but ye were dazed by thunder and lightning even as ye looked on.
@Wrath0fKhan We are in the month of Ramadan, we fast the whole month Do not eat or drink for half a day From sunrise to sunset You will ask why? I will answer you they worship And God also teaches us a lesson in order to experience the pain of others So after the month of Ramadan comes the Eid God told us to give poor people money and food But to see the wisdom of God at first madeus feel Pain Then give them what God has granted us
"fast the whole month Do not eat or drink for half a day"
Thats kinda a pointless exercise.
"you will ask why"
Well... I know why you do that, but I dont know why you still believe all those fairy tales. It already became obvious that you are "forced" to equivocate on many issues.
"God also teaches us"
You havent demonstrated any "God" yet.
"give poor people money"
One doesnt need a god to give poor people money. Money by itself is not the solution either.
See again the verses Ive been referring to. If you cant demonstrate the power of those, you have nothing but fairy tales. And we know the results already, dont we. In other words, no problems were solved at all, people keep suffering and you keep selling me an empty sack of potatoes instead of a full one. Time to sober up, dont you think so.
"There is the end of the world and Paradise and Hell"
Really? Like where...
"but your word"
But what about your word? Can your Allah create a fly out of scratch? Show me! Sacred Hadiths (i.e. Hadith Qudsi 35) clearly say that "he" will do anything you ask him to do. And verily thats easy for Allah (i.e. Quran 9:51, Quran 57:22, Narrated Ibn Abbas, Sahih at-Tirmidhi). So... All you need to do is to stop talking and simply to show me.
"Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur’ân and Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) from among the people of the Scripture and Al-Mushrikûn will abide in the Fire of Hell. THEY ARE THE WORST CREATURES."
S. Al-Imran, Verse 85:
"And WHOEVER seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will NEVER BE ACCEPTED of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."
Would you please remove these SOCIALLY RACIST verses from your "holy book"?
@Wrath0fKhan That's right But you have something called Ten Commandments in the Christian Law And the first commandment: 1. The Lord our God is one But you have 3 Jesus and the Holy Spirit and God!!! Commandment 6. Do not commit adultery Really!! Do you follow these commandments I put a video in my channel I hope that you see it
@en3am1993 "Thats right" So... Got you there! "Ten Commandments" Arent you confusing inward oriented religious laws with outward oriented ones? Caught another fallacy of yours. "you have 3 Jesus and the Holy Spirit and God" I have no idea what you are mumbling about. "do not commit adultery" Adultery is best! In the long term it promotes genetic diversity and health. "Do you follow these commandments" Why should I?
Allah as well says that he is a master plotter. Are you denying the true history of Allah? Are you denying Allahs family? No wonder he keeps the Muslims down. :-)
And when We cause mankind to taste of mercy after some adversity which had afflicted them, behold! they have some plot against Our revelations. Say: Allah is more swift in plotting. Lo! Our messengers write down that which ye plot.
Any implications? Indeed! You are lost in an unsolvable liars paradox loop...
@Wrath0fKhan define 'plotting' which you speak of? I was simply educating you on something which you made a mistake in saying. with clear evidence Allah doesn't have 'daughters' or any children, ottherwise you'd be better off, believing in christianity?
@HannahA "I was simply educating you" What? Better educate yourself. "Define "plotting"" Scheming (Arabic "makara") - as in creating evil schemes to deceive someone. "which you made a mistake" I didnt make any mistake. "with clear evidence Allah doesnt have daughters" What evidence? A deceptive text? No... Go for an archeological dig in Saudia. "better off believing in Christianity" Even better; stop believing in fairy tales altogether. If you cant, choose "Lutheranism" or equivalent.
@Wrath0fKhan Please, take your ideas somewhere else, if you do not believe in Islam, why are you watching Hajj? Please..people like you bring it upon yourselves. wallahi life is such a test, because of you and people of the like. stop giving us hard time, Read the Qur'an, if it's deceptive, PROVE it's deceptive? Because Allah is the best plotter, schemer, we can also scheme, we are just not the best.
@Wrath0fKhan inferiority? no, we're only inferior to people who're racist/religionist and MAKE us inferior.. 'The arab is not superior to the non arab, nor the non is superior to the Arab, nor black to white or white to black, except in matters of piety.' brav, Wrath of Khan? If you hate islam...you have a Muslim surname in your name. and well, don't believe, you'll see. honestly read the Qur'an. i'll even send you one if you want me too? i'll go through it with you? just please read. if not, go
"we are only inferior to people who are racist/religionist and make us inferior"
No... "You" are inferior based on objectively measurable criteria. See the already alluded to indicators.
"The arab is not superior to the non arab ... except in piety"
Piety is the most useless of virtues anyway. Is it actually a virtue? Id say it aint one at all. Best of people? Who? All of those rulers will be from Quraish? You cant believe that nonsense yourself, can you.
@Wrath0fKhan then isn't a virtue, being patient? isn't a virtue being respectful? don't fault someone's beliefs, when you have NO beliefs of your own. and no. Quraysh is a tribe..why would i follow a tribe? i follow muslims.
Let me check... Not really. Certainly not being respectful of plain nonsense.
"Quaraysh is a tribe..why would i follow a tribe?"
Since you lack knowledge about some very basic, yet to the core traditional Islamic tales, I guess it doesnt make much sense to explain those to you. You as well seem to lack basic training in logic.
@Wrath0fKhan yuu lack logic if you think there are daughters of Allah and i've shown you in the Qur'an it says he doesn't. now go and read. i really pray sincerely that you don't die a kaafir. may Allah make you of the righteous. insha'Allah ta'ala. you also lack logic if you think being uneducated is knowing your surname is Muslim. and if you've read, you'd know the Ayah which i quote from. but you clearly show evidently you don't. and plain nonsense, is your life.
@HannahArnett1 "yuu lack logic" Id say I dont lack logic. "if you think there are daughters of Allah" Open up a standardized encyclopedia (e.g. Britannica). "ive show you in the Quran it says he doesnt" Yet the Quran is a book based on deceptions by its own admission. Back to logic, right? You are lost in a so called liars paradox loop. "surname is Muslim" Again, a well established encyclopedia reference ought to fix your ignorance. "Ayah" Confusing ayat with ahadith? Wake up already.
rain is considered a blessing in islam , hajj is a beautful time for muslims and a little rain hold no consequence for pilgrams that have travled thousands of miles to be a part of that beautiful pilgramage
@Wrath0fKhan "The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none." -- Deuteronomy 28:12 thats a biblical scripture, i believe in Jesus moses , and Mohammed as prophets i believe in god i just call him allah , and i believe in all the books of god bible torah and Quran, i am a muslim and i know betten than to hate people that are simply ignorant..
@Wrath0fKhan freakking red neck hillbilly ( still dont hate you but god ur soo stupid ) .. i cant hate a retard cause they cant judge normal people :P
Not all people were as happy and lucky as you, right? Neither can you demonstrate that it was "God" who tricked you into thinking as you do, right? You are bust right there... :-)
Makkah is a desert and usually does not rain. Do you think ALLAH sent rain down because he is angry or He sent down rain as a blessing? Prophet Muhammad used to make dua saying: O Allah, wash away my sins with snow and hail water, purify my heart from the sins as is purified the white garment from the dirt, and keep away at a distance the sins from me as yawns the distance between the East and the West.'' Making dua to ALLAH when it rains or when thunder is around will erase your sins Insh'ALLAH
Thats nonsense... Why... Because anyone can literally replace the label of Allah with anything else and everything stays the same.
I have a better proposal. There is a paper with a specific combination of numbers and letters in an envelope on my table. Ask this Allah of yours to tell you the that specific combination and post it here in this thread. Maybe you are asking yourself why should Allah tell you anything like that? See Hadith Qudsi 35. Btw, its all for a "good cause".
@Wrath0fKhan Do not be ignorant brother. ALLAH blessed Saudia with oil and rich natural resources. There have not been an earthquakes or tornadoes EVER. If ALLAH was angry he would of destroyed Makkah with tornadoes and earthquakes. Why do you think Makkah has been pure for thousands of years? Have you read Surat al Dookhan?
Really? Well... The era of oil is coming to an end. Dont know about any other resources - maybe untapped gas? Yet gas is (almost) everywhere - e.g. in shale formations.
"no earthquakes or tornadoes ever"
Swarm of Saudi earthquakes raises seismic concerns (msnbc)
Saudi Arabian earthquake update for 5/19/2009 (scienceblogs)
Al-Kurdi/Encyclopedia of Islam according to Wikipedia:
"The rainfall, as scant as it is, also presents the threat of flooding and has been a danger since earliest times. According to Al-Kurdī, there had been 89 historic floods by 1965, including several in the Saudi period. In the last century the most severe one occurred in 1942. Since then, dams have been constructed to ameliorate the problem.[36]"
@Wrath0fKhan It seems to me that you are an athiest no? Allah says: ''Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made EVERY living thing of water? Will they not then believe?'' Top scientists in the world converted to Islam because the Quran is the only religion that makes sense. I ask Allah to open your heart and seek mercy and guidance from Allah. Ameen.
"Allah says: "Have not those ... Will they not then believe""
Plainly said thats hermeneutic and even hermetic nonsense.
"top scientists in the world converted to Islam"
Thats even more nonsense. No real scientist in his capacity as a scientist would believe these things. Btw, if they did, they would certainly be able to publish their findings in appropriate scientific peer reviewed literature. You guess it, no one ever did.
@Wrath0fKhan Are we not 72% water? I am a chemistry/biology student and my teacher is a new convert to Islam because I showed him proof from the Quran. There are videos on youtube where scientists seen proof from the Quran and converted to Islam by saying ''I bear witness that Allah is God and Muhammad pbuh is the messenger of Allah'' Wake up and smell the roses, insha'Allah we muslims will smell them in Jannah AMEEN!
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz "are we not 72% water" Nope... "I am a chemistry/biology student" So what? Until now you havent demonstrated any of to be expected knowledge (of such a person). "teacher convert to Islam because I showed him proof from the Quran" Its entirely possible that in some aspects your teacher is perhaps stupid and ignorant. "vids on YT where scientists" Debunked nonsense. "smell the roses" Youd better smell reality. See the difference? You are hooked up to an "opiate".
@Wrath0fKhan Well look at you being so ignorant and a hypocrite. I have not demonstrated any knowledge where as any grade 7 student will tell that we are made up of 72% water? You know what I think? I think that you just search google and get some random information and reply to my comments with your info. NOT ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE INTERNET IS TRUE!
If you cant substantiate your demagogic charges, we will eventually have to part our ways.
"any grade 7 student will tell that we are made up of 72% water"
If she says so, then she is as ignorant and dumb as you are.
To make it very easy for you - wiki:
"Guyton's Textbook of Medical Physiology states that "the total amount of water in a man of average weight (70 kilograms) is approximately 40 liters, averaging 57 percent of his total body weight."
No... I dont know what you really think. Not yet. Maybe soon. Maybe in 20-30 years or so. We are already developing that kind of technology.
"not all the information in the internet is true"
So what? Dont you know how to extract the most valuable one? Dont these dumb teachers teach you that? Looks like they dont... No wonder, since they are dumb!
You can test yourself. Remember Hadith Qudsi 35? And if you conduct such a test properly, you will never ever get a better result than "applied chance". What follows is your Allah is nothing better, nothing more than chance. Better stick to Al-Uzza, Al-Lat and Manat. Under their virtual rule you can at least run around naked. And whats better than that!
Come to think of it, a roof needs pillars for support.
Our earth's roof is the sky. The sky has no pillars, so who is supporting it ?
Who is supporting the clouds that remain between the earth and the Sky ?
When it starts raining, even if every person in the world tries to stop the rain using any sort of technology, they can't. We call it "Nature". So if we call something what we can't control 'Nature', aren't we referring to an individual who is incharge ?
@neutral999 To explore and find the question of our answers, we HAVE to be unbiased. Otherwise, we won't get anywhere at all. Thats how I became a muslim.
Usually because of some "accidents". Whether chemical, mechanical, geological, even cosmic, etc.
"what is our purpose"
Do you have a family? Then family is something like your immediate purpose (e.g. caring for children, old parents, for yourself, etc.). Do you have friends? Do you live in a society? Then those are your purpose. Aint that enough of purpose? Need more? Invent new science. Help people living better lives. And so on and so forth.
@Wrath0fKhan When we die, does our 'journey' finish ?
Are we just born to die ?
"Measurable physical forces"
Who controls those forces ?
principles of methodology and metaphysical naturalism tend to keep changing time after time, give me something which hasn't changed for a thousand years.
If we don't refer to someone being in charge, then we are concluding towards the fact that 'nature' is a living being ?
I asked 'why do we die', not How do we die. Having a family, helping, thats a purpose ?
Why should anyone control them? Why would you presuppose that? How would you test (such a claim)? You said you were open minded. So...
"tend to keep changing"
The core principles remain pretty much the same. What changes thats our understanding about the world we live in. That is, our understanding is more precise, allowing us to make much better predictions than ever before.
"if we dont refer to someone being in charge ... is a living being"
Why? That simply is a non sequitur (e.g. such a conclusion does not follow necessarily). You said you were open minded. Ive watched literally hundreds of hours of dawah lectures. Maybe you will decide to watch this series of vids (starting here):
Hold your horses... If there is a chemical "accident" that makes you (or anyone else) die, then such an explanation answers your "why-question", too. It may well be that "accidents" are one of the fundamental properties of nature and therefore the answer can be considered valid.
Is it not one? For instance, if "you" leave "your kids" hungry, thirsty, they will eventually die a premature death. If you leave "your" old parents alone, they will likely suffer more, having it much harder to sustain themselves. Etc... Expert biologists found genes that regulate our compassion. So yes, nature equipped us with tools giving us something like a purpose. A purpose given us by "chemical accident" and natural selection.
How would you know that... It may be exactly those "Gods" (in charge) who you keep disbelieving in.
"rain is a blessing from Allah"
Look at some of the vids in the right hand column. Those floods, all that damage, all the people who died, who had to suffer, etc., have nothing to do with any kind of blessing. On the contrary...
@Wrath0fKhan Because it's their time brother every man on Earth will die . They died while they worshiping Allah They died while they are doing what Allah asked them to do . That shows that Allah is Satisfied with them .
How would you know that? Do you have access to some oracle or something?
"every man on Earth will die"
Well, some might die elsewhere, too. Maybe some will live "forever". There are biological mechanism that could potentially allow that. There are possibly even some loopholes in physics which could allow a very advanced race to create their own "Universes".
How would you know that? What criteria are you using to determine that? What about other "gods" being angry. Such a hypothesis is a much more simpler one.
@Wrath0fKhan Whatever fairy tale you are talking about i don't believe it. I only believe in one God , Allah the one and only . You want to believe in 3 or 4 Gods it's not my problem .
The Qura'n says : (Or , who originates Creation Then repeats it , And who gives you sustenance From heaven and Earth ? Can there be another God besides God ? Say Bring forth your argument , If ye are telling the truth.)
Give me the proof that there is another Gods besides God.
@MrYalabena "whatever fairy tale" E.g. the Quranic fairy tale. "only believe in one God" So what if you believe only in "one God". Exactly that "one God" can be and most likely is a fairy tale, too. "you want to believe" I want to believe that human stupidity is in many cases preventable and that such a claim can be demonstrated. "who gives you sustenance" Certain physical and biochemical processes that can be accounted for. "bring forth your argument" If you could only do that... ;-)
@Wrath0fKhan Proof that there is any God. Man are you blind ? How did we came ? Who do you think created the Heavens and Earth ? How do you think created that whole universe ? Who is capable to do that except Allah?
@Wrath0fKhan Read the Qura'n miracle of miracles written by Allah and you will find the answer yourself . Listen to this video and tell me could this be written by a man. youtube.com/watch?v=X6OKJFLAit4
Ive read the Quran several times in several languages. Ive read several of the sahih hadith, too. There are no miracles to be found there. Those texts are mostly useless and irrelevant.
Not only could those texts have been written by a "man", there are several indications that those in fact were written by a "man", or even better, by several men, maybe even throughout several centuries (and later those were compiled into one book).
"give me one sentence written by a man that is alike"
Here is a naturalistic poem written by a man who lived several hundred years earlier than Muhammad. It evidently surpasses the Quran by a wide margin .
So what? Muslims claim that the Quran cant be properly translated, only "interpreted". That poem cant be properly translated, either. It can be only "interpreted". You will find plenty of such interpretations (google care) if you are interested. You could learn Latin, too...
The bottom line is that such text does exist and that it surpasses the Quran by a far margin.
@Wrath0fKhan Did he said that poem in public. The answer is No because he know that it can't be equal to the Qura'n . Give me the name of one person who came out in public saying that he wrote something alike the Qura'n .
Quran, Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 86 (according to Qurancomplex):
Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allâh) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."
Where exactly is that place to be found (and or reached)? As Ive said, the Quran is a "fairy tale". Its useless.
Fairy tale of the (reachable) place of the setting sun.
"means that he reached far west"
There is no place of the setting sun (to be reached) in the far west. Such place simply does not exist. Dont you get that one? No wonder you prefer to subscribe to fairy tales.
@Wrath0fKhan What ????? He went west . He walked towards the west . He ran towards the west . Such a place doesnot exist you mean that we can't go west.
There is no reachable place of the setting Sun in the West. Dont you understand that? Going West and reaching the "Setting Place of the Sun" is obviously a huge difference. Wake up, please...
@Wrath0fKhan you wake up and open your mind !!!!!! Setting of the Sun means West . He reached a place far away in the direction of the west. I hope you understand this time.
And that comes from a deluded Muhammadan fairy tale lover.
"It means that he reached a place in the direction of west"
Thats something youve invented, since the interpretation is obviously clear (e.g. "he reached the place of the setting sun, he found it setting..."). Indeed, no such place exists.
"become smarter"
Something the Ummah has been lacking for a long time. The trend seems to remain stable. ;-)
the GODS(?) are angry!!!!!and all they can do is make it rain!!!!!How pathetic of the gods!!!The rain didnt stop the pilgrimage of 2.5+ million Muslims....We muslims r followers of ONE ALLAH!!!!nd the rain just show our resolve to obey the commands of ONE ALLAH!!!!
ALHAMDULILLAH!!!!!!
Unlike you,We muslims wont let a little rain bother us
This "one allah" of yours didnt prevent those angry gods from killing a hundred people. You muslims were allegedly promised by that "one allah" no burden placed on you would be heavier than you could bear.
Something doesnt add up here, does it...
Better ask Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat for forgiveness or one day they will get you, too!
@Wrath0fKhan You fool. This moon god lie was disproved long ago, before they spread. To bring the argument is really weak and is evidence only of stupidity and helplessness, because even Jesus a.s. says Allah to god! You ignorant moron obsessed Islamophobic! May Allah guide you
You fool! The moon deities will keep punishing you and the whole Ummah until you accept their sovereignty.
How is some Jesus supposed to support your argument? Think before you spout more nonsense.
You are the one who is suffering a phobia of everything that is unislamic.
Since everything that is unislamic is dominant when compared to Islam, and since key tenets of Islam are not demonstrable, its you who is most likely wrong. Simple logic...
i dont know what religion u follow...but to tell muslims(who r strictly monotheists) to pray to others beside One GOD is a really really bad joke....
And what do u knw about what is islamic nd unislamic..
People die all the time....If one dies while performing the hajj then he's indeed a blessed 1....some say if u die while performing the hajj then u go to heaven..but that is not a big issue....more then 2.5 million people perform the hajj each year...its not surprising that some will die...Hajj is dynamic..while on hajj people die, babies r born...Allah test our faith by putting us into difficulties...
Sure. Yet many deaths are for example preventable by (very) simple means.
"while performing hajj"
Honestly, that sounds like a ridiculous equivocation.
"not surprising that some will die"
No, thats "statistically" (e.g. after smoothing out the data) not surprising at all. What is surprising though, thats those people died in a storm front. Thats not as common at all.
"die/born"
What about their families? What about risk minimizing?
Salaam. Verily Mankind is ungrateful to his LORD. Imagine people breathe the air, eat and drink of the provisions on Earth, are able to see, hear, speak, think, feel, and enjoy all that ALLAH has created; yet they ask for more proof that Allah is ever present! Yea but ALLAH is closer to man than his jugular veins. Before people blaspheme against ALLAH they should really ponder upon their own beginning in the womb, and GLORIFY ALLAH. But for many there is a veil over their eyes, ears, and hearts.
1deenforme 2 months ago
@1deenforme
Holy slave morality!
Wrath0fKhan 2 months ago
hello friend,Please change your video description Muslim believe in only one god(Allah) not gods
rama635 2 months ago
@rama635
From "Muslims believe in only one god(Allah) not gods" your request (i.e. to change my video description) does not logically follow. You need to demonstrate the existence of your "only one god (Allah)" first. Then we will likely arrive at a consensus...
Wrath0fKhan 2 months ago
and watch madani channel by typing url
: madanichannel(dot)tv
kevinsaad 5 months ago
there is no GOD but ALLAH and Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم is His Messenger.
now no more comments required from non muslim side, and yeah we muslims say welcome to you towards islam. please be Muslim
kevinsaad 5 months ago
There is only One Allah
rain for musslims is a mercy not anger
basayl 5 months ago
@basayl
"mercy"
I wouldnt call "this" mercy:
watch?v=spJzZNwCglo
Wrath0fKhan 5 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan i think u dnt hav an idea how hot te wetha is dwn there.
tuffan99 4 months ago
@tuffan99
"u dnt hav an idea how hot te wetha is dwn there"
I may not know about "te wetha", however, I may know about divine disfavor.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
I live in Mecca
There is not much rain come down
But we pray to the rain falls in the Hajj
And God is not angry but a mercy from God
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
Still, your "god" has failed you. And if I were you, Id better consult a brain expert to keep all that damage in check.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
Well say what you want to say
But everyone knows that God is merciful :)
If God was angry with us
It is known that in the Middle East, there is little rain
But in the U.S. and other Western countries
There are too many rain
If God hates America and loves us
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"everyone knows"
Really? How come you cant demonstrate that knowledge? Let me guess...
"If God was angry with us"
Sure... "You" wouldnt be living in those inferior conditions in which "you" currently are living. Right?
"too many rain"
Riiiiiight...
"If God hates America and loves us"
Despite all the contemporary turmoil, America is still doing much better on average than vast majority of Muslims around the world. Should give you to think.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
Sorry I can not speak English well
But this does not mean that your word is true
Yes, everyone knows that God is merciful
Maybe you do not know because you not know anything about our religion
You are attacking our religion and you do not understand anything about
So please read about Islam before judging it
And I respect all religions and I am not racist towards a particular religion!!
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"but this does not mean that your word is true"
Of course its not about this. Its about that! And yes, that one is true. That is, demonstrably true.
"yes everyone knows"
On the contrary. Actually its the other way around. The alluded to evidence will eventually serves as "proof".
"you are attacking our religion"
Whats wrong with that? Have you ever even read the Quran? You dont sound like you did.
"so please read"
I did. But did you?
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3
"I read the Q"
That doesnt mean you "really" read it. That doesnt mean you really understand it. And so on.
"read whole Q"
Again, reading is not like reading.
"dont talk like you know more"
Of course I do know more than you. Ive been studying the Islamic religion for couple of years quite extensively by reading religious Islamic literature (Quran, Sahih Hadith, Tafsir, Sirat, Islamic philosphy, etc.), I have as well listened to hundreds of lectures, talked to imams, laity and so on.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
I understand what is written in the book
And convinced every word
I do everything written in it, and commanded by God and the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
Unlike you!! Your age 45 and still commit adultery, drink wine and other ... Is this what your religion told you to do ?
en3am1993 4 months ago
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
Well!
Why is there a huge number of American and other Western countries
Convert to Islam!
Type in YouTube (Convert to Islam!)
And also (CNN: 1.5 MILLION CONVERTS TO ISLAM AFTER 9 / 11)
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"huge number"
Thats not a huge number. Actually its far more people who leave Islam. Islam is mostly propagating by breeding.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
you mean that they born muslim ? not they convert to islam !
ok watch this video
'85 Year old American-Scottish revert to Islam, Why? New 2011"
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"you mean that they born muslim"
For sure.
"not they convert to islam"
You are confusing converts, who are just a small number (and occurring at a small rate) with the born ones, who are a big number (and rather at a high rate, too).
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
you so wrong
just watch this vide, the name of it
(More than 1500 People in Germany saying the Shahada !The Shahada is the Muslim declaration of )
see the happy in their faces
i'm happy for them to :)
Believe me, the number of Muslims for the world to increase their so why ??
Unlike other religions
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"you so wrong"
On the contrary.
"More than 1500 people in Germany"
Thats an extremely low number. Especially low in comparison to "Muslim immigration" and "Muslim births".
"increase"
Because of living births, not because of conversions. And because most people are actually extorted to stay Muslims. Even more so, often these people are not Muslims anymore but are "counted" as such.
"unlike other religions"
Thank goodness religiosity on the average in the "West" is declining.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
ok .. I just want to ask you
Who is God according to your religion?
What will happen after death, depending on your religion too?
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"I just want to ask you"
I see.
"Who is God according to your religion"
A false concept/model with insufficiently predictive capability.
"What will happen after death, depending on your religion"
After death we apparently cease to exist as sentient beings. Our bodies decompose and eventually get "recycled" in some form or another.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
"A false concept/model with insufficiently predictive capability."
What do you say ? I know that Christians believe in Jesus the Son of God or God
Are you a Christian ??????
"After death we apparently cease to exist as sentient beings. Our bodies decompose and eventually get "recycled" in some form or another."
wooooow !! Even in the Christian religion
There is the end of the world and
Paradise and Hell !But your word says that there is new life !
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en
"What do you say?"
Exactly that. You even quoted me properly - and thats what I said and thats what I still maintain.
"I know that Christians believe"
So what if they believe so? Until they dont start shutting up and even killing people just as Muhammad did, then a there is no problem.
"Are you a Christian?"
What?
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
God guide you !!!!
You do not even believe in God or the last day of reckoning !
I really feel sorry for you
You are living your life without a goal, not even know who created you
At least you have faith in your heart!!!
You want me to see God?
This response from the Quran
Al-Baqarah (55) And remember ye said: "O Musa! We shall never believe in thee until we see Allah manifestly," but ye were dazed by thunder and lightning even as ye looked on.
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"but ye were dazed by thunder and lightning even as ye looked on"
Do you believe in Zeus? Or is it rather Thor?
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"I really feel sorry for you"
You should rather feel sorry for these people. They surely need some real help instead of fairy tales and placebos:
watch?v=_Fchqco8yOA
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"fast the whole month Do not eat or drink for half a day"
Thats kinda a pointless exercise.
"you will ask why"
Well... I know why you do that, but I dont know why you still believe all those fairy tales. It already became obvious that you are "forced" to equivocate on many issues.
"God also teaches us"
You havent demonstrated any "God" yet.
"give poor people money"
One doesnt need a god to give poor people money. Money by itself is not the solution either.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
You look at the dark side only
Is a beautiful religion but unfortunately there are those who make it
Religion of murder!
Look at these sections to see the joy in their faces once they enter Islam
watch?v=SdSWmpGC6h4&feature=feedlik
watch?v=J3sjnU_YFR8&feature=feedlik
watch?v=4kvmrc8lCa0&feature=feedlik
watch?v=k47O0bRdSDg&feature=relmfu
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"you look at the dark side only"
No... I look at the real side.
"is a beautiful religion"
Yea... Fairy tales are always "beautiful". Yet when put to test they usually fail. But you dont get it.
"their faces once they enter Islam"
You cant be serious. Reality check (just a couple of examples):
consang(.)net/index(.)php/Global_prevalence
hdr.undp(.)org/en/statistics
watch?v=I29uzBg7buo
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
Sorry because I was delayed in a Answer you ..I'm very busy this holiday ><
Well, another question
Do you have a mind??
en3am1993 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"what God has granted us"
See again the verses Ive been referring to. If you cant demonstrate the power of those, you have nothing but fairy tales. And we know the results already, dont we. In other words, no problems were solved at all, people keep suffering and you keep selling me an empty sack of potatoes instead of a full one. Time to sober up, dont you think so.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"you are living your life without a goal"
On the contrary... I have plenty of goals. Just like helping other people to live better lives.
"not even know who created you"
Do you? Where you there? Have some pics?
"You want me to see God"
No... I want you to ask him (i.e. as was already established by referring e.g. to HQ35) to demonstrate "his" powers. But you dont get it, right?
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"There is the end of the world and Paradise and Hell"
Really? Like where...
"but your word"
But what about your word? Can your Allah create a fly out of scratch? Show me! Sacred Hadiths (i.e. Hadith Qudsi 35) clearly say that "he" will do anything you ask him to do. And verily thats easy for Allah (i.e. Quran 9:51, Quran 57:22, Narrated Ibn Abbas, Sahih at-Tirmidhi). So... All you need to do is to stop talking and simply to show me.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@en3am1993
"respect all religions"
Islam does NOT respect any other religion than Islam.
Translations of the Meanings of the Noble Quran, Surah Al-Imran, Verse 85:
"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers[1]."
"racist toward a particular religion"
Since when is religion a race? And if your religion is a race, how come it is ultimately racist towards any other religion (as we can see above)?
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@en3am
S. Al-Bayyinah, Verse 6:
"Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur’ân and Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) from among the people of the Scripture and Al-Mushrikûn will abide in the Fire of Hell. THEY ARE THE WORST CREATURES."
S. Al-Imran, Verse 85:
"And WHOEVER seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will NEVER BE ACCEPTED of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."
Would you please remove these SOCIALLY RACIST verses from your "holy book"?
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
en3am1993 4 months ago
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
There is only One Allah
basayl 5 months ago
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boyzz28 6 months ago
@boyzz28
"meaning"
Nix Jew, Christian Muslim, Hindu... You failed... Good bye...
Wrath0fKhan 6 months ago
Allah as well says that he is a master plotter. Are you denying the true history of Allah? Are you denying Allahs family? No wonder he keeps the Muslims down. :-)
Wrath0fKhan 6 months ago
the gods? you mean one god allah subahanwataala
farrix101 7 months ago
@farrix101
"one god allah"
Which one is that? The one with those sexy godly daughters?
Wrath0fKhan 7 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan no there is one god only not gods and what sexy godly daughters! no hayaa
farrix101 7 months ago
@farrix101
"no there is one god"
What is this... Is there one god? Is there a god? Is there no god? What do you mean by that...
"what sexy godly daughters"
Al- Uzza, Al-Lat and Manat. Didnt you know? LOL
Wrath0fKhan 7 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan Surah Al ikhlaas Ayah 3 'Allah does not beget, nor is he begotten' He doesn't have daughters. Astagfirullah.
HannahArnett1 6 months ago
@HannahArnett1
A "plotting" Allah? For sure!
Q 10:21
And when We cause mankind to taste of mercy after some adversity which had afflicted them, behold! they have some plot against Our revelations. Say: Allah is more swift in plotting. Lo! Our messengers write down that which ye plot.
Any implications? Indeed! You are lost in an unsolvable liars paradox loop...
Wrath0fKhan 6 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan define 'plotting' which you speak of? I was simply educating you on something which you made a mistake in saying. with clear evidence Allah doesn't have 'daughters' or any children, ottherwise you'd be better off, believing in christianity?
HannahArnett1 6 months ago
Wrath0fKhan 6 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan Please, take your ideas somewhere else, if you do not believe in Islam, why are you watching Hajj? Please..people like you bring it upon yourselves. wallahi life is such a test, because of you and people of the like. stop giving us hard time, Read the Qur'an, if it's deceptive, PROVE it's deceptive? Because Allah is the best plotter, schemer, we can also scheme, we are just not the best.
HannahArnett1 6 months ago
@HannahArnett1
"bring it upon yourselves"
Indeed... Hence comes all the social, economic and scientific inferiority. Just check out e.g. the HDI indicator, or TIMSS and PIRLS, etc.
"prove its deceptive"
Of course its deceptive. It promises you "riches" yet its "philosophy" delivers you social, economic and scientific inferiority.
"because Allah .. we are just not the best"
Your fairy tale god is a schemer, plotter, deviser of deceptions. Youd better wake up...lol
Wrath0fKhan 6 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan inferiority? no, we're only inferior to people who're racist/religionist and MAKE us inferior.. 'The arab is not superior to the non arab, nor the non is superior to the Arab, nor black to white or white to black, except in matters of piety.' brav, Wrath of Khan? If you hate islam...you have a Muslim surname in your name. and well, don't believe, you'll see. honestly read the Qur'an. i'll even send you one if you want me too? i'll go through it with you? just please read. if not, go
HannahArnett1 6 months ago
@HannahArnett1
You again...
"we are only inferior to people who are racist/religionist and make us inferior"
No... "You" are inferior based on objectively measurable criteria. See the already alluded to indicators.
"The arab is not superior to the non arab ... except in piety"
Piety is the most useless of virtues anyway. Is it actually a virtue? Id say it aint one at all. Best of people? Who? All of those rulers will be from Quraish? You cant believe that nonsense yourself, can you.
Wrath0fKhan 6 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan then isn't a virtue, being patient? isn't a virtue being respectful? don't fault someone's beliefs, when you have NO beliefs of your own. and no. Quraysh is a tribe..why would i follow a tribe? i follow muslims.
HannahArnett1 6 months ago
@HannahArnett1
"then is not a virtue, being patient"
Patience =! piety.
"being respectful"
Let me check... Not really. Certainly not being respectful of plain nonsense.
"Quaraysh is a tribe..why would i follow a tribe?"
Since you lack knowledge about some very basic, yet to the core traditional Islamic tales, I guess it doesnt make much sense to explain those to you. You as well seem to lack basic training in logic.
"i follow muslims"
In reality you follow a deceptive pagan moon god.
Wrath0fKhan 6 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan yuu lack logic if you think there are daughters of Allah and i've shown you in the Qur'an it says he doesn't. now go and read. i really pray sincerely that you don't die a kaafir. may Allah make you of the righteous. insha'Allah ta'ala. you also lack logic if you think being uneducated is knowing your surname is Muslim. and if you've read, you'd know the Ayah which i quote from. but you clearly show evidently you don't. and plain nonsense, is your life.
HannahArnett1 6 months ago
Wrath0fKhan 6 months ago
@HannahArnett1
"you have a Muslim surname"
What you dont say... Are you really that uneducated? Poor, poor, poor Hannah...
"honestly read the Quran"
Youd better start honestly educating yourself in history, sciences, math, logic, even arts, music, literature, etc.
"send you one"
Ive got plenty of Qurans. I dont need them anymore.
"please read"
Will you ever stop discrediting yourself?
Wrath0fKhan 6 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan read the Quran !
AnaMasry96 7 months ago
@AnaMasry96
Read De Rerum Natura! And... Test yourself!
Wrath0fKhan 7 months ago
Gods*??? God..
Just 1 God.
AnaMasry96 8 months ago
@AnaMasry96
Demonstrate/prove it... Its as simple as that. ;-)
Wrath0fKhan 8 months ago
rain is considered a blessing in islam , hajj is a beautful time for muslims and a little rain hold no consequence for pilgrams that have travled thousands of miles to be a part of that beautiful pilgramage
sleepalldayy1 8 months ago
@sleepalldayy1
"rain is considered a blessing in islam"
Thats because you suffer from divine disfavor. No matter how much you attempt to de-rationalize your problems, they will simply stay problems.
Wrath0fKhan 8 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan "The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none." -- Deuteronomy 28:12 thats a biblical scripture, i believe in Jesus moses , and Mohammed as prophets i believe in god i just call him allah , and i believe in all the books of god bible torah and Quran, i am a muslim and i know betten than to hate people that are simply ignorant..
sleepalldayy1 8 months ago
@sleepalldayy1
The ignorant tool of Allah speaks of ignorance. Fascinating.
Wrath0fKhan 8 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan freakking red neck hillbilly ( still dont hate you but god ur soo stupid ) .. i cant hate a retard cause they cant judge normal people :P
sleepalldayy1 7 months ago
@sleepalldayy1
Retard = sleepelldayy1 :-)
Wrath0fKhan 7 months ago
@SuperCloe09
Cocky CAPS?
=
Ban.
Have a nice one! And remember this; not even Allah nor Muhammad will help you to over come this digital burden imposed on your YT handle. :D
Wrath0fKhan 8 months ago
@SuperCloe09
"do you know"
Do you know? How dare you...
Wrath0fKhan 8 months ago
look at them how they are happy :)
i love the rain..and i thank God the rain fall in Hajj 2009, the wather was HOT and because of the rain the weather turn cold.
skysands2008 9 months ago
@skysands2008
Not all people were as happy and lucky as you, right? Neither can you demonstrate that it was "God" who tricked you into thinking as you do, right? You are bust right there... :-)
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan what are you talking about?.
skysands2008 9 months ago
Makkah is a desert and usually does not rain. Do you think ALLAH sent rain down because he is angry or He sent down rain as a blessing? Prophet Muhammad used to make dua saying: O Allah, wash away my sins with snow and hail water, purify my heart from the sins as is purified the white garment from the dirt, and keep away at a distance the sins from me as yawns the distance between the East and the West.'' Making dua to ALLAH when it rains or when thunder is around will erase your sins Insh'ALLAH
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Rain is Rahmat of Allah .
Only one Allah not gods
rocky8666 9 months ago
rain is rahmat of Allah and only on Allah not gods
rocky8666 9 months ago
@rocky8666
Are you denying the blessings of Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat?
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
watch this video and learn how Allah almighty exist .
Does God ( Allah ) Exist ?
Kenarah 10 months ago
@Kenarah
Thats nonsense... Why... Because anyone can literally replace the label of Allah with anything else and everything stays the same.
I have a better proposal. There is a paper with a specific combination of numbers and letters in an envelope on my table. Ask this Allah of yours to tell you the that specific combination and post it here in this thread. Maybe you are asking yourself why should Allah tell you anything like that? See Hadith Qudsi 35. Btw, its all for a "good cause".
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago
Allah is Angry ! did he tell you that ! are you Muslim khan !
That rain is considered mercy in hajj, because it's too hot there ..
Don't say something about Allah almighty that he didn't say !
Kenarah 10 months ago
@Kenarah
"mercy in hajj"
Riiiiight:
watch?v=2mhyww9Mdqs&feature=related
"Dont say something about Allah"
Dont say anything about Allah at all if you cant demonstrate "his" existence (which you obviously cant do).
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
can you demonstrate " not his" existence (which you obviously cant do).
Kenarah 10 months ago
@Kenarah
What?
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
HUH
Kenarah 10 months ago
@Kenarah
What is this?
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan Do not be ignorant brother. ALLAH blessed Saudia with oil and rich natural resources. There have not been an earthquakes or tornadoes EVER. If ALLAH was angry he would of destroyed Makkah with tornadoes and earthquakes. Why do you think Makkah has been pure for thousands of years? Have you read Surat al Dookhan?
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 9 months ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz
"oil and rich natural resources"
Really? Well... The era of oil is coming to an end. Dont know about any other resources - maybe untapped gas? Yet gas is (almost) everywhere - e.g. in shale formations.
"no earthquakes or tornadoes ever"
Swarm of Saudi earthquakes raises seismic concerns (msnbc)
Saudi Arabian earthquake update for 5/19/2009 (scienceblogs)
EarthquakeDB
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz
"pure"
Al-Kurdi/Encyclopedia of Islam according to Wikipedia:
"The rainfall, as scant as it is, also presents the threat of flooding and has been a danger since earliest times. According to Al-Kurdī, there had been 89 historic floods by 1965, including several in the Saudi period. In the last century the most severe one occurred in 1942. Since then, dams have been constructed to ameliorate the problem.[36]"
Wake up until its too late! LOL
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan It seems to me that you are an athiest no? Allah says: ''Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made EVERY living thing of water? Will they not then believe?'' Top scientists in the world converted to Islam because the Quran is the only religion that makes sense. I ask Allah to open your heart and seek mercy and guidance from Allah. Ameen.
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 9 months ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz
"Allah says: "Have not those ... Will they not then believe""
Plainly said thats hermeneutic and even hermetic nonsense.
"top scientists in the world converted to Islam"
Thats even more nonsense. No real scientist in his capacity as a scientist would believe these things. Btw, if they did, they would certainly be able to publish their findings in appropriate scientific peer reviewed literature. You guess it, no one ever did.
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan Are we not 72% water? I am a chemistry/biology student and my teacher is a new convert to Islam because I showed him proof from the Quran. There are videos on youtube where scientists seen proof from the Quran and converted to Islam by saying ''I bear witness that Allah is God and Muhammad pbuh is the messenger of Allah'' Wake up and smell the roses, insha'Allah we muslims will smell them in Jannah AMEEN!
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 9 months ago
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan SIGH..... I can argue with you and debate but Im just going to waste my time. Are you arab by any chance?
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 9 months ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz
"I can argue with you and debate"
No you cant. You are a dumb stupid kid.
"waste my time"
You are wasting mine. Im willing to give you ONE last chance. If you f*ck it up yet again, its over, sweety.
"arab by any chance"
That question is utterly irrelevant.
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan Well look at you being so ignorant and a hypocrite. I have not demonstrated any knowledge where as any grade 7 student will tell that we are made up of 72% water? You know what I think? I think that you just search google and get some random information and reply to my comments with your info. NOT ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE INTERNET IS TRUE!
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 9 months ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz
"ignorant and a hypocrite"
If you cant substantiate your demagogic charges, we will eventually have to part our ways.
"any grade 7 student will tell that we are made up of 72% water"
If she says so, then she is as ignorant and dumb as you are.
To make it very easy for you - wiki:
"Guyton's Textbook of Medical Physiology states that "the total amount of water in a man of average weight (70 kilograms) is approximately 40 liters, averaging 57 percent of his total body weight."
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz
"you know what I think"
No... I dont know what you really think. Not yet. Maybe soon. Maybe in 20-30 years or so. We are already developing that kind of technology.
"not all the information in the internet is true"
So what? Dont you know how to extract the most valuable one? Dont these dumb teachers teach you that? Looks like they dont... No wonder, since they are dumb!
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz
"open your heart"
You can test yourself. Remember Hadith Qudsi 35? And if you conduct such a test properly, you will never ever get a better result than "applied chance". What follows is your Allah is nothing better, nothing more than chance. Better stick to Al-Uzza, Al-Lat and Manat. Under their virtual rule you can at least run around naked. And whats better than that!
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz
Lastly, concerning all the natural stuff not occurring in Makkah - you ought to admit that you simply were wrong. Time to wake up, dear comrade!
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
could you edit please from gods to god thanks
00taken00 10 months ago
@00taken00
Al-Uzza, Al-Lat and Manat are not pleased at all. I must decline your suggestion.
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago
Come to think of it, a roof needs pillars for support.
Our earth's roof is the sky. The sky has no pillars, so who is supporting it ?
Who is supporting the clouds that remain between the earth and the Sky ?
When it starts raining, even if every person in the world tries to stop the rain using any sort of technology, they can't. We call it "Nature". So if we call something what we can't control 'Nature', aren't we referring to an individual who is incharge ?
Why do we die ? What is our purpose ?
neutral999 1 year ago
@neutral999 To explore and find the question of our answers, we HAVE to be unbiased. Otherwise, we won't get anywhere at all. Thats how I became a muslim.
neutral999 1 year ago
@neutral999
"have to be unbiased"
Well, again... The winning card since the 18th century has been methodological and metaphysical naturalism.
"otherwise we wont get anywhere at all"
Aint that exactly what happened to the Muslim world (since the 13th century)? The gap is obvious.
"thats how I became a muslim"
No... How can I claim that? Because in your responses youve applied some of the most basic fallacies.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@neutral999
"come to think of it .. so who is supporting it"
That, dear comrade, that line of thinking practically equals Greek mythology.
"who is supporting the clouds"
Measurable physical forces.
"we call it "Nature""
For a very good reason... The principles of methodological and metaphysical naturalism are EVIDENTLY dominating (if not victorious).
"individual who is in charge"
No, "we" are not referring to any kind of individual in charge. Doing so is a blatantly fallacious approach.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@neutral999
"why do we die"
Usually because of some "accidents". Whether chemical, mechanical, geological, even cosmic, etc.
"what is our purpose"
Do you have a family? Then family is something like your immediate purpose (e.g. caring for children, old parents, for yourself, etc.). Do you have friends? Do you live in a society? Then those are your purpose. Aint that enough of purpose? Need more? Invent new science. Help people living better lives. And so on and so forth.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan When we die, does our 'journey' finish ?
Are we just born to die ?
"Measurable physical forces"
Who controls those forces ?
principles of methodology and metaphysical naturalism tend to keep changing time after time, give me something which hasn't changed for a thousand years.
If we don't refer to someone being in charge, then we are concluding towards the fact that 'nature' is a living being ?
I asked 'why do we die', not How do we die. Having a family, helping, thats a purpose ?
neutral999 1 year ago
@neutral999
""journey" finish"
Yes (all evidence seems to suggest that).
"who controls those forces"
Why should anyone control them? Why would you presuppose that? How would you test (such a claim)? You said you were open minded. So...
"tend to keep changing"
The core principles remain pretty much the same. What changes thats our understanding about the world we live in. That is, our understanding is more precise, allowing us to make much better predictions than ever before.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@neutral999
"if we dont refer to someone being in charge ... is a living being"
Why? That simply is a non sequitur (e.g. such a conclusion does not follow necessarily). You said you were open minded. Ive watched literally hundreds of hours of dawah lectures. Maybe you will decide to watch this series of vids (starting here):
watch?v=mSy1-Q_BEtQ
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@neutral999
"I asked "why do we die", not How do we die".
Hold your horses... If there is a chemical "accident" that makes you (or anyone else) die, then such an explanation answers your "why-question", too. It may well be that "accidents" are one of the fundamental properties of nature and therefore the answer can be considered valid.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@neutral999
"Having a family ... thats a purpose?"
Is it not one? For instance, if "you" leave "your kids" hungry, thirsty, they will eventually die a premature death. If you leave "your" old parents alone, they will likely suffer more, having it much harder to sustain themselves. Etc... Expert biologists found genes that regulate our compassion. So yes, nature equipped us with tools giving us something like a purpose. A purpose given us by "chemical accident" and natural selection.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
It's God (Allah), not Gods.
Second, Rain is a blessing from Allah.
neutral999 1 year ago
@neutral999
"Its God (Allah), not Gods"
How would you know that... It may be exactly those "Gods" (in charge) who you keep disbelieving in.
"rain is a blessing from Allah"
Look at some of the vids in the right hand column. Those floods, all that damage, all the people who died, who had to suffer, etc., have nothing to do with any kind of blessing. On the contrary...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
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"religion is the biggest vacuum cleaner
sold to the people,
by the people,
to rip off people".
zulfiqar tareen,
mortal enemy of moses, jesus, muhammad, and all pagan gods.
zulfitareen 1 year ago
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we asians are expert in selling vacuum cleaners to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaners of judaism and chrisianity to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaner of islam to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaners of hinduism, sikhism and budhism to the world.
Ever wondered why no prophet, bhagwan or guru was ever born in englnad, holland, poland, norway, new zealand, australia, or brazil.
we specialize in creating and selling the vacuum cleaners in the name of religion.
zulfitareen 1 year ago
Allah Akbar the rain couldn't stop them.
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
Why did up to 100 people have to die?
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan Because it's their time brother every man on Earth will die . They died while they worshiping Allah They died while they are doing what Allah asked them to do . That shows that Allah is Satisfied with them .
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"because its their time"
How would you know that? Do you have access to some oracle or something?
"every man on Earth will die"
Well, some might die elsewhere, too. Maybe some will live "forever". There are biological mechanism that could potentially allow that. There are possibly even some loopholes in physics which could allow a very advanced race to create their own "Universes".
"while worshiping Allah"
I dont know. I dont think it matters at all.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"Allah asked them"
Any evidence of this? Most likely not...
"Allah is satisfied"
How would you know that? What criteria are you using to determine that? What about other "gods" being angry. Such a hypothesis is a much more simpler one.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan Whatever fairy tale you are talking about i don't believe it. I only believe in one God , Allah the one and only . You want to believe in 3 or 4 Gods it's not my problem .
The Qura'n says : (Or , who originates Creation Then repeats it , And who gives you sustenance From heaven and Earth ? Can there be another God besides God ? Say Bring forth your argument , If ye are telling the truth.)
Give me the proof that there is another Gods besides God.
MrYalabena 1 year ago
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"give me proof ... besides God"
You give me "proof" that there is any god. Otherwise accept the wrath of local deities just like Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat! ;-)
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan Proof that there is any God. Man are you blind ? How did we came ? Who do you think created the Heavens and Earth ? How do you think created that whole universe ? Who is capable to do that except Allah?
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"Proof that there is any God"
Yes, please.
"are you blind"
What? Does this god of yours only show itself to people that are not blind? Thats a ridiculous claim.
"who created"
Why created? We cant claim that anything was created. All we can observe and measure is that everything changes its "phase".
"who is capable .. except Allah"
If this Allah of yours is "capable", then its easy to demonstrate such a claim. Go ahead and demonstrate it or just humble yourself...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan Read the Qura'n miracle of miracles written by Allah and you will find the answer yourself . Listen to this video and tell me could this be written by a man. youtube.com/watch?v=X6OKJFLAit4
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"read the Quran"
Ive read the Quran several times in several languages. Ive read several of the sahih hadith, too. There are no miracles to be found there. Those texts are mostly useless and irrelevant.
Not only could those texts have been written by a "man", there are several indications that those in fact were written by a "man", or even better, by several men, maybe even throughout several centuries (and later those were compiled into one book).
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan If it could be written by man then give me one sentence written by a man that is alike the Qura'n
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"give me one sentence written by a man that is alike"
Here is a naturalistic poem written by a man who lived several hundred years earlier than Muhammad. It evidently surpasses the Quran by a wide margin .
thelatinlibrary(.)com/lucretius/lucretius1(.)shtml
tinyurl(.)com/4gytq4
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan Qura'n is written in Arabic this poem is not written in Arabic or English so i can understand it
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"Arabic .. English"
So what? Muslims claim that the Quran cant be properly translated, only "interpreted". That poem cant be properly translated, either. It can be only "interpreted". You will find plenty of such interpretations (google care) if you are interested. You could learn Latin, too...
The bottom line is that such text does exist and that it surpasses the Quran by a far margin.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan Did he said that poem in public. The answer is No because he know that it can't be equal to the Qura'n . Give me the name of one person who came out in public saying that he wrote something alike the Qura'n .
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
Quran, Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 86 (according to Qurancomplex):
Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allâh) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."
Where exactly is that place to be found (and or reached)? As Ive said, the Quran is a "fairy tale". Its useless.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan ( when he reached the setting of the sun ) it means that he reached far west the land . what fairy tale are you talking about
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"what fair tale you talking about"
Fairy tale of the (reachable) place of the setting sun.
"means that he reached far west"
There is no place of the setting sun (to be reached) in the far west. Such place simply does not exist. Dont you get that one? No wonder you prefer to subscribe to fairy tales.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan What ????? He went west . He walked towards the west . He ran towards the west . Such a place doesnot exist you mean that we can't go west.
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
There is no reachable place of the setting Sun in the West. Dont you understand that? Going West and reaching the "Setting Place of the Sun" is obviously a huge difference. Wake up, please...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan you wake up and open your mind !!!!!! Setting of the Sun means West . He reached a place far away in the direction of the west. I hope you understand this time.
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"open your mind"
Your mind seems to have been opened for too long and and it obviously has been infected with faulty memes.
"setting of the sun means west"
Its impossible to reach the setting place of the Sun because such place does not exist. Dont you understand that?
"He reached a place"
No he didnt because such a place does NOT exist.
"hope you understand this time"
Its you who doesnt understand. You cant reach such a "place" because it does NOT exist.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan LOL Man you are so stupid!!!!
It doesn't mean he reach setting place of the sun It means that he reached a place IN THE DIRECTION OF WEST .
LOL man go take lessons in HOW TO BECOME SMARTER.
MrYalabena 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"You are so stupid"
And that comes from a deluded Muhammadan fairy tale lover.
"It means that he reached a place in the direction of west"
Thats something youve invented, since the interpretation is obviously clear (e.g. "he reached the place of the setting sun, he found it setting..."). Indeed, no such place exists.
"become smarter"
Something the Ummah has been lacking for a long time. The trend seems to remain stable. ;-)
Youve been exposed as a crackpot. Good bye! LOL
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@MrYalabena
"finding answers"
Either you are able to demonstrate your claims or you arent. If you arent, then you have no answers at all.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
the GODS(?) are angry!!!!!and all they can do is make it rain!!!!!How pathetic of the gods!!!The rain didnt stop the pilgrimage of 2.5+ million Muslims....We muslims r followers of ONE ALLAH!!!!nd the rain just show our resolve to obey the commands of ONE ALLAH!!!!
ALHAMDULILLAH!!!!!!
Unlike you,We muslims wont let a little rain bother us
sadab100 1 year ago
@sadab100
This "one allah" of yours didnt prevent those angry gods from killing a hundred people. You muslims were allegedly promised by that "one allah" no burden placed on you would be heavier than you could bear.
Something doesnt add up here, does it...
Better ask Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat for forgiveness or one day they will get you, too!
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan You fool. This moon god lie was disproved long ago, before they spread. To bring the argument is really weak and is evidence only of stupidity and helplessness, because even Jesus a.s. says Allah to god! You ignorant moron obsessed Islamophobic! May Allah guide you
hajro1989 1 year ago
@hajro1989
You fool! The moon deities will keep punishing you and the whole Ummah until you accept their sovereignty.
How is some Jesus supposed to support your argument? Think before you spout more nonsense.
You are the one who is suffering a phobia of everything that is unislamic.
Since everything that is unislamic is dominant when compared to Islam, and since key tenets of Islam are not demonstrable, its you who is most likely wrong. Simple logic...
Allah is a scam.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
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sadab100 1 year ago
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@Wrath0fKhan
i dont know what religion u follow...but to tell muslims(who r strictly monotheists) to pray to others beside One GOD is a really really bad joke....
And what do u knw about what is islamic nd unislamic..
sadab100 1 year ago
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alwakry 1 year ago
The Gods not Angry
Because Mecca is located in the heart of the desert
And rain in the desert a great blessing
And find people are happy and smiling
Look how happy they are
alwakry 1 year ago
@alwakry
Yea... Yet you comfortably keep ignoring those who wont smile ever again.
Open your eyes. Wake up.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan
People die all the time....If one dies while performing the hajj then he's indeed a blessed 1....some say if u die while performing the hajj then u go to heaven..but that is not a big issue....more then 2.5 million people perform the hajj each year...its not surprising that some will die...Hajj is dynamic..while on hajj people die, babies r born...Allah test our faith by putting us into difficulties...
sadab100 1 year ago
@sadab100
"people die all the time"
Sure. Yet many deaths are for example preventable by (very) simple means.
"while performing hajj"
Honestly, that sounds like a ridiculous equivocation.
"not surprising that some will die"
No, thats "statistically" (e.g. after smoothing out the data) not surprising at all. What is surprising though, thats those people died in a storm front. Thats not as common at all.
"die/born"
What about their families? What about risk minimizing?
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago