@IceJT15 This could be true, potentially - but if you put yourself in the shoes of an extremist terrorist following a man who has just been killed by your most hated enemy, I'm PRETTY sure you'd be hella pissed - and anger fuels revenge. If Al Qaeda could bring about 9/11 to prove a point, then imagine what they would do for vengeance.
@Zanryu The people here are the kind that kill people over cartoons and burning their books, their anger will never die in a world of free speech and education, They were and always are wishing the downfall of western civilization, any attacks cannot be logically traced back to this event, as its not like the death will create outrage where there was none, the worst Osama's death could do (seeing as how he can hardly be called a martyr) is act as a catalyst to any attack already planned.
@IceJT15 I understand what you're getting at, but there had been no launched attacks directly on the US public for a good while, even if some were planned. The loss of the man they followed for the past decade and then some could be enough to put those plans into action, or spur new plans - or even cause attacks without plans out of sheer desperation. The anger is and was already there, but the death of their symbol can increase what already exists, as with any emotion in any circumstances.
@Zanryu It could, but as I said all it would only be a catalyst, as long as the middle east holds the combination of low education and a violent religion there will always be terrorism, and so nothing changes by killing a figurehead in the long run.
@IceJT15 It's more than just violent religion though - their beliefs are what fueled the urge for terrorist action, but those were headed by Osama - he was the one who made their beliefs reach extremist levels - it's a clusterfuck of different outcomes for similar reasons with different means, there's no way to be sure. I'm leaning towards that there's going to be retaliation for the loss of their leader, that anger will fuel them to react quickly. But then it will become what it was before.
@IceJT15 He interprets Islam in a violent way when he preaches it, however - Islam isn't meant to be destructive or violent - if you say that publicly, you'll be crucified (figuratively) for it. The way Osama preached was in a way to sway those who were already angry at the western world into aggression - and he did so well. He followed the laws of Islam, but he twisted the words of Islam. While it is, in effect, fundamentalist Islam, it is done in a way to promote terrorism.
@Zanryu He interprets the Qur'an as it is written. As long as it exists, people will interpret it that way (and have). I have much more to fear of than being crucified figuratively, as it is much a literal thing to do in in muslim countries for a great many things including blasphemy, apostacy and simply not being a muslim in some cases. Repeating the words written in a book is not and never will be twisting words. Fundamentalist Islam isnt the problem, it is the fundamentals of Islam.
Osama's death got everyone saying that people will get mad, and things'll get worse. I just think they'll stop doing what they did because they don't have to listen to Osama anymore.
@bonestorm99 While I appreciate and respect your opinion, Al Qaeda is not a communist government - it's a terrorist organization. The members of Al Qaeda followed Bin Laden willingly due to their hatred of the US culture, other religions, etc. Bin Laden was the face of their order - and now he's gone. That's bound to lower morale, but it's bound to piss off the extremists - and face it, the majority of Al Qaeda are extremists.
No body cares, just stop it.
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Osama's death changes nothing on either side.
IceJT15 9 months ago
@IceJT15 This could be true, potentially - but if you put yourself in the shoes of an extremist terrorist following a man who has just been killed by your most hated enemy, I'm PRETTY sure you'd be hella pissed - and anger fuels revenge. If Al Qaeda could bring about 9/11 to prove a point, then imagine what they would do for vengeance.
Zanryu 9 months ago
@Zanryu The people here are the kind that kill people over cartoons and burning their books, their anger will never die in a world of free speech and education, They were and always are wishing the downfall of western civilization, any attacks cannot be logically traced back to this event, as its not like the death will create outrage where there was none, the worst Osama's death could do (seeing as how he can hardly be called a martyr) is act as a catalyst to any attack already planned.
IceJT15 9 months ago
@IceJT15 I understand what you're getting at, but there had been no launched attacks directly on the US public for a good while, even if some were planned. The loss of the man they followed for the past decade and then some could be enough to put those plans into action, or spur new plans - or even cause attacks without plans out of sheer desperation. The anger is and was already there, but the death of their symbol can increase what already exists, as with any emotion in any circumstances.
Zanryu 9 months ago
@Zanryu It could, but as I said all it would only be a catalyst, as long as the middle east holds the combination of low education and a violent religion there will always be terrorism, and so nothing changes by killing a figurehead in the long run.
IceJT15 9 months ago
@IceJT15 It's more than just violent religion though - their beliefs are what fueled the urge for terrorist action, but those were headed by Osama - he was the one who made their beliefs reach extremist levels - it's a clusterfuck of different outcomes for similar reasons with different means, there's no way to be sure. I'm leaning towards that there's going to be retaliation for the loss of their leader, that anger will fuel them to react quickly. But then it will become what it was before.
Zanryu 9 months ago
@Zanryu All Osama preaches is fundamentalist Islam. His message is that of Islam.
IceJT15 9 months ago
@IceJT15 He interprets Islam in a violent way when he preaches it, however - Islam isn't meant to be destructive or violent - if you say that publicly, you'll be crucified (figuratively) for it. The way Osama preached was in a way to sway those who were already angry at the western world into aggression - and he did so well. He followed the laws of Islam, but he twisted the words of Islam. While it is, in effect, fundamentalist Islam, it is done in a way to promote terrorism.
Zanryu 9 months ago
@Zanryu He interprets the Qur'an as it is written. As long as it exists, people will interpret it that way (and have). I have much more to fear of than being crucified figuratively, as it is much a literal thing to do in in muslim countries for a great many things including blasphemy, apostacy and simply not being a muslim in some cases. Repeating the words written in a book is not and never will be twisting words. Fundamentalist Islam isnt the problem, it is the fundamentals of Islam.
IceJT15 9 months ago
And I agree with you completely, Zan.
Falcurin 9 months ago
Osama's death got everyone saying that people will get mad, and things'll get worse. I just think they'll stop doing what they did because they don't have to listen to Osama anymore.
bonestorm99 9 months ago
@bonestorm99 While I appreciate and respect your opinion, Al Qaeda is not a communist government - it's a terrorist organization. The members of Al Qaeda followed Bin Laden willingly due to their hatred of the US culture, other religions, etc. Bin Laden was the face of their order - and now he's gone. That's bound to lower morale, but it's bound to piss off the extremists - and face it, the majority of Al Qaeda are extremists.
Zanryu 9 months ago