in my opinion and thats exactly what it is, for a good home defense load get the winchester pdx 12ga or 410. both give the best of both worlds. its what i load out my home and truck shotguns.
Who the fuck says this isn't effective? Sure 75 feet is kinda the mid range for this load, but who the hell want's to get hit with it!?!? It might not be quite as powerful as say 5 or 10 yards, but boy I've seen what it does coming out of my Winchester model 12 and I don't want to be anywhere near it at even 200 yards!
Let's also keep in mind that 25 yards is 75 feet. Now, think about the average length of a hallway in your home. Or, the distance from your front door to the front door of your neighbour across the street. 75 feet is A LOT of distance in an Urban or Suburban environment. For home defence, this does the job and does it well. You will not find a 100 yard clear shot in ANY Urban or Suburban environment. If you do, then you're the aggressor.
Yes...at 25 Yds 00 is reliable... at 50 Yds it is WAY less effective and out at 75 Yds you are lucky to get a hit on a Deer sized target.
Buck is for people who are willing and able to get close....and that takes skill when hunting Deer....Forget about most other big game animals.
00 Is a great Home Defense choice...I have never heard of anyone getting up after taking a load of 00 from 5 -20 ft. (the average Home Defense distances).
20 Ga loaded with 00 will stop damn near anything on 2 legs.
I dissagree with the efectiveness of buckshot. Also depends on the target. If the center of that target was a deers chest cavity, u would have most likely wounded a deer that would have gotten out of tracking range by clotting up due to the small amount of damage, and still died where it would never be found. That my friend make it inneffective
@nssurge u mad bro? Kill who? A kitten? Pellets lose their energy very fast. You CAN hit, but chance to kill or immobilize isn't so high at long distance.
@axgyfire of course it cant its an airgun at 100 yards, a shotgun though the pellets are moving double the velocity and there are 10 times more shot, and they are heavier
@sammspeck - Who's worried about the average person? The average person isn't going to break into my house & try to harm my familly. Now a crazed, desperate, low life criminal hopped up on PCP just might.
00 buckshot isn't a good stopping round!? WHAT!? People say a lot of things . . . People are dumb. That's a nice shot. Good pattern at that distance too. You're shooting 12 pellet 00?
I guess I don't know much about guns since I don't have any video uploads on my youtube account? According to this WatchRyder moron, since I don't have my own uploaded videos on the internet that my decades of shooting, reloading, gunsmithing, and CQC training means nothing until I find the time to record my own videos to post on youtube. Hmmm...maybe I would rather not let everyone see my guns, ever think of that you idiot? I'm not dumb enough to flaunt my firearms and neither should you all.
at close range 10 yards or less any shotgun round will kill becuse most of the shot is going to be in the wad till about 15 yards as long as a few pellets hit the lungs and the chest that guy is going to be dead drop to the floor and pass out affter that about 30 sec later he will bleed to death
a .22 rifle is a poor choice becuse your chance of hitting a target in the middle of the night half naked and sleepy is bad
@MasterBlaster223 thats not really that smart is it? Your trying to shoot an attacker so he can't take whatever from you. Why would you protect material things over your own body.
Try an active hearing protection system as recommend by Mossad Ayoob. Not only will it preserve your hearing, it also amplifies lesser sounds thus actually improving your ability to track a potential assailant.
As for the buckshot vs everything else argument, does it really matter? Nobody wants to get shot, and neither a .22 or buckshot are going to do an attacker any GOOD, are they? To each his own.
@Cooley96 What should someone shoot inside their own house? Shotguns are quieter than handguns (minus the .22LR's) and have drastically more firepower. That's called a win-win. "Yaw must be retarded" for not being able to write a coherent sentence, using the word "yaw", and knowing nothing about guns but still commenting like you know shit.
@Cooley96 Shotguns have relatively long barrels which allows more room for expanding gasses (really depends on load and barrel length). Pistols have short, tight barrels which clearly make for a loud bang. The order of loudness goes .22LR, 12GA, .45ACP, 9mm, and .357 Magnum.
9mm average = 159.8 dB
12ga w/ 28 inch barrel average = 151.5 dB
An extra 10 dB is equivalent to DOUBLING the volume. Fucking idiot. Yes, its spelled fuckin' or fucking, not "fucqin".
@Cosmo1093 iz u tryna b a youtube spelling teacher?, I have a question how old are you?Your a dumb fucq, just retard, have you ever tested all those gun shots you named inside a house? Where did you get those decibal facts from stay here and argue with yourself you already know what would be louder
@Cooley96 Why are you trying so hard to be a ghetto retard on YouTube? Acting like a stupid shit will get you nowhere in life. I'm older than your 14 year ass. I've fired shotguns, handguns, and rifles in indoor shooting ranges. Most handguns ARE louder; shotguns just have a larger felt concussion effect. Google the numbers.
You're fucking 14. You know nothing about firearms or physics. I bet you haven't even shot a gun before. Even suppressed handguns are in the 130-140+ dB range.
@Cosmo1093 since your so intelligent why do you keep replying if your so smart why arent you in college, or work since your so intelligent where do you get your little dB facts hey fag guess what thats just an abbreviation its spelled DECIBEL D-E-C-I-B-E-L you bet I haven't shot a gun before hey retard once again it doesnt take a fucqin genius to figure out a fucqin 28 inch barrel is loud because if you shoot a 8" barrel .44 it hurts your ears make the inference yourself and SHUT THE FUCQ UP!!
@Cooley96 Who said I wasn't in college? Use Google; links can't be posted here. The shorthand "dB" is a generally accepted abbreviation in the scientific community which means its damn good enough for any purpose. According to you, writing CO2 or CO wouldn't be acceptable either and people have to take the space to spell out carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide instead.
I never said 28' barrels aren't loud, just that they're quieter than popular 3-5' barrels. You have no legitimate argument.
A 2 3/4 #7 Dove and Quail round at that range would hurt so damn bad, I doubt anyone would step a foot closer to you. Nevermind the blast. People are people,Not Superman.
I have to disagree with those that think that racking the slide on a shotgun is a good thing for scaring away the bad guy. You have done some very bad things in a fight: (1) You have given away your position, and have become a target. (2) You have given away your capability, and intentions. (3) You have given the bad guy a rush of adrinalin, making him even more difficult to stop. Don't give the bad guy any advantages.
@austenkey "I have to disagree with those that think that racking the slide on a shotgun is a good thing for scaring away the bad guy."
That's a good point. What if the intruder is also armed and not scared away? I have my Mossberg loaded and ready in my closet where I keep valuables, and I think I'd be more likely to survive an encounter with an intruder if I use the element of surprise and just blow him away from out of the darkness than by gambling on scaring him away by racking the gun.
1. You can gain an advantageous position and rack when you have the gun on him. Giving away your position is irrelevant if you already have a superior one.
2. What exactly is exploitable about the capability of a shotgun? It's pretty much the perfect weapon for close quarters.
3. Adrenaline would be a factor if we were talking about handguns. Even with meth/crackheads, a one shot stop is common with a 12 gauge. Put one in his chest cavity and he will crumple, period.
@NekolasM Giving away your position is never irrelevant. If you don't have a round already in the chamber, you are going to have to rack the slide at some point, and when you already have a clear shot is much better than trying to scare someone into compliance. However, remember, if he acts on that sound, action beats reaction every time. Racking the slide takes time, and, if he is ready, he may act before you can decide to shoot. Even with a knife, at close range, he who acts first, wins.
@austenkey Thats why you either keep one in the chamber, or wait till the target is in your sights, trust me, tho I have never shot someone, my 12 gauge will take someone out whether they are on PCP or not. You are the master of your home, you should have training in home defense with your weopon and regaurdless of if they know where you are or not you should know what to do given the situation. Even a knife can be very effective.
@SAMSIZZLE123 I have never shot a human with buckshot either, but I have shot a lot of deer with it. I can verify that a load of buckshot at any range within a home is going to be nasty for the one on the receiving end. I don't use 00 buckshot. I worry too much about my family on the other side of walls. I use #4 buck, which may still be too big, or heavy birdshot. Don't count out a load of birdshot at close range either.
@agreg24 Most 3" 12 gauge 00 buck shells hold 15 pellets per shell. Winchester makes a high velocity 3" 00 buck load that uses 12 pellets but they also make several variations of 3" 00 buck shells that use 15 pellets. Their high velocity, 3" magnum, 00 buck load trades 3 pellets for a (roughly) 200 feet per second velocity gain.
Listen, whatever you want to use for self defense in the home is O.K., it is whatever you prefer, but I know when that perp. hears the racking of that shotgun, he will not stick around to long to find out what he is up against. And if he does he isn't to bright.. I do like my Archangel system for my 10-22, my problem would be what to choose for that purpose, or what's handy at the time.
@MasterBlaster223 Haha you talk like your living in the movies, cocking your gun before you shoot. In my home I keep the 870 loaded with one in the barrel, locked in a safe of course. Is yours a Remington too?
In all honesty, the first gun I grab when I hear strange noises in the middle of the night is my Ruger 10-22 for many reasons. #1-With the right grain ammo it is sure to penetrate a perp #2-Not too high velocity where it may penetrate doors and hurt the innocent and most likely will only stop perp and not kill him so you avoid murder charges. #3-Low muzzle flash won't blind you. #4-Quick change high capacity mags available. #5-It's not as damaging to your hearing indoors. Etc.
@DTOMUSA74 The thing is that .22LR's do have killing power...but not so much stopping power. Given the adrenaline rush or drugs, it won't knock a perp on their ass like a larger hollow-point round would. .22LR's can even have more penetration than larger caliber hollow-points. Many states have the Castle Doctrine, so you should check your state laws. IMO, a .45 with HP rounds and a mounted flashlight is ideal (plus a suppressor if legal). Also, lives should come before hearing.
@WatchRyder You must not be familiar with too many laws are you? Shoot an armed intruder in the leg and handcuff him until the cops show up, only with the best possible DA will turn it on you. Shoot and kill someone armed or not, you will have the whole family of the dead perp. trying to sue you if it's the last thing they do. Trust me, never will an attempted murder charge be more stiff than a murder charge in the same case scenario.
@WatchRyder You must not be familiar with too many laws are you? Shoot an armed intruder in the leg and handcuff him until the cops show up, only with the best possible DA will turn it on you. Shoot and kill someone armed or not, you will have the whole family of the dead perp. trying to sue you if it's the last thing they do. Trust me, never will an attempted murder charge be more stiff than a murder charge in the same case scenario. Read again idiot.
@WatchRyder Don't try to tell me facts when you are obviously unintelligent and misinformed. Regardless of state laws which give different rights to criminals, I made numerous points for my pick of ammunition. Have you ever fired a shotgun at night? There is way too much muzzle flash for your eyes to recover from in a CQ situation. A semi-auto .22 w/25 round mag will tear the hell out of a perp. and will allow you to retain your vision. Handcuffs are for the movies huh? Shows what you know.
Give it rest fanboy, at the end of the day what counts is how you perform and not giving the slime-ball lawyers an excuse to hang you to dry.
You can wax lyrical about .22 this and flash at night that but I can tell you talk real big and act real small.
Maybe when I see some actual uploads on that channel of yours I'll give you respect, at the moment you are nothing but a favourite-adding fanboy who like's his voice too much :D
@WatchRyder Holy shit you're stupid. All you do is make assumptions and prove nothing. So you need me to upload videos of a .22 muzzle flash compared to a 12 gauge for you to understand? Thats what you're saying. My points I made are common sense and the laws I pointed out, I already told you, are different from state to state. I am not a fanboy(whatever that is) and I base all my comments on facts and life experiences. How do you figure this is me talking big but acting small? Tard.
@WatchRyder What you call BS I call facts. Funny how when the arguement came down to straight facts you had nothing to say but personal comments about me when you don't know who I am. My points are undeniable: Laws are different from state to state(fact), muzzle flash from a .22 is less than a 12 gauge(fact), the average .22 holds more rounds than a shotgun(fact), you are an idiot(fact). You could not prove anything I said wrong so you get personal. Real mature kid.
@WatchRyder Just because your state laws regarding self defense are different than mine why do you still think you are right and I'm wrong? I am right according to my state laws and every other point I made defending .22's for home defense are spot on. FYI, I also have home defense guns that are shotguns but the first one I grab when it's pitch black outside is a .22 w/25 round mag. and flashlight. Like I said, ever shoot a shotgun at night? Being temporarily deaf and blind makes you vulnerable
This is why I DON'T use a shotgun in the home. At 75 yards, the pattern is about 18' wide. Now your average house room is 12 x 14 feet. So, if you shoot the gun in your house, your shot pattern before hitting a wall is most likely 3 inches in spread. A shotgun inside a house has no real scatter in it's pattern. Worse, the 00 buck with all that energy will go through walls, first pellets leading the path. Even worse, now the pellets will scatter in all directions like a miniture claymore.
@stevenabb from twelve feet away your shot pattern is deffffinitly going to be more than three inches apart and even if they werent, thats generally why you aim.
a lot of ppl say use a handgun for personal protection cuz the shotgun is "too long to maneuver in a house" and a handgun has less recoil. To this, I laugh my ass off, and feel sorrow for these people when a man with a shotgun enters their house one day and has TRAINED to "maneuver" their gun. You can hit bullseyes with shotguns all day long with that shoulder absorbing recoil vs a wrist.
1 shot of 00 buck is about equal to a 5 round burst of 9mm sub machine gun fire. at close enough range to the upper torso, survival is very slim. It can also shred limbs easily. Thats with just one shell. I would rather be shot 5 times in the chest with an AK-47 at 20 feet than 5 times with a 12 gauge.
If that was an intruder in your house he would be swiss Cheese or if he was closer you could proubaly throw a Soccer ball through him. Needless to say it would let any other Criminal coming to hurt you & your family know If you enter My house your not leaving exept in a bodybag. Gotta love the shotgun 00 buck combo best home defense weapon you can get. If racking it doesnt get them running "say hello to my little friend ! "
you walked that fast to 25 yards? looks about half that distance. did you actually measure the distance or just guess? seems so many shooters think they're farther away from their targets than they really are. i've been guilty too, until i bought a 33 yard tape and started actually measuring my distances.
What Kind of Barrel were you using? I ask Because I have a Mossberg 500 7+1 W/Cylinder Bore. Do you think it would have the same effect at that distance
At least one of those pellets is bound to hit a vital organ if aimed at the chest. And i've seen what this round does to ballistic gel. They go right fuckin' through a thick slab of ballistic gel. Anyone who says this round doesn't have a lot of stopping power is clearly stupid. Even if it hits you in the lung, you'll have a collapsed lung and won't be able to run very far with that. That's why it's used as a hunting round, it'll drop a deer in a second. It's called BUCKSHOT for a reason guys.
@asbestosboy Unless your superman that can repell bullets, I would'nt talk smack about getting shot with 9 .32 cal pellets comming from the business end of a 12 guage shotgun, unless you've seen what kind of bodily damage that can be done when shot at a human being, grow up!!!
@MasterBlaster223 agreed, each pellet size is bigger than a high powered rifle such as the AK-47 7.62x39 however it doesn't have more penetrating power because the arowdynamics of the rifle rounds cuts through alot easier, HOWEVER, that's great news for buckshot becuase it has a better chance of getting stuck and it's a bigger sized round :) plus you can get hit with multiple rounds instead of just one, so yes buckshot is perfect for home defense.
@asbestosboy boy, if you shoot someone with that there are 2 possibilities... 1) if you won't kill the guy you shot he will just pray to die (if you use a cartdrige with thin bullets), cause it would be full of it all over his body, believe me it really hurts! 2) you will blast his head, leaving pieces of it everywhere...
I used to prefer slugs for a longer distance defense scenario...then i realized it's entirely illegal to shoot at someone outside the range of your house. 00 buck it is for now (since no stores sell the preferred #1 buck)
What kind of choke were you using? The next question would be what kind of shells are they? Winchester 00 buck keeps a pretty good pattern out of a cylinder barrel but I've never tried them at that range.
2 3/4'' 00 buck is great for putting someone down. There is a reason that most military's and police agencies use it. Someone said use 3 1/2 they are an idiot. To much recoil and no pros to outwieght that fact. Also it is complete bullshit that 80% of people shot with pistols survive.
@KYLE1630 I don't know about that 80% figure either . . . Maybe it's a bit high but it still seems realistic to me because the fact is that pistol rounds deliver about 1/4 the energy of most rifle rounds and are more survivable for that reason. A .223 caliber rifle delivers a 55 grain bullet at about 3000 feet per second and produces almost 1200 foot pound force. Having said that, the average 9mm is a 115 grain bullet at 1200 fps and produces about 300 foot pound force.
@jrwel14 Well . . . I have some Winchester rifled slugs that are 1 oz. (480 grain) with a muzzle velocity of 1600 fps so I imagine they would have to be pretty close to 3000 fpf. Maybe more reallistically, 2500 actually. My Hornady 225 grain .44 magnum rounds at 1400 fps will hit with just under 1000 fpf. The slug is heavier AND faster so within 50 yards give or take, it will produce more energy and exceed the ballistic performance of most any handgun cartridge. I love shotguns.
@jrwel14 No, a 438Gr slug at 1600 fps has ~2500 ft.lbs
However more recently energy has been dismissed as a means to determine stopping power - it is the size of the wound produced which will dictate how deadly a hit is. The size of the wound varys on a lot more aspects than just simply calibre, but to sum it up: "it is absolutely undeniable that, while a 9mm or .40S&W may or may not expand, a .45 will never shrink."
@machinas5868 I do not care who you are, I would not want to be at the business end of this round, if you've been gone deer hunting and dropped a deer instantly, I think you would change your mind.
@MasterBlaster223 Deer are much wider and have alot more tissue that will be destroyed as opposed to a thin-width person who will not lose as much tissue as a deer to any bullet that penetrates through and through.
Don't get me wrong, 90% of the time this kinda load will stop a man in his tracks, and he will likely die shortly after.
The big controversy with stopping power is around Handgun cartridges and FMJ Rifle cartridges. SP Rifle cartridges and Slugs are very reliable for defense.
@MasterBlaster223 buck shot is horrible for deer hunting, unless you are up close, slugs are much more effective when shotgunning for deer. I prefer a rifle myself.
@machinas5868 Think about it in this standpoint, if someone is trying to hurt/kill you, wouldn't you want have overkill and be SURE that it's effective or would you like to be underpowered and not know if the target is still coming after you? That's just my $0.02
@machinas5868 if you're using a shotgun for self defense then i strongly recommend buckshot. standard game loads, or birdshot are not going to be effective enough, it wont even penetrate a human skull.
@Ronald3570 there is a coconut video the damage looks like bird shot from a 12 gauge they blew the shit out of it they were real close tho. im going to do some coconut test myself ill let you know how thye go
well, lets face it, 12 gauge buckshot isnt ideal for fending off a terrorist invasion. ud prolly want a rifle, but for close up defence a riot shotgun with buckshot is perfect for such a senerio. pistols can be underpowerered, innaccurate, and expensive. i got a mossberg 500 persuader, 250 rounds of bird shot, 25 slugs, a sling, and cleaning kit for $350, works fine.
@arsHW - I was wondering about the 12 pellets.. Most standard 2 3/4 have 9 pellets but the lack of powder explains fitting those 3 extra shot in the round.
What are you, 14? It's obvious from your comment, the videos on your channel and the country that you live in that you've probably never been exposed to real firearms.
Let the adults post, child. Back to your CoD4 cartridge.
why did you say there were 11 pellets on target from 25 yards?.... the most i have seen in ONE 00 buck round is 9 pellets? how many times did you shoot that target?...... i agree 00 buck is the best for hd - "STEVOFXX"-pistols are anemic weapons at best and POOR man st
Thanks for the video. It is somewhat helpful, but it's hard to determine the diameter of the circle. How wide is that circle? Again, many thanks.
wilkbor 4 weeks ago
Only 9 per shot. He must have fired before the vid?
jm357m 1 month ago
What's the barrel length on the shotgun you used?
hunkylynch 1 month ago
When the word "effectiveness" is used, in what application is being referred to? Paper targets, a person, a mountain lion, a bear?
Elul205770 1 month ago
Who's holding the camera? Michael J. Fox?
DjSauc3 2 months ago
@twin1010101010 No one in 2009 had a decent camera -_-
ArmoredStone 2 months ago
in my opinion and thats exactly what it is, for a good home defense load get the winchester pdx 12ga or 410. both give the best of both worlds. its what i load out my home and truck shotguns.
jmgrant2468 2 months ago
what 2 3/4 inch shell holds 11 buckshot pellets ????....Ive never seen or heard of such ammo buddy ...
The33miles 2 months ago
Who the fuck says this isn't effective? Sure 75 feet is kinda the mid range for this load, but who the hell want's to get hit with it!?!? It might not be quite as powerful as say 5 or 10 yards, but boy I've seen what it does coming out of my Winchester model 12 and I don't want to be anywhere near it at even 200 yards!
DBabyNinetyOne91 2 months ago
Let's also keep in mind that 25 yards is 75 feet. Now, think about the average length of a hallway in your home. Or, the distance from your front door to the front door of your neighbour across the street. 75 feet is A LOT of distance in an Urban or Suburban environment. For home defence, this does the job and does it well. You will not find a 100 yard clear shot in ANY Urban or Suburban environment. If you do, then you're the aggressor.
neothespian 2 months ago
I'm curious how is there 11 pellets when the typical 00 buck has only nine?
jmgrant2468 3 months ago 6
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domco2525 3 months ago
@jmgrant2468 exactly !...what brand of ammo were you using that comes precharged with 11 buckshot pellets in a 2/3 size shell ???....
The33miles 2 months ago
Yes...at 25 Yds 00 is reliable... at 50 Yds it is WAY less effective and out at 75 Yds you are lucky to get a hit on a Deer sized target.
Buck is for people who are willing and able to get close....and that takes skill when hunting Deer....Forget about most other big game animals.
00 Is a great Home Defense choice...I have never heard of anyone getting up after taking a load of 00 from 5 -20 ft. (the average Home Defense distances).
20 Ga loaded with 00 will stop damn near anything on 2 legs.
hammerogod 3 months ago
I have always prefered 3" mag 000 buck nickel plated, remington premiers.
red0ubtable 5 months ago
@red0ubtable now were talking
MrClaysta 4 months ago
that dose look alot like a stevens 350.
mikemtz88 5 months ago
I dissagree with the efectiveness of buckshot. Also depends on the target. If the center of that target was a deers chest cavity, u would have most likely wounded a deer that would have gotten out of tracking range by clotting up due to the small amount of damage, and still died where it would never be found. That my friend make it inneffective
zackattack1384 5 months ago
is that a stevens model 350?
stangsaleens7 5 months ago
idk why this is interesting, ive shot deer almost 100 yards away with 00 buck. just get a good choke wtf.
floridabowhunter 6 months ago
@floridabowhunter I don't think it would be very effective. Stopping power must be bad at that range.
SgtZaqq 5 months ago
@SgtZaqq fucking idiot, a shotgun with 00 will kill in a single shot at ranges up to 70 yards, so 3 times this range
nssurge 5 months ago
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SgtZaqq 5 months ago
@nssurge u mad bro? Kill who? A kitten? Pellets lose their energy very fast. You CAN hit, but chance to kill or immobilize isn't so high at long distance.
SgtZaqq 5 months ago
@SgtZaqq nah they would still penetrate skin and flesh pretty deep, buckshot balls are pretty big
nssurge 5 months ago
@nssurge ok then
SgtZaqq 5 months ago
my 12ft/lbs airgun can penetrate a tin at 110 yards and thats an airgun
nssurge 5 months ago
@nssurge can it penetrate a person and kill them in one shot?
axgyfire 2 months ago
@axgyfire of course it cant its an airgun at 100 yards, a shotgun though the pellets are moving double the velocity and there are 10 times more shot, and they are heavier
trust me you dont want to get shot with buckshot
nssurge 2 months ago
@nssurge i know haha that was my point. I got a H&R pardner pump 00 no joke lol.
axgyfire 2 months ago
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@SgtZaqq my 12ft/lbs airgun can penetrate a tin at 110 yards and thats an airgun
nssurge 5 months ago
@SgtZaqq and with a tight choke even further, i still wouldnt shoot a deer with it further than 20 yards, but not becuase it wouldnt kill it
nssurge 5 months ago
...i'm pretty sure any average person is fucking stopping if they're shot with any gun.
sammspeck 6 months ago
@sammspeck - Who's worried about the average person? The average person isn't going to break into my house & try to harm my familly. Now a crazed, desperate, low life criminal hopped up on PCP just might.
amaya1000rr 6 months ago
and most self defense confrontations take place within 6 feet so 2 3/4 00 buckshot will do the job
hamersmith6 7 months ago
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departed402 8 months ago
00 buckshot isn't a good stopping round!? WHAT!? People say a lot of things . . . People are dumb. That's a nice shot. Good pattern at that distance too. You're shooting 12 pellet 00?
misery556 8 months ago
i keep 3 inch 00 buckshot shells in my bitch for home defense.
187SicknesS 9 months ago
I have never heard anyone say that 00 buck was not a good effective round, but then again, I wouldn't hang out with someone that stupid.
oldmoney74 9 months ago 18
all it takes is one of those balls hitting you and your going to have a really bad day
hawkdlb06 9 months ago
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DTOMUSA74 9 months ago
I guess I don't know much about guns since I don't have any video uploads on my youtube account? According to this WatchRyder moron, since I don't have my own uploaded videos on the internet that my decades of shooting, reloading, gunsmithing, and CQC training means nothing until I find the time to record my own videos to post on youtube. Hmmm...maybe I would rather not let everyone see my guns, ever think of that you idiot? I'm not dumb enough to flaunt my firearms and neither should you all.
DTOMUSA74 9 months ago
Federal w/ flight control really helps the shotgun gain some more range also
CPLBSS88 9 months ago
at close range 10 yards or less any shotgun round will kill becuse most of the shot is going to be in the wad till about 15 yards as long as a few pellets hit the lungs and the chest that guy is going to be dead drop to the floor and pass out affter that about 30 sec later he will bleed to death
a .22 rifle is a poor choice becuse your chance of hitting a target in the middle of the night half naked and sleepy is bad
a shotgun no matter how loud is a better choice
camerl2009 10 months ago
What is the brand of shell holder your using on the stock?
gpsupersport 10 months ago
Better to take out your attacker with one shot as opposed to many. Also hearing loss is a lot better than being dead.
MasterBlaster223 11 months ago 4
@MasterBlaster223 thats not really that smart is it? Your trying to shoot an attacker so he can't take whatever from you. Why would you protect material things over your own body.
Cooley96 10 months ago
@MasterBlaster223
Try an active hearing protection system as recommend by Mossad Ayoob. Not only will it preserve your hearing, it also amplifies lesser sounds thus actually improving your ability to track a potential assailant.
As for the buckshot vs everything else argument, does it really matter? Nobody wants to get shot, and neither a .22 or buckshot are going to do an attacker any GOOD, are they? To each his own.
MSM4U2POM 9 months ago
@MasterBlaster223 So you want to presume that they're wrong. Way to doubt yourself buddy!
UberLifeTroll 9 months ago
yaw must be retarded why would you shoot a guage inside your house and blow out your ear drums
Cooley96 11 months ago
@Cooley96 What should someone shoot inside their own house? Shotguns are quieter than handguns (minus the .22LR's) and have drastically more firepower. That's called a win-win. "Yaw must be retarded" for not being able to write a coherent sentence, using the word "yaw", and knowing nothing about guns but still commenting like you know shit.
Cosmo1093 10 months ago
@Cosmo1093 a shotgun is quieter than a pistol? fucqin idiot
Cooley96 10 months ago
@Cooley96 Shotguns have relatively long barrels which allows more room for expanding gasses (really depends on load and barrel length). Pistols have short, tight barrels which clearly make for a loud bang. The order of loudness goes .22LR, 12GA, .45ACP, 9mm, and .357 Magnum.
9mm average = 159.8 dB
12ga w/ 28 inch barrel average = 151.5 dB
An extra 10 dB is equivalent to DOUBLING the volume. Fucking idiot. Yes, its spelled fuckin' or fucking, not "fucqin".
Cosmo1093 10 months ago
@Cosmo1093 iz u tryna b a youtube spelling teacher?, I have a question how old are you?Your a dumb fucq, just retard, have you ever tested all those gun shots you named inside a house? Where did you get those decibal facts from stay here and argue with yourself you already know what would be louder
Cooley96 10 months ago
@Cooley96 Why are you trying so hard to be a ghetto retard on YouTube? Acting like a stupid shit will get you nowhere in life. I'm older than your 14 year ass. I've fired shotguns, handguns, and rifles in indoor shooting ranges. Most handguns ARE louder; shotguns just have a larger felt concussion effect. Google the numbers.
You're fucking 14. You know nothing about firearms or physics. I bet you haven't even shot a gun before. Even suppressed handguns are in the 130-140+ dB range.
Cosmo1093 10 months ago
@Cosmo1093 since your so intelligent why do you keep replying if your so smart why arent you in college, or work since your so intelligent where do you get your little dB facts hey fag guess what thats just an abbreviation its spelled DECIBEL D-E-C-I-B-E-L you bet I haven't shot a gun before hey retard once again it doesnt take a fucqin genius to figure out a fucqin 28 inch barrel is loud because if you shoot a 8" barrel .44 it hurts your ears make the inference yourself and SHUT THE FUCQ UP!!
Cooley96 10 months ago
@Cooley96 Who said I wasn't in college? Use Google; links can't be posted here. The shorthand "dB" is a generally accepted abbreviation in the scientific community which means its damn good enough for any purpose. According to you, writing CO2 or CO wouldn't be acceptable either and people have to take the space to spell out carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide instead.
I never said 28' barrels aren't loud, just that they're quieter than popular 3-5' barrels. You have no legitimate argument.
Cosmo1093 10 months ago
Omfg i just puked a little Get a tripod!
mars91tc 11 months ago
A 2 3/4 #7 Dove and Quail round at that range would hurt so damn bad, I doubt anyone would step a foot closer to you. Nevermind the blast. People are people,Not Superman.
ExtremePeppers 11 months ago
I have to disagree with those that think that racking the slide on a shotgun is a good thing for scaring away the bad guy. You have done some very bad things in a fight: (1) You have given away your position, and have become a target. (2) You have given away your capability, and intentions. (3) You have given the bad guy a rush of adrinalin, making him even more difficult to stop. Don't give the bad guy any advantages.
austenkey 1 year ago
@austenkey "I have to disagree with those that think that racking the slide on a shotgun is a good thing for scaring away the bad guy."
That's a good point. What if the intruder is also armed and not scared away? I have my Mossberg loaded and ready in my closet where I keep valuables, and I think I'd be more likely to survive an encounter with an intruder if I use the element of surprise and just blow him away from out of the darkness than by gambling on scaring him away by racking the gun.
Torgo1969 11 months ago
@austenkey I disagree
1. You can gain an advantageous position and rack when you have the gun on him. Giving away your position is irrelevant if you already have a superior one.
2. What exactly is exploitable about the capability of a shotgun? It's pretty much the perfect weapon for close quarters.
3. Adrenaline would be a factor if we were talking about handguns. Even with meth/crackheads, a one shot stop is common with a 12 gauge. Put one in his chest cavity and he will crumple, period.
NekolasM 10 months ago
@NekolasM Giving away your position is never irrelevant. If you don't have a round already in the chamber, you are going to have to rack the slide at some point, and when you already have a clear shot is much better than trying to scare someone into compliance. However, remember, if he acts on that sound, action beats reaction every time. Racking the slide takes time, and, if he is ready, he may act before you can decide to shoot. Even with a knife, at close range, he who acts first, wins.
austenkey 10 months ago
@austenkey Thats why you either keep one in the chamber, or wait till the target is in your sights, trust me, tho I have never shot someone, my 12 gauge will take someone out whether they are on PCP or not. You are the master of your home, you should have training in home defense with your weopon and regaurdless of if they know where you are or not you should know what to do given the situation. Even a knife can be very effective.
SAMSIZZLE123 10 months ago
@SAMSIZZLE123 I have never shot a human with buckshot either, but I have shot a lot of deer with it. I can verify that a load of buckshot at any range within a home is going to be nasty for the one on the receiving end. I don't use 00 buckshot. I worry too much about my family on the other side of walls. I use #4 buck, which may still be too big, or heavy birdshot. Don't count out a load of birdshot at close range either.
austenkey 10 months ago
damn.... at 25 yards...
BigMaMaDawg 1 year ago
Maybe I missed something here, but how was their 11 hits from a 2&3/4in 00B shell? 2&3/4 00B has 9 pellets, and 3 inch magnum 00B has 12 pellets.
agreg24 1 year ago
@agreg24 Most 3" 12 gauge 00 buck shells hold 15 pellets per shell. Winchester makes a high velocity 3" 00 buck load that uses 12 pellets but they also make several variations of 3" 00 buck shells that use 15 pellets. Their high velocity, 3" magnum, 00 buck load trades 3 pellets for a (roughly) 200 feet per second velocity gain.
GaTiger11 11 months ago
filmed by the cameraman from cloverfield
v8hemiram 1 year ago
Listen, whatever you want to use for self defense in the home is O.K., it is whatever you prefer, but I know when that perp. hears the racking of that shotgun, he will not stick around to long to find out what he is up against. And if he does he isn't to bright.. I do like my Archangel system for my 10-22, my problem would be what to choose for that purpose, or what's handy at the time.
MasterBlaster223 1 year ago
@MasterBlaster223 Haha you talk like your living in the movies, cocking your gun before you shoot. In my home I keep the 870 loaded with one in the barrel, locked in a safe of course. Is yours a Remington too?
TheKaduke 9 months ago
In all honesty, the first gun I grab when I hear strange noises in the middle of the night is my Ruger 10-22 for many reasons. #1-With the right grain ammo it is sure to penetrate a perp #2-Not too high velocity where it may penetrate doors and hurt the innocent and most likely will only stop perp and not kill him so you avoid murder charges. #3-Low muzzle flash won't blind you. #4-Quick change high capacity mags available. #5-It's not as damaging to your hearing indoors. Etc.
DTOMUSA74 1 year ago
@DTOMUSA74 The thing is that .22LR's do have killing power...but not so much stopping power. Given the adrenaline rush or drugs, it won't knock a perp on their ass like a larger hollow-point round would. .22LR's can even have more penetration than larger caliber hollow-points. Many states have the Castle Doctrine, so you should check your state laws. IMO, a .45 with HP rounds and a mounted flashlight is ideal (plus a suppressor if legal). Also, lives should come before hearing.
Cosmo1093 10 months ago
@DTOMUSA74
Ideally there is a strong consensus that a wounded perp will sue your ass in court for damages.
A dead perp can't sue you for all your worth...
WatchRyder 10 months ago
@WatchRyder You must not be familiar with too many laws are you? Shoot an armed intruder in the leg and handcuff him until the cops show up, only with the best possible DA will turn it on you. Shoot and kill someone armed or not, you will have the whole family of the dead perp. trying to sue you if it's the last thing they do. Trust me, never will an attempted murder charge be more stiff than a murder charge in the same case scenario.
DTOMUSA74 10 months ago
@WatchRyder I still had four other good points made regardless of your state laws against killing armed intruders.
DTOMUSA74 10 months ago
@DTOMUSA74
So?
Do you want a medal or something?
Get with the groove man
WatchRyder 10 months ago
@WatchRyder You must not be familiar with too many laws are you? Shoot an armed intruder in the leg and handcuff him until the cops show up, only with the best possible DA will turn it on you. Shoot and kill someone armed or not, you will have the whole family of the dead perp. trying to sue you if it's the last thing they do. Trust me, never will an attempted murder charge be more stiff than a murder charge in the same case scenario. Read again idiot.
DTOMUSA74 10 months ago
@DTOMUSA74
Read mine again also Mr Idiot.
A dead perp shows fear of life and defence.
A wounded one can argue he was no threat!
This is a fact.
The dead perp's family haven't got a leg to stand on.
Don't be such a hero with the whole handcuff and wait bs. That's strictly for the movies.
WatchRyder 10 months ago
@WatchRyder Don't try to tell me facts when you are obviously unintelligent and misinformed. Regardless of state laws which give different rights to criminals, I made numerous points for my pick of ammunition. Have you ever fired a shotgun at night? There is way too much muzzle flash for your eyes to recover from in a CQ situation. A semi-auto .22 w/25 round mag will tear the hell out of a perp. and will allow you to retain your vision. Handcuffs are for the movies huh? Shows what you know.
DTOMUSA74 10 months ago
@DTOMUSA74
Give it rest fanboy, at the end of the day what counts is how you perform and not giving the slime-ball lawyers an excuse to hang you to dry.
You can wax lyrical about .22 this and flash at night that but I can tell you talk real big and act real small.
Maybe when I see some actual uploads on that channel of yours I'll give you respect, at the moment you are nothing but a favourite-adding fanboy who like's his voice too much :D
WatchRyder 9 months ago
@WatchRyder Holy shit you're stupid. All you do is make assumptions and prove nothing. So you need me to upload videos of a .22 muzzle flash compared to a 12 gauge for you to understand? Thats what you're saying. My points I made are common sense and the laws I pointed out, I already told you, are different from state to state. I am not a fanboy(whatever that is) and I base all my comments on facts and life experiences. How do you figure this is me talking big but acting small? Tard.
DTOMUSA74 9 months ago
@DTOMUSA74
Oh STFU and put a lid on it, boy you really are a blow-hard fuckwit of the lowest order.
Give it rest.
Fck it, I'm blocking you, I've wasted enough energy on your bs...
WatchRyder 9 months ago
@WatchRyder What you call BS I call facts. Funny how when the arguement came down to straight facts you had nothing to say but personal comments about me when you don't know who I am. My points are undeniable: Laws are different from state to state(fact), muzzle flash from a .22 is less than a 12 gauge(fact), the average .22 holds more rounds than a shotgun(fact), you are an idiot(fact). You could not prove anything I said wrong so you get personal. Real mature kid.
DTOMUSA74 9 months ago
@WatchRyder Just because your state laws regarding self defense are different than mine why do you still think you are right and I'm wrong? I am right according to my state laws and every other point I made defending .22's for home defense are spot on. FYI, I also have home defense guns that are shotguns but the first one I grab when it's pitch black outside is a .22 w/25 round mag. and flashlight. Like I said, ever shoot a shotgun at night? Being temporarily deaf and blind makes you vulnerable
DTOMUSA74 9 months ago
This is why I DON'T use a shotgun in the home. At 75 yards, the pattern is about 18' wide. Now your average house room is 12 x 14 feet. So, if you shoot the gun in your house, your shot pattern before hitting a wall is most likely 3 inches in spread. A shotgun inside a house has no real scatter in it's pattern. Worse, the 00 buck with all that energy will go through walls, first pellets leading the path. Even worse, now the pellets will scatter in all directions like a miniture claymore.
stevenabb 1 year ago
@stevenabb - Opss.. 25 yards, not 75 yards, typo.
stevenabb 1 year ago
@stevenabb from twelve feet away your shot pattern is deffffinitly going to be more than three inches apart and even if they werent, thats generally why you aim.
sk8terfreak33 1 year ago
The people that say 00 is not a good stopping round at 25 yards play too much Call of Duty…..
Derail07 1 year ago 36
@Derail07 Yeah, those developers are doing a huge discredit to those poor kids.
departed402 8 months ago
@departed402 - I got a video on my page to prove it too "Punkn Chunk"
Derail07 8 months ago
@Derail07 buck under 30 is DEVESTATING
Alldickedup 7 months ago
How big was that target? 8.5x11?
Super043 1 year ago
Thought 2 3/4" 00 buck was 9 pellets, how did he get 11 on target?
Bbkflys 1 year ago
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truegrit379 1 year ago
@Bbkflys 3'' 00 buck is 15 pellets. Perhaps he was using those instead? I'm not sure.
truegrit379 1 year ago
@Bbkflys thats what im saying??
DarkGlockAssassin 1 year ago
a lot of ppl say use a handgun for personal protection cuz the shotgun is "too long to maneuver in a house" and a handgun has less recoil. To this, I laugh my ass off, and feel sorrow for these people when a man with a shotgun enters their house one day and has TRAINED to "maneuver" their gun. You can hit bullseyes with shotguns all day long with that shoulder absorbing recoil vs a wrist.
RRViper800TT 1 year ago
1 shot of 00 buck is about equal to a 5 round burst of 9mm sub machine gun fire. at close enough range to the upper torso, survival is very slim. It can also shred limbs easily. Thats with just one shell. I would rather be shot 5 times in the chest with an AK-47 at 20 feet than 5 times with a 12 gauge.
sunandmoon111 1 year ago
A single shot .22 rifle in the right hands can be effective. However, a 12g shotgun loaded with 00Buck in just about anyones hands is DEVASTATING!!!
amaya1000rr 1 year ago 22
@amaya1000rr
i can vouch for that!!! =D
aa2398a 6 months ago
is that OO buck or OOO buckshot? most OO buckshot only has 9 pellets right?!
jimbob19795 1 year ago
@jimbob19795 true i believe it is a 000 buck you got there
ftman390 1 year ago
i use #4 buck cuz thats what cops use
garrettzkool63 1 year ago
What brand of shotgun shells are thoes
MILLATERYBOY 1 year ago
is that a 20 inch barrel?
scopenhouse 1 year ago
If that was an intruder in your house he would be swiss Cheese or if he was closer you could proubaly throw a Soccer ball through him. Needless to say it would let any other Criminal coming to hurt you & your family know If you enter My house your not leaving exept in a bodybag. Gotta love the shotgun 00 buck combo best home defense weapon you can get. If racking it doesnt get them running "say hello to my little friend ! "
coolvideo28 1 year ago
i own one of these chinese ithaca copies and the gun is indestructible i shoot 2 3/4" 000 10 pellet reloads in it. awesome gun.
jagrench62 1 year ago
whos says 00 buck isnt effective??
lobo9er 1 year ago
you walked that fast to 25 yards? looks about half that distance. did you actually measure the distance or just guess? seems so many shooters think they're farther away from their targets than they really are. i've been guilty too, until i bought a 33 yard tape and started actually measuring my distances.
desirefirst 1 year ago
@desirefirst I didnt think he walked there that fast. If you watch the timer, it took him about 20 seconds to get there.
clewi1091 1 year ago
any projectiles are dangerous, even the .22
SuperDwang 1 year ago
What Kind of Barrel were you using? I ask Because I have a Mossberg 500 7+1 W/Cylinder Bore. Do you think it would have the same effect at that distance
tacticoolness 1 year ago
Is their a difference between the 12 gauge 00 buckshot and the vital buckshot 00 buck same caliber your useing???
mrez1991 1 year ago
Who in the world would ever dispute the effectiveness of 00 buck as a man stopper?
VHOBSESSED78 1 year ago
@VHOBSESSED78 yea thats wut i was thinking.
LateKnight347 1 year ago
At least one of those pellets is bound to hit a vital organ if aimed at the chest. And i've seen what this round does to ballistic gel. They go right fuckin' through a thick slab of ballistic gel. Anyone who says this round doesn't have a lot of stopping power is clearly stupid. Even if it hits you in the lung, you'll have a collapsed lung and won't be able to run very far with that. That's why it's used as a hunting round, it'll drop a deer in a second. It's called BUCKSHOT for a reason guys.
squishyblanket 1 year ago
Oh yea its still is but closer you get to your target the more devastating
Chinunit22 1 year ago
All this proves is that it's effective as long as you're being attacked by a target.
asbestosboy 1 year ago
@asbestosboy Unless your superman that can repell bullets, I would'nt talk smack about getting shot with 9 .32 cal pellets comming from the business end of a 12 guage shotgun, unless you've seen what kind of bodily damage that can be done when shot at a human being, grow up!!!
MasterBlaster223 1 year ago 26
@MasterBlaster223 agreed, each pellet size is bigger than a high powered rifle such as the AK-47 7.62x39 however it doesn't have more penetrating power because the arowdynamics of the rifle rounds cuts through alot easier, HOWEVER, that's great news for buckshot becuase it has a better chance of getting stuck and it's a bigger sized round :) plus you can get hit with multiple rounds instead of just one, so yes buckshot is perfect for home defense.
jake51515 1 year ago
@asbestosboy boy, if you shoot someone with that there are 2 possibilities... 1) if you won't kill the guy you shot he will just pray to die (if you use a cartdrige with thin bullets), cause it would be full of it all over his body, believe me it really hurts! 2) you will blast his head, leaving pieces of it everywhere...
Velaoverclocking 1 year ago
@asbestosboy lol your just talkin smack because you cant handle a 12g kick
ibanezkid07 1 year ago
I used to prefer slugs for a longer distance defense scenario...then i realized it's entirely illegal to shoot at someone outside the range of your house. 00 buck it is for now (since no stores sell the preferred #1 buck)
RRViper800TT 1 year ago
Hey, two things.
What kind of shotgun were you using? Looks like an Ithaca M37, or a BPS?
Also, what kind of choke were you using (if it wasn't a fixed cylinder choke)?
ZeroVersionTwo 1 year ago
how many pellets?
OneFabFisher 1 year ago
i agree with you master blaster a point well proved shot guns are the best
xELxDlABLOx 1 year ago
What kind of choke were you using? The next question would be what kind of shells are they? Winchester 00 buck keeps a pretty good pattern out of a cylinder barrel but I've never tried them at that range.
kde92 1 year ago
2 3/4'' 00 buck is great for putting someone down. There is a reason that most military's and police agencies use it. Someone said use 3 1/2 they are an idiot. To much recoil and no pros to outwieght that fact. Also it is complete bullshit that 80% of people shot with pistols survive.
KYLE1630 1 year ago
@KYLE1630 I don't know about that 80% figure either . . . Maybe it's a bit high but it still seems realistic to me because the fact is that pistol rounds deliver about 1/4 the energy of most rifle rounds and are more survivable for that reason. A .223 caliber rifle delivers a 55 grain bullet at about 3000 feet per second and produces almost 1200 foot pound force. Having said that, the average 9mm is a 115 grain bullet at 1200 fps and produces about 300 foot pound force.
kde92 1 year ago
@kde92 If a 9mm has 300 foot pounds force. Then, what does a 12 Ga slug have? 3000?
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 Well . . . I have some Winchester rifled slugs that are 1 oz. (480 grain) with a muzzle velocity of 1600 fps so I imagine they would have to be pretty close to 3000 fpf. Maybe more reallistically, 2500 actually. My Hornady 225 grain .44 magnum rounds at 1400 fps will hit with just under 1000 fpf. The slug is heavier AND faster so within 50 yards give or take, it will produce more energy and exceed the ballistic performance of most any handgun cartridge. I love shotguns.
kde92 1 year ago
@jrwel14 No, a 438Gr slug at 1600 fps has ~2500 ft.lbs
However more recently energy has been dismissed as a means to determine stopping power - it is the size of the wound produced which will dictate how deadly a hit is. The size of the wound varys on a lot more aspects than just simply calibre, but to sum it up: "it is absolutely undeniable that, while a 9mm or .40S&W may or may not expand, a .45 will never shrink."
panzerjager1943 1 year ago
Not a good stopping round? Assuming that its for defensive use I hear a lot of people say its overkill.
machinas5868 1 year ago 7
@machinas5868 I do not care who you are, I would not want to be at the business end of this round, if you've been gone deer hunting and dropped a deer instantly, I think you would change your mind.
MasterBlaster223 1 year ago
@MasterBlaster223 Did I say something to imply that its a weak round?
machinas5868 1 year ago 2
@MasterBlaster223 Deer are much wider and have alot more tissue that will be destroyed as opposed to a thin-width person who will not lose as much tissue as a deer to any bullet that penetrates through and through.
Don't get me wrong, 90% of the time this kinda load will stop a man in his tracks, and he will likely die shortly after.
The big controversy with stopping power is around Handgun cartridges and FMJ Rifle cartridges. SP Rifle cartridges and Slugs are very reliable for defense.
panzerjager1943 1 year ago
@MasterBlaster223 buck shot is horrible for deer hunting, unless you are up close, slugs are much more effective when shotgunning for deer. I prefer a rifle myself.
Ktriangleq 1 year ago
@machinas5868 Not overkill when you are defending your life or the life of a loved one, is it?
Lowlypeon 1 year ago
@machinas5868 Think about it in this standpoint, if someone is trying to hurt/kill you, wouldn't you want have overkill and be SURE that it's effective or would you like to be underpowered and not know if the target is still coming after you? That's just my $0.02
masentka 1 year ago
@machinas5868 if you're using a shotgun for self defense then i strongly recommend buckshot. standard game loads, or birdshot are not going to be effective enough, it wont even penetrate a human skull.
Ronald3570 1 year ago
@Ronald3570 i would bet $ that most 12 gauge rounds would penetrate the skull at close range. 00 buck is the best combat round tho
LateKnight347 1 year ago
@LateKnight347 dick cheney shot a guy in the face with birdshot and the guy survived. it didnt penetrate his skull.
Ronald3570 1 year ago
@Ronald3570 bird shot will go though plywood @ 10 yards. your going to be closer than that in a house
LateKnight347 1 year ago
@LateKnight347 plywood isnt even fucking close to the hardness of a human skull.
Ronald3570 1 year ago
@Ronald3570 there is a coconut video the damage looks like bird shot from a 12 gauge they blew the shit out of it they were real close tho. im going to do some coconut test myself ill let you know how thye go
LateKnight347 1 year ago
@LateKnight347 it was most likely buckshot, but i have no objections to you doing a test video of it.
birdshot is definitely lethal, im not disputing that. but its not recommended for use against a human.
Ronald3570 1 year ago
IS #00 the most common size for 12 gauge?
FeelFree3 1 year ago
@FeelFree3 yes, it is
MasterBlaster223 1 year ago
@FeelFree3 only if your talking about buckshot. bird shot is usually much smaller. smaller than bbs in a BB gun
mtl2345 1 year ago
@FeelFree3 I don't believe so, more like #7 1/2 or 6 usually around my neck of the woods. With quite a bit of #4
vkelsov 1 year ago
Probably Sellier & Bellot - I think they have 11 or 12 pellets.
sudaev 1 year ago
well, lets face it, 12 gauge buckshot isnt ideal for fending off a terrorist invasion. ud prolly want a rifle, but for close up defence a riot shotgun with buckshot is perfect for such a senerio. pistols can be underpowerered, innaccurate, and expensive. i got a mossberg 500 persuader, 250 rounds of bird shot, 25 slugs, a sling, and cleaning kit for $350, works fine.
tonythedemocrat1 1 year ago
wht kind of shotgun is tht im havin trouble finbing a good left handed shotgun
paintbaler94 1 year ago
@paintbaler94 mossbergs are ambidextrous
garrettzkool63 1 year ago
Why does your 00 2 3/4 have 11 pellets? I think your using #1 buck...
nowthisisstupid 1 year ago
11 pellets? My 2 3/4 buckshot only has 9 pellets in it. Where did the other two come from?
kckevincook 1 year ago
@kckevincook:
My dad used to have some 2 3/4" 00 Buck with 12 pellets. Less [powder is why they could fit them in there.
arsHW 1 year ago
@arsHW - I was wondering about the 12 pellets.. Most standard 2 3/4 have 9 pellets but the lack of powder explains fitting those 3 extra shot in the round.
mixwell1983 1 year ago
pfffft 2 3/4" use some 3 1/2 "
poiuytrewqx2 2 years ago
@poiuytrewqx2 , its not the size of the round it's how you place it
MasterBlaster223 2 years ago
@MasterBlaster223:
...Said the guy who only has a .17 cal. =D
arsHW 1 year ago
@poiuytrewqx2 u dont think 2 3/4 will kill someone?
deadtofall666 1 year ago
@poiuytrewqx2
What are you, 14? It's obvious from your comment, the videos on your channel and the country that you live in that you've probably never been exposed to real firearms.
Let the adults post, child. Back to your CoD4 cartridge.
USAon3 1 year ago
All depends on what CHOKE you have.
bidea117 2 years ago 2
wow thats sweet
CourageousM 2 years ago
3 1/2 inch copperplated 00 buckshot is best
emphy07 2 years ago
CORRECTION, my last comment was directed at LEXMARK136 ---- not steveofxx
sorry for the confusion
bestbod85 2 years ago
why did you say there were 11 pellets on target from 25 yards?.... the most i have seen in ONE 00 buck round is 9 pellets? how many times did you shoot that target?...... i agree 00 buck is the best for hd - "STEVOFXX"-pistols are anemic weapons at best and POOR man st